Saves not by our will is not Calvin but PAUL :) 2thess.2.13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: WHO CHOSE IS ELECT HERE??? MEN OR GOD ?
Hey 2 Tim 2:10 has both the word(s) MY GOSPEL and ... for the Elect's sake that they may OBTAIN salvation!!! My old pastor preached that passage of the verse that day and titled his message SALVATION! Got it on tape still!
So how do we OBTAIN salvation without already being ELECT this verse puts it in order! So there how would a Calvinist explain this passage and the rest down the page?
"I was Calvinist for maybe 35 years. Am 76 now. Left it totally about 9 years ago. At peace about it now." If I may ask the following....were you at peace when you were a Calvinist? If not, why?
@@Neville.Ndero8 "I see their comment really hit you hard." Well, from reading your comment, I just have a couple of points: 1) Since your response truly has nothing to do with what I asked, it appears that your comment derives from emotional vomit. 2) If your comment is the best you have to offer, then sadly, your IQ is lower than those of The 3 Stooges.
@@johnknight3529 "I think He predetermined for you to be able to have such peace and assurance of His Affection." As with the last fellow who commented, I don't see how your comment answers the question I asked.
My main takeaway from this interview was literally one of her first statements. She was trusting in ELECTION instead of the Person of Jesus and what He has done for humanity. Wow! That never occurred to me, but it makes sense. I was never a Calvinist but I’m going thru a similar experience of coming out of some other false doctrines. It’s a hard journey but it’s also very rewarding. Great interview! Thank you both. 🙌🏼
Calvinists do not trust in election. Calvinists merely acknowledge the significant fact that God is sovereign, and the fact that we are saved by grace, through faith, and even that faith is a gift of God. Ephesians 2: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. It frankly sounds like gibberish to say "I had hope in election instead of Jesus." Election did not die on a cross and rise again to give us eternal life. Election is how God got us to Christ to have hope in Him and His atonement and resurrection. Sheesh.
@@jamesedwards.1069 right. I’m familiar with how you guys word things. However, I feel like she has a point. Because the sacrifice of Christ and his grace only apply to you if you are elect, right? So can you really say that you were trusting, wholly in the merits of Christ without first being elect? It seems logical to me.
@@blueticks8423 Maybe I wasn't elected and predestinated until I asked God to predestinate me for election? See, the problem with Arminians is you try to cram God's truth in to the various round and square and triangular holes of human logic. Sometimes you just have to accept what God has said at face value. And if you take it at face value, it's profoundly paradoxical. It's dealing in multiple dimensions of reality beyond the four (4) that we are used to working with. God says he foreknew and predestined. God also says, "choose you this day whom you will serve." God says He gave His sheep the gift of faith by grace, and not of works. God also tells us we show our faith by our works. I certainly don't have the human English verbiage to satisfy all your curiosity, but, I am comfortable telling you this: God has taken the initiative by creating you and saving you and if you concur with God's will then exercise your will to conform it to His will and put one spiritual foot in front of your other spiritual foot and follow Him, in faith, trusting and believing. If you think otherwise, then, what do you care whether God predestined you for hell or not? I'm convinced nobody can say that God predestined them for hell, because anyone can open the friggin' door when they hear Him knocking. Anyone can invite Him int. Anyone can come to the fountain of the water of life and drink freely, without money and without price. You can't blame God for giving you what you want. If you don't want God around, then, God made a safe space for you to enjoy His absence. Revelation 22: 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
@@jamesedwards.1069 I can’t say that I disagree with anything that you said. But as far as I can tell, you just explained Arminianism to me and not Calvinism ; at least as I understand systems. For instance, can a non elect person actually conjure up the will to ask God to elect them on the Calvinistic system? He is Totally depraved, beyond reach whiteout the election of God and His irresistible grace coming upon him. The same goes for opening the door when Jesus is knocking. It seems to me that the fundamental difference is that with Arminianism, God predestines those who believe, with Calvinism, God predestines those who WILL believe. With Arminianism there is no paradox between God’s election of those who choose to believe and “choose this day whom you will serve”. The seeming paradox only comes when the Calvinistic system is forced upon the text. That’s my view anyway. I’m always open to correction. So far I haven’t found a way to make Calvinism fit logically or biblically. The very problem with Calvinism is that it creates too much cognitive dissonance for me. You seem to pointed this out yourself when you pointed out how paradoxical it is. If you just look at it through the Arminian system, or better yet, the provisionist system, these seeming paradoxes go away and the word of God becomes cohesive and works together. You no longer have these various ideas that seem antithetical to each other.
@@blueticks8423 For me the apparent paradox is unavoidable. Because we humans can't deal with more than the 4 dimensions we're used to. We just plain can't comprehend the divine milieu. God sees the end from the beginning. Nothing happens without Him doing it. So, in that sense, those who say Calvinists are talking nonsense are correct, sort of. As a Calvinist I'm arrogantly trying to describe something that is beyond both my own understanding and the possibility of anyone else to understand. So, what I think I'm saying is, Arminians claim they understand, whilst Calvinists vehemently deny understanding anything. Romans 11: 33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? 35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. Even Peter had a hard time wrapping his head around what he was seeing with his own eyes. II Peter 3: 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
I received a Bible at 12 years old and read it often (refusing to attend my mother's church). Never, in a million years, would I have gotten from Scripture, Calvinism's God that doesn't love, and didn't die, for everyone.
One should never be discouraged by the fact that it takes considerable time to come out of a particular belief system. You didn't fall in to it overnight, and you won't come out of it immediately. It's a journey, yes,but it doesn't go on forever, you will reach the end.
It’s amazing to me that I was also dealing with Calvinism at the same time. I never was a calvinist but when it was introduced to me, it made me reevaluate everything I believed. It forced me to search the scriptures for myself and stop depending on what other people were saying. It’s also amazing that before I listened to you or Leighton Flowers God answered my questions while I was praying and asking him to show me. He brought Roman’s 1:20 to my mind right in that moment and that verse along with the entire chapter proved to me that it’s because of what we choose AND we have NO excuse! How amazing that God uses Roman’s 1 to open so many peoples eyes to the truth of his word. I was completely blown away from that I knew that there is no question that tulip is completely false.
Hearing JM say this about someone who seriously wrestled with what she was hearing and reading for understanding on her own makes me angry. It really is a gaslight. Thank you for your story.
@@GreatLightStudioswhat Alana says at 59min is correct.. in any area, not just this.. if we believe the bible to be tge word of God that is.. otherwise,we are exhaultinng our selves over him.. and that's not a good place to begin .. humble ourselves.. etc Thanks for the time you take to put all these videos together.. They're helpful 👌
@@djs9315 John MacArthur should not say that anyone should keep their thoughts and concerns to themselves, he's definitely wrong about that. But, what Alana is saying is mostly gibberish and nonsense. If we're saved by grace, through faith, and if that faith is itself a gift of God, then, Arminianism has to be wrong, and so-called "Calvinism" is much closer to God's truth.
@@jamesedwards.1069 I don't see a great deal of difference between the 2. Why does it have to be looked at through these systems.. I'm not opposed to instances of determinism in the bible.. God obviously determined alot.. the earth.. creation etc.. but I think its a step to far when a systematic theology is so definite its right and everything else is error.. that's a man centred pattern.. us speaking so assuredly for God. To think like this is a classic example of throwing the baby out with the bath water. We can only know.. in part.. at best, in this life.. I don't align with either.. I just stick to the ink bits best I can and know that 10yr from now my views will no doubt change in ways as I grow in understanding.. There isn't a man alive who hasn't fallen into heresy at some point.. obviously 🤷♂️😂 God bless you mate
Another great video, Alana is having a very positive effect regarding her journey out from under the unnecessary burden of Calvinist doctrine. It's another much needed testimony to encourage others emerging out of the 'fog' and into the light that God really does love all of his creation.
Jacob have I loved but Esau have I hated(Rom 9:13) and GOD hates the workers of iniquity(Psalms 5:5) proves that the GOD of the Bible does not love everyone
@@markshaneh I know that GOD loves me in the Lord Jesus Christ ONLY. Your pelagian theology ultimately puts you in charge of your salvation and assurance. The Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ is the Assurance of any Bible believing Calvinist. His Blood is ALL my Righteouness, Holiness and Assurance. You pelagians can never say that without lying
God loves all those who are IN Christ.. this isn't unique to calvinism.. Why write Bible believing calvinist.. like padding it out with the bible believing bit.. thsts s bit gas lighty.. like if you believe the bible you must be a calvinist?? 🤦🏻♂️ if you believe calvinism to be the true understanding of the word of God.. why not just write calvinist.. or.. maybe you could just write christian.. but then you'd not be set apart from the rest of us who are intellectual retards & numb skull peasant I guess .. who just do t get it.. below the pay grade 🙄😤 Calvinists have a condescension about them that is just plain unpleasant.. I'm sure your a nice guy.. ahh whatever 🙂👍 You write about assurance.. what is it your so sure of that RC Sproul wasn't.. Just curious.. I'm not a calvinist hater.. I like some of what some of the reformers say.. Arminians I loved but calvinists I hated 😂😂 (tongue in cheek joke.. obviously). But I'm always curious as to how someone who believes in this understanding of the faith.. knows they're one of the elect.. like really.. actually has confirmation.. because it looks like a lottery to me.. by definition of Calvin himself as GOD determining who and who not.. can any of us ever truly know under this teaching
Very insightful. Many of things you guys talked about are things we've concluded, as well. Sadly, pride will always direct us away from the truth. Also, the point early on regarding putting election ahead of the Gospel is completely correct. Love your attitude and patience in wanting to share Scripture with others. Keep speaking the truth in love! ~Flynn @ Once Lost Ministries
Hey Flynn, It's Race. Yes, when someone puts their theology above the person of Jesus Christ and who he is, as well as the true gospel of grace alone through faith alone in the blood atonement alone for salvation. Then error and deception creeps in to the person who holds their theology above Jesus Christ and his gospel.
Alana is great... her testimony has encouraged me to keep on talking to my calvinist friends to leave the horrible nightmare of calvinism... Praise the Lord for the lives of brothers and sisters in Christ who have left clavinism and share their testimonies.
Great interview! I love hearing more about Alana's story in all her videos. We have very different stories but we both came out of Calvinism and are so thankful.
I was a Calvinist for 32 years. I went to Refomed Seminary, grew up in a Refomed Church and 3 yrs ago began to question things. Since, 2 months ago I officially left Calvinism. I got rid of ally Refomed books (aboutn$2K worth of books). So, as I am beginning to rebuild my library. I will say how freeing it was/is. It is like I'm falling in love with Jesus all over again.
When Calvinists say that former Calvinists "Were never really Calvinist" or nonCalvinists who reject Calvinism "Just don't understand Calvinism", what they are implying is that if that only knew enough Calvinist reinterepretation of Scripture, redefinitions of words, ignoring of logical contradictions, etc... Then they would be able to keep Cognitive Dissonance up and running constantly so that they can accept Calvinism as true.
Don't non Calvinists do the exact same things such as "redefinitions of words, ignoring of logical contradictions" as what they accuse Calvinists of doing? If you were to be consistent, the answer would have to be yes. So you really don't prove anything.
I would wonder after leaving Calvinism would she say the scriptures have come alive to her? I didn't even know what Calvinism us but I had a Calvinistic way of understanding scripture and when that left all the puzzle pieces of Christianity seem to just fall in place and everything made sense. I wonder if she had a similar experience.
Glad to see Alana has almost completed her “Why I left Calvinism” tour. Need millions more like her to reject the toxic TULIP and get on the Jesus train. 🚂 ☦️🙏🏼
God changes the world by letting us know the gospel that everyone can be saved by christs blood grace through faith. Not saved by election or damed by being passed over before creation. We all have that blessed hope when we believe and become elect.and become predestined for santification and glorification.
@@michelhaineault6654 lol that's exactly wrong. God saves us by his grace. He gets all the glory. He has decided to save all of those who believe by faith. He did does not have to but was and is gracious. Our faith does not save us. Our fath does not save us. It faith is a ability and gift God gave us all it is not a salvation meriting work. Nothing we do can save us. We are all doomed to hell. Fortunately the blood of Christ covers our sins but only when we use our faith ability God gave us and believe. Using that gift is a responsibility God gave us to use in order to receive his salvation. The faith itself does not save God saves those who have faith in him. If I give you an ability and gift to fly to the stars. And you choose not to use it but walk instead that's on you not me. With out my gift you can not fly to the stars I still get all the credit and glory for the gift I gave you whether you decide to use it or not. Your teachers teach you and give you knowledge its your responsibility to apply it and use it or not they the teachers still gets the credit for teaching you the knowledge regardless as you did not teach yourself. It is mankind's responsibility to reject or accept jesus not God responsibility to do that for them. Your mom cooks you dinner she gets credit for its the dinner. You dont get credit for the dinner whether you eat it or not both of which you have the innate ability to do. It is not her duty to eat its the dinner for you. Or even to make it available for you to eat but by her love and grace she lovingkyboreoared it for you. Now its on your to use that free will choice reasoning him get survival and others influences to make your choice in the matter. To eat or not to eat that is the question. Your mom did not decide before you were born for you to eat dinner tonight only that one day she would name dinner available to you. Yet she still gets credit all of it whether you eat or not which your have the ability to do through free will reasoning intellect etc the humans possess being the image of God in this earth.
@@Tigerex966 Tell that to the American Indians who didn't hear the gospel until about 200 years ago give or take. If the bible says you must know Jesus and have faith in Him, and it says how will they hear without a preacher, then its clear, many, many, many, did not hear the gospel. I believe both God's election and man's responsibility, I don't have to reconcile them, it seems scripture teaches both. God-bless
How does grace knock out choice? It is God's grace that He even offered salvation at all. If you are offered something you have a choice to either accept that or say "no". God offers us salvation by His grace, and we can either choose to accept it by faith, or choose not to accept it in our unbelief.
Exactly. THAT is the Gospel message. ALL have fallen short of the glory of God and God loves the world so much that He gave His only begotten Son so that anyone who believes can be saved! Calvinists reject the Gospel.
I appreciate this interview. I just wanted to add I had a similar experience of believing God isn’t done with Israel- and that fact shapes our understanding of so many scriptures. And though I dabbled in Calvinism, because of my marriage/in-laws family… I could never quite fully cross over because I was taught a more straightforward way of interpreting Scripture from a young age. (Praise God!) Replacement theology is a very damaging teaching that hides the big picture of what God is doing with Israel simultaneously with what He is doing with believers of Jesus. Bottom line- He keeps His promises. And He has opened up the way for any to accept and believe and flee their sinful consequences through Jesus Christ. No elitist in/out clubs needed. 🙌🏻
As I read through the Bible I see versus like: Galatians 1:15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace, (ESV) How does this fit into your interpretation of Calvinism ?
I am going through something similar in the Church I attend (which is Calvinist). The people are just fine, but talking about the shortcomings of Calvinism meets blank stares, reference to Arminiasm, or gaslighting (from the Elders no less).
What you said about sneakily reforming people, reminds me of the verse that says the shepherd comes in through the front gate but the thief comes in through the back
I do not see any contradiction between God's sovereign choice, which is crystal-clear in Scripture, and our responsibility to choose, which is also emphasised in the same Scripture. The first contains the second. Why can't we passionately and lovingly appeal to all men to be reconciled to God in Christ, and at the same time accept that God will have mercy on whom He will have mercy? WE do not know who the elect are - GOD does. It is not our job to tell the Most High how to conduct His business. I think we are all too prone to this. Love to you all in Jesus.
Alana is very lovely, sincere n Christ loving👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏But I hope that she keeps on digging. I believe she will arrive to what she ought to conclude at the end! May God bless you both🙏🙏🙏
John MacArthur's arrogance in both his words and tone was most distasteful! It was both condescending and degrading. He was actually pontificating as if he were the final authority on this subject!
Why would God even give us the command to multiply if half or more of our children would be non elect it does not make any rational biblical sense Why does scripture say train up a child in the way he should go and he will not depart from it what there's no point in Calvinism. Appreciate your both and all the work you're doing.
Dear Calvinist You have been fed with a whole heap of presuppositions about passages in the Bible. I pray that God takes the scales off your eyes and that you may see those scriptures in context minus the presuppositions. From a former Calvinist
This Q&A is taken from a debate (still on RUclips) between Dr. Flowers (Provisionist) and Joel Webbon (Calvinist). My jaw dropped when Webbon replied to one of Flowers questions. Q: Why did Jesus marvel at peoples unbelief if he made them that way? It's like marveling that people can't breathe underwater. A (Webbon): I don't like to say this, but Jesus was not particularly helpful (to Cultvinists) here. 😯
I look forward to your “Leaving Arminianism after 19 Years” video… after all, if this is meant to be a substantive argument, what about the folks who left Arminianism and became Calvinists? Wouldn’t that be equally substantive?
Who said that this video is meant to be a "substantive argument"? Alana's leaving Calvinism is not being presented here as evidence or proof against Calvinism.
@@GreatLightStudios ok, so are you going to interview someone who made a change in the opposite direction? There is no shortage of those folks, and it would be interesting to hear why two different people came to very different conclusions when faced with the same evidence in the same sort of dilemma.
@@kylefloyd5177 I sure wouldn't be opposed to doing something like that eventually. I just had a recorded conversation with a Calvinist that I'll be sharing soon where he explained why he believed what he believed.
It is no novelty, then, that I am preaching; no new doctrine. I love to proclaim these strong old doctrines, that are called by nickname Calvinism, but which are surely and verily the revealed truth of God as it is in Christ Jesus. -Charles Spurgeon
Here is another verse someone in the Fb arminianism vs calvinism group pointed out It is a distinction between those predestined to believe in jesus in first century AD palestine, and everyone after them. john 17 is jesus praying to god to protect those elect. john 17 20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you jesus was saying that before he had been killed. the NT had not been written yet nor the apostles travelled around preaching the gospel. " I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message" that is everyone that had never met him at the time and in the future from the first century ad but heard in person from the apostles in the first century ad or heard from the bible after it had been written 40-66 AD. So no one over the past 1900 years or so is elect or predestined despite how big the calvinists ego might be.
I know Alana probably won't see this comment, but maybe someone else who reads it may benefit. This came to my mind when she was talking about her friend who wasn't receptive to the Scriptures she shared with her. Joshua 24:15 is the famous passage where Joshua tells the Israelites to CHOOSE who they will serve. Maybe she shared this verse and it didn't connect. Or it could be that she is being affected and just isn't saying it like her other friend she mentioned.
We don’t need teachers as the Holy Spirit teaches us , 1 john 2, that’s not to say we should be unteachable, we just need to check what anyone says by the scriptures
How is God still sovereign if He's not sovereign in Salvation? He has to be Sovereign or He's up there just reacting to whatever we do. Do you dismiss these verses in Romans, Rom. 9:11-23 We have to humble ourself and realize we most likely are not able to completely understand this particular doctrine with our finite minds. I think it boils down to people don't think it's fair of God to save whoever He chooses and condemns others. We all should be in that second group, but God in His great mercy has called and saved those whom He chooses. I. was a christian for 20 years before I heard the doctrine of election. It was very humbling to me, overwhelming to think He chose me. He turned my heart of stone to a heart of flesh and gave me faith to believe. Amazing. 'What shall we say then ? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! For he says to I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion ." So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. ...
Hi Christine, of course God is sovereign in salvation. No one is debating that. However, for God to be sovereign over all things does not not mean that he meticulously determines and controls all things. Nothing in the word "sovereign" implies or necessitates "meticulous determinism." I do not dismiss Romans 9. I have multiple videos on it... here's one: ruclips.net/video/DRo1HUXkWB0/видео.html
@@GreatLightStudios Indeed, God seems to mostly allow people to do as they please, and yet His will is accomplished in spite of this. God is in front, behind, and in the midst. We should understand all we can but recognize our limitations. There will always be mysteries in the Gospel; many true things are dualities and remain in tension. When we over-systematize theology, we are trying to flatten out the deepest things of God to the point we can put them on a spreadsheet. I think that's a grave error. It is only in the person of Jesus Christ that these tensions resolve. (Law/Grace, the usual disagreements.) Only He is the personification of all "sides" of each truth. He's the only One who contains all of it. Therefore (as always), He is the ultimate answer to those questions. We will never see it all, but we see Him. I was very grateful for this interview. A wise and compassionate treatment of this error.
After about 10 years as a Calvinist then leaving Calvinism behind, I still often wonder if Calvinism has cult-like under pinnings, not saying Calvinism is a cult but I still wonder does it have cult-like tendacees ??
@@dfischer5878 Hope this makes sense....I think Calvinist/Augustinians/Reformed believers get the Gospel right in many ways on the front end but when it comes to the details the pulling back the curtain as it were of the Gospel of Jesus they get it VERY wrong and distort Gods very character in the process.
"Insulting your brother and sister while disproving their system"... Are you implying that someone who believes in a false God, Jesus and Gospel are your "brothers and sisters in Christ"? The fundamentals/distinctives of Calvinism directly contradicts God, the Gospel, Jesus and Scripture. Calvinism is not Biblical Christianity, just as Mormonism is not Biblical Christianity. We don't go around calling Mormons our brothers and sisters in Christ. Do you, by using your same standards you use for Calvinism, call Mormons your brothers and sisters as well? If not, please explain to me why. Why do you put Calvinism in it's own special category, but are hypocritical when it comes to Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormonism and other false religions that believe in perversions of Jesus, God and the Gospel and claim 'Christianity'? EDIT: I am genuinely curious on this issue... I see this with Leighton Flowers and others... and I find it very inconsistent and dangerous. What I observe is Christians making hundreds of videos proving and explaining how Calvinism perverts God, Jesus and the Gospel... but then in the same sentence call all Calvinists their "brothers and sisters in Christ"... Logic explains why that is inconsistent and contradictory. I find this stance dangerous because it gives false validation that Calvinism is part of Biblical Christianity. It may give false validation to an unsaved person that they are saved even though they reject the actual Gospel as revealed by Scripture. I feel, those ignorantly pushing this agenda to call all members of a false religion (Calvinism) "brothers and sisters in Christ", are actually doing more harm than good for the sake of "being nice". It is part of the problem and it enables Calvinism to thrive within our communities... further enabling more victims to be potentially confused and get beguiled by false preachers into Calvinism and away from Christ.
Respectfully, the Bible says that God is sovereign and yet we also have free choice. Both are true. Comparing Arminians or Calvinist’s to Mormons is not a fair comparison. Both Arminians and Calvinists have the fundamentals of the gospels correct. I got saved in a word of faith church without realizing that’s what it was. WOF is a different gospel and very self centered, and it only took me 3months to notice something wrong. I’ve been leaning now towards the Calvary church which seems to take the middle road. Blessings
I have wrestled with everything you have said in this comment. The reason I still call Calvinists “brothers and sisters” is because many who call themselves such are not _staunch_ Calvinists. I’m thinking of people like the band “Shane and Shane” I believe they are Calvinists but I would bet they are very inconsistent and have just been taught calvinistic interpretations and do not know any other way to see it. But it is clear by the fruit of their lives that they love Jesus and are following Him. I also know many people with calvinistic leanings or when pressed will say they consider themselves a “Calvinist”. But I know they love Jesus, they love people, and they are trusting in Christ alone and not their works to be right with God. I cannot in good faith declare them “false believers”. The other groups you mentioned teach a works based “gospel”. They literally do and preach works to earn salvation. However, hyper Calvinists are way over the top and unreasonable. I do have a hard time considering hyper Calvinists brothers and sisters because I do not see the fruit of the spirit in their lives and they are dogmatic about doctrines that are way over the top and extreme.
@@followerofjesus931Arminianism vs Calvinism is a false dichotomy... Green Light Studios, including myself are not Arminian. Arminianism is Calvinism light. BOTH start with unbiblical presuppositions (election = God choosing individuals to Salvation before eternity past based on foreknowledge (Arminianism) or unconditionally (Calvinism). When BOTH are unbiblical and false. Scripture says that election is to servitude and future blessings, not Salvation. Hopefully you can stop thinking of false dichotomies and actually think about the other options, like believing only what Scripture says and not some theological systematic.
@@Loves2HugItOut hear ya, BUT your reasoning seems very flawed to me. We don't call ALL members of a particular false religion our "brothers and sisters" just because some of them might not fully believe in that false religion. I could use that standard to call Muslims my brothers, Mormons my brothers, etc. Now, I'm not advocating to go up to every single Calvinist and say "you are not saved"... I'm merely saying that we should take a hard stance on Calvinism for what it is, and what it is not. I say, "IF you have only ever believed in Calvinism, you are probably not saved... Calvinism isn't Biblical Christianity " Paul didn't go up to the Judaizers and call all of them "brothers and sisters in Christ", because some of them could be confused. In other words, we should still be respectful and longsuffering with all Calvinists and try to preach them the Gospel like we would with a Mormon. As long as we seperate Calvinism from Christiandom, like we do with other false religions that claim "Christianity"... I believe that would be a good start and hinder false Calvinist preachers from beguiling as many people. We should just teach the truth and defend the faith. Simply: 1.) Calvinism is not Biblical Christianity and perverts God, Jesus and the Gospel. Can not save anyone. 2.) Preach the Gospel to members of Calvinism, and explain to them why Calvinism is not part of Biblical Christianity. EDIT: We should not give false validation to individuals who might not be saved because they actually don't know nor believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. As a born again Christian, I just can not fathom someone who knows Christ ever believing Calvinism. I can guarantee, that once someone knows Christ and believes, they would leave Calvinism. I have been studying Calvinism for years and have had hundreds of discussions with them... 99% of the time I am finding myself in every situation defending what Scripture says and defending the Gospel against someone who rejects it, mocks it, and perverts it. I believe Calvinism are the ones gaslighting actual Christians to call them "brothers and sisters in Christ", because it gives them an advantage. I truly believe that Calvinism is a parasitic gnostic religion that masquerades as "Christianity", that infiltrated Christiandom through Augustine/Manichaean Gnosticism. Today, Calvinism is just an evolved modern version. Calvinism is a cancer to Christianity, and it is attempt to take over/destroy Christianity from within. Question: Would you let a Calvinist you call "brothers and sisters in Christ" be a youth Pastor at your church? Potentially beguiling the children into Calvinism?
@@eiontactics9056 I’m just saying that I think it is impossible for a Mormon or JW to be saved because they believe they must do works to be saved. They literally believe, teach, and flaunt that works are needed for salvation. We cannot clump Calvinists with them. As much as I despise calvinism, the truth is there are many people who say they are Calvinist and love Jesus, love people, and trust in Christ alone for their salvation. We can’t get around that. So the reality is, it cannot be black and white. I agree, calvinism in its purest form is a false gospel, but the reality is many Calvinists are inconsistent(luckily) and are saved ( they love Jesus, love people, and are trusting in Christ alone for salvation) and so I call them my “brothers and sisters”
Wow, totally shocked. "She should keep her comments to herself" - MacArthur. As if no one else ever with a master's degree came to a conclusion other than his own. He is truly pontificating these days.
Revelation 22:17 says, “Whosoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.” Calvinism, however, says it actually means: The ones I (God) chose, will take of the water of life. John 3:16 says, “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” Calvinism, however, says this verse actually means: For God so loved the ones He chose, that He gave His only begotten Son, that those He chose WILL have everlasting life. Joshua 24:15 says, “…choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve…But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.” Calvinism, however, says this verse actually means: There is no choice, rather, God will decide whether or not one will serve the Lord. 2nd Peter 3:9 says, “The Lord is…not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.” Calvinism, however, says this verse actually means: The Lord is not willing that any of the ones He has chosen should perish, but that all of the ones He has chosen should come to repentance. Matthew6:8-10 says, “…therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done.” This is a prayer. If God’s will was already being done as per Calvinism, then why do we need to pray that it will happen? Hebrews 3:12-14 says, “Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end…” This is a call to not harden our hearts and depart from the living God, and to hold our confidence in Christ steadfast until the end. According to Calvinism, we can’t make that decision; God has already decided. John 1:29 says, “The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!” Calvinism, however, says this verse actually means: The Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the few that God has chosen. 1st Timothy 1:15 says, “This is a faithful saying …that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners…” Calvinism, however, says this verse actually means: Jesus came into the world to save (ONLY) the sinners God has already chosen. 1ST John 19 says, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” Calvinism says, this verse really means, the ones He has chosen WILL confess their sins, and He is faithful and just to forgive them their sins and to cleanse them from all unrighteousness. Calvinism calls confession a synergistic work; meaning a work of faith added to what God has already done. Also, there is no IF in Calvinism. Revelation 3:20 says, “Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.” Calvinism says, this verse really means, “…when the one I have chosen hears my voice, he will open the door…” Luke 13:3 says, “…unless you repent, you too will all perish.” It doesn’t say, “it doesn’t matter if you repent UNLESS I have already chosen you.”
Alana for your friend: In Jeremiah 19:5, God explicitly says God did NOT decree their child sacrifice, NOR DID IT EVEN ENTER GOD’S MIND. God Himself explicitly rejects determinism in this verse.
1co 1:25 Because the FOOLISHNESS of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. Results: 7 For 'foolishness' Mr 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, FOOLISHNESS: 1co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish FOOLISHNESS; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the FOOLISHNESS of preaching to save them that believe. 1co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks FOOLISHNESS; 1co 1:25 Because the FOOLISHNESS of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 1co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are FOOLISHNESS unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is FOOLISHNESS with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
Look at Jeremiah 18 (potter and the clay). God clearly states to Jeremiah the prophet that we have a choice. Paul is simply paraphrasing that scripture when he quotes it because the Jews that he is talking to already know that scripture. Roman’s 9 is just Paul saying that god has a sovereign right to save “by grace through faith” rather than by bloodline.
What is wrong with just reading the Bible plainly and not worry about refuting/reconciling Calvinism vs Arminianism. There’s a lot of distractions here and this person just like me wants to perfectly account for all logic in the Bible. I’ve deliberated and drilled down on this for years and settled the fact that it’s ole to not fully reconcile “repent ye and believe the Gospel” and “those he predestined, he called, those he called, he justified…”. The only verse you could do anything about is the first one. Is it true that “whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish” and “if anyone comes to me, I will in no wise cast out”? Does it also say in the Old Testament that God “hardened Pharoahs heart” and many others showing God’s sovereignty? Concluding everything about Calvinism is perfectly true without full due diligence is just as bad as concluding it’s all wrong without due diligence. The focus on Christ as your highest love is the most critical - this actually stuff MacArthur and Piper and Washer preach all the time. They also are just men and make mistakes all the time
I don't find Arminianism or Calvinism in the scripture. I find a huge God willing to forgive. John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
So many straw man arguments here… 1.she says Calvinism makes one focus on election and not the work of Christ..if someone has bad theology that is on that person.. the teachings of Calvin definitely don’t undermine the Cross that is always the focus Jesus’s work on the cross is the only reason one can be elected it’s a two sided Coin if the Father doesn’t draw you you can’t come and if you deny the Son you remain in your sins..that’s what the Bible teaches 2.to say Calvinism is prideful is another of the same kind of argument if you have a poor theology you will be prideful..Calvinism teaches us that we are sinners that were incapable of choosing God we have absolutely nothing to boast in…can’t say that if you deny depravity..denying depravity gives you something to boast about and a pride in your personal wisdom and soft heart since you chose God and others didn’t..there is nothing hard and tough about completely submitting to Gods will and feeling safe that He is in control of EVERYTHING..I see pride in people that trust their own “freewill and choice “ over Gods 3. To say “when do I tell my kid that only the elect go to heaven “ that just shows she only understood a hyper Calvinist theology..we don’t tell anyone that only the elect go to heaven we simply treat everyone as if they are elect and preach the gospel we don’t know who the elect are or who will come later just preach the gospel and if your kids believe show them that they can be sure of their salvation because God chose them and it’s His work that will keep them and it’s His Work that gave them faith..this will make the completely humble and reliant on God and not their own conjured up faith from themselves “EVERY👈 good thing is from God” And on the contrary while a Calvinist that has terrible theology may focus on election instead of Jesus the one who Denys these humbling Bible truths will never truly trust in the work of Christ because they are also having to trust that their own faith (from themselves) is genuine thus have to trust in themselves also
Hello C-qpo! 1. It´s not a straw man, it´s an observation. That´s her experience as a former calvinist, and I have followed many calvinist teachers over the years and my impression is also that they focus a lot more on election and predestination than on the cross of Christ. It may not be your experience, but it´s the experience we have of it. 2. I also agree calvinism tends to appeal to pride. For a number of reasons: - If you listen to many arguments from calvinists they are based on the idea that calvinism is holier than other theologies, it gives more glory to God, it magnifies His sovereignty, it says salvation is all of God while accusing others of adding works to the Gospel. So calvinists tend to be very prideful about their theology, they don´t just think they are correct, they think their beliefs are morally and piously superior. - It also promotes pride since calvinists believe the reason they believe is a fundamental change of their nature so that they can believe. So they can do this good thing, believing, while an unbeliever hates God and is by nature a worse human being than you are. - It also promotes pride by claiming you as elect are loved by God in a unique way that He does not love the nonelect. A noncalvinist don´t have this problem. 3. Don´t you believe that only the elect will be saved? If you believe that and don´t tell your kids you are just being deceptive. And Alana´s main point about the question is that she found no passages while reading through the Bible that actually seemed to teach calvinism. You may not agree, but it´s not a strawman to share your experience. "the one who Denys these humbling Bible truths will never truly trust in the work of Christ because they are also having to trust that their own faith (from themselves) is genuine thus have to trust in themselves also" So calvinists, being very humble, are the only ones that can truly trust in the work of Christ? You certainly have a very high view of yourself :)
@@thomasfryxelius5526 Once again the doctrine itself is what should be judged not the people ,that by the way you are looking down on saying they are prideful all the while setting yourself on a pedestal as if you’re better..it’s like you don’t even see it ..this is what happens when you deny depravity you begin thinking you have some inner goodness other people don’t have…as I stated Calvinism teaches that we are completely deprived..that is not being humble that’s just straight up saying we are wicked and only God can do good works through us..don’t add to it I’m not saying I’m more humble in fact that is your argument that we are prideful so that must mean you aren’t correct??you dig your own grave boasting in your “humility”.. Genesis 8:21 The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though 👉every inclination 👈of the human heart is 👉evil from childhood👈. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done. I accept the Word of God ONLY because He has opened my Eyes ,removed my heart of stone and filled me with His Spirit..I’m absolutely nothing but a wicked sinner.. that is not humility it’s just Gods truth ..something about the liberalist theology makes people think there is something wrong for having zeal for the truth and fighting for Gods sovereignty.. you act like these things are bad… I boast in my weakness and in the Lord instead of MY freewill and own choices And you didn’t seem to understand my point about telling your kids only the elect go heaven..we don’t know who the elect are period..we we tell our kids that election is Gods work we just treat EVERYONE as if they are elect it’s that simple I have no problem at all telling my daughter that…but there’s nothing deceptive about not going into deep theology with children Salvation is Gods work so her understanding election has no bearing on their eternity ..hope this is received with love…blessings on you 🙏
@@c-qpo Thank you for that reply! It´s a bit strange to argue humility, isn´t it? Let´s just say that I have heard many calvinists talk about how humbling calvinism is, but I have never heard a noncalvinist be impressed with how humble calvinists are. Most ex-calvinists I have listened to had a similar experience; that part of letting go of calvinism was repenting of the pride they found in themselves as calvinists. Do with that what you like. "people think there is something wrong for having zeal for the truth and fighting for Gods sovereignty.. you act like these things are bad" I never said it was bad to fight for truth, but since I believe you are not fighting for truth, I don´t think that´s what you are doing. I don´t think it´s bad to defend God´s sovereignty either, but you redefine Sovereignty to mean that He actively controls everything, including evil. That is not exhalting God, that is presenting Him as much less Loving and Holy than He is, a source of sin and evil. I agree you should treat all as elect since you don´t know... But look at it this way; doesn´t your system teach that before some people are even born God decided to hate them? Isn´t that how you interpret "Jacob I loved, Esau I have hated", as speaking of indiviuals? Correct me if this is not what you believe, but I have heard many calvinists that do. It´s not a misrepresentation. So even if you were to treat everyone as elect, with love and compassion, God still would not love them if they are unelect, He hates them right? And He will not help them, He will pass them over and not make them believe even though He could do so. So when you treat them as elect, some of them might not be truly elect, in which case you care more about them than God ever did, is that not so? It´s hard for me to even express these ideas, they are so horrible to me. The Bible says God is love, and that He wants everyone to come to faith and be saved. Blessings to you too! I am not against you or calvinists, I am against calvinism because I think it is not true and an affront to God. I want you to be free of it.
@@thomasfryxelius5526 tried to reply twice and my comments got erased pretty frustrating..I pray that we both come to true understanding of Gods revelation without trying to twist things to our liking Remember Gods thoughts and ways are higher then our and there’s much we can’t understand and we have no place trying to be the moral judge of God
@@c-qpo I´m sorry to hear about the comments, I can see how that would be frustrating. Amen to that prayer. You said that "we have no place trying to be the moral judge of God". I hope you don´t think I or other noncalvinists are doing that. When we disagree with calvinism it is because we do not believe it represents God accurately at all. I have no objection to anything the Bible says, but I do object to things you claim. "Remember Gods thoughts and ways are higher then our" I agree with this, that God is more just, holy and loving than we can fathom. That is one of the reasons calvinism does not seem right to me. The description of God in calvinism does not seem "high" to me. It seems much less just, loving and holy than the Bible presents Him.
Predestination/election also has a hard historical context that only applied to first century AD. Each chapter where the word predestination appears (which is only 3-4 times) it says first fruits, or first fruits of the holy spirit (day of Pentecost 2000 years ago), or we who were the first to put our faith in Christ..... First fruit can just mean the best of the offering / crop / livestock but in the contexts of predestination it means first in chronological order. Calvinists pride will not allow them to accept this though. So no one ever since those first Christians in the first century AD are predestined or elect.
If someone has been a committed 5 point Calvinist, are they saved, because it seems the scriptures they ignore or change meaning of words are the very scriptures that teach them salvation is by grace through faith in Christ alone, it seems they don’t believe this clear teaching,and if their saved so to must many others Christian groups we call cults. Any constructive thoughts would be appreciated . ✌️
Misrepresentation of the Divine character of God, is taking his name in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name [character] in vain.
We are to believe in the Death, burial and resurrection of Jesus and trust in Him all the days of our lives, to be born again for eternal life. That’s the Gospel 1 Corinthians 15. Soteriology101 RUclips Channel Leighton Flowers addresses the issue of those that hold to Calvinism are saved question, and was a Noncalvinist then a Calvinist, now he is no longer a Calvinist, and says yes, if you truly believe in Jesus you are saved. Alana was on his show a few months ago. Even though Calvinists are saved, they do not believe God loves everyone and when Calvinists do come out they are overjoyed that from Genesis to Revelation God so loved the World that he gave His one and only Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. God did not send His Son into the World to condemn the World, but God sent His Son to be it’s Savior John 3:16,17 May God richly bless you!
@@theresaread72 it seems the 5 point Calvinist believes in a God that decrees sin and forced that decree and it’s punishment upon someone God made unable to repent. Different God ?
@@markshaneh Very true Mark! I’m not sure if it’s a different God as many Calvinists believe in the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ and are saved as I believe Alana and her husband, Hector were saved all that time. Maybe a wrong view of God and Scripture? So blessed you are looking into Calvinism so you can refute it lovingly and truthfully! God Bless You!
No one can be saved by calvinism's false god or gospel. Calvinism seeks to convert Christians to calvinism, not the lost. If a calvinist is saved, it's because of what they believed prior to becoming a calvinist. If someone has been a calvinist their entire life and has never believed in the true God, they are not saved.
The word calvnism in it self is Idol Worship.. Why dont we have a Paulism or a Johnism or a Lukeism because of what Paul, John and Paul said... But Calvin said something and now we have Calvinism... I think its idol worship. People quote more on what Calvin said than what Christ or Luke said.... This sentence alone should make every Calvinist uncomfortable or are we fine with the fact that in a decade from now we will have mcarthurism or washerism.... Dont get me wrong Love John Mcarthur and Paul washer but the Idol worship of john calvin is S I N !!!!!
I love Alana's heart and its interesting because I have been doing something similar for the last 5 years. I have needed to understand why I believe what I believe and to be able to defend it. I have many friends who have all different backgrounds and upbringings ( very cool) I have however, slowly become more sure of what the reformed faith teaches is Biblically sound. I have to be honest, I am sorry you have come to a different conclusion ( but I still love you 🤗) I think what most people don't realize is that not all Calvinists think alike (just like non Calvinists) I have never heard or have ever thought to ask for example, if I was elect or not. That is a stupid question. Also to say that Jesus is not the focus of calvinism and that election is? That is also not even a thing that makes any sense to me and I have been in it for my whole life ( 57 years- why am I so old? 🤣😐) I have now had enough time studying this to have a opinion about what I have seen, and the negative comments are definitely from both sides of this issue. I can understand how it feels like a personal attack when your beliefs are questioned, but there are plenty of terrible comments from the non Calvinist camp. I have never believed that anyone who did not see this issue like me are not saved. I am not in a reformed church now and there is differences of opinion on this issue. As a matter fact, our former pastor layed out the different views on this in a sermon and then explained what his position was. Then stated that it is not necessary to agree with him. The question is, can you support your position Biblically. A few years ago I heard Frank Tureks analogy about Gods love and how He does not force us to love Him. I used that for a few years and loved it. Great analogy. Just not at all Biblical. Alana you say you had a change in your thinking when you had kids, we love them and that is what we do because we want them to love God too. Of coarse. The Biblical analogy ( and the calvinist analogy) would not be someone trying to convince someone to love them and if they dont then you force them to. It is also not God hoping you decide to do it on your own and make a good choice. It is more like your child on the freeway and you would give your own life to save them. You would not sit at the side trying to convince them to move off the freeway. The love that is shown by God to give His own son for our sake is just amazing. That is closer to the proper analogy of love God shows us. But I think what a non Calvinists would say then is...why didn't God save everyone? Does He not have the power? He cant possibly not want all to be saved? Doesn't the Bible say He wants all to be saved? And what they do is change the nature of the saving Gospel message and therefore the nature of God himself from the Biblical God to one who desires all to be saved but somehow can not do it. ( or if you become a universalist you say He did do it) I believe that these questions, which no doubt are very difficult, are answered in the reformed doctrines by exegeting the scriptures as best we can in our fallen state. I could go on but I won't. I urge people to find out these answers. What system best does that? Thank you Jordan for doing this video. Thank you Alana for your kindness and love for God and others. I would love to do another video with you Jordan and I love your gracious heart but I think you also need to seek some of these answers. Hope to see our video soon! 🙂
I appreciate what you posted. Your journey to understand why you believe what you believe is what I am interested in. It appears you have become more convinced. But how did you become more convinced? How did you search the scriptures to prove what is true? I guess what I am asking is what scriptures convinced you? Studying the scriptures is work and can be tedious but I love it. Then there is comparing what I read with other verses. God's word does not contradict and a blessing the Lord taught me is to read slowly and look at all the words in a verse. Now in my life I am still learning, and asking for the Lord to teach me. I have learned a lot in my 40 years following Christ. Yet, still learning. You quoted Frank Tureks analogy about being forced to love God. I agree with you, it's not bible yet God does teach us how to love Him. I don't think in general believers don't think about this. We must learn the how's of how God works in our lives.
Why does Jesus draw "all men"? He knows that not all men will come to Him, but still, He was lifted up on the cross, so according to His promise, He draws them, and that has to mean, He sincerely draws them. John 12:31-33.. I Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 *Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.* 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
@@lindajohnson4204 Thank you Linda . I have close friends who said the same thing. The reading of the text has to fit in the context of who, where, what and why. If you start reading 1 timothy at verse 1 and follow through then, you see Paul is addressing the persecuted followers of Christ and telling them they must also pray for those in authority who are doing the persecuting. He says " for all people, Kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life,,,,,' Paul is telling them they must understand that God wants all kinds of men to be saved. I know I added the word "kinds' but in the original Greek the word 'all" was used by Paul in @ half a dozen different ways to fit the context if what was being said. Every time we speak, the words we use only make sense in context. All words have what is called a " Semantic Domain" That is why it is so hard for people to learn English since we often use the same word but it does not mean the same every time. World is another one that cause us to interpret scripture differently. Do not love the world Jesus said but God also says He loves the world. Context determines the meaning. Charles Spurgeon said " Discernment is not knowing right from wrong. It is knowing right from almost right." This is a big problem in churches and the reason we all are not agreeing on everything. Some people want to say then we should not even talk about it if we can not agree. I think "how " we talk about it is what matters. Biblicism is when we take a verse and fit it in where it really doe not belong. It may change the meaning. As I am studying this I now see this often and cringe because it is not what the verse was saying. The other problem is when you try to correct someone then you are " arrogant" to think you know better. Sometimes that accusation is true. Being loving to help one another is the only way. Thanks Linda God bless ruclips.net/video/aLla5rHmpO4/видео.html ruclips.net/video/BXeDWYbxfGg/видео.html I just want to add something. Sometimes the right question we ask ourselves, leads us to the answer we did not see. Why would Paul tell them to pray to God for them to be saved? He is telling them to pray as " to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth." If Calvinism was not true, then he would have told them to go talk to them and to maybe " ask Jesus into their heart" He is teaching them that just like himself and like them, God is the one who brings people to a knowledge of the truth. Amazing . He gets all the glory and I get none as it should be.
@@truthseeker4869 I have been doing alot today and my brain is abit tired. I want to think for awhile so I do not say something wrong or stupid ( been there done that) In a nutshell, there is a consistent and better exegesis of the texts in the reformed interpretations. I say that with no reservations that it has got everything correct. I have disagreement on a number of things with well, basically everyone. As fallen creatures with a limited ability, then we all just dont see it the same all the time. If I am wrong I want correction. I have told my pastor that since we all must be " working out our salvation with fear and trembling" If I lead someone astray them I am accountable for that. That is even more so for people called to lead Gods people. Alysa Childers said " you can not judge motives" so true. I used to think other people were wrong and they are trying to be wrong. Always learning and I must be open to the fact I could be wrong. But at the same time I must declare truth. The BIG stumbling block in this discussion is " the character of God" How can He love if not everyone gets a fair chance. Well , chance has nothing to do with it. I will tell you the most impactful thing maybe that I have learned. The Bible is a " Historic Redemptive Narrative" It is not written to bring glory to me. The story is written by God to bring Glory to Himself. The title Calvinism carry's baggage. I dont know why. He did not come up with this. I have never read anything he wrote. I have just seen a few quotes. We all come to the text with presuppositions. Mine ran deep since I grew up in the reformed faith. But I never heard the things Calvinists are accused of doing. I have however talked personally to people who grew up in Hyper calvinism and WOW! You need to run from that! I would go to almost any other church than that. A friend told me they had a song they sang about how " we are blessed because we are calvinists...." I literally thought he was joking. I can send you some links if you want. I think we have exchanged comments before online. I hope I was nice.🥴 Dave
@@davevandervelde4799 Thank-you! Yes, I would appreciate the links to study. Why is the stumbling block God's character? I don't understand what you mean. Perhaps the links will explain better. I am also looking into Universalist view points. So always searching to understand the scriptures.
I'd love to hear your thoughts about synergism and monergism. It seems there are two schools of election to me. One where the individual has no say in whether or not they receive salvation, and the other requiring an affirmative embrace of salvation. There are so many unbiblical contradictions in Calvinism.
@@Steve-og4ii Perhaps, but it still a part of their theology and is worth understanding. I have found people are more frequently using the two terms to redefine their understanding of Calvinism. Personally, I don't think Calvinism stacks up in the Word. Too many hoops and acrobatics required to make the case for it.
Thoughts on dispensational ...rightly dividing seems to make the idea of Calvinism and it being confused with Israel..as in Romans 9 etc or even the kingdom they were wanting the king for
She wasn't a genuine Calvinist. No Calvinists claim that election is their hope, but their security fulfilled in Jesus they trust. Btw, noone is to be rescued unless they were elected According the epistle of Eph1:3-14. They are saved because they were predestined before the foundation of the World. I hope you know we're all dead in transgression; The dead spiritually has no self will until the Spirit regenerates from the Dead.
John 18:37 (NIV) 37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”
The ironic thing about your comment on (God electing people before they've ever done anything good or bad) is exactly what Roman's 9:9-11 uses to defend Soviern Election /Sola Scriptora my friend.
@@AlanaL3 This is why the prosperity gospel is so popular, people don't want to believe but they are enticed to believe by promising them wealth and health, how can you make people who love sin more than Jesus desire salvation?
@@AlanaL3 What I'm trying to say is that the desire for salvation doesn't come from man but from God, you don't desire to be saved if God doesn't put it there.
The true gospel is this and nothing else: John3:3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.(not unless they chose me) Everyone who chose is in fact not chosen by God and is condemned and cannot be born from heaven, choice is a work of the intellect and not God Grace .To be born again is the true Grace without this WE CANNOT ENTER INTO GOD ETERNAL KINGDOM . To believe we have to be born from heaven FIRST and this depend only on God will .
46:13 there is never ever a reason when discussing a difference in beliefs to shut someone down, belittle someone, insult some, disrespect someone. No matter what side you're on, i lose all respect for you at that point
Alana: More for your friend with the Trojan Horse question: Thought Experiment: Respectfully and repeatedly ask him: ‘Do you still beat your wife, Yes or No?’ When he tries to explain, emphasize that we can’t progress until he absinthe question: : ‘Do you still beat your wife, Yes or No?’ The point is that the ‘What caused your decision?’ question is stuffed full of false presuppositions, including & especially that humans aren’t responsible first causes for their own decisions, and human inability to ask for help. He is asking you to swallow Calvinist Presuppositions to disprove Calvinism, which is logically impossible.
Mission statements for each denomination is the most important observation. If they believe in God the Father, God the Son Jesus Christ n God the Holy Ghost; Jesus died on the cross, shedded blood 🩸 available for all men so that those who receive Him n repent shall be save🙏if any church has these mission statements, it is deemed to comply with true believers of Christ. Difference in interpretation in theology shall not place them as a ‘CULT’🙏 We need to be clear with our fundamental understanding.🙂
John MacArthur saying somebody doesn't know what they're talking about is rich. After years of profaning God's character by telling people he's the source of every rape, every abortion, every murder, every sin ever, he's going to have a "I never knew you moment." Why people think that's okay is very odd. "Oh, they're still brothers in the Lord." You mean the Lord they're defaming?
Calvinists take the title of Romans 9 and exaggerate it and give the word sovereignty a totally different definition than what sovereignty really means lol
When you want to have a role in your salvation, you will leave Calvinism. Calvinism is all about admitting that you are incapable of saving yourself. Your salvation is dependent on the Lord's grace and mercy, not on you. Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast.
Except that’s logically incoherent. If you’re drowning in the ocean and a rescue boat comes along to save you and throws your a rescue rope, you didn’t somehow “save yourself” because you reached out to grab the rope. Calvinists claiming non-Calvinists believe that they can earn salvation through works is just a strawman argument. No one is claiming that. Can we move forward to actually productive discussions please?
@@harrygarris6921 Where is the verse that supports your analogy? Allow me to educate you on biblical truths so that your won't get confused by your man-made knowledge and understanding about the scriptures. The Bible is clear, we believe that God's grace is available to all, but because of our sinful nature, we cannot choose God on our own. God, in His great love and mercy, works in our hearts to enable us to respond to His offer of salvation. He opens our eyes to see our need for Him and grants us the faith to trust in Jesus as our Savior. We are spiritually dead and before we can reach out to God, He must first regenerate our hearts, which means making us spiritually alive. Our ability to respond to God's grace and accept His offer of salvation is entirely due to His initiating work in our hearts. We are spiritually dead in sin and unable to save ourselves or choose God without His intervention through the Holy Spirit. God's regenerating work is an act of His amazing grace. He makes us spiritually alive, enabling us to have faith in Jesus and respond to His call. It's not about our own strength or merit; it's all about God's love, mercy, and sovereignty. As the Bible teaches, our salvation is a gift from God: - Ephesians 2:8-9 (ESV) says, "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast." - John 6:44 (ESV) says, "No one can come to me [Jesus] unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day." - Romans 9:16 (ESV) says, "So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy." Our salvation is entirely God's work from start to finish, and we can't take credit for it. God, in His infinite love and wisdom, chose to save us, and by His grace, He regenerates our hearts so that we can respond in faith. All the glory belongs to the Lord because it's His power and love that transform our lives and bring us into a relationship with Him. We are grateful for God's mercy and humbled by His amazing grace!
@@alberteinstein7053 it’s weird that you’d want me to supply a verse to support my analogy when Calvinism has dozens and dozens of claims that aren’t explicitly supported by scripture at all. God’s sovereignty being the prime example. Calvinism claims that God being a sovereign being necessitates that he controls every outcome within his creation. This is an illogical and morally bankrupt claim that isn’t supported by scripture. And yet you guys hold it to be true without questioning it.
@@harrygarris6921 where is your verse and exegesis that proves what you said? You can't show me even a chapter in the bible! Let me educate you again the concept of God's sovereignty from the bible: Imagine you have a favorite book, and you know the whole story from beginning to end. You know the characters, the plot twists, and how everything will turn out. In a way, you have control over the story because you know what will happen. Similarly, God, who created the whole universe, knows everything from the beginning to the end. He knows every detail about you and me, and He knows how everything in the world will play out. Bible Verses: 1. Psalm 103:19 (ESV) - "The LORD has established his throne in the heavens, and his kingdom rules over all." This verse reminds us that God is the King of everything, and His rule extends over the whole world. 2. Isaiah 46:9-10 (ESV) - "I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, 'My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose.'" These verses show that God knows the future and that His plans will always happen. 3. Jeremiah 32:17 (ESV) - "Ah, Lord GOD! It is you who have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and by your outstretched arm! Nothing is too hard for you." This verse emphasizes God's power and ability to control everything because He is the Creator. Now, you might wonder, "If God is in control, does that mean we don't have any choices?" Great question! God gave us the amazing gift of free will. It's like He let us be the characters in His big story, and He allows us to make decisions. He doesn't force us to do anything, but He knows what choices we will make because He sees everything like a big puzzle. Sometimes, things happen in life that we don't understand, and it can be tough. But we can trust that God is like the best author who knows how to make a beautiful and meaningful story. He can turn even the difficult parts of our lives into something good in the end. Knowing that God is in control can give us comfort and peace. We don't need to worry because He knows what's best for us. We can talk to Him in prayer and trust that He will always listen and guide us. God's sovereignty means He is the ultimate ruler of everything, just like an author knows the whole story. He allows us to make choices, and His plans are always perfect, even if we can't see the whole picture right now. We can rely on God's love and wisdom, knowing that He is always in charge and taking care of us.
Even John Calvin wasn’t a Calvinist. Piper, MacArthur, Sproul are heavy thick intellectuals. The common simple person would never come up with this stuff just reading the Bible and praying. Intellectualism will never lead to childlike faith.
She leave God true light not Calvin : She show she is always dead in sins) Calvinism do not saves lol Eph.2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: (IT IS NOT OF YOURSELF) it is the gift of Jesus (Grace and faith is a gift of Jesus not a man choice) unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.God:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ We do not believe to be save we believe because we are save by being born from heaven and this have nothing to do with men will it's God Grace.
@@Thinking-Biblically well yes he DOES choose us. It's like adoption. He chooses us as the child but adopted kids don't have to go with the family if they don't want to.
One does not leave calvanism. For calvanism is not a religion. It is a set of doctrines based on the bible. One simply becomes "noncalvanist" because they see that God is not as good as they think God should be. They are disappointed that God is not who they think should be.
Why do you view it as a good thing to claim knowledge of who God is? We have certain things that came through revelation, but Calvinism goes above and beyond revelation to apply human reasoning to understand God. Personally, I think that’s a really bad idea. God is not subject to what the human rational mind can understand. He is God.
Men choice ? Really? John6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. John15:16 Jesus says to the disciples, “You did not choose me, but I chose you.” 1peter1.1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, WHO ARE CHOSEN ! 2tim.2:10 For this reason I endure all things for the sake of those WHO ARE CHOSEN, so that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus and with it eternal glory.
Alana: for your friend: Bad questions are impossible because of buried false assumptions: God created humans ‘in image of God’ and God delegated dominion and He delegated decisions to humans. God’s Word clearly states that humans are the FIRST CAUSE for their own decisions. NOTHING outside a person ‘causes’ our decisions, which is why God says humans are ‘without excuse’. Your friend has swallowed this Trojan Horse Question. The Question Itself falsely presumes “Something Outside Myself Forces my Own Decisions”. This presumption is fatal blame-shifting.
Calvinism's Critical Error Part 1: ruclips.net/video/ygePIgd7DJU/видео.html
Calvinism's Critical Error Part 2: ruclips.net/video/A23Mc_eqWu8/видео.html
Saves not by our will is not Calvin but PAUL :) 2thess.2.13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
WHO CHOSE IS ELECT HERE??? MEN OR GOD ?
Hey 2 Tim 2:10 has both the word(s) MY GOSPEL and ... for the Elect's sake that they may OBTAIN salvation!!! My old pastor preached that passage of the verse that day and titled his message SALVATION! Got it on tape still!
So how do we OBTAIN salvation without already being ELECT this verse puts it in order! So there how would a Calvinist explain this passage and the rest down the page?
What Calvinists Get WRONG About Atonement - ruclips.net/video/8HgG3JdzlqU/видео.html
@@lynnewilley9464 elect mean CHOSEN BY GOD
I was Calvinist for maybe 35 years. Am 76 now. Left it totally about 9 years ago. At peace about it now. God is love.
Thank you again.
"I was Calvinist for maybe 35 years. Am 76 now. Left it totally about 9 years ago. At peace about it now."
If I may ask the following....were you at peace when you were a Calvinist? If not, why?
@@TheJpgr1958I see their comment really hit you hard.😅😅😅
@@Neville.Ndero8
"I see their comment really hit you hard."
Well, from reading your comment, I just have a couple of points:
1) Since your response truly has nothing to do with what I asked, it appears that your comment derives from emotional vomit.
2) If your comment is the best you have to offer, then sadly, your IQ is lower than those of The 3 Stooges.
I think He predetermined for you to be able to have such peace and assurance of His Affection.
; )
@@johnknight3529
"I think He predetermined for you to be able to have such peace and assurance of His Affection."
As with the last fellow who commented, I don't see how your comment answers the question I asked.
My main takeaway from this interview was literally one of her first statements. She was trusting in ELECTION instead of the Person of Jesus and what He has done for humanity. Wow! That never occurred to me, but it makes sense. I was never a Calvinist but I’m going thru a similar experience of coming out of some other false doctrines. It’s a hard journey but it’s also very rewarding. Great interview! Thank you both. 🙌🏼
Calvinists do not trust in election. Calvinists merely acknowledge the significant fact that God is sovereign, and the fact that we are saved by grace, through faith, and even that faith is a gift of God.
Ephesians 2:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
It frankly sounds like gibberish to say "I had hope in election instead of Jesus." Election did not die on a cross and rise again to give us eternal life. Election is how God got us to Christ to have hope in Him and His atonement and resurrection.
Sheesh.
@@jamesedwards.1069 right. I’m familiar with how you guys word things. However, I feel like she has a point. Because the sacrifice of Christ and his grace only apply to you if you are elect, right? So can you really say that you were trusting, wholly in the merits of Christ without first being elect? It seems logical to me.
@@blueticks8423 Maybe I wasn't elected and predestinated until I asked God to predestinate me for election?
See, the problem with Arminians is you try to cram God's truth in to the various round and square and triangular holes of human logic. Sometimes you just have to accept what God has said at face value. And if you take it at face value, it's profoundly paradoxical. It's dealing in multiple dimensions of reality beyond the four (4) that we are used to working with.
God says he foreknew and predestined. God also says, "choose you this day whom you will serve."
God says He gave His sheep the gift of faith by grace, and not of works. God also tells us we show our faith by our works.
I certainly don't have the human English verbiage to satisfy all your curiosity, but, I am comfortable telling you this: God has taken the initiative by creating you and saving you and if you concur with God's will then exercise your will to conform it to His will and put one spiritual foot in front of your other spiritual foot and follow Him, in faith, trusting and believing.
If you think otherwise, then, what do you care whether God predestined you for hell or not? I'm convinced nobody can say that God predestined them for hell, because anyone can open the friggin' door when they hear Him knocking. Anyone can invite Him int. Anyone can come to the fountain of the water of life and drink freely, without money and without price.
You can't blame God for giving you what you want. If you don't want God around, then, God made a safe space for you to enjoy His absence.
Revelation 22:
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
@@jamesedwards.1069 I can’t say that I disagree with anything that you said. But as far as I can tell, you just explained Arminianism to me and not Calvinism ; at least as I understand systems. For instance, can a non elect person actually conjure up the will to ask God to elect them on the Calvinistic system? He is Totally depraved, beyond reach whiteout the election of God and His irresistible grace coming upon him. The same goes for opening the door when Jesus is knocking. It seems to me that the fundamental difference is that with Arminianism, God predestines those who believe, with Calvinism, God predestines those who WILL believe. With Arminianism there is no paradox between God’s election of those who choose to believe and “choose this day whom you will serve”. The seeming paradox only comes when the Calvinistic system is forced upon the text. That’s my view anyway. I’m always open to correction. So far I haven’t found a way to make Calvinism fit logically or biblically. The very problem with Calvinism is that it creates too much cognitive dissonance for me. You seem to pointed this out yourself when you pointed out how paradoxical it is. If you just look at it through the Arminian system, or better yet, the provisionist system, these seeming paradoxes go away and the word of God becomes cohesive and works together. You no longer have these various ideas that seem antithetical to each other.
@@blueticks8423 For me the apparent paradox is unavoidable. Because we humans can't deal with more than the 4 dimensions we're used to. We just plain can't comprehend the divine milieu. God sees the end from the beginning. Nothing happens without Him doing it. So, in that sense, those who say Calvinists are talking nonsense are correct, sort of. As a Calvinist I'm arrogantly trying to describe something that is beyond both my own understanding and the possibility of anyone else to understand.
So, what I think I'm saying is, Arminians claim they understand, whilst Calvinists vehemently deny understanding anything.
Romans 11:
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
Even Peter had a hard time wrapping his head around what he was seeing with his own eyes.
II Peter 3:
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
I received a Bible at 12 years old and read it often (refusing to attend my mother's church). Never, in a million years, would I have gotten from Scripture, Calvinism's God that doesn't love, and didn't die, for everyone.
Thank you for referring to calvinism as having a different god
If a person read only the Bible, and had never heard/ read any commentary, sermons, books ect, he would NEVER come up up with Calvinism!
I was predestined to be a non Calvinist Christian
Good job not being biblical. Congratulations 🎊
@@Thinking-Biblically I don’t seek the congratulations of trolls.
@@CCiPencil that's my name is there an issue?
@@Thinking-Biblically This encounter was predestined to occur; no issues with your name.
@@CCiPencil God definitely could have prevented it. If it was his will
One should never be discouraged by the fact that it takes considerable time to come out of a particular belief system. You didn't fall in to it overnight, and you won't come out of it immediately. It's a journey, yes,but it doesn't go on forever, you will reach the end.
Wow do I really feel and am experiencing the story of Alana right now in my life. I hope I find the same relief and new place as Alana found.
She seems appy and humble, full of the joy of the Lord - then comes JM seeming very annoyed and puffed up insulting her for having found freedom.
It’s amazing to me that I was also dealing with Calvinism at the same time. I never was a calvinist but when it was introduced to me, it made me reevaluate everything I believed. It forced me to search the scriptures for myself and stop depending on what other people were saying.
It’s also amazing that before I listened to you or Leighton Flowers God answered my questions while I was praying and asking him to show me. He brought Roman’s 1:20 to my mind right in that moment and that verse along with the entire chapter proved to me that it’s because of what we choose AND we have NO excuse!
How amazing that God uses Roman’s 1 to open so many peoples eyes to the truth of his word. I was completely blown away from that I knew that there is no question that tulip is completely false.
That's awesome! Thanks for sharing.
Hearing JM say this about someone who seriously wrestled with what she was hearing and reading for understanding on her own makes me angry. It really is a gaslight. Thank you for your story.
Yes, it is the definition of gaslighting. Terrible behavior from JM.
@@GreatLightStudioswhat Alana says at 59min is correct.. in any area, not just this.. if we believe the bible to be tge word of God that is.. otherwise,we are exhaultinng our selves over him.. and that's not a good place to begin .. humble ourselves.. etc
Thanks for the time you take to put all these videos together..
They're helpful 👌
@@djs9315 John MacArthur should not say that anyone should keep their thoughts and concerns to themselves, he's definitely wrong about that.
But, what Alana is saying is mostly gibberish and nonsense. If we're saved by grace, through faith, and if that faith is itself a gift of God, then, Arminianism has to be wrong, and so-called "Calvinism" is much closer to God's truth.
@@jamesedwards.1069 I don't see a great deal of difference between the 2. Why does it have to be looked at through these systems.. I'm not opposed to instances of determinism in the bible.. God obviously determined alot.. the earth.. creation etc.. but I think its a step to far when a systematic theology is so definite its right and everything else is error.. that's a man centred pattern.. us speaking so assuredly for God. To think like this is a classic example of throwing the baby out with the bath water. We can only know.. in part.. at best, in this life.. I don't align with either.. I just stick to the ink bits best I can and know that 10yr from now my views will no doubt change in ways as I grow in understanding..
There isn't a man alive who hasn't fallen into heresy at some point.. obviously 🤷♂️😂
God bless you mate
JM was clearly defending Calvinism. Not scripture.
Another great video, Alana is having a very positive effect regarding her journey out from under the unnecessary burden of Calvinist doctrine. It's another much needed testimony to encourage others emerging out of the 'fog' and into the light that God really does love all of his creation.
Jacob have I loved but Esau have I hated(Rom 9:13) and GOD hates the workers of iniquity(Psalms 5:5) proves that the GOD of the Bible does not love everyone
@@franciscusgomarus5086 Do you believe Jesus tells people to hate their parents?
@@franciscusgomarus5086
So I take it you know if God created you to
“ hate “ you or
“ love “ you ?
Which one and how do you know ?
@@markshaneh I know that GOD loves me in the Lord Jesus Christ ONLY. Your pelagian theology ultimately puts you in charge of your salvation and assurance. The Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ is the Assurance of any Bible believing Calvinist. His Blood is ALL my Righteouness, Holiness and Assurance. You pelagians can never say that without lying
God loves all those who are IN Christ.. this isn't unique to calvinism..
Why write Bible believing calvinist.. like padding it out with the bible believing bit.. thsts s bit gas lighty.. like if you believe the bible you must be a calvinist?? 🤦🏻♂️ if you believe calvinism to be the true understanding of the word of God.. why not just write calvinist.. or.. maybe you could just write christian.. but then you'd not be set apart from the rest of us who are intellectual retards & numb skull peasant I guess .. who just do t get it.. below the pay grade 🙄😤
Calvinists have a condescension about them that is just plain unpleasant.. I'm sure your a nice guy.. ahh whatever 🙂👍
You write about assurance.. what is it your so sure of that RC Sproul wasn't..
Just curious.. I'm not a calvinist hater.. I like some of what some of the reformers say..
Arminians I loved but calvinists I hated 😂😂 (tongue in cheek joke.. obviously).
But I'm always curious as to how someone who believes in this understanding of the faith.. knows they're one of the elect.. like really.. actually has confirmation.. because it looks like a lottery to me.. by definition of Calvin himself as GOD determining who and who not.. can any of us ever truly know under this teaching
Very insightful. Many of things you guys talked about are things we've concluded, as well. Sadly, pride will always direct us away from the truth.
Also, the point early on regarding putting election ahead of the Gospel is completely correct.
Love your attitude and patience in wanting to share Scripture with others. Keep speaking the truth in love!
~Flynn @ Once Lost Ministries
Hey Flynn, It's Race.
Yes, when someone puts their theology above the person of Jesus Christ and who he is, as well as the true gospel of grace alone through faith alone in the blood atonement alone for salvation.
Then error and deception creeps in to the person who holds their theology above Jesus Christ and his gospel.
@@The-GreenHornet Amen!
So looking forward to this one!!
Thanks for your continuous encouragement:)
Alana is great... her testimony has encouraged me to keep on talking to my calvinist friends to leave the horrible nightmare of calvinism... Praise the Lord for the lives of brothers and sisters in Christ who have left clavinism and share their testimonies.
I am one of them and it was a nightmare. Jesus is Lord.
It's good to leave Calvinism but you also have to leave Lutheranism/Protestantism and return to traditional Christianity.
If I may ask you this....what is the "horrible nightmare of calvinism?"
@@TheJpgr1958 What Calvinists Get WRONG About Atonement - ruclips.net/video/8HgG3JdzlqU/видео.html
Great interview! I love hearing more about Alana's story in all her videos. We have very different stories but we both came out of Calvinism and are so thankful.
Glad to see you here!
Alana has helped soooooo many people to search the scriptures for themselves and escape this evil ideology.
I know herrrrr she's my bestie
Enjoyed the video! Thanks Jordan and Alana! 😃
You are very welcome!
I was a Calvinist for 32 years. I went to Refomed Seminary, grew up in a Refomed Church and 3 yrs ago began to question things.
Since, 2 months ago I officially left Calvinism. I got rid of ally Refomed books (aboutn$2K worth of books). So, as I am beginning to rebuild my library. I will say how freeing it was/is. It is like I'm falling in love with Jesus all over again.
That is awesome! I bet you have an interesting story to tell.
@GreatLightStudios
It is interesting. And I went to and graduated from a Refomed Seminary with a Master in Theology.
When Calvinists say that former Calvinists "Were never really Calvinist" or nonCalvinists who reject Calvinism "Just don't understand Calvinism", what they are implying is that if that only knew enough Calvinist reinterepretation of Scripture, redefinitions of words, ignoring of logical contradictions, etc... Then they would be able to keep Cognitive Dissonance up and running constantly so that they can accept Calvinism as true.
Agreed 100%!
Did that feel good? Because what you said is just meaningless rhetoric.
@@davevandervelde4799 It did actually lol. It wasn't meant to be an argument from Scripture, logic or history.
@@davevandervelde4799 nup, Dave is on the money.
Don't non Calvinists do the exact same things such as "redefinitions of words, ignoring of logical contradictions" as what they accuse Calvinists of doing? If you were to be consistent, the answer would have to be yes. So you really don't prove anything.
I would wonder after leaving Calvinism would she say the scriptures have come alive to her? I didn't even know what Calvinism us but I had a Calvinistic way of understanding scripture and when that left all the puzzle pieces of Christianity seem to just fall in place and everything made sense. I wonder if she had a similar experience.
Yes!!!!
How did the pieces fall in place? What did you do differently?
@@Lerian_V honestly? I read in context.
@@AlanaL3 Just that? Are you implying that Calvinists and other traditions who disagree with you don't read in context?
@@Lerian_V When we refuse to believe the false teachings about Him, we trust Him more. That makes a difference!
I love Alana's story. Listened to her story out of Calvinism a while back.
Thank you for sharing this!
Thanks for watching!
This is a great discussion and interview. Thank you.
Great discussion, thank you both!
Thanks for watching. More interviews like this to come!
What a beautiful conversation 🙏💜
Thanks for watching!
Glad to see Alana has almost completed her “Why I left Calvinism” tour. Need millions more like her to reject the toxic TULIP and get on the Jesus train.
🚂 ☦️🙏🏼
God changes the world by letting us know the gospel that everyone can be saved by christs blood grace through faith.
Not saved by election or damed by being passed over before creation.
We all have that blessed hope when we believe and become elect.and become predestined for santification and glorification.
lol if we are saves by Grace it cannot be by our choice Men choice are by the flesh God choice is by God will for is elects.
@@michelhaineault6654 lol that's exactly wrong.
God saves us by his grace.
He gets all the glory.
He has decided to save all of those who believe by faith.
He did does not have to but was and is gracious.
Our faith does not save us.
Our fath does not save us.
It faith is a ability and gift God gave us all it is not a salvation meriting work.
Nothing we do can save us.
We are all doomed to hell.
Fortunately the blood of Christ covers our sins but only when we use our faith ability God gave us and believe.
Using that gift is a responsibility God gave us to use in order to receive his salvation.
The faith itself does not save
God saves those who have faith in him.
If I give you an ability and gift to fly to the stars.
And you choose not to use it but walk instead that's on you not me.
With out my gift you can not fly to the stars
I still get all the credit and glory for the gift I gave you whether you decide to use it or not.
Your teachers teach you and give you knowledge
its your responsibility to apply it and use it or not
they the teachers still gets the credit for teaching you the knowledge regardless as you did not teach yourself.
It is mankind's responsibility to reject or accept jesus not God responsibility to do that for them.
Your mom cooks you dinner she gets credit for its the dinner.
You dont get credit for the dinner whether you eat it or not both of which you have the innate ability to do.
It is not her duty to eat its the dinner for you.
Or even to make it available for you to eat but by her love and grace she lovingkyboreoared it for you.
Now its on your to use that free will choice reasoning him get survival and others influences to make your choice in the matter.
To eat or not to eat that is the question.
Your mom did not decide before you were born for you to eat dinner tonight only that one day she would name dinner available to you.
Yet she still gets credit all of it whether you eat or not which your have the ability to do through free will reasoning intellect etc the humans possess being the image of God in this earth.
@@Tigerex966 Tell that to the American Indians who didn't hear the gospel until about 200 years ago give or take.
If the bible says you must know Jesus and have faith in Him, and it says how will they hear without a preacher, then its clear, many, many, many, did not hear the gospel.
I believe both God's election and man's responsibility, I don't have to reconcile them, it seems scripture teaches both. God-bless
How does grace knock out choice? It is God's grace that He even offered salvation at all. If you are offered something you have a choice to either accept that or say "no". God offers us salvation by His grace, and we can either choose to accept it by faith, or choose not to accept it in our unbelief.
Exactly. THAT is the Gospel message. ALL have fallen short of the glory of God and God loves the world so much that He gave His only begotten Son so that anyone who believes can be saved!
Calvinists reject the Gospel.
I appreciate this interview. I just wanted to add I had a similar experience of believing God isn’t done with Israel- and that fact shapes our understanding of so many scriptures. And though I dabbled in Calvinism, because of my marriage/in-laws family… I could never quite fully cross over because I was taught a more straightforward way of interpreting Scripture from a young age. (Praise God!) Replacement theology is a very damaging teaching that hides the big picture of what God is doing with Israel simultaneously with what He is doing with believers of Jesus. Bottom line- He keeps His promises. And He has opened up the way for any to accept and believe and flee their sinful consequences through Jesus Christ. No elitist in/out clubs needed. 🙌🏻
As I read through the Bible I see versus like: Galatians 1:15
But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace, (ESV)
How does this fit into your interpretation of Calvinism ?
Powerful interview! Great video!
I am going through something similar in the Church I attend (which is Calvinist). The people are just fine, but talking about the shortcomings of Calvinism meets blank stares, reference to Arminiasm, or gaslighting (from the Elders no less).
Great impactful interview!!!
Thank you very much for watching. More interviews like this to come!
Just one question. Why Paul?
What you said about sneakily reforming people, reminds me of the verse that says the shepherd comes in through the front gate but the thief comes in through the back
I do not see any contradiction between God's sovereign choice, which is crystal-clear in Scripture, and our responsibility to choose, which is also emphasised in the same Scripture. The first contains the second. Why can't we passionately and lovingly appeal to all men to be reconciled to God in Christ, and at the same time accept that God will have mercy on whom He will have mercy?
WE do not know who the elect are - GOD does. It is not our job to tell the Most High how to conduct His business. I think we are all too prone to this.
Love to you all in Jesus.
Quite often non saved people are elect. God bless!! 🙂
@@marcc325 to be elect is to be saved!
How can non saved people be elect?????
Alana is very lovely, sincere n Christ loving👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏But I hope that she keeps on digging. I believe she will arrive to what she ought to conclude at the end! May God bless you both🙏🙏🙏
"God knows all things because he determined all things" Share Jeremiah 19:5 with your friend.
John MacArthur's arrogance in both his words and tone was most distasteful! It was both condescending and degrading. He was actually pontificating as if he were the final authority on this subject!
Yeah that was definitely his true colors! 😮😮 What a sign that the devil is coming against Alana since she's influencing so many to truth and life!!!
Why would God even give us the command to multiply if half or more of our children would be non elect it does not make any rational biblical sense Why does scripture say train up a child in the way he should go and he will not depart from it what there's no point in Calvinism. Appreciate your both and all the work you're doing.
Yea if you read 2 timothy 2:20 paul also talk about some being made for common purpose and some or noble use.
Modern Calvinism is more interested in turning Christians to Calvin than the lost to Christ.
Dear Calvinist
You have been fed with a whole heap of presuppositions about passages in the Bible.
I pray that God takes the scales off your eyes and that you may see those scriptures in context minus the presuppositions.
From a former Calvinist
This Q&A is taken from a debate (still on RUclips) between Dr. Flowers (Provisionist) and Joel Webbon (Calvinist).
My jaw dropped when Webbon replied to one of Flowers questions.
Q: Why did Jesus marvel at peoples unbelief if he made them that way? It's like marveling that people can't breathe underwater.
A (Webbon): I don't like to say this, but Jesus was not particularly helpful (to Cultvinists) here. 😯
I look forward to your “Leaving Arminianism after 19 Years” video… after all, if this is meant to be a substantive argument, what about the folks who left Arminianism and became Calvinists? Wouldn’t that be equally substantive?
Who said that this video is meant to be a "substantive argument"? Alana's leaving Calvinism is not being presented here as evidence or proof against Calvinism.
@@GreatLightStudios Then, what was the intention behind it?
@@kylefloyd5177 To talk with a 19-year former Calvinist about her reasoning for leaving Calvinism 😀
@@GreatLightStudios ok, so are you going to interview someone who made a change in the opposite direction? There is no shortage of those folks, and it would be interesting to hear why two different people came to very different conclusions when faced with the same evidence in the same sort of dilemma.
@@kylefloyd5177 I sure wouldn't be opposed to doing something like that eventually. I just had a recorded conversation with a Calvinist that I'll be sharing soon where he explained why he believed what he believed.
It is no novelty, then, that I am preaching; no new doctrine. I love to proclaim these strong old doctrines, that are called by nickname Calvinism, but which are surely and verily the revealed truth of God as it is in Christ Jesus. -Charles Spurgeon
Here is another verse someone in the Fb arminianism vs calvinism group pointed out
It is a distinction between those predestined to believe in jesus in first century AD palestine, and everyone after them. john 17 is jesus praying to god to protect those elect.
john 17 20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you
jesus was saying that before he had been killed. the NT had not been written yet nor the apostles travelled around preaching the gospel. " I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message" that is everyone that had never met him at the time and in the future from the first century ad but heard in person from the apostles in the first century ad or heard from the bible after it had been written 40-66 AD. So no one over the past 1900 years or so is elect or predestined despite how big the calvinists ego might be.
I know Alana probably won't see this comment, but maybe someone else who reads it may benefit. This came to my mind when she was talking about her friend who wasn't receptive to the Scriptures she shared with her. Joshua 24:15 is the famous passage where Joshua tells the Israelites to CHOOSE who they will serve. Maybe she shared this verse and it didn't connect. Or it could be that she is being affected and just isn't saying it like her other friend she mentioned.
We don’t need teachers as the Holy Spirit teaches us , 1 john 2, that’s not to say we should be unteachable, we just need to check what anyone says by the scriptures
How is God still sovereign if He's not sovereign in Salvation? He has to be Sovereign or He's up there just reacting to whatever we do. Do you dismiss these verses in Romans, Rom. 9:11-23 We have to humble ourself and realize we most likely are not able to completely understand this particular doctrine with our finite minds. I think it boils down to people don't think it's fair of God to save whoever He chooses and condemns others. We all should be in that second group, but God in His great mercy has called and saved those whom He chooses. I. was a christian for 20 years before I heard the doctrine of election. It was very humbling to me, overwhelming to think He chose me. He turned my heart of stone to a heart of flesh and gave me faith to believe. Amazing.
'What shall we say then ? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! For he says to I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion ." So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. ...
Hi Christine, of course God is sovereign in salvation. No one is debating that. However, for God to be sovereign over all things does not not mean that he meticulously determines and controls all things. Nothing in the word "sovereign" implies or necessitates "meticulous determinism."
I do not dismiss Romans 9. I have multiple videos on it... here's one: ruclips.net/video/DRo1HUXkWB0/видео.html
@@GreatLightStudios Indeed, God seems to mostly allow people to do as they please, and yet His will is accomplished in spite of this. God is in front, behind, and in the midst. We should understand all we can but recognize our limitations.
There will always be mysteries in the Gospel; many true things are dualities and remain in tension. When we over-systematize theology, we are trying to flatten out the deepest things of God to the point we can put them on a spreadsheet. I think that's a grave error. It is only in the person of Jesus Christ that these tensions resolve. (Law/Grace, the usual disagreements.) Only He is the personification of all "sides" of each truth. He's the only One who contains all of it. Therefore (as always), He is the ultimate answer to those questions. We will never see it all, but we see Him.
I was very grateful for this interview. A wise and compassionate treatment of this error.
After about 10 years as a Calvinist then leaving Calvinism behind, I still often wonder if Calvinism has cult-like under pinnings, not saying Calvinism is a cult but I still wonder does it have cult-like tendacees ??
Paul would call it, "another gospel".
Of course it does. When you're not allowed to question the claims of a system, you know you're in a cult.
@@primeobjective5469 or the gospel that saved him.
He was chosen by God on the way to kill Christian’s…
@@dfischer5878 - I said, "Paul", not "Saul".
@@dfischer5878 Hope this makes sense....I think Calvinist/Augustinians/Reformed believers get the Gospel right in many ways on the front end but when it comes to the details the pulling back the curtain as it were of the Gospel of Jesus they get it VERY wrong and distort Gods very character in the process.
"Insulting your brother and sister while disproving their system"...
Are you implying that someone who believes in a false God, Jesus and Gospel are your "brothers and sisters in Christ"?
The fundamentals/distinctives of Calvinism directly contradicts God, the Gospel, Jesus and Scripture. Calvinism is not Biblical Christianity, just as Mormonism is not Biblical Christianity. We don't go around calling Mormons our brothers and sisters in Christ. Do you, by using your same standards you use for Calvinism, call Mormons your brothers and sisters as well? If not, please explain to me why.
Why do you put Calvinism in it's own special category, but are hypocritical when it comes to Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormonism and other false religions that believe in perversions of Jesus, God and the Gospel and claim 'Christianity'?
EDIT: I am genuinely curious on this issue... I see this with Leighton Flowers and others... and I find it very inconsistent and dangerous.
What I observe is Christians making hundreds of videos proving and explaining how Calvinism perverts God, Jesus and the Gospel... but then in the same sentence call all Calvinists their "brothers and sisters in Christ"...
Logic explains why that is inconsistent and contradictory.
I find this stance dangerous because it gives false validation that Calvinism is part of Biblical Christianity. It may give false validation to an unsaved person that they are saved even though they reject the actual Gospel as revealed by Scripture.
I feel, those ignorantly pushing this agenda to call all members of a false religion (Calvinism) "brothers and sisters in Christ", are actually doing more harm than good for the sake of "being nice". It is part of the problem and it enables Calvinism to thrive within our communities... further enabling more victims to be potentially confused and get beguiled by false preachers into Calvinism and away from Christ.
Respectfully, the Bible says that God is sovereign and yet we also have free choice. Both are true. Comparing Arminians or Calvinist’s to Mormons is not a fair comparison.
Both Arminians and Calvinists have the fundamentals of the gospels correct.
I got saved in a word of faith church without realizing that’s what it was. WOF is a different gospel and very self centered, and it only took me 3months to notice something wrong.
I’ve been leaning now towards the Calvary church which seems to take the middle road.
Blessings
I have wrestled with everything you have said in this comment. The reason I still call Calvinists “brothers and sisters” is because many who call themselves such are not _staunch_ Calvinists.
I’m thinking of people like the band “Shane and Shane” I believe they are Calvinists but I would bet they are very inconsistent and have just been taught calvinistic interpretations and do not know any other way to see it. But it is clear by the fruit of their lives that they love Jesus and are following Him.
I also know many people with calvinistic leanings or when pressed will say they consider themselves a “Calvinist”. But I know they love Jesus, they love people, and they are trusting in Christ alone and not their works to be right with God. I cannot in good faith declare them “false believers”.
The other groups you mentioned teach a works based “gospel”. They literally do and preach works to earn salvation.
However, hyper Calvinists are way over the top and unreasonable. I do have a hard time considering hyper Calvinists brothers and sisters because I do not see the fruit of the spirit in their lives and they are dogmatic about doctrines that are way over the top and extreme.
@@followerofjesus931Arminianism vs Calvinism is a false dichotomy... Green Light Studios, including myself are not Arminian.
Arminianism is Calvinism light. BOTH start with unbiblical presuppositions (election = God choosing individuals to Salvation before eternity past based on foreknowledge (Arminianism) or unconditionally (Calvinism). When BOTH are unbiblical and false. Scripture says that election is to servitude and future blessings, not Salvation.
Hopefully you can stop thinking of false dichotomies and actually think about the other options, like believing only what Scripture says and not some theological systematic.
@@Loves2HugItOut hear ya, BUT your reasoning seems very flawed to me. We don't call ALL members of a particular false religion our "brothers and sisters" just because some of them might not fully believe in that false religion. I could use that standard to call Muslims my brothers, Mormons my brothers, etc.
Now, I'm not advocating to go up to every single Calvinist and say "you are not saved"... I'm merely saying that we should take a hard stance on Calvinism for what it is, and what it is not. I say, "IF you have only ever believed in Calvinism, you are probably not saved... Calvinism isn't Biblical Christianity "
Paul didn't go up to the Judaizers and call all of them "brothers and sisters in Christ", because some of them could be confused.
In other words, we should still be respectful and longsuffering with all Calvinists and try to preach them the Gospel like we would with a Mormon.
As long as we seperate Calvinism from Christiandom, like we do with other false religions that claim "Christianity"... I believe that would be a good start and hinder false Calvinist preachers from beguiling as many people.
We should just teach the truth and defend the faith. Simply:
1.) Calvinism is not Biblical Christianity and perverts God, Jesus and the Gospel. Can not save anyone.
2.) Preach the Gospel to members of Calvinism, and explain to them why Calvinism is not part of Biblical Christianity.
EDIT: We should not give false validation to individuals who might not be saved because they actually don't know nor believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
As a born again Christian, I just can not fathom someone who knows Christ ever believing Calvinism. I can guarantee, that once someone knows Christ and believes, they would leave Calvinism.
I have been studying Calvinism for years and have had hundreds of discussions with them... 99% of the time I am finding myself in every situation defending what Scripture says and defending the Gospel against someone who rejects it, mocks it, and perverts it.
I believe Calvinism are the ones gaslighting actual Christians to call them "brothers and sisters in Christ", because it gives them an advantage.
I truly believe that Calvinism is a parasitic gnostic religion that masquerades as "Christianity", that infiltrated Christiandom through Augustine/Manichaean Gnosticism. Today, Calvinism is just an evolved modern version. Calvinism is a cancer to Christianity, and it is attempt to take over/destroy Christianity from within.
Question: Would you let a Calvinist you call "brothers and sisters in Christ" be a youth Pastor at your church? Potentially beguiling the children into Calvinism?
@@eiontactics9056 I’m just saying that I think it is impossible for a Mormon or JW to be saved because they believe they must do works to be saved. They literally believe, teach, and flaunt that works are needed for salvation.
We cannot clump Calvinists with them. As much as I despise calvinism, the truth is there are many people who say they are Calvinist and love Jesus, love people, and trust in Christ alone for their salvation. We can’t get around that. So the reality is, it cannot be black and white. I agree, calvinism in its purest form is a false gospel, but the reality is many Calvinists are inconsistent(luckily) and are saved ( they love Jesus, love people, and are trusting in Christ alone for salvation) and so I call them my “brothers and sisters”
Wow, totally shocked. "She should keep her comments to herself" - MacArthur. As if no one else ever with a master's degree came to a conclusion other than his own. He is truly pontificating these days.
Revelation 22:17 says, “Whosoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.” Calvinism, however, says it actually means: The ones I (God) chose, will take of the water of life. John 3:16 says, “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” Calvinism, however, says this verse actually means: For God so loved the ones He chose, that He gave His only begotten Son, that those He chose WILL have everlasting life. Joshua 24:15 says, “…choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve…But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.” Calvinism, however, says this verse actually means: There is no choice, rather, God will decide whether or not one will serve the Lord. 2nd Peter 3:9 says, “The Lord is…not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.” Calvinism, however, says this verse actually means: The Lord is not willing that any of the ones He has chosen should perish, but that all of the ones He has chosen should come to repentance. Matthew6:8-10 says, “…therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done.” This is a prayer. If God’s will was already being done as per Calvinism, then why do we need to pray that it will happen? Hebrews 3:12-14 says, “Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end…” This is a call to not harden our hearts and depart from the living God, and to hold our confidence in Christ steadfast until the end. According to Calvinism, we can’t make that decision; God has already decided. John 1:29 says, “The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!” Calvinism, however, says this verse actually means: The Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the few that God has chosen. 1st Timothy 1:15 says, “This is a faithful saying …that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners…” Calvinism, however, says this verse actually means: Jesus came into the world to save (ONLY) the sinners God has already chosen. 1ST John 19 says, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” Calvinism says, this verse really means, the ones He has chosen WILL confess their sins, and He is faithful and just to forgive them their sins and to cleanse them from all unrighteousness. Calvinism calls confession a synergistic work; meaning a work of faith added to what God has already done. Also, there is no IF in Calvinism. Revelation 3:20 says, “Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.” Calvinism says, this verse really means, “…when the one I have chosen hears my voice, he will open the door…” Luke 13:3 says, “…unless you repent, you too will all perish.” It doesn’t say, “it doesn’t matter if you repent UNLESS I have already chosen you.”
Alana for your friend: In Jeremiah 19:5, God explicitly says God did NOT decree their child sacrifice, NOR DID IT EVEN ENTER GOD’S MIND. God Himself explicitly rejects determinism in this verse.
Calvinism never made any sense to me. And I am often amazed when Calvinists get upset about me being and Open Theist! Isn't it all God's fault??
1co 1:25 Because the FOOLISHNESS of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
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Mr 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, FOOLISHNESS:
1co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish FOOLISHNESS; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the FOOLISHNESS of preaching to save them that believe.
1co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks FOOLISHNESS;
1co 1:25 Because the FOOLISHNESS of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are FOOLISHNESS unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is FOOLISHNESS with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
Look at Jeremiah 18 (potter and the clay). God clearly states to Jeremiah the prophet that we have a choice. Paul is simply paraphrasing that scripture when he quotes it because the Jews that he is talking to already know that scripture. Roman’s 9 is just Paul saying that god has a sovereign right to save “by grace through faith” rather than by bloodline.
What is wrong with just reading the Bible plainly and not worry about refuting/reconciling Calvinism vs Arminianism. There’s a lot of distractions here and this person just like me wants to perfectly account for all logic in the Bible.
I’ve deliberated and drilled down on this for years and settled the fact that it’s ole to not fully reconcile “repent ye and believe the Gospel” and “those he predestined, he called, those he called, he justified…”. The only verse you could do anything about is the first one.
Is it true that “whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish” and “if anyone comes to me, I will in no wise cast out”? Does it also say in the Old Testament that God “hardened Pharoahs heart” and many others showing God’s sovereignty?
Concluding everything about Calvinism is perfectly true without full due diligence is just as bad as concluding it’s all wrong without due diligence. The focus on Christ as your highest love is the most critical - this actually stuff MacArthur and Piper and Washer preach all the time. They also are just men and make mistakes all the time
I don't find Arminianism or Calvinism in the scripture. I find a huge God willing to forgive.
John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
So many straw man arguments here…
1.she says Calvinism makes one focus on election and not the work of Christ..if someone has bad theology that is on that person.. the teachings of Calvin definitely don’t undermine the Cross that is always the focus Jesus’s work on the cross is the only reason one can be elected it’s a two sided Coin if the Father doesn’t draw you you can’t come and if you deny the Son you remain in your sins..that’s what the Bible teaches
2.to say Calvinism is prideful is another of the same kind of argument if you have a poor theology you will be prideful..Calvinism teaches us that we are sinners that were incapable of choosing God we have absolutely nothing to boast in…can’t say that if you deny depravity..denying depravity gives you something to boast about and a pride in your personal wisdom and soft heart since you chose God and others didn’t..there is nothing hard and tough about completely submitting to Gods will and feeling safe that He is in control of EVERYTHING..I see pride in people that trust their own “freewill and choice “ over Gods
3. To say “when do I tell my kid that only the elect go to heaven “ that just shows she only understood a hyper Calvinist theology..we don’t tell anyone that only the elect go to heaven we simply treat everyone as if they are elect and preach the gospel we don’t know who the elect are or who will come later just preach the gospel and if your kids believe show them that they can be sure of their salvation because God chose them and it’s His work that will keep them and it’s His Work that gave them faith..this will make the completely humble and reliant on God and not their own conjured up faith from themselves “EVERY👈 good thing is from God”
And on the contrary while a Calvinist that has terrible theology may focus on election instead of Jesus the one who Denys these humbling Bible truths will never truly trust in the work of Christ because they are also having to trust that their own faith (from themselves) is genuine thus have to trust in themselves also
Hello C-qpo!
1. It´s not a straw man, it´s an observation. That´s her experience as a former calvinist, and I have followed many calvinist teachers over the years and my impression is also that they focus a lot more on election and predestination than on the cross of Christ. It may not be your experience, but it´s the experience we have of it.
2. I also agree calvinism tends to appeal to pride. For a number of reasons:
- If you listen to many arguments from calvinists they are based on the idea that calvinism is holier than other theologies, it gives more glory to God, it magnifies His sovereignty, it says salvation is all of God while accusing others of adding works to the Gospel. So calvinists tend to be very prideful about their theology, they don´t just think they are correct, they think their beliefs are morally and piously superior.
- It also promotes pride since calvinists believe the reason they believe is a fundamental change of their nature so that they can believe. So they can do this good thing, believing, while an unbeliever hates God and is by nature a worse human being than you are.
- It also promotes pride by claiming you as elect are loved by God in a unique way that He does not love the nonelect. A noncalvinist don´t have this problem.
3. Don´t you believe that only the elect will be saved? If you believe that and don´t tell your kids you are just being deceptive. And Alana´s main point about the question is that she found no passages while reading through the Bible that actually seemed to teach calvinism. You may not agree, but it´s not a strawman to share your experience.
"the one who Denys these humbling Bible truths will never truly trust in the work of Christ because they are also having to trust that their own faith (from themselves) is genuine thus have to trust in themselves also"
So calvinists, being very humble, are the only ones that can truly trust in the work of Christ? You certainly have a very high view of yourself :)
@@thomasfryxelius5526 Once again the doctrine itself is what should be judged not the people ,that by the way you are looking down on saying they are prideful all the while setting yourself on a pedestal as if you’re better..it’s like you don’t even see it ..this is what happens when you deny depravity you begin thinking you have some inner goodness other people don’t have…as I stated Calvinism teaches that we are completely deprived..that is not being humble that’s just straight up saying we are wicked and only God can do good works through us..don’t add to it I’m not saying I’m more humble in fact that is your argument that we are prideful so that must mean you aren’t correct??you dig your own grave boasting in your “humility”..
Genesis 8:21
The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though 👉every inclination 👈of the human heart is 👉evil from childhood👈. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.
I accept the Word of God ONLY because He has opened my Eyes ,removed my heart of stone and filled me with His Spirit..I’m absolutely nothing but a wicked sinner.. that is not humility it’s just Gods truth ..something about the liberalist theology makes people think there is something wrong for having zeal for the truth and fighting for Gods sovereignty.. you act like these things are bad… I boast in my weakness and in the Lord instead of MY freewill and own choices
And you didn’t seem to understand my point about telling your kids only the elect go heaven..we don’t know who the elect are period..we we tell our kids that election is Gods work we just treat EVERYONE as if they are elect it’s that simple I have no problem at all telling my daughter that…but there’s nothing deceptive about not going into deep theology with children Salvation is Gods work so her understanding election has no bearing on their eternity ..hope this is received with love…blessings on you 🙏
@@c-qpo Thank you for that reply!
It´s a bit strange to argue humility, isn´t it?
Let´s just say that I have heard many calvinists talk about how humbling calvinism is, but I have never heard a noncalvinist be impressed with how humble calvinists are. Most ex-calvinists I have listened to had a similar experience; that part of letting go of calvinism was repenting of the pride they found in themselves as calvinists. Do with that what you like.
"people think there is something wrong for having zeal for the truth and fighting for Gods sovereignty.. you act like these things are bad"
I never said it was bad to fight for truth, but since I believe you are not fighting for truth, I don´t think that´s what you are doing. I don´t think it´s bad to defend God´s sovereignty either, but you redefine Sovereignty to mean that He actively controls everything, including evil. That is not exhalting God, that is presenting Him as much less Loving and Holy than He is, a source of sin and evil.
I agree you should treat all as elect since you don´t know...
But look at it this way; doesn´t your system teach that before some people are even born God decided to hate them? Isn´t that how you interpret "Jacob I loved, Esau I have hated", as speaking of indiviuals? Correct me if this is not what you believe, but I have heard many calvinists that do. It´s not a misrepresentation. So even if you were to treat everyone as elect, with love and compassion, God still would not love them if they are unelect, He hates them right? And He will not help them, He will pass them over and not make them believe even though He could do so. So when you treat them as elect, some of them might not be truly elect, in which case you care more about them than God ever did, is that not so?
It´s hard for me to even express these ideas, they are so horrible to me. The Bible says God is love, and that He wants everyone to come to faith and be saved.
Blessings to you too! I am not against you or calvinists, I am against calvinism because I think it is not true and an affront to God. I want you to be free of it.
@@thomasfryxelius5526 tried to reply twice and my comments got erased pretty frustrating..I pray that we both come to true understanding of Gods revelation without trying to twist things to our liking
Remember Gods thoughts and ways are higher then our and there’s much we can’t understand and we have no place trying to be the moral judge of God
@@c-qpo I´m sorry to hear about the comments, I can see how that would be frustrating.
Amen to that prayer. You said that "we have no place trying to be the moral judge of God".
I hope you don´t think I or other noncalvinists are doing that. When we disagree with calvinism it is because we do not believe it represents God accurately at all. I have no objection to anything the Bible says, but I do object to things you claim.
"Remember Gods thoughts and ways are higher then our"
I agree with this, that God is more just, holy and loving than we can fathom. That is one of the reasons calvinism does not seem right to me. The description of God in calvinism does not seem "high" to me. It seems much less just, loving and holy than the Bible presents Him.
Thank God you came out of thr Darkness, that is Calvinism!
Predestination/election also has a hard historical context that only applied to first century AD. Each chapter where the word predestination appears (which is only 3-4 times) it says first fruits, or first fruits of the holy spirit (day of Pentecost 2000 years ago), or we who were the first to put our faith in Christ..... First fruit can just mean the best of the offering / crop / livestock but in the contexts of predestination it means first in chronological order. Calvinists pride will not allow them to accept this though. So no one ever since those first Christians in the first century AD are predestined or elect.
2:45 gosh what an awful statement from John MacArthur.
Keep it up bro!
Will do!
If someone has been a committed 5 point Calvinist, are they saved, because it seems the scriptures they ignore or change meaning of words are the very scriptures that teach them salvation is by grace through faith in Christ alone, it seems they don’t believe this clear teaching,and if their saved so to must many others Christian groups we call cults.
Any constructive thoughts would be appreciated . ✌️
Misrepresentation of the Divine character of God, is taking his name in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name [character] in vain.
We are to believe in the Death, burial and resurrection of Jesus and trust in Him all the days of our lives, to be born again for eternal life. That’s the Gospel 1 Corinthians 15.
Soteriology101 RUclips Channel Leighton Flowers addresses the issue of those that hold to Calvinism are saved question, and was a Noncalvinist then a Calvinist, now he is no longer a Calvinist, and says yes, if you truly believe in Jesus you are saved. Alana was on his show a few months ago. Even though Calvinists are saved, they do not believe God loves everyone and when Calvinists do come out they are overjoyed that from Genesis to Revelation God so loved the World that he gave His one and only Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. God did not send His Son into the World to condemn the World, but God sent His Son to be it’s Savior John 3:16,17 May God richly bless you!
@@theresaread72 it seems the 5 point Calvinist believes in a God that decrees sin and forced that decree and it’s punishment upon someone God made unable to repent.
Different God ?
@@markshaneh Very true Mark! I’m not sure if it’s a different God as many Calvinists believe in the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ and are saved as I believe Alana and her husband, Hector were saved all that time. Maybe a wrong view of God and Scripture? So blessed you are looking into Calvinism so you can refute it lovingly and truthfully! God Bless You!
No one can be saved by calvinism's false god or gospel. Calvinism seeks to convert Christians to calvinism, not the lost. If a calvinist is saved, it's because of what they believed prior to becoming a calvinist. If someone has been a calvinist their entire life and has never believed in the true God, they are not saved.
59:15 yesssssss . Only the brave do this!!!!!!
The word calvnism in it self is Idol Worship.. Why dont we have a Paulism or a Johnism or a Lukeism because of what Paul, John and Paul said... But Calvin said something and now we have Calvinism... I think its idol worship. People quote more on what Calvin said than what Christ or Luke said.... This sentence alone should make every Calvinist uncomfortable or are we fine with the fact that in a decade from now we will have mcarthurism or washerism.... Dont get me wrong Love John Mcarthur and Paul washer but the Idol worship of john calvin is S I N !!!!!
I love Alana's heart and its interesting because I have been doing something similar for the last 5 years. I have needed to understand why I believe what I believe and to be able to defend it. I have many friends who have all different backgrounds and upbringings ( very cool) I have however, slowly become more sure of what the reformed faith teaches is Biblically sound. I have to be honest, I am sorry you have come to a different conclusion ( but I still love you 🤗)
I think what most people don't realize is that not all Calvinists think alike (just like non Calvinists) I have never heard or have ever thought to ask for example, if I was elect or not. That is a stupid question. Also to say that Jesus is not the focus of calvinism and that election is? That is also not even a thing that makes any sense to me and I have been in it for my whole life ( 57 years- why am I so old? 🤣😐)
I have now had enough time studying this to have a opinion about what I have seen, and the negative comments are definitely from both sides of this issue. I can understand how it feels like a personal attack when your beliefs are questioned, but there are plenty of terrible comments from the non Calvinist camp. I have never believed that anyone who did not see this issue like me are not saved. I am not in a reformed church now and there is differences of opinion on this issue. As a matter fact, our former pastor layed out the different views on this in a sermon and then explained what his position was. Then stated that it is not necessary to agree with him. The question is, can you support your position Biblically.
A few years ago I heard Frank Tureks analogy about Gods love and how He does not force us to love Him. I used that for a few years and loved it. Great analogy. Just not at all Biblical.
Alana you say you had a change in your thinking when you had kids, we love them and that is what we do because we want them to love God too. Of coarse. The Biblical analogy ( and the calvinist analogy) would not be someone trying to convince someone to love them and if they dont then you force them to. It is also not God hoping you decide to do it on your own and make a good choice. It is more like your child on the freeway and you would give your own life to save them. You would not sit at the side trying to convince them to move off the freeway. The love that is shown by God to give His own son for our sake is just amazing. That is closer to the proper analogy of love God shows us. But I think what a non Calvinists would say then is...why didn't God save everyone? Does He not have the power? He cant possibly not want all to be saved? Doesn't the Bible say He wants all to be saved?
And what they do is change the nature of the saving Gospel message and therefore the nature of God himself from the Biblical God to one who desires all to be saved but somehow can not do it. ( or if you become a universalist you say He did do it)
I believe that these questions, which no doubt are very difficult, are answered in the reformed doctrines by exegeting the scriptures as best we can in our fallen state.
I could go on but I won't. I urge people to find out these answers. What system best does that?
Thank you Jordan for doing this video. Thank you Alana for your kindness and love for God and others. I would love to do another video with you Jordan and I love your gracious heart but I think you also need to seek some of these answers.
Hope to see our video soon! 🙂
I appreciate what you posted. Your journey to understand why you believe what you believe is what I am interested in. It appears you have become more convinced. But how did you become more convinced? How did you search the scriptures to prove what is true? I guess what I am asking is what scriptures convinced you? Studying the scriptures is work and can be tedious but I love it. Then there is comparing what I read with other verses. God's word does not contradict and a blessing the Lord taught me is to read slowly and look at all the words in a verse. Now in my life I am still learning, and asking for the Lord to teach me. I have learned a lot in my 40 years following Christ. Yet, still learning. You quoted Frank Tureks analogy about being forced to love God. I agree with you, it's not bible yet God does teach us how to love Him. I don't think in general believers don't think about this. We must learn the how's of how God works in our lives.
Why does Jesus draw "all men"? He knows that not all men will come to Him, but still, He was lifted up on the cross, so according to His promise, He draws them, and that has to mean, He sincerely draws them. John 12:31-33..
I Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 *Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.*
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
@@lindajohnson4204 Thank you Linda . I have close friends who said the same thing.
The reading of the text has to fit in the context of who, where, what and why.
If you start reading 1 timothy at verse 1 and follow through then, you see Paul is addressing the persecuted followers of Christ and telling them they must also pray for those in authority who are doing the persecuting.
He says " for all people, Kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life,,,,,'
Paul is telling them they must understand that God wants all kinds of men to be saved. I know I added the word "kinds' but in the original Greek the word 'all" was used by Paul in @ half a dozen different ways to fit the context if what was being said.
Every time we speak, the words we use only make sense in context. All words have what is called a " Semantic Domain" That is why it is so hard for people to learn English since we often use the same word but it does not mean the same every time.
World is another one that cause us to interpret scripture differently.
Do not love the world Jesus said but God also says He loves the world.
Context determines the meaning.
Charles Spurgeon said " Discernment is not knowing right from wrong. It is knowing right from almost right."
This is a big problem in churches and the reason we all are not agreeing on everything. Some people want to say then we should not even talk about it if we can not agree. I think "how " we talk about it is what matters.
Biblicism is when we take a verse and fit it in where it really doe not belong. It may change the meaning.
As I am studying this I now see this often and cringe because it is not what the verse was saying. The other problem is when you try to correct someone then you are " arrogant" to think you know better. Sometimes that accusation is true. Being loving to help one another is the only way.
Thanks Linda God bless
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I just want to add something. Sometimes the right question we ask ourselves, leads us to the answer we did not see.
Why would Paul tell them to pray to God for them to be saved? He is telling them to pray as " to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth."
If Calvinism was not true, then he would have told them to go talk to them and to maybe " ask Jesus into their heart"
He is teaching them that just like himself and like them, God is the one who brings people to a knowledge of the truth. Amazing . He gets all the glory and I get none as it should be.
@@truthseeker4869 I have been doing alot today and my brain is abit tired. I want to think for awhile so I do not say something wrong or stupid ( been there done that)
In a nutshell, there is a consistent and better exegesis of the texts in the reformed interpretations. I say that with no reservations that it has got everything correct. I have disagreement on a number of things with well, basically everyone. As fallen creatures with a limited ability, then we all just dont see it the same all the time. If I am wrong I want correction. I have told my pastor that since we all must be " working out our salvation with fear and trembling" If I lead someone astray them I am accountable for that. That is even more so for people called to lead Gods people.
Alysa Childers said " you can not judge motives" so true. I used to think other people were wrong and they are trying to be wrong. Always learning and I must be open to the fact I could be wrong. But at the same time I must declare truth.
The BIG stumbling block in this discussion is " the character of God"
How can He love if not everyone gets a fair chance. Well , chance has nothing to do with it.
I will tell you the most impactful thing maybe that I have learned.
The Bible is a " Historic Redemptive Narrative" It is not written to bring glory to me. The story is written by God to bring Glory to Himself.
The title Calvinism carry's baggage. I dont know why. He did not come up with this. I have never read anything he wrote. I have just seen a few quotes.
We all come to the text with presuppositions. Mine ran deep since I grew up in the reformed faith. But I never heard the things Calvinists are accused of doing. I have however talked personally to people who grew up in Hyper calvinism and WOW! You need to run from that! I would go to almost any other church than that. A friend told me they had a song they sang about how " we are blessed because we are calvinists...." I literally thought he was joking.
I can send you some links if you want. I think we have exchanged comments before online. I hope I was nice.🥴
Dave
@@davevandervelde4799 Thank-you! Yes, I would appreciate the links to study. Why is the stumbling block God's character? I don't understand what you mean. Perhaps the links will explain better. I am also looking into Universalist view points. So always searching to understand the scriptures.
I'd love to hear your thoughts about synergism and monergism. It seems there are two schools of election to me. One where the individual has no say in whether or not they receive salvation, and the other requiring an affirmative embrace of salvation. There are so many unbiblical contradictions in Calvinism.
For one thing ,the word Monergism never even existed in the English language until it was invented by Calvinists
@@Steve-og4ii Perhaps, but it still a part of their theology and is worth understanding. I have found people are more frequently using the two terms to redefine their understanding of Calvinism.
Personally, I don't think Calvinism stacks up in the Word. Too many hoops and acrobatics required to make the case for it.
Hello!
Calvinism is like a cult in some circles...
Thoughts on dispensational ...rightly dividing seems to make the idea of Calvinism and it being confused with Israel..as in Romans 9 etc or even the kingdom they were wanting the king for
She wasn't a genuine Calvinist. No Calvinists claim that election is their hope, but their security fulfilled in Jesus they trust. Btw, noone is to be rescued unless they were elected According the epistle of Eph1:3-14. They are saved because they were predestined before the foundation of the World. I hope you know we're all dead in transgression; The dead spiritually has no self will until the Spirit regenerates from the Dead.
You're view of predestination is ridiculous.
Did she say that God has emotions and changes?
John 18:37 (NIV)
37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate.
Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”
42:50 wistful. Significantly different word
How is Calvinism not a sect if they preach a different God and a different gospel?
The ironic thing about your comment on (God electing people before they've ever done anything good or bad) is exactly what Roman's 9:9-11 uses to defend Soviern Election /Sola Scriptora my friend.
There is good news available if you desire, if you don't desire how can you make yourself to desire?
Replace desire with biblical language: believe.
@@AlanaL3 How do you believe something you don't want to believe?
@@AlanaL3 This is why the prosperity gospel is so popular, people don't want to believe but they are enticed to believe by promising them wealth and health, how can you make people who love sin more than Jesus desire salvation?
@@AlanaL3 What I'm trying to say is that the desire for salvation doesn't come from man but from God, you don't desire to be saved if God doesn't put it there.
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 where do you see that in scripture?
The true gospel is this and nothing else: John3:3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.(not unless they chose me)
Everyone who chose is in fact not chosen by God and is condemned and cannot be born from heaven, choice is a work of the intellect and not God Grace .To be born again is the true Grace without this WE CANNOT ENTER INTO GOD ETERNAL KINGDOM . To believe we have to be born from heaven FIRST and this depend only on God will .
46:13 there is never ever a reason when discussing a difference in beliefs to shut someone down, belittle someone, insult some, disrespect someone. No matter what side you're on, i lose all respect for you at that point
Alana: More for your friend with the Trojan Horse question: Thought Experiment: Respectfully and repeatedly ask him: ‘Do you still beat your wife, Yes or No?’ When he tries to explain, emphasize that we can’t progress until he absinthe question: : ‘Do you still beat your wife, Yes or No?’
The point is that the ‘What caused your decision?’ question is stuffed full of false presuppositions, including & especially that humans aren’t responsible first causes for their own decisions, and human inability to ask for help.
He is asking you to swallow Calvinist Presuppositions to disprove Calvinism, which is logically impossible.
John McArthurs response is rediculous to say the least. He himself admitted he does'nt know .
1 Cor. 12:22-25
God strenght is shown in the weak.
Faith is the fruit of the Spirit and Jesus Christ is the Finisher of our faith.
Mission statements for each denomination is the most important observation. If they believe in God the Father, God the Son Jesus Christ n God the Holy Ghost; Jesus died on the cross, shedded blood 🩸 available for all men so that those who receive Him n repent shall be save🙏if any church has these mission statements, it is deemed to comply with true believers of Christ. Difference in interpretation in theology shall not place them as a ‘CULT’🙏 We need to be clear with our fundamental understanding.🙂
Everything that happens was pre- ordained by God, including anti - Calvinism, so what's your complaint, Calvinists??
Common, just trust Calvin!
Who would you rather trust Piper and McArthur or the early Christians like St Ignatius?😅
John MacArthur saying somebody doesn't know what they're talking about is rich. After years of profaning God's character by telling people he's the source of every rape, every abortion, every murder, every sin ever, he's going to have a "I never knew you moment."
Why people think that's okay is very odd. "Oh, they're still brothers in the Lord." You mean the Lord they're defaming?
59:04 yesssssss
Calvinists take the title of Romans 9 and exaggerate it and give the word sovereignty a totally different definition than what sovereignty really means lol
Calvinism makes our relationship with Christ transactional and Christ's actions a mere formalism or pantomime.
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When you want to have a role in your salvation, you will leave Calvinism. Calvinism is all about admitting that you are incapable of saving yourself. Your salvation is dependent on the Lord's grace and mercy, not on you.
Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast.
Except that’s logically incoherent. If you’re drowning in the ocean and a rescue boat comes along to save you and throws your a rescue rope, you didn’t somehow “save yourself” because you reached out to grab the rope.
Calvinists claiming non-Calvinists believe that they can earn salvation through works is just a strawman argument. No one is claiming that. Can we move forward to actually productive discussions please?
@@harrygarris6921 Where is the verse that supports your analogy?
Allow me to educate you on biblical truths so that your won't get confused by your man-made knowledge and understanding about the scriptures.
The Bible is clear, we believe that God's grace is available to all, but because of our sinful nature, we cannot choose God on our own. God, in His great love and mercy, works in our hearts to enable us to respond to His offer of salvation. He opens our eyes to see our need for Him and grants us the faith to trust in Jesus as our Savior. We are spiritually dead and before we can reach out to God, He must first regenerate our hearts, which means making us spiritually alive.
Our ability to respond to God's grace and accept His offer of salvation is entirely due to His initiating work in our hearts. We are spiritually dead in sin and unable to save ourselves or choose God without His intervention through the Holy Spirit.
God's regenerating work is an act of His amazing grace. He makes us spiritually alive, enabling us to have faith in Jesus and respond to His call. It's not about our own strength or merit; it's all about God's love, mercy, and sovereignty.
As the Bible teaches, our salvation is a gift from God:
- Ephesians 2:8-9 (ESV) says, "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
- John 6:44 (ESV) says, "No one can come to me [Jesus] unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day."
- Romans 9:16 (ESV) says, "So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy."
Our salvation is entirely God's work from start to finish, and we can't take credit for it. God, in His infinite love and wisdom, chose to save us, and by His grace, He regenerates our hearts so that we can respond in faith. All the glory belongs to the Lord because it's His power and love that transform our lives and bring us into a relationship with Him. We are grateful for God's mercy and humbled by His amazing grace!
You are gaslighting my friend.
@@alberteinstein7053 it’s weird that you’d want me to supply a verse to support my analogy when Calvinism has dozens and dozens of claims that aren’t explicitly supported by scripture at all.
God’s sovereignty being the prime example. Calvinism claims that God being a sovereign being necessitates that he controls every outcome within his creation. This is an illogical and morally bankrupt claim that isn’t supported by scripture. And yet you guys hold it to be true without questioning it.
@@harrygarris6921 where is your verse and exegesis that proves what you said? You can't show me even a chapter in the bible! Let me educate you again the concept of God's sovereignty from the bible:
Imagine you have a favorite book, and you know the whole story from beginning to end. You know the characters, the plot twists, and how everything will turn out. In a way, you have control over the story because you know what will happen. Similarly, God, who created the whole universe, knows everything from the beginning to the end. He knows every detail about you and me, and He knows how everything in the world will play out.
Bible Verses:
1. Psalm 103:19 (ESV) - "The LORD has established his throne in the heavens, and his kingdom rules over all." This verse reminds us that God is the King of everything, and His rule extends over the whole world.
2. Isaiah 46:9-10 (ESV) - "I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, 'My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose.'" These verses show that God knows the future and that His plans will always happen.
3. Jeremiah 32:17 (ESV) - "Ah, Lord GOD! It is you who have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and by your outstretched arm! Nothing is too hard for you." This verse emphasizes God's power and ability to control everything because He is the Creator.
Now, you might wonder, "If God is in control, does that mean we don't have any choices?" Great question! God gave us the amazing gift of free will. It's like He let us be the characters in His big story, and He allows us to make decisions. He doesn't force us to do anything, but He knows what choices we will make because He sees everything like a big puzzle.
Sometimes, things happen in life that we don't understand, and it can be tough. But we can trust that God is like the best author who knows how to make a beautiful and meaningful story. He can turn even the difficult parts of our lives into something good in the end.
Knowing that God is in control can give us comfort and peace. We don't need to worry because He knows what's best for us. We can talk to Him in prayer and trust that He will always listen and guide us.
God's sovereignty means He is the ultimate ruler of everything, just like an author knows the whole story. He allows us to make choices, and His plans are always perfect, even if we can't see the whole picture right now. We can rely on God's love and wisdom, knowing that He is always in charge and taking care of us.
Even John Calvin wasn’t a Calvinist. Piper, MacArthur, Sproul are heavy thick intellectuals. The common simple person would never come up with this stuff just reading the Bible and praying. Intellectualism will never lead to childlike faith.
She leave God true light not Calvin : She show she is always dead in sins) Calvinism do not saves lol Eph.2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: (IT IS NOT OF YOURSELF) it is the gift of Jesus (Grace and faith is a gift of Jesus not a man choice) unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.God:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ
We do not believe to be save we believe because we are save by being born from heaven and this have nothing to do with men will it's God Grace.
If you desire she said. What causes that desire? Think about it
We ARE drawn by God. He desires all of us but we CHOOSE to follow him
@@crazyleaf257 God specifically says he chooses us. We only choose him after not before
@@Thinking-Biblically well yes he DOES choose us. It's like adoption. He chooses us as the child but adopted kids don't have to go with the family if they don't want to.
@@Thinking-Biblically and we have the choice to not choose him
@@crazyleaf257 do you not understand irresistible grace?
One does not leave calvanism. For calvanism is not a religion. It is a set of doctrines based on the bible. One simply becomes "noncalvanist" because they see that God is not as good as they think God should be. They are disappointed that God is not who they think should be.
AMEN!
Why do you view it as a good thing to claim knowledge of who God is? We have certain things that came through revelation, but Calvinism goes above and beyond revelation to apply human reasoning to understand God. Personally, I think that’s a really bad idea. God is not subject to what the human rational mind can understand. He is God.
Men choice ? Really? John6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John15:16 Jesus says to the disciples, “You did not choose me, but I chose you.”
1peter1.1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, WHO ARE CHOSEN !
2tim.2:10 For this reason I endure all things for the sake of those WHO ARE CHOSEN, so that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus and with it eternal glory.
47:58 Dang 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
The doctrines of grace are true. There's no avoiding it
57:21 yessssssssssssssssss ughhhhh
Great interview. God is using her to expose a very misleading systematic that has crept into the church.
Thanks!
If you think you are going to stand before God and tell him, “I chose you.” You’re mistaken, sorry.
If you think you are going to stand before the Lord and say "You loved me and hated all of the non-elect." You're also mistaken.
@@GreatLightStudios unlike some, I don’t answer back to God, I just thank him for his mercy.
@@buzzlightyear5515 This is called "begging the question." It's a textbook fallacy.
@@GreatLightStudios agree to disagree. Praying for you brother.
@@GreatLightStudios What about "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I hated"? Truly just asking.
Alana: for your friend: Bad questions are impossible because of buried false assumptions: God created humans ‘in image of God’ and God delegated dominion and He delegated decisions to humans. God’s Word clearly states that humans are the FIRST CAUSE for their own decisions.
NOTHING outside a person ‘causes’ our decisions, which is why God says humans are ‘without excuse’.
Your friend has swallowed this Trojan Horse Question. The Question Itself falsely presumes “Something Outside Myself Forces my Own Decisions”.
This presumption is fatal blame-shifting.