I’m up to 165,000 miles in a 2015 S85D. Owned since new. My old car - a petrol Audi cost 39p/mile to run, the Model S has cost about 7p/mile to run, not including depreciation. That’s a saving of over £50,000 in running costs over the last 7 years and the crazy thing is I can claim business mileage at a rate of 45p/mile (through the company I work for) meaning I’m in profit of around 38p/mile for much of it’s current use. It’s probably not far off break even point whereby it’s savings in running costs have almost equalled it original purchase price of a shade under £70k. Long may it last! And free (albeit slow) supercharging at a time when petrol and diesel is £2.00/litre!
@@RBcymru I do a lot of motorway miles so have been getting pretty consistently 35,000 miles out of a set. This is not the same for rear wheel drive cars! The tyres I have used have been around £170/tyre, so works out as 2p/mile for tyres which is factored in to my 7p/mile running costs.
Hi Richard, bought my p90d from you. It’s quite simply the best car I have ever owned. Upgraded the MCU last year. It’s at 104,000 miles , no issues mechanically apart from a couple of door handle failures and leaking tailgate fixed under warranty. The battery capacity has decreased to from 250 to 230 miles but fine for commuting. I travel from Derbyshire to London every week and have have free supercharging, it saved me thousands !
P90DL nice! I have one too!!! Luckily last owner upgraded everything including the MCU before I got my hands on it. I love it and agree it's the best car I've ever owned despite owning some pretty nice cars in the past 😀 and I too am from Derbyshire 😁👍
@@Teslabull One thing to remember about the range the car was originally marketed with is that, that is in the absolute best conditions. Range will fluctuate depending on weather driving habits etc. so I usually take between 30-50km off the rated range when looking at new cars. Also most of the degradation is after the first two years or of ownership (well with the newer cars anyways, not sure about pre facelift model S's) the degradation of the battery will slow down after that, according to articles I've read. tbh for a car hats 7 years old that's not too bad, considering we ave fast chargers and stuff now.
You should also note that only charging to 90% to help prevent battery degradation plus 10% to 12% loss over the years accounts to over 70 miles off the brand new car charged to 100%. Added to that motorway use will also cost range
I have a new shape March 2017 S 75 now on 140k , practically every option ticked. I’ve just done 10k since I bought it 10 months ago, one of the last to have free supercharging , it’s cost me £179 for 10k miles as we have a supercharger 5 miles away. I’ve done the CCS and MCU2. Only maintenance is a drivers door handle and set of tyres when I bought it. Car is absolutely like new, I’ve wrapped the chrome gloss black, tinted it ( I’m a tinter) and added a little carbon fibre rear spoiler and that’s it. I’ve be a car dealer on and off for 30 years, had thousands of cars and this is the best car by a country mile, I could go on but won’t bore you. Keep up the excellent work Richard , it was you who convinced me to buy it. Thank you sir......
Spoke to a tesla engineer last time i visited my Tesla repair center, it will cost about 9000 euro to get a new refurbished battery installed in a tesla Model S out of warranty, not bad! i was ready to hear 15k or even 20k lol
Usually engineers would be designing Teslas, engineers being highly skilled STEM professionals with equivalent academic qualifications to doctors and medical consultants. Just Say’n
Run Model S P85 120,000 UK miles. Drive unit at 35,000 (the P models hammer them a bit more) done under warranty and as I understand it Tesla have changed the bearing design to deal with the side thrust so drive units now last for ever. Battery at 75,000 (it always had a water leak seems that on a hot day on the Midlands race way it went into 70 mph turtle mode and reported battery fault) Tesla detected it from Freemont at 2am their time! There was an email waiting for me, new battery on way and loaner, was swapped out in 2 days! Agree with you the RWD have pin sharp steering, I prefer the yacht floor center consol, can still get 250 miles+ range, love the free charging and giant frunk, just fitted tow bar. Seats and leather just fine (no wear on the B pillar trim). I run 19" black powder coated wheels on my pearlesent white with cream interior and no sunroof (which aids the handling lowering the c of g, that sun roof is heavy). Buy cheap as chips tyres £80 a corner and get 20,000 out of a set ( rotate at 10,000). All in all a brilliant car, Ive a Roadster and Plaid on order but you know its going to be tough to get rid of this machine Ah yea on my 3rd door handle! also at 100,000 miles TPMS went kerput Tesla developed a wiring harness and software to fit the latest version ecu and sensors that actually show pressures £1,400 all in.
@@bikeman123 Someone else just said £9k from Tesla. But, if it's a 100k warranty, that's £900 per 10k miles, and you save that on (for instance) "BMW" (etc) required service to maintain limited warranty, and warranty extension.... (Just in case the engine goes at 80k?) . But if it's a cell that goes down, repairable.
I’ve a 65 plate, P85, 7 seater, spec like yours. 70k miles, had new motor, brakes, air suspension replaced on front one side, rear mirror, front window as black was coming off on edge, and lots of other bits and bobs. Tesla changed everything without quibble and you expect this on a new model (especially early electric) so was prepared for this. I love it it’s so fast, and comfortable and economical (super charger network and solar at home) costs virtually nothing for electric. It looks the dogs. Rear lights have the flies in and Tesla would not change them, they said to jet wash them. I was a bit tight and put some cheap all weathers all round, they have done 20k at least and still look and perform great.
@@TraderJono how many kJ of energy does it take to produce and run a Tesla over 10 years, how many kJ of energy has it taken to produce and run my 1992 Mazda to date? Just cause your not putting petrol in a tank doesn’t make it green. Where and how do they mine lithium refine it, ship it before putting it in a battery.
Refrigerators are commonly the most reliable machine that people own due to them leveraging the most basic of technologies. Cars are the most technologically complex products that a regular consumer can buy, 2nd only modern and complex digital-ready households. Your statement has no bearing upon this discussion at all.
Just had to get the brake discs & pads done on our 65 plate Zoe, with 50k miles on the clock, not because they'd warn out but because they had rusted from lack of use. I now know to make sure they get used from time to time.
My 2013 P85 has over 156.000 miles. Also did the MCU2 and CCs upgrade. Not because it needed it. Just because its is nice and possible and makes the car even beter!!
Hey Richard, I have a 2018 Models S P100D with Ludicrous Plus in black. Has done 40,000 miles as of today. I had the MCU 2 upgrade and have the CCS charger upgrade. I've found it so easy to live with, and its very cheap to run. No major issues, my local Tesla service location has been brilliant with sorting out minor squeaks etc. Absolutely the best car I've ever owned. I was thinking about swapping it for a newer version when they arrive in the UK, but based on your excellent video I will just keep it and run it for as long as I can, especially as they have appreciated in value
Got my 2014 P85 from you last October and this video has totally made me want the MCU2 upgrade. Great video and great team during sales 👍 Also saved £1000 on 6000miles compared to 42mpg Avensis and local Asda fuel costs, seriously have a geeky spreadsheet that monitors it all 🤓
@@techbysteff4829 yes, that is why I got the CCS adapter which came with the upgrade. As far as I am aware all early S/X can get the CCS upgrade in Europe.
I do think it is good to show an older car is still worth having. too many people keep saying it will breakdown and be no good after a time period. and I do find it weird how people say it cost more to run an electric car, then compare a large sized ev vs a small sized petrol
I have a s85 2015 , love the free sc, it's done 121k now , repair costs have been tyres and tracking , 1400 for mcu but that's an upgrade the door handles are the main bug bearer , I am into my 2nd repair next week , so that's 2 that's gone in 8 months of ownership , 14000 and I've spent 60 quid on electric still an amazing car and drives faultless , range is brilliant too , 91% to 11% so 80% of use and I got nearly 200 miles , who needs an expensive model 3 or x , still a 30k car all day long and with the free supercharging it'll keep it's value I expect for at least another year maybe 2 mines still on the original brakes too tesla said it was 20% and 30% wear which for 116k at the time that's remarkable what a car !!!!
The LCD iPad panel often leak LCD fluid The drive motors are known for premature bearing failure and the new upgraded motors are to new to tell if the problem is solved. The main batteries are hit n miss ... Life spans are all over the place. If you get a cell go bad it will take the rest with it. My customer has just got his back after needing a new battery at 80k miles... New battery costs £24,000. Batteries are hard to get hold of and currently take 3 to 6 months!
Richard, great review! Our 2012 S85 has 129K mi on it, only repair out of warranty was the AC compressor, at 105K. During warranty had motor whine, welded contactor, LCD screen and eMMU covered. Rock solid, still gets 245+ miles on full charge. Hoping for another decade of use! SuC are really gold, and this one is free, plus transferable to the next owner!
Hehe. I don't see Symons selling that S85 any time soon [EDIT: and I wrote that line well before Richard says he wasn't selling]. Carry on. - 8 years old and still up to date with the majority of EVs and way ahead of all ICE cars. And it doesn't suffer the ICE constant vibration which truly ages a car over its lifetime range. We have to reassess mileage, when it comes to BEVs.
@@sahhull You will loose about 3 to 5% capacity over the first 2 years. The battery chemistry will settle down and then LEVEL out. Less range in winter as the battery chemistry is different at different temperatures. Batteries like 20 to 25 degrees Celsius.
2014 with 143K miles. Replaced rear drop links to correct slight camber difference that caused uneven tire wear. Replaced 12v battery. And tires. And upgraded memory chip... 95% supercharged, so basically no energy cost.
One thing to note is that on older Model S cars you don't want too low of mileage, my P90DL only had 34k when I bought it last year, and due to sitting around for most of its life belonging to a doctor that traveled out of country many months of the year, some of the suspension parts needed to be replaced, I had to replace Lower Aft Links, 205.00 Each + 1238.00 (labor and alignment) (covered by extended warranty), and rear Camber Toe Links 190.00 Each (1600.00 Labor and alignment) (covered by extended warranty). I did the MCU 2 + Radio upgrade for 2000.00 last year and replaced one seatbelt 130.00. Spent 826.00 in charging to go 22,000mi the app says I have saved 2523.00 in gas, however, since I went from a full size truck to the model S I believe I have saved double that ;0).
When I see vids like this, and when they took apart your model Y to fix it, I don’t get why there is so much criticism about Tesla build quality. Esp when you have to include the quality of mechanics. A 100,000 mile ICE car you would expected oil leaks etc, and the seats looking rough. This looks no worse, maybe even better, than equivalent ICE.
There is so much criticism… because journalists are basically human excrement.. Everything you read in the press about Tesla is a big lie. Buy a Tesla (or borrow one ) and you will see what I mean.
The appearance of a 100,000 mile car depends almost solely on the owner. 4 waxes a year,, weekly washes, regular interior scrubbing, damage repair, quarterly leather treatments, fixing blemishes, parking in the garage, avoiding salted roads, car cover, daily use of interior dash sunscreen, underbody washes, replacing pitted windshields, intensive maintenance, early fluid and lubricant replacement, lubricating latches and seals and keyways, polishing faded headlamps... It's about the owner, not the car.
Tesla have no PR dept,do not pay for reviewers, or for Writers to attend car shows. Most every car company has a plethora of reviewers set up in 5 star hotels and treated like royalty for events throughout the year in return getting first looks on new cars. There has been smere campaigns too from Gates and other manufacturers. Tesla doesn't media, and media doesn't like it
My 20 year old Vauxhall Combo diesel van with 450,000 miles on the clock, still on its original engine and gearbox. The seats are fine and no oil leaks.
If i purchased a Tesla and the power train and battery last to 150,000 miles I would be fully satisfied. Lots of cars fall apart around 140 and start needing major repairs. I dont buy luxury and the cost of major repairs of any luxury including Tesla arent cheap. Tesla has already reached parity with Ice cars where it counts, plus their cool fast and cheaper to "fuel". My next car will be a Tesla.
I have the exact same Tesla that has also just come out of warranty here in Norway. Admittedly I have had a few simple problems that are now dealt with. Had to upgrade the old modem with the latest LTE version for £150 but hey, big improvement. One of the back lights got water inside but that was changed free of charge. My footwells started to get wet after heavy rainshowers but that was tracked down to a simple blocked drainage hole. I had the 12 volt battery replaced for a total cost of £120 including fitting. I've clocked up 130,000 kilometres but my insurance company covers both the battery and the drive train upto 200,000 kilometres so no worries just yet. Also have free internet connectivity including Spotify and of course unlimited free charging, which is transferable if I decide to buy a new Tesla, which is nice. Best car I have ever driven.
I simply adore my 2017 S 75D. Hike up and down the country in it and it’s a joy. We have a MODEL 3 SR+ too and, whilst it’s more modern in feel, I go with the S every time. It’s a car you drive for yourself whereas the Model 3 is more of a passenger experience with all the tech on display in the middle. On the S, much of that same tech is on the binnacle behind the wheel and it makes you feel more like a chauffeur than a show-off 😋 Great to see one of the older ones still going strong. I can’t see me changing the S anytime soon so great to see a story about how long they can plough on!
Are you still with SR+? Sell it quickly. I had one of first SR+ Feb 2019 from Fremont. I waited a long time for it. Unbelievable introduction to the brand. But I also had no intention of keeping it, after 3 years and 75k miles, I was shocked to see the battery degradation was very poor. New 240-5 range Down to 203 at 100% In fact Tesla changed their battery chemistry for their current budget cars due to SR+. Not alot of people know this. . . My 2015 S with 143k @100% 238 miles. / 10 years old With battery deg at only 8%. Model S 2015+ > model3
Tesla Model S 90D 2015 with 125k on the clock goes like a dream and probably get about 255 of its originally claimed 270 miles but really not an issue especially with FREE supercharging. Local chargers are also free so costs are minimal to run this car. Got the MCU2 which was well worth it and the CCS convertor but to early at £500 😞. Plan never to change this car it has needed very little but I really do want to follow the "Triggers Brush" policy...
My brother has recently clocked 240,000 miles on his 2015 model S and the battery packed up with just 5 months warranty left on the battery, Tesla has recently replaced the battery but they did mention it would of cost £16000 without the warranty.
My 2018 68 plate has 70k, had front driveshafts and clicking front suspension repaired under warranty. Driver's door handle too. Otherwise, no issues. White pearl on air with enhanced autopilot. I love it. Biggest issue is what to replace it with. Can't love the 3 or Y. Have a Plaid confirmed price on order, don't know how to afford to buy it! 😍😍😅😅
If it works for you then why replace?! Software updates will keep it current. Just imagine how much you’d have to spend trying to run an ice equivalent. Then perhaps you would be happy to hang onto it in these troubled times!
Lots of people in the comments getting new battery's whilst in warranty. They're happy because the warranty covered it but these cars seem like one to avoid once out of Teslas warranty.
I test drove a Model S six years ago. The only reason I didn’t go ahead with my order is that I didn’t like the (excessive) torque steer. Looking back, I suspect Tesla Solihull actually had a damaged/faulty car as a demo (the low-experience youngsters working there, totally unsuited to the job ) I regret not buying it ! It wasn’t until 2022 that I joined the clan with a MY !
My Tesla Model S (June 2014-purchased in July 2016 with Free SCH for life), has had a new motor after 4 years, and a new battery at 7.25 years both replaced under warranty. However now with 103k miles, the power steering seized up, and Tesla MK discovered all cables of the PS and of the air con had suffered serious water damage ( Power hose washing no doubt, with large body panel gaps) I am saddled with a bill of £9K!
My Koala turned 100,000 while on a 2000 mile trip to St Tropez and back last week . . Was I concerned ???? Nah not on your nelly.. .Gonna keep "Tango" for as long as I can. . Now where's my phone to book in that MCU2 upgrade 👍👍👍👍
2014 P85+ 177,748 miles. Nothing major's gone wrong with the car and still going strong. I'm at the point where the air suspension is sagging at the rear so will be changing the air suspension soon.
I have a 2013 Vaxhall Ampera which gets me to work etc in EV mode daily. It’s so cheap to run compared to ICE cars I’ve owned before I feel like it’s free motoring, I don’t have a monthly motoring budget any more, it just falls into other things. I’m hoping companies start making aftermarket batteries for EV’s and PHEV’s, my cars battery density is around 89kWh-kg, I think Gotion are working on 360kWh-kg batteries now, an aftermarket battery for the Chevy Volt/Ampera with Gotion batteries would increase it’s range to 160 miles EV. Leafs, Zoe’s, older Tesla’s with aftermarket batteries would have excellent ranges , be reliable, and be affordable, in fact this is how I see EV’s becoming affordable for most people.
My late 2014 Model S 85 has 252,000km. It’s had two motor replacements and 1 MCU under warranty but almost everything else is original. I have recently upgraded the MCU as 3G will soon close down in Australia not because there was anything wrong with the existing MCU. When the car was new I charged it to 100% and it indicated 488Km rated range; the last time I charged it to 100% that had fallen to 445Km so it’s lost about 10% range. I don’t have a job where I could claim tax benefits so I saved for 8 years to be able to pay cash for it. Since then it has taken us on lots of cheap holidays with free supercharging and has cost very little to run at other times. I’ll probably keep it for another 5 or 6 years at least but have no idea what I will replace it with as they have stopped RHD Model S and nothing else comes close IMHO.
207k miles on my 2013 P85. Motor replaced 5 times. Battery pack died right after 8 yr warranty expired. $12k to replace. Sold it. I am starting to suspect that Tesla software knows there are battery problems but "holds off breaking down" until right after warranty expires, so that they don't have to pay for it. it is all done in software.
My customer has just had his battery fail at 80,000 miles... £24,000 to replace the battery and a 3 to 6 month wait because the parts supply to the UK is garbage. He's lost count of how many door handles he's had replaced.
Here in Australia we have a 2015 85D with 85000km (52000Miles). Very similar situation to your car, whereby I've upgraded to MCU2, CCS adaptor, got 22kW twin chargers, free Supercharging and 4G connectivity. Luckily our electricity supply is the same as UK, and I'm an electrician... so I have 3 phase supply at home and able to charge at 22kW (110kmh). I love the car and our setup, but was getting concerned as the car aged about battery degradation or other things going wrong. We previously owned an early model Nissan Leaf, so we were a bit apprehensive of the battery loosing capacity. I had intended to upgrade before now, but after reading so many reports of the reliability as time goes on, and battery degradation is nothing like so many predicted, that we are happy to keep our car and enjoy it for years to come. Thanks for posting this video, it reinforces my decision to keep the 85D.
I live in French alps have a 2015 85d with 230,000 kms on it, i have driven it for approx. 100,000kms. Last time i calculated degradation i was about 90% soh, I get about 400kms/250miles with 100% charge. Car charges up to 130kw but only for about 2 sec before dropping back to about 80 -90 kw. I had a few problems to resolve, faulty sunroof, 1000euros, 3 door handles, approx 300 euros each. CCS upgrade, MCU2 1500Euros. 12v battery 200 euros, battery cooling pump, 300euros. I'm lucky if i get 30,000 kms with tyres but I'm always driving up and down cols so might be a worse case scenario for tyre wear. I have recently switched to Hankook Ion tyres which seem to be lasting longer, and giving a minor range increase at slow speeds. Overall been a good car, but you need to have funds for expensive repairs. Car is much more reliable now than when i bought it 4 years ago. Most of the faults i listed above occurred in the first year of ownership. I'm just coming out of battery/drivetrain warranty so fingers crossed.....
I just bought a 2015 P85D with 74,000 miles and promptly drove it 4,000 miles on a road trip using just free Superchargers. The Tesla App says I've saved $1,170 over a gas vehicle so far. One of the door handles just broke and one of the wheels makes a bit of noise on bumps, which I'm getting looked at in a couple of weeks. I should still come out ahead even after repairs.
The tour around the car takes me back a few years to watching videos on these cars. It looks awesome with those wheels, for me it's still the best looking Tesla.I'm also a fan of that display behind the wheel, especially the section that shows instant consumption or regen and the speed. They combined that wonderfully. I like that so much more than the green/grey line on my Model 3. It's a shame that nowadays they don't charge as fast as before but I guess it's a reasonable compromise if that has benefits in battery longevity. I think it's still a great option for someone who wants a used long range cruiser. Great analysis 👍
I have a question ... is it true that if you charge your battery to 100% then drain it to near empty it shortens the battery life as I have been told to charge to no more than 90% and never to drain below 30% to extend battery life
How many door handles have been replaced? I know of one car that needed 3 driver door handles and a passenger door one. When I sold an ice car to We Buy Any Cxx the man valuing our car stated a few Tesla's were being sold to them and the drivers didn't want another one. One car needed a motor, battery repair / replacement, screen upgrade, door handles and the panel gaps were a joke. Tesla did fix the car under warranty each time but the car was off the road for ages. Tesla seem to struggle to fit the car servicing in as they are short of technicians and service centres. However thank you Tesla for opening up the charger network because at least Tesla thought ahead unlike our government. Tesla's are nice but so over priced and badly put together (possibly better now they are made in China). Audi ETRON Technik £73,000 and not worth it. I do have a new EV but a lot cheaper than Tesla, Audi or Mercedes.
Believe it or not, no handles needed repairs or replacements on this S. We can repair handles but on this one they’ve been brilliant. Not sure where you are but there are plenty of Tesla service centres in UK. The quality of the builds has improved over the years but funnily enough these older models are sometimes better build than new models from about 2017.
I put my model three on we buy any car and eventually threatened them to leave me alone. I think you’re we buy any car bod was giving you the runaround. My 2019 M3 is currently worth seven grand more than I paid for it.
I just hit 200K miles on my 2013 Tesla model S. Currently charging up to 233 miles max. My biggest expense was $2K replacing the computer screen…. Other than that, just tires.
@@carlosvelasquez9922 S85D base, bought it used in 2015 with 15K miles on it. I don’t have it anymore. It had 230K miles when someone T-boned me. Insurance gave me 13K for it. I have a Model Y now.
@@vitob1882 you bought it almost new , so the battery pack was never replaced in over 200,000 miles . Sounds great. Sorry for asking questions, hope I'm not bothering. How many miles at 100% charged when you bought it compared when the accident happened???
@@carlosvelasquez9922 when I bought it , it was charging 238 miles full. At the crash time, it was 233. I typically charged it to 190 or 200 at home. Filled it up for long trips. I used to travel Tampa-Miami once a week or so.
I was think of a used Tesla model s . Just watched this from a year ago & was taken back by the value then £32k ish & now older Tesla s can be had for under £20k with lower miles. I’m so glad I didn’t buy last year & now I’m a bit put off buying at all. On the other hand newer lower miles model s are available for £20k - £27k so maybe it’s still an option. I’ll watch the market for a little while longer I think. Good informative vid though.
Really interesting video Richard, I remember looking at them in 2014 and was worried about the residual value as no PCP Deals available then so didn’t buy one and instead bought a brand new BMW X5, which my wife still drives. Can’t remember how much the Tesla would have cost then, but the BMW was c.£55k and probably worth £23kish today; however I think the fuel bill on the X5 might be a bit higher over the past 7 years!
If people’s concern about the battery is that they’ve lost some total capacity and range, that’s a small issue if it completely failed that would be an entirely different matter
I literally watched a video today by Bjørn Nyland where he was showing a series on the repair of a failed model S pack. Note "Repair", not replacement. They hooked up a 12v battery, plugged in an OBD2 dongle with scanmytesla, (pro version) and it listed the condition of every cell block (not just module) Including the very specific one with the fault. I suspect they will open the lid, snip the connection to the bad cell and reassemble. (It will lose 1/8900th of its previous energy) . Try that with a "failed" ICE car?
My Brothers 2015 modal S has 240,000 miles on it and the battery has recently failed and was replaced under warranty by Tesla. Tesla did say if the warranty had ran out the repair would of cost £16,000
Hearing things like "only 50 kWhr" for public charging makes me chuckle since my non-Tesla gets only 7 kWhr from the local Volta public chargers. So I would be very happy if the used Model S that I have my eye on gets "only" 50.
FYI - Cost of Battery Replacement for Model 3 is $12K USD. So, this information is now available. Not cheap and you don't even get a brand new battery pack but a refurbished one
@Rsymons RSEV could zou please tell me if i can just install the rear seats in trunk but store them in mz garage? or if the car does not have it originaly it means that even can't install them to seat the kids there?
Thanks and a very informative update on your Model S. Will have one of these in my sights next year for sure. We need a UK version of Gruber Motors from the USA over here.
My brothers 2015 model S has done 240,000 miles and battery recently failed with just 5 months warranty left on the battery, Tesla replaced after having to import one and my brother was informed that if the warranty had run out the cost would been £16000
My customer was quoted £24,000 for a new model S battery.. His failed at 80,000 miles. There is currently a 3 to 6 month wait as the parts supply chain is garbage.
07:33 but you don't do you? You have to squat because the floor isn't low enough. I got a ride home from the airport in a model 3 in the back and it wasn't comfortable.
I bought i model S 2013 Base , i have no idea what the history of things replaced on the car. 100,000 miles . Everything works well, feels like its gonna run forever
I don't understand why people keep saying it cost "next to nothing", but never factor in the cost of insurance, which covers all the savings on gas! it cost more than 2k more than a honda crv per year, which is more than what I would have spent on gas.
@@michaelgbj OMG, is that real? We paid 1350CHF, which around 1450USD for Full Casco (so total cover). Of course they will not pay you the price of the new car, but also you will get more than what is on market. I am paying similar for my new Tesla Model 3 ( 2022 model). BMW 5 530x would be surely more than what we pay for Tesla Model S. It is also important that young drivers will always pay much higher premium, maybe even 4000 for a fast car (which Teslas are).
Love your videos Richard 🙏 When you take negative depreciation into a ‘no brainer’ as they say. I am sure negative depreciation will not last forever, but at £9 a gallon I am ecstatic with my M3 LR purchase March last year, which also seems to be worth more than I paid for it. My car is Shanghai built with perfect build and pearl white paint finish like glass 😁 Not been near a garage or petrol station since. I could never go back to ICE car.
Blimey, where do you get fuel at £9 a gallon, it’s all about £10 here in the south Devon. 😂 my EV (eNiro) has run off 84% solar since January. So cheap to run it’s ridiculous.
@@maxflight777 I use UK Octopus GO tariff, which gives 4 hours overnight @ 7.5p/Kwh, which I reckon gives me 29Kw, so comfortably 100 miles for around £2!
I'm looking to purchase a 2015 model s 85 here in AU with 47000 Km on the clock, for about 68K, this car has already had the rear motor and MCU replaced and is upgraded to use the CCS. My question is around the door handles that fail, I was wondering if they can be repaired or if they require full replacement?
What's annoying is that they haven't fitted powered tailgate to Model 3's until 2021. And this car is 8 years old and has it. An electric car without powered tailgate is embarassing. That's why and for some other benefits i changed my 2020 model 3 lr (economical but pretty bland and bareboned car) to 2022 Model 3 Performance. And hoping to keep it more than 10 years. Absolutely love it.
Not that happy about this video or some of the comments. Can we have more negative talk about these older Model S's please, so I can get one for a good price. ;)
My one question, an important question. What happens if you sell a Tesla "as a trader" and the battery fails after a month or so of new ownership. Who pays for the replacement battery, a lot costlier than an engine component.
If it's under 8 years old and 100K miles the Tesla warranty would cover it. if it's older than that as Richard mentioned you probably would get someone to repair the modules that had failed.
Great Video! I’ve got a 2017 Model X 75D (around 45,000 miles) and had an OG 2014 model S 85, everything working well apart from the touchscreen is quite slow (need to upgrade to mcu2) and the battery only charges to 174 Miles (I keep the range on rated rather than typical, does this really matter?) but it used to charge to around 230. I plan on the keeping the car until the 2021 plaid refresh is available in the UK. Tesla’s website says they will replace the battery after “70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.” And since 174 is 73% ‘retention’ of the quoted 238 miles full charge of the 75D, should I wait until it gets to 70% retention and then ask tesla to replace the battery as it is still in warranty? My other question was weather tesla would still replace the battery as the range is set to rated? Any help on this would be great.
Excellent video and a great example of the longevity of electric vehicles. Far too many people hung up over the " I bet the batteries dont last" or ' but the range is rubbish". Yes if you look hard enough you will find one or two niggles with Tesla cars but thats the same with any car manufacturer. If an early one such as your S can be as good it bodes well that the newer model 3 and Ys should hopefully have the same lifespan if not better.
This video and reading some of the comments has reignited my desire for a model S. I have a question regarding why there are not any imported Model S from Europe. Ive not seen one on the roads in the UK, Would the free super charging and status still remain regardless of where the car originates from? Or is it country specific ?
I have heard the door handles are a problem. You never had to replace one? I know there are aftermarket replacements which are better quality and longer lasting, so I hear.
I love my 129k miles RWD 2016 Facelift 70 more than everything! Still have 230miles range on a good day and two years left on the warranty! However yesterday I cheated her a little bit.🥲 I reserved an Aptera.😎
IMHO the value of secondhand Tesla Model S is only going up, since they aren't making any more... (RH drive, that is). I sold my five year old S, but now wishing I hadn't, and considering buying another!
Really interesting video, just wish Tesla did a different looking car as not keen on the current cars looks. I prefer the looks of cars like the id4 from VW.
You may be right. The only fly in the ointment that I can see is spare parts. Tesla doesn't have a good reputation in this regard. A Model Y owner in Germany had an accident on the day he picked up his car at Gruneheide. One of the first MiG cars. It is still at the menders as of this moment. He can't get the parts.
I’m up to 165,000 miles in a 2015 S85D. Owned since new. My old car - a petrol Audi cost 39p/mile to run, the Model S has cost about 7p/mile to run, not including depreciation. That’s a saving of over £50,000 in running costs over the last 7 years and the crazy thing is I can claim business mileage at a rate of 45p/mile (through the company I work for) meaning I’m in profit of around 38p/mile for much of it’s current use. It’s probably not far off break even point whereby it’s savings in running costs have almost equalled it original purchase price of a shade under £70k. Long may it last! And free (albeit slow) supercharging at a time when petrol and diesel is £2.00/litre!
Wow powerful info there!
It's not 7p per mile as it's eletric so it's free.
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Is tyre wear an issue? How many miles and at what cost per tyre?
@@RBcymru I do a lot of motorway miles so have been getting pretty consistently 35,000 miles out of a set. This is not the same for rear wheel drive cars! The tyres I have used have been around £170/tyre, so works out as 2p/mile for tyres which is factored in to my 7p/mile running costs.
Hi Richard, bought my p90d from you. It’s quite simply the best car I have ever owned. Upgraded the MCU last year. It’s at 104,000 miles , no issues mechanically apart from a couple of door handle failures and leaking tailgate fixed under warranty. The battery capacity has decreased to from 250 to 230 miles but fine for commuting. I travel from Derbyshire to London every week and have have free supercharging, it saved me thousands !
P90DL nice! I have one too!!! Luckily last owner upgraded everything including the MCU before I got my hands on it. I love it and agree it's the best car I've ever owned despite owning some pretty nice cars in the past 😀 and I too am from Derbyshire 😁👍
Hey just wondering the listed nedc range for 90D is 340mile, so you said the range is gone down to 250 which is very significant
@@Teslabull One thing to remember about the range the car was originally marketed with is that, that is in the absolute best conditions. Range will fluctuate depending on weather driving habits etc. so I usually take between 30-50km off the rated range when looking at new cars. Also most of the degradation is after the first two years or of ownership (well with the newer cars anyways, not sure about pre facelift model S's) the degradation of the battery will slow down after that, according to articles I've read. tbh for a car hats 7 years old that's not too bad, considering we ave fast chargers and stuff now.
You should also note that only charging to 90% to help prevent battery degradation plus 10% to 12% loss over the years accounts to over 70 miles off the brand new car charged to 100%. Added to that motorway use will also cost range
I have a new shape March 2017 S 75 now on 140k , practically every option ticked. I’ve just done 10k since I bought it 10 months ago, one of the last to have free supercharging , it’s cost me £179 for 10k miles as we have a supercharger 5 miles away. I’ve done the CCS and MCU2. Only maintenance is a drivers door handle and set of tyres when I bought it. Car is absolutely like new, I’ve wrapped the chrome gloss black, tinted it ( I’m a tinter) and added a little carbon fibre rear spoiler and that’s it. I’ve be a car dealer on and off for 30 years, had thousands of cars and this is the best car by a country mile, I could go on but won’t bore you.
Keep up the excellent work Richard , it was you who convinced me to buy it. Thank you sir......
Spoke to a tesla engineer last time i visited my Tesla repair center, it will cost about 9000 euro to get a new refurbished battery installed in a tesla Model S out of warranty, not bad! i was ready to hear 15k or even 20k lol
Usually engineers would be designing Teslas, engineers being highly skilled STEM professionals with equivalent academic qualifications to doctors and medical consultants. Just Say’n
Wait until the motor also fails and it'll be double that bill
You’ve been lied to. Ask for that quote on paper.
£9k!
Cheaper than a Land Rover Engine..
I talked to one and for a model Y he said about 4000-5000usd.
Run Model S P85 120,000 UK miles. Drive unit at 35,000 (the P models hammer them a bit more) done under warranty and as I understand it Tesla have changed the bearing design to deal with the side thrust so drive units now last for ever. Battery at 75,000 (it always had a water leak seems that on a hot day on the Midlands race way it went into 70 mph turtle mode and reported battery fault) Tesla detected it from Freemont at 2am their time! There was an email waiting for me, new battery on way and loaner, was swapped out in 2 days!
Agree with you the RWD have pin sharp steering, I prefer the yacht floor center consol, can still get 250 miles+ range, love the free charging and giant frunk, just fitted tow bar. Seats and leather just fine (no wear on the B pillar trim). I run 19" black powder coated wheels on my pearlesent white with cream interior and no sunroof (which aids the handling lowering the c of g, that sun roof is heavy). Buy cheap as chips tyres £80 a corner and get 20,000 out of a set ( rotate at 10,000). All in all a brilliant car, Ive a Roadster and Plaid on order but you know its going to be tough to get rid of this machine
Ah yea on my 3rd door handle! also at 100,000 miles TPMS went kerput Tesla developed a wiring harness and software to fit the latest version ecu and sensors that actually show pressures £1,400 all in.
Wow that’s extraordinarily reassuring (Teslas reaction to a battery fault )
tow bar , how did you get that , I was wanting one but there not type approved for the model s
what are you hoping to tow and at what weight
New battery at 75,000. Would you still love the car if you had to pay for that? A Tesla out of warranty sounds like a liability.
@@bikeman123
Someone else just said £9k from Tesla.
But, if it's a 100k warranty, that's £900 per 10k miles, and you save that on (for instance) "BMW" (etc) required service to maintain limited warranty, and warranty extension.... (Just in case the engine goes at 80k?)
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But if it's a cell that goes down, repairable.
I’ve a 65 plate, P85, 7 seater, spec like yours. 70k miles, had new motor, brakes, air suspension replaced on front one side, rear mirror, front window as black was coming off on edge, and lots of other bits and bobs. Tesla changed everything without quibble and you expect this on a new model (especially early electric) so was prepared for this. I love it it’s so fast, and comfortable and economical (super charger network and solar at home) costs virtually nothing for electric. It looks the dogs. Rear lights have the flies in and Tesla would not change them, they said to jet wash them. I was a bit tight and put some cheap all weathers all round, they have done 20k at least and still look and perform great.
Replacing most of the car, how green and energy efficient
@@johnennis4586 Had to replace the whole engine in my 2015 BMW Z4 3ltr. BMW tried to wriggle off the hook but got there in the end.
@@johnennis4586 says the guy who runs an ICE car 🤣🤣
@@TraderJono how many kJ of energy does it take to produce and run a Tesla over 10 years, how many kJ of energy has it taken to produce and run my 1992 Mazda to date? Just cause your not putting petrol in a tank doesn’t make it green. Where and how do they mine lithium refine it, ship it before putting it in a battery.
So basically your P85 hasn't been very reliable. Should probably get shot of it when Tesla's goodwill runs out.
My fridge was 8yrs old when it came inc with the house we bought. It's now 14yrs old and works just fine.
Refrigerators are commonly the most reliable machine that people own due to them leveraging the most basic of technologies. Cars are the most technologically complex products that a regular consumer can buy, 2nd only modern and complex digital-ready households. Your statement has no bearing upon this discussion at all.
In Serbia, 1 kw/h cost 0.02€ at low rate at night :)
Because of you, I'm the only one with Tesla S in my city :)
kWh not kW/h
Just had to get the brake discs & pads done on our 65 plate Zoe, with 50k miles on the clock, not because they'd warn out but because they had rusted from lack of use. I now know to make sure they get used from time to time.
Ironic that a car can have a entirely opposite issue, not over use but under use is a problem
I make sure to use the brakes once a day to keep them clean.
@@miggy8011 I’m guessing that you have a Tesla because most cars don’t that have true one pedal driving
@@chrisnewman7281 Yes, Model 3 with a Model Y on order, plan to keep both, we are in New Zealand so the Model Y has just been released.
Same happens on Prius cars. Lack of using brakes can actually mean they corrode so definitely advised to use them here and there at least
My 2013 P85 has over 156.000 miles. Also did the MCU2 and CCs upgrade. Not because it needed it. Just because its is nice and possible and makes the car even beter!!
Hey Richard, I have a 2018 Models S P100D with Ludicrous Plus in black. Has done 40,000 miles as of today. I had the MCU 2 upgrade and have the CCS charger upgrade. I've found it so easy to live with, and its very cheap to run. No major issues, my local Tesla service location has been brilliant with sorting out minor squeaks etc. Absolutely the best car I've ever owned. I was thinking about swapping it for a newer version when they arrive in the UK, but based on your excellent video I will just keep it and run it for as long as I can, especially as they have appreciated in value
As long as you have warranty left.
Got my 2014 P85 from you last October and this video has totally made me want the MCU2 upgrade. Great video and great team during sales 👍 Also saved £1000 on 6000miles compared to 42mpg Avensis and local Asda fuel costs, seriously have a geeky spreadsheet that monitors it all 🤓
Upgraded tp MCU2 and got the CCS adapter about 2 years ago, well worth the money.
@@alittlebitmoore does tesla not offer the CCS upgrade in the UK ? Here in Ireland tesla will update the charge port to CCS for you for €300
@@techbysteff4829 yes, that is why I got the CCS adapter which came with the upgrade. As far as I am aware all early S/X can get the CCS upgrade in Europe.
How much is a 2014 P85?Thanks
I do think it is good to show an older car is still worth having. too many people keep saying it will breakdown and be no good after a time period.
and I do find it weird how people say it cost more to run an electric car, then compare a large sized ev vs a small sized petrol
“Older”
I have a s85 2015 , love the free sc, it's done 121k now , repair costs have been tyres and tracking , 1400 for mcu but that's an upgrade
the door handles are the main bug bearer , I am into my 2nd repair next week , so that's 2 that's gone in 8 months of ownership , 14000 and I've spent 60 quid on electric
still an amazing car and drives faultless , range is brilliant too , 91% to 11% so 80% of use and I got nearly 200 miles , who needs an expensive model 3 or x , still a 30k car all day long and with the free supercharging it'll keep it's value I expect for at least another year maybe 2
mines still on the original brakes too tesla said it was 20% and 30% wear which for 116k at the time that's remarkable
what a car !!!!
The LCD iPad panel often leak LCD fluid
The drive motors are known for premature bearing failure and the new upgraded motors are to new to tell if the problem is solved.
The main batteries are hit n miss ... Life spans are all over the place. If you get a cell go bad it will take the rest with it.
My customer has just got his back after needing a new battery at 80k miles... New battery costs £24,000. Batteries are hard to get hold of and currently take 3 to 6 months!
Richard, great review! Our 2012 S85 has 129K mi on it, only repair out of warranty was the AC compressor, at 105K. During warranty had motor whine, welded contactor, LCD screen and eMMU covered. Rock solid, still gets 245+ miles on full charge. Hoping for another decade of use! SuC are really gold, and this one is free, plus transferable to the next owner!
Hehe. I don't see Symons selling that S85 any time soon [EDIT: and I wrote that line well before Richard says he wasn't selling]. Carry on. - 8 years old and still up to date with the majority of EVs and way ahead of all ICE cars. And it doesn't suffer the ICE constant vibration which truly ages a car over its lifetime range. We have to reassess mileage, when it comes to BEVs.
A question I’m constantly asked is how long does the battery last…….. enter Richard, thanks for helping me out!
Depends how you charge it all lithium batteries loose capacity but should level out.
@@RBcymru Its like your phone.... It will level out to not being able to get out the drive.
@@sahhull You will loose about 3 to 5% capacity over the first 2 years. The battery chemistry will settle down and then LEVEL out. Less range in winter as the battery chemistry is different at different temperatures. Batteries like 20 to 25 degrees Celsius.
The Tesla model S shows they have longevity & they still a great looking electric car! Great video squire!👏
It’s impressive how much Tesla got right on their first generation cars!
Mostly true, but to be fair, it wasn’t their first car development.
2014 with 143K miles. Replaced rear drop links to correct slight camber difference that caused uneven tire wear. Replaced 12v battery. And tires. And upgraded memory chip... 95% supercharged, so basically no energy cost.
Where did you get the 12v battery???
One thing to note is that on older Model S cars you don't want too low of mileage, my P90DL only had 34k when I bought it last year, and due to sitting around for most of its life belonging to a doctor that traveled out of country many months of the year, some of the suspension parts needed to be replaced, I had to replace Lower Aft Links, 205.00 Each + 1238.00 (labor and alignment) (covered by extended warranty), and rear Camber Toe Links 190.00 Each (1600.00 Labor and alignment) (covered by extended warranty). I did the MCU 2 + Radio upgrade for 2000.00 last year and replaced one seatbelt 130.00. Spent 826.00 in charging to go 22,000mi the app says I have saved 2523.00 in gas, however, since I went from a full size truck to the model S I believe I have saved double that ;0).
When I see vids like this, and when they took apart your model Y to fix it, I don’t get why there is so much criticism about Tesla build quality. Esp when you have to include the quality of mechanics. A 100,000 mile ICE car you would expected oil leaks etc, and the seats looking rough. This looks no worse, maybe even better, than equivalent ICE.
There is so much criticism… because journalists are basically human excrement..
Everything you read in the press about Tesla is a big lie.
Buy a Tesla (or borrow one ) and you will see what I mean.
The appearance of a 100,000 mile car depends almost solely on the owner.
4 waxes a year,, weekly washes, regular interior scrubbing, damage repair, quarterly leather treatments, fixing blemishes, parking in the garage, avoiding salted roads, car cover, daily use of interior dash sunscreen, underbody washes, replacing pitted windshields, intensive maintenance, early fluid and lubricant replacement, lubricating latches and seals and keyways, polishing faded headlamps... It's about the owner, not the car.
Tesla have no PR dept,do not pay for reviewers, or for Writers to attend car shows. Most every car company has a plethora of reviewers set up in 5 star hotels and treated like royalty for events throughout the year in return getting first looks on new cars. There has been smere campaigns too from Gates and other manufacturers. Tesla doesn't media, and media doesn't like it
Oil leaks at 100,000 on ICE car ? Stop buying dodge ,GM, and Volkswagons. Get a Toyota
My 20 year old Vauxhall Combo diesel van with 450,000 miles on the clock, still on its original engine and gearbox.
The seats are fine and no oil leaks.
If i purchased a Tesla and the power train and battery last to 150,000 miles I would be fully satisfied. Lots of cars fall apart around 140 and start needing major repairs. I dont buy luxury and the cost of major repairs of any luxury including Tesla arent cheap. Tesla has already reached parity with Ice cars where it counts, plus their cool fast and cheaper to "fuel". My next car will be a Tesla.
Each to their own I guess.
Im not a fan of Tesla build quality.
I have the exact same Tesla that has also just come out of warranty here in Norway.
Admittedly I have had a few simple problems that are now dealt with.
Had to upgrade the old modem with the latest LTE version for £150 but hey, big improvement.
One of the back lights got water inside but that was changed free of charge.
My footwells started to get wet after heavy rainshowers but that was tracked down to a simple blocked drainage hole.
I had the 12 volt battery replaced for a total cost of £120 including fitting.
I've clocked up 130,000 kilometres but my insurance company covers both the battery and the drive train upto 200,000 kilometres so no worries just yet.
Also have free internet connectivity including Spotify and of course unlimited free charging, which is transferable if I decide to buy a new Tesla, which is nice.
Best car I have ever driven.
I simply adore my 2017 S 75D. Hike up and down the country in it and it’s a joy. We have a MODEL 3 SR+ too and, whilst it’s more modern in feel, I go with the S every time. It’s a car you drive for yourself whereas the Model 3 is more of a passenger experience with all the tech on display in the middle. On the S, much of that same tech is on the binnacle behind the wheel and it makes you feel more like a chauffeur than a show-off 😋
Great to see one of the older ones still going strong. I can’t see me changing the S anytime soon so great to see a story about how long they can plough on!
Are you still with SR+? Sell it quickly. I had one of first SR+ Feb 2019 from Fremont. I waited a long time for it. Unbelievable introduction to the brand. But I also had no intention of keeping it, after 3 years and 75k miles, I was shocked to see the battery degradation was very poor.
New 240-5 range
Down to 203 at 100%
In fact Tesla changed their battery chemistry for their current budget cars due to SR+. Not alot of people know this. . .
My 2015 S with 143k @100% 238 miles. / 10 years old
With battery deg at only 8%.
Model S 2015+ > model3
Tesla Model S 90D 2015 with 125k on the clock goes like a dream and probably get about 255 of its originally claimed 270 miles but really not an issue especially with FREE supercharging. Local chargers are also free so costs are minimal to run this car. Got the MCU2 which was well worth it and the CCS convertor but to early at £500 😞. Plan never to change this car it has needed very little but I really do want to follow the "Triggers Brush" policy...
Cushty
My brother has recently clocked 240,000 miles on his 2015 model S and the battery packed up with just 5 months warranty left on the battery, Tesla has recently replaced the battery but they did mention it would of cost £16000 without the warranty.
Very surprising and informative. If I drove more than 100 miles a month and had the money I would definitely look for a high mileage model three.
Only 100miles a month? That’s nothing at all how do you not do 100 miles in a month / 25 miles a week
My 2018 68 plate has 70k, had front driveshafts and clicking front suspension repaired under warranty. Driver's door handle too. Otherwise, no issues. White pearl on air with enhanced autopilot. I love it. Biggest issue is what to replace it with. Can't love the 3 or Y. Have a Plaid confirmed price on order, don't know how to afford to buy it! 😍😍😅😅
If it works for you then why replace?! Software updates will keep it current. Just imagine how much you’d have to spend trying to run an ice equivalent. Then perhaps you would be happy to hang onto it in these troubled times!
I agree model 3 , x and y are ugly
@@ouethojlkjn made the call and still have our S!
@@nikelliot8105 Congratulations on deciding to keep the car you already have! I am torn about moving on from my Model 3 SR+ and getting a MY LR.
@@ouethojlkjn we test drive MY LR and we're really impressed. Would be more money than keeping our S so for now we are happy to stick with it👍
Lots of people in the comments getting new battery's whilst in warranty. They're happy because the warranty covered it but these cars seem like one to avoid once out of Teslas warranty.
@@AudiTTQuattro2003I'm one if the poor ones taking the risk.
I test drove a Model S six years ago.
The only reason I didn’t go ahead with my order is that I didn’t like the (excessive) torque steer.
Looking back, I suspect Tesla Solihull actually had a damaged/faulty car as a demo (the low-experience youngsters working there, totally unsuited to the job )
I regret not buying it !
It wasn’t until 2022 that I joined the clan with a MY !
My 85d does not have any torque steer so that seems a bit odd.
Still the best looking Tesla
My Tesla Model S (June 2014-purchased in July 2016 with Free SCH for life), has had a new motor after 4 years, and a new battery at 7.25 years both replaced under warranty. However now with 103k miles, the power steering seized up, and Tesla MK discovered all cables of the PS and of the air con had suffered serious water damage ( Power hose washing no doubt, with large body panel gaps) I am saddled with a bill of £9K!
That model looks so much better than most of the current ones I see on the road. The tech might have improved but the designs have gone downhill.
My Koala turned 100,000 while on a 2000 mile trip to St Tropez and back last week . . Was I concerned ???? Nah not on your nelly.. .Gonna keep "Tango" for as long as I can. . Now where's my phone to book in that MCU2 upgrade 👍👍👍👍
2014 P85+ 177,748 miles. Nothing major's gone wrong with the car and still going strong. I'm at the point where the air suspension is sagging at the rear so will be changing the air suspension soon.
Mine a 2017 model s, just died two weeks ago ,at 133k miles , luckily it's still under warranty till next year
I have a 2013 Vaxhall Ampera which gets me to work etc in EV mode daily. It’s so cheap to run compared to ICE cars I’ve owned before I feel like it’s free motoring, I don’t have a monthly motoring budget any more, it just falls into other things.
I’m hoping companies start making aftermarket batteries for EV’s and PHEV’s, my cars battery density is around 89kWh-kg, I think Gotion are working on 360kWh-kg batteries now, an aftermarket battery for the Chevy Volt/Ampera with Gotion batteries would increase it’s range to 160 miles EV. Leafs, Zoe’s, older Tesla’s with aftermarket batteries would have excellent ranges , be reliable, and be affordable, in fact this is how I see EV’s becoming affordable for most people.
My late 2014 Model S 85 has 252,000km. It’s had two motor replacements and 1 MCU under warranty but almost everything else is original. I have recently upgraded the MCU as 3G will soon close down in Australia not because there was anything wrong with the existing MCU. When the car was new I charged it to 100% and it indicated 488Km rated range; the last time I charged it to 100% that had fallen to 445Km so it’s lost about 10% range. I don’t have a job where I could claim tax benefits so I saved for 8 years to be able to pay cash for it. Since then it has taken us on lots of cheap holidays with free supercharging and has cost very little to run at other times. I’ll probably keep it for another 5 or 6 years at least but have no idea what I will replace it with as they have stopped RHD Model S and nothing else comes close IMHO.
207k miles on my 2013 P85. Motor replaced 5 times. Battery pack died right after 8 yr warranty expired. $12k to replace. Sold it. I am starting to suspect that Tesla software knows there are battery problems but "holds off breaking down" until right after warranty expires, so that they don't have to pay for it. it is all done in software.
My customer has just had his battery fail at 80,000 miles... £24,000 to replace the battery and a 3 to 6 month wait because the parts supply to the UK is garbage.
He's lost count of how many door handles he's had replaced.
Why no hard data on battery degradation?
CORRECTION: The S&X have 16kW (unless optioned to 22kW) on board chargers while 3&Y have 11kW.
Here in Australia we have a 2015 85D with 85000km (52000Miles). Very similar situation to your car, whereby I've upgraded to MCU2, CCS adaptor, got 22kW twin chargers, free Supercharging and 4G connectivity. Luckily our electricity supply is the same as UK, and I'm an electrician... so I have 3 phase supply at home and able to charge at 22kW (110kmh).
I love the car and our setup, but was getting concerned as the car aged about battery degradation or other things going wrong. We previously owned an early model Nissan Leaf, so we were a bit apprehensive of the battery loosing capacity. I had intended to upgrade before now, but after reading so many reports of the reliability as time goes on, and battery degradation is nothing like so many predicted, that we are happy to keep our car and enjoy it for years to come.
Thanks for posting this video, it reinforces my decision to keep the 85D.
I live in French alps have a 2015 85d with 230,000 kms on it, i have driven it for approx. 100,000kms. Last time i calculated degradation i was about 90% soh, I get about 400kms/250miles with 100% charge. Car charges up to 130kw but only for about 2 sec before dropping back to about 80 -90 kw. I had a few problems to resolve, faulty sunroof, 1000euros, 3 door handles, approx 300 euros each. CCS upgrade, MCU2 1500Euros. 12v battery 200 euros, battery cooling pump, 300euros. I'm lucky if i get 30,000 kms with tyres but I'm always driving up and down cols so might be a worse case scenario for tyre wear. I have recently switched to Hankook Ion tyres which seem to be lasting longer, and giving a minor range increase at slow speeds. Overall been a good car, but you need to have funds for expensive repairs. Car is much more reliable now than when i bought it 4 years ago. Most of the faults i listed above occurred in the first year of ownership. I'm just coming out of battery/drivetrain warranty so fingers crossed.....
I just bought a 2015 P85D with 74,000 miles and promptly drove it 4,000 miles on a road trip using just free Superchargers. The Tesla App says I've saved $1,170 over a gas vehicle so far. One of the door handles just broke and one of the wheels makes a bit of noise on bumps, which I'm getting looked at in a couple of weeks. I should still come out ahead even after repairs.
Do you still have it ?
The tour around the car takes me back a few years to watching videos on these cars. It looks awesome with those wheels, for me it's still the best looking Tesla.I'm also a fan of that display behind the wheel, especially the section that shows instant consumption or regen and the speed. They combined that wonderfully. I like that so much more than the green/grey line on my Model 3. It's a shame that nowadays they don't charge as fast as before but I guess it's a reasonable compromise if that has benefits in battery longevity. I think it's still a great option for someone who wants a used long range cruiser. Great analysis 👍
I have a question ... is it true that if you charge your battery to 100% then drain it to near empty it shortens the battery life as I have been told to charge to no more than 90% and never to drain below 30% to extend battery life
How many door handles have been replaced? I know of one car that needed 3 driver door handles and a passenger door one. When I sold an ice car to We Buy Any Cxx the man valuing our car stated a few Tesla's were being sold to them and the drivers didn't want another one. One car needed a motor, battery repair / replacement, screen upgrade, door handles and the panel gaps were a joke. Tesla did fix the car under warranty each time but the car was off the road for ages. Tesla seem to struggle to fit the car servicing in as they are short of technicians and service centres. However thank you Tesla for opening up the charger network because at least Tesla thought ahead unlike our government. Tesla's are nice but so over priced and badly put together (possibly better now they are made in China). Audi ETRON Technik £73,000 and not worth it. I do have a new EV but a lot cheaper than Tesla, Audi or Mercedes.
Believe it or not, no handles needed repairs or replacements on this S. We can repair handles but on this one they’ve been brilliant. Not sure where you are but there are plenty of Tesla service centres in UK. The quality of the builds has improved over the years but funnily enough these older models are sometimes better build than new models from about 2017.
I put my model three on we buy any car and eventually threatened them to leave me alone. I think you’re we buy any car bod was giving you the runaround. My 2019 M3 is currently worth seven grand more than I paid for it.
@@RSEV It was one of my customers on an early model S.
@@ouethojlkjn I think people were getting better deals with we buy any car than dealers.
I just hit 200K miles on my 2013 Tesla model S. Currently charging up to 233 miles max.
My biggest expense was $2K replacing the computer screen…. Other than that, just tires.
Is it a base ?? Did you buy it new or used ??
@@carlosvelasquez9922 S85D base, bought it used in 2015 with 15K miles on it.
I don’t have it anymore. It had 230K miles when someone T-boned me. Insurance gave me 13K for it. I have a Model Y now.
@@vitob1882 you bought it almost new , so the battery pack was never replaced in over 200,000 miles . Sounds great. Sorry for asking questions, hope I'm not bothering. How many miles at 100% charged when you bought it compared when the accident happened???
@@vitob1882 free supercharging was never removed by Tesla ???
@@carlosvelasquez9922 when I bought it , it was charging 238 miles full. At the crash time, it was 233. I typically charged it to 190 or 200 at home. Filled it up for long trips. I used to travel Tampa-Miami once a week or so.
I was think of a used Tesla model s . Just watched this from a year ago & was taken back by the value then £32k ish & now older Tesla s can be had for under £20k with lower miles. I’m so glad I didn’t buy last year & now I’m a bit put off buying at all. On the other hand newer lower miles model s are available for £20k - £27k so maybe it’s still an option. I’ll watch the market for a little while longer I think. Good informative vid though.
Really interesting video Richard, I remember looking at them in 2014 and was worried about the residual value as no PCP Deals available then so didn’t buy one and instead bought a brand new BMW X5, which my wife still drives. Can’t remember how much the Tesla would have cost then, but the BMW was c.£55k and probably worth £23kish today; however I think the fuel bill on the X5 might be a bit higher over the past 7 years!
Definitely get the Tesla next time Simon! 😀You will love it. BMWs are great cars though
love the honesty off these films
If people’s concern about the battery is that they’ve lost some total capacity and range, that’s a small issue if it completely failed that would be an entirely different matter
I literally watched a video today by Bjørn Nyland where he was showing a series on the repair of a failed model S pack.
Note "Repair", not replacement.
They hooked up a 12v battery, plugged in an OBD2 dongle with scanmytesla, (pro version) and it listed the condition of every cell block (not just module)
Including the very specific one with the fault.
I suspect they will open the lid, snip the connection to the bad cell and reassemble.
(It will lose 1/8900th of its previous energy)
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Try that with a "failed" ICE car?
@@rogerstarkey5390 Here’s the link I just found it ruclips.net/video/saeBqXSL84A/видео.html
My Brothers 2015 modal S has 240,000 miles on it and the battery has recently failed and was replaced under warranty by Tesla. Tesla did say if the warranty had ran out the repair would of cost £16,000
Hearing things like "only 50 kWhr" for public charging makes me chuckle since my non-Tesla gets only 7 kWhr from the local Volta public chargers.
So I would be very happy if the used Model S that I have my eye on gets "only" 50.
Own 2013 P85
350.000 km's on it today, that is 217000 miles.
Still have it ??? Did you buy it new??
FYI - Cost of Battery Replacement for Model 3 is $12K USD. So, this information is now available. Not cheap and you don't even get a brand new battery pack but a refurbished one
Do the refurbished batteries come with a warranty?
Yes, Tesla only gives you a 1 year warranty@@BradKwfc
@Rsymons RSEV could zou please tell me if i can just install the rear seats in trunk but store them in mz garage? or if the car does not have it originaly it means that even can't install them to seat the kids there?
So out of all the older Model S, which is the one to go for?
Where can i purchase this bag in the frunk? brilliant
Thanks and a very informative update on your Model S. Will have one of these in my sights next year for sure. We need a UK version of Gruber Motors from the USA over here.
Very detailed overview. Nice work!
My brothers 2015 model S has done 240,000 miles and battery recently failed with just 5 months warranty left on the battery, Tesla replaced after having to import one and my brother was informed that if the warranty had run out the cost would been £16000
It's probably been charged 1000 times.
My customer was quoted £24,000 for a new model S battery.. His failed at 80,000 miles. There is currently a 3 to 6 month wait as the parts supply chain is garbage.
My brother waited 3 months 😒
Stunning how a car this old is still up to date
07:33 but you don't do you? You have to squat because the floor isn't low enough. I got a ride home from the airport in a model 3 in the back and it wasn't comfortable.
I bought i model S 2013 Base , i have no idea what the history of things replaced on the car. 100,000 miles . Everything works well, feels like its gonna run forever
I don't understand why people keep saying it cost "next to nothing", but never factor in the cost of insurance, which covers all the savings on gas! it cost more than 2k more than a honda crv per year, which is more than what I would have spent on gas.
Because in some countries , the insurance is actually cheaper for EVs. We pay less for same model S than for Audi A3 before
@@DS-pk4eh That s incredible. The insurance of model s in US is about 4000 a year, compare that to a normal gas bimmer of between 2 to 2.5k a year.
@@michaelgbj OMG, is that real? We paid 1350CHF, which around 1450USD for Full Casco (so total cover). Of course they will not pay you the price of the new car, but also you will get more than what is on market. I am paying similar for my new Tesla Model 3 ( 2022 model). BMW 5 530x would be surely more than what we pay for Tesla Model S.
It is also important that young drivers will always pay much higher premium, maybe even 4000 for a fast car (which Teslas are).
Can you tell where you got the center console insert from please
Love your videos Richard 🙏
When you take negative depreciation into a ‘no brainer’ as they say.
I am sure negative depreciation will not last forever, but at £9 a gallon I am ecstatic with my M3 LR purchase March last year, which also seems to be worth more than I paid for it. My car is Shanghai built with perfect build and pearl white paint finish like glass 😁
Not been near a garage or petrol station since.
I could never go back to ICE car.
Blimey, where do you get fuel at £9 a gallon, it’s all about £10 here in the south Devon. 😂 my EV (eNiro) has run off 84% solar since January. So cheap to run it’s ridiculous.
@@devonbikefilms That would be around £2.20/litre. Diesel just under £2/litre up North!
Graham ! I’m thrilled to read your post.
I feel the same about my MY (13,000km now )
@@maxflight777 I use UK Octopus GO tariff, which gives 4 hours overnight @ 7.5p/Kwh, which I reckon gives me 29Kw, so comfortably 100 miles for around £2!
I'm looking to purchase a 2015 model s 85 here in AU with 47000 Km on the clock, for about 68K, this car has already had the rear motor and MCU replaced and is upgraded to use the CCS. My question is around the door handles that fail, I was wondering if they can be repaired or if they require full replacement?
68000 dollar? For a 2015??
2014 Model S 85 with 95k. Drive unit was replaced under warranty at 62K. Battery still gets 252 miles on full charge. 👍🏽
252 typical or rated?
Excellent video, many thanks. Have you replaced the driver's side windscreen wiper mechanism which on high-milers can wear a notch in the bonnet?
Does the third party centre console just pull out? I can't get my handbag in there either..
notice its in UK wonder if it was in snow salt road Midwest usa
if it would be different.
When did they switch to heat pumps?
What's annoying is that they haven't fitted powered tailgate to Model 3's until 2021. And this car is 8 years old and has it. An electric car without powered tailgate is embarassing. That's why and for some other benefits i changed my 2020 model 3 lr (economical but pretty bland and bareboned car) to 2022 Model 3 Performance. And hoping to keep it more than 10 years. Absolutely love it.
Not that happy about this video or some of the comments. Can we have more negative talk about these older Model S's please, so I can get one for a good price. ;)
I see what you did there!
Good luck!
I’m looking at picking up a 2018 Model S 100D with 54000 miles on it for 29,000 US dollars.
Hi.. how did you manage to paint the tailgate Tesla logo matt black from chrome..did you remove it first? If so, how does it come off my man?
It’s stuck with double sided tape. Easy to remove with a bit of string. Sand the badge and respray. Change the double sided tape and done 👍
My one question, an important question. What happens if you sell a Tesla "as a trader" and the battery fails after a month or so of new ownership. Who pays for the replacement battery, a lot costlier than an engine component.
Same trading standards apply. So the dealer would be liable in such an instance.
If it's under 8 years old and 100K miles the Tesla warranty would cover it. if it's older than that as Richard mentioned you probably would get someone to repair the modules that had failed.
When you say "an engine component" do you mean a plug lead, or a dropped rod (new engine)?
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Likely to be a single back cell.
Repairable.
excellent video!
I would like to know if there was a problem with opening the car loading door?
Thanks,
Henrique do Vale Rio Verde - GO Brazil
Do you mean the tailgate? No problems with it at all👍
@@RSEV
The Recharge Port !
Can’t believe The Batt is for sale
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So funny, you keep on saying "engine" when it should be "motor" LOL ..... I have a Model X P100D. Good stuff. Faster than HellCat.
Do you still have this? If so another review?
Dont worry about the 'engine', electric motors last for over 30+ years running at full capacity.
Tesla drive motors are prone for premature bearing failure, the new upgraded motors havent been out long enough to know if the problem is fixed.
Great Video!
I’ve got a 2017 Model X 75D (around 45,000 miles) and had an OG 2014 model S 85, everything working well apart from the touchscreen is quite slow (need to upgrade to mcu2) and the battery only charges to 174 Miles (I keep the range on rated rather than typical, does this really matter?) but it used to charge to around 230. I plan on the keeping the car until the 2021 plaid refresh is available in the UK. Tesla’s website says they will replace the battery after “70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.” And since 174 is 73% ‘retention’ of the quoted 238 miles full charge of the 75D, should I wait until it gets to 70% retention and then ask tesla to replace the battery as it is still in warranty? My other question was weather tesla would still replace the battery as the range is set to rated?
Any help on this would be great.
A man that worries about a combustion engine going wrong more than a e motor after 100,000 mile has obviously never owned a Volvo D5
Thanks man, looking forward to the battery assessment.
Excellent video and a great example of the longevity of electric vehicles. Far too many people hung up over the " I bet the batteries dont last" or ' but the range is rubbish". Yes if you look hard enough you will find one or two niggles with Tesla cars but thats the same with any car manufacturer. If an early one such as your S can be as good it bodes well that the newer model 3 and Ys should hopefully have the same lifespan if not better.
Nice, i'm looking to buy a used Model S ... thanks for the schooling!
This video and reading some of the comments has reignited my desire for a model S. I have a question regarding why there are not any imported Model S from Europe. Ive not seen one on the roads in the UK, Would the free super charging and status still remain regardless of where the car originates from? Or is it country specific ?
SUC charging works no probs. Min cost is headlghts conversion. Not many of these cars sell, many peole come to same conclusion as Richard😉
Theres loads of them around this part of the UK. I have 4 customers with them.
If you really want one.... dont look at the build quality.
I am looking at getting a Model X 7 seater and use it as a taxi any advice ??
I currently drive a Ford Tourneo Custom 2.2tdci
I have heard the door handles are a problem. You never had to replace one? I know there are aftermarket replacements which are better quality and longer lasting, so I hear.
I love my 129k miles RWD 2016 Facelift 70 more than everything! Still have 230miles range on a good day and two years left on the warranty! However yesterday I cheated her a little bit.🥲
I reserved an Aptera.😎
Thank You very much for this instructive video. I am interested in buying a used Model S and all the infromation you get is great!👍👍
Can you just replace entire front dash board to new 2022 Style Screen ???
IMHO the value of secondhand Tesla Model S is only going up, since they aren't making any more... (RH drive, that is). I sold my five year old S, but now wishing I hadn't, and considering buying another!
Really interesting video, just wish Tesla did a different looking car as not keen on the current cars looks. I prefer the looks of cars like the id4 from VW.
You don’t need a new car, you need an optician. lol
@@curmudgeon1933
There's me trying to think of a witty response and you beat me too it! 👍
I’m expecting my Model Y to cost less than a Toyota Corolla over 8 years (including depreciation and all running costs )
Is that doable? i m in the market for a model y just for this reason, can you break down the cost expectations?!
What do you expext on depreciation after 8 years on a model y?
You may be right. The only fly in the ointment that I can see is spare parts. Tesla doesn't have a good reputation in this regard.
A Model Y owner in Germany had an accident on the day he picked up his car at Gruneheide. One of the first MiG cars. It is still at the menders as of this moment. He can't get the parts.
@@graphenemusic5922 so far (13,000km) it’s increased in value !!
@@marcg1686 RSEV had repairs to their MY …. (Search for the video) the spares were actually cheap
im thinking off buying one so the free supercharge wont carry on to me?
Hello Mate, what watch are you wearing?
Fast talking Richard.. I did manage to keep up …
Wow very good indeed in-depth explanation good lad 9 out of ten . 👏👍🏽