Yamaha P-225 action noise test
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Test results show that the action is not noisy.
For the sound test, check the following link: • Yamaha P-225 sound test
For the noise test of Yamaha P-125A, check the following link: • Yamaha P-125 (GHS) ac...
For the noise test of FP-10, check the following link: • Roland FP-10 (PHA-4) a...
Here are the results of action heaviness tests:
Middle C (C4) - ~51g
C7 - less than 50g
C6 - ~50g
C2 - ~55g
C3 - ~53g
C4# - ~ more than 50g - ~65g (middle of black key)
~ 80g to get the sound (T) on C4, 85g on C2; C7 - 80g (S)]
Yamaha keys are quite “springy” - especially the black ones. I can press both white and black keys (easier) close to the fulcrum. I have less problems playing soft (light touch) black and white keys simultaneously (as in The Sick Doll). Black keys play a bit more easily). Keys are less noisy than GHS action keys..
I wish you could do the same test with p225 and p125 side by side so we can hear the difference
Noise depends of quantity of lubricant. And feels of keys too. I own Yamaha p45, there was 76 g weight C1 before repairing and 84 g after I added the lubricant. Feel is good only with correct lubrication… This is the problem of all compact keys (GHS, GHC, RHC, RHA etc).
Thank you for a very interesting comment. I do not think that opening the piano to do lubrication is permitted during warranty period. Not every one is as competent as you are to do it properly.
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Thank you 😊 I also practice on Yamaha C7 grand piano
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Is the rebound/key-return noise comparable to the notorious 'clack' or clicking noise found in the Roland PHA4 action? How close is the rebound/key-return noise of this PHA4 action to the Yamaha GHC action of the p225? Is one louder than the other in terms of rebound noise? I saw on your other noise test of the Roland that there's also quite a rebound noise present. I have the same issue with my Roland FP30x. I have been thinking of replacing it with the Yamaha p225 to avoid that noise issue but I'm hesitant since the two may be equal in volume of the noise.
As I said in another response to your comment, GHC is much quieter than PHA-4 as far as the rebound noise is concerned
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What a great video! Have you perhaps tried the Kawai ES120 Action? I really would like to have a subjective comparison, as my local store doesn't yet have a Yamaha P-225 to try.
Thank you.
I have not tested ES120 as thoroughly as Yamaha digital pianos (or even Roland or Casio).
Here are some numbers and observations:
Middle C (C4) - ~52g
C7 - less than 50g
C6 - slightly less than 50g
C2 - ~57g
C3 - slightly more than 55g
C4# - 50g - 63g (middle of black key)
Relatively light touch close to the fulcrum.
Octave width: 16.5cm; white key length 15cm
Key bouncing but a bit less than CA49. Action a bit noisy but better than ES110 and (definitely) ES520 and ES920 (very bouncy)
Cheers,
Michael
I haven't been able to try the ES120. It's predecessor (the ES110) was a disaster IMO, but Stu at Merriam Pianos says there are significant improvements, and it looks and sounds good in reviews. One other viewer who visits the channel commented that the keyboard mounting is still too soft and flexes a lot.
Yamaha and Kawai pianos have very different sounds. No Yamaha model I know of sounds anything like a Kawai model, and vice versa, not on the principal piano patches. You asked for a subjective opinion. Well, so far I always favour Yamaha main piano patches over Kawai, except perhaps for certain ballads and so on. When Stu played Liebestraum on a Kawai piano with the Shigeru SK-EX patch, it tore me up.
In fairness I must say that experienced players usually have big reservations about Yamaha's plastic actions. The action with the best reputation around this price is Roland's PHA-4, found for example, on the FP-30X.
I did try the P-225 briefly, and I was underwhelmed by the action, but sometimes an action can grow on you. That is precisely what happened with my main DP, the discontinued P-255, which I now adore. Anyway, so far, I prefer the P-125/P-121 models to the P-225.
In summary, I suggest that if you like the ES120 fairly well, you should buy it.
@@Zoco101 Thank you for your comments.
Here are my tests of ES120 action
Middle C (C4) - ~52g
C7 -
@@mfurman You're welcome. I was really trying to answer @Maxolina, but thanks for the information. I too have a friend with a C7 - not very nearby, sadly, but I have enjoyed playing it.
How is the finish on the keys? Are they matte finish (fake ivory) as in the the casio ps x1000 or are they slippery and glossy as the p125? Appreciate your answer.
They are identical to the keys of P-125
The keys are shiny plastic. Some people say that makes them too sticky. I think a microtexture helps both in grip and sliding as necessary, if that makes sense. But no, there isn't one. I have a P-121, without a microtexture. It's only a tiny disadvantage. Cheap keybeds have bigger drawbacks than this and Yamaha seems to be making bad mistakes with its plastic actions, while its sounds are outstanding. If the action is your biggest priority, I suggest buying a Roland digital piano.
@@Zoco101 I do agree with you that PHA-4 resembles more acoustic piano action than both GHS and GHC (in this price range).
Wating for the day I get to try this out in the shop. I want to know if they feel lighter to play than the GHS. Also I also hear they made it slimmer than the P125 so I hope it isn't too harde to play towards the back of the key, and that they didn't have to make the black keys lighter than the white keys🎹🎶
It is, as you said, slimmer and perhaps it is slightly harder to push the white key very close to the fulcrum than for GHS. It is significantly lighter than for PX-S1100 though. The action is not necessarily lighter (as my number show) but a bit more shallower and with slightly harder bottom. It does not differ much from GHS. The action is quieter than GHS (I had to increase the gain in my microphone amp). I like it more than I thought I would. I will keep it.
@@mfurman ok now I really can't wate to try one out for my self. Is the MSRP higher than the P125?🎹🎶
@@MERCEDES-BENZS600GUARD_V12 It is $745 in the US and $900 CAD in Canada. P-125 is C$800 in Canada (although Best Buy has a special of C$750).
@@mfurman thanks. Don't know why they desided to make it slimmer though considering the P125 being already prity slimm enough🎹🎶
@@MERCEDES-BENZS600GUARD_V12 Good question. I like the form, I must say. It is similar size to FP-10 (less thick).
is fingerprint visible on the surface of the keys? what about p125?
The keys look the same as for P-125. They are shiny and get scratched easily. I usually play with clean hands so I do not have problems with finger prints (I even dry my hands if I play long). 😊
If I am playing with headphones, do you think this noise would be disruptive to housemates in another room?
Thanks for doing the test!
No, this is probably the quietest action I have tested. I also mostly practice using headphones. Please keep in mind that I pressed the keys to induce as much noise as possible. It is usually the return to the resting position of the key that creates most noise.
@@mfurman It's sort of similar to the rebound 'clack' or click noise of the Roland PHA4 action or is it significantly quieter?
@@m3rc743 It is significantly quieter. It is one of the quietest action I ever tested.
Excuse me, Yamaha or Rolland, for touching tuts ?
Could you please clarify? 😊
I want to play the piano, is this model suitable for starting and learning?
Yes, it very much is. 😊
@@mfurman thank you man🌹🙋
Yesterday I tried the same model in a shop and the action was quieter as what I hear here in the video.
The action is quiet - the quietest of all I have tested and the character of this noise is not obtrusive. Please do not forget that I used a high sensitivity microphone and that I played the way that creates more noise than if I played normally. I wanted to hear what type of noise it was. Check my video with Roland FP-10 (PHA-4) action 😊
@@mfurman thank you very much for the comprehensive review!
Grazie Michael per questi dettagli, hai provaro casio px s1100? trovo che suoni veramente molto bene nel registro dei medi come pure l' EP piano. la tastiera del p125 non mi ha mai convinto. Proverò questo anche in confronto con px s1100.
Do you mean the level of action noise, sound quality or piano action? I cannot say much about sound because I did not pay enough attention to differences. All I can say that I liked the main piano sound of Casio PX-S1100. The action of PX-S is more noisy than GHC and the white keys are more difficult to push close to the fulcrum.
Here are my notes:
Middle C (C4) - ~61g
C7 - 55g
C6 - less than 60g
C2 - ~65g
C3 - slightly higher than 60g
C4# - 40g - 60g (middle of black key)
I considered PX-S1100 but I like P-225 better (and it also has Digital Audio Interface that is important for me)
Michael
@@mfurman Molte grazie Michael, ciao.
Listening during RUclips reviews, I find the Casio PX-S piano patches wonderful, maybe the best of all brands. How this translates to playing experience, I don't yet know. The fulcrum issue would worry me a little if I were buying any DP with a compact action as my main instrument.
@@Zoco101 To be honest with you, I do not ever buy digital pianos because of their sounds. I use piano VSTs (always better than what could be done in any digital piano costing less than $2000) and only pay attention to the action. How you choose piano action depends on the type of music you play and if you also play acoustic grand piano for practice.
Michael
@@mfurman Well said! Other players/students might have different applications/priorities, but you have highlighted some pertinent issues, the grand piano issue in particular. Where you are coming from makes a huge difference. An experienced played needs a quick responsive action, and the force required should approximate what he/she is used to.
Thinking about actions today, I realised that any DP with a weighted action will serve a complete beginner, and for at least several years, but as their ears develop perhaps more quickly than their technique, they still need to be inspired by the sound. This is where certain lesser brands (with more cheesy effect than tone) can let a student down pretty badly.
As a child, I hugged my (family) upright piano. I loved its sound and its vibration, even before I could play much. Fortunately, it had an excellent tone.
Hi! I am near to buy px1100 or p125 for classical learning, what would you advice me according your big experiences.... thanks a lot
Are you a Keyboardist or beginer? Means what's your level of playing on keyboard currently?
Normally I would say to ask your prospective teacher, but I suspect that many teachers are currently behind on the technology. If you've never played a piano before (one with a convincing action) then any DP with a weighted action should be good enough for the first few years. If it's an obscure brand, the tone might let you down a bit. The Casio PX-S1100, the Yamaha P-125, the Roland FP-30X and the Kawai ES-120 should all be excellent for any classical piano beginner (and probably even an intermediate student) but most players would agree that the FP-30X has the best action of these four instruments.
Which has the best sound? That's very subjective. For me, maybe the Casio PX-S1100, but I usually buy Yamaha because I get on so well with Yamaha instruments.
IMO the Yamaha P-225 is only worth buying if it's a similar price to the P-125 where you are. You can save money by buying a P-121 which has only 73 keys, but has the same action and functionality as the P-125. 88 keys are only needed by advanced players or for playing duets. Supposedly, some teachers favour an instrument with optional duet mode. If you won't be receiving lessons by a teacher at your own instrument, you do not need 88 keys.
Update: The P-125/125a/121 have all disappeared from my supplier's catalogue, so I guess they are all deleted models now. Fortunately, the P-225 has come down in price, even here in Europe, but the FP-30X, PX-S1100 & Kawai ES120 still seem slightly better deals to me, based on my brief testing (P-225 and FP-30X in showrooms) and watching many reviews on all four models.
I don't see how can that matters...
Do your mean the level of action noise? It matters because some digital piano actions can be very clicky and bouncy. Check my video with the noise of FP-10 PHA-4 piano action (it had some lubrication issues). It is not just the noise - you can feel it when playing (especially some longer, slow pieces such as Prelude No.1 in C Major by J.S. Bach). It can be distracting. If you listen to reviews of P-225 you realize that GHC’s low noise is emphasized. I currently have Roland RD-08 and its PHA-4 action is very nice.
I realize that some may say that acoustic piano action can be noisy too but it does not really matter because (unless you have a hybrid piano) the sound of acoustic piano is almost always louder than the noise.
By the way, I regularly play on Yamaha C7 grand piano and I fully understand the action noise differences.
It is a different situation with digital piano, especially when it is played very quietly. I almost always practice at home with my headphones and my wife sometimes commented about noise coming from the keys.
Michael
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I wish you could do the same test with p225 and p125 side by side so we can hear the difference
I currently do not have P-125. I did additional tests and measurements that led me to believe that the pivot length of GHS is not really longer that the pivot length of GHC. There is relatively little difference between the feel of these two actions and I can assure you that GHC is less clicky. Otherwise there is no advantage of P-125A over P-225 digital piano. P-125A does not have Digital Audio Interface and even if P-125 does have it, its bit depth is only 16 bit. P-125 does not have Bluetooth Audio. The only advantage of P-125 is that it has upward facing speakers - it may provide better sound experience.
I could once again record the sound of P-225 action using iPhone microphones this time. I can do some other tests for you as well.
Michael
@@mfurman It's quite possible that there are variations between individual units of such inexpensive pianos, but the P225 I ordered on Amazon as an upgrade to my 125 went back to the seller at lightning speed, precisely because of the difference in the keybed action. The P225 I bought had an action that was decidedly "wrong," attributable not so much to a general hardness or softness of touch but to the overall key travel and the relationship between initial resistance and the key's full travel. My P125, while having an action that's barely acceptable, is still far more natural to the touch than this P225. In my opinion, this GHC is the worst keybed among all those used by Yamaha in their digital pianos over the years (I've been using Yamaha for 30 years).
@@robertomezzatesta I agree with you - GHC is very springy and unnatural in response. I prefer GHS and interestingly I found it to be the best in old P-45 (I tested three different P-45 pianos).
I had some P-125 that had problems with some keys (unnatural heaviness) and one of my PHA-4 action piano gradually increased its action heaviness in time to the point of being unplayable.
@@mfurman Exactly, and I also agree on old vs. new GHS. I also prefer GH to any of the GHS implementations (but this is just my preference). For sure there could have been silent revisions (or changes in materials) of any keybed. To be truthful, I think that Yamaha screwed this new portable piano series (don't know about the 525 though)and I just hope that they will never use GHC again.
@@robertomezzatesta I actually like GrandTouch-S action (I have a short video about its noise - it is a bit louder than GHC and I think I recorded one piece in it as well).
I have to admit that even though I very much liked P-525, I returned it because I decided to try to learn to play on Hammond Organ that I will get soon. I needed funds (and space) for it so I will be mostly practicing piano on Yamaha C7, that I have regular access to, and I got a cheap P-45 (it became available again with very low price) for home practice (using piano VSTs).
Cheers,
Michael