Hand Sawing Class from Woodworking in America 2016
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- This is the complete 2 hour class I presented on hand saws at Woodworking in America, on September 17th, 2016. The class was designed to be a primer to sawing, from types of saws, to demystifying tooth geometry, and finally some basic usage techniques.
What a delightful 2 hours! No irony! I learned a great number of new ideas, and can refine my technique accordingly. That the lesson was delivered by a self deprecating comedian was icing on a very rich cake! Many thanks from "The Worlds Oldest Apprentice!" a self awarded title that I would be glad to have contested by worthy competitors!
Glad you enjoyed it Pat, good luck improving your technique. Let me know if I can help.
Thank you so much for putting this out there Shannon. You didn't have to and it speaks volumes to your promotion of the craft. All the best!
I’m a huge fan of Woodtalk and your YT channel, I’ve listened to hours and hours and hours of you speaking but your lecture here is sooo impressive. Maybe some of your best stuff. You brought your A game; this was totally your element and I hope to catch you at some conference in the future
Very generous of you to put this entire class up. Great info and presentation!
Please please please keep posting stuff like this. This is outstanding information on par with Paul Sellers. Very well done! Keep it up!
thejonellwood well I only taught 3 classes and recorded two. So there will be another but...
So cool! that was a fantastic class! love it man!
Renaissance Woodworker, you're "Numero Uno" on hand saws and sawing... wish I could have your confidence and control to achieve accurate sawing.
Awesome, I missed this class at WIA! Can't wait to dig in. Bookmarked.
Superb lecture. You have a real gift for finding the best way to explain your points.
Wow Shannon great class. As a hybrid guy who has just started a woodworking business, I'm power heavy at this point and have been looking at hand tools more and more. This answered SO many questions for me, thanks for the excellent content!
You are a very good speaker and teacher Shannon, I really enjoyed this, your range of knowledge is expansive!! Thank you for all you do Sir!!! Cannot wait til the kinks have been worked out from your live streams, I really enjoy your teachings my friend :)
Amazing class!
Learned more about sawing in these two hours watching you, then in weeks of reading and fiddling myself :)
Thank you so much !
thanks a lot Mathias glad to hear it was helpful for you.
This talk is so awesome it should be bottled, aged and kept as fine vintage! congrats!
Probably the most information packed video I have seen. Thanks so much!
Thank you for posting this class. We dont have these kind of events in my small country.
What a wonderful tutorial. You are very interesting to listen to and I appreciate you bestowing your years of knowledge to woodworkers. Thanks. It is very uncommon to find somebody who is as smart as you (Paul Sellers comes to mind) who really cares about teaching the entire litany of saws from types to how to use them. Once again, thanks for your channel and your caring to help other woodworkers learn techniques and theory.
This is excellent information - I've not seen anything done this well. Thanks for posting it.....Scott
The 2 Car Garage Shop well thank you. If I may be so bold this is below par for the quality of information and presentation that you would find in The Hand Tool School
I just checked out Semester One.....Christmas is coming...hmmmm
Awesome info Shannon. I'm reaching that point where I need to hone skills on hand tools more so saws are definitely in the near future. 👍
Where did that two hours go? Two hours just about handsaws and it flew by. The video contains everything you didn't know you wanted to know about saws and sawing. Thank you.
I'm sure I could fill another 2 hours. In fact I have already. Just look around this channel and you will find MANY more hours of hand saw talk.
great info about saws witch we need more on RUclips thanx
Thank you for posting this class. Huge amount of information presented in a clear, idiot proof way.
Hi,
Thanks so much for an informative video! I wanted to watch your sawing techniques and was surprised to see that it was well into the video -- but every minute leading up to it was well worth watching to have a better understanding of what's going on.
I'm building a workbench out of 8/4 hard maple using nothing but hand tools and boy has rip cutting been getting the better of me. The reason for this madness is because even with power tools, I find myself reaching for hand tools on every project for one reason or another (piece too wide for the jointer, router can't route square holes, etc.) I figured I'd learn some hand tool techniques building the workbench which doesn't need to be perfect.
Of the 10 slabs I've ripped so far for the bench top, around 8 of them were with the wood standing on end clamped in a vise (I blame other videos). Only the last two did I "naturally" figure out that I'm better off with my knee on the piece I'm cutting. Still, out of plumb and can't go straight, but it's funny how my body eventually started telling me to do it the way you were showing. It's still taking me 40-45 minutes per piece (around 7 foot long, 8/4 hard maple as I mentioned), which feels way too long, but it's much less than the two hours it took when I started the project. (what's a "reasonable" amount of time to rip something like that?)
Here are my two complaints for you:
1. You didn't make me watch this video before I got started. Shame on you!
2. Now I have to put my project on hold temporarily to build a saw bench and possibly something for outfeed (like a second saw bench)
Sauce
I have plenty of other sawing videos, in fact there is a playlist on my channel page that collects all of them. One in particular is the Rip Sawing Technique video where I show what I use instead of a second saw bench. As far as time on 8/4 Hard Maple rip, I would anticipate I could do 7' in about 5 minutes. Maybe less if I switch hands to and keep sawing while my other arms rests. The time you are taking may be due to the pitch of your saw being too fine and the geometry perhaps not optimized for a really hard wood.
Great class Shannon Thank you.
Thank you for posting this. An excellent seminar, highly educational and very well presented. I really need to get to a WIA if this is the level of the classes offered. Now if you will excuse me, I'm off to scout out hand saws (or maybe panel saws) on eBay!
Fantastic! Thank you
awesome class...thanks for making it public ;))
Thanks a million!
Great video.
Damn. If I had a teacher like you in High School, I might have learned something
Even better, you have this now when you might actually retain the information!
Brilliant!
Very good
it's crazy how useful saws are I'm always buying saws when I see them and my parents don't understand why but I just say there so much more useful than they seem if they new how much info there is to know about saws there heads would spin and I would sound like I'm speaking Chinese
Lots of great information here, Shannon. You've studied this very thoroughly. I did not quite follow the reason you gave for why backsaw backs that are friction fit only are better than ones with a secured connection. Have you done a video focussing on that already? I'd enjoy seeing a demonstration of how it makes a difference with the camera a bit closer.My saw bench is about 18" wide and I have holdfast holes in the top to secure the work. Also, I agree with you that splayed legs are horrible. My saw bench is built more like a 5 board stool.
deezynar check out the link posted for a better explanation then I can give. But basically a saw with a folded back won't kink as easy as one held static. www.woodtalkshow.com/episodes/wood-talk-123-colonial-turkey-legs/
jimmy driest spoke of an old machine he found that automatically grinds the teeth i bet it makes the job much faster and easier but i wonder how much adjustment there is.
Finally, I can go buy some more saws, and be able to explain to my shoe collecting wife why! Although she has been using the same type argument for buying more shoes, so it may not work??
I'm sure that negative rake is when the tooth leans into the direction of cutting.
Big Fat Tony's agreed isn't that what I said?
I heard the opposite, which is why I wrote the comment.
He said "if you lean the tooth forward it really bites".Then he said "leaning it back" is a relaxed tooth which allows it to skate. Its similar with table saw which has a positive rake (rips). An over the table (chop saw) can use a negative rake for cleaner cuts . So, what RWW originally said is correct...assuming that 'leaning' means angling the tip of the tooth forward in the direction of cut(positive). So, if it looks more like halloween teeth then its negative. If it looks like
What is the sweep/curve in the back of the handsaw for?
Christian Carter that's called a sway back. It lighten the saw at the toe and was advertised to make the saw easier to handle. Personally I have really seen a massive difference in ease of use between the straight and sway back
Please get into japanese handsaws. For the price of one of those "cheap" veritas lee valley deals, you can get two different Gyokucho saws ( three types if its on sale.) Yes, its a little harder to use as the wiggle factor is magnified...but it will make you an even superior cutter than you already are. You will despise it at first, but it will grow on you. True, they are not collectible and they are disposable, but I just get more projects done faster and with more precision with the pull saws.
Slap Stick I know it was a while ago, but judging from the work in all cultures both push and pull saws are equally precise if the craftsman is precise with that tool. I am not very precise with any tool yet, just pointing out that both are very good. The one thing I think western push saws have over pull saws is that the average person can easily sharpen them without years of practice/training.
AN HOUR AND A HALF ON HAND SAWS?????!!!! Jk great stuff
nope, its 2 hours on hand saws
Your rant against the hand planes contrast the image on your t-shirt. :)
Thanks for the video!
I know my life has become really sad when I find a 2 hour talk on hand saws thrilling.....
It's brave new world!
Good video. It would be better if you hadn't spent the first 5 minutes berating hand planes. As a finish carpenter I use both, and value them equally.
shudda wore a t-shirt with a pic of a hands! doh.....lol
Hi Shannon, this is a very informative video!
Could you share the slides you show in this presentation for future reference?
Regards
Guillaume (you actually did not butcher my name the other day, that was a first for an american! :D )
*But*.. Shannon - you wanna promote handsaws and your lovely t-shirt shows a..? Right: a hand plane ;-)
i've got tennis elbow at the moment (and i hate tennis), so i've had to saw some wood lefthanded, my respect for you wierdo lefties has dramatically increased, Is it always so discombobulated all the time for you?
I had tennis elbow, Google elastic band, it helped me very good
thanks, I've been wearing one anyway. But it takes time....