@@BigDaddy52525 "Just snaps"?????? What a stupid thing to say. If you don't want to be a grown up, and a parent, don't have kids! Quit making EXCUSES !
@duallove6909 how did a minor get these weapons....how did the parents not find them....how did they not think something needed to be looked into if their son is that crazy....they were terrible parents and at the very least be charged with child endangerment. You cannot have a child be a stranger in your house
Crumbleys parents bought him the gun for his birthday, despite knowing about his depression and other mental health issues. They had repeated requests and chances issued by the school that he needed mental help. And the icing on the cake is the day of the shooting, they were called into his school because his plans were found out and asked to take him out and they balked and did nothing. They did nothing when the evidence was so clear. The one thing I will say is, I feel like the school shouldn’t have allowed him to stay, they should’ve called authorities and made him have an emergency mental health evaluation. He never should’ve been allowed to return to class.
The terrifying thing is, I can't even differentiate between the different shootings anymore (I honestly don't even remember this one)... It's become just another day...😔
The sad thing is that when shock becomes the norm, people won't bate an eyelid at "yet another one" because it will be engrained as a part of normal life.
There hasn't been one in a while. However, casualties from drunk drivers or bad drivers in general, THAT had literally become "just another day" occurrence and NOBODY bats an eye!!!!!
@@AngeliqueThomas-ex7lh it’s very sad and disheartening, this is my hometown where i grew up and after the shooting happened i was afraid to go back to school and feared it every day thinking it was going to happen again, and due to what he did it took a part of my childhood as well as many others with us having to go through metal detectors to just get into school
The difference is the Krumbley's knew their kid had weapons, even bought some of them for him. These parents had no clue because he kept them hidden. As a parent myself, we can't possibly know everything our kids has up their sleeves. The teacher has taught enough kids to know they can be contingent & spontaneous. I feel pretty sure she hasn't always been aware of evey one of her stufents actions. There's a national problem now with bullying in schools right under their noses & teachers claim they're unaware until it's gone too far.
Statistically the rate of bullying is way down relative to the past Also correction the crumbly kid was bought his only gun by his parents and this was despite all the issues they knew about
Also with guns, I wouldn't think the parents would even know why he has guns let alone kept it a secret. They would be surprised or even upset maybe but never expected this.
I’m glad the parents weren’t found guilty. That could open so many doors. What would stop them from arresting the siblings and the uncle and the neighbor next? That’s just way too risky. This case is COMPLETELY different from the Crumbly case.
the fact that thats the people who were raising them and keeping him in check is what is keeping them from putting literally any other family member in jail. but yes i agree this case is completely different
nah this trial was needed. you would think having a child who committed a massacre is extreme enough to warrant it. the world is what it is and it's the parents responsibility to define what their child is becoming to be.
Nothing to do with it?! They're his parents! If anything they should at least be charged with child neglect and engagement. How can you be so uninvolved in your minor child's life that you don't know this is happening?
@@POTUSBrown Yeah, I think all parents should go to jail/prison with their kids no matter what crime they commit kid kills someone, parents go to prison with them kid gets a DUI, parents also get a DUI kid robs someone, the parents were also involved kid is on house arrest, parents get an ankle monitor too. ........
Exactly. If there was clear evidence of abuse/neglect that would be different, but there was no evidence found of wrongdoing on the parents part. I agree that parents can sometimes be complicit in a crime, but not 100% of the time.
@@soph1645 do you think lying is gonna make it true? Because it’s not. In fact you’re just gonna complicate stuff by making things up. Stay out of it.
How can you actively say; “Oh yeah, because my daughter died, two innocent parents who had absolutely no clue their son would commit a mass shooting should go to prison too”. The logic is unimaginably flawed. The parents couldn’t predict a thing, and their firearms were kept under lock and key. Their son was likely in his room all the time and never opened up about his problems. Should we blame you that your daughter died too? No, obviously not. Neither should you blame other parents for things they had no control over.
do you regularly check under the floorboards of your house? how about behind walls? you have no idea where he was hiding them. even if it was in a easier to see place, the parents would need to be actively searching every square inch of his room every day. cmon now bro
Also he was clearly mentally unstable, his parents searching his room would of made it worse, it also would of antagonized him. It probably would have been considered child abuse
You have such a gift. Only YOU see the solution, the truth, the way forward We lowly people don't have the wisdom that you were born with. Life is so unfair!
@@sherolynmorrisey4741 Except that's just not true lots of the time. You seriously think only the USA has bad parents? But why does this almost only happen in the USA?
If the parents didn’t know a thing about it, why should they be charged?? Why can’t the shooter go through the consequences for his actions? I agree something must be done for the victims and their families, but throwing unassuming parents in jail who never gave their son a weapon in the first place isn’t an act of injustice.
The unfortunate difference here is that that Ethan crumblys mother bought and taught her child the gun he used well also being an absent parent they didn’t and I think that’s really what makes the difference in these two situations
@@GorillaWithACellphonebut at the same time, if bullying is the cause, then the whole faculty at the school should be held responsible along with the parents of the dead bullies because it could've all been prevented if they stopped the bullying
I don’t think the parents should be blamed for school shootings, except for in cases like where the parents provided guns to their kids. Even if you didn’t have your gun locked up properly, I don’t think you should be held accountable for your child committing mass murder. The argument that “It would have happened if the parents locked up their guns” is stupid. The kid 100% knew better. He chose to murder people. I understand if it was a small child that doesn’t really understand what a gun is. In that case it is the parent’s responsibility, but at a certain point, it’s entirely the child’s responsibility to not murder, no matter where he got the weapon.
Even if the gun was locked up, the kid still could’ve found a way to find the key, lockpick said storage area (safe, garage, room it’s held in, etc), or in the scenario for a safe guesses the passcode correctly or just opens it up anyway if he already knew it so I totally agree with you on the fact of just locking up guns isn’t always foolproof because there can be workarounds to that. Even if the kid has already been told not to access that area, it doesn’t automatically mean they’ll listen either and that’s something many people don’t understand. In the case of Ted Bundy, he was a guy who was raised in a good neighborhood with parents who had solid incomes and parents who took good care of him but that still didn’t stop him from becoming a serial killer so there can be exceptions.
I think they should be held liable only if there’s evidence that they missed multiple warning signs or essentially refused to properly parent their child.
Even then, some kids have guns, in rural areas mostly. If the kid was always responsible and had no behavioral problems until the very day they committed a crime- then the parents shouldn't be charged either.
I'm honestly so glad they aren't being held liable. Its absolutely horrifying and wrong that you would try to charge people for the crimes of another person, I don't care if that person is their child. This just proves to me that its not worth having children in this country, not if you're going to be held liable for their actions and crimes.
Finding someone criminally liable for the crimes of another is a slippery slope. I do not agree with criminal liability. Financial and civil, that's another matter- should the student be under 18.
If a parent has a child who then grows up and let’s say, rapes a person, should the parent be liable as well? Somewhere along the line this child was misguided and learned to wish to harm another person. So do we just blame the parents for the horrible decisions of their child? You did not spank them enough because it’s mostly illegal to spank a child now?? You did not live your child enough?? Blame it on the divorce? We cannot hold our parents responsible for their children’s actions if we have made it illegal to discipline our children!
To be honest this correct , the line of thinking blame the parents for the kids and their actions is not far from north Korean doctrine it's a slippery slope
It's kind of hard to believe that the parents didn't know because in high school, my mom was always coming in my room, using every excuse and even just to make the bed and now I know that she was just coming in there to make sure that nothing was going on and that I was staying out of trouble, which is a good thing. she was absolutely a great mom❤ she's passed away some years back but I can definitely say, I didn't always agree with her at the time but I understand a lot of what she did and why she did it, so the point is parents, just keep a close eye on your kids, even if they don't like it because one day, they'll appreciate it, me and my mom absolutely became best friends so I think your kids will thank you for keeping them on the right track and even if it takes them some years to appreciate it, they will.
My parents had no clue what was going on when I was in high school. I would be sexually harassed, Monday thru Friday, by any guy or girl, no matter the skin color, for three years. The teachers wouldn't do anything about it because they didn't care. So, I turned to drinking, sometimes at school, and no one cared or noticed.
this is the pinnacle of the boomer mentality. completely self-centered, completely clueless and unaware of the world outside of how it directly relates to them
So when a 16 year old steals my car and shoots me your telling me my family can sue the parents and hold them liable.all parents should be held liable when they're kid is out on the streets killing ppl.
Since the parents didn’t know They’re innocent The only punishment they will get is to be known as “Parents of a murderer” as well as to be separated from their child
Wrong. Parents can be held responsible if they knew their kid was going to break the law and/or harm someone, then didn’t take reasonable steps to prevent such harm. For example, if a kid is drinking underage, and the parents know that this kid not only drinks but has a car, then any reasonable parent would try to keep all alcohol away from him plus his car keys to make sure he never drives under the influence. Crumbley’s parents did the equivalent of buying this hypothetical kid a liter of vodka and putting his car keys in his hand. You don’t get to ignore such blatant risks and then act surprised when your minor son hurts himself or someone else.
I agree with this verdict. Unless the parent planned, coached, or otherwise knew about the shooting beforehand they should not be held criminally liable. They should be sued in civil court tho!
Parents should not be sued or jailed cause of what another family member did. Wouldn’t that be like parents being jailed cause their kid was speeding or trespassing or something like that?
From what I’ve seen of this case, the parents shouldn’t be jailed for what their son did since they didn’t know he had the guns. However, they should be held financially responsible. If it were a different situation in which the kid broke a window or damaged some kind of property, the parents would be held responsible.
Only one person in that family is responsible for that shooting and that is the shooter himself not the parents who most likely work outside the house and therefore aren't always able to look after their son
It would make sense if the kids were very young. I figure as the child's culpability reaches that of an adult due to maturing, the parent's culpability approaches zero.
Two totally different circumstances the parent in the first case bought the gun for him. The second parents had a gun in the house, but had no way of knowing he would use it to completely different things.
This was a very different case from the Oxford shooting. The parents of this boy didn’t blatantly ignore warning signs and buy their son a gun. The police agreed. It’s very hard to win a civil lawsuits, if there is no conviction in criminal court.
makes sense if firearm sellers or manufacturers can’t be found liable there’s no reason parents should be as well especially when there was no acknowledgment
I have a schizophrenic son whom I’ve gotten medicine for who I’ve disciplined who I’ve taken care of but if he’s mentally unstable and commits a crime why in the hell would I be responsible. What is going on in the world
Our parents gave us no sort of privacy when we were kids. We had our rooms searched on a monthly, sometimes weekly, basis. How a child can have access to such lethal artillery without parents knowing is completely beyond me due to the way I was raised.
Can't, this was a Civil Trial, Lawsuit for $$$$. Their Kid bought all Ammo he used and his Illegal Guns outside the home. For yrs Teachers, his Friends and Parents thought nothing wrong with him. The State/Govt Psychologists have determined 5 times he is Incompetent to stand Trial. So no Charges against the Shooter or the Parents.
Stop blaming parents for their child's actions, if 15 is old enough to know what you're doing, then it should be old enough to hold you solely responsible!!!🤦♂️
Who, the Parents? No Criminal Charges ever Filed against Parents or Shooter(Incompetent) And now Parents Won this Civil Case against them, not Liable. So Legally no way you could ever say the Parents cant own Guns. Not to Mention 2nd Amendment... You do know the shooter bought all his ammo and Illegal guns he used w/o his Parents knowing? It's not like he had access to Loaded Guns his Parents owned
No, the parent should not be held guilty when they weren’t involved at all leave these innocent parents alone. Their kid is the monster here not the parents. The kid is the one that had all the weapons and bombs.
The woman who spoke last, about if your kid gets access to your weapon, you’re repairable. Yes. He didn’t get his parents weapons to do this. So isn’t angry about the verdict then?? Because that’s not what happened here
The only reason they were not convicted is because they would have set a precedent for the law across America. Imagine how many moms would be locked up? The numbers would be staggering.
If this kid had an arsenal of guns and bombs how did the parents not know?? Those things don't just blend into the room. I cannot believe a jury basically found this kid not guilty for murdering 8 people, and that is what not mentally competent to stand trial means. All he has to do is pretend to be fine and he's out. His parents let this happen
Isn’t that what the case was about, a judge and jury who heard the full story found them not liable for their son’s actions. But I’m curious on why you think other, I’m not trying knock your comment, genuinely curious.
I get the anger if you lost your loved ones. But it's all anger, and that's all. I'm sure they couldn't have imagined that their kid could commit such a crime.
He’s been found not competent to stand trial 4 times in the past 5 years (2019, 2022, 2023, 2024) and his parents never picked up on the fact that he was severely mental ill or they knew and just chose not to intervene. Sounds like liability to me 🤷🏻♀️
Nope, thats not what Liable means. Besides even the Teachers all thought there was no issues, guns were all Locked up w/o ammo. He bought all his Ammo and guns outside the home
Man, I feel for the victims parent that they want accountability for their children but the killers parents had nothing to do with it. Hell, they were in the dark on their sons intentions the whole time.
So crazy to think how many people want to say “Punish the parents.” This is an example of why it’s a bad idea to do that. It’s only reasonable to punish them if either they told their son to do it or he said he’d do it and then them not calling the police.
Bad comparison. In the Crumbly case the parents GAVE him the gun and knew he was mentally unwell. In this case the parents did not know.
These parents SHOULD HAVE known, cuz then those murders would not have occurred.
Parenting their child is what they were SUPPOSED to do!!!
Maybe don’t give a kid a gun?
If a kid just snaps it isn’t necessarily bad parenting. Thats a lazy excuse to only blame the parents
@@BigDaddy52525 "Just snaps"??????
What a stupid thing to say. If you don't want to be a grown up, and a parent, don't have kids! Quit making EXCUSES !
It's pretty much impossible to be a real parent now days.
The only thing I could say is parents check your kids room.
As someone whos cousins dated men twice their age while they were still in high school, I can confirm parents you need to check your kids' rooms.
Then you'd be hounded by people on social media for not giving your kids privacy 😂
And their cell phones. Be a parent first, a friend second.
no, USA parents please check rooms, not all parents. rest of the world has respect morals and values. not hooligans like the USA
terrible advice respect their privacy
I'm conflicted. They didn't know about his guns, but they're still responsible for raising him. Then again, what parent has eyes behind their head?
Exactly. And if the son himself was found not fit for a trial, how on earth they would have ever thought that he would go out to kill!
@duallove6909 how did a minor get these weapons....how did the parents not find them....how did they not think something needed to be looked into if their son is that crazy....they were terrible parents and at the very least be charged with child endangerment. You cannot have a child be a stranger in your house
Literally exactly my stance on this.
Only Republicans blame the parents.
That’s what y’all said about Harambe, you goal post ppl
Crumbleys parents bought him the gun for his birthday, despite knowing about his depression and other mental health issues.
They had repeated requests and chances issued by the school that he needed mental help.
And the icing on the cake is the day of the shooting, they were called into his school because his plans were found out and asked to take him out and they balked and did nothing.
They did nothing when the evidence was so clear.
The one thing I will say is, I feel like the school shouldn’t have allowed him to stay, they should’ve called authorities and made him have an emergency mental health evaluation.
He never should’ve been allowed to return to class.
All I can say is..... America. A place where people think getting guns and ammunitions is a priority over healthcare especially mental healthcare.
Don't forget about the mother's, "next time don't get caught." comment.
@@DarkZerol At least its not literally anywhere else.
@@DarkZerol I completely agree with you. We as a nation need to change.
The terrifying thing is, I can't even differentiate between the different shootings anymore (I honestly don't even remember this one)... It's become just another day...😔
Exactly. Sad reality
Very true. I could not remember this shooting either. Just another day is true....
The sad thing is that when shock becomes the norm, people won't bate an eyelid at "yet another one" because it will be engrained as a part of normal life.
There hasn't been one in a while. However, casualties from drunk drivers or bad drivers in general, THAT had literally become "just another day" occurrence and NOBODY bats an eye!!!!!
@@AngeliqueThomas-ex7lh it’s very sad and disheartening, this is my hometown where i grew up and after the shooting happened i was afraid to go back to school and feared it every day thinking it was going to happen again, and due to what he did it took a part of my childhood as well as many others with us having to go through metal detectors to just get into school
The difference is the Krumbley's knew their kid had weapons, even bought some of them for him. These parents had no clue because he kept them hidden. As a parent myself, we can't possibly know everything our kids has up their sleeves. The teacher has taught enough kids to know they can be contingent & spontaneous. I feel pretty sure she hasn't always been aware of evey one of her stufents actions. There's a national problem now with bullying in schools right under their noses & teachers claim they're unaware until it's gone too far.
Statistically the rate of bullying is way down relative to the past
Also correction the crumbly kid was bought his only gun by his parents and this was despite all the issues they knew about
Where’s proof of the statistic though?
@@trevorbeaverfan cant post link on youtube so just look up “Bullying in School: Prevalence, Contributing Factors, and Interventions”
Also with guns, I wouldn't think the parents would even know why he has guns let alone kept it a secret. They would be surprised or even upset maybe but never expected this.
@@thatdamncrow9197that’s cause they pretend it’s down and ignore it
I’m glad the parents weren’t found guilty. That could open so many doors. What would stop them from arresting the siblings and the uncle and the neighbor next? That’s just way too risky. This case is COMPLETELY different from the Crumbly case.
the fact that thats the people who were raising them and keeping him in check is what is keeping them from putting literally any other family member in jail. but yes i agree this case is completely different
nah this trial was needed. you would think having a child who committed a massacre is extreme enough to warrant it. the world is what it is and it's the parents responsibility to define what their child is becoming to be.
It's not different at all from the Crumbly case.
It's not always the parents' fault. The Crumbly's, on the other hand, knew their son had problems, and the school tried to let them know.
Great point! Let's blame Grandma too? It was the kids fault. He did it. You don't start arresting all of the family making them at fault
Blame the shooter, not the parents. Everyone is always looking for someone to blame even when they had nothing to do with it. Sickening.
Nothing to do with it?! They're his parents! If anything they should at least be charged with child neglect and engagement. How can you be so uninvolved in your minor child's life that you don't know this is happening?
@@POTUSBrownthere is no proof that "being involved" would have had a different outcome. Kids hide terrible stuff from their parents all the time.
@@POTUSBrownby your logic it’s the parents fault for giving birth to their son.
@@munchkin9614 but not by law n for good reason
@@POTUSBrown Yeah, I think all parents should go to jail/prison with their kids no matter what crime they commit
kid kills someone, parents go to prison with them
kid gets a DUI, parents also get a DUI
kid robs someone, the parents were also involved
kid is on house arrest, parents get an ankle monitor too.
........
That's like sueing a fork because it made you fat. They didn't make the kids choices. He as an individual is responsible for his actions.
Exactly. If there was clear evidence of abuse/neglect that would be different, but there was no evidence found of wrongdoing on the parents part. I agree that parents can sometimes be complicit in a crime, but not 100% of the time.
And as a parent you have a responsibility to lock up all guns in your home, they didn’t.
@@soph1645they did actually
@@soph1645 do you think lying is gonna make it true? Because it’s not. In fact you’re just gonna complicate stuff by making things up. Stay out of it.
But if the fork was radioactive and killed me, I would sue the maker, no?
How can you actively say; “Oh yeah, because my daughter died, two innocent parents who had absolutely no clue their son would commit a mass shooting should go to prison too”. The logic is unimaginably flawed. The parents couldn’t predict a thing, and their firearms were kept under lock and key. Their son was likely in his room all the time and never opened up about his problems. Should we blame you that your daughter died too? No, obviously not. Neither should you blame other parents for things they had no control over.
How do you not notice that your kid has an arsenal AND bombs in YOUR house? Thats crazy
do you regularly check under the floorboards of your house? how about behind walls? you have no idea where he was hiding them. even if it was in a easier to see place, the parents would need to be actively searching every square inch of his room every day. cmon now bro
Also he was clearly mentally unstable, his parents searching his room would of made it worse, it also would of antagonized him. It probably would have been considered child abuse
You know your kid is mental and you don't supervise his actions? To me, that makes you liable for his actions.
Sounds like she wants the parents, grandparents, uncles, ants, and siblings to put in prison. She really needs medical help and therapy
You have such a gift. Only YOU see the solution, the truth, the way forward We lowly people don't have the wisdom that you were born with. Life is so unfair!
Lmao no. Just the parents who were so irresponsible they didn’t even notice their own guns going missing
@@kevinbarry3548 Life IS unfair kiddo. Get used to it, by avoid dying and being more responsible.
@@yourlocaltwink4551maybe because they didn’t use there guns like many other home owners sped.
Intentionally misleading comment.
Most of the time the parents did nothing they don't make the children murder people that's the kids choosing that path
Exactly, as you say the parents did nothing. They did not teach their child to respect others or the difference between right and wong.
@@sherolynmorrisey4741 Except that's just not true lots of the time.
You seriously think only the USA has bad parents? But why does this almost only happen in the USA?
@@zammmerjammer because in other countries we don't have guns in our homes......
@@adelemcg69 Exactly.
If the parents didn’t know a thing about it, why should they be charged?? Why can’t the shooter go through the consequences for his actions? I agree something must be done for the victims and their families, but throwing unassuming parents in jail who never gave their son a weapon in the first place isn’t an act of injustice.
The unfortunate difference here is that that Ethan crumblys mother bought and taught her child the gun he used well also being an absent parent they didn’t and I think that’s really what makes the difference in these two situations
This is truly a terrifying world we live in
Murder is not new
Why punish the parents for what the kid did?
Because at the end of the day, it’s their responsibility to keep their kid from turning into a murderer and keeping guns away from them
@@GorillaWithACellphonebut at the same time, if bullying is the cause, then the whole faculty at the school should be held responsible along with the parents of the dead bullies because it could've all been prevented if they stopped the bullying
@@GorillaWithACellphoneNah, they didn’t give him the guns nor know he had them. They’re not to blame for what the shooter did
Didnt the Cumbly parents also run from the cops to avoid being arrested?
So does this mean that moms of kids in the city with guns will be held responsible for their kids actions? Especially in a no gun city? No? Why not?
I don’t think the parents should be blamed for school shootings, except for in cases like where the parents provided guns to their kids. Even if you didn’t have your gun locked up properly, I don’t think you should be held accountable for your child committing mass murder. The argument that “It would have happened if the parents locked up their guns” is stupid. The kid 100% knew better. He chose to murder people. I understand if it was a small child that doesn’t really understand what a gun is. In that case it is the parent’s responsibility, but at a certain point, it’s entirely the child’s responsibility to not murder, no matter where he got the weapon.
Even if the gun was locked up, the kid still could’ve found a way to find the key, lockpick said storage area (safe, garage, room it’s held in, etc), or in the scenario for a safe guesses the passcode correctly or just opens it up anyway if he already knew it so I totally agree with you on the fact of just locking up guns isn’t always foolproof because there can be workarounds to that. Even if the kid has already been told not to access that area, it doesn’t automatically mean they’ll listen either and that’s something many people don’t understand.
In the case of Ted Bundy, he was a guy who was raised in a good neighborhood with parents who had solid incomes and parents who took good care of him but that still didn’t stop him from becoming a serial killer so there can be exceptions.
I think they should be held liable only if there’s evidence that they missed multiple warning signs or essentially refused to properly parent their child.
Even then, some kids have guns, in rural areas mostly. If the kid was always responsible and had no behavioral problems until the very day they committed a crime- then the parents shouldn't be charged either.
Which point though? For legal prosecution that "some point" needs to be defined.
I'm honestly so glad they aren't being held liable. Its absolutely horrifying and wrong that you would try to charge people for the crimes of another person, I don't care if that person is their child. This just proves to me that its not worth having children in this country, not if you're going to be held liable for their actions and crimes.
Finding someone criminally liable for the crimes of another is a slippery slope. I do not agree with criminal liability. Financial and civil, that's another matter- should the student be under 18.
Why stop at blaming the parents? Blame neighbors, relatives, friends, the mail carrier. Whatever you do, America, never blame the guns.
A gun can't think or act on its own. That's like blaming the car for bad driving.
How did the gun get there, he carried it didn't pick itself up@orbscorbs
@@orbscorbs Duh, that's why there should be stricter laws. We need to know the crazies don't have easy access to guns.
@@NoOneHere2Day California has the strictest gun laws in the country. How's that working out for them? Laws cannot enforce a sense of right and wrong,
@lawrencejohnson5389 so what you're saying is the gun was a victim it was force to kill without its power to stop🤡
The fault of the father can not be inherited by the son, neither the father can be accused of the wrong doings of his sons.
If a parent has a child who then grows up and let’s say, rapes a person, should the parent be liable as well? Somewhere along the line this child was misguided and learned to wish to harm another person. So do we just blame the parents for the horrible decisions of their child? You did not spank them enough because it’s mostly illegal to spank a child now?? You did not live your child enough?? Blame it on the divorce?
We cannot hold our parents responsible for their children’s actions if we have made it illegal to discipline our children!
To be honest this correct , the line of thinking blame the parents for the kids and their actions is not far from north Korean doctrine it's a slippery slope
Exactly! You can’t paddle your child anymore, but they want us to deal with their actions.
@@Anita-pp9dz it's becoming obvious where America is heading
The parents.
Don't need to be held liable if the kid broke into the safe installed guns.What could the parents do about it nothing
to all the people saying the parents should be held liable, but what if they tried their best hiding their firearms but their kids still found them?
But they didn't. That's why they were negligent
Trying you're best means nothing.
They said the kid had a secret arsenal of his own. It never said it was there gun.
@@AK-rx6hv It wasn't the parent's guns
They clearly did not
I’m starting to notice a pattern….💁🏻♂️💁🏻♂️💁🏻♂️
Juries starting to realise it could be themselves next and afraid to set a precedent 🙄🙄🙄🙄
It's kind of hard to believe that the parents didn't know because in high school, my mom was always coming in my room, using every excuse and even just to make the bed and now I know that she was just coming in there to make sure that nothing was going on and that I was staying out of trouble, which is a good thing. she was absolutely a great mom❤ she's passed away some years back but I can definitely say, I didn't always agree with her at the time but I understand a lot of what she did and why she did it, so the point is parents, just keep a close eye on your kids, even if they don't like it because one day, they'll appreciate it, me and my mom absolutely became best friends so I think your kids will thank you for keeping them on the right track and even if it takes them some years to appreciate it, they will.
Not every parent is the same that's your experience not everyone else
cod?
My parents had no clue what was going on when I was in high school. I would be sexually harassed, Monday thru Friday, by any guy or girl, no matter the skin color, for three years. The teachers wouldn't do anything about it because they didn't care. So, I turned to drinking, sometimes at school, and no one cared or noticed.
this is the pinnacle of the boomer mentality. completely self-centered, completely clueless and unaware of the world outside of how it directly relates to them
Prayers and hugs to all the victims and their families. No1 should ever have to go thru something so terrifying.
So when a 16 year old steals my car and shoots me your telling me my family can sue the parents and hold them liable.all parents should be held liable when they're kid is out on the streets killing ppl.
Amazing that the media didn’t cover this.
Actually, an American Idol contestant who was also a survivor there brought this up to the judges.
You shouldn't charge them they're not involved.
I think that's the point. They weren't involved enough with their child to find firearms and other instruments of destruction in their own home.
Wtf do the parents have to do with any of that?
Tis a dark day in America when shootings occur.
That's every day. And night.
The average is nearly one per day now in the US. 218 this year already.
Since the parents didn’t know
They’re innocent
The only punishment they will get is to be known as “Parents of a murderer” as well as to be separated from their child
The Parents of the most recent school shooting were charged two days ago
Parents shouldn’t be held responsible for their Kids behavior at the end of the day it’s our choices not out parents.
What about parents who buy and gift their kids guns? Like the Ethan Crumbly case.
@@_Just_Another_Guy- should parents who buy their kids a car also be responsible for any and all accidents their kid gets in?
@@RaiderNation816 And if the kid gets into a car accident and doesn't have auto insurance yet? Who's gonna pay?
@@_Just_Another_Guy It's the same logic as giving a psychopath or an idiot a deadly weapon.
Wrong. Parents can be held responsible if they knew their kid was going to break the law and/or harm someone, then didn’t take reasonable steps to prevent such harm.
For example, if a kid is drinking underage, and the parents know that this kid not only drinks but has a car, then any reasonable parent would try to keep all alcohol away from him plus his car keys to make sure he never drives under the influence. Crumbley’s parents did the equivalent of buying this hypothetical kid a liter of vodka and putting his car keys in his hand. You don’t get to ignore such blatant risks and then act surprised when your minor son hurts himself or someone else.
Punishment should fit the crime, if you weren't involved you're not responsible for your childs actions just because they're your child.
I agree with this verdict. Unless the parent planned, coached, or otherwise knew about the shooting beforehand they should not be held criminally liable. They should be sued in civil court tho!
Parents should not be sued or jailed cause of what another family member did. Wouldn’t that be like parents being jailed cause their kid was speeding or trespassing or something like that?
From what I’ve seen of this case, the parents shouldn’t be jailed for what their son did since they didn’t know he had the guns. However, they should be held financially responsible. If it were a different situation in which the kid broke a window or damaged some kind of property, the parents would be held responsible.
We do not charge individuals for others crimes.
Name and shame. I got two teenager kids, and i am all eyes, mind , time on them. You got kids? You make sure you do your job properly!
I mean how tf you don’t know that your son has an arsenal in his room?? Booms?? Really??
Only one person in that family is responsible for that shooting and that is the shooter himself not the parents who most likely work outside the house and therefore aren't always able to look after their son
This makes no sense. Shouldn't even be a case.
It would make sense if the kids were very young. I figure as the child's culpability reaches that of an adult due to maturing, the parent's culpability approaches zero.
For fricks sake!
@@dmatechreally?!
Two totally different circumstances the parent in the first case bought the gun for him. The second parents had a gun in the house, but had no way of knowing he would use it to completely different things.
Wow that teacher is a living miracle praying for all of the families and people involved
Why would anybody want a son?
Because someone has to rescue me from the terrifying spiders in my house..so I made sure to have a backup too! :)
This was a very different case from the Oxford shooting. The parents of this boy didn’t blatantly ignore warning signs and buy their son a gun. The police agreed. It’s very hard to win a civil lawsuits, if there is no conviction in criminal court.
Bad parenting
It’s ridiculous any parent is going to be charged for what their child does. The system just wants to go after anyone
Really…
@@johnnythunder1269 yes and obviously the jury agreed with me.
@@Matthew2077 🙄
The case that doesn't get enough coverage.
This is a bad comparison
The crumbly parent's case became crumbly when the courts found out they bought and gave the shooter the gun that he used
Where does a teen get money to buy guns and the parents not knowing about the guns?
He bought all the Bullets and Shells online. Guns? You can go almost anywhere in the US and Buy Illegal Stolen Guns.
makes sense if firearm sellers or manufacturers can’t be found liable there’s no reason parents should be as well especially when there was no acknowledgment
Anyone competent enough to plan this and hide it from their parents is competent enough to stand trial. What ended up being his fate?
Parents will get sued if they buy a weapon for their kid.
any decent parent would have known. travesty.
I have a schizophrenic son whom I’ve gotten medicine for who I’ve disciplined who I’ve taken care of but if he’s mentally unstable and commits a crime why in the hell would I be responsible. What is going on in the world
Our parents gave us no sort of privacy when we were kids. We had our rooms searched on a monthly, sometimes weekly, basis. How a child can have access to such lethal artillery without parents knowing is completely beyond me due to the way I was raised.
They should be in jail !
Can't, this was a Civil Trial, Lawsuit for $$$$. Their Kid bought all Ammo he used and his Illegal Guns outside the home. For yrs Teachers, his Friends and Parents thought nothing wrong with him. The State/Govt Psychologists have determined 5 times he is Incompetent to stand Trial. So no Charges against the Shooter or the Parents.
what a joke
What about your drug dealing kid, or street racing kid should we go after those parents as well?? No one want to know what caused this!!! Insane!!!
they didnt know, but its their job to know.
6 years ago?
Our judicial system is massively inefficient
xD
I can just imagine a bunch of sly acting people taking forever to do something so basic.
Mentally incompetent to stand trial but he was walking around singing Another One Bites the Dust? They got that WAY wrong!😡
How is it the parents fault for their kids going crazy
Stop blaming parents for their child's actions, if 15 is old enough to know what you're doing, then it should be old enough to hold you solely responsible!!!🤦♂️
The parent is not guilty of anything other than owning a gun.
My cousin had classmates die in that attack. See or hear something, say something.
Oh gosh... 🤦🏻♂️
I find this so dumb parents shouldn’t be charge for this kids wrong doing
I agree with you here my friend l love the art of Aizen tho have nice day ❤
If he was 18 then parents would never be legally charged
They should at minimum not be allowed guns, ever.
Should you suffer consequences if your parents commit a crime.
Who, the Parents? No Criminal Charges ever Filed against Parents or Shooter(Incompetent) And now Parents Won this Civil Case against them, not Liable. So Legally no way you could ever say the Parents cant own Guns. Not to Mention 2nd Amendment... You do know the shooter bought all his ammo and Illegal guns he used w/o his Parents knowing? It's not like he had access to Loaded Guns his Parents owned
Imo this is what happens when you think its cool to teach your kid how to use a gun.
A parent should not pay the price for someone else’s choices if they had no knowledge of the situation period
Deepest condolences to the grieving families 🙏🌈
That teacher wants parents held criminally for the crimes of their children. She should be careful about getting what she wishes for.
Praise God we don't cant control our teenagers when they aren't with us God comfort the families
No, the parent should not be held guilty when they weren’t involved at all leave these innocent parents alone. Their kid is the monster here not the parents. The kid is the one that had all the weapons and bombs.
I’m sorry to hear what happened to your loved ones and family members but I think it’s wrong To sue the parents because what their son did
Anyone not keeping their guns locked and secured from everyone else should be charged and convicted.
1:52 If a jury says you're innocent, you're typically innocent. That's not something to be disappointed about.
What good does sending the parents to jail serve? Everyone on here saying that’s justified is wrong and just wants someone else to blame.
The woman who spoke last, about if your kid gets access to your weapon, you’re repairable. Yes. He didn’t get his parents weapons to do this. So isn’t angry about the verdict then?? Because that’s not what happened here
The only reason they were not convicted is because they would have set a precedent for the law across America. Imagine how many moms would be locked up? The numbers would be staggering.
Glad they're not getting arrested
If this kid had an arsenal of guns and bombs how did the parents not know?? Those things don't just blend into the room. I cannot believe a jury basically found this kid not guilty for murdering 8 people, and that is what not mentally competent to stand trial means. All he has to do is pretend to be fine and he's out. His parents let this happen
Isn’t that what the case was about, a judge and jury who heard the full story found them not liable for their son’s actions. But I’m curious on why you think other, I’m not trying knock your comment, genuinely curious.
Inept prosecutor and DA, were comparing apples with oranges.
The jury isn't gonna get peace for a long long time
it was the jury who decided
Jury decided 😂 judge had nothing to do with it
Did they say not mental to stand trial but he has the mentally built exposed in the room
I get the anger if you lost your loved ones. But it's all anger, and that's all.
I'm sure they couldn't have imagined that their kid could commit such a crime.
He’s been found not competent to stand trial 4 times in the past 5 years (2019, 2022, 2023, 2024) and his parents never picked up on the fact that he was severely mental ill or they knew and just chose not to intervene. Sounds like liability to me 🤷🏻♀️
THAT IS NOT WHAT LIABLE MEANS. NICE TRY!
Being mentally ill doesn't necessarily mean you're dangerous.
Blah blah blah get off tik tok and social media he was probably normal until the trans era came out
@@reh3884 you're right, but it does mean that you need extra help. His parents failed to resource.
Nope, thats not what Liable means. Besides even the Teachers all thought there was no issues, guns were all Locked up w/o ammo. He bought all his Ammo and guns outside the home
Man, I feel for the victims parent that they want accountability for their children but the killers parents had nothing to do with it. Hell, they were in the dark on their sons intentions the whole time.
So crazy to think how many people want to say “Punish the parents.” This is an example of why it’s a bad idea to do that. It’s only reasonable to punish them if either they told their son to do it or he said he’d do it and then them not calling the police.
And it took the court 6 years to come to that decision wtf.