Yea? If that’s the case it needs to be a Ebony back story as well. If Cube really broke down Players Club and made it a Universe thing like Power? He could’ve made more money than Friday
Although I went to a HBCU and LOVED it....let's be honest..Diamond was pregnant her senior year, her parents was still being supportive, her father was willing to pay for college and her momma was willing to babysit...she was being a brat 🤷🏾♀️ she could've did that first year and get a scholarship that next year if she wanted to be smart about it...she was absolutely spoiled and determined which is good but everything could've been avoided
@@devantejackson5085Near the end of the movie, did Dollar Bill use Tina as a shield of protection against bullets? Or did he push her down? I wonder if Tina escaped the fire, or was a victim. The writers should have explained what happened to her.
I believe the professor showed up to the club because he heard that she was dancing there and maybe he was secretly interested in her which is why he was helping her throughout college.❤
Can't believe how many dense people liked your comment. If this waa a real situation then you could argue that. However it's a movie so yiu know everything there is to know Goofy
This is untrue. We only do it because we are emulating the individualism of whites. They definitely do this, often. Immigrants of most ethnicities keep their grown kids at home until they are prepared.
Honestly Diamond had a good heart through it all. Even when people did her wrong she still stuck through it. We don’t give her enough credit yes she brought ebony into the club but she didn’t know ebony was going to be wild. Everyone tested Diamond until she reached her breaking point and then everyone thought she was crazy when she really was just trying to work and go to school that’s all
hold up, lightbulb moment: so diamond's mama was willing to babysit her grandson at any given point, yet she was quick to push ebony onto diamond to take care of (and basically told her to deal with it)? mmmm, that tells me mama knew (whether up front or deep down) her own niece was foul and didn't want any of that smoke. however, does that also mean somewhere along the way mama never honestly respected or looked down on--in a classist way--diamond...or ebony...or her own sister? because early on, she didn't want diamond to leave the house with the baby. now it's like "i'll take the baby and y'all do that heathen stuff elsewhere."
@@angelaholmes8888 it was totally wrong because diamond's mom's sister asked the mom to watch ebony, not diamond. so the mom is just as stank as the dad started out to be, she just hid it "better."
A 4 year old boy is easier to handle than a fast 18 year old girl. The mom didn’t want the stress or have a loose girl under the same roof as her husband.
@@missmisher yeah that is true. But if the idea was for ebony to be set straight, and the mama knew diamond was already working at the club, having her deal with it was already setting everyone up for failure. Even if mama didn't want ebony in her house, she didn't even attempt to intervene in any way to maybe help course correct an issue that may or may not have been family knowledge.
I used to always randomly say “Not with my God damn money” 😂 and it’s hilarious that her dad was against her going to an hbcu and she ended up a stripper 😭😭
Yeah the hbcu reasoning was stupid to have her kicked out. Should’ve just used because she was pregnant, even though I don’t agree with it but it is more realistic to say the least. You telling me he was accepting of her getting pregnant in high school to a grown man than her wanting to go to an all black college?
Noticing How Much Of A Hovering Predator Ronnie is.. They had to have been watching Diamond for a lil while preying on her from that shoe store to eventually reel her in to be pimped essentially.. and having her help put the shoes on is a Power Play.
The same scene where Blue and Diamond are in the parking lot after the club incident, it cuts to where you can see Ronnie and Myron sitting in the car watching Diamond leave. So, I believe Ronnie set that up to have Myron follow Diamond to her house. Cause in a previous scene, she dropped off Ebony. So, now Ronnie knows where Diamond lives.
A great warrior once said, "When you're ugly, and someone loves you, you know they love you for who you are... beautiful people never know who to trust.'
Diamond did what she had to do. Single mom in college trying to work, be a mom and going to school. She basically showing what lots of women go through in real life
7:51 when this movie came out I was a kid. Before I knew the importance of an HBCU.. the dads character really bothered me calling them "Nigga colleges" that always struck a chord with me. Now even though I went back to school late I am currently in my last year at an HBCU (Johnson C. Smith University) so I feel it is just as important for young black people to go to an HBCU now as it was back in the 90s. because back in the 90s we had influences like "a different world", Martin and Living Single would promote HBCU in the clothing in the wardrobe. So, we saw it back then but now it's just getting popular again because of the importance of representation, education and the political climate has changed plus there are a lot of hbcus they need funding from alumni to stay open. But anyway... 🤷🏿♀️
I agree, people really don’t expect women to be as vile as men and don’t take it seriously. People laughed or didn’t believe me when I disclosed that a woman violated me, never wanted to talk about it again.
Cheri: Spending time together may or may not involve sex. Heit: It involves it. 😂😂😂 I died! Y'all are so funny. I love the back and forth with the male vs. female perspectives. I love it!
I think they made Diamond timid in the beginning to show how the club can change you. Even if it’s a facade you can’t let anyone in the strip club see you sweat. It can be a savage place sometimes. After the encounter with Ronnie that night she had to change how she carried herself to survive.
1:47:23 I find the professor's approach to be a lot more than low-key after he saw her clapping in the club. I think the interest was always there, hence the unwarranted I assistance he gave her all the way through. But he got some more balls once she appeared to be lower hanging fruit than she initially presented. The real question for me is, would he still have given her this contact at BET if he didn't catch her in the club?
When the club burned down I believe it gave Diana/Diamond a clean slate. There is no evidence of her stripping to be found. Also I didn't aee anyone taking photos or videos of the dancers. In regards to Vanessa Williams she believed the photos were for artistic purposes. Its sad that Black women are always exploited, but she rose above all the negativity and had fabulous singing and acting career.
The comment landed correctly because we talked about a Vanessa Williams in this video. The people who don't recognize that discussion didn't fully watch the video.
I know a lot of people may disagree but diamond should’ve just listened to her father. Yes her father was ignorant for his “nigga college” comment but all the bad that came from her being at the club didn’t make going to the HBCU on her own worth it. Yea she’s gonna go to a college of her father’s choice but at least you don’t have to go through what she went through. Some times you have to pick the best of two “evils”
Hmmmmm. Good point. Cuz she also didnt even get to enjoy thee depths of what makes HBCUs so cool.. she was sleeping through classes & deflee didnt have time to engage in any campus festivities
tru, and i think it was more about control for Diamond and her father. she was using this as a way to show that she was in control of her life not her father. she was willing to do whatever to be free. she missed on out a lot of the fun shit, friendships and jus overall experiences that would make being at a hbcu important but she wouldnt have had those at the white school either
Btw ronnie like diamond and not as a friend either. This is the reason she was sexually assaulting her in the dressing room. Ronnie is bisexual but prefer women, it is also cited at juniors bachelors party by one of ice cube boys. Also myron was dropped off by ronnie and trix after the club shooting/ sexual assault scene.
Well it was also said that Ebony was Very scary/Fearful/shy.. Thats why she was doing so much drinking.. i think what she enjoyed is the 'Guardian Ship ' & Acceptance Of Ronnie & Gettin Attention from Men.. i dont think she actually enjoyed Stripping. She always seemed like she didnt really wanna do it.. but she liked the skimpy clothes & attention
When Diamond decided she had enough, she had pure Adrenalin and anger on her side! I think when you reach the point of “I’ve had enough,” folks better back up!
The HBCU stigma does have some truth to it. I went to Saint Paul’s and it was a literal shit hole.. basketball program was ass, buildings were old and outdated, athletic directors and higher ups were stealing money.. it eventually shut down and now a Chinese guy owns it and it’s literally just rotting away
I’d have to agree…I went to Alabama A&M back in the mid 2000’s. Old, outdated buildings and dorms. Embezzling money, crappy food, poor curriculum, no post grad job opportunities in career services for non engineering students, etc. Def was behind the learning curve once I got to law school and I worked my a** off to catch up. There were some great faculty that were there to help tho! I will say that! 😊
It is absolutely realistic that she would work for BET. Don’t underestimate the power of pretty privilege. Annndd she’s light skin, from a good family back ground, with “good” hair, nice body?? Aaannnddd a letter of rec and graduated from an HBCU? Oh Diamond could have gone to BET and then some. And do t forget, News reporters needs the brain and beauty and she apparently has both. So why not go to BET?
360 deal. 1. Its not uncommon for dancers to jump around at clubs. Most dancers will pay a fee to dance at a club for a few nights. Now it depends on clubs tho cause some compete for women. 2. Today if you are a high level anything professional and you were a dancer its definitely going to turn heads. I mean we got teachers getting outted for doing OF or adult content.
1:47:34 Maybe the professor saw this before. She wasn’t flaunting her night club money and fame, getting derailed by the usual. She made it semester after semester, consistently trying to keep the two worlds separated. That takes a lot. Maybe he felt she was serious about her future and she was worth helping. I knew a few girls in school who stripped to pay for school. You see them in the Bursar’s office with straight cash paying their tuition. Some you see moving out because the money and or the life had derailed them. And it usually doesn’t take long if you don’t have a plan you at least try to stick to. Ebony had no plan, not even an aspiration to have her own place. She just wanted money and attention from anyone.
I mean we are questing the rational of these characters but in retrospect... Diamond is 18 to 22... I don't know about anyone else but from 18 to 22... I was a dam fool!!! My decision making process was not up to par with structural life dynamics so there should be grace for Her a bit. I say for a Single Mom at that age... Diamond was pretty grounded given the circumstances but regardless at that time a ton of development is taking place. I also think That professor was just a good dude... Was he attracted to her... Yes rather unconsciously or blatantly but I should say that regardless some People just has that IT factor and it's noticeable... It's heightened actually and Diamond was that girl overall. Also just want to say Chrystal as Ronnie is legendary. I wish her career would have taken off after this... I mean she did that!!! And I think Monica doesn't get enough props for the work she did with this character... I mean Some of her best work... She was in my opinion The star of this film... Incredible job. By the way... Yall be having me dying laughing!!!! BIG Ups from The Chi!!!!
@@AxiomAmnesia Omggg Yes You guys covered sooo much in this video... Loved it... Took me 2 days to actually watch the entire video because of daily schedule so perhaps I am actually just spewing back what you guys talked about. 😆. Loved it!!!! You guys rock.
9:14 Tricks and Ronnie did seem like pimps, but the pimps nobody wanted to get down with. They only went after the two “green” girls. They couldn’t even find anybody to do the bachelor party. Not even a coke head stripper. There’s always a coke head stripper.
I use to dj at a strip club. I let the songs play for 2 & a half minutes. My club was 40 dollars a song. Sometimes I would cut the songs at 2 minutes. I’ve seen the girls make bank just off lap dances alone.
It was realistic for diamond to be a newscaster. Good looks have a lot to do with being on TV. You don't need to have great skills if you have great looks
I personally didn’t like how those boys at her school was talking to her. I definitely would’ve approached her and tried to talk her (if she was comfortable) because let’s be real there was some trauma of both men and women when dealing with trust on Diamond. She didn’t deserve nun of that mistreatment that was handed towards her.
Do yall think Ronnie benefits from Pretty Privilege As A Predator & As A Lesbian. 🤔.. i think so. I think ppl wouldn't have been so unguarded & enabling of her fuck shihh if she was Considered Ugly.
Alot of Girls Be On Drugs and Alcohol heavy to Get thru the Angst. Cuz it often doesn't wear off cuz Guys in Clubs are aggressive and entitled and often disrespectful.. and thats most clubs tbh. But its worse in Strip clubs & Clubs that Have Bottle Girls & Waitresses that wear Thee Sexy Uniforms & Twerk. The girls that dont use drugs and alcohol are often true performing Artists and Zone out into the Joy of Performing & Creating.. Some Girls get very Spiritual & Pray, Meditate, do Yoga & Shihh. Some juss do the bare minimum & get pity tips & pretty privilege tips. 😂
I’m a stripper yes once you get hired most places will tell you you can start and work, and when you go audition you sis already have everything you need to work.
I agree with the whole conversation on hbcus. I graduated from one for undergrad and am currently at a pwi for grad school. The level of support I felt from professors is completely different.
In Some states you need a License to strip. It's really a process. But alot of Cities and states dont always enforce that protocol. So getting hired & put on the floor on the spot/in the same day, could very well be a red flag.
Just because Ronnie was bigger than diamond doesn’t mean she was gonna win. Diamond knew how to get around Ronnie plus she was strong asf and was able to flip Ronnie completely over at the end of the fight.
1:03:10 when this movie came out, I was 15 years old (side note, LisaRaye was my crush until I was about 24 or 25). That being said, i remembered how much college was and I remembered going to school with a "stripper" (more on that later). I grew up in Texas, so the average cost (excluding big universities such as UT, TA&M, TX Tech, Rice, etc... during 2000 to 2006) of tuition was about +/-$2k. It was the room and board that cost the most because at the time, a pell grant was enough to cover most if not all of the tuition. When you look at the movie at face value, it doesn't look like Diana/Diamond ever lived on campus, and even back then, living off campus was a bit more expensive than living on campus because colleges tend to over inflate the rent. When i transferred to A&M Corpus Christi, we had a section of the student center where most of the black, some Mexican and a few white students would kick it. One of them (who was actually a friend) use to work at this place called Cheetahs (coincidently i never went). She actually told us stories that didn't portray the lifestyle in a glorious light (she even said that, because she wasn't "top heavy", she had to keep up her pedicures, obviously for clear heels, to compete to get her tips). However, she was from Corpus, which leads to my main point of my post. I'm not saying that wasn't possible to strip to pay for school (which used to be kind of a trope if not a joke), you do have to take into account what was being paid for. Diamond drive a practical priced car (Honda Accord), a decent apartment (probably about $400 a month compared to about $1200 for a 3 bdroom (one for her, son, and ebony)), and went to an HBCU (which is typically cheaper than a traditional state college). This movie is still a classic.
Do you think Diamond Parents knew bout Lance being Kinda Living with Diamond. And they sent Ebony as a Buffer in a way.. Kinda how when One child go on a date, the parents send a younger sibling or whatever with them.
I never looked at it as they were trying to portray Trix as ugly but more so old and washed up. Body not like it used to be and just past her prime. I get the colorism aspect of it tho as far as casting.
@@AxiomAmnesia undesirable for sure. I just process it differently than ugly. Basically undesirable for the strip club setting but not ugly to the outside world.
360 Deal I will say that I think the professor character was meant to be a foil to Lance, not to be a stalker. Lance wanted Diamond to quit working at the club but offered her no alternatives. Here comes in the professor, who sees Diamond when she’s having all these problems with her parents, Ebony, Lance, Myron, Ronnie, etc who does offer her an alternative once he sees what is keeping her from being focused right before graduation
Yall went too hard on Diamond on certain points but I get the sentiment. But you can tell that yall aren't so educated on certain cultural aspects of the black experience, not fully anyway. No shade at all, just an observation from a beloved subscriber.
Nudity doesnt stop actresses from advancing in thier career, you have to be a good.actress to keep getting roles. Charlize theron was nude in devils advocate Lena headley was nude in 300 Margot robbie was nude in wolf of wall street. Lisa ray wasnt a good actress.
That's one of the things I found funny about Diana she really thought that she could have a career as a TV news anchor after being an exotic dancer for 4 years
Can't believe it's been 25 years since this Classic. They were Ahead of they Time. And we know The King 👑 of Comedy made this movie in Bernie Mac 🙏🕊️🐐🎤 A lotta Legends gone as well such as: Bernie Mac 🙏🕊️🐐🎤 Charlie Murphy 🙏🕊️ AJ Johnson 🙏🕊️ Tiny Lister 🙏🕊️ Michael Clarke Duncan 🙏🕊️ Proud to have Grown up to this and still One of my favorite 90's Films 🎥
1:55:33 I don't think blue had any money like that. When dudes don't have any money they try to like take for a walk or take you to go get ice cream to avoid going to a real restaurant.
4:55 As to why she didnt still go to cillege and be able to get a loan, she was most likely still under her parents. In those situations, you have to either emancipate yourself or get an emergency exception from the school to get loans not co-signed by your parents. When she left home, she was more than likely 17 and went to her bf's place, and she didn't start stripping until she got to 18. In short, her parents' financial situation made it harder to get her own loans.
I think your parent only needs to co-sign the PLUS loan. The Stafford and other loans don't need a co-signer. The only potential conflict I see is if her parents were still claiming her on taxes, because that will affect your financial aid. But since she had a child and was living outside of the homealready, that seems unlikely IMO.
360 Deal🔴⚪️ I agree if Dime's daddy was about that life she would've never got knocked up so early.. that guy in the club with Ebony was Master P.. Professor.Stanley in the club... "Diana Wait, I'm bringing you some homework ‼️"
As a strip club DJ I can assure you a large club with a lot of girls keeps the songs at or around 2 and 1/2 minutes... Most entertainers nowadays for first short of songs because you can squeeze more lap dances out of a person in a shorter period of time... Strippanomics 101 🤟🏾
No worries. Im at work right now so I couldn't finish the video but if I have any more insights, I'll put y'all up on it😂... I'll gather Intel while I'm here at the club tonight .. lol
Nobody noticed that Myron was in the car with Ronnie while Diamond and Blue was talking , I believe Ronnie drove him to her house. A popular stripper by the name Mercedes Morr was recently murdered by one of her only fans subbies
Sex work is what I call it in the most non demonizing way. We have a culture that demand and promote sex work. Being told to smile as a cashier for minimum wage is no different from being pimped. Sex work can be a healing industry if we let it. I’d love to see people appreciate it more than demonizing.
@@AxiomAmnesia Yes, we demonize sex work. To add, ummm, feminism also states let a woman do WHATEVER SHE WANTS WITH HER BODY and prostitution should be legalized (Protects prostitutes).
@@AxiomAmnesiaI don’t think that y’all demonized sex work. I do feel y’all struggled, like most to find ways to name it and uplift it. But I don’t think that’s something y’all had to do. I am grateful y’all opened the discussion. There’s a beauty to the history of sex work that we need to talk about as humans. I believe it’s important and healing work. I’m not a sex worker however it’s not a job that’s X’ed off my list. I have Fam and friends that do it and I appreciate the lens in which they use when doing it. But there is another conversation I feel that y’all were trying to have. There’s a conversation about people (women, gay men, trans folks and even some strait men) expecting others to pay me for their time. I think the issue is at times in the situation people don’t consider it to be sex work. But I don’t know if I am the one to name what that is. Maybe it is an individual’s choice. Personally if I did this id own my profession and call it sex work even if I don’t have intercourse with them. It’s a form of labor. The individuals choice piece reminds me of men who love trans women or have occasional sex with other men, man of them don’t label themselves as “Gay”. Personally that’s fine and their choice. But what are the consequences for not identifying themselves? (That’s a whole other topic)
Was it fair that Diamond's mother decided she should be responsible for Ebony?
Totally unfair
Hell no. Ebony is a damn adult
It's never fair to volunteer someone to do something without asking them first
Unfair cuz she grown. At same time she is her family. But I had an Ebony in my family and my mom sent her back home when she got too outta control
Hell yeah btw how are yall been doing today I love the players club it is the best especially the other movie reactions ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️
am i the only one who'd love to see a ronnie origin story movie...?
That would be too good, we arent ready
@@angelabernal4076 but we neeeeeeeeed it
They would have to get a girl who is just as dope as the original chick who played Ronnie
Yea? If that’s the case it needs to be a Ebony back story as well. If Cube really broke down Players Club and made it a Universe thing like Power? He could’ve made more money than Friday
Ronnie's back story would be interesting to see.
Although I went to a HBCU and LOVED it....let's be honest..Diamond was pregnant her senior year, her parents was still being supportive, her father was willing to pay for college and her momma was willing to babysit...she was being a brat 🤷🏾♀️ she could've did that first year and get a scholarship that next year if she wanted to be smart about it...she was absolutely spoiled and determined which is good but everything could've been avoided
The bartender gave Diana the best advice, she was a real one.
Which advice was the best? Diana wasn't contemplating quitting school.
Agreeed she was the only real friend Diamond had there 💯
I concur Tina was real.
Even Dollar Bill loved Tina even told her she wasn't like them other bitches 🤣🤣
Agree
@@devantejackson5085Near the end of the movie, did Dollar Bill use Tina as a shield of protection against bullets? Or did he push her down? I wonder if Tina escaped the fire, or was a victim. The writers should have explained what happened to her.
I believe the professor showed up to the club because he heard that she was dancing there and maybe he was secretly interested in her which is why he was helping her throughout college.❤
He don't trust anybody's information but his own! 😂😂
I don't think so, maybe it was a coincidence, he seemed shocked.
Can't believe how many dense people liked your comment. If this waa a real situation then you could argue that. However it's a movie so yiu know everything there is to know Goofy
Black people have to stop normal putting our children out at 18. Other cultures don’t do this.
Facts
This is untrue. We only do it because we are emulating the individualism of whites. They definitely do this, often. Immigrants of most ethnicities keep their grown kids at home until they are prepared.
It depends if they are Disrespectful they need to get out
My 28 lives with me with her 3 babies soo not happening here
Honestly Diamond had a good heart through it all. Even when people did her wrong she still stuck through it. We don’t give her enough credit yes she brought ebony into the club but she didn’t know ebony was going to be wild. Everyone tested Diamond until she reached her breaking point and then everyone thought she was crazy when she really was just trying to work and go to school that’s all
Totally agree
hold up, lightbulb moment: so diamond's mama was willing to babysit her grandson at any given point, yet she was quick to push ebony onto diamond to take care of (and basically told her to deal with it)? mmmm, that tells me mama knew (whether up front or deep down) her own niece was foul and didn't want any of that smoke. however, does that also mean somewhere along the way mama never honestly respected or looked down on--in a classist way--diamond...or ebony...or her own sister? because early on, she didn't want diamond to leave the house with the baby. now it's like "i'll take the baby and y'all do that heathen stuff elsewhere."
Yeah I didn't like that diana mother forced her daughter to watch ebony that was wrong
@@angelaholmes8888 it was totally wrong because diamond's mom's sister asked the mom to watch ebony, not diamond. so the mom is just as stank as the dad started out to be, she just hid it "better."
A 4 year old boy is easier to handle than a fast 18 year old girl. The mom didn’t want the stress or have a loose girl under the same roof as her husband.
@@missmisher yeah that is true. But if the idea was for ebony to be set straight, and the mama knew diamond was already working at the club, having her deal with it was already setting everyone up for failure. Even if mama didn't want ebony in her house, she didn't even attempt to intervene in any way to maybe help course correct an issue that may or may not have been family knowledge.
I used to always randomly say “Not with my God damn money” 😂 and it’s hilarious that her dad was against her going to an hbcu and she ended up a stripper 😭😭
😅😅😅 I love to hear funky dineva say it 😂
Lmaooo so true 😂
Yeah the hbcu reasoning was stupid to have her kicked out. Should’ve just used because she was pregnant, even though I don’t agree with it but it is more realistic to say the least. You telling me he was accepting of her getting pregnant in high school to a grown man than her wanting to go to an all black college?
That's a good point!
Right
Ronnie and Trix were the OG City Girls.
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Noticing How Much Of A Hovering Predator Ronnie is.. They had to have been watching Diamond for a lil while preying on her from that shoe store to eventually reel her in to be pimped essentially.. and having her help put the shoes on is a Power Play.
Bro said “ so this is where you live hu” like he was welcome!!! Lol😂
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"Hu" 🤣🤣
The same scene where Blue and Diamond are in the parking lot after the club incident, it cuts to where you can see Ronnie and Myron sitting in the car watching Diamond leave. So, I believe Ronnie set that up to have Myron follow Diamond to her house.
Cause in a previous scene, she dropped off Ebony. So, now Ronnie knows where Diamond lives.
Ohhh I'll have to look at that again. Great catch!
That wasn't Ronnie and Myron. That was Ronnie and Trixie.
That’s what i said too
@@TF-gf3fsbut she killed the way tho , be fr
What would be Ronnie's motive putting Myron on Diamond? That doesn't make any sense.
A great warrior once said, "When you're ugly, and someone loves you, you know they love you for who you are... beautiful people never know who to trust.'
Great comment
Nigga did you just quote drax the destroyer 😂
@@mikaylawilliams5913🤣 I did say a great warrior 🤣
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Honestly I didn’t think Lisa rayes acting was that bad and plus this was her first movie
Diamond did what she had to do. Single mom in college trying to work, be a mom and going to school. She basically showing what lots of women go through in real life
@terrancegallemore6864 TRUE!!!
Yes she totally did
I think diamond did what she wanted to do.
@@walk_erExactly she obviously wanted to be grown and do things her way.
Ronnie and Trix are fairy hoe mother's of the players club😂.
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Some men genuinely will pay to be in the presence of a beautiful women tbh . It may not be long term but they will pay
7:51 when this movie came out I was a kid. Before I knew the importance of an HBCU.. the dads character really bothered me calling them "Nigga colleges" that always struck a chord with me. Now even though I went back to school late I am currently in my last year at an HBCU (Johnson C. Smith University) so I feel it is just as important for young black people to go to an HBCU now as it was back in the 90s. because back in the 90s we had influences like "a different world", Martin and Living Single would promote HBCU in the clothing in the wardrobe. So, we saw it back then but now it's just getting popular again because of the importance of representation, education and the political climate has changed plus there are a lot of hbcus they need funding from alumni to stay open. But anyway... 🤷🏿♀️
Congratulations
Happy graduation!!!! Congrats !!!!
You went to JCS? I went to raggedy Saint Paul’s lol
@@joshuainadagbo4771 damn. I had to Google that one?
@@iamstrangepeachesyeah lmao and that’s a dam shame cuz it’s in the CIAA 😂😂
I agree, people really don’t expect women to be as vile as men and don’t take it seriously. People laughed or didn’t believe me when I disclosed that a woman violated me, never wanted to talk about it again.
Cheri: Spending time together may or may not involve sex.
Heit: It involves it.
😂😂😂 I died! Y'all are so funny. I love the back and forth with the male vs. female perspectives. I love it!
I think they made Diamond timid in the beginning to show how the club can change you. Even if it’s a facade you can’t let anyone in the strip club see you sweat. It can be a savage place sometimes. After the encounter with Ronnie that night she had to change how she carried herself to survive.
ronnie is creepy like the way she kept looking at diamond is weird
Ronnie was a full blown lesbian I'm sure.
Yes you took the words right out my mouth 😂
@@StarGoddess_516 she was a lesbian lol which is why she was eyeing diamond in that way
1:47:23 I find the professor's approach to be a lot more than low-key after he saw her clapping in the club.
I think the interest was always there, hence the unwarranted I assistance he gave her all the way through. But he got some more balls once she appeared to be lower hanging fruit than she initially presented.
The real question for me is, would he still have given her this contact at BET if he didn't catch her in the club?
I like to believe the teacher was a stand up dude... There has to be some good in this world😂
When the club burned down I believe it gave Diana/Diamond a clean slate. There is no evidence of her stripping to be found. Also I didn't aee anyone taking photos or videos of the dancers. In regards to Vanessa Williams she believed the photos were for artistic purposes. Its sad that Black women are always exploited, but she rose above all the negativity and had fabulous singing and acting career.
Yes, but the people who were there remember that Diamond was at the club! 😂😂
Yep you are right diana did in a way got a clean slate
People had Cameras tho I'm sure.
Which vannesa Williams u speaking of ?
Miss America Vanessa Williams @@shanazblacksun7201
Lmao the shit we didn’t notice as a kid. Why tf would she find her man in the club vs school, church or the damn shoe store.
Right. I wanted Diamond to date the teacher, Blue seem like a good person
I really feel bad for vanessa Williams she didn't deserve to be forced into giving up her position I'm glad that she got an apology Many years later
Huh?
@shanazblacksun7201 I think this person was referring to Vanessa Williams forced to give up Ms. America title because she had done adult photos.
Y'all watched the video?
@@AxiomAmnesiaProbably was commenting in another video in a playlist, then this video started so the comment landed here incorrectly.
The comment landed correctly because we talked about a Vanessa Williams in this video. The people who don't recognize that discussion didn't fully watch the video.
I know a lot of people may disagree but diamond should’ve just listened to her father. Yes her father was ignorant for his “nigga college” comment but all the bad that came from her being at the club didn’t make going to the HBCU on her own worth it. Yea she’s gonna go to a college of her father’s choice but at least you don’t have to go through what she went through. Some times you have to pick the best of two “evils”
Yeah if I was in that situation I would had listened to the father
Hmmmmm. Good point. Cuz she also didnt even get to enjoy thee depths of what makes HBCUs so cool.. she was sleeping through classes & deflee didnt have time to engage in any campus festivities
tru, and i think it was more about control for Diamond and her father. she was using this as a way to show that she was in control of her life not her father. she was willing to do whatever to be free. she missed on out a lot of the fun shit, friendships and jus overall experiences that would make being at a hbcu important but she wouldnt have had those at the white school either
Btw ronnie like diamond and not as a friend either. This is the reason she was sexually assaulting her in the dressing room. Ronnie is bisexual but prefer women, it is also cited at juniors bachelors party by one of ice cube boys. Also myron was dropped off by ronnie and trix after the club shooting/ sexual assault scene.
Yes you can walk in and work that night depending on the club. You audition so you have what you need.
1:13:27 Ebony’s parents knew she was a mess that’s why they sent her away
Well it was also said that Ebony was Very scary/Fearful/shy.. Thats why she was doing so much drinking.. i think what she enjoyed is the 'Guardian Ship ' & Acceptance Of Ronnie & Gettin Attention from Men.. i dont think she actually enjoyed Stripping. She always seemed like she didnt really wanna do it.. but she liked the skimpy clothes & attention
When Diamond decided she had enough, she had pure Adrenalin and anger on her side! I think when you reach the point of “I’ve had enough,” folks better back up!
The HBCU stigma does have some truth to it. I went to Saint Paul’s and it was a literal shit hole.. basketball program was ass, buildings were old and outdated, athletic directors and higher ups were stealing money.. it eventually shut down and now a Chinese guy owns it and it’s literally just rotting away
One thing to consider is that HBCUs don't have the money that state schools have...
St.Paul is now abandoned if researched it today
@@91Definiteyeah I’m hip some Chinese guy owns it now
@@AxiomAmnesiaall of those success stories didn’t give back. That’s sad
I’d have to agree…I went to Alabama A&M back in the mid 2000’s. Old, outdated buildings and dorms. Embezzling money, crappy food, poor curriculum, no post grad job opportunities in career services for non engineering students, etc. Def was behind the learning curve once I got to law school and I worked my a** off to catch up. There were some great faculty that were there to help tho! I will say that! 😊
It is absolutely realistic that she would work for BET. Don’t underestimate the power of pretty privilege. Annndd she’s light skin, from a good family back ground, with “good” hair, nice body?? Aaannnddd a letter of rec and graduated from an HBCU? Oh Diamond could have gone to BET and then some. And do t forget, News reporters needs the brain and beauty and she apparently has both. So why not go to BET?
It was only unrealistic because of her past as a stripper, not because of her credentials and talent.
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1. Its not uncommon for dancers to jump around at clubs. Most dancers will pay a fee to dance at a club for a few nights. Now it depends on clubs tho cause some compete for women.
2. Today if you are a high level anything professional and you were a dancer its definitely going to turn heads. I mean we got teachers getting outted for doing OF or adult content.
Y'all just be out here blessing me!!! I can't wait to hear what you guys have to say about Diamond, I've been waiting on this one.
Lance was with Ebony before Diana came home. That's why Ebony laughed at Diana when she took Lance into her bedroom.
1:47:34 Maybe the professor saw this before. She wasn’t flaunting her night club money and fame, getting derailed by the usual. She made it semester after semester, consistently trying to keep the two worlds separated. That takes a lot. Maybe he felt she was serious about her future and she was worth helping. I knew a few girls in school who stripped to pay for school. You see them in the Bursar’s office with straight cash paying their tuition. Some you see moving out because the money and or the life had derailed them. And it usually doesn’t take long if you don’t have a plan you at least try to stick to. Ebony had no plan, not even an aspiration to have her own place. She just wanted money and attention from anyone.
That look ronnie gave diamond is everybody who was wishing on a star 12:24
Ooohhhhh. Can Yall Please Do Civil Brand.. It would also allow yall to compare and contrast the roles and acting of LisaRaye and Monica Calhoun
I mean we are questing the rational of these characters but in retrospect... Diamond is 18 to 22... I don't know about anyone else but from 18 to 22... I was a dam fool!!! My decision making process was not up to par with structural life dynamics so there should be grace for Her a bit. I say for a Single Mom at that age... Diamond was pretty grounded given the circumstances but regardless at that time a ton of development is taking place. I also think That professor was just a good dude... Was he attracted to her... Yes rather unconsciously or blatantly but I should say that regardless some People just has that IT factor and it's noticeable... It's heightened actually and Diamond was that girl overall. Also just want to say Chrystal as Ronnie is legendary. I wish her career would have taken off after this... I mean she did that!!! And I think Monica doesn't get enough props for the work she did with this character... I mean Some of her best work... She was in my opinion The star of this film... Incredible job. By the way... Yall be having me dying laughing!!!! BIG Ups from The Chi!!!!
Yeah we talked about exactly this in the video.
@@AxiomAmnesia Omggg Yes You guys covered sooo much in this video... Loved it... Took me 2 days to actually watch the entire video because of daily schedule so perhaps I am actually just spewing back what you guys talked about. 😆. Loved it!!!! You guys rock.
Showgirls was initially universally panned when it came out but eventually became a cult classic when people realized it was satire.
I watch that movie, the movie was actually ok.
9:14 Tricks and Ronnie did seem like pimps, but the pimps nobody wanted to get down with. They only went after the two “green” girls. They couldn’t even find anybody to do the bachelor party. Not even a coke head stripper. There’s always a coke head stripper.
If the players club came out today Ronnie would be tatted up.
Facts 😂
With a 30 inch buss down
I use to dj at a strip club. I let the songs play for 2 & a half minutes. My club was 40 dollars a song. Sometimes I would cut the songs at 2 minutes. I’ve seen the girls make bank just off lap dances alone.
It was realistic for diamond to be a newscaster. Good looks have a lot to do with being on TV. You don't need to have great skills if you have great looks
But what about her history as a stripper? This wouldn't fly in the 1990s...
Guys i was renewing my membership at the same time this video dropped what a treat 😍😍😍 thank you
Thanks so much for all of your support! W appreciate you so much!
I saw in an interview a while back it was said the professor aka Stanley 😂 was out with his boys for a bachelor party
I knew it, I said it in my comment I posted
I personally didn’t like how those boys at her school was talking to her. I definitely would’ve approached her and tried to talk her (if she was comfortable) because let’s be real there was some trauma of both men and women when dealing with trust on Diamond.
She didn’t deserve nun of that mistreatment that was handed towards her.
Right, that was so wrong
Do yall think Ronnie benefits from Pretty Privilege As A Predator & As A Lesbian. 🤔.. i think so. I think ppl wouldn't have been so unguarded & enabling of her fuck shihh if she was Considered Ugly.
Yep!
Alot of Girls Be On Drugs and Alcohol heavy to Get thru the Angst. Cuz it often doesn't wear off cuz Guys in Clubs are aggressive and entitled and often disrespectful.. and thats most clubs tbh. But its worse in Strip clubs & Clubs that Have Bottle Girls & Waitresses that wear Thee Sexy Uniforms & Twerk.
The girls that dont use drugs and alcohol are often true performing Artists and Zone out into the Joy of Performing & Creating.. Some Girls get very Spiritual & Pray, Meditate, do Yoga & Shihh. Some juss do the bare minimum & get pity tips & pretty privilege tips. 😂
I’m a stripper yes once you get hired most places will tell you you can start and work, and when you go audition you sis already have everything you need to work.
😂😂😂wow
Interesting
Teacher was being nice, but a little creepy
Some clubs let you walk straight in. In more well known clubs you have to audition
I’m so happy I found this page
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I agree with the whole conversation on hbcus. I graduated from one for undergrad and am currently at a pwi for grad school. The level of support I felt from professors is completely different.
Yes, these are completely different worlds!
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Y'all did an excellent job breaking down Diamond!
Blue was so excited to flex that gun 😂
In Some states you need a License to strip. It's really a process. But alot of Cities and states dont always enforce that protocol. So getting hired & put on the floor on the spot/in the same day, could very well be a red flag.
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@@AxiomAmnesiaalohaaaaaaaa !!! 😁🥳👑🙌🏿🤗💖
Beloved is not thandies first role, she was in a movie with a young nicole kidman. That's her first role and she had been in other movies.
The minute you realize that the mom is Harriet Winslow 😂😂😂😂😂
Light-skinned Harriet Winslow (like light-skinned Aunt Viv). Jo Marie Payton was the original. lol
😆 I only acknowledge the original Harriet! 😂
That ain't no damn Harriet!! At least not mine.
Pretty much Gina’s mom from Martin
@@AxiomAmnesiasame!
Just because Ronnie was bigger than diamond doesn’t mean she was gonna win. Diamond knew how to get around Ronnie plus she was strong asf and was able to flip Ronnie completely over at the end of the fight.
Ronnie is so gross to me. Nothing but a predator.
Selling 🐱 directly is prostitution the game don't change 😂
1:03:10 when this movie came out, I was 15 years old (side note, LisaRaye was my crush until I was about 24 or 25). That being said, i remembered how much college was and I remembered going to school with a "stripper" (more on that later).
I grew up in Texas, so the average cost (excluding big universities such as UT, TA&M, TX Tech, Rice, etc... during 2000 to 2006) of tuition was about +/-$2k. It was the room and board that cost the most because at the time, a pell grant was enough to cover most if not all of the tuition. When you look at the movie at face value, it doesn't look like Diana/Diamond ever lived on campus, and even back then, living off campus was a bit more expensive than living on campus because colleges tend to over inflate the rent.
When i transferred to A&M Corpus Christi, we had a section of the student center where most of the black, some Mexican and a few white students would kick it. One of them (who was actually a friend) use to work at this place called Cheetahs (coincidently i never went). She actually told us stories that didn't portray the lifestyle in a glorious light (she even said that, because she wasn't "top heavy", she had to keep up her pedicures, obviously for clear heels, to compete to get her tips). However, she was from Corpus, which leads to my main point of my post.
I'm not saying that wasn't possible to strip to pay for school (which used to be kind of a trope if not a joke), you do have to take into account what was being paid for. Diamond drive a practical priced car (Honda Accord), a decent apartment (probably about $400 a month compared to about $1200 for a 3 bdroom (one for her, son, and ebony)), and went to an HBCU (which is typically cheaper than a traditional state college).
This movie is still a classic.
Do you think Diamond Parents knew bout Lance being Kinda Living with Diamond. And they sent Ebony as a Buffer in a way.. Kinda how when One child go on a date, the parents send a younger sibling or whatever with them.
Hmmm... good question!
360😂 wasn't No way diamond mama was going to let that little fast niece if hers stay at her house
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I never looked at it as they were trying to portray Trix as ugly but more so old and washed up. Body not like it used to be and just past her prime. I get the colorism aspect of it tho as far as casting.
How about unattractive for the reasons you mentioned? They were portraying her as undesirable. That's the point here.
@@AxiomAmnesia undesirable for sure. I just process it differently than ugly. Basically undesirable for the strip club setting but not ugly to the outside world.
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I will say that I think the professor character was meant to be a foil to Lance, not to be a stalker. Lance wanted Diamond to quit working at the club but offered her no alternatives. Here comes in the professor, who sees Diamond when she’s having all these problems with her parents, Ebony, Lance, Myron, Ronnie, etc who does offer her an alternative once he sees what is keeping her from being focused right before graduation
360 Deal! "I had a 4 year hustle plan that was the bomb" 😂😂😂 and y'all killed me imitating her acting in the dressing room!
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Nah 2023 prostitutes dont have to stand on the corner. They just gotta stand on bidness😂
Yall went too hard on Diamond on certain points but I get the sentiment. But you can tell that yall aren't so educated on certain cultural aspects of the black experience, not fully anyway. No shade at all, just an observation from a beloved subscriber.
Can you do Jason’s lyric please
We have a fan theory on Jason's Lyric, but we haven't done a full breakdown on it ... check this channel for three videos we have on that movie. 😊
Ronnie was my favorite 🍒 she need her own movie
Nudity doesnt stop actresses from advancing in thier career, you have to be a good.actress to keep getting roles.
Charlize theron was nude in devils advocate
Lena headley was nude in 300
Margot robbie was nude in wolf of wall street. Lisa ray wasnt a good actress.
Showgirls tanked Elizabeth Berkeley’s career. It didn’t help that she was terrible in the role
I seen Showgirls a handful of times. The storyline is decent, the acting for Elizabeth was over the top. The rape scene in that movie 😢😢😢😢.
Lmao. I think the Professor juss went down there on some special occasion shihh with Friends.
That's one of the things I found funny about Diana she really thought that she could have a career as a TV news anchor after being an exotic dancer for 4 years
This movie lowkey made me not like ice cube for a minute.
Bruh if I had a day like diamond had I would just break down and pull my hair out what the hell😂😂😂
Can't believe it's been 25 years since this Classic. They were Ahead of they Time.
And we know The King 👑 of Comedy made this movie in Bernie Mac 🙏🕊️🐐🎤
A lotta Legends gone as well such as:
Bernie Mac 🙏🕊️🐐🎤
Charlie Murphy 🙏🕊️
AJ Johnson 🙏🕊️
Tiny Lister 🙏🕊️
Michael Clarke Duncan 🙏🕊️
Proud to have Grown up to this and still One of my favorite 90's Films 🎥
AJ Johnson is still alive and well 🙄
1:55:33 I don't think blue had any money like that. When dudes don't have any money they try to like take for a walk or take you to go get ice cream to avoid going to a real restaurant.
its the thought that counts regardless.
@@shaniatingman2083 hell.. I'll settle for the cheesecake factory lol
@@iamstrangepeaches the cheesecake factory isnt cheap either just go for rich guys and stop projecting your high entitled standards on the rest of us
Dollar Bill was barely paying him.
@@shaniatingman2083you’ve gotta be broke if you think Cheesecake Factory is for rich folks lol
I bet LisaRaye's bad acting blocked her more than stripping
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Adele is pretty to me
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As to why she didnt still go to cillege and be able to get a loan, she was most likely still under her parents.
In those situations, you have to either emancipate yourself or get an emergency exception from the school to get loans not co-signed by your parents.
When she left home, she was more than likely 17 and went to her bf's place, and she didn't start stripping until she got to 18.
In short, her parents' financial situation made it harder to get her own loans.
I think your parent only needs to co-sign the PLUS loan. The Stafford and other loans don't need a co-signer. The only potential conflict I see is if her parents were still claiming her on taxes, because that will affect your financial aid. But since she had a child and was living outside of the homealready, that seems unlikely IMO.
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I agree if Dime's daddy was about that life she would've never got knocked up so early.. that guy in the club with Ebony was Master P..
Professor.Stanley in the club...
"Diana Wait, I'm bringing you some homework ‼️"
1:30:38 My naive ass as a kids did not realize that Ronny was a "Aggressive Predatory Lesbian!" #nooffensetotheLGBTQ+community
As a strip club DJ I can assure you a large club with a lot of girls keeps the songs at or around 2 and 1/2 minutes... Most entertainers nowadays for first short of songs because you can squeeze more lap dances out of a person in a shorter period of time... Strippanomics 101 🤟🏾
Listen... Thanks so much for giving us the insider info on this!
No worries. Im at work right now so I couldn't finish the video but if I have any more insights, I'll put y'all up on it😂... I'll gather Intel while I'm here at the club tonight .. lol
Chiiiillleeeee. You'd be surprised how many ppl get to the peak and even thee end of their Senior year in college and Drop Out.. 😭
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1:28:42 I’d like to believe that he was too decent to have plotted coming up there I hope it was a coincidence 😂😂😂
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And the professor had no idea how she was making money. He started looking at her in a different light.
**there's some hos in this house**🎶🎵🎼
Nobody noticed that Myron was in the car with Ronnie while Diamond and Blue was talking , I believe Ronnie drove him to her house.
A popular stripper by the name Mercedes Morr was recently murdered by one of her only fans subbies
I always assumed Ebony went over the Ronnie.. plus Ronnie being a Pimp would deflee love to Have Ebony destitute and running to her for refuge.
Sex work is what I call it in the most non demonizing way. We have a culture that demand and promote sex work. Being told to smile as a cashier for minimum wage is no different from being pimped. Sex work can be a healing industry if we let it. I’d love to see people appreciate it more than demonizing.
Do you feel that we demonized sex work? We talked more about it in the previous video, but I'm just curious about your take.
@@AxiomAmnesia Yes, we demonize sex work. To add, ummm, feminism also states let a woman do WHATEVER SHE WANTS WITH HER BODY and prostitution should be legalized (Protects prostitutes).
You totally have a point
Sex sells always have and always will 🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️💁🏽♀️💁🏽♀️
@@AxiomAmnesiaI don’t think that y’all demonized sex work. I do feel y’all struggled, like most to find ways to name it and uplift it. But I don’t think that’s something y’all had to do. I am grateful y’all opened the discussion. There’s a beauty to the history of sex work that we need to talk about as humans. I believe it’s important and healing work. I’m not a sex worker however it’s not a job that’s X’ed off my list. I have Fam and friends that do it and I appreciate the lens in which they use when doing it.
But there is another conversation I feel that y’all were trying to have. There’s a conversation about people (women, gay men, trans folks and even some strait men) expecting others to pay me for their time. I think the issue is at times in the situation people don’t consider it to be sex work. But I don’t know if I am the one to name what that is. Maybe it is an individual’s choice. Personally if I did this id own my profession and call it sex work even if I don’t have intercourse with them. It’s a form of labor. The individuals choice piece reminds me of men who love trans women or have occasional sex with other men, man of them don’t label themselves as “Gay”. Personally that’s fine and their choice. But what are the consequences for not identifying themselves? (That’s a whole other topic)