Parents of School Shooter Found Not Liable in 2018 Attack

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  • @Haarschmuckfachgeschafttadpole
    @Haarschmuckfachgeschafttadpole 2 месяца назад +1810

    Bad comparison. In the Crumbly case the parents GAVE him the gun and knew he was mentally unwell. In this case the parents did not know.

    • @stephanielight4161
      @stephanielight4161 2 месяца назад +44

      These parents SHOULD HAVE known, cuz then those murders would not have occurred.
      Parenting their child is what they were SUPPOSED to do!!!

    • @GamingWimpGW360
      @GamingWimpGW360 2 месяца назад +18

      Maybe don’t give a kid a gun?

    • @BigDaddy52525
      @BigDaddy52525 2 месяца назад +70

      If a kid just snaps it isn’t necessarily bad parenting. Thats a lazy excuse to only blame the parents

    • @stephanielight4161
      @stephanielight4161 2 месяца назад +25

      @@BigDaddy52525 "Just snaps"??????
      What a stupid thing to say. If you don't want to be a grown up, and a parent, don't have kids! Quit making EXCUSES !

    • @timbango2090
      @timbango2090 2 месяца назад +8

      It's pretty much impossible to be a real parent now days.

  • @jahmalonbethel1307
    @jahmalonbethel1307 2 месяца назад +1520

    The only thing I could say is parents check your kids room.

    • @RefreshingShamrock
      @RefreshingShamrock 2 месяца назад +39

      As someone whos cousins dated men twice their age while they were still in high school, I can confirm parents you need to check your kids' rooms.

    • @shadowhalk225
      @shadowhalk225 2 месяца назад +39

      Then you'd be hounded by people on social media for not giving your kids privacy 😂

    • @Sumermak
      @Sumermak 2 месяца назад +15

      And their cell phones. Be a parent first, a friend second.

    • @Ghost-tx4ft
      @Ghost-tx4ft 2 месяца назад +9

      no, USA parents please check rooms, not all parents. rest of the world has respect morals and values. not hooligans like the USA

    • @bigbossarchie
      @bigbossarchie 2 месяца назад +14

      terrible advice respect their privacy

  • @knuclear200x
    @knuclear200x 2 месяца назад +1073

    I'm conflicted. They didn't know about his guns, but they're still responsible for raising him. Then again, what parent has eyes behind their head?

    • @duallove6909
      @duallove6909 2 месяца назад +94

      Exactly. And if the son himself was found not fit for a trial, how on earth they would have ever thought that he would go out to kill!

    • @jims7773
      @jims7773 2 месяца назад +26

      @duallove6909 how did a minor get these weapons....how did the parents not find them....how did they not think something needed to be looked into if their son is that crazy....they were terrible parents and at the very least be charged with child endangerment. You cannot have a child be a stranger in your house

    • @J_NoNamesLeft73
      @J_NoNamesLeft73 2 месяца назад +8

      Literally exactly my stance on this.

    • @JesusRodriguez-kd8es
      @JesusRodriguez-kd8es 2 месяца назад

      Only Republicans blame the parents.

    • @JohnDoe-vo6rf
      @JohnDoe-vo6rf 2 месяца назад

      That’s what y’all said about Harambe, you goal post ppl

  • @tbucket8180
    @tbucket8180 2 месяца назад +229

    Crumbleys parents bought him the gun for his birthday, despite knowing about his depression and other mental health issues.
    They had repeated requests and chances issued by the school that he needed mental help.
    And the icing on the cake is the day of the shooting, they were called into his school because his plans were found out and asked to take him out and they balked and did nothing.
    They did nothing when the evidence was so clear.
    The one thing I will say is, I feel like the school shouldn’t have allowed him to stay, they should’ve called authorities and made him have an emergency mental health evaluation.
    He never should’ve been allowed to return to class.

    • @DarkZerol
      @DarkZerol 2 месяца назад +14

      All I can say is..... America. A place where people think getting guns and ammunitions is a priority over healthcare especially mental healthcare.

    • @conscientiousobserver8772
      @conscientiousobserver8772 2 месяца назад +5

      Don't forget about the mother's, "next time don't get caught." comment.

    • @Gorgonzeye
      @Gorgonzeye 2 месяца назад +1

      @@DarkZerol At least its not literally anywhere else.

    • @johnnythunder1269
      @johnnythunder1269 Месяц назад +1

      @@DarkZerol I completely agree with you. We as a nation need to change.

  • @chip7486
    @chip7486 2 месяца назад +355

    The terrifying thing is, I can't even differentiate between the different shootings anymore (I honestly don't even remember this one)... It's become just another day...😔

    • @AngeliqueThomas-ex7lh
      @AngeliqueThomas-ex7lh 2 месяца назад +18

      Exactly. Sad reality

    • @leslieleslie6590
      @leslieleslie6590 2 месяца назад +10

      Very true. I could not remember this shooting either. Just another day is true....

    • @skycloud4802
      @skycloud4802 2 месяца назад +11

      The sad thing is that when shock becomes the norm, people won't bate an eyelid at "yet another one" because it will be engrained as a part of normal life.

    • @thefox47545
      @thefox47545 2 месяца назад +1

      There hasn't been one in a while. However, casualties from drunk drivers or bad drivers in general, THAT had literally become "just another day" occurrence and NOBODY bats an eye!!!!!

    • @htx_madi7077
      @htx_madi7077 2 месяца назад +1

      @@AngeliqueThomas-ex7lh it’s very sad and disheartening, this is my hometown where i grew up and after the shooting happened i was afraid to go back to school and feared it every day thinking it was going to happen again, and due to what he did it took a part of my childhood as well as many others with us having to go through metal detectors to just get into school

  • @lwray0311
    @lwray0311 2 месяца назад +227

    The difference is the Krumbley's knew their kid had weapons, even bought some of them for him. These parents had no clue because he kept them hidden. As a parent myself, we can't possibly know everything our kids has up their sleeves. The teacher has taught enough kids to know they can be contingent & spontaneous. I feel pretty sure she hasn't always been aware of evey one of her stufents actions. There's a national problem now with bullying in schools right under their noses & teachers claim they're unaware until it's gone too far.

    • @thatdamncrow9197
      @thatdamncrow9197 2 месяца назад +8

      Statistically the rate of bullying is way down relative to the past
      Also correction the crumbly kid was bought his only gun by his parents and this was despite all the issues they knew about

    • @trevorbeaverfan
      @trevorbeaverfan 2 месяца назад

      Where’s proof of the statistic though?

    • @thatdamncrow9197
      @thatdamncrow9197 2 месяца назад

      @@trevorbeaverfan cant post link on youtube so just look up “Bullying in School: Prevalence, Contributing Factors, and Interventions”

    • @haulinheavy540
      @haulinheavy540 2 месяца назад +2

      Also with guns, I wouldn't think the parents would even know why he has guns let alone kept it a secret. They would be surprised or even upset maybe but never expected this.

    • @nemesisoftheabyss3816
      @nemesisoftheabyss3816 2 месяца назад

      @@thatdamncrow9197that’s cause they pretend it’s down and ignore it

  • @Bob.Mariii
    @Bob.Mariii 2 месяца назад +415

    I’m glad the parents weren’t found guilty. That could open so many doors. What would stop them from arresting the siblings and the uncle and the neighbor next? That’s just way too risky. This case is COMPLETELY different from the Crumbly case.

    • @user-fc2xk3uv8y
      @user-fc2xk3uv8y 2 месяца назад +16

      the fact that thats the people who were raising them and keeping him in check is what is keeping them from putting literally any other family member in jail. but yes i agree this case is completely different

    • @agps4418
      @agps4418 2 месяца назад +2

      nah this trial was needed. you would think having a child who committed a massacre is extreme enough to warrant it. the world is what it is and it's the parents responsibility to define what their child is becoming to be.

    • @carolr7823
      @carolr7823 2 месяца назад +5

      It's not different at all from the Crumbly case.

    • @hannahallen3622
      @hannahallen3622 2 месяца назад +14

      It's not always the parents' fault. The Crumbly's, on the other hand, knew their son had problems, and the school tried to let them know.

    • @cdrad7770
      @cdrad7770 2 месяца назад +18

      Great point! Let's blame Grandma too? It was the kids fault. He did it. You don't start arresting all of the family making them at fault

  • @DrunkMetalHead4
    @DrunkMetalHead4 2 месяца назад +272

    Blame the shooter, not the parents. Everyone is always looking for someone to blame even when they had nothing to do with it. Sickening.

    • @POTUSBrown
      @POTUSBrown 2 месяца назад +34

      Nothing to do with it?! They're his parents! If anything they should at least be charged with child neglect and engagement. How can you be so uninvolved in your minor child's life that you don't know this is happening?

    • @TheRealWinser
      @TheRealWinser 2 месяца назад +39

      ​@@POTUSBrownthere is no proof that "being involved" would have had a different outcome. Kids hide terrible stuff from their parents all the time.

    • @munchkin9614
      @munchkin9614 2 месяца назад +14

      @@POTUSBrownby your logic it’s the parents fault for giving birth to their son.

    • @dolores8610
      @dolores8610 2 месяца назад

      @@munchkin9614 but not by law n for good reason

    • @CorteX87
      @CorteX87 2 месяца назад +3

      @@POTUSBrown Yeah, I think all parents should go to jail/prison with their kids no matter what crime they commit
      kid kills someone, parents go to prison with them
      kid gets a DUI, parents also get a DUI
      kid robs someone, the parents were also involved
      kid is on house arrest, parents get an ankle monitor too.
      ........

  • @MccabbeRunescape
    @MccabbeRunescape 2 месяца назад +103

    That's like sueing a fork because it made you fat. They didn't make the kids choices. He as an individual is responsible for his actions.

    • @ferninthehouse
      @ferninthehouse 2 месяца назад +6

      Exactly. If there was clear evidence of abuse/neglect that would be different, but there was no evidence found of wrongdoing on the parents part. I agree that parents can sometimes be complicit in a crime, but not 100% of the time.

    • @soph1645
      @soph1645 2 месяца назад +2

      And as a parent you have a responsibility to lock up all guns in your home, they didn’t.

    • @monstrzs
      @monstrzs 2 месяца назад +2

      @@soph1645they did actually

    • @spray_cheese
      @spray_cheese 2 месяца назад

      ⁠@@soph1645 do you think lying is gonna make it true? Because it’s not. In fact you’re just gonna complicate stuff by making things up. Stay out of it.

    • @GuardianTiger
      @GuardianTiger 2 месяца назад

      But if the fork was radioactive and killed me, I would sue the maker, no?

  • @BiggleVonDoofsnortIV
    @BiggleVonDoofsnortIV 2 месяца назад +25

    How can you actively say; “Oh yeah, because my daughter died, two innocent parents who had absolutely no clue their son would commit a mass shooting should go to prison too”. The logic is unimaginably flawed. The parents couldn’t predict a thing, and their firearms were kept under lock and key. Their son was likely in his room all the time and never opened up about his problems. Should we blame you that your daughter died too? No, obviously not. Neither should you blame other parents for things they had no control over.

  • @alejandrogiha7583
    @alejandrogiha7583 2 месяца назад +30

    How do you not notice that your kid has an arsenal AND bombs in YOUR house? Thats crazy

    • @N30NCVLT
      @N30NCVLT 2 месяца назад +5

      do you regularly check under the floorboards of your house? how about behind walls? you have no idea where he was hiding them. even if it was in a easier to see place, the parents would need to be actively searching every square inch of his room every day. cmon now bro

    • @KaiK-s9j
      @KaiK-s9j 2 месяца назад +1

      Also he was clearly mentally unstable, his parents searching his room would of made it worse, it also would of antagonized him. It probably would have been considered child abuse

  • @Aluzky.Irezumi
    @Aluzky.Irezumi Месяц назад +5

    You know your kid is mental and you don't supervise his actions? To me, that makes you liable for his actions.

  • @Sparta950
    @Sparta950 2 месяца назад +249

    Sounds like she wants the parents, grandparents, uncles, ants, and siblings to put in prison. She really needs medical help and therapy

    • @kevinbarry3548
      @kevinbarry3548 2 месяца назад +7

      You have such a gift. Only YOU see the solution, the truth, the way forward We lowly people don't have the wisdom that you were born with. Life is so unfair!

    • @yourlocaltwink4551
      @yourlocaltwink4551 2 месяца назад +14

      Lmao no. Just the parents who were so irresponsible they didn’t even notice their own guns going missing

    • @cardinmalone4974
      @cardinmalone4974 2 месяца назад +3

      @@kevinbarry3548 Life IS unfair kiddo. Get used to it, by avoid dying and being more responsible.

    • @Eriderdaily
      @Eriderdaily 2 месяца назад +4

      @@yourlocaltwink4551maybe because they didn’t use there guns like many other home owners sped.

    • @birdstwin1186
      @birdstwin1186 2 месяца назад +1

      Intentionally misleading comment.

  • @Alertpigss2.0
    @Alertpigss2.0 2 месяца назад +122

    Most of the time the parents did nothing they don't make the children murder people that's the kids choosing that path

    • @sherolynmorrisey4741
      @sherolynmorrisey4741 2 месяца назад +10

      Exactly, as you say the parents did nothing. They did not teach their child to respect others or the difference between right and wong.

    • @zammmerjammer
      @zammmerjammer 2 месяца назад +4

      ​@@sherolynmorrisey4741 Except that's just not true lots of the time.
      You seriously think only the USA has bad parents? But why does this almost only happen in the USA?

    • @adelemcg69
      @adelemcg69 2 месяца назад +10

      @@zammmerjammer because in other countries we don't have guns in our homes......

    • @oldbatwit5102
      @oldbatwit5102 2 месяца назад +1

      @@adelemcg69 Exactly.

  • @allys744
    @allys744 2 месяца назад +9

    If the parents didn’t know a thing about it, why should they be charged?? Why can’t the shooter go through the consequences for his actions? I agree something must be done for the victims and their families, but throwing unassuming parents in jail who never gave their son a weapon in the first place isn’t an act of injustice.

  • @imakeplaylists159
    @imakeplaylists159 2 месяца назад +48

    The unfortunate difference here is that that Ethan crumblys mother bought and taught her child the gun he used well also being an absent parent they didn’t and I think that’s really what makes the difference in these two situations

  • @davidgriego549
    @davidgriego549 2 месяца назад +17

    This is truly a terrifying world we live in

  • @MusicLuv80
    @MusicLuv80 2 месяца назад +11

    Why punish the parents for what the kid did?

    • @GorillaWithACellphone
      @GorillaWithACellphone 2 месяца назад +6

      Because at the end of the day, it’s their responsibility to keep their kid from turning into a murderer and keeping guns away from them

    • @VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer
      @VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer Месяц назад

      ​@@GorillaWithACellphonebut at the same time, if bullying is the cause, then the whole faculty at the school should be held responsible along with the parents of the dead bullies because it could've all been prevented if they stopped the bullying

    • @Drippyshxt_69
      @Drippyshxt_69 Месяц назад

      @@GorillaWithACellphoneNah, they didn’t give him the guns nor know he had them. They’re not to blame for what the shooter did

  • @ZeldaAndIkeLove
    @ZeldaAndIkeLove 2 месяца назад +7

    Didnt the Cumbly parents also run from the cops to avoid being arrested?

  • @movieshorttalks7963
    @movieshorttalks7963 2 месяца назад +4

    So does this mean that moms of kids in the city with guns will be held responsible for their kids actions? Especially in a no gun city? No? Why not?

  • @Stumme-40203
    @Stumme-40203 2 месяца назад +24

    I don’t think the parents should be blamed for school shootings, except for in cases like where the parents provided guns to their kids. Even if you didn’t have your gun locked up properly, I don’t think you should be held accountable for your child committing mass murder. The argument that “It would have happened if the parents locked up their guns” is stupid. The kid 100% knew better. He chose to murder people. I understand if it was a small child that doesn’t really understand what a gun is. In that case it is the parent’s responsibility, but at a certain point, it’s entirely the child’s responsibility to not murder, no matter where he got the weapon.

    • @lakerskid2013
      @lakerskid2013 2 месяца назад +4

      Even if the gun was locked up, the kid still could’ve found a way to find the key, lockpick said storage area (safe, garage, room it’s held in, etc), or in the scenario for a safe guesses the passcode correctly or just opens it up anyway if he already knew it so I totally agree with you on the fact of just locking up guns isn’t always foolproof because there can be workarounds to that. Even if the kid has already been told not to access that area, it doesn’t automatically mean they’ll listen either and that’s something many people don’t understand.
      In the case of Ted Bundy, he was a guy who was raised in a good neighborhood with parents who had solid incomes and parents who took good care of him but that still didn’t stop him from becoming a serial killer so there can be exceptions.

    • @GorillaWithACellphone
      @GorillaWithACellphone 2 месяца назад +6

      I think they should be held liable only if there’s evidence that they missed multiple warning signs or essentially refused to properly parent their child.

    • @kelleygreengrass
      @kelleygreengrass 2 месяца назад

      Even then, some kids have guns, in rural areas mostly. If the kid was always responsible and had no behavioral problems until the very day they committed a crime- then the parents shouldn't be charged either.

    • @Gannon2145
      @Gannon2145 Месяц назад

      Which point though? For legal prosecution that "some point" needs to be defined.

  • @Rubysinndel
    @Rubysinndel Месяц назад +3

    I'm honestly so glad they aren't being held liable. Its absolutely horrifying and wrong that you would try to charge people for the crimes of another person, I don't care if that person is their child. This just proves to me that its not worth having children in this country, not if you're going to be held liable for their actions and crimes.

  • @Cucumberflavoredmustard
    @Cucumberflavoredmustard 2 месяца назад +5

    Finding someone criminally liable for the crimes of another is a slippery slope. I do not agree with criminal liability. Financial and civil, that's another matter- should the student be under 18.

  • @Jessie-J
    @Jessie-J 2 месяца назад +93

    Why stop at blaming the parents? Blame neighbors, relatives, friends, the mail carrier. Whatever you do, America, never blame the guns.

    • @orbscorbs
      @orbscorbs 2 месяца назад +31

      A gun can't think or act on its own. That's like blaming the car for bad driving.

    • @lawrencejohnson5389
      @lawrencejohnson5389 2 месяца назад +8

      How did the gun get there, he carried it didn't pick itself up​@orbscorbs

    • @NoOneHere2Day
      @NoOneHere2Day 2 месяца назад +23

      @@orbscorbs Duh, that's why there should be stricter laws. We need to know the crazies don't have easy access to guns.

    • @orbscorbs
      @orbscorbs 2 месяца назад +10

      @@NoOneHere2Day California has the strictest gun laws in the country. How's that working out for them? Laws cannot enforce a sense of right and wrong,

    • @scottthomas4334
      @scottthomas4334 2 месяца назад

      ​@lawrencejohnson5389 so what you're saying is the gun was a victim it was force to kill without its power to stop🤡

  • @Kitxne
    @Kitxne 2 месяца назад +3

    The fault of the father can not be inherited by the son, neither the father can be accused of the wrong doings of his sons.

  • @Jeff1Veron
    @Jeff1Veron 2 месяца назад +12

    If a parent has a child who then grows up and let’s say, rapes a person, should the parent be liable as well? Somewhere along the line this child was misguided and learned to wish to harm another person. So do we just blame the parents for the horrible decisions of their child? You did not spank them enough because it’s mostly illegal to spank a child now?? You did not live your child enough?? Blame it on the divorce?
    We cannot hold our parents responsible for their children’s actions if we have made it illegal to discipline our children!

  • @blackswan5034
    @blackswan5034 2 месяца назад +42

    To be honest this correct , the line of thinking blame the parents for the kids and their actions is not far from north Korean doctrine it's a slippery slope

    • @Anita-pp9dz
      @Anita-pp9dz 2 месяца назад +3

      Exactly! You can’t paddle your child anymore, but they want us to deal with their actions.

    • @blackswan5034
      @blackswan5034 2 месяца назад +1

      @@Anita-pp9dz it's becoming obvious where America is heading

  • @alexwhitman3962
    @alexwhitman3962 2 месяца назад +6

    The parents.
    Don't need to be held liable if the kid broke into the safe installed guns.What could the parents do about it nothing

  • @cynthiav5580
    @cynthiav5580 2 месяца назад +60

    to all the people saying the parents should be held liable, but what if they tried their best hiding their firearms but their kids still found them?

    • @AK-rx6hv
      @AK-rx6hv 2 месяца назад +18

      But they didn't. That's why they were negligent

    • @ChaseAcheck408
      @ChaseAcheck408 2 месяца назад +4

      Trying you're best means nothing.

    • @CASH-THE-NERD
      @CASH-THE-NERD 2 месяца назад +13

      They said the kid had a secret arsenal of his own. It never said it was there gun.

    • @zanetrain1651
      @zanetrain1651 2 месяца назад +4

      @@AK-rx6hv It wasn't the parent's guns

    • @sharpasacueball
      @sharpasacueball 2 месяца назад

      They clearly did not

  • @aikarin6280
    @aikarin6280 2 месяца назад +3

    I’m starting to notice a pattern….💁🏻‍♂️💁🏻‍♂️💁🏻‍♂️

  • @trixied7327
    @trixied7327 2 месяца назад +4

    Juries starting to realise it could be themselves next and afraid to set a precedent 🙄🙄🙄🙄

  • @itsdefinitelytrue7600
    @itsdefinitelytrue7600 2 месяца назад +29

    It's kind of hard to believe that the parents didn't know because in high school, my mom was always coming in my room, using every excuse and even just to make the bed and now I know that she was just coming in there to make sure that nothing was going on and that I was staying out of trouble, which is a good thing. she was absolutely a great mom❤ she's passed away some years back but I can definitely say, I didn't always agree with her at the time but I understand a lot of what she did and why she did it, so the point is parents, just keep a close eye on your kids, even if they don't like it because one day, they'll appreciate it, me and my mom absolutely became best friends so I think your kids will thank you for keeping them on the right track and even if it takes them some years to appreciate it, they will.

    • @garvindean6443
      @garvindean6443 2 месяца назад +13

      Not every parent is the same that's your experience not everyone else

    • @randomrazr
      @randomrazr 2 месяца назад

      cod?

    • @jamijenkins3507
      @jamijenkins3507 2 месяца назад +6

      My parents had no clue what was going on when I was in high school. I would be sexually harassed, Monday thru Friday, by any guy or girl, no matter the skin color, for three years. The teachers wouldn't do anything about it because they didn't care. So, I turned to drinking, sometimes at school, and no one cared or noticed.

    • @aymbaut9361
      @aymbaut9361 2 месяца назад

      this is the pinnacle of the boomer mentality. completely self-centered, completely clueless and unaware of the world outside of how it directly relates to them

  • @kimberlyreed461
    @kimberlyreed461 2 месяца назад

    Prayers and hugs to all the victims and their families. No1 should ever have to go thru something so terrifying.

  • @jakea511
    @jakea511 2 месяца назад +1

    So when a 16 year old steals my car and shoots me your telling me my family can sue the parents and hold them liable.all parents should be held liable when they're kid is out on the streets killing ppl.

  • @dudemorris7769
    @dudemorris7769 Месяц назад +1

    Amazing that the media didn’t cover this.

    • @chalexen2862
      @chalexen2862 Месяц назад

      Actually, an American Idol contestant who was also a survivor there brought this up to the judges.

  • @marcoeugenio1021
    @marcoeugenio1021 2 месяца назад +23

    You shouldn't charge them they're not involved.

    • @Manja500
      @Manja500 2 месяца назад +5

      I think that's the point. They weren't involved enough with their child to find firearms and other instruments of destruction in their own home.

  • @gumpoppers
    @gumpoppers 2 месяца назад +3

    Wtf do the parents have to do with any of that?

  • @FDR-ww6xz
    @FDR-ww6xz 2 месяца назад +16

    Tis a dark day in America when shootings occur.

    • @orbscorbs
      @orbscorbs 2 месяца назад +19

      That's every day. And night.

    • @declanmccormack7866
      @declanmccormack7866 Месяц назад

      The average is nearly one per day now in the US. 218 this year already.

  • @thephoenixdevil4817
    @thephoenixdevil4817 2 месяца назад +1

    Since the parents didn’t know
    They’re innocent
    The only punishment they will get is to be known as “Parents of a murderer” as well as to be separated from their child

  • @Nightman672
    @Nightman672 Месяц назад

    The Parents of the most recent school shooting were charged two days ago

  • @RobertWWD
    @RobertWWD 2 месяца назад +52

    Parents shouldn’t be held responsible for their Kids behavior at the end of the day it’s our choices not out parents.

    • @_Just_Another_Guy
      @_Just_Another_Guy 2 месяца назад +14

      What about parents who buy and gift their kids guns? Like the Ethan Crumbly case.

    • @RaiderNation816
      @RaiderNation816 2 месяца назад +2

      @@_Just_Another_Guy- should parents who buy their kids a car also be responsible for any and all accidents their kid gets in?

    • @_Just_Another_Guy
      @_Just_Another_Guy 2 месяца назад +6

      @@RaiderNation816 And if the kid gets into a car accident and doesn't have auto insurance yet? Who's gonna pay?

    • @donovanlee8461
      @donovanlee8461 2 месяца назад

      ​@@_Just_Another_Guy It's the same logic as giving a psychopath or an idiot a deadly weapon.

    • @sennataylor592
      @sennataylor592 2 месяца назад +5

      Wrong. Parents can be held responsible if they knew their kid was going to break the law and/or harm someone, then didn’t take reasonable steps to prevent such harm.
      For example, if a kid is drinking underage, and the parents know that this kid not only drinks but has a car, then any reasonable parent would try to keep all alcohol away from him plus his car keys to make sure he never drives under the influence. Crumbley’s parents did the equivalent of buying this hypothetical kid a liter of vodka and putting his car keys in his hand. You don’t get to ignore such blatant risks and then act surprised when your minor son hurts himself or someone else.

  • @AndrewClark-zd3iu
    @AndrewClark-zd3iu 2 месяца назад +1

    Punishment should fit the crime, if you weren't involved you're not responsible for your childs actions just because they're your child.

  • @lennysmith8851
    @lennysmith8851 2 месяца назад +1

    I agree with this verdict. Unless the parent planned, coached, or otherwise knew about the shooting beforehand they should not be held criminally liable. They should be sued in civil court tho!

  • @nicholasgeorge4156
    @nicholasgeorge4156 2 месяца назад +18

    Parents should not be sued or jailed cause of what another family member did. Wouldn’t that be like parents being jailed cause their kid was speeding or trespassing or something like that?

    • @davidhiggins2804
      @davidhiggins2804 2 месяца назад +4

      From what I’ve seen of this case, the parents shouldn’t be jailed for what their son did since they didn’t know he had the guns. However, they should be held financially responsible. If it were a different situation in which the kid broke a window or damaged some kind of property, the parents would be held responsible.

  • @terintiaflavius3349
    @terintiaflavius3349 2 месяца назад +1

    We do not charge individuals for others crimes.

  • @BrownyBird
    @BrownyBird 2 месяца назад +3

    Name and shame. I got two teenager kids, and i am all eyes, mind , time on them. You got kids? You make sure you do your job properly!

  • @Sam3nvymymind883
    @Sam3nvymymind883 Месяц назад +2

    I mean how tf you don’t know that your son has an arsenal in his room?? Booms?? Really??

  • @elenahickman4329
    @elenahickman4329 2 месяца назад +1

    Only one person in that family is responsible for that shooting and that is the shooter himself not the parents who most likely work outside the house and therefore aren't always able to look after their son

  • @matthew2487
    @matthew2487 2 месяца назад +16

    This makes no sense. Shouldn't even be a case.

    • @dmatech
      @dmatech Месяц назад

      It would make sense if the kids were very young. I figure as the child's culpability reaches that of an adult due to maturing, the parent's culpability approaches zero.

    • @johnnythunder1269
      @johnnythunder1269 Месяц назад

      For fricks sake!

    • @johnnythunder1269
      @johnnythunder1269 Месяц назад

      @@dmatechreally?!

  • @hermanisbarbiedolllife
    @hermanisbarbiedolllife Месяц назад +1

    Two totally different circumstances the parent in the first case bought the gun for him. The second parents had a gun in the house, but had no way of knowing he would use it to completely different things.

  • @giginorcross9900
    @giginorcross9900 2 месяца назад

    Wow that teacher is a living miracle praying for all of the families and people involved

  • @thesecondYouTube
    @thesecondYouTube Месяц назад +1

    Why would anybody want a son?

    • @michellecurtis6417
      @michellecurtis6417 Месяц назад +1

      Because someone has to rescue me from the terrifying spiders in my house..so I made sure to have a backup too! :)

  • @smorris281
    @smorris281 2 месяца назад +1

    This was a very different case from the Oxford shooting. The parents of this boy didn’t blatantly ignore warning signs and buy their son a gun. The police agreed. It’s very hard to win a civil lawsuits, if there is no conviction in criminal court.

  • @PowerGirl_XOXO
    @PowerGirl_XOXO 2 месяца назад +5

    Bad parenting

  • @Matthew2077
    @Matthew2077 2 месяца назад +1

    It’s ridiculous any parent is going to be charged for what their child does. The system just wants to go after anyone

  • @documentingevil
    @documentingevil 2 месяца назад +1

    The case that doesn't get enough coverage.

  • @FoeFear
    @FoeFear 2 месяца назад +2

    This is a bad comparison

  • @olympiabase8204
    @olympiabase8204 2 месяца назад +1

    The crumbly parent's case became crumbly when the courts found out they bought and gave the shooter the gun that he used

  • @SBarsinister
    @SBarsinister 2 месяца назад +2

    Where does a teen get money to buy guns and the parents not knowing about the guns?

    • @firstsgt279
      @firstsgt279 2 месяца назад

      He bought all the Bullets and Shells online. Guns? You can go almost anywhere in the US and Buy Illegal Stolen Guns.

  • @jayanimations494
    @jayanimations494 2 месяца назад +1

    makes sense if firearm sellers or manufacturers can’t be found liable there’s no reason parents should be as well especially when there was no acknowledgment

  • @merec3627
    @merec3627 2 месяца назад +1

    Anyone competent enough to plan this and hide it from their parents is competent enough to stand trial. What ended up being his fate?

  • @austinhowells20
    @austinhowells20 2 месяца назад +1

    Parents will get sued if they buy a weapon for their kid.

  • @emilyemr2591
    @emilyemr2591 2 месяца назад +3

    any decent parent would have known. travesty.

  • @lisafox5476
    @lisafox5476 2 месяца назад +7

    I have a schizophrenic son whom I’ve gotten medicine for who I’ve disciplined who I’ve taken care of but if he’s mentally unstable and commits a crime why in the hell would I be responsible. What is going on in the world

  • @Sasori0fTheSand
    @Sasori0fTheSand Месяц назад

    Our parents gave us no sort of privacy when we were kids. We had our rooms searched on a monthly, sometimes weekly, basis. How a child can have access to such lethal artillery without parents knowing is completely beyond me due to the way I was raised.

  • @Bronx-NY
    @Bronx-NY 2 месяца назад +1

    They should be in jail !

    • @firstsgt279
      @firstsgt279 2 месяца назад

      Can't, this was a Civil Trial, Lawsuit for $$$$. Their Kid bought all Ammo he used and his Illegal Guns outside the home. For yrs Teachers, his Friends and Parents thought nothing wrong with him. The State/Govt Psychologists have determined 5 times he is Incompetent to stand Trial. So no Charges against the Shooter or the Parents.

  • @GorgieClarissa
    @GorgieClarissa 2 месяца назад +76

    what a joke

  • @p.s.vanderpool6770
    @p.s.vanderpool6770 2 месяца назад +3

    What about your drug dealing kid, or street racing kid should we go after those parents as well?? No one want to know what caused this!!! Insane!!!

  • @cittiavaticano
    @cittiavaticano 2 месяца назад +3

    they didnt know, but its their job to know.

  • @philosopherkingzant2037
    @philosopherkingzant2037 Месяц назад

    6 years ago?
    Our judicial system is massively inefficient

    • @giovannidozzi
      @giovannidozzi Месяц назад

      xD
      I can just imagine a bunch of sly acting people taking forever to do something so basic.

  • @tahjjj1488
    @tahjjj1488 2 месяца назад +1

    Mentally incompetent to stand trial but he was walking around singing Another One Bites the Dust? They got that WAY wrong!😡

  • @animelivetv6223
    @animelivetv6223 Месяц назад +1

    How is it the parents fault for their kids going crazy

  • @krabsstd4106
    @krabsstd4106 2 месяца назад +1

    Stop blaming parents for their child's actions, if 15 is old enough to know what you're doing, then it should be old enough to hold you solely responsible!!!🤦‍♂️

  • @benfrank9622
    @benfrank9622 Месяц назад

    The parent is not guilty of anything other than owning a gun.

  • @nightshadewinter6915
    @nightshadewinter6915 2 месяца назад

    My cousin had classmates die in that attack. See or hear something, say something.

  • @atenrok
    @atenrok 2 месяца назад +3

    Oh gosh... 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @SosukeAizen7594.
    @SosukeAizen7594. 2 месяца назад +26

    I find this so dumb parents shouldn’t be charge for this kids wrong doing

    • @اميرمادرا
      @اميرمادرا 2 месяца назад

      I agree with you here my friend l love the art of Aizen tho have nice day ❤

  • @maikel07777
    @maikel07777 2 месяца назад

    If he was 18 then parents would never be legally charged

  • @melissaclark1051
    @melissaclark1051 2 месяца назад +1

    They should at minimum not be allowed guns, ever.

    • @asanti3748
      @asanti3748 2 месяца назад

      Should you suffer consequences if your parents commit a crime.

    • @firstsgt279
      @firstsgt279 2 месяца назад +1

      Who, the Parents? No Criminal Charges ever Filed against Parents or Shooter(Incompetent) And now Parents Won this Civil Case against them, not Liable. So Legally no way you could ever say the Parents cant own Guns. Not to Mention 2nd Amendment... You do know the shooter bought all his ammo and Illegal guns he used w/o his Parents knowing? It's not like he had access to Loaded Guns his Parents owned

  • @stasiabeez0
    @stasiabeez0 2 месяца назад

    Imo this is what happens when you think its cool to teach your kid how to use a gun.

  • @101westley
    @101westley 2 месяца назад

    A parent should not pay the price for someone else’s choices if they had no knowledge of the situation period

  • @Zzsmuf
    @Zzsmuf 2 месяца назад

    Deepest condolences to the grieving families 🙏🌈

  • @majorlagg9321
    @majorlagg9321 Месяц назад

    That teacher wants parents held criminally for the crimes of their children. She should be careful about getting what she wishes for.

  • @JoanBrown-tf6dr
    @JoanBrown-tf6dr 2 месяца назад

    Praise God we don't cant control our teenagers when they aren't with us God comfort the families

  • @Nighthawk.media615
    @Nighthawk.media615 2 месяца назад

    No, the parent should not be held guilty when they weren’t involved at all leave these innocent parents alone. Their kid is the monster here not the parents. The kid is the one that had all the weapons and bombs.

  • @mimic_gamer6539
    @mimic_gamer6539 Месяц назад +1

    I’m sorry to hear what happened to your loved ones and family members but I think it’s wrong To sue the parents because what their son did

  • @TheAmtwhite
    @TheAmtwhite Месяц назад

    Anyone not keeping their guns locked and secured from everyone else should be charged and convicted.

  • @_nobody_of_consequence_
    @_nobody_of_consequence_ 2 месяца назад

    1:52 If a jury says you're innocent, you're typically innocent. That's not something to be disappointed about.

  • @CliffRoling
    @CliffRoling 2 месяца назад

    What good does sending the parents to jail serve? Everyone on here saying that’s justified is wrong and just wants someone else to blame.

  • @EricMiller630
    @EricMiller630 2 месяца назад

    The woman who spoke last, about if your kid gets access to your weapon, you’re repairable. Yes. He didn’t get his parents weapons to do this. So isn’t angry about the verdict then?? Because that’s not what happened here

  • @magnavoxfifty
    @magnavoxfifty Месяц назад

    The only reason they were not convicted is because they would have set a precedent for the law across America. Imagine how many moms would be locked up? The numbers would be staggering.

  • @KevinGriffin-ks7cg
    @KevinGriffin-ks7cg 2 месяца назад

    Glad they're not getting arrested

  • @jenniferwells2291
    @jenniferwells2291 2 месяца назад

    If this kid had an arsenal of guns and bombs how did the parents not know?? Those things don't just blend into the room. I cannot believe a jury basically found this kid not guilty for murdering 8 people, and that is what not mentally competent to stand trial means. All he has to do is pretend to be fine and he's out. His parents let this happen

    • @asanti3748
      @asanti3748 2 месяца назад

      Isn’t that what the case was about, a judge and jury who heard the full story found them not liable for their son’s actions. But I’m curious on why you think other, I’m not trying knock your comment, genuinely curious.

  • @RullXov
    @RullXov 2 месяца назад

    Inept prosecutor and DA, were comparing apples with oranges.

  • @-king-1230
    @-king-1230 2 месяца назад +78

    The jury isn't gonna get peace for a long long time

    • @JoeyC-nr5yk
      @JoeyC-nr5yk 2 месяца назад +13

      it was the jury who decided

    • @voodoozombie1837
      @voodoozombie1837 2 месяца назад +14

      Jury decided 😂 judge had nothing to do with it

  • @gb5262
    @gb5262 2 месяца назад +28

    Did they say not mental to stand trial but he has the mentally built exposed in the room

  • @aggproduction5704
    @aggproduction5704 2 месяца назад

    I get the anger if you lost your loved ones. But it's all anger, and that's all.
    I'm sure they couldn't have imagined that their kid could commit such a crime.

  • @Hailey2346
    @Hailey2346 2 месяца назад +53

    He’s been found not competent to stand trial 4 times in the past 5 years (2019, 2022, 2023, 2024) and his parents never picked up on the fact that he was severely mental ill or they knew and just chose not to intervene. Sounds like liability to me 🤷🏻‍♀️

    • @user-cg3rq4jq6m
      @user-cg3rq4jq6m 2 месяца назад +13

      THAT IS NOT WHAT LIABLE MEANS. NICE TRY!

    • @reh3884
      @reh3884 2 месяца назад +16

      Being mentally ill doesn't necessarily mean you're dangerous.

    • @TravisWard-yq1yq
      @TravisWard-yq1yq 2 месяца назад +4

      Blah blah blah get off tik tok and social media he was probably normal until the trans era came out

    • @ashleymarie1248
      @ashleymarie1248 2 месяца назад +5

      @@reh3884 you're right, but it does mean that you need extra help. His parents failed to resource.

    • @firstsgt279
      @firstsgt279 2 месяца назад +2

      Nope, thats not what Liable means. Besides even the Teachers all thought there was no issues, guns were all Locked up w/o ammo. He bought all his Ammo and guns outside the home

  • @haulinheavy540
    @haulinheavy540 2 месяца назад

    Man, I feel for the victims parent that they want accountability for their children but the killers parents had nothing to do with it. Hell, they were in the dark on their sons intentions the whole time.

    • @lakerskid2013
      @lakerskid2013 2 месяца назад +3

      So crazy to think how many people want to say “Punish the parents.” This is an example of why it’s a bad idea to do that. It’s only reasonable to punish them if either they told their son to do it or he said he’d do it and then them not calling the police.

  • @Mavericka96
    @Mavericka96 Месяц назад

    And it took the court 6 years to come to that decision wtf.