Ever since I started playing killer, I was paranoid that I would be the killer in a survivors video. Then I saw this video pop up on my feed, and I thought it was interesting. Then, when the gameplay started, I thought, hmm I played a fake totem build on trapper..... on Eyrie..... with the new skin...... WAIT, THAT'S ME!!! Thankfully, it was for an educational video and not a noob killer compilation. GGs great vid! 👍
OMG! That's so wild! Your build was so fun and a nice break from the typical meta builds you see all the time! Really creative build and a great game. You played so well and knew exactly how to push me towards dead zones. Great match! Thank you so much for commenting!
0:56 I’ve been playing this game since 2017 and I didn’t know that the killer doesn’t get a notification if they are further than 48 metres I thought the killer gets notification if someone did the fast vault no matter what distance
It wasn't always that way (killers getting a notification if someone rush vaults only if they are within 40m). They changed it since some survivors would BM in endgame and people found it annoying, or to start chase with a killer early. I don't know when they changed it since I didn't play during that time but did play before and after the change.
Well argued, and you make some good points. The only piece of your position I’d take issue with is that you didn’t mention that Undying provides aura reading to the killer. I take out even dull totems when I see Undying, because I don’t want the killer having that much intel on my team.
I don't think it's worth it most of the time. The range is only 4 meters around the totens and they mostly spawn in hidden places. So it doesn't cause much damage unless it's positioned inside a loop.
I think a lot of experienced players go “hmm what if my team can’t keep up with xyz” and I don’t like having that mindset, but sometimes taking precautions does help, so I sort of judge those decisions by how the game is going and how my teammates are playing
I feel like this is terrible advice, I'm a killer main and I would love if survivors left totems alone, because it would only benefit me most of the time. There's not really a way of telling that it's Devour until the third stack, and at that point it is basically too late for survivors. Plaything is a terrible perk to get stuck with as survivor, I'd much rather be able to deal with the terror radius and then Pentimento if the killer is also running that, instead of obliviousness. If they activate Pentimento after you cleanse Plaything, you already know where the Pentimento totem is, so it's not that much of a hindrance. Cleanse the totems guys, it's more worth it in the long run.
@@sonicboy5 it is better for survivors to do side objectives, but DbD needs more execution/implementation of side objectives. Not challenge/optional ones, probably ones that are necessary, or necessary some of the match. Like needing gas for a few generators at random, maybe 3 or so that need gas in a map.
If you happen to spawn on the totem or see it on your way to a gen, nobody's in chase, and it isn't ruin then it's probably safe to cleanse it. If it's Thrill, or Retribution then the survivor can just ignore it. If it's Devour, then they've eliminated it before the killer can snowball. If it's Haunted, then everyone just hides until the exposed wears off.
Had that thing happen yesterday. Spawned on Auto Heaven with a Hex right in front of me. The Trickster camped the whole team in basement, just because he lost his Crowd Control Hex 30s into the game.😂 How bitter some killers can be, just because it is a Hex, even if that Hex isn't really that strong (except for shack).
the cleansing of totems is a random gamble until you confirm what effects it has. doesn’t mean you should leave them there and risk GIVING the killer value and reasons to patrol the totem.
He means that you could spawn in front of ruin,but you wanted to check the effect,so killer now protects the tomem,while other person cleansed totem before killer could check it@@ShadyzReal
I had my fastest 4k ever with a full hex build on Spirit one time. I had Haunted, Undying, Retribution and Devour. Ended up getting a 4k in 3:18 seconds. I got #16 in the world without even trying, it was crazy and proof that hex builds can be either nuts or do nothing. I got very lucky.
I have to disagree. BUT: Most of the arguments made are valid in my opinion, if the question is changed from "What Hexes should be cleansed" to "What Hexes should be looked for". Because if I see a Hex, i will always cleanse it, unless I have a feeling of Haunted Ground or sometimes against Pentimento. If you already found the totem, you may as well cleanse it. The time spent is very little, and even in the very rare case of it being Haunted Ground, it usually doesn't lose you the game, it's rather a minor inconvenience. If you don't cleanse the Hex immediately you risk that the Killer gets an insta down with Devour Hope for example. But if you notice a Hex is in play but didn't find the totem yet, most of your arguments can be used for figuring out if the totem is worth looking for. There are some I don't agree with, for example i think that Plaything is something worth cleansing in certain scenarios. If you play against a Bubba on Lèry's for instance you should cleanse Plaything even if you know they have Pentimento. Similarly there are Hexes you stated as "cleanse worthy" I personally wouldn't bother looking for such as Crowd Control. In general very solid argumentation tho. Kudos
I play both survivor and killer…. It’s kind of counterintuitive to what you’re saying, and after naming all the perks, you essentially said it’s smart to cleanse 85% of them or so. As a killer, getting rid of 1, or 2 hex, you left me with 2 perks left.. huge disadvantage on killers who need Hexes. As a survivor, it’s all about efficiency. If you see a hex, it is 9/10 a reasonably smart thing to remove it. The cons outweigh the pros if you don’t. Sure, it’s smart to deduce it, but the problem here is depending on what everyone else is doing is what makes it worth or not… if it’s a SWFT, then great, you can work… but if it’s not, people don’t take queues from the game… thus making everything inefficient.
Retribution is never ran on its own. It has excellent synergy with Plaything and Pento, and or Undying with probably Ruin. Frankly any hex, that is its design! Be watchful! Watchful like Mish! Hit that Like and Subscribe!
You neglected Retribution's second effect: when it's cleansed Survivor auras are revealed mapwide, which is probably the more pressing reason to not cleanse it.
They changed undying a long time ago to make sure it doesn't give 2 huanted ground effects. Now, no matter what totem gets cleansed, undying will always be the first to deactivate, instead of transfering the hex that got cleansed to the undying totem like it used to do when undying was released. this also protects stacks for other totems like devour. That way, huanted grounds doesn't get cleansed twice.
Haunted Grounds still gets cleansed twice. If you cleanse a haunted grounds it will transfer to the Undying totem and if you cleanse the other it activates again
@Sheer_Force I stand corrected. I went and tested it against bots, and yes, it does transfer. I know at one point they changed it, though, so that it wouldn't do that. I used to run this combo back when it first came out, and then it stopped working, so I quit using it.
Undying, ruin, pentimento, and whatever pinheads hex is again. Strongest hex build. Especially good on killers that can slow the game with other items that survivors have to interact with like trapper, plague, unknown, etc.
IF IT GLOWS IT GOES! the only exception to this is if the killer is running hex plaything. most of the time i've noticed that players who use this perk are also running pentimento now days a build popularized by certain content creators. at this time its probably better to try and avoid being hooked and if you are don't cleanse just do gens and stay on the lookout as you will not be able to hear the killer if you're cleansing plaything it just gives the killer more stacks of pentimento and you will have to waste more time cleansing that as well as doing gens. not worth it.
I partially agree with you and really appreciate the info in this vid, but in my opinion it's still more often than not worth cleansing if you don't know what the hex is, especially if you suspect they might be counting on NOED in the end game (as it cuts down on the area you'd need to search to find it). The potential benefit of cleansing usually outweighs the time spent to cleanse it, and if it's not worth it then it's usually pretty obvious based on what other perks you notice/didn't notice. Also 2.5k hours in + watching a ridiculous amount of DBD content and this was the first time I heard anyone mention the fast vault notification range was 48 meters, so thanks for that as well!
You can literally cleanse any totem at any time as long as you make sure your protecting the teammate being chased from haunted ground by waiting until they get injured before you start the cleanse
As a killer main, if you sonehow identify and find Devour (and likely Undying) early, save it. If you can time it right (theough comms or the likes) it's REALLY funny to let them have three stacks, and JUST BEFORE they get the insta-down, you cleanse it. Every time I see this happen and they just run off instead of going down, I laugh so hard that I choke. Even funnier if it's right before I can mori someone I've downed. It goes from this excited high moment of, "YES! YES!" to just, "oh."
Yeah the build the trapper had is my go to on blight. I call it my "dont touch my totems build" for the exact purpose of either benefiting smart players or punishment for the "it glows it gos" playstyle
I will always do Lullaby if it's that. Without doing the hex the game is so stressful for me. I'd rather lose a minute getting the hex and have a fun game instead of sweating it and still losing anyway
Even though hex builds aren't super popular anymore, i use hex builds so often. Not every killer is good with hexes, but it's so worth trying. I very often just bring hex third seal with all killers at least because of the windows of opportunity players currently
that build is so fun. you mess with survivors thinking its something important but once you play with a SWF they wont really do them. Thats why you can add devour hope lol, it becomes op
Since the worst hex totem effect you can get after cleansing is exposed from Haunted Grounds I'd say it's better to just cleans it and get exposed for 60s instead of the killer patrolling it with Devour
if it glows, it goes. Imo, its good to just get the totem out of the way. Why wait to suffer the consequences of a totem before getting rid of it? If you wait, youre just giving the killer more time to get value out of the hex perk, which you dont want. There are 15 hex perks and only 2 that actually punish you from doing totems: Pentimento, and haunted ground. Pentimento gets increasingly worse the more totems you do, but just memorize where you cleansed the totem, and go back and remove pentimento totem. Haunted ground provides an insta down for 60 seconds to any surv they m1, just try to do the totem when someone's not in chase, if they are, let teammate know. If solo queue, sorry random teammate. Then just hide for 1 minute. Killer cant get value if they cant find you. You dont want to give killer a chance to end a chase quickly because you left blood favor or crowd control up. You dont want killer to get pressure with Ruin, and devour. and you dont want to screw over teammates by not getting rid of their Plaything totem or getting rid of hex the third seal for aura reading perks. There's way more up sides to just getting rid of the hex as quickly as possible, than leaving it to linger. there's a six percent chance of it being haunted ground. Not to mention that if theyre running a hex perk, undying is fairly common to run with a hex perk, so youd have to do two totems anyways. If you can identify it, great, its no longer a gamble and you can plan ahead easier. But if you dont know, just have plans to play safe after doing it. Cleanse hexes when you find them!
As a killer who uses hex builds often specifically plaything and pentimento; I can say she isn't wrong about waiting to cleanse hexes that won't hurt you, also I only use plaything on killers who move quickly so hearing their radius is imperative if you can't loop well. The value in pentimento isn't in the first 2-3 gens because you need people to cleanse and forget where it was, you want to wait until the survivors confidence is up and then start to brake it with pentimento. Keep people wounded after your second stack of pent they will waste a ton of time healing or ideally looking for totems. You have to tread a fine line with hexes, if you are running pentimento you really want to maintain control, it does nothing if they know you can't beat them in chase.
I always cleanse a hex perk. Why? If its undying thats 1 perk down, if not its still a perk down. Worst case scenario its haunted and you hide for a few seconds to wait out the exposed. If the killer having less perks helps me survive ima do it. I've had killer just instantly dc because I instantly get rid of their hex totems.
@@That_0ne_Dev ya it’s not fun when you spawn 5 feet from a hex totem literally in plain view and both your hex and undying are gone within the first 30 seconds.
I had a trickster basement camp me, because I cleansed his Crowd Control Hex 30s into the game, because it spawned right next to me😂. Seems that he was bitter enough to punsih my team for something we couldn't controll😂.
I had survivors come up to me many times wanting to heal me shortly after we got a hex devour-hope reveal, it’s crazy how clueless people are when it comes to hexes, and nobody even tries to cleanse it except for me
I run this build all the time on slinger with one single alteration. Devour hope. If they cleanse the totems I have retribution + haunted to get a few downs then undying to do it again. If they don't well, let's just say they don't make it out alive...
Main lesson - try to figure out what the Hex is before just default cleansing. I've ran a full hex build before and sometimes it makes it very confusing for survivors as to whether it's beneficial to cleanse or not. I was running Hex Third Seal combined with the blindness add-ons for Pig which was a very nasty build because they had to not only focus on their beartraps every time they popped a gen but also set time aside to cleanse my Hex 😁
Really informative video on hex perks and how to identify them but I do disagree with the cautionary approach to cleansing. The video showcasing that killers hex perks is not really a decent example either as I would consider that to be something of a meme build and you'll never typically run into anyone running that in 99% of your games. As someone who has played against and with full hex builds a lot the chances of devour hope are high enough that you should just expect it in the first place if you notice more than one glowing hex. In such a situation you will want to jump onto hexes immediately to wipe out Undying and possibly huanted ground if you are unlucky as quickly as possible. On both sides I have seen so many times an effort to get rid of devour hope once it's revealed at 3 stacks with a 4th already on hook but by then it's already way too late on the survivor side to recover the match typically. Especially if its a high mobility killer. However If you've already wiped out devour hope and there's still some glowing totems left then you can maybe leave it expecting it to be haunted ground or something
honestly with how few hexes are not worth/bad to cleanse and how difficult it can be to identify which they have it's better to just get it cleansed if you see it.
"Huntress Lullaby: I just pay attention" Do you run Hyperfocus for that same reason? Ever go against it drunk? lol I've quit drinking, but I could do without Hex: Lullaby, and I like the points it gives
Very good video! Worth noting that NOED actually gives a whopping 6% haste bonus at tier 3, but I learned a lot about how I should be playing survivor!
Unless retribution has been changed it also gives wall hacks for a short time after ANY totem is cleansed if you pair it with haunted grounds and undying you get wall hacks and one shots everytime they cleanse have fun with that
You must be new to DBD, veteran players have always had the unwritten rule, "If it glows, it goes." If you get wrecked by haunted ground, then you got jipped by a rando, or you didn't communciate well enough. All else, you're just trying to be pittied. As a killer main, even I know this.
over 1k survivor hours here, I agree, always cleanse that shit. And I hope I dont get this Mish in solo queue lol... especially after seeing her looping footage lmfaooo
@@Fragile-101 depends only pentimento doesn't do much combined with devour for example then u ofc cleanse it in case u pair it with plaything it depends if u play swf or not when u okay swf u usually always know where the killer is bc of voice chat (then just keep the oblivious) also when solo and it a open map like ormond for example u see the killer coming miles away then keep it as well and pay attention when u solo q on larys i would cleanse it
I usually use my intuition for Haunted Grounds. Whether or not the killer has been protecting totems, paying attention to them, and if nothing totem-related has even happened yet. Ofc not everyone will think the same way I do, but that’s how I go about it.
i feel like tiny tiny meticulous details and stuff like this is what makes the game so unfun, as a survivor it's so easy to mess up and make the other survivors hate you, i understand this is a strategy game but looping wasn't even intended to be a legit mechanic they had to actually balance, i think the whole concept of the game is fun but all these metas, very specific rules or strategies are what make the game so lifeless and unfun. obviously not everyone agrees with this but personally i think the game is just so over complicated now and you can't appease anyone.
So happy seeing you check for Ruin. Gotta hold it for a few charges now, I miss just tapping it. Anyway, gamers, please check for Ruin on your first generator, make it habit
not cleansing a totem is just a weird move to do. It takes longer walking around trying to investigate what perks they have rather than just straight up cleansing the totem. If you already know what perk they have before finding the totem and it's just trash ass perk like huntress lullaby; sure no real need to cleanse it unless you want the points
Mish is right, you shouldn't be cleansing totems that you can easily adapt to by altering gameplay style to fit the hex-related totem. Especially in higher-elo, time management is VITAL to survival because a high-elo killer will get easier hooks than a low-elo killer, meaning every second counts. If a survivor loops only for you to cleanse a totem that wasn't worth your time, you have already wasted so much time that could have been spent on a generator. I know in many survivors minds "cleansing one hex totem = killer only has 3 perks left so survivors have 4 each still" may be the way they think, but if the killer has a "useless" hex, then you can make them have "3 perks" by just altering your gameplay style. This way, you save so much time that you would have wasted on totem cleansing, that you can place on a generator.
No, silence simp. you're wrong. Always cleanse. 9 times out of 10 you'll be removing one of the killers perks when you do. If you spawn in by a hex totem and you don't cleanse its a waste of time. why risk somebody getting downed early because you didn't? SIMP
I strongly disagree... I mean 1st of all, to almost every totem she talked about she said its worth cleansing. In most cases you don't know what you're cleansing so you rather take the risk of like 1/15 or so to get exposed... which is the only "bad" hex to cleanse... The ones she said not to cleanse are those killers run in order, to pair with actually usefull hexes which basically makes the "bad" hex worth cleansing again... The point of me yappin? Simply said there is a reason why hex perks are cleansable: Because they're strong, too strong to be permanent. About your higher-elo example... yes it is true that cleansing totems takes time... but in the long run will save time because of their nature explained above...especially against "higher-elo" killers who probably will know which hex to run to get maximum value... And if you look at the very high end of Dead by Daylight (Competitive Players) they also prioritize cleansing before anything because they know the killer plays around its existance Long story short... 0:08 "if it glows, it goes"
You know it will only help the killer if survivors don't cleanse most totems, right? by the time the killer has 3 stacks of devour, it's practically too late...
Watch the video because Mish is obviously very entertaining, but please cleanse all lit totems, please! 1500 BP and most lit are pretty killer sided bonuses.
"Literally,non of these perks hurt us."So, remember folks, stop focusing on these harmless object and fight together against your real enemies that are truly worth your efforts.
So much misinformation, undying is always the first hex cleansed that’s the whole point of it, and then the other totem disappears There’s other misinformation, but I’m tired of my solo games getting ruined
The only and I mean ONLY one worth wile is Devour and do it after 2nd hook, don't wait for 3rd, if it happens to be Haunted no biggie, probable chasing an already injured surv.
Hey, jsyk I run retribution in a devour pentimento build and you get the oblivious and aura no matter what totem you cleanse, but if you cleanse the totem for retribution that effect goes away for all totems
Usually whenever a totem gets cleansed I don't have to worry about going down because I am honestly a really good looper but I also can't escape people cleansing totems because they want to.
No I agree! I always had the rule of if it's not bothering the gen then leave it alone cause it might be haunting. Keep the location of it in your mind in case it's devoured.
I never cleanse plaything because i just immediately assume the killer has pentimento with it. And 90% of the time I’m right, but that doesn’t stop my teammates from cleansing my plaything totem and then the slow downward spiral of seeing the killer light up all five totems and you try to finish one as fast as you can but you can’t get it before the killer gets the five stacks. It’s only happened to me once but it’s enough to never cleanse plaything again and play like i’m facing a stealth killer
I don't know if this is true or just coincidence, but from experience if you equip undying and then haunted ground then the undying will be cleansed first every time, and if you reverse it then you get the haunted grounds cleansed first, the same way soul guard and unbreakable interact. Idk if this is how it works for sure or if I'm just really lucky.
Wrong, and i main killer. The If it isnt one thing, its another. If the killers are bad, my survivors are good. If the killers are good, ive got 1 good survivor only time you dont cleanse is when you know its pentimento. But its probably devour combo.
HEHEHE I am the totem gremlin. The way the killer was protecting the totem I thought it was a big ole juicy totem and im a moth and it glowed. lol Thank you for the informative video! I actually dont know much about the killer perks or Hex's so this was super helpful.
Ever since I started playing killer, I was paranoid that I would be the killer in a survivors video. Then I saw this video pop up on my feed, and I thought it was interesting. Then, when the gameplay started, I thought, hmm I played a fake totem build on trapper..... on Eyrie..... with the new skin...... WAIT, THAT'S ME!!! Thankfully, it was for an educational video and not a noob killer compilation. GGs great vid! 👍
Name matches in end game 😂 that’s actually insane. Ggs that build is fun
Not a noob by any means! I've never thought to do a diversion build on killer before, nice idea.
Pretty creative build that takes advantage of the "if it glows it goes" mindset, you did great!
OMG! That's so wild! Your build was so fun and a nice break from the typical meta builds you see all the time! Really creative build and a great game. You played so well and knew exactly how to push me towards dead zones. Great match! Thank you so much for commenting!
@@ProbablyMish blackassfishystinky
if it glows,it goes
So...I can tunnel neon survivors:D
@@VladDracula_Tepes I approve
@@VladDracula_Tepesyou can do whatever you like. Everyone does tunnel. Nothing to see here
@@VladDracula_Tepes it's always a valid strategy, same as gen rushing. Just make sure when you tunnel off hook. Slug them for a while to wait out DS
I cleansed one when the killer was a spirit and we all suddenly got insta down. Why is that? I’m a newbie
noo guys!!! don't cleanse devour!!!! It's a waste of time trust!! do gens guys...I'm a survivor main I promise!!!😈😈
bro literally 😂
I like diet cherry coke, have u tried that
@@Xiorzx I haven’t I need to tho ik i'd love it lol
The widely known if it’s glows it goes stands. You can’t change my mind.
You were cleansing it before you knew what It was in the example video!!! only because you got caught did you stop?
0:56 I’ve been playing this game since 2017 and I didn’t know that the killer doesn’t get a notification if they are further than 48 metres
I thought the killer gets notification if someone did the fast vault no matter what distance
I thought the same thing! This was good to learn.
I occasionally see survivors who fast vault a window right at the beginning of a round to show this.
@@MurdockEx funnily enough sometimes you spawn within or close to within 40-48 meters
I’ve been playing and watching this game since huntress released,AND NOT A SINGLE PERSON HAS MENTIONED FAST VAULTS BEYOND 40M!!! WTF!!
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It wasn't always that way (killers getting a notification if someone rush vaults only if they are within 40m). They changed it since some survivors would BM in endgame and people found it annoying, or to start chase with a killer early. I don't know when they changed it since I didn't play during that time but did play before and after the change.
@@Lucy-ys8trI stopped playing for like 2 years and didn’t know this either. Cant say I fully agree with it though.
"stop cleansing hex perks!"
the 5 stack undying devour pale rose wraith:
Wait until you know what the hex does before cleansing
Guys it's devour at 3 just got 1 shotted cleanse it
@@Fusionfzthats usually too late
@@Fusionfz by that logic i can also just cleanse it and risk haunted ground and get 1 instant down
Well argued, and you make some good points. The only piece of your position I’d take issue with is that you didn’t mention that Undying provides aura reading to the killer. I take out even dull totems when I see Undying, because I don’t want the killer having that much intel on my team.
i agree
The new undying is much worse with the Franklins Vecna perk combo where items have a 20m diameter of vision.
I don't think it's worth it most of the time. The range is only 4 meters around the totens and they mostly spawn in hidden places.
So it doesn't cause much damage unless it's positioned inside a loop.
I think a lot of experienced players go “hmm what if my team can’t keep up with xyz” and I don’t like having that mindset, but sometimes taking precautions does help, so I sort of judge those decisions by how the game is going and how my teammates are playing
U are wasting time doing that. unless a dull is standing near a gen or something.
I feel like this is terrible advice, I'm a killer main and I would love if survivors left totems alone, because it would only benefit me most of the time. There's not really a way of telling that it's Devour until the third stack, and at that point it is basically too late for survivors. Plaything is a terrible perk to get stuck with as survivor, I'd much rather be able to deal with the terror radius and then Pentimento if the killer is also running that, instead of obliviousness. If they activate Pentimento after you cleanse Plaything, you already know where the Pentimento totem is, so it's not that much of a hindrance. Cleanse the totems guys, it's more worth it in the long run.
As a devour user I agree with you
but then the survs are gen rushers :c
@@schmietwechdeschiet4340 more survivors on totems = less survivors on gens tho?
@@michaelnichols9557 thats the thing that matters. getting survivors off gens
you can tell how green some of these killers commenting are
@@sonicboy5 it is better for survivors to do side objectives, but DbD needs more execution/implementation of side objectives. Not challenge/optional ones, probably ones that are necessary, or necessary some of the match. Like needing gas for a few generators at random, maybe 3 or so that need gas in a map.
I'm sorry but as nancy once said "if it glows it goes"😂
If you happen to spawn on the totem or see it on your way to a gen, nobody's in chase, and it isn't ruin then it's probably safe to cleanse it. If it's Thrill, or Retribution then the survivor can just ignore it. If it's Devour, then they've eliminated it before the killer can snowball. If it's Haunted, then everyone just hides until the exposed wears off.
Had that thing happen yesterday. Spawned on Auto Heaven with a Hex right in front of me.
The Trickster camped the whole team in basement, just because he lost his Crowd Control Hex 30s into the game.😂
How bitter some killers can be, just because it is a Hex, even if that Hex isn't really that strong (except for shack).
i'd rather risk a 1 down thru haunted than a snowball thru devour!
if it glows it goes
the cleansing of totems is a random gamble until you confirm what effects it has. doesn’t mean you should leave them there and risk GIVING the killer value and reasons to patrol the totem.
both of the things u said in second sentence are nonsense
He means that you could spawn in front of ruin,but you wanted to check the effect,so killer now protects the tomem,while other person cleansed totem before killer could check it@@ShadyzReal
I had my fastest 4k ever with a full hex build on Spirit one time. I had Haunted, Undying, Retribution and Devour. Ended up getting a 4k in 3:18 seconds. I got #16 in the world without even trying, it was crazy and proof that hex builds can be either nuts or do nothing. I got very lucky.
I have to disagree. BUT: Most of the arguments made are valid in my opinion, if the question is changed from "What Hexes should be cleansed" to "What Hexes should be looked for". Because if I see a Hex, i will always cleanse it, unless I have a feeling of Haunted Ground or sometimes against Pentimento. If you already found the totem, you may as well cleanse it. The time spent is very little, and even in the very rare case of it being Haunted Ground, it usually doesn't lose you the game, it's rather a minor inconvenience. If you don't cleanse the Hex immediately you risk that the Killer gets an insta down with Devour Hope for example.
But if you notice a Hex is in play but didn't find the totem yet, most of your arguments can be used for figuring out if the totem is worth looking for. There are some I don't agree with, for example i think that Plaything is something worth cleansing in certain scenarios. If you play against a Bubba on Lèry's for instance you should cleanse Plaything even if you know they have Pentimento.
Similarly there are Hexes you stated as "cleanse worthy" I personally wouldn't bother looking for such as Crowd Control.
In general very solid argumentation tho. Kudos
I like to run Plaything with Haunted Grounds and Retribution, so hexes just show up across the map and someone will eventually cleanse them
and devour hope so its a lose lose.
it wastes so much of the survivors time its perfection
I play both survivor and killer…. It’s kind of counterintuitive to what you’re saying, and after naming all the perks, you essentially said it’s smart to cleanse 85% of them or so.
As a killer, getting rid of 1, or 2 hex, you left me with 2 perks left.. huge disadvantage on killers who need Hexes.
As a survivor, it’s all about efficiency. If you see a hex, it is 9/10 a reasonably smart thing to remove it. The cons outweigh the pros if you don’t. Sure, it’s smart to deduce it, but the problem here is depending on what everyone else is doing is what makes it worth or not… if it’s a SWFT, then great, you can work… but if it’s not, people don’t take queues from the game… thus making everything inefficient.
Retribution is never ran on its own. It has excellent synergy with Plaything and Pento, and or Undying with probably Ruin. Frankly any hex, that is its design! Be watchful!
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The only time i think twice before cleansing is against Spirit, the rest is glow it goes
You neglected Retribution's second effect: when it's cleansed Survivor auras are revealed mapwide, which is probably the more pressing reason to not cleanse it.
There's no reason not to cleanse HEXes
You're taking a risk of avoiding potential 60 second crits for infinite crits and moris
This is clearly made by a killer main posing as a survivor main; if it glows, it goes
They changed undying a long time ago to make sure it doesn't give 2 huanted ground effects. Now, no matter what totem gets cleansed, undying will always be the first to deactivate, instead of transfering the hex that got cleansed to the undying totem like it used to do when undying was released. this also protects stacks for other totems like devour. That way, huanted grounds doesn't get cleansed twice.
Haunted Grounds still gets cleansed twice. If you cleanse a haunted grounds it will transfer to the Undying totem and if you cleanse the other it activates again
@Sheer_Force I stand corrected. I went and tested it against bots, and yes, it does transfer. I know at one point they changed it, though, so that it wouldn't do that. I used to run this combo back when it first came out, and then it stopped working, so I quit using it.
sorry if it glows it goes im cleansing everything
Undying, ruin, pentimento, and whatever pinheads hex is again. Strongest hex build. Especially good on killers that can slow the game with other items that survivors have to interact with like trapper, plague, unknown, etc.
IF IT GLOWS IT GOES! the only exception to this is if the killer is running hex plaything. most of the time i've noticed that players who use this perk are also running pentimento now days a build popularized by certain content creators. at this time its probably better to try and avoid being hooked and if you are don't cleanse just do gens and stay on the lookout as you will not be able to hear the killer if you're cleansing plaything it just gives the killer more stacks of pentimento and you will have to waste more time cleansing that as well as doing gens. not worth it.
I partially agree with you and really appreciate the info in this vid, but in my opinion it's still more often than not worth cleansing if you don't know what the hex is, especially if you suspect they might be counting on NOED in the end game (as it cuts down on the area you'd need to search to find it). The potential benefit of cleansing usually outweighs the time spent to cleanse it, and if it's not worth it then it's usually pretty obvious based on what other perks you notice/didn't notice.
Also 2.5k hours in + watching a ridiculous amount of DBD content and this was the first time I heard anyone mention the fast vault notification range was 48 meters, so thanks for that as well!
You can literally cleanse any totem at any time as long as you make sure your protecting the teammate being chased from haunted ground by waiting until they get injured before you start the cleanse
@@Joster3x3 you can cleanse. Any totem. At any time. Without doing that too
if it glows, it goes!
Makes absolutely no sense.
Okay counterpoint, the "Deep Cleansing" achievement exists.
As a killer main, if you sonehow identify and find Devour (and likely Undying) early, save it. If you can time it right (theough comms or the likes) it's REALLY funny to let them have three stacks, and JUST BEFORE they get the insta-down, you cleanse it. Every time I see this happen and they just run off instead of going down, I laugh so hard that I choke. Even funnier if it's right before I can mori someone I've downed.
It goes from this excited high moment of, "YES! YES!" to just, "oh."
If it glows, it goes. No exceptions.
Yeah the build the trapper had is my go to on blight. I call it my "dont touch my totems build" for the exact purpose of either benefiting smart players or punishment for the "it glows it gos" playstyle
Rule number one "if it glows it goes" and thanks
I will always do Lullaby if it's that. Without doing the hex the game is so stressful for me. I'd rather lose a minute getting the hex and have a fun game instead of sweating it and still losing anyway
Even though hex builds aren't super popular anymore, i use hex builds so often. Not every killer is good with hexes, but it's so worth trying. I very often just bring hex third seal with all killers at least because of the windows of opportunity players currently
that build is so fun. you mess with survivors thinking its something important but once you play with a SWF they wont really do them. Thats why you can add devour hope lol, it becomes op
Since the worst hex totem effect you can get after cleansing is exposed from Haunted Grounds I'd say it's better to just cleans it and get exposed for 60s instead of the killer patrolling it with Devour
exactly, worst case scenario, you are exposed for 60 seconds
best case, you ruin the build/plan of the kilelr
Sorry, if it glows it goes
if it glows, it goes. Imo, its good to just get the totem out of the way. Why wait to suffer the consequences of a totem before getting rid of it? If you wait, youre just giving the killer more time to get value out of the hex perk, which you dont want. There are 15 hex perks and only 2 that actually punish you from doing totems: Pentimento, and haunted ground.
Pentimento gets increasingly worse the more totems you do, but just memorize where you cleansed the totem, and go back and remove pentimento totem.
Haunted ground provides an insta down for 60 seconds to any surv they m1, just try to do the totem when someone's not in chase, if they are, let teammate know. If solo queue, sorry random teammate. Then just hide for 1 minute. Killer cant get value if they cant find you.
You dont want to give killer a chance to end a chase quickly because you left blood favor or crowd control up. You dont want killer to get pressure with Ruin, and devour. and you dont want to screw over teammates by not getting rid of their Plaything totem or getting rid of hex the third seal for aura reading perks. There's way more up sides to just getting rid of the hex as quickly as possible, than leaving it to linger. there's a six percent chance of it being haunted ground. Not to mention that if theyre running a hex perk, undying is fairly common to run with a hex perk, so youd have to do two totems anyways. If you can identify it, great, its no longer a gamble and you can plan ahead easier. But if you dont know, just have plans to play safe after doing it.
Cleanse hexes when you find them!
As a killer who uses hex builds often specifically plaything and pentimento; I can say she isn't wrong about waiting to cleanse hexes that won't hurt you, also I only use plaything on killers who move quickly so hearing their radius is imperative if you can't loop well. The value in pentimento isn't in the first 2-3 gens because you need people to cleanse and forget where it was, you want to wait until the survivors confidence is up and then start to brake it with pentimento. Keep people wounded after your second stack of pent they will waste a ton of time healing or ideally looking for totems. You have to tread a fine line with hexes, if you are running pentimento you really want to maintain control, it does nothing if they know you can't beat them in chase.
I always cleanse a hex perk. Why? If its undying thats 1 perk down, if not its still a perk down. Worst case scenario its haunted and you hide for a few seconds to wait out the exposed. If the killer having less perks helps me survive ima do it. I've had killer just instantly dc because I instantly get rid of their hex totems.
@@That_0ne_Dev ya it’s not fun when you spawn 5 feet from a hex totem literally in plain view and both your hex and undying are gone within the first 30 seconds.
@@devinedgin673 I would call that poor RNG no matter how you swing it survivors will learn totem locations
I had a trickster basement camp me, because I cleansed his Crowd Control Hex 30s into the game, because it spawned right next to me😂.
Seems that he was bitter enough to punsih my team for something we couldn't controll😂.
I had survivors come up to me many times wanting to heal me shortly after we got a hex devour-hope reveal, it’s crazy how clueless people are when it comes to hexes, and nobody even tries to cleanse it except for me
sure thing buddy, you alone are the saying grace at all times
@@schmietwechdeschiet4340 found the clueless dwight
@@schmietwechdeschiet4340 most people don’t cleanse them though
*as a Huntress Lul user this brings me joy :) that you view it as a non cleanse*
I run this build all the time on slinger with one single alteration. Devour hope. If they cleanse the totems I have retribution + haunted to get a few downs then undying to do it again. If they don't well, let's just say they don't make it out alive...
Main lesson - try to figure out what the Hex is before just default cleansing.
I've ran a full hex build before and sometimes it makes it very confusing for survivors as to whether it's beneficial to cleanse or not. I was running Hex Third Seal combined with the blindness add-ons for Pig which was a very nasty build because they had to not only focus on their beartraps every time they popped a gen but also set time aside to cleanse my Hex 😁
Really informative video on hex perks and how to identify them but I do disagree with the cautionary approach to cleansing. The video showcasing that killers hex perks is not really a decent example either as I would consider that to be something of a meme build and you'll never typically run into anyone running that in 99% of your games. As someone who has played against and with full hex builds a lot the chances of devour hope are high enough that you should just expect it in the first place if you notice more than one glowing hex. In such a situation you will want to jump onto hexes immediately to wipe out Undying and possibly huanted ground if you are unlucky as quickly as possible. On both sides I have seen so many times an effort to get rid of devour hope once it's revealed at 3 stacks with a 4th already on hook but by then it's already way too late on the survivor side to recover the match typically. Especially if its a high mobility killer. However If you've already wiped out devour hope and there's still some glowing totems left then you can maybe leave it expecting it to be haunted ground or something
honestly with how few hexes are not worth/bad to cleanse and how difficult it can be to identify which they have it's better to just get it cleansed if you see it.
If it glows it goes!
"Huntress Lullaby: I just pay attention" Do you run Hyperfocus for that same reason? Ever go against it drunk? lol I've quit drinking, but I could do without Hex: Lullaby, and I like the points it gives
IF IT GLOWS, IT GOES
I had a killer running ALL hex perks so it didn't matter what totem we cleansed 😭
she literally just showed a match where it mattered 💀
I took in this video, and then discarded the information. If it glows, it goes. Amen
Very good video! Worth noting that NOED actually gives a whopping 6% haste bonus at tier 3, but I learned a lot about how I should be playing survivor!
Unless retribution has been changed it also gives wall hacks for a short time after ANY totem is cleansed if you pair it with haunted grounds and undying you get wall hacks and one shots everytime they cleanse have fun with that
You must be new to DBD, veteran players have always had the unwritten rule, "If it glows, it goes." If you get wrecked by haunted ground, then you got jipped by a rando, or you didn't communciate well enough. All else, you're just trying to be pittied. As a killer main, even I know this.
12k hours here (9k or more on surv only)
cleanse that shit
yeah sometimes u r unlucky and get a haunted ground but still
over 1k survivor hours here, I agree, always cleanse that shit. And I hope I dont get this Mish in solo queue lol... especially after seeing her looping footage lmfaooo
@@ghost_m3p I mean this video proved you wrong. Lmao. Let's see your looping footage, though?
pentimento tho?
@@Fragile-101 depends only pentimento doesn't do much combined with devour for example then u ofc cleanse it
in case u pair it with plaything it depends if u play swf or not
when u okay swf u usually always know where the killer is bc of voice chat (then just keep the oblivious) also when solo and it a open map like ormond for example u see the killer coming miles away then keep it as well and pay attention
when u solo q on larys i would cleanse it
did you watch the video?
I see it as point are points. double haunted ground bc of undying? that's 3 glowing totems for extra points lol
you forgot the aura read from undying
The only issue I have with Hex totems is Haunted Grounds, there's no way to tell when it's in play.
I usually use my intuition for Haunted Grounds. Whether or not the killer has been protecting totems, paying attention to them, and if nothing totem-related has even happened yet. Ofc not everyone will think the same way I do, but that’s how I go about it.
i feel like tiny tiny meticulous details and stuff like this is what makes the game so unfun, as a survivor it's so easy to mess up and make the other survivors hate you, i understand this is a strategy game but looping wasn't even intended to be a legit mechanic they had to actually balance, i think the whole concept of the game is fun but all these metas, very specific rules or strategies are what make the game so lifeless and unfun. obviously not everyone agrees with this but personally i think the game is just so over complicated now and you can't appease anyone.
So happy seeing you check for Ruin. Gotta hold it for a few charges now, I miss just tapping it. Anyway, gamers, please check for Ruin on your first generator, make it habit
Gotta love the random queue coming back in for the rescue.
Im surprised you said dont cleanse retribution, its almost always paired with another totem so its a must cleanse by association
Pentimento: pentimento
Mish: penameno!
As a hex build spirit main, i support this message >:3
not cleansing a totem is just a weird move to do. It takes longer walking around trying to investigate what perks they have rather than just straight up cleansing the totem. If you already know what perk they have before finding the totem and it's just trash ass perk like huntress lullaby; sure no real need to cleanse it unless you want the points
if it glows it goes but dont go out of your way for some hexs if i cleanse haunted at 5 gens its fine get it out of the game
Mish is right, you shouldn't be cleansing totems that you can easily adapt to by altering gameplay style to fit the hex-related totem. Especially in higher-elo, time management is VITAL to survival because a high-elo killer will get easier hooks than a low-elo killer, meaning every second counts. If a survivor loops only for you to cleanse a totem that wasn't worth your time, you have already wasted so much time that could have been spent on a generator. I know in many survivors minds "cleansing one hex totem = killer only has 3 perks left so survivors have 4 each still" may be the way they think, but if the killer has a "useless" hex, then you can make them have "3 perks" by just altering your gameplay style. This way, you save so much time that you would have wasted on totem cleansing, that you can place on a generator.
No, silence simp. you're wrong. Always cleanse. 9 times out of 10 you'll be removing one of the killers perks when you do. If you spawn in by a hex totem and you don't cleanse its a waste of time. why risk somebody getting downed early because you didn't? SIMP
I strongly disagree... I mean 1st of all, to almost every totem she talked about she said its worth cleansing. In most cases you don't know what you're cleansing so you rather take the risk of like 1/15 or so to get exposed... which is the only "bad" hex to cleanse...
The ones she said not to cleanse are those killers run in order, to pair with actually usefull hexes which basically makes the "bad" hex worth cleansing again...
The point of me yappin? Simply said there is a reason why hex perks are cleansable: Because they're strong, too strong to be permanent.
About your higher-elo example... yes it is true that cleansing totems takes time... but in the long run will save time because of their nature explained above...especially against "higher-elo" killers who probably will know which hex to run to get maximum value... And if you look at the very high end of Dead by Daylight (Competitive Players) they also prioritize cleansing before anything because they know the killer plays around its existance
Long story short... 0:08 "if it glows, it goes"
More like captain save-a-hó3!
You know it will only help the killer if survivors don't cleanse most totems, right? by the time the killer has 3 stacks of devour, it's practically too late...
Watch the video because Mish is obviously very entertaining, but please cleanse all lit totems, please! 1500 BP and most lit are pretty killer sided bonuses.
"Literally,non of these perks hurt us."So, remember folks, stop focusing on these harmless object and fight together against your real enemies that are truly worth your efforts.
So much misinformation, undying is always the first hex cleansed that’s the whole point of it, and then the other totem disappears
There’s other misinformation, but I’m tired of my solo games getting ruined
As a devour player if you unhook quick I tunnel. pick your poison
First 5 minutes of the video brings me back to 2022 Mish, i made popcorn and everything for it. So educational. Lovely
The only and I mean ONLY one worth wile is Devour and do it after 2nd hook, don't wait for 3rd, if it happens to be Haunted no biggie, probable chasing an already injured surv.
It doesn’t matter no one escapes 😈
If it glows, it goes.
Hey, jsyk I run retribution in a devour pentimento build and you get the oblivious and aura no matter what totem you cleanse, but if you cleanse the totem for retribution that effect goes away for all totems
Mish: 🔊
Music: 🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊
Usually whenever a totem gets cleansed I don't have to worry about going down because I am honestly a really good looper but I also can't escape people cleansing totems because they want to.
If only everyone was as incredible as you 🙄
giving away killer secrets. dang, this is going to make my life more difficult.
i’m sorry mish but i’m like a MOTH TO A FLAME I CANT HELP ITTTT 😭😭😭
Love the video Mish! Its very informative for newer players!
No I agree! I always had the rule of if it's not bothering the gen then leave it alone cause it might be haunting. Keep the location of it in your mind in case it's devoured.
what if it's devour hope xD
I never cleanse plaything because i just immediately assume the killer has pentimento with it. And 90% of the time I’m right, but that doesn’t stop my teammates from cleansing my plaything totem and then the slow downward spiral of seeing the killer light up all five totems and you try to finish one as fast as you can but you can’t get it before the killer gets the five stacks. It’s only happened to me once but it’s enough to never cleanse plaything again and play like i’m facing a stealth killer
Instructions followed, ive been morid by devour hope 20000 times since taking this advice, really makes the game better!
Ijust Cleanse or Boon them when I see them and runninga Boon Build (Still need the Achievements) :D
That chase was SICK 🔥
I mainly use thrill of the hunt for the extra blood points
I don't know if this is true or just coincidence, but from experience if you equip undying and then haunted ground then the undying will be cleansed first every time, and if you reverse it then you get the haunted grounds cleansed first, the same way soul guard and unbreakable interact. Idk if this is how it works for sure or if I'm just really lucky.
CounterForce: I end the Totems whole career faster
Yeah, thanks but I’m cleansing it.
IF IT GLOWS IT GOES ❤️💚
Yes don’t cleanse until you know what the totem is, my build totally wont make it impossible to cleanse or anything 😈
can you turn down the vocals, i can't hear the music
NO! you tryna control me! How very dare you!
the pro of cleansing outweighs the cons. im sorry
Wrong, and i main killer. The If it isnt one thing, its another. If the killers are bad, my survivors are good. If the killers are good, ive got 1 good survivor only time you dont cleanse is when you know its pentimento. But its probably devour combo.
The explanation for 3rd Seal is not 100 % correct. It triggers also for special Attacks and not just an "M1" 😄
1 haunted ground in 100 games is worth abiding by "if it glows, it goes"
HEHEHE I am the totem gremlin. The way the killer was protecting the totem I thought it was a big ole juicy totem and im a moth and it glowed. lol Thank you for the informative video! I actually dont know much about the killer perks or Hex's so this was super helpful.