Debunking Goji Center's Legendary vs Shin
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Inspired by @GojiCenter coping badly about Shin Godzilla and spreading misinformation for years.
@GojiGuyy
So
What say we find the truth?
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The problem isn't Goji center, as they acknowledged that these forms are only hypothetical and highly unlikely. The problems is Shin fans taking this form seriously and using it as gospel.
Finally someone saying this.
Wrong. They perpetuated a pretty dead excuse from when Shin first came out.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812WHAT
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 i sub to goji center
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812WHATS WRONG WITH GOJI!?
Goji Center heavily relies on probability-based arguments, often drawing conclusions solely based on speculation
The video frequently presents speculative statements like 'he could do...' or 'if it does this...' without providing concrete evidence
Moreover, it makes generalized analogies and comparisons that lack reliable empirical support, undermining the credibility of its premises
The hypothetical scenarios presented are not grounded in evidence or data, transforming a potentially informative analysis into a series of 'What If?' situations devoid of coherence and logic
Furthermore, the argument leans on tautological reasoning and anecdotal evidence, which biases the objective analysis. This approach fails to offer solid, structured evidence, rendering the argument unreliable and undermining its credibility
Yeah, and what are those probabilities based on? Perhaps what we've actually been shown in both the series? Why is it that we cannot make the same argument for legendary evolving? Perhaps thats because he cannot. What goji center was making for a case is that shin can obviously evolve, its just that whatever the evolution yields is unknown, but can certainly help shin godzilla.
chatgpt ah argument
@@StarWarsNegsVerses
Disc0rd argument***
This looks like chat gpt generated lol
Did I just start arguing with a goddamn computer?
Even if GojiCenter can give actual accurate and up-to-date information, sometimes i feel its too obvious that example: Legendary vs Shin, Legendary would easily drag Shin across the floor
They really don't though, they're FAR behind in terms of Monsterverse info let alone anything else
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812so why don’t you say something to GojiCenter instead of sitting around and complaining?
@@trevorsawyer2272 I have stupid, they ain't listen, why you think I made videos on them?
@@Ovken Insect you have never posed this challenge, and you are too retarded to follow through on it. If you had a human brain, you'd be less of a vile skid mark.
Its crazy how powerscaling can be so simply understood by reading 2 or 3 vsbw wikis on it and hardly takes half an hour at most yet people want to glaze anatomy here.
The only time I could get behind Goji Center's anatomy crap was when that Accurate T.rex vs Jurassic world since its nearly impossible to properly gauge an extinct animal's power without anatomy.
I doubt the vs battles wiki is a reliable source for most kaijus. (Ebirah somehow scaling to star level)
@@RevingtonDalton it is reliable enough for understanding the basics like what AP is or what distinguishes Durability and Stamina or define the multipliers etc
The character wiki's themselves are lazy tho, I'd agree with that.
@@RevingtonDaltonEbirah is well above that
I can't believe back then in like 2019 - 2020 i thought Shin had the strongest durability because bullets just bounced off him 😭
I always have hated him so I put him last on the strength,now I don't hate him,but I was right
Same 💀
@@super_productions24 You can like the character outside of debating or scaling for that matter
@@EagerBeaverAnimsYT yea but my point was
Even littel me was right
The average godzilla is bullet proof
Shin fans glaze him to the maximum level, when every shin loses a fight, they just start saying he would evolve. He can evolve yes, BUT it takes a while and any godzilla won't just watch and stare.
@_Ducky420 the craziest part is that shin can't survive a nuke 💀
Personally, I like Shin, not because of his power, but because of his concept and what he represents.
@_Ducky420_key word: deleted scene. So it’s basically non canon
Shin fans think this is a shonen anime
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Lol
@@Ovkenthese guys didn't even watch the video I'm pretty sure
@@Ovken
1. He mentioned that in Godzilla 2014, Legendary godzilla reacted to the military weapons, while Shin did not. Slightly reacting to weapons is not an accurate form of representation. Shin godzilla takes place in the 1950s while legendary godzilla takes place near present day, and its weapons would obviously be more advanced compared to in the 1950s.
2. He said that in King Of the Monsters Godzilla was able to take a nuke to the face, which is a show of his resistance, it is literally stated in the movie that the purpose of the nuke was not to kill it, it was to fuel him with its radiation, basically revive him after he was almost killed with the oxygen destroyer.
3. He mentioned several times that Shin Godzilla could evolve, which is what a lot of Shin meatriders say, but its not like legendary godzilla would just severely injure him, then just leave it there.
4. Shin Godzilla destroyed buildings with his atomic breath, while legendary Godzilla's atomic breath literally went through the earth. + Shin Godzilla didn't even manage to get rid of the whole city
@@Ovken Sorry, my information for the first point was from an incorrect source
@@Ovken Its not exactly resistance, as it wasn't meant as a weapon, but rather a means to "revive him" with the radiation.
Honestly that video was the reason shin Fanboys are what they are
Fr man, They ruin a very interesting godzilla.
I’m a shin fanboy, but they aren’t wrong shin can evolve, before you all go after me.. let me explain, shin can obviously evolve to counter what’s thrown at him, he CAN evolve to counter legendary. But will legendary let that happen? FUCK NO. Legendary will probably stay there with his dead body, that, or he will bring him to where his new lair is to feed on him or feed on his radiation, tldr legendary destroys with low mid diff.
@@EagleEdits100 shin evolving to counter attacks/beings is a scrapped concept.
@@finleydoyle4913no it isnt he made the human sized shins too fight humans
@@SuperBuuTheDude it is a concept. The humanoid monsters is simply to evolve to his environment. To shin godzilla, humans are just apart of the environment
Goji Center is the epitomy of "milking something trendy to its death"
And then after milking it, lies about the benefits for people to get into it again
Do you want the milk?
Goji Center? More like Monsterverse Center.
Goji center when Nightfeeder cutting through trees is only Small building:
Yeah and the NightFeeder is stronger than small building level in fact you can have him above large building level feats for Fang and Spear, and likely scales to the city block level feat of the undead surapod.
But that’s only enough to kill Kong Skull Island Kong not adult Kong, they just think it’s toon force just cuz it’s ridiculous when the feat itself isn’t impressive so either way they are dumb.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls Do you have any good spear and fang calcs 🌚
@@EdmundiumHitting yes they have a small building level calc, a large building level calc, there’s another large building level calc he likely scales to, and the undead surapod has a city block level calc.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls not even sk kong Is dying 💀
@@super_productions24 No he is via scaling and info, it might seem ridiculous but the feats do not support him being strong enough to tank attacks, he might not die instantly yet he can get hurt and the NightFeeder can win cuz of higher calcs for their feats.
I pray to God(zilla) that Goji Center never tries to make Heisei vs Legendary, because they are going to absolutely butcher that topic.
Yeah especially if you watch goji chronics hesei vs goku
@@Minkafnow Why would you watch CHRONIC, not ME, when I did the work to get Heisei that strong and that PARASITE did NOT?
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 Heisei Mothra Larva>>>>>>>>Thermo Godzilla
@@ReaperGoji True
Sorry kotm I saw goji chronic first but I am subscribed to you
Back in its early days as a much smaller channel, Goji Center used to be my favorite coverage of Monsterverse analysis type videos. Since they've reached a much higher view and subscriber count, the quality of the videos went downhill so quickly that I'm no longer enjoying their content as much as I used to.
Really? Never seen their early stuff is it worth a watch?
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 I first saw their Godzilla vs Kong battle analysis series.
I do recommend giving those a watch, they're pretty interesting and what got me into their channel in the first place.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812My replies keep disappearing. If you see this, please let me know.
@@alphadragonwolfwarrior6373 I see it
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 It's weird. Do you see the one of where I recommended seeing the Godzilla vs Kong battle analysis videos?
Here is the link to it if you're interested:
ruclips.net/p/PLlXydS1NZpu4_Wj3xh3gE3O2THSzGvsEU&si=nE2GSz1n84wY_Slg
Y’know, I’m starting to notice a trend with videos like this.
That trend being “Fuck everyone who doesn’t powerscale”
Another W
I am shin fanboy kinda and I kinda agree with the arguments this is the first vid / argument which makes sense
Also for g21 I never see people mentioning this he plowed through buildings too
Even funnier is the opening says HK's buildings were specifically made stronger by Apex tech.
so those are super buildings.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 lmao I didn’t know that
Glad people are cracking down on Goji-Center. The only decent vids they make are IRL and even then it’s ok at best.
Downright lying to the point where they think toothless is doing anything to MV is insane. Biggest contributor for Shin cope. Ark Aberration Rockwell one taps this overrated fodder.
Big Fat W , take notes Goji Center!
Finally it’s out🤘🤘
Just let this sit and take effect.
Question are you going to debunk shorts?
Shorts woulndt even be worth deebunking tbh
@@NotRuyaki I know but calling them out might be fun
2:41
Damn i literally saw someone on youtube comment saying the beam is comparable to mv godzilla beam last time ☠️
Godzilla junior demolishes both
How is that even fair
@@Mezgim Godzilla junior kinda survived the birth island explosion
@@SpaceWafflerYT I mean how is that fair for shin and mv
@@Mezgim completely unfair
lol
@@SpaceWafflerYT definetly😭
Not saying goji center isn’t in the wrong but I’m kind of confused by this video
1. In the first video the fight was not close legendary demolished taking basically all the points even with them lowballing his powers
2. Shin got the point for atomic weaponry because he could deploy his atomic weapon from multiple areas on his body and in quick succession
3. The 2nd video was strictly hypothetical and a complete what if scenario based off shins countering evolution taken to the extreme
Overall while they certainly lowballed legendary they still had him win with relative ease and again the 2nd video was purely hypothetical plus I doubt they expected the uprising of shin goons that would come from it
1. They had him either edge out or lose. He had more points, but it wasn't "demolishing"
2. They also DIRECTLY said Shin is superior in power to Legendary
3. That's still far too much given the known information on Shin
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 they never said shin would edge out or win they literally stated his lack of physical capabilities would cost him his life in a confrontation. Also power was never a point or parameter in the fight so that’s invalid and anyways shin has an reactive evolution which has been shown to allow him to evolve to counter mid-fight which would technically give him that attribute anyway depending on how you think power works.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 Goji center is not right but shin is the weakest godzilla in reiwa due to feats and being able to be killed by a nuke so legendary kills shin low diff also the director of shin godzilla said the nuke would've killed shin godzilla.
We know that
I'm not hating on shin it is just saying based on feats legendary wins with low effort and people always upscale his mutation but it is simply too slow and shin runs out of energy.
Goji center was wrong but you should not hate too much because this was 2 videos to a match they tried to make even all their other videos a valid for the most part.
@@Aperson324 This is the dumbest excuse you can make. Power absolutely matters. Shin being bullshit to be stronger than Legendary gives him a critical edge that is again completely untrue. They also had Shin be superior in durability, another falsehood. His evolution is also incredibly lackluster.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 bro are you serious right now? Ngl I think I lost brain cells reading this since there is 0 logic in this comment.
1. I never said power didn’t matter I said it wasn’t a parameter in the video therefore invaliding what you said earlier.
2. Did you even watch the video you’re criticizing? They never said shin was more durable in fact he didn’t even get the point
3. Shin’s evolution isn’t exactly lackluster I mean he literally evolves mid-fight to counter his enemies we just haven’t seen him fight a Kaiju so we can’t speak to how his evolution would work in an actual fight but what we have seen is much more impressive than what you’re making it up to be
W
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@@TrevorGundersonit means win
everyone can keep arguing while i just watch all these videos for fun and not cause i put much thought into it.
Kinda the problem with this fandom
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 the senseless arguing?
No brain video watching if you’re just gonna watch a video for fun and believe everything in it it’s gonna be a problem
@@suethafung7461i never said i believe what they say? i said i only watch the vids for fun
It’s called subconscious learning which I just made up and it is a troll comment
Bout time somebody drops a actual debunk video on Goji Center
no it’s about time you shut up
its weird how people think shin can fight anything kaiju related legandary granted isnt that great with kaijus that can match him like prime ghidorah and a hypothetical full power mecha godzilla but shin is fodder plain and simple
What can shin evolve to then?
@@sentinel_nightcrawler him evolving takes time it’s not instant like changing his body does but getting other abilities like the atomic breath doesn’t take as long
@@TheEnderguy059 no, shin godzilla can evolve quite fast. This was shown many times throughout the movie.
@@sentinel_nightcrawlerin the moment he does, but you’re ignoring the fact that they’re weeks apart.
@@CobbleBompster weeks? That's not what happened when he went into his second form, instantaneously. Nor the fact that he evolved the ability to shoot beams out the dorsal plates, amongst other things. Even if we give legendary the benefit of the doubt that shin would recover in weeks, it's not like legendary could instantly destroy shin.
Starting to see an increase in both uploads and video quality! Keep up the good work man! ^.^
I really love Gojicenter and have been subbed to them already but they suck at powerscaling lmao.
Common gkotm dub👍
We know nothing about scar king Godzilla 2024, or Kong 2024 but yet they have videos up about them
Yep. They might also be using leaks.
listen I know you hate goji centres videos but you can’t swear at your fan base that like goji center people have there own opinions you can’t tell them what to do so chill out and be nice to your fan base
@@isaacashby5128 and you can’t tell me what to do
How can anybody in their right mind really think shin Godzilla has any chance against legendary we all know damn well that monster verse Godzilla, absolutely destroys Shin Godzilla in a fight 20,000 times over look if you like shin Godzilla fine that’s your opinion I will respect but the power of scaling is a whole ballpark to think Shin Godzilla to be on the level or stronger than legendary, Godzilla then the your way of logic is completely and Addely baffling to scale shin that high
Shin destroys the city because it has the proper weapons to do it, but doesn’t have the weapons to do a real fist fight
Big fax and congratulations with 2k subs
Yes
5:40 Are you really going to compare nuclear weapons to creatures that feed on radiation?
Buddy the were not talking about you specifically, you are NOT the main character.
I am
What does that have to do with this video….
@@suethafung7461 0:09
@@indo7635 I still don’t understand even after 2 weeks
Well it's about time somebody made a video about Gojicenter.
Big W
I have been waiting for something like this.
Godzilla King Of The Monsters. All I need to say is amazing video. Well done, good quality, and always just factual.
Finally someone points out Goji-Center’s bull crap about having Shin and Legendary be a close battle when it is not. I also love how they tried to say you were targeting them for gore even though that isn’t the case.
And I want to make it clear for the community. Goji-Center does a decent job with real life creatures. But the same methods they use on those don’t work for his fictional matchups. He ignores people who correct him and uses size and corporal build instead of using actual points that actually matter like AP and speed.
“He just makes them for fun and entertainment” > his videos are literally stated to to be “in depth” and he literally says he wants to educate but he is terrible at it when it comes to a matchup like this. Saying Shin cutting through buildings is relative to the Hollow Earth feat, saying Shin would evolve easily and Legendary wouldn’t see it, and using Heisei’s breath temperature for MV, etc.
So, stop glazing Goji-Center. Just because he has a lot of subscribers, that doesn’t matter. What matters is that he said a lot of mis-information which isn’t good.
This video isn’t amazing dummy
@@Butterypicklemonkeycry about it little bro
so basiccly he is just like death battle
Bro its not that deep, stop being a loser 🤣
their vid saying indominus could defeat a juv skull crawler had me malding like..bruh
Shin Godzilla isn’t mail “💀” but outside of that honestly, yeah, they pretty much just simplified the characters into animals when these two are pretty much cosmic beings
Goji Center is a good channel, Not saying that your wrong but I still think he does good battle Face-Offs (excluding MV Vs Shin)
And don’t get me started on the part 2 😭
Eh
Nah
Can't even get real life stuff right
i am not fan of Goji Center because Goji Center is dope
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 Buddy your not Einstien
@@AkiraSoviecke Don't need to
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812Literally use science in every video. If you actually believe they can’t get real life right, you need help.
Hey, do plan own doing a rebirth of Mothra vid.
It’s definitely on his mind as he mentioned the scaling in the Heisei videos and we talked about it.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls ok
Not trying to be a fanboy but why so mad even though that video came out a year ago
Because this video is one of their biggest both in view count and influence over the community at large
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812still you should not be mad at them just because one of their best videos is something you don’t like
@@samgault7376its because their video is incorrect not because he just didn't like it
I agree that there not accurate but they make entertaining content which is low key lacking in the community
Such a Pablo moment
What's Pablo moment?
@@TrevorGunderson Pablo is Pablo
I feel like bro really just wants to roast every other Godzilla creator lol
2:40 nice rhyme
Nice video
Yeah, honestly legendary Godzilla would kill shin gone till like knife through butter
Who else was silently rooting for Gemstone to win against MV Goji while their fight played in the background?
Great video
Not trying to be mean i agree shin has no chance but your just trying to give all other Godzilla youtubers a bad rep they don't deserve plus the goal of that vid was to make the fight more interesting and its THEIR OPINION NOT FACT plus its not like u know everything
Gojicenter is good but at least in the battle analysis videos the winner is the truth. end I think legendary Godzilla’s atomic breath is 500,000°C is just the most amount how I can think
i've always said that Shin is visually impressive, but there is nothing that truly shows he's actually powerfully impressive compared to other godzillas.
Gojicenter is AWESOME
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
No
Lmao no
GKoTM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Goji-Center
W
Nope, Goji Center is garbage
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 That’s your opinion.
Legendary has fught two things with incredible regenerate abilities being Legendary ghidorah and shinomura
Shin has worse regenerate if it is shown with legendary ghidorah and shinomura
Do you think goji center can be right or wrong at times?
They can have a correct conclusion but the evidence will likely be faulty.
One thing: it is actually confirmed that mv Godzillas breath is 500k degrees by the Directors of mv Godzilla
No it's not
Should slide the calcs,I’ve gotten them higher but I’m interested in them since their results is formed differently from my own
I like shin but there are some odds that need to align for him to get to a point where he could stand a chance that makes it very unlikely for shin to win here
Also the point behind shin isn't to be an monster killer he is meant to be a humanity killer and a representative of its mistakes he is not supposed to be fighting other monsters its just not what shin was made for
"He CaN sPrOuT wInGs CaPaBlE oF fLiGhT"
I mean it can. Just that it’ll take time and if it’s a one fight thing ima give it to MV
Yh they lie. But its fun to watch their vids.
Debunked godzilla guy
He's not going to
Godzilla Guy ain’t debunking crap. Every time KOTM corrects him, he says “I’m not reading that”
I think what he meant was can you(Godzillakotm)debunk Godzilla guy…I think.
@@raptortristan793hi losser
Ngl shin godzilla at best is town level and the weakest legendary is country level and by weakest i mean weakest
mv goji is not weak bro he is large planet lvl at base and all kaiju like kong scale to godzilla bc they can hurt godzilla so all of the mv kaiju and godzilla are large planet lvl I think idk about skull devil things that have 2 legs
@@KaijuGameplayTv6592 like I said the weakest
@@Demoniccandidateeven the weakest version of mv isn't country level the weakened version is literally multi cont - planetary still because of the gamma ray statements applying to every version of him
@@Compy_1I'm down playing to show how much of a stomp this is
@@Demoniccandidate the video?
I remember when I was still 10 years old and thought that shin was one of the strongest Godzilla‘s, I sometimes imagine myself going inside a time machine to visit 10 year old me and tell him why shin is probably like the second weakest Godzilla to ever exist lol
The end about Godzilla guy is just unjustified, he constantly says that he is not a power scaler and takes a more realistic approach to how these battles would play out, and he also only uses on screen feats, and he says he doesn’t trust statements because they’re always inconsistent, so therefore, he never uses them. Feats are also inconsistent, for instance: Heisei goji can supposedly survive a black hole, yet he was put on his knees by a building in Godzilla vs Mothra, and saying that that building feat is stronger than a black hole is utterly insane and makes no physical logical sense, which also kind of justifies why he does not use statements
The end about Godzilla Guy is perfectly justified, especially since I found out he actually admit it after I recorded this, I tried to understand the brain of that idiot for awhile and honestly it wasn't worth the time of day. He says that NOW, after being torn to shreds about shitty opinions on scaling. He doesn't use on screen feats. He uses garbage like weight and Wikizilla, giving them credibility because they "have all the guides" which is funny cause they never really cite them. A realistic approach would be to take the statements, the feats, the information provided and come to a conclusion based on it. Arguing with the screen like a mangy baboon is not realistic at all.
Did you watch the movie? Cause that never happened. Mothra blasted him, Godzilla fell, and the building collapsed on top of him, then he stood up with zero damage. Battra who on screen crossed from the Phillipines to Japan in a couple minutes, WAY faster than lightning in speed, rams himself and a ferris wheel into Godzilla-again no damage, though it did survive until Godzilla tore it apart. Y'know before defending someone stupidly with actual dishonest, how bout don't?
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 good point, and the reason why I forgot is most likely because I barely ever watch that movie because I’m too focused on watching GVD 95, since I have an obsession with it… and I never said that he was damaged. It’s the fact that the building was able to get him on his knees. If I remember correctly, his physical body may have not been damaged, but there is no way I think stuff like that should be that inconsistent, but I digress… when was he banged on about his scaling? Is there something I missed? Out of all the videos I have watched, he has always hated it, and are you implying that he was at one point a scalar? Sorry for my stupidity if I’m wrong. now on about wiki boi, I think they often leave out their sites because they’re most likely exhausted for the amount of research they had to do and they really just don’t want to have to leave links to every single site they used, however, I can confirm that somethings that they use are definitely not satire, such as the legendary Godzilla roar creation, design changes, and a few other things, matter fact, I shall go check if I can find some of their website that they use
@@Blizzardholocron Okay. The building again didn't bring Godzilla down. Godzilla fell because of Mothra's attacks and brought the building down. How is that an inconsistency? When he tried to say powerscaling was bad, got crapped on, then did it-badly, was crapped on by both sides, and dropped it to be bad Goji Center-again, by his own admission.
Yeah? I never said they were satire? I said they're not reliable because they leave out a LOT of the information Toho's provided. Just what me and my friends have scrounged off Google is FAR more extensive-and they cite my friend High Flyers Tag team as a source. So obviously OUR work has weight.
Bro hates everyother godzilla creators expect for him self.keep using popular kaiju content creators for views you're only mad becuase goji center gives out better information and gets more views per videos then you have in your entire channel
They give shitty info to braindead roblox players and defending their trash just shows you're one of the vermin.
Theres no way you said goji center gives out better information, if this dude had a team of people he would solos godizllagay I mean godzillaguy, fda and goji chronic so hush up
These random Godzilla channels making videos debunking goji center like it’s going to do something to him 💀but Godzilla guy for some reason I really hate him it’s just something about him that I don’t like
Yeah idiots like you will be exposed as vermin.
it's still a debunk, a debunk to stop the biased shin fans lol
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 ok appreciate 💀
If gojicentre reads this comment section, I think his gonna go crazy
Im confused about this can somone explain plz?
He is debunking that goji center (youtuber about godzilla and other monsters) saying nonsenses about the shin godzilla vs mv godzilla matchup, like saying that shin atomic breath is eaqual to mv atomic breath when shin can only destroy a city at best and mv at bare minimun can destroy an island and that they used an fanmade shin form that is obiously not cannon and featless
Godzilla 2014 vs shin Godzilla 2014 wins and if yall say the evolution thing would destroy 2014 no it wouldn’t reason it’s too slow that evolution is slow Godzilla would see that and charge up his beam and destroy his ass and his beam will be stronger cause there’s no muto emp to weaken him and 2014 is faster then shin and shin needs to recharge FOR 15 DAYS or recharge in general and if shin evolve to combat Godzilla it wouldn’t be overpowered as you think he’s only gonna evolve his skin to be durable and hide since 2014 atomic breath yeah he might gonna have his neck a little longer or something so he can bite Godzilla and his arms to be longer and make his legs wider and take some of that hard armor on his body mostly on his legs feet’s and back so he can be more agile but it would barely help shin to combat 2014 cause Godzilla 2014 has more experience aka biq and iq and 2014 can pick out shin’s weakness and that he’s too stiff and shin doesn’t have a lot of muscle on his body so 2014 will still overpower him even if he evolve to have more muscle on his body he will be too heavy so Godzilla would use his own weight against him and push him over and while he’s on the ground Godzilla would atomic breath his whole body and shin won’t be able to do anything about that 2014 easy win
I really think shin it made to fight HUMAN not other kaiju:/
Fr though y'all should subscribe to goji hes cool
So when is M1 vs GMK?
GMK slams
Can you replace Goji center
Your opinion on Heisei Ghidorah vs heisei rodan?
Rodan is stronger but you could possibly argue Ghidorah can still contend with him and would barrage him with gravity beams. He would be faster though, Godzilla had no trouble tagging Ghidorah but struggled to hit Rodan.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 also does heisei Ghidorah's gravity beams also attack on a molecular level and bypass durability like show Ghidorah?
@@theunparalleledone1345 Yep-as a clone of the Showa species, he possesses all the same abilities and even some new ones. You could argue however Godzilla's atomic breath is even more potent, given it burned Ghidorah beyond his ability to heal while Godzilla began to shrug off the gravity beams.
I think you're familiar with DEATH BATTLE, in one of there Live Streams called "Hulk vs. Godzilla" for some reason like 70% of people said that the Hulk can beat any version of Godzilla, and I know for a fact that Godzilla is too powerful and could probably one shot the Hulk.
Can you make a video about this?
it depends on what version of hulk we're talking about because in the comics hulk has achieved many larger feats then godzilla but well there is also godzilla in the comics so idk
@@Gamer-lk9bf Hulk 616, someone said that this version of the Hulk can beat the Heisei Godzilla, but I know that's impossible
@@yukithemonsterguardian2337 i mean godzilla community ain't that big, which is kinda sad
In time
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 ok
I'm not trying to be a fanboy or anything but They literally say That the beam of shin Doesn't even get close to legendaries So sorry but you're wrong about that 1They never said it was close
Bro I can relate to your frustrations with these kinds of nonsense.
Shin would unironically struggle to fight ZILLA if we look at the feats
If Shin didn't have his atomic beams, he would legit lose, since Shin physical is only around 12.78 Tons of TNT while Zilla has a feat of around 83 Tons of TNT, which is almost a 6.5 times difference, apart from being far slower
The one from 1998?
@@toxicdino8676 yes
Shin really IS that weak in his current state
@@toxicdino8676 yes
Shin really IS that weak in his current state
@@lunaitor-uq9hzI thought i was the only one who knew that zilla would physically trash shin , more when zilla has town level metas
I think if shin were to evolve to counter legendary(if legendary let him), I think it would be MAXIMUM small mountain level, that’s me being generous
Toooooooo generous
@@EmilianoCharlo-xp2ny yeah, considering his fourth form was multi city block level
@@Nameless_Godzilla city level with atomic breath
City block by kinetic energy
But his hard skin get damaged by 2 large building level missiles :/
Clickbait?! They always do what they say they’re going do, where did you get that idea
From their multiple examples of click air videos what the Hell are you talking about?
I'm pretty sure they are and Goji Center was being bias
I rewatched the videos and as much as I adore Goji Center there content is starting to become clickbait and you guys may be correct,I apologize for my blinded arrogance
Pretty sure he heavily speculates
Good video bro
Godzilla did not kill the shinomura the nuke did . edit : sorry I forgot he killed one by himself
He literally killed one on screen and I showed images of it. Fuck are you on?
I stopped watching Godzilla guy because he was way too defensive in his videos to the point of being a thin-skinned crybaby. He's also way too smug and uninformed to deal with. Great video. Your power scaling is really good stuff
Thank you.
They’re just doing speculation
i like shin for being a real creature that feels pain because of us humans
and cool beams and a amazing design
GODZILLA 1984 is the Best‼️
GOJIRA IS BETTER!!!!!
1954 and Raids Again is better storywise
@@Fatigue023 1991 & 1989 are great too‼️
1995
Okay, I have a few things to say.
First of all, thank you a lot for giving some good information about Shin. I am a Shin fanboy, I believe that he can evolve into some sort of eldritch god, I believe his potential is endless, being able to go beyond known logic like ultima and also believed gojicenter's video. I never realised that there would be this much misinformation in gojicenter's video, and what you say is definitely plausible. I never even knew that Shin's beam is quite useless against Legendary. The whole exponent thing that you talked about really helped on comparing actually.
Second, Shin is what I believe a very controversial Godzilla. People are always like saying Shin can become this eldritch god that can end all of existence and all that stuff. But even as a Shin fanboy, I can clearly see and think with my brain that Shin ain't beating every godzilla. Against Ultima, IMO 50/50 I believe. Against Legendary, you pretty much debunked it. Against Earth, no explanation needed. Others he might win against. But against Godzilla in Hell? A fanboy must be foolish enough to even think Shin can defeat him. Seriously, Godzilla in Hell literally destroyed the one in charge of hell I think. He killed something that no other Godzilla has even faced yet and Shin might become what Godzilla in Hell defeated. As much as how many people say Shin is OP, I think otherwise.
Last one, for me personally, I put Shin in the middle. Middle in what? He is obviously a lot stronger than other godzilla's like the original and possibly some showa goji's and some millenium goji's. But he ain't that powerful to defeat Legendary, Earth, Godzilla in Hell, Heisei and many other. I still believe that he has the potential to become something more than he is in the movie. But people can't just assume that he can defeat Legendary with a Thanos snap. Shin is a mysterious Godzilla, a Godzilla that can either become incredibly OP or just what people say the worst godzilla. But my point here is that, he is not OP, he is not weak either. Thank you for showing that Shin can't defeat every godzilla to death. I am not a Legendary fanboy, nor an ultima or even heisei fanboy either. I am just a Shin fanboy trying to enjoy my favourite godzilla in one of the most toxic fandoms on the internet while seeing countless arguements saying which Godzilla is the best or something. >: |
Side note- F*ck you toxic fanboys, no one wants to hear you rant about your favourite godzilla just sweeping every godzilla. >:(
Still loved the video though :)
bro, shin wouldn't win millennium or showa
ever but that's ok, at least you accept that shin is not a god
Shin has a lot of potential when it comes to combat. But for him to become a god? I feel like fantasy magic or something will have to get involved with that. If you think about it, Shin would have been completely different if he fought a kaiju in his movie.
@@junkbot_james_creations yeah
Are we not going to forget that you take down all of shin?
Shin is bad at aiming his beam
You try destroying a entire city with a laser
I agree with you because most of the time they’re just guessing just like they did last year
So true
It’s as simple as this. MV Goji defeats Shin, Shin comes back better equipped to beat. If MV Goji manages to win, Shin comes back even stronger and would likely kill Goji. I don’t think Godzilla has the intelligence to destroy Shin Godzilla’s entire body, especially since he wouldn’t know how Shin Godzilla managed to come back. Classic case of MV Goji wins the fight, Shin Godzilla wins the war.
It's not. Shin dies and it ends. Once his core explodes, and it would, his entire body will be vaporized. That or Legendary just sweeps his beam around a bit and Shin's body is erased. There is nothing his adaptation can do.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 Where was it ever stated that Shin Godzilla had a core, let alone him relying on it for his evolution?
@@dangerousdictionaryjr In the guide book
@@Kiryusolosfax I don’t remember the guide book ever mentioning a core. Neither do I remember it mentioning it being responsible for his evolution. What page number is it so I can see?
Alright, so whats your point then? The ion dragon was only able to hurt godzilla because it IS NOT a nuclear bomb. We can see the oxygen destroyer nearly put an end to legendary, but not ghidorah, so "scaling" doesnt work in that field, meaning that anything that can hurt godzilla isnt always more powerful than a nuke. And we cant actually prove that monsters that can hurt legendary will survive the same type of nuke. That's just an assumption.
So why only focus on shin's 3rd form if youre so "truthful?" The whole point of the first video from goji center was literally proving how LEGENDARY WOULD WIN. The secind video was about shin surviving legendary's attack. Because, as was shown in a cutscene, shin isnt going to die even if ripped apart. Near the ending of shin godzilla, we can see that it evolved the ability to counter drone strikes, meaning that it CAN react. Is it as fast, probably not, but i wouldn't place my money of legendary if all it takes is for him to be ripped by the oxygen destroyer and nearly die to it, whereas the same wouldnt work on shin. Shin can evolve right on the spot whereas legendary needs to hybernate to go into 1 and 1 form only.
The atomic breaths are just more semantics, obviously the energy source in the monsterverse isnt that powerful if they CANNOT ACTUALLY MAKE BLACK HOLES. We've clearly been shown how easy it is for atomic energy in the minsterverse to be dissipated by the MUTOs.
If something can damage legendary Godzilla, and legendary can tank a nuke no problem, then their Ap is greater than that of a nuke. Simple, and the oxygen destroyer just scales above every nuke he’s ever tanked. And Ghidorah survived it unharmed because of his hax and him being an alien counters the oxygen destroyer. Scaling work perfectly here.
Goji center clearly tried to make it a fair fight despite legendary winning. It was a deleted scene and that doesn’t mean anything.
Shin reacting to the bombers is like subsonic. Legendary’s atomic breath is near light speed and can physically react to beings that dodge it. Shins evolution barely improves his abilities. It took him 15 days of recharging and evolving to control his energy slightly more.
The only way for shin to evolve is if legendary just decides to leave. And legendary’s atomic breath hard counters regeneration as the case with the shinumora, who is pretty much just a stronger version of shin.
@@Godzilla_Mechagodzilla the first bit seems like the unevident assertion that was brought up, we have no evidence that the ion dragon could survive the nuke. Obviously, godzilla's greatest power is to absorb radiation, and what the other kaijus used to injure godzilla wasn't radiation, so we can say that what damages him are other means. Actually, ghidorah survived the oxygen destroyer because he wasn't an organism who breathed air, and that's practically the only reason.
Even if the scene was deleted, it was stated several times that shin godzilla can replicate if pieces of him were to have broken out.
Yes, it took him 15 days, but then right after, shin was able to evolve a much greater means of energy storage, to the point that he was seen using his atomic breath again after all the nuclear fuel burnt out. Shin's own atomic breath is much more concentrated than that of legendary, meaning that it won't disperse as easily as legendary godzilla's. Ghidorah and Kong were able to dodge legendary's atomic breath and it isn't like they themselves could actually move at near light speed.
Not exactly, shin is able to evolve during the battles with the Japanese military. Once he got his dorsal plates damaged, he evolved by developing back lasers, once he got exposed to the sun, he developed darker skin with a rougher texture. He was also able to locate drones without needing to see them and accurately disperse of them. He is stated to be an extremophile, which are earth's most durable organisms (hence the freezing up after burning out). Legendary would need to destroy every single cell to completely eradicate shin godzilla. Which by then, shin godzilla would evolve to counter. And by what we've seen of the monsterverse, it doesn't seem like legendary can actually do if he had the time.
@@sentinel_nightcrawler Once again, the ion dragon damaging Godzilla when a nuke can’t do that is proof the ion dragon’s Ap is superior to that of a nuke. What about that is so hard to understand? You have to take into consideration the BLAST of the nuke and Godzilla emerges unscathed, from the blast. And yet the ion dragon is able to damage him. This means that the ion dragon’s Ap is above the blast of a nuke. And if we scale his Ap to his durability than he’s above a nuke. Simple. That’s your evidence. And Ghidorah doesn’t breathe air. Sure. But that doesn’t change the fact that there is an inverse excuse for Ghidorah emerging from the oxygen destroyer unscathed. And it’s not an anti feat to Godzilla. Since, again the oxygen destroyer scales above every nuke legendary has tanked. You can use scaling for this
Once again, Legendary Godzilla’s atomic breath hard counters regeneration. Again, Shinumora. So shin regenerating from small pieces means nothing.
Shins breath being thinner doesn’t mean shit. Shin didn’t even fully destroy the area around him and only cut through buildings at the peak of his power. Meanwhile legendary not even trying drilled through 5000 miles of the earth. That’s not comparable. And shins beam visually looking more concentrated than legendary doesn’t mean that it is.
Ghidorah and Kong very clearly react to it. Ghidorah directly dodges it. And Godzilla can react to their physical attacks. That’s way better than reacting to stealth bombers who are again subsonic. Yeah their movement speeds aren’t light speed but their reaction times and combat speed are.
Shin being a extremophile doesn’t mean anything. Shin freezing up after firing his beam proves he doesn’t scale to it. It consistency takes shin days to evolve major changes and that’s more than enough time for legendary to eliminate shin. And once again, shinumora is a better version of shin and legendary killed it with one good blast.
@@Godzilla_Mechagodzilla for one. It's established that absorbing the radiation doesn't do anything when the movie brings up that there's still the actual blast of the bomb. Which Godzilla took that to the face. He legitimately tanked all the bombs because he took their blasts and then proceeded to feed on the radiation
@@berserkerjeanne7563 Yes, which is why it’s stupid to say that ion dragon and other creatures that damage Godzilla don’t scale to that blast when they directly do.
FINALLY, someone points out the bullcrap from those videos
Indeed
Bro it is 500,000 what talking about
He showed the official temperature
>Movie shows otherwise
I feel like your forgetting how shin heals and how does shina beam takes time cuz in the moive starts of as black smoke then turning that smoke in to fire before coming a beam
I'm just saying
My gammers bad
I didn't, Legendary dealt with a monster that has better healing than Shin with a good blast.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 mb then
I forgot to mention this did you know you got to destroy all of the shin including his cells shin 😭 s not like other Godzillas I think you should watch the movie to it's cool :D
by the way
how strong would it be a legendary godzilla highballed to maximum capacity?
like full force, maybe making use of his evolved state or thermonuclear state sinse we don't know how strong is the evolved form and thrmonu lear form
At a high ball I think Legendary reaches star level-low solar system.
An accurate scale is continental
@@DreamworksEnjoyer well i mean high balled seems unreasonable... but we can take it as good for the final wars vs mv video
Films only small planetary, the power up is thousands of times onto his multi continental base form
Novels included at least planetary in base, far higher with forms
Everything he's at least dwarf star level in base form
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 not gonna lie i can't wait for the new empire to drop and i can't wait to see how strong legendary godzilla will be by watching your scaling video when you will do it
Ok. I have to disagree with you on one point. It's been announced by official sources that Legendary Godzilla's Atomic Breath is 500k degree Celsius. You are also showing some hate and dishonesty here. No one is perfect okay. So Gojicenter could be wrong but you could be wrong too. And why are you reacting to this almost a year and a half later buddy