I own 2 citizen eco drive divers 200m and 300m also omega seamaster and have collection of many vintage omega from myfather i like more citizen beautiful for men and rugged watches
U make nice videos but sometimes u say very weird stuff !! How can you compare Seiko or Citizen to Amazon homages like Pagani or whatever watches that ONLY make homage. Citizen, Seiko, Orient and Casio are on a different level, history, portfolio. These are brands that changed the watches industry forever !! At some point Swiss watches followed Japanese watches, to survive ... "Amazon homages" !! 🤦🏻
How comes people criticize companies such as Pagani Design / San Martin etc. for copying watches when larger companies like Seiko and citizen have been "influenced" by more luxury designs for years. And this model is literally a homage of tissot prx. Seiko has been copying rolex gmts, daytona in their recent Speedtimer chrono. Every brand does it but if a chinese brand does it its bad. They're literally giving a Nh34 gmt for 50 pounds with a sapphire crystal 100m water resistant and then u look at seiko's GMT no sapphire chunky and misaligned dial for 350 pounds. People who still think that brand like seiko and citizen are bang for the buck are either blind or doesn't even know shet about watches.
@@thegamingbegginers5777What you wrote is 100% on point. These watch snobs are really, really strange people. These amazon brands are fantastic and Citizen sells on Amazon too.
@@thegamingbegginers5777- well why should Seiko or Citizen copy from anyone? 😂 , either you are smartly ignoring their heritage and pedigree or just an effin fool !
@@thegamingbegginers5777 no, you are right, Seiko / Casio / Orient have homages of luxury watches, but they have lots of other inventions they have done to add to the watch history over time. They are different league from Pagani and San Martin who only makes a copy of the watch, and instead of selling as an illegal fake, they make small changes and brand it in their own, without adding to the watch industry. Again it’s a business model, even fake watches, I don’t mind either. But don’t put them with Seiko or Casio in same level. That’s all
I'm a huge Citizen fan and it's been nice to see the brand appearing on channels such as yours and Teddy's. I think Citizen should consider a quartz version as well. The main problem for this watch is the mighty Tissot PRX.
I own both a Powermatic 80 PRX (blue dial) and a Citizen Tsuyosa (yellow). The PRX is miles ahead imo, but it costs 3x more, so it should. Even the quartz PRX costs considerably more than the Automatic Citizen. Citizen offers great value - this is a watch that you can easily buy under 250bucks and you are getting the integrated bracelet design, a sapphire crystal and a reliable movement (the new versions even hack - mine doesn't actually, it's one of the first batches). I don't think the PRX is "the main pronlem" to this Citizen - they can definitely coexist and the Citizen is getting to a market that the PRX doesn't.
I definitely agree with you, my friend. The same watches with the same colours as exactly same as these ones must be created with Quartz versions as I personally do not like automatics falling behind in time due to their very mechanism.
Think people forget the look of certain Citizens from the 70's/80's. I think this is more of a modern take on their vintage catalogue. Love the yellow dial, really striking and a nice budget deal
In a world where Seiko is known as the dominate Japanese watchmaker for highly polished dressy watches and durable dive watches , and where Casio is synonymous with rugged and tactical watches from that same country, Citizen often gets overlooked when discussions arise regarding Japanese watches. That is unfortunate because Citizen produces some beautifully crafted watches, and their higher tier watches have some pretty eye catching designs. Granted, many of those stellar designs are in cases that are too large, but that not withstanding, they are a brand that should not be overlooked or ignored. Thank you Jenny for featuring them.
I associate Citizen with busy overdesigned chronograph watches unfortunately, even though some of their designs are really nice that's what I see in jewelers windows.
Agreed with you, Citizen does get overlooked. When I went to college, Citizens were generally worn by students on a budget and you could buy them at discount stores along with Timex. The company, like the other brands, tends to reserve some of their better designs and finished watches for their domestic market, but if you're willing to order from oversears you can get some great deals on watches that will be unique in many countries. Currently I'm looking at a Citizen Mechanical Silver Leaf Lacquer Dial NB1060-12 (JDM) watch with a dial that rivals that on many of the Seiko Presage line. The blue-green dial makes me feel like I'm looking into a deep pool of water. Runs about $700 USD so competitive with many of the Presage line.
@@hibernopithecus7500 I am happy for you, but as a guy with embarrassingly small wrists, watches with a width of 44 mm and above starts to look cartoonishly large on my wrists. The only watches that I will wear that are that large or larger are Casio G-Shocks as they have a tactical look, and appearing large and muscular is part of their appeal. However for the more dressy or casual look 38mm to 41mm is ideal for me.
@@balesjo Thanks for informing about the Silver Leaf. It looks beautiful and definitely can rival the Seiko Presage - a line of Seiko that I love and, of which, I own two. Speaking of higher end Citizens, I have grown particularly fond of Citizen's Attesa line. They strike a nice balance between dress and sporty.
The Tissot is TIWCE the price, while being only marginally superior in build quality and finish. I held the 2 side-by side and I still find the Citizen to be "vivid", while the Tissot is... sharp, cold and angular. So, please, don't recommend the Tissot as if it were SOOOO MUCH BETTER, for only "a bit more" money. The Quartz PRX is 50% more expensive than the Citizen and the Automatic PRX is more than double the price. Also, about the Tsuyota copying the Rolex, you placed them side by side and it is obvious the Citizen is not a shameless copy: the integrated bracelet with the narrow endlinks, the lack of a "Rolex-style" clasp (like Paganis and San Martins copy), the position of the crown and it being semi-hidden. On the other hand, if we're talking shamelessly ripping off a very famous and expensive watch, there's one mid-tier Swiss brand which sells 300-700EURO copies of the AP Royal Oak and calls them PRX (they even ripped-off the checkered dial and the colours of the AP dials)... Shall we dial down on the hypocrisy?
9:48 Jenni, nice informative review but you do give the impression here that the Tissot PRX Powermatic is just a *little bit more expensive* than the Citizen Tsuyosa. It certainly is not as *it's more than double the price.* I believe the Tsuyosa is a winner in the USD300 price range considering the features and overall value. Btw , the Tiffany blue dial one does exist but is only sold in Asia, albeit in very limited supply, for now.
It's a pretty nice looking watch. Citizen are beginning to make some interesting watches. That tucked in crown is similar to older Seiko 5 pieces though those Seiko's seem to have given the same look while making it easier to pull out and negotiate the positions. Excellent review as always. I do like the green and yellow dials. Glad you're feeling better. Have a great 2023!
One of the most subtly striking watches I’ve seen in a while is the Axiom BM7580-51L, as recently featured on Watchfinder’s “Watches Under $300” videos. As a technical design, it struck me as something that was designed by a Zoomer who was tasked with designing a watch that someone in the 70s thought watches would look like in 50 years. And from a more “romantic” (for want of a better word) perspective, it’s like that person whose blended in with your environment for years suddenly getting a hair style or wearing an outfit that, while not killer, perfectly accentuates their best feature, but then they go back, only now you notice them first everywhere & can’t remember why. See, now, that’s not supposed to happen with a Citizen 😄
I own the white dial. Please note those are pin pushers and not screws. It has the appearance of a screw but it’s not deep enough and non functional. I almost scratched the bracelet before I figured it out. Lol
This watch is PRX killer. We can argue only about the clasp. Anything else is slightly better than PRX. I can't forgive Tissot for not being able to give us a second hand that hits the markers, in their quartz version!!!
The unfavorable critique of the clasp is an overstatement. Don't get me wrong, the clasp could be better, but I appreciate the micro-adjustment. The only thing the Prx does better is the clasp and how it fits on the wrist; the lugs on the Prx have a better angle, so it hugs the wrist better. The lugs on the Citizen are short and don't have a sharper angle, creating a small space where the bracelets and lugs connect. I don't understand why RUclipsrs give PRX automatic so much hype. The movement is not even serviceable. It is a con; they try and sell you the idea that this is a watch you can pass down a few generations because the build is excellent at an affordable price, but to service these watches, all that happens is they switch out the entire movement. Modern attitudes about watches may find it acceptable to call the watch the original watch even if the whole movement was replaced and not actually serviced (fixing/replacing just the broken part.) The parts are from China. It costs about 20$ to 30$ to make.
Please can i see a orient oxford or orient diver review i cant see any proper review of them though i feel they are perfect especially orient oxford with its sapphire glass , automatic mechanics , open heart design Unlike tissot prx which at that price is a quartz
I have the Tissot PRX Automatic and have to agree with you, the quality is indeed on a higher level. But the Civilian is a very close homage to the PRX at a slightly lower price point than the Tissot. But I do want to say, I bought my first Citizen watch for my 68th birthday, the Citizen Promaster Land Titanium with Blue dial. Movement is the EcoDrive. I keep it out on my desk when not being worn so that it stays charged from the room lights. It was a surprisingly nice watch, a perfect size for my small wrist, and seems to be finished nicely. The bracelet is quite nice too. It is a JDM so I had to order it. Price was $350 so competitive with Seiko EcoDrives. I have noticed several other Citizen JDM watches that I like that use the Miyota 9xxx movements (I have a micro-brand watch with the Miyota 9015 I'm wearing right now. The movement has proven to be one of the most accurate in my collection so far).
How comes people criticize companies such as Pagani Design / San Martin etc. for copying watches when larger companies like Seiko and citizen have been "influenced" by more luxury designs for years. And this model is literally a homage of tissot prx. Seiko has been copying rolex gmts, daytona in their recent Speedtimer chrono. Every brand does it but if a chinese brand does it its bad. They're literally giving a Nh34 gmt for 50 pounds with a sapphire crystal 100m water resistant and then u look at seiko's GMT no sapphire chunky and misaligned dial for 350 pounds. People who still think that brand like seiko and citizen are bang for the buck are either blind or doesn't even know shet about watches.
I think it's interesting to watch these reviews who basically worship rolex, consistently have the inability to review lower end watches without talking down on them and basically making ppl who buy them feel shitty lol. It's ok to review a watch at a price range and NOT compare it to a Rolex haha but whatever.
The body of the watch is very angular while the bracelet is rounded. Looks like a mash-up watch to me. Hope they continue this line and improve on aesthetic and possibly release a smaller one.
I've both the Tiffany (NJ0151) and Orange (NJ0150) coloured Citizens and have reviewed them on my channel. The bracelet does not feel cheap, but it is a chunky bracelet that is apparent on my 6.25inch wrist. As to why certain colours not being available in the West, it really is a mystery. Perhaps they were concerned about IP issues for these colours, as the darker colours are more mainstream?
If I'm not wrong, this case design was used by the Rolex Oyster Quartz first in 1977, followed by Tissot Seastar Quartz in 1978 which looks very similar like a copy (which they re-release in recent years as the PRX collection). Citizen also released a number of Eagle 7 collections back in the 80's with many different case designs, with one of them having some resembling design with the Oyster Quartz as well. This new NJ015* Tsuyosa was a re-release of one of the original designs of Citizen Eagle 7 back in the 80's.
No, it's not It's similar, but neither the case nor the size nor the dial are the same. In fact, even the Miyota movement is a more modern version, 8210 vs 8200
@TheChzoronzon Citizen Eagle 7 did launched an exact case design for this new Tsuyosa, probably in mid or late 80's. Of course, the case is smaller at that time, and yes, the dial design is different and at that time, they use the 8200 with day date complication. This new Tsuyosa is an upgrade version to the original in terms of a larger case size, a Sapphire glass, solid bracelet, a very clean dial design without the day & the Eagle 7 logo and a different movement with a date complication only.
@@iXus78 I can't find any case from back then that is EXACTLY the same in their old catalogues... just some SIMILAR, as I said. But if you want to post the precise Reference, I'll check :) Or link to a pic, if that's easier for you
Got the yellow one and i must say i love it! The crown is indeed a disaster to use. The clasp is cheap but i like that it is thin on the wrist. The bracelet is great.
I was deciding between the yellow dial, and the "Tiffany Blue" one. Went with the yellow dial eventually. The Tiffany Blue is more Ice Blue in person, I would say. The yellow one simply has more personality. Wonder how the white dial would look on my wrist though.
8210 is an old school machine.. I believe its from 1974.. :) I have it in mine NJ0100-46L. Im not the biggest fan of metal straps. I feel like it ads 20+ years of my life
Price wise this compares to PRX quartz and is half the price of PRX powermatic (In India). This appears to be a more suitable candidate than PRX quartz.
I just got mine in yellow for 223€ at a German concessionaire, everything available, he even ships worldwide with UPS in case of doubt (wouldn't be the first watch flying around the globe from here). For the price just extremely good, I have not regretted the purchase.
You keep ranting about small size watches like 38mm or 36mm. For YOU that may be ideal, unless the majority of the population suffers from malnutrition and small wrists. For others like myself, the mimimum I require is 40mm,and having tried 38mm and 36mm on my wrist, they look like ladies watches on big wrists. Of course this is my opinion.
Handsome kitty and nice review. In their defense, exhibition case base is a significant difference. I might buy the yellow if it’s possible to swap on a black rubber strap - would be great for summer.
You get a combination of Rolex OP and Tissot PRX with this one....at a very reasonable price. This series has about 10 colorways and definitely more interesting than what Tissot PRX offers.
I have had my Tsuyosa for three months now. I must say I am delighted with the watch. I like every aspect of the watch, but if I could change anything, I would improve the quality of the clasp, it works well but looks ordinary. The crown is initially a little difficult, but you soon get used to it. For the price a good buy.
screw down crown or gasket? I'm thinking about getting the white dial. this watch interests me. does it wear big? I have a smaller wrist but 40mm usually sits fine enough. thanks.
I bough the diver version (same movement, bracelet and push/pull crown w/100m) and I do like it as a $200 dive-style watch. But the bracelet and clasp are terrible, so I replaced the clasp with a good milled clasp and is it is a good looking watch, just not great.
It can be argued that Citizen is capitalizing the hype around the PRX, but saying that they are copying other brands shows a complete lack of knowledge about the brand. The tsuyosa design is very similar to Citizen models from the 70's and it also a very classic design which, inevitably, reminds of other timepieces. If the tsuyosa is a copy, so are 90% of the models released every year.
This is a beautiful day-to-day watch that pulls a lot of attention. I have the yellow one, and had to steal it from the gates of hell to get it. The bracelet is indeed not the best in the world, but it does it's job and looks nice. If Citizen made the other colors available in Europe, I would certainly pick up the tiffany and the red dial ones (yes, a lot more colors exist).
Certainly better than a Seiko 5, where they "offer" you a cheap-ass holow bracelet, where you can see the seams from the side, and a hardlex crystal lol This Citizen is a a great watch for the price, definitely!
@@Governmenttruth yes no doubt about that. But im comparing this one with the new/current Seiko 5s, that cost well over 200 and are way way worse than this Citizen imo. You can definitely still get great older Seiko 5s for around 100 - but still, old movement, no hacking no handwinding, super bad bracelets etc. But at the price they are good, and definitely reliable.
Love the side to side comparison. To call this a homage bordering on counterfeit is a far stretch in my opinion. The difference in proportions is significant. The feature I especially appreciate is the angled/beveled edges of the bezel and case. I prefer it over the roundness of the Rolex. Also gives a very different look to the lugs with that integrated bracelet. The bracelet, yes, that does look alike. I am glad it does 🤤
Don’t really see much similarity to the Rolex here, with an angular integrated bracelet, and the 4 o’clock embedded crown; the only thing similar is the silly magnifying wart on the crystal (which I wish Rolex would do away with also, completely unnecessary, and I need glasses to read, an really looks odd, though it is Rolex’s defining design language I guess). You can’t really say that a colored round dial with bar hour markers and a date at three o’clock make it a homage of Rolex. For the price it seems like Citizen has a nice watch here.
The yellow would have been my choice. It's gorgeous, by the way. Comparing Rolex and Tissot to this Citizen is not completely fair imo. You just can't compare a much, much, more expensive Rolex and a more expensive Tissot to this Citizen. I think it's a great offering
No, I dont think calling it counterfeit justifies what Citizen did. Not all cool and great looking watches should cost a fortune. That's the reason why brands like Citizen and Seiko exist. To give everyone a fair chance to enjoy watch collecting.
Love, love the color of the Ice blue- Tiffany looking face dial!! Would this be too small for my wrists? I love to wear big face watches- I have Apple Watch series 6, Michael Kors chronograph watch- 2 tone in color. I just really want to get this watch but a little on the fence due to size? Any thoughts, please & thank you :)
I don't get it why people are complaining about watches that have water resistance of 10-15 meters? Like any of you will actually go that deep with that watch. If you are a diver you won't buy this kind of watch for diving. You will buy a professional diving watch. For 99.9% of the people water resistance of 10-15 meters is more than you will ever need.
I have just received in tiffany blue. I bought it for the summer. My feel it is a very cheap made but does the job and I enjoy it a lot. You send 260eur insteag of 15000 or 21000 eur for Rolex depends if its 36 or 41. I don't care if it will or not scratch.
How is a 7 G plus Rolex Date Just & a 3 Hundy $$$ Citizen a fair comparison ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Jenn, love your channel and an other RUclipsr which did a Subby & SKX battle.... But WTF ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Someone explain to me the logic of comparing the 2 or how it might be a "fair" comparison ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
I'm digging the Citizen watch. But would I spend $400 USD on it? No. It's just not special enough. It's certainly nice and a great homage to the Rolex. But again, there are great alternatives that may be even less expensive and have a great look in that category.
The blue and green dials' sunburst effect are quite pronounced in this video. I recalled seeing the yellow dial, it is actually not sunburst, quite similar to Rolex OP yellow.
The reality is no matter how good, how accurate, a Citizen watch is, I won't pay 4 digits for a Citizen watch. This brand is already set deeply to $300😂. This brand has good value for money true. But cheap brand.
I really don't get this Citizen Tsuyosa being an "homage" of PRX, i have a quartz and an automatic 80's citizen and honestly they look more like PRX than PRX itself, with a more elegant, confortable and wearable size.
The bracelet is amazing in my opinion. The clasp kinda looks nice. It is pressed but in that price range okay. But the feel of it is just great. Very comfortable and i wear ot every day. I have some watches even some pricier. But this bracelet is pure love. I even sweat much less. Maybe because of the little space between. On the wrist you barely see the space
To say it's a homage is Farfetch. Rolex OP has 3 o'clock crown, no cyclops, steel composition different. Indices different. No exhibition case back. Price range, different clasp, and not an integrated bracelet. No date window. And hacking movement. On top of that citizen doesn't release yellow watch just for this model. And intended only for jdm. It is watch enthusiast dismissed their domestic product as homage to Rolex.
shaking the watch to hear the noise of the bracelet it's nothing to worry about because when your wearing the watch there's no noise and Citizen is more classy then the Rolex for its money and well worth every penny. Rolex I believe is hyped up and I believe your paying too much for it and your not getting your money's worth like Citizen and Seiko. All the best to the Rolex owners, you wanted status you GOT IT!
Can any of these brands actually do anything but copy Rolex designs, dials, and colours? I would totally be on board with many of these brands if their goal was different from trying to produce the best looking Rolex knock-off. (not a rolex simp, but seriously this is ridiculous)
The Gubel test alone deserves the thumbs up. it might be one of the best looking citizen I've seen recently.
Kudos to Jenny for being partial, yet submitting to Gumbi's wisdom
The Gubel test is the most scientific method known to date! Great job 😁
I thought of it as a "cat scan."
@@jsusna1972 Badum-bum!
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tbh i was expecting a gubel paw rising from under the table to jiggle the bracelet.. but, it'll suffice
I love Gübi
I own 2 citizen eco drive divers 200m and 300m also omega seamaster and have collection of many vintage omega from myfather i like more citizen beautiful for men and rugged watches
Sharp looking watch. It reminds me more of the PRX than the OP. Glad you're feeling better. Welcome back!
U make nice videos but sometimes u say very weird stuff !! How can you compare Seiko or Citizen to Amazon homages like Pagani or whatever watches that ONLY make homage. Citizen, Seiko, Orient and Casio are on a different level, history, portfolio. These are brands that changed the watches industry forever !! At some point Swiss watches followed Japanese watches, to survive ... "Amazon homages" !! 🤦🏻
How comes people criticize companies such as Pagani Design / San Martin etc. for copying watches when larger companies like Seiko and citizen have been "influenced" by more luxury designs for years. And this model is literally a homage of tissot prx. Seiko has been copying rolex gmts, daytona in their recent Speedtimer chrono. Every brand does it but if a chinese brand does it its bad. They're literally giving a Nh34 gmt for 50 pounds with a sapphire crystal 100m water resistant and then u look at seiko's GMT no sapphire chunky and misaligned dial for 350 pounds. People who still think that brand like seiko and citizen are bang for the buck are either blind or doesn't even know shet about watches.
@@thegamingbegginers5777What you wrote is 100% on point. These watch snobs are really, really strange people.
These amazon brands are fantastic and Citizen sells on Amazon too.
@@thegamingbegginers5777- well why should Seiko or Citizen copy from anyone? 😂 , either you are smartly ignoring their heritage and pedigree or just an effin fool !
You are right, she is weird sometimes. Just a Rolex snob
@@thegamingbegginers5777 no, you are right, Seiko / Casio / Orient have homages of luxury watches, but they have lots of other inventions they have done to add to the watch history over time. They are different league from Pagani and San Martin who only makes a copy of the watch, and instead of selling as an illegal fake, they make small changes and brand it in their own, without adding to the watch industry. Again it’s a business model, even fake watches, I don’t mind either. But don’t put them with Seiko or Casio in same level. That’s all
A smaller 38mm would be perfect for many of us. Love the dial colors and case design. Passing the GubeI test is a plus. 🙀
Totally agree! Don’t like large watches anymore.
No
The size is just right. It doesn't wear big.
@@steveyoung101 I agree.
They need a 34-36mm version for people who like classic style.
I'm a huge Citizen fan and it's been nice to see the brand appearing on channels such as yours and Teddy's. I think Citizen should consider a quartz version as well. The main problem for this watch is the mighty Tissot PRX.
Yeh I think the integrated band on the prx is just much better
But these are cheaper. Automatic prx is costly.
The tissot prx is unoriginal, ots basically a cheap royal oak. This is much much better
I own both a Powermatic 80 PRX (blue dial) and a Citizen Tsuyosa (yellow). The PRX is miles ahead imo, but it costs 3x more, so it should. Even the quartz PRX costs considerably more than the Automatic Citizen. Citizen offers great value - this is a watch that you can easily buy under 250bucks and you are getting the integrated bracelet design, a sapphire crystal and a reliable movement (the new versions even hack - mine doesn't actually, it's one of the first batches). I don't think the PRX is "the main pronlem" to this Citizen - they can definitely coexist and the Citizen is getting to a market that the PRX doesn't.
I definitely agree with you, my friend. The same watches with the same colours as exactly same as these ones must be created with Quartz versions as I personally do not like automatics falling behind in time due to their very mechanism.
Think people forget the look of certain Citizens from the 70's/80's. I think this is more of a modern take on their vintage catalogue. Love the yellow dial, really striking and a nice budget deal
In a world where Seiko is known as the dominate Japanese watchmaker for highly polished dressy watches and durable dive watches , and where Casio is synonymous with rugged and tactical watches from that same country, Citizen often gets overlooked when discussions arise regarding Japanese watches. That is unfortunate because Citizen produces some beautifully crafted watches, and their higher tier watches have some pretty eye catching designs. Granted, many of those stellar designs are in cases that are too large, but that not withstanding, they are a brand that should not be overlooked or ignored. Thank you Jenny for featuring them.
I associate Citizen with busy overdesigned chronograph watches unfortunately, even though some of their designs are really nice that's what I see in jewelers windows.
Ah, but 44/45mm is my sweet spot. Yay Citizen!
Agreed with you, Citizen does get overlooked. When I went to college, Citizens were generally worn by students on a budget and you could buy them at discount stores along with Timex. The company, like the other brands, tends to reserve some of their better designs and finished watches for their domestic market, but if you're willing to order from oversears you can get some great deals on watches that will be unique in many countries. Currently I'm looking at a Citizen Mechanical Silver Leaf Lacquer Dial NB1060-12 (JDM) watch with a dial that rivals that on many of the Seiko Presage line. The blue-green dial makes me feel like I'm looking into a deep pool of water. Runs about $700 USD so competitive with many of the Presage line.
@@hibernopithecus7500 I am happy for you, but as a guy with embarrassingly small wrists, watches with a width of 44 mm and above starts to look cartoonishly large on my wrists. The only watches that I will wear that are that large or larger are Casio G-Shocks as they have a tactical look, and appearing large and muscular is part of their appeal. However for the more dressy or casual look 38mm to 41mm is ideal for me.
@@balesjo Thanks for informing about the Silver Leaf. It looks beautiful and definitely can rival the Seiko Presage - a line of Seiko that I love and, of which, I own two. Speaking of higher end Citizens, I have grown particularly fond of Citizen's Attesa line. They strike a nice balance between dress and sporty.
The Tissot is TIWCE the price, while being only marginally superior in build quality and finish.
I held the 2 side-by side and I still find the Citizen to be "vivid", while the Tissot is... sharp, cold and angular.
So, please, don't recommend the Tissot as if it were SOOOO MUCH BETTER, for only "a bit more" money.
The Quartz PRX is 50% more expensive than the Citizen and the Automatic PRX is more than double the price.
Also, about the Tsuyota copying the Rolex, you placed them side by side and it is obvious the Citizen is not a shameless copy: the integrated bracelet with the narrow endlinks, the lack of a "Rolex-style" clasp (like Paganis and San Martins copy), the position of the crown and it being semi-hidden.
On the other hand, if we're talking shamelessly ripping off a very famous and expensive watch, there's one mid-tier Swiss brand which sells 300-700EURO copies of the AP Royal Oak and calls them PRX (they even ripped-off the checkered dial and the colours of the AP dials)...
Shall we dial down on the hypocrisy?
Orient Star should be the next brand from japan, they are soooo good, in house, great finishing, good bracelet, and history, so underrated
Get the bambino, total class.
They will become seiko … an overpriced brand after some time
@@dostoevsky90 OS is underpriced, if they charge more for their watches will be fair
Owned by seiko
@@ekimandersom4478 yes, but is a whole different brand completely independent
9:48 Jenni, nice informative review but you do give the impression here that the Tissot PRX Powermatic is just a *little bit more expensive* than the Citizen Tsuyosa. It certainly is not as *it's more than double the price.* I believe the Tsuyosa is a winner in the USD300 price range considering the features and overall value. Btw , the Tiffany blue dial one does exist but is only sold in Asia, albeit in very limited supply, for now.
Or... Just buy both!?
The tissot was awful at my hand. The bracelet was like a hand cuff. The tsuyosa, on the other hand, fit like a glove ❤
It's a pretty nice looking watch. Citizen are beginning to make some interesting watches. That tucked in crown is similar to older Seiko 5 pieces though those Seiko's seem to have given the same look while making it easier to pull out and negotiate the positions. Excellent review as always. I do like the green and yellow dials. Glad you're feeling better. Have a great 2023!
One of the most subtly striking watches I’ve seen in a while is the Axiom BM7580-51L, as recently featured on Watchfinder’s “Watches Under $300” videos.
As a technical design, it struck me as something that was designed by a Zoomer who was tasked with designing a watch that someone in the 70s thought watches would look like in 50 years.
And from a more “romantic” (for want of a better word) perspective, it’s like that person whose blended in with your environment for years suddenly getting a hair style or wearing an outfit that, while not killer, perfectly accentuates their best feature, but then they go back, only now you notice them first everywhere & can’t remember why.
See, now, that’s not supposed to happen with a Citizen 😄
Citizen was making interesting watches before you were born son
dude its literraly a 1978 citizen reedition ; you kids are so ignorant .
I own the white dial. Please note those are pin pushers and not screws. It has the appearance of a screw but it’s not deep enough and non functional. I almost scratched the bracelet before I figured it out. Lol
I'm waiting for the white dial version I just bought to arrive....any long term thoughts since owning yours?
This watch is PRX killer. We can argue only about the clasp. Anything else is slightly better than PRX. I can't forgive Tissot for not being able to give us a second hand that hits the markers, in their quartz version!!!
The unfavorable critique of the clasp is an overstatement. Don't get me wrong, the clasp could be better, but I appreciate the micro-adjustment. The only thing the Prx does better is the clasp and how it fits on the wrist; the lugs on the Prx have a better angle, so it hugs the wrist better. The lugs on the Citizen are short and don't have a sharper angle, creating a small space where the bracelets and lugs connect. I don't understand why RUclipsrs give PRX automatic so much hype. The movement is not even serviceable. It is a con; they try and sell you the idea that this is a watch you can pass down a few generations because the build is excellent at an affordable price, but to service these watches, all that happens is they switch out the entire movement. Modern attitudes about watches may find it acceptable to call the watch the original watch even if the whole movement was replaced and not actually serviced (fixing/replacing just the broken part.) The parts are from China. It costs about 20$ to 30$ to make.
Needs a cream dial
the smaller propotion of its lug to diameter, actually makes it looks and wears better than prx
Citizen realised they can easily outshine Seiko by doing what Seiko refused to change based on customers' feedback 🙂
Well said.. seiko these days is overpriced and esp in india its a worthy market after 65-70k INR….
Please can i see a orient oxford or orient diver review i cant see any proper review of them though i feel they are perfect especially orient oxford with its sapphire glass , automatic mechanics , open heart design
Unlike tissot prx which at that price is a quartz
I have the Tissot PRX Automatic and have to agree with you, the quality is indeed on a higher level. But the Civilian is a very close homage to the PRX at a slightly lower price point than the Tissot. But I do want to say, I bought my first Citizen watch for my 68th birthday, the Citizen Promaster Land Titanium with Blue dial. Movement is the EcoDrive. I keep it out on my desk when not being worn so that it stays charged from the room lights. It was a surprisingly nice watch, a perfect size for my small wrist, and seems to be finished nicely. The bracelet is quite nice too. It is a JDM so I had to order it. Price was $350 so competitive with Seiko EcoDrives. I have noticed several other Citizen JDM watches that I like that use the Miyota 9xxx movements (I have a micro-brand watch with the Miyota 9015 I'm wearing right now. The movement has proven to be one of the most accurate in my collection so far).
If it was available with an Eco-Drive movement, then it would be a terrific daily watch.
This. I'm waiting for this. Need a replacement for my existing ecodrive, I broke it in an accident ;-;
If you wear it daily you won’t have an issue with it stopping so eco drive isn’t really important.
@@troxigg Eco Drive's are way more accurate if accuracy is important to you.
Eco-Drive still need the battery replaced regularly. That sucks
It’s automatic how is it not a good daily wearer ? 😂
Tiffany Blue which is the most desired by people colour version is completely sold out and unavailable 👎
I have the green dial and love it!
Somehow I love my orange Tsuyosha’s bracelet. It looks good and wears very nice around the wrist.
How comes people criticize companies such as Pagani Design / San Martin etc. for copying watches when larger companies like Seiko and citizen have been "influenced" by more luxury designs for years. And this model is literally a homage of tissot prx. Seiko has been copying rolex gmts, daytona in their recent Speedtimer chrono. Every brand does it but if a chinese brand does it its bad. They're literally giving a Nh34 gmt for 50 pounds with a sapphire crystal 100m water resistant and then u look at seiko's GMT no sapphire chunky and misaligned dial for 350 pounds. People who still think that brand like seiko and citizen are bang for the buck are either blind or doesn't even know shet about watches.
What is the point of comparing Citizen with Rolex? Do you expect to get a $10K+ watch bracelet for a Citizen?
I think it's interesting to watch these reviews who basically worship rolex, consistently have the inability to review lower end watches without talking down on them and basically making ppl who buy them feel shitty lol. It's ok to review a watch at a price range and NOT compare it to a Rolex haha but whatever.
The body of the watch is very angular while the bracelet is rounded. Looks like a mash-up watch to me. Hope they continue this line and improve on aesthetic and possibly release a smaller one.
Appreciate the video....but the sound quality is well below par. 😪
It looks nice but I'm not a fan of the integrated bracelet.
Generally or specifically ?
I've both the Tiffany (NJ0151) and Orange (NJ0150) coloured Citizens and have reviewed them on my channel. The bracelet does not feel cheap, but it is a chunky bracelet that is apparent on my 6.25inch wrist. As to why certain colours not being available in the West, it really is a mystery. Perhaps they were concerned about IP issues for these colours, as the darker colours are more mainstream?
Very affordable and very nice looking. Citizen watches are usually excellent and this is tempting! Thx!
If I'm not wrong, this case design was used by the Rolex Oyster Quartz first in 1977, followed by Tissot Seastar Quartz in 1978 which looks very similar like a copy (which they re-release in recent years as the PRX collection). Citizen also released a number of Eagle 7 collections back in the 80's with many different case designs, with one of them having some resembling design with the Oyster Quartz as well. This new NJ015* Tsuyosa was a re-release of one of the original designs of Citizen Eagle 7 back in the 80's.
No, it's not
It's similar, but neither the case nor the size nor the dial are the same.
In fact, even the Miyota movement is a more modern version, 8210 vs 8200
@TheChzoronzon Citizen Eagle 7 did launched an exact case design for this new Tsuyosa, probably in mid or late 80's. Of course, the case is smaller at that time, and yes, the dial design is different and at that time, they use the 8200 with day date complication. This new Tsuyosa is an upgrade version to the original in terms of a larger case size, a Sapphire glass, solid bracelet, a very clean dial design without the day & the Eagle 7 logo and a different movement with a date complication only.
@@iXus78 I can't find any case from back then that is EXACTLY the same in their old catalogues... just some SIMILAR, as I said.
But if you want to post the precise Reference, I'll check :)
Or link to a pic, if that's easier for you
Leave internet , or better don't use , you understand Exactly 0
I bought one and now I have two.
Personally I am not fond of integrated bracelet designs like PRX or this citizen. But to call this a homage of Rolex would be absurd!
Got the yellow one and i must say i love it! The crown is indeed a disaster to use. The clasp is cheap but i like that it is thin on the wrist. The bracelet is great.
After a year, how do you find it? I thing is my next watch
@@aminabellalvaradoaguero9190 i sold it a couple of weeks ago. I found it to be to big for me.
I love the green but only because it reminds me of the green rolex.
I was deciding between the yellow dial, and the "Tiffany Blue" one. Went with the yellow dial eventually. The Tiffany Blue is more Ice Blue in person, I would say. The yellow one simply has more personality. Wonder how the white dial would look on my wrist though.
Another huge middle finger to rolex snobbery
It was available first in Singapore, not Japan.
correctly say, first available in Asia exclude Japan.😁
Loved the GubeI test. 🙀 Perhaps a Seiko 5 bracelet would be a good baseline for the GubeI test?
Me being the diehard Citizen Watch owner that I am. I'm blown away that this is your first review of a Citizen Watch on your channel.
I have the Tiffany dial so it actually exists.
8210 is an old school machine.. I believe its from 1974.. :) I have it in mine NJ0100-46L. Im not the biggest fan of metal straps. I feel like it ads 20+ years of my life
Love mine. The green dial is so beautiful and it fits so beautifully on my wrist. My first automatic watch
Price wise this compares to PRX quartz and is half the price of PRX powermatic (In India). This appears to be a more suitable candidate than PRX quartz.
It's totally worth it
i love this watch but it is much too big for my wrist :(
5 ATM ... this is ridiculous ...
The jellow is already available in Germany. It just has a waiting time of a few months. Yes, crazy right, waiting time for a citizen 😄
Is it pineapple, banana or lemon jello?
does anyone know if the crown is a screw-down one ?
I got one in white dial for 310 USD. it’s just so good.
I just got mine in yellow for 223€ at a German concessionaire, everything available, he even ships worldwide with UPS in case of doubt (wouldn't be the first watch flying around the globe from here). For the price just extremely good, I have not regretted the purchase.
Can you tell the name of the german store? Thanks
That scientifically reliable testing part is absolutely adorable! This should be a regular 😂
You keep ranting about small size watches like 38mm or 36mm. For YOU that may be ideal, unless the majority of the population suffers from malnutrition and small wrists. For others like myself, the mimimum I require is 40mm,and having tried 38mm and 36mm on my wrist, they look like ladies watches on big wrists. Of course this is my opinion.
The Tsuyosa is better looking than the PRX in my opinion
Jenni! You’re soooo close to 300K subs!! 😱😱😱 biggest congrats EVER! And amazing review, as always! 💕💕💕
Handsome kitty and nice review. In their defense, exhibition case base is a significant difference.
I might buy the yellow if it’s possible to swap on a black rubber strap - would be great for summer.
38 or 37mm would be better.
You get a combination of Rolex OP and Tissot PRX with this one....at a very reasonable price. This series has about 10 colorways and definitely more interesting than what Tissot PRX offers.
It’s a good start. I have a few friends that are young and have no money. They are going to love these watches. Thanks
I have had my Tsuyosa for three months now. I must say I am delighted with the watch. I like every aspect of the watch, but if I could change anything, I would improve the quality of the clasp, it works well but looks ordinary. The crown is initially a little difficult, but you soon get used to it. For the price a good buy.
screw down crown or gasket? I'm thinking about getting the white dial. this watch interests me. does it wear big? I have a smaller wrist but 40mm usually sits fine enough. thanks.
I bough the diver version (same movement, bracelet and push/pull crown w/100m) and I do like it as a $200 dive-style watch. But the bracelet and clasp are terrible, so I replaced the clasp with a good milled clasp and is it is a good looking watch, just not great.
Like the blue dial the best. Maybe the yellow. 🤔 The case is too large on me. Prefer it to be 36 mm.
It can be argued that Citizen is capitalizing the hype around the PRX, but saying that they are copying other brands shows a complete lack of knowledge about the brand. The tsuyosa design is very similar to Citizen models from the 70's and it also a very classic design which, inevitably, reminds of other timepieces. If the tsuyosa is a copy, so are 90% of the models released every year.
This is a beautiful day-to-day watch that pulls a lot of attention. I have the yellow one, and had to steal it from the gates of hell to get it. The bracelet is indeed not the best in the world, but it does it's job and looks nice. If Citizen made the other colors available in Europe, I would certainly pick up the tiffany and the red dial ones (yes, a lot more colors exist).
The other dails are not the from the same line. But also amazing! De other colors are from the 88 line. This is the 81 line if i am correct.
Beautiful, in my opinion the more affordable options compared to the Rolex Oyster Perpetual and Omega Aqua Terra line. Love it 🙂👋
So nice review!!
u don't have to deduct the cloth as the tare was already set to 0.
Certainly better than a Seiko 5, where they "offer" you a cheap-ass holow bracelet, where you can see the seams from the side, and a hardlex crystal lol This Citizen is a a great watch for the price, definitely!
For one third of the price. I have 3 seiko 5´s, all under a 100 €, and they run fine after 10 years.
@@Governmenttruth yes no doubt about that. But im comparing this one with the new/current Seiko 5s, that cost well over 200 and are way way worse than this Citizen imo. You can definitely still get great older Seiko 5s for around 100 - but still, old movement, no hacking no handwinding, super bad bracelets etc. But at the price they are good, and definitely reliable.
PRX is about 3x's the money. Your Rolex 25x's the cost. Are those fair comparisons? Sounds like the Citizen is a bargain.
Love the side to side comparison. To call this a homage bordering on counterfeit is a far stretch in my opinion. The difference in proportions is significant. The feature I especially appreciate is the angled/beveled edges of the bezel and case. I prefer it over the roundness of the Rolex. Also gives a very different look to the lugs with that integrated bracelet. The bracelet, yes, that does look alike. I am glad it does 🤤
+ of course the cyclops is very reminiscent of the oyster datejust/daydate. Love that feature too 😅
You need to show us the Seiko GubeiTest. And also trademark that before Adrian Barker steals it 😁
This is going to be a classic vintage 30 years from now on just like Citizen Eagle Day Dates. Try reviewing a Pagani Design or a San Martin :)
Don’t really see much similarity to the Rolex here, with an angular integrated bracelet, and the 4 o’clock embedded crown; the only thing similar is the silly magnifying wart on the crystal (which I wish Rolex would do away with also, completely unnecessary, and I need glasses to read, an really looks odd, though it is Rolex’s defining design language I guess). You can’t really say that a colored round dial with bar hour markers and a date at three o’clock make it a homage of Rolex. For the price it seems like Citizen has a nice watch here.
An 38mm version with Myiota 9000 series movement and it will be a great watch!
Tiffany blue and other colors are available on asian websites (such as hong kong and singapore), where the Tsuyosas are available since mid 2021 ;)
The yellow would have been my choice. It's gorgeous, by the way. Comparing Rolex and Tissot to this Citizen is not completely fair imo.
You just can't compare a much, much, more expensive Rolex and a more expensive Tissot to this Citizen. I think it's a great offering
No, I dont think calling it counterfeit justifies what Citizen did. Not all cool and great looking watches should cost a fortune. That's the reason why brands like Citizen and Seiko exist. To give everyone a fair chance to enjoy watch collecting.
Love, love the color of the Ice blue- Tiffany looking face dial!! Would this be too small for my wrists? I love to wear big face watches- I have Apple Watch series 6, Michael Kors chronograph watch- 2 tone in color. I just really want to get this watch but a little on the fence due to size? Any thoughts, please & thank you :)
jenni you need to start selling watches! i would 100% buy from you!
I don't get it why people are complaining about watches that have water resistance of 10-15 meters? Like any of you will actually go that deep with that watch. If you are a diver you won't buy this kind of watch for diving. You will buy a professional diving watch. For 99.9% of the people water resistance of 10-15 meters is more than you will ever need.
I have just received in tiffany blue. I bought it for the summer. My feel it is a very cheap made but does the job and I enjoy it a lot. You send 260eur insteag of 15000 or 21000 eur for Rolex depends if its 36 or 41. I don't care if it will or not scratch.
How is a 7 G plus Rolex Date Just & a 3 Hundy $$$ Citizen a fair comparison ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Jenn, love your channel and an other RUclipsr which did a Subby & SKX battle.... But WTF ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Someone explain to me the logic of comparing the 2 or how it might be a "fair" comparison ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
The yellow one was available in some EU countries in autumn 2022. I've seen it in Slovakia in October.
Seiko 5...37....works great on my wrist...an Seiko 5....is supa easy to pull....easy........boss lady watch
This is such a beautiful watch, more desirable than the PRX in my opinion but I am not sure if they offer it in a smaller size.
I'm digging the Citizen watch. But would I spend $400 USD on it? No. It's just not special enough. It's certainly nice and a great homage to the Rolex. But again, there are great alternatives that may be even less expensive and have a great look in that category.
The blue and green dials' sunburst effect are quite pronounced in this video. I recalled seeing the yellow dial, it is actually not sunburst, quite similar to Rolex OP yellow.
But seriously this thing has nothing on my Spaghetti Scameti. 😎
I almost became a SEIKO fan, but went Citizen instead. Eco-Drive is awesome.
The reality is no matter how good, how accurate, a Citizen watch is, I won't pay 4 digits for a Citizen watch. This brand is already set deeply to $300😂. This brand has good value for money true. But cheap brand.
I really don't get this Citizen Tsuyosa being an "homage" of PRX, i have a quartz and an automatic 80's citizen and honestly they look more like PRX than PRX itself, with a more elegant, confortable and wearable size.
The bracelet is amazing in my opinion. The clasp kinda looks nice. It is pressed but in that price range okay. But the feel of it is just great. Very comfortable and i wear ot every day. I have some watches even some pricier. But this bracelet is pure love. I even sweat much less. Maybe because of the little space between. On the wrist you barely see the space
To say it's a homage is Farfetch. Rolex OP has 3 o'clock crown, no cyclops, steel composition different. Indices different. No exhibition case back. Price range, different clasp, and not an integrated bracelet. No date window. And hacking movement. On top of that citizen doesn't release yellow watch just for this model. And intended only for jdm. It is watch enthusiast dismissed their domestic product as homage to Rolex.
Problem with Tissot is they plonk a plastic escarpment into the work's , I mean PLASTIC !! 🙂
No matter how good it is people won't pay a premium to read "CITIZEN" below 12 a clock. Simple as that.
why didnt you release a BLACK FRIDAY SALES VIDEO i wanna know what are the best watch deals on black friday
Great watch and the movement is very good, the only bad thing is if you try to wind it up. Very difficult 😔
shaking the watch to hear the noise of the bracelet it's nothing to worry about because when your wearing the watch there's no noise and Citizen is more classy then the Rolex for its money and well worth every penny.
Rolex I believe is hyped up and I believe your paying too much for it and your not getting your money's worth like Citizen and Seiko.
All the best to the Rolex owners, you wanted status you GOT IT!
Can any of these brands actually do anything but copy Rolex designs, dials, and colours? I would totally be on board with many of these brands if their goal was different from trying to produce the best looking Rolex knock-off. (not a rolex simp, but seriously this is ridiculous)