thats alot more kicking techniques then i expected, can clearly see the influence shotokan had on taekwondo from this, military taekwondo i mean not olympic style
All that in the video don't work! But for fitness any physical activity is good. I learned Shotokan 3 years. Then I visited a Goju Ryu school and I got, SHotokan is useless. I learned Goju Ryu 3 years. Then I visited MMA and I got, my skill are useless. Though, I didn't waste my time in any way. One needs to have some pure style practice before to join MAA, and both Shotokan and Goju Rye were good for that.
@@aoibheannnibhroin9951 Useless against trained mma fighter maybe but not against untrained hoodlum. One kick can knock some teeth right out of someone’s mouth. For most people that’s good enough to defend themselves.
@@k14michael Don't kick high kicks, if you never tried that outside a gym (Dojo). The ground maybe wet and your shoes may be slippery. I would suggest to try some friendly sparring (kumite) outside a gym, having daily clothes and shoes on instead of a karate ki. Also, not the attacker will be charged, but you, if you kicked his teeth off or if you made him any other serious injuries. But you know it as well. It is just such an expression not a literal plan, right? And yes, it is so rare if some good MMA fighter attacks anybody in streets. If only being drunk.
@@aoibheannnibhroin9951 Whenever it comes to arguing about martial arts, some stupid idiot will call the MMA-fighters. You know, this is a ring with rules, right? With gloves, right? What do you think, which rules will a karate-fighter accept in a street fight? Karate is to destroy bones and muscles, turning the opponent into a cripple if necessary. Do you think, they developed self-defense for nothing? In times where 1 knife per village was allowed? I feel sorry for you, that you learned nothing in your karate-dojo.
People who say that this wouldn't work in a real fight know less of martial arts than they know of fornicating. Traditional Karate is brutal and effective, Karate has been water down to accommodate the western people, and in Japan many schools are also turning into pure dodo. Those schools that still teach the traditional style are brutal and effective, in a real fight you have control and can hit more hard, precise, faster and take alot more punishment than the streetfigther. Shotokan is RAW POWER, its hits are not meant to hurt u but to destroy you.
Maan Salha i would imagine so, funakoshi learned some judo from kano jigoro and it was common for karate students to learn judo along with karate and some would incorporate the judo techniques even further into the karate system they teach. these days alot of karate dojo's do teach it, in the taekwondo federation i am in we get taught the full range of combat except for weapons and most striking arts do teach some ground defense, more on how to get out of it to get back on your feet as that is where the strength of striking arts are on the feet
bóxer may can win in the ring with boxing rules but in the streets with a good traditional karateka(shorin ryu shidokan , shotokan etc) they could be kill in a sigle movement
Thank you for there names. Karate has yet to appropriately deal with sidearms (I practice Goju, diligently, studying other styles, Shotokan being one of them) because, especially with the advent of striker fire weapons, and trigger’s that actuate with under a .5kg of pressure. I personally wouldn’t chance a kick to disarm a pistol. A properly trained marksmen will probably land a shot center mass at the distances shown. And these guys are Absolute legends. I’d want to be within arms reach to at least control the muzzle.
As a karateka i agree with you completely, it would turn you into a bullet magnet so if ever you'll get pointed by a gun it's not the best time to resist.
it seems like kicking a gun out of someone's hand might work if he's distracted - even then it'd only be worth the risk if they're after more than just your money. in all likelihood you're only ever at gunpoint if you're being robbed, and the robber will probably pay attention, so yeah, nobody kicks faster than a finger on a trigger.
Watching this old film footage is great. The martial arts has changed alot over the years. Back then it was about honour and respect. It was a study through the education of the martial arts. The fighting arts are always there - that is obvious. However, to focus on the accomplishments and the learning process should be the goal. Perfection is realizing that there is no perfection. If you focus on perfecting your skills and self growth , its hard to think about the fighting aspect. Utilizing the martial arts to help people to grow or teaching values to people is by far a greater asset. Thanks for this video it brings us back.
Agreed, learning a martial art is learning about life. Today it's more about fighting than learning how to live. I would like to go back in time and learn from one of these masters 👍
A real attack is a melee, a mash up, untidy, can be unexpected and a bit of a mess. I know several karate clubs/instructors in which the core training is self defence/self protection with a realistic & practical viewpoint in which the attacker or attackers are non-karate based. These clubs/instructors explore & adapt bunkai to drill for a multitude of scenarios. Also, pad/bag work is essential. Getting back to the roots prior to the excellent technical karate shown in this video.
John, I'm a decent kickboxer with no fights, but I was trained by a UFC fighter and his friends (at his gym), I'd get fucked up by one of the BJJ people if it was a real fight. I simply think they would dodge whatever kick I throw and take me down. I've rolled with them, I'd stand no chance.
Putting aside the "realism" of the techniques demonstrated - the techniques themselves are beautifully performed by karate ka with great skill and athleticism
About 3:25 where they're barely creeping along the ground with tiny foot movements of the toe and heel without taking a step... that's some subtle, but very cool footwork!
Those snap kick are really good. I am impressed with the areas they strike and side stepping the jab to strike with a round house ball of your foot strike!! You would black out from that. Really cool, all of it.
Great technique. However, we have to be honest. From a self defence stand point you will never come under attack from someone using Shotokan. Especially with an Oi Zuki. I practiced Shotokan from 74-14 and in 20 years of tournaments and Kumite in dojo's I trained at around the world nobody ever attacked with Oi Zuki. But still great to watch such excellence of technique.
because having a high Dan rank does not mean deadly fighter but it can mean huge delusions as they start to believe those leg tech kicks may work against 2 attackers
We need to put everything in it's context. To my knowledge, Oi Tsuki was a long range sword/spear/knife thrust that was adapted and evolved into the empty hand punch that modern karate uses today. So the original intent of the attack is still relevant today. Thus saying you will never be attacked with an Oi tsuki today is like saying, I will probably never encounter anyone stabbing me in the gut with a knife these days. As for it being used in Kumite, if you are familiar with Naka Tatsuya sensei, you would know that the Oi Tsuki is one of his favorite techniques for which he is known for. And that he uses it exactly as it was intended, as a long range spear thrust against an opponent who is caught flatfooted.
That maybe true actually. However the benefit of karate is that you spend so much time practicing that you seldom actually get to go anywhere that's likely to get you into a fight. ;-)
MMA clowns today that watch this and think this stuff doesn't work simply don't understand that they trained like this BECAUSE it is so effective... The pauses and structure disappear in an actual fight. Are you really going to look at these full speed kicks and punches purposefully whiffing millimeters from their target, and think you're getting anywhere close enough or fast enough to catch them? Do you understand the level of control and precision that this takes? All right buddy. Cool story bro. I totally believe you.
These styles aren’t for playing around. The amount of strength it takes to not only execute but PULL AND STOP those kicks and punches is Enormous. Let alone the precision.
As a young man I studied Nakayama's "Dynamic Karate" until I knew every punch, kick, block and move by heart. To see him as a young man so skillful is a blessing!
Green belt test, 1974, Japanese cultural center in Los Angeles, Nishyama was the main evaluator, didn't understand half of what he said, but we respected the heck out of him.
Here's some advice for you "experts" here. Don't judge. Watch it and learn. Be grateful that there is a media you can watch it on. Practice each technique ten thousand times.
I find it interesting that it shows how Shotokan incorporates leg kicks and elbow strikes yet these are not used in most sparring matches. Elbows I understand, for they can cause lots of unwanted physical damage in an art that is about respecting your opponent especially in training. Would not mind being able to use leg kicks in training more often though, and using them for nonscoring techniques in tournament fighting. Kyokushin uses them, and it was founded by Master Mas Oyama who had a background in Shotokan. Also, the karate coming from the Naha region was focused more on conditioning, so would it not make more sense to adapt leg kicks into future styles that branched from both Shuri-te and Naha-te? What do people think?
In the old days, it was said that kicking above the belt level was inefficient. High kicks were not used, because people who tried it during wartimes saw their high kicks failing. So even if it's overused nowadays, it's efficient only against people who have never practiced any martial art neither fighting sport. Kyokushin is almost an aberration. It's never been accurate, because Masutatsu Oyama has never been accurate himself. His understanding of Naha-te and after that of Shotokan was only superficial, and rather than studying it deeper, he proceeded in many deep modifications, based on his own beginner's level. After founding his dojo in 1953, the first competitions were created in full contact, but they then joined the Shotokan more secured and more healthy rules. Then again, hitting the face has been forbidden due to injuries... And points systems are born, but it's become much more unrealistic and farer from the main purpose of Karate. As you've said, the body conditioning is important, and old masters often say that a single basic technique is sufficient if you hit with it so hardly that your opponent never stands up again. There are so many ways to block or evade from a high kick, circular or not, that i can't imagine even my old masters (75+ years old) being threatened by such techniques. That's what i think about this beginner's video. But elbows and what you call "leg kicks" have always been in Karate and before that in To-te (Shuri-te, Tomari-te and Naha-te). They're still teached in both Shorin-ryu (every branch) and every Naha-te based styles (Goju-ryu, Isshin-ryu) and even Uechi-ryu, just like in every South China-based Wushu style (from which are based every To-te style) and even in many Northern China-based styles. You can also find them in Muay Boran, Viet Vo Dao, Indian Kaliprayatt, Philippin Kali, Penchak SIlat, etc. Karate techniques can be practiced lightly, and not injure your mates. But competitions have distorted the martial art practice, mostly the competitions based on points systems. Some inaccurate or inefficient techniques have raised due to that, because they're more adapted to competition, but it's not as incredible as people believe. I say that thinking about your example of Kyokushin's low kicks. Gichin Funakoshi once said that "If you change Karate, even a single move, then it's not Karate anymore." This is what he meant. Look Naha-te based styles : we have Kansetsu geri, Sokuto geri, Fumikomi geri, and we also have many knee techniques (Hiza-waza) just like in Muay Boran. Of course these are damaging techniques, and of course we're not performing it at full power during training sessions. The Kyokushin leg kicks can make sense in a fight that lasts several minutes, just like in competitions, but it's nonsense thinking about the true purpose of Karate. Hitting your opponent's legs like Kyokushin practitioners do is useless : hitting outter parts of upper or lower body parts is always considered inefficient. That's why Fumikomi geri and Kansetsu geri exist. So adapt Kyokushin leg kicks into modern styles is not relevant. Not relevant for the true purpose of Karate, not relevant for points-based competitions, and not relevant for what's called "Karate full contact". So, according to you, what would be the advantage of incorporating low kicks in modern Karate styles ?
The gun defense is complete insanity. You have no way of knowing if your kick will hit before he pulls the trigger or if you will kick hard enough to knock it out of his hands. The fact that you are being held at gunpoint rather than just being shot at range itself implies that the person with the gun can be reasoned with. Just give him your money, never attempt to crescent kick a sidearm out of someone hands lol.
На старых в фильмах видио записи. Прекраснейшая плеяда мастеров. Бриллианты в соцветии короны каратэ. Некоторых из них лицизрел и имел возможность посетить семинары. Великие мастера. Накаяма. Косэ Шераи, Эноэда. Кога. Кагава, Канадзава. Осаи. Танака.Кинг Катаяма, Като.Ямогучи. Чогоко Танака. Хаякава. Манэбу Мураками. Это навскидку прошу извинить если кого то упустил. Приятно видеть показ техники владения ума и тела в прикладном оспекте каратэ. Благодарю вас за предоставленную возможность увидеть кихон в исполнении старых мастеров в их молодом возрасте. ДОМО АРИГАТО ГОДЗАИМАС.
I've had the book for half a century. Now I have the video. Thank you very much! :) That's me in the attached photo doing a flying kick when I was back from Korea and out of the U.S. Air Force and university at the high school where I taught science in Houston, Texas. My black belt is in Jedokwan(sp?) style of Taekwon Do (no longer practiced to my knowledge) from Master Kim Hyok Nae in South Korea. That style is from Japanese Shotokan during the Japanese occupation in which the Japanese kill almost all the Korean masters of Taekwon(sp) foot fighting to impose the Japanese style. Master Kim was very small (too small for Judo when he was young so had to take Taekwon Do), but I think he could have beaten anybody! That is like Shotokan Karate but we GI's were allowed to be individuals instead of "robotic" thus forming what might be called an American style of Taekwon Do or Karate. We practiced during the entire classes not standing around wasting time or with formal practices and eventually stopped practicing the forms ... just fighting or sparing a lot! We learned to "kick ass" in a manor of speaking. But I later added some Hapkido joint locks/throws and some Chinese Chin Na (Quin Na) joint locks with the Korean Hapkido locks etc. My time in S. Korea was before S. Korea uniformed their style of Taekwon Do into their national sport making everybody the same like from a factory, unfortunately. And my master, a 7th Degree Master at the time, had many Koreans to visit our gym all with very, very different styles of sparing. I imitated their incredible speed to become almost indomitable when young and practiced four (4) times everyday ... one time between two classes and during midnight shift on guard duty making four times per day, as a cop doing law enforcement and security. One of his assistants was Mr. Cho, a 5th Degree at the time. Mr. Cho was a former three time all Korean champion and former presidential bodyguard. Master Kim got Mr. Cho to show me some special moves as I was Captain of our team or class. Mr. Kim told me "You have'ah great! potential (with his accident).
Ty for posting this excerpt. It's quality. I often wondered if there had been a strict regimen inspired by Samurai and other military orders around Asia and how much tradition there was... But this gives a vision of Asian MMA, which got exported internationally as different "schools". How fantastic it is to imagine and how young it makes martial arts feel.
This is basically the same style that I studied first. It was called kamashinru . Japanese style karate brought to the USA by Albert Church. After the school broke up I studied TKD. TKD is OK but I like and miss the old Japanese karate.
Man, can't they get along while they wait for the Bus? Their always fighting. Even passing one another on the streets in public they start mortal kombat each other.
Rey Sierra if you happen to encounter a guy wearing karate uniform in the street, the message is clear: don’t mess up with him, especially if he is barefooted.
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I remember learning Shotokan in school. I grew up watching Bruce Lee films, I had my first fight in the street against the school psycho around 14 years old. The first thing I discovered was people don't keep a set distance apart when fighting. Whilst getting completely overwhelmed by blows I also found out that the BS straight punches were crap against someone in your grill throwing hooks and uppercuts, screaming, spitting and trying to bite you. I had every childhood ideal of martial arts superiority stripped away in under 5 minutes. It makes me wonder if any of these 'masters' did any real fighting at all or just the peasantry idolising the elderly 'masters' who just larped their way through their shogun society.
Well. I remember, as a kid, in History class learning about the Imperial Japanese Army and how they ran across the entire Asian world during World War II. That involved quite a lot of fighting, hand-to-hand. So, you were a kid, you didn’t take it seriously and thought the class was some kind of Magic. Fighting is not magic, as you learned. It is fighting. So if you just tried to robotically attack somebody with “Katas” and very telegrammed strikes, as you were improperly trained, you will be beaten very badly. Your McDojo experience is very common, but don’t discount this stuff.
i remember way back when i was a kid i came across a book on katate and thought i'd learn a few moves. it was a bad book by an american who apparently only learned 3 moves and the rest was all basically isometic stuff. so i used only a few excercises and learned the few worthwhile moves. one move was what to do when someone attacks you using that knife over head while charging you. i thought that looks stupid no one fights like that except in bad movies but what-the-hell. one day in class another kid thought he'd start a fight with me and attacked me to hit me using that same overhead charge. i grabbed him without thinking by the rest, spun and used his weight to toss him over me onto the ground. however since it was a classroom he smashed hard onto a desk instead which was even better. he was so surprised he quit right there and had a new respect for me. no one else ever picked a fight with me again that whole year.
Did they simply not understand that pivoting imbues the power of the earth into your core, your shoulders, and thus your strikes? They are always flat footed with their strikes. In western striking disciplines, we drill this pivot, rotation. It's where all of the power comes from. We do it even when striking the air.
I've torn circular wounds into the ball of my foot from striking with extreme snappiness while shadowboxing on concrete. I'd injure my ligaments if my heels were planted and i could not pivot
Would love to see this applied to a real fight. His pupils are moving too slow to see how this would flow. Plus they are not following through with their movements. And some are obviously improper form. The gun to the back would realistically be a foot off the back and much harder to grab. The swing would not be above his head but rather more aggressively to the body. The grabbing of the arms, they would be swinging not standing
Ask yourself why Karate isn't one of the primary sports selected in either the UFC or in the martial art of MMA. It is simply based on fiction (AKA They fight "funny"). Most people just don't fight like that. Or maybe, in the East, you will be attacked by a slow punch whilst the attacker is completely frozen in time, leaving you with just too much time to give you 5 kicks. In my reality, it isn't that simple.
thats alot more kicking techniques then i expected, can clearly see the influence shotokan had on taekwondo from this, military taekwondo i mean not olympic style
michael mckenna tkd came from shotokan
yup, the founder learned shotokan directly from funakoshi. Then returned to korea, mixed it with taekkyeon
michael mckenna the chief of tkd has 2nd dan in karate shotokan
Shotokan adopted kicks into its system from French Savate
...and chausson had influenced Shotokan
As a teenager in the 70's Shotokan changed my life and is still a major influence now. I miss the old school discipline and style.
Shotokan has given me so much in life. I started in high school and I'll still be practicing as an old man.
All that in the video don't work! But for fitness any physical activity is good. I learned Shotokan 3 years. Then I visited a Goju Ryu school and I got, SHotokan is useless. I learned Goju Ryu 3 years. Then I visited MMA and I got, my skill are useless. Though, I didn't waste my time in any way. One needs to have some pure style practice before to join MAA, and both Shotokan and Goju Rye were good for that.
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Useless against trained mma fighter maybe but not against untrained hoodlum. One kick can knock some teeth right out of someone’s mouth. For most people that’s good enough to defend themselves.
@@k14michael Don't kick high kicks, if you never tried that outside a gym (Dojo). The ground maybe wet and your shoes may be slippery. I would suggest to try some friendly sparring (kumite) outside a gym, having daily clothes and shoes on instead of a karate ki. Also, not the attacker will be charged, but you, if you kicked his teeth off or if you made him any other serious injuries. But you know it as well. It is just such an expression not a literal plan, right? And yes, it is so rare if some good MMA fighter attacks anybody in streets. If only being drunk.
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Yes, I practiced JKD and we work out in our street cloth and tennis shoes.
@@aoibheannnibhroin9951 Whenever it comes to arguing about martial arts, some stupid idiot will call the MMA-fighters. You know, this is a ring with rules, right? With gloves, right? What do you think, which rules will a karate-fighter accept in a street fight? Karate is to destroy bones and muscles, turning the opponent into a cripple if necessary. Do you think, they developed self-defense for nothing? In times where 1 knife per village was allowed? I feel sorry for you, that you learned nothing in your karate-dojo.
People who say that this wouldn't work in a real fight know less of martial arts than they know of fornicating. Traditional Karate is brutal and effective, Karate has been water down to accommodate the western people, and in Japan many schools are also turning into pure dodo. Those schools that still teach the traditional style are brutal and effective, in a real fight you have control and can hit more hard, precise, faster and take alot more punishment than the streetfigther. Shotokan is RAW POWER, its hits are not meant to hurt u but to destroy you.
Is there any ground work in Shotokan Karate?
Maan Salha i would imagine so, funakoshi learned some judo from kano jigoro and it was common for karate students to learn judo along with karate and some would incorporate the judo techniques even further into the karate system they teach. these days alot of karate dojo's do teach it, in the taekwondo federation i am in we get taught the full range of combat except for weapons and most striking arts do teach some ground defense, more on how to get out of it to get back on your feet as that is where the strength of striking arts are on the feet
All right, thank you ^_^
+Regnery Cruz : Too much superficial critics out there who probably have never spent any time training in the real fighting arts.
bóxer may can win in the ring with boxing rules but in the streets with a good traditional karateka(shorin ryu shidokan , shotokan etc) they could be kill in a sigle movement
Watching Nishiyama in his prime always puts a smile on my face. His skill was unreal.
I can recognise Shotokan legends: Nakayama, Nishiyama, Kanazawa, Enoeda, all of them sadly departed, with Kanazawa Sensei being the latest loss.
Gichin funakoshi is the best shotokan legend know to man lol
My Sensei's Sensei' Sensei got his training from Nishiyama. Rajeev Sinha. He once trained our seniors.
Thank you for there names. Karate has yet to appropriately deal with sidearms (I practice Goju, diligently, studying other styles, Shotokan being one of them) because, especially with the advent of striker fire weapons, and trigger’s that actuate with under a .5kg of pressure.
I personally wouldn’t chance a kick to disarm a pistol. A properly trained marksmen will probably land a shot center mass at the distances shown. And these guys are Absolute legends. I’d want to be within arms reach to at least control the muzzle.
Michael Jai White , is a MASTER of this style Technique & thee late Great Sonny Chiba.
Yes. It was great seeing them all again in their prime.
A couple of those gun defenses were impractical. Other than that the flexibility of the man was incredible.
As a karateka i agree with you completely, it would turn you into a bullet magnet so if ever you'll get pointed by a gun it's not the best time to resist.
it seems like kicking a gun out of someone's hand might work if he's distracted - even then it'd only be worth the risk if they're after more than just your money. in all likelihood you're only ever at gunpoint if you're being robbed, and the robber will probably pay attention, so yeah, nobody kicks faster than a finger on a trigger.
The only gun defense is any that work at that time. A hail/Mary is better than accepting defeat
Watching this old film footage is great. The martial arts has changed
alot over the years. Back then it was about honour and respect. It was a
study through the education of the martial arts. The fighting arts are
always there - that is obvious. However, to focus on the accomplishments
and the learning process should be the goal. Perfection is realizing
that there is no perfection. If you focus on perfecting your skills and
self growth , its hard to think about the fighting aspect. Utilizing the
martial arts to help people to grow or teaching values to people is by
far a greater asset. Thanks for this video it brings us back.
Agreed, learning a martial art is learning about life. Today it's more about fighting than learning how to live. I would like to go back in time and learn from one of these masters 👍
The kicks were perfectly balanced and accurate Wow so much to learn from seeing them...wish I can get it one day
What I admire, is the mind set. It’s not the techniques, it’s the character building.
A real attack is a melee, a mash up, untidy, can be unexpected and a bit of a mess. I know several karate clubs/instructors in which the core training is self defence/self protection with a realistic & practical viewpoint in which the attacker or attackers are non-karate based. These clubs/instructors explore & adapt bunkai to drill for a multitude of scenarios. Also, pad/bag work is essential. Getting back to the roots prior to the excellent technical karate shown in this video.
More than one karate "black belt" has found that out the hard way after getting into a fight with a wrestler or judoka or other competition grappler.
John, I'm a decent kickboxer with no fights, but I was trained by a UFC fighter and his friends (at his gym), I'd get fucked up by one of the BJJ people if it was a real fight. I simply think they would dodge whatever kick I throw and take me down. I've rolled with them, I'd stand no chance.
Trained with Master M. Nakayama in 1972; a promotional, 2-day workshop at Florida State University. What a SUPERB, experience!!
I begsn in 1975.
Michael Jai White, lives & Respects Karate & all Technique.....
Man where can I learn old school karate
What a blessing to see Nishiyama Sensei in these videos after all these years! Thank you!
A lot of these are actually really important to know if you wana walk safely in forests, I'm always being ambushed by forest karate guys
One of the demonstrators looks like Sensei Nishiyama when he was young in Japan ... amazing!
I love how so many of the scenarios are of a peaceful karateka minding his own business, only to be surprise-attacked!!
Taekwondo practitioner here. This is magnificent to my eyes.
This is a video taken after the birth of Taekwondo.
Super cool! What I find most amazing his how Shotokan masters can hit so hard. You take a shot from these guys & it rocks you to your core!
Some crisp kicks. These gents are impressive.
Karate in it'd intended use is absolutely effective and very deadly. It was developed over centuries of combat techniques
Putting aside the "realism" of the techniques demonstrated - the techniques themselves are beautifully performed by karate ka with great skill and athleticism
About 3:25 where they're barely creeping along the ground with tiny foot movements of the toe and heel without taking a step... that's some subtle, but very cool footwork!
Its so intresting,to see unsu-bunkai,performed by SHIHAN Nakayama...or SHIHAN Nishiyama in action.rare pictures.thank you.
I remember these guys from the 60’s. Nakayama is the little third guy. He wrote the classic, Dynamic Karate.
Those snap kick are really good. I am impressed with the areas they strike and side stepping the jab to strike with a round house ball of your foot strike!! You would black out from that. Really cool, all of it.
Great technique. However, we have to be honest. From a self defence stand point you will never come under attack from someone using Shotokan. Especially with an Oi Zuki.
I practiced Shotokan from 74-14 and in 20 years of tournaments and Kumite in dojo's I trained at around the world nobody ever attacked with Oi Zuki. But still great to watch such excellence of technique.
because having a high Dan rank does not mean deadly fighter but it can mean huge delusions as they start to believe those leg tech kicks may work against 2 attackers
We need to put everything in it's context. To my knowledge, Oi Tsuki was a long range sword/spear/knife thrust that was adapted and evolved into the empty hand punch that modern karate uses today. So the original intent of the attack is still relevant today. Thus saying you will never be attacked with an Oi tsuki today is like saying, I will probably never encounter anyone stabbing me in the gut with a knife these days. As for it being used in Kumite, if you are familiar with Naka Tatsuya sensei, you would know that the Oi Tsuki is one of his favorite techniques for which he is known for. And that he uses it exactly as it was intended, as a long range spear thrust against an opponent who is caught flatfooted.
@@johnlloyddy7016 nice analysis, Kokobun's oi tsuki is not too bad either ;)
This was great historical stuff. Thank you!
Beautiful technique on those kicks
The content of the video is a video made after the birth of Taekwondo.
And the kick shown in the video is the Sabate kick.
Very cool footage! Awesome technique... A real cool find! thanks..
That maybe true actually. However the benefit of karate is that you spend so much time practicing that you seldom actually get to go anywhere that's likely to get you into a fight. ;-)
This is wisdom.
MMA clowns today that watch this and think this stuff doesn't work simply don't understand that they trained like this BECAUSE it is so effective... The pauses and structure disappear in an actual fight. Are you really going to look at these full speed kicks and punches purposefully whiffing millimeters from their target, and think you're getting anywhere close enough or fast enough to catch them? Do you understand the level of control and precision that this takes?
All right buddy. Cool story bro. I totally believe you.
These styles aren’t for playing around. The amount of strength it takes to not only execute but PULL AND STOP those kicks and punches is Enormous. Let alone the precision.
Shotokan is best and hard style modern karate..❤️❤️❤️
Most precious. And of course, a stark reminder of how petty are the disputes about origin or superiority of one art in favor of others.
As a young man I studied Nakayama's "Dynamic Karate" until I knew every punch, kick, block and move by heart. To see him as a young man so skillful is a blessing!
Green belt test, 1974, Japanese cultural center in Los Angeles, Nishyama was the main evaluator, didn't understand half of what he said, but we respected the heck out of him.
This was so good. The classic Shotokan.🙏🙏🙏
Here's some advice for you "experts" here. Don't judge. Watch it and learn. Be grateful that there is a media you can watch it on. Practice each technique ten thousand times.
These guys took karate seriously.
Absolutely brilliant karatekai
love it. legends abound in one vid.
This is fantastic! 👍
Muito lindo o karate shotokan 👊🏼 oss
So cool to see such masters at work.
I find it interesting that it shows how Shotokan incorporates leg kicks and elbow strikes yet these are not used in most sparring matches. Elbows I understand, for they can cause lots of unwanted physical damage in an art that is about respecting your opponent especially in training. Would not mind being able to use leg kicks in training more often though, and using them for nonscoring techniques in tournament fighting. Kyokushin uses them, and it was founded by Master Mas Oyama who had a background in Shotokan. Also, the karate coming from the Naha region was focused more on conditioning, so would it not make more sense to adapt leg kicks into future styles that branched from both Shuri-te and Naha-te? What do people think?
In the old days, it was said that kicking above the belt level was inefficient. High kicks were not used, because people who tried it during wartimes saw their high kicks failing. So even if it's overused nowadays, it's efficient only against people who have never practiced any martial art neither fighting sport.
Kyokushin is almost an aberration. It's never been accurate, because Masutatsu Oyama has never been accurate himself. His understanding of Naha-te and after that of Shotokan was only superficial, and rather than studying it deeper, he proceeded in many deep modifications, based on his own beginner's level. After founding his dojo in 1953, the first competitions were created in full contact, but they then joined the Shotokan more secured and more healthy rules. Then again, hitting the face has been forbidden due to injuries... And points systems are born, but it's become much more unrealistic and farer from the main purpose of Karate.
As you've said, the body conditioning is important, and old masters often say that a single basic technique is sufficient if you hit with it so hardly that your opponent never stands up again. There are so many ways to block or evade from a high kick, circular or not, that i can't imagine even my old masters (75+ years old) being threatened by such techniques. That's what i think about this beginner's video.
But elbows and what you call "leg kicks" have always been in Karate and before that in To-te (Shuri-te, Tomari-te and Naha-te). They're still teached in both Shorin-ryu (every branch) and every Naha-te based styles (Goju-ryu, Isshin-ryu) and even Uechi-ryu, just like in every South China-based Wushu style (from which are based every To-te style) and even in many Northern China-based styles. You can also find them in Muay Boran, Viet Vo Dao, Indian Kaliprayatt, Philippin Kali, Penchak SIlat, etc.
Karate techniques can be practiced lightly, and not injure your mates. But competitions have distorted the martial art practice, mostly the competitions based on points systems. Some inaccurate or inefficient techniques have raised due to that, because they're more adapted to competition, but it's not as incredible as people believe. I say that thinking about your example of Kyokushin's low kicks.
Gichin Funakoshi once said that "If you change Karate, even a single move, then it's not Karate anymore." This is what he meant.
Look Naha-te based styles : we have Kansetsu geri, Sokuto geri, Fumikomi geri, and we also have many knee techniques (Hiza-waza) just like in Muay Boran. Of course these are damaging techniques, and of course we're not performing it at full power during training sessions.
The Kyokushin leg kicks can make sense in a fight that lasts several minutes, just like in competitions, but it's nonsense thinking about the true purpose of Karate. Hitting your opponent's legs like Kyokushin practitioners do is useless : hitting outter parts of upper or lower body parts is always considered inefficient. That's why Fumikomi geri and Kansetsu geri exist. So adapt Kyokushin leg kicks into modern styles is not relevant. Not relevant for the true purpose of Karate, not relevant for points-based competitions, and not relevant for what's called "Karate full contact". So, according to you, what would be the advantage of incorporating low kicks in modern Karate styles ?
@@Yeino I don't know if I fully agree with everything in your comment but I still gave it a thumbs up for how detailed it was.
That was impressive even by today's standards. What a great display of technique and control.
Studied Soryu Karate. Very similar and in many ways identical. Great to see this old footage of Shotokan Karate.
The gun defense is complete insanity. You have no way of knowing if your kick will hit before he pulls the trigger or if you will kick hard enough to knock it out of his hands. The fact that you are being held at gunpoint rather than just being shot at range itself implies that the person with the gun can be reasoned with. Just give him your money, never attempt to crescent kick a sidearm out of someone hands lol.
If he wants to take you or your child try it but if he wants money give it to him and when he's going away get him and your money back
@@Nolan-JohnstonYT or just call the police
If ur life depends on it maybe u would
Funakoshi
Nakayama
Nishiyama
My teacher
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Thanks for sharing.
Old footage of Ryu and Ken sparring for Gouken
На старых в фильмах видио записи. Прекраснейшая плеяда мастеров. Бриллианты в соцветии короны каратэ. Некоторых из них лицизрел и имел возможность посетить семинары. Великие мастера. Накаяма. Косэ Шераи, Эноэда. Кога. Кагава, Канадзава. Осаи. Танака.Кинг Катаяма, Като.Ямогучи. Чогоко Танака. Хаякава. Манэбу Мураками. Это навскидку прошу извинить если кого то упустил. Приятно видеть показ техники владения ума и тела в прикладном оспекте каратэ. Благодарю вас за предоставленную возможность увидеть кихон в исполнении старых мастеров в их молодом возрасте. ДОМО АРИГАТО ГОДЗАИМАС.
That is good, old style karate.
この映像が観たかった‼️拝見出来て感激です。✨若き日の,金澤弘和.先生も演武に参加✨されていて最高です。戦時中,大陸に渡られた中山正敏.師範が,現地での体験=実戦💥を素に,編み出された武術だそうです。すごいですね…。
I've had the book for half a century. Now I have the video. Thank you very much! :) That's me in the attached photo doing a flying kick when I was back from Korea and out of the U.S. Air Force and university at the high school where I taught science in Houston, Texas. My black belt is in Jedokwan(sp?) style of Taekwon Do (no longer practiced to my knowledge) from Master Kim Hyok Nae in South Korea. That style is from Japanese Shotokan during the Japanese occupation in which the Japanese kill almost all the Korean masters of Taekwon(sp) foot fighting to impose the Japanese style. Master Kim was very small (too small for Judo when he was young so had to take Taekwon Do), but I think he could have beaten anybody! That is like Shotokan Karate but we GI's were allowed to be individuals instead of "robotic" thus forming what might be called an American style of Taekwon Do or Karate. We practiced during the entire classes not standing around wasting time or with formal practices and eventually stopped practicing the forms ... just fighting or sparing a lot! We learned to "kick ass" in a manor of speaking. But I later added some Hapkido joint locks/throws and some Chinese Chin Na (Quin Na) joint locks with the Korean Hapkido locks etc. My time in S. Korea was before S. Korea uniformed their style of Taekwon Do into their national sport making everybody the same like from a factory, unfortunately. And my master, a 7th Degree Master at the time, had many Koreans to visit our gym all with very, very different styles of sparing. I imitated their incredible speed to become almost indomitable when young and practiced four (4) times everyday ... one time between two classes and during midnight shift on guard duty making four times per day, as a cop doing law enforcement and security. One of his assistants was Mr. Cho, a 5th Degree at the time. Mr. Cho was a former three time all Korean champion and former presidential bodyguard. Master Kim got Mr. Cho to show me some special moves as I was Captain of our team or class. Mr. Kim told me "You have'ah great! potential (with his accident).
Guys like you ruined the Art.
Ty for posting this excerpt. It's quality. I often wondered if there had been a strict regimen inspired by Samurai and other military orders around Asia and how much tradition there was...
But this gives a vision of Asian MMA, which got exported internationally as different "schools".
How fantastic it is to imagine and how young it makes martial arts feel.
That's the real shotokan before becomes a usseless sport.
The ability to practice and train in any art that is trying to increase your attributes as a human is priceless. This is no acception
*This is no exception.
But you're right. Arts that push who you are as a person are fantastic
I’ll say it again. It’s never the art in the man. It’s always the man in the Art.
Nishiyama was a bad cat . Hi-ya ... love it .
Спасибо,
Поклон вам🙏🏻
0:50 Oh, just a quick jodan mawashi over the table for you, sir.
It's also lyoto machida's base as i observed...
I see some things that have slightly changed throughout generations and eventually passed to my sensi
WOW!
RUclips recommended something interesting!
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This is basically the same style that I studied first. It was called kamashinru . Japanese style karate brought to the USA by Albert Church. After the school broke up I studied TKD. TKD is OK but I like and miss the old Japanese karate.
Jeff Gibson this is shotokan
Your opponent is unlikely to throw just one strike at you and then stop!
That master really was similar to Funakoshi (his face, I mean). Really nice video, thanks!
I am a second degree Black Belt in Shotokan Karate and I still have no idea how to do what some of these guys are doing.
I guess there were a ton of karateka bandits in those days.
Man, can't they get along while they wait for the Bus? Their always fighting. Even passing one another on the streets in public they start mortal kombat each other.
Rey Sierra if you happen to encounter a guy wearing karate uniform in the street, the message is clear: don’t mess up with him, especially if he is barefooted.
janpaul1977 ...even more so, a guy in full ninja garb. But itd be cool to see em turn into a rabbit or something when they dropped a smokebomb, yea?
I feel like some of the karate blocks make more sense if someone has a weapon
Like Age Uke (rising Block
So Karate is awesome from the start ...
Very good Karate! Excellent control! :)
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@@davewilliams1513 Good luck and have a great day Sir😊
Only 4 uke were killed in the making of this film.
Back then they really liked their chairs, and randomly strolling through the forest in their karate uniforms.
This is for training purposes
I remember learning Shotokan in school. I grew up watching Bruce Lee films, I had my first fight in the street against the school psycho around 14 years old.
The first thing I discovered was people don't keep a set distance apart when fighting. Whilst getting completely overwhelmed by blows I also found out that the BS straight punches were crap against someone in your grill throwing hooks and uppercuts, screaming, spitting and trying to bite you.
I had every childhood ideal of martial arts superiority stripped away in under 5 minutes. It makes me wonder if any of these 'masters' did any real fighting at all or just the peasantry idolising the elderly 'masters' who just larped their way through their shogun society.
Well. I remember, as a kid, in History class learning about the Imperial Japanese Army and how they ran across the entire Asian world during World War II. That involved quite a lot of fighting, hand-to-hand. So, you were a kid, you didn’t take it seriously and thought the class was some kind of Magic. Fighting is not magic, as you learned. It is fighting. So if you just tried to robotically attack somebody with “Katas” and very telegrammed strikes, as you were improperly trained, you will be beaten very badly.
Your McDojo experience is very common, but don’t discount this stuff.
@@ch0wned not only Mc dojos some "traditional" dojos tend to just to KATAS and kihon while at most once a month point kumite.....
1:12 Heian Yodan Bunkai
Karatê tradicional Forevore OSS!!!👊👊👊💪🥋
Отличное видео, спасибо👍👍👍
i remember way back when i was a kid i came across a book on katate and thought i'd learn a few moves. it was a bad book by an american who apparently only learned 3 moves and the rest was all basically isometic stuff. so i used only a few excercises and learned the few worthwhile moves. one move was what to do when someone attacks you using that knife over head while charging you. i thought that looks stupid no one fights like that except in bad movies but what-the-hell. one day in class another kid thought he'd start a fight with me and attacked me to hit me using that same overhead charge. i grabbed him without thinking by the rest, spun and used his weight to toss him over me onto the ground. however since it was a classroom he smashed hard onto a desk instead which was even better. he was so surprised he quit right there and had a new respect for me. no one else ever picked a fight with me again that whole year.
o karatê e Kung Fu e o taykendo são as verdadeiras artes marciais.💪💪💪
The 4th karateka in this movie is Master Okazaki
+Paul Sod He is the man! Oss, ISKF!
I used to obsessively read books with this kind of stuff when I was a kid
Main lesson:
If someone is walking towards you on the street wearing a gi, get ready to fight.
Omg!!! We see pieces of katas right there! Strangle -> Jion, two guys pick your arms -> Heian Yondan etc
The best most realistick karate show
La meilleure vidéo sur le sujet. Grande maîtrise et puissance!!
I like this video. Reminds .e of the old style Japanese samurai movies.
Would have been funny to hear a loud HADOUKEN! at the end 🤣👍
1:50 he didn’t even check if the person behind him was attacker. He just knew...
thank you..super styill...super technik...thank jou for wideo
Did they simply not understand that pivoting imbues the power of the earth into your core, your shoulders, and thus your strikes? They are always flat footed with their strikes. In western striking disciplines, we drill this pivot, rotation. It's where all of the power comes from. We do it even when striking the air.
I've torn circular wounds into the ball of my foot from striking with extreme snappiness while shadowboxing on concrete. I'd injure my ligaments if my heels were planted and i could not pivot
Super, toll, vielen Dank🤩
okinawan karate is the root for all karate..they don't use kumite because it will destroy the true art and the way you move.
white crane kung fu is the root of okinawan karate.
@@Supermomo2007 WRONG they already had Te, kung fu was altered to fit with Okinawan Te but that does not make it the root of Okinawan Karate
I can feel my inner dragon
I didn't expect that block into a counted move. Ayyo
sehr natürliche Bewegungen, ich sitze eigentlich immer so auf dem Stuhl
This is some beautiful fuckin footage
good
Their Kimeh is so legendary lol
Would love to see this applied to a real fight. His pupils are moving too slow to see how this would flow. Plus they are not following through with their movements. And some are obviously improper form. The gun to the back would realistically be a foot off the back and much harder to grab. The swing would not be above his head but rather more aggressively to the body. The grabbing of the arms, they would be swinging not standing
Ask yourself why Karate isn't one of the primary sports selected in either the UFC or in the martial art of MMA. It is simply based on fiction (AKA They fight "funny"). Most people just don't fight like that. Or maybe, in the East, you will be attacked by a slow punch whilst the attacker is completely frozen in time, leaving you with just too much time to give you 5 kicks.
In my reality, it isn't that simple.
Viva lo shotokan ❤️❤️