Yeah, it was so hard to get to see Part 1 at the cinema. It had such a short run. I just streamed it, and it was amazing. I can't wait to see Part 2. Cannot understand some of the critics responses, I thought it was riveting.
Part 2 will go straight to streaming and 3 and 4 will never get made. I have to point out that the state of the movie industry saddens me. A lot of good quality films are flopping - people just don't want to leave the house anymore (with a few rare exceptions ). As long as films go right to streaming, nobody is going to the theater anymore.
They already finished 3, but its increasingly unlikely that chapter 4 will happen if Costner's outside resources stop giving him money. He may have to put up all the money himself for the last one, which means he will have spent an upwards of 100 M or more by the end of this saga.
The money they spent on 3 has already been burned at this point, so the filming they are doing in August may be delayed or reworked to end the series. If not, Costner will have embarrassed himself with the giant loss of money and a vanity project that wasn't even completed. At least Coppola only made one film and sold off his wine company so he wouldn't have to bet on Megalopolis being a sucsess.
I only went and seen it in theater because it wasn’t available to stream. I didn’t care what it’s about. Obviously it’s about the American west judging the trailers. It’s really good even though it’s not really about one thing. It’s several stories in a hard time of our United States history. These stories are probably gonna intersect if all the films happen. However, probably would be better as a series rather than long individual films.
@@Will_Roose They shut down production on part #3 back in May after only 13 days of shooting. It's Over. Why would anyone throw another $100 million at a movie that's going to flop again?
Flops like this redeem others like Black Adam and the last Fast film. $11M opening weekend is crazy! Bottom line: this should've been released on a streaming platform.
I'm not sure why critics are killing this movie. My only issue, and it's not even really an issue for me, is that it feels more like an epic TV series more so than a movie theater experience, but other than that, I thought it was really good. We need more well done westerns, it's an under explored genre presently.
I saw it and liked it for the most part. But, what kept gnawing at me was the episodic nature of the film and how in this day and age this whole Horizon project would have been better suited as a limited series. On tv, this would have been a bigger hit than Yellowstone. With four films, you could break that down into a 12 episode season that would have fit into a nice spot between Yellowstone and Deadwood(the best western series ever). It’s not too late to retool Horizon into a series and salvage the lost revenue. Costner needs to pivot. Less vanity, more sanity.
Imagine enjoying Red Dead Redemption so much you don't even go see this movie, ykno you people are gonna have to come out of your comfort pop culture zones, it's an American western with an all star cast not a Christopher Nolan project, I love me a good western and this movie did not disappoint, just rhe standards of the American viewer/consumer disappoints me just look at what else is getting more recognition than this film.
yea i went to see the ghost movie and before it started costner and the head of marcus theaters were on screen sitting there and at no point did he ever even say what the movies about its just an old american western and im like yea nope
@@spicymemes7458 while I understand actors hubris and egos, when I heard him talk about the movie, he said he understood it was a risk. This was an idea he had after dances with wolves but never got to make it. And it was his dream project. Certainly the business is what it is, but Costner loves the American West.
@@stoicnative1187 I'll grant you that. I do think maybe he should have waited to see if anyone would take the first part before filming and releasing a second part back to back.
@@spicymemes7458 I can agree with that. But I guess I was in the minority as someone who was sold on the project, a 4 part epic western. I was going to watch them both in the theater. I guess I am bummed that they are pulling it from the theater as someone who enjoyed part 1 and was invested in namely the Native American storyline.
I thought it was a good movie. Slow at parts but it's complex weaving stories together. They showed highlights for part 2 at the end and it looks WAAAAY better than part 1.
Saw Chapter 1 last evening and the movie was incredibly deep! Hoping Part 2 comes back to theatres sooner than later! Didn’t see a single ad but saw the trailer and was sold. The film did not disappoint. It does require patience, attention, and thought. Who woulda known those skills would pay off when watching a movie (sarcasm); this world has gone done lost its damn mind and almost all civility.
I wish John would get his facts straight on this movie. The $100 million is for Chapter I and Chapter II (Variety is wrong), and Costner and his investors paid for everything EXCEPT distribution. Costner (and investors) paid for the marketing too, not Warners/New Line. So the studio has lost very little because they’ve invested very little.
Correct. Starting to feel a pattern here. Huge fan of this revival of westerns/western genre and man.. what a let down with Yellowstone this gripping story line.. pacing is great then STOP. And still not out 😂 and that’s concluding the show. It’s wildly disappointing. This movie was fucking great super slept on but again taking a pause.. idk seems odd
I hope it does get a release date, and also that parts 3 & 4 get made. I enjoyed the movie, but can also see where people have issue with it. I would hope that eventually all 4 get made as i can see it being well-recieved once its fully released.
My wife and I are huge Costner fans too. After Dances With Wolves, we figured it’d be along those lines, i.e. good. And it ain’t that. Too many plot lines, not enough connection, too many characters to bother getting invested in one, or two. The movie makes no sense. This could/should have been a series with that many characters to at least let it flush out. But I don’t want to walk out of a movie going “well I need to watch the next one now to figure this out.”
It is an absolute disgrace to hear that Horizon part 2 is being pulled from Cinemas. Cheap shot ,so called Critics win for now but in time it will be seen that Horizon is an Epic Movie event. People should goʻ to the Cinema and be their own Critic. I am heartily sorry for Costner, he made a movie I wanted to see. I was not disappointed. Time Critics got the heave. And stop listening to Rotten Tomatoes..
@@sungeigerong1 I saw it twice. It is a flawed masterpiece and somewhat of slow burn. Horizon films must be seen on the big screen but it is not going to happen now.
@@brucef310 the market for westerns are small. Big name actors are not enough to sell them. Even in this modern era. This movie wouldn’t seat anyone even if Jenna Ortega was in the lead role. People are not interested in watching 3 hour westerns in the theater. Killers of the flower moon had decorated names attached to it, Scorsese and Dicaprio. Got good reviews etc, 200 million dollar budget. 156 million box office intake. They should’ve carefully assessed the viewership of the series on paramount plus before considering making them into films.
I enjoyed Part 1, but it was somewhat drawn out - i mean slow. I am looking forward to Part 2 but as i understand that as it was made off the back of part 1 - no reason to assume it will pick up tempo or change its format - if so then i can understand why there may be no Part 3.
I saw Part 1 and it is a good movie, you need to understand that Part 1 lays the foundation to the additional upcoming parts. I am disappointed that they are holding up Part 2.
You dont wsnt to accept the truth thst this Movie let the generation kn ow what really happen to the American Dream turn upside down because of corruption even the american Citizen
I feel you would either love or hate this movie, you would more likely love it if you are a western fan and have a good attention span and memory. I don’t think it’s made for everybody, I think rather it is a homage to the Western Genre in general. I loved it in my opinion, but I can understand some of the criticism.
I can’t believe that Horizon An American Saga Chapter 2 was delayed. I really loved Chapter 1 and always been a western fan. I was looking forward to see Chapter 2 in August. I don’t know people don’t care about these movies. I really hope things will work out and Chapter 2 will release soon.
Im buumed out ! I really wanted to see chapter 2 for my birthday 😢 weekend . Its this new era of youngsters that cant appreciate long westerns ( they want 15 second videos like their tik toks ). THE DOLLAR TRILOGY With clint eastwood were long and great films , Once Upon a Time in the West also a Sergio Leone classic LONG movie . Recently also Dances with Wolves was a classic and long . Horizon was great !!!! Yes long but SUCH A great western and im adding it to my western library ! Also the historical accuracy of how the indigenous were robbed by their land
I saw very little marketing for it. The one trailer I saw in a theater and it looked interesting but it felt like a first trailer, and I needed to see another one to know what it was about, but I never saw one. So, I waited to see if there was any buzz or if the critics liked it and neither happened. I have other movies to see with my time
I don't get it. I've seen this movie twice now and I love it. I guess when you rely on other people for YOUR opinion you get a bunch of ney sayers who never saw.
There's nothing to get. Horizon did "okay" for those first 3 days, then it just fell off and people stopped buying tickets. It's playing right now on 3300 screen but those theaters are Empty.
Well said. Why not go see the movie for yourself and form your own opinion? Is everybody scared they’ll enjoy something that’s not pushing a tired narrative?
Mmkay. Saw it myself solely cause I saw that this was costners dream project and thought I’d give it a chance. Not a good movie. Ending? Doesn’t exist. Inexcusable regardless if the real ending is two movies away. Story stretches itself way too far. Too many characters, most of which I gave zero fucks about and have no idea why I need to see their story. Certainly has its moments where it gets interesting. The brothers in particular were by far the most interesting/entertaining arc
Part 1 was incredible.. if you are a western fan you will love it .. John is obviously not a western fan and does not know what a good movie is .. but I do agree the release for the second part is too soon
6 weeks between parts is to fast. Release second part in October and make from other plan two movies three movies. If can choose earlier ending in second part to make it 144 minutes then other 20 minutes are first 20 minutes of part three.
Oh my god, I'm surprised I didn't notice what they're doing. If this does well on streaming and VOD, they'll just release it on Max instead of theaters.
I find your claim to be quite hard to believe since the basic math of dividing the meager weekend box office grosses generated by Horizon by the thousands of theater screens that the movie is playing on, literally shows that in many cases a dozen, or maybe as many as 20 moviegoers, are actually buying tickets for the average Horizon showing.
@mrb0775 it was a matinee show on a Sunday morning. It might literally be the only showing that sold like that. It's audience is going to be on the older side. But also, Madison WI has some oddly dedicated movie audiences sometimes. Dune 2 had half full theaters for what felt like over a month.
Hasn’t seen the movie and enjoys dancing on its grave. Unfortunately, as the attitude for most people is now to just “wait for streaming” - we will get what we deserve in movie theaters (endless blockbuster sequels and nothing original).
I saw the movie Monday and the theater was 2/3 full in the afternoon. I liked it and I read the reviews first, most 5 star. The only few that didn’t like it, thought the story lines didn’t connect. I’m thinking by part 2 they will start to come together. It’s not for ppl who want instant gratification!
Maybe most people are just tired of seeing an actor with a heavy California accent in every characger he plays, recites his lines with a monotone like he's reading them straight from the script, and plays cowboys even though he never had a horse until he became famous.
Its too bad, because I saw the trailer during Furiosa and thought it looked like a classic epic western. But, since nobody saw Furiosa thats even less hype it could have had. Not sure what's going on with modern audiences lately. Like how much time can you sit cooped up in ur house, avoiding a good time out and real people. I don't get it. Lol
You have to keep in mind that people these days are selective in the movies they choose to see. Barbie, Oppenheimer were hits last year, before that it was Top Gun Maverick in 2022. Bad Boys surpassed everyone's expectations just a couple of weeks ago and it's a hit. Are people still checking for Kevin Costner like that? I cant' remember the last time I saw him in a blockbuster hit. Was it The BodyGuard with Whitney Houston?
I had to wait until the last day of Horizon showing to watch it, because all the showtimes for before were packed in my city. Yet, the first Captain Marvel made a billion dollars which I don't believe those numbers at all, till this day. Hollywood doing shady stuff, not surprised. I wonder who Kevin Costner made angry?
The western fans who Kevin Costner made angry were those who like exciting and beautifully filmed westerns like 2007's "3:10 to Yuma" and 1992's "Unforgiven", which are movies that both managed to have fully developed plots & characters in run times of about 2 hrs each. But Horizon Part 1 failed at doing a decent job of developing either of those important aspects of a movie in its 3 HOUR run time. And that's why Horizon is a huge box office bomb!
@@mrb0775 I disagree. Horizon isn't a character study, its an odyssey. I understood that from the trailers. The film has its own style, there's really nothing to compare it to. I didn’t find the movie long at all, each scene did what it needed to and moved on. The characters are charming and well portrayed. Its not a film trying to reinvent anything nor is it trying to be the greatest western of all time. Y'all hating on this film as if it attacked your character or something. Because the way critics are seething about the movie, this is why I'm thinking Kevin Costner angered somebody in Hollywood.
Kevin certainly made all those Yellowstone fans angry when quit their show in the last half of the final season. That was a bad move. He should've come back for an episode or two to give John Dutton some kind of an ending.
Same for Top Gun 2 you can argue. The old saying "everything old is new again" comes to mind. There were no big Western epics in years and Costner was banking on those people who were craving something else than the usual campy and dumb comic book films.
It was a really good movie and I can not wait to see the 2nd and 3rd and not much of a fan if you have not seen Horizon yet. Costner also said he always knew that Horizon would make most of its money in the ancillary market.
I didn't hear about Horizon until last week. Plus I want to see it today to let my aunt know if it is worth watching. Since you couldn't see it with me
Do you want my real opinion or are you just saying that? If you do here it is. I'm furious. I understand that financially it didn't make much moony so they got scared. That does not make it ok that they pulled this one and there are no updates and we are two days out from the original date. This movie is long and a bit slow but I don't care because it's really good. I understand that the marketing was bad but just because the marketing team failed does not automatically mean the movie is bad.
Thank goodness! The first one was waaaaay too long and I couldn't tell you what the plot was. Even my husband who LOVES westerns already said that he wouldn't see part 2 in the theater.
I have said it before….John comes off as a very pompous person ! I watched the movie yesterday and it’s not for everyone but it’s a good movie. Your attention span has to be up there to really understand this movie. I can’t wait for part two.
Sad.. Costner invested $30+m of his own money into this one! If you say you like the movie, then go support it with your wallet, otherwise less and less movies like that will be done. One of the few ones nowadays where you can see the natural scenery, not the green screen animation.
We didn’t talk about the movie. At all. We talked about the business, marketing, release strategy and context surrounding the movie. Please tell me you’re intelligent enough to know the difference.
This movie was incredible. My theater was packed on a rainy Tuesday at noon. I am honestly shocked the film is a flop considering the turnout I saw in person.
I liked the movie, but here in LA, every time I checked the cinemas to buy tickets, I'd be either the only person there or one of the 2/3 seats being sold.
I'm a Kevin Costner fan since "American Flyers". I just watched Horizon 1, today on 10/4/2024 on Prime. I liked it, and I want more❣️ Though the movie was all over the place & drawn out, while setting up the characters & plot. I'm disappointed & a bit raged regarding the fate of the other chapters. Now I wished I didn't watch it at all! Also, I feel burned of my time, especially when lately a saga comes along and it's incomplete! Sorry they're loosing money as some of the viewers now have lost precious time in their own lives. Sorry 😞 💔 👎
I been meaning to watch it in theaters but I keep seeing inconvenient showings & with the movie being 3 freaking hours long making it difficult for me to commit time
I would think there best option woukd be selling the rights to these fillms to a streaming service like a Apple + inxluding maybe a option to finance the addl film at a future date. What could make sense is having someone edit these 2 three hr films into a 5 or 6 episode series that drops every week.
I must admit that I have not had a chance to see the movie yet. I did note that in my area, it is hard to find a place that is running the movie more than once or twice in a day. To echo what a few others have said, I believe that a lot of Yellowstone fans are really angry with him. Regardless of the real story as to who screwed whom regarding the delays with Yellowstone's production and story line, people will associate all of the drama about whether Costner was or was not going to appear. Make no mistake, Costner was great in the role of John Dutton, but nothing Costner has said has made the Yellowstone situation any better. I would not be surprised in any way if they continued the role of John Dutton slipping in Josh Lucas in Costner's role. Lucas already portrayed the character at a younger age, so it is not a stretch. The other thing that may be detracting from people going to see Horizon part 1 is the length. Going three hours can be harder for some of the older population who are most likely to go see it. The other issue is that I seem to recall a similar tv series chronicling the journey of the early settlers traveling and relocating to the Wild West. Oh yeah, that series 1883... I think there is the risk that people may also tune out as they wonder if parts 2-4 will actually come to fruition. It may come down to Costner approaching Apple, Netflix, or Amazon in order to sell it to them, and then proceed in a mini-series format, or a complete series. History should have demonstrated a few things to Costner. I remember his version of Wyatt Earp and Kurt Russell's version of Wyatt Earp in Tombstone. No contest as to which one was more popular. Kurt Russell was totally the version of Wyatt Earp I would watch over and over again. It is likely too late for Costner to salvage anything from Yellowstone, or Horizon. Now if Sheridan wanted to really mess with Costner, he would go back and reshoot every scene with Costner as Dutton, with Josh Lucas as Dutton. That is not likely to happen, but Costner needs to win over the folks who are ticked off at him about Yellowstone, right or wrong.
Even if the first Horizon was a massive hit, releasing the sequel that close to the original is just dumb. Imagine if _Endgame_ was released *six weeks* after _Infinity War._ It would’ve decimated the final box office earnings of Infinity War
I saw chapter 1 on Sunday and was disappointed. I too am a Costner fan and went because i was expecting another epuc western from him. There are too many storylines jammed together with no common thread. Even if part 2 is released i probably wont go see it. Maybe when they both pop up in the bargain bin at Walmart I'll give them another try
The common thread is that at some point, all the events will converge onto the Horizon land. That's why at least one character from each plotline had the poster or a piece of the poster. I think the flaw is that this didn't feel like a movie experience. It felt more like an epic miniseries meant for streaming or tv. If you split this up into 3, one hour episodes, it would've made more sense to people, and would've been easier for people to follow.
@@patmccrotch5373and they wouldn't have to wait months to see the other parts of the story, or in this case not see the other parts because the first film didn't do well. Wtf was Costner thinking
@@jimmycakes7158 yeah to try to release these in theaters was a pretty crazy plan, but I still enjoyed the first part a lot, I just wouldn't go to a theater to watch it. Hopefully it picks up some kind of momentum streaming and they just release the rest that way so we can eventually watch it in one long shot, binge style.
Just watched the first one and liked it. I thought they were going to pull all the stories together to tie them into that town they're building but I guess not
They should have made both at the same time or just one epic film. Why make half a story its dumb. Will be more expensive to go through it all again in set up cost when they didnt need to if they focused on a complete story in 1 go
They're filming the final episodes of Yellowstone like right now. That cast and crew must be laughing so hard right now hearing these Horizon nuggets of karma dropping for the past 2 weeks.
Movie is not out in rest of the world. Some EU countries have it in cinema. Me and the boys, want to see it in Belgium. But cant. No in cinema, not on vod. I can see the vod page. But not available in your region. Well fuck. I love westerns. Not than Belgium is a big market, but all little things help, for second movie to release.
$22 million over ten days?? The odd thing is,.. There's this whole cottage industry on youtube thats CONSTANTLY declaring that either one, or both Star Wars or the "M-SHE-U' are 'Dead",..LOL! I mean there's literally HOURS of content across various channels that love to use clickbait thumbnails with the word "DISASTER" in full caps to describe whatever Disney is doing at the moment. And Yet,..nothing Disney has done has failed on this scale!! More people will have watched all of The Acolyte" then will have seen Horizon in its first ten days of theatrical release.. the MCU movie "The Marvels" didnt flop this hard when it was released last November. Horizon is a quality film,.(IMHO) ive seen in and think its a flawed but powerful first chapter and im nOT even a fan of Yellowstone,,.LoL! I was going to write some silly , snide comment about modern western fans being far too busy wearing red MAGA hats to go watch this,.but that really not the problem with this movie. I think it was poorly advertised and probably shouldve been released over say,.Thanksgiving and hopefully its audience will give it some stronger word of mouth in its secondary market release so we can see the rest of this story.
Dont care what u say u havent even seen the film. Movie eas great and so annoyed they did this. I haye people eith smug attitude. Havebt even seen it but still trash it.
@@travisgray8376 then you should try to listen better to what other people are saying, because John never said that the movie was terrible, he said that the marketing campaign was terrible and that the box office was terrible, which are both facts, he never spoke about the quality of the film itself
Yeah, it was so hard to get to see Part 1 at the cinema. It had such a short run. I just streamed it, and it was amazing. I can't wait to see Part 2. Cannot understand some of the critics responses, I thought it was riveting.
I'm one of the 14 people that went to see it. I liked it. Was looking forward to the next one. I'm hoping to see it in theaters.
I thought first film was cool as hell
Part 2 will go straight to streaming and 3 and 4 will never get made. I have to point out that the state of the movie industry saddens me. A lot of good quality films are flopping - people just don't want to leave the house anymore (with a few rare exceptions ). As long as films go right to streaming, nobody is going to the theater anymore.
They already finished 3, but its increasingly unlikely that chapter 4 will happen if Costner's outside resources stop giving him money. He may have to put up all the money himself for the last one, which means he will have spent an upwards of 100 M or more by the end of this saga.
@@Will_Roose I wonder if they will change part 3 so that the story comes to an end with that chapter.
The money they spent on 3 has already been burned at this point, so the filming they are doing in August may be delayed or reworked to end the series. If not, Costner will have embarrassed himself with the giant loss of money and a vanity project that wasn't even completed. At least Coppola only made one film and sold off his wine company so he wouldn't have to bet on Megalopolis being a sucsess.
I only went and seen it in theater because it wasn’t available to stream. I didn’t care what it’s about. Obviously it’s about the American west judging the trailers. It’s really good even though it’s not really about one thing. It’s several stories in a hard time of our United States history. These stories are probably gonna intersect if all the films happen. However, probably would be better as a series rather than long individual films.
@@Will_Roose They shut down production on part #3 back in May after only 13 days of shooting. It's Over. Why would anyone throw another $100 million at a movie that's going to flop again?
Flops like this redeem others like Black Adam and the last Fast film. $11M opening weekend is crazy! Bottom line: this should've been released on a streaming platform.
The movie was sick i loved it. Hope chapter 2 comes out.
Saw Horizon 1 Sat night and loved it. This news makes me sad.
Horizon part 1 was AMAZING ,IT IS A MUST SEE !!!
OMG THEY HAVE GOT TO RELEASE PART 2
I'm not sure why critics are killing this movie. My only issue, and it's not even really an issue for me, is that it feels more like an epic TV series more so than a movie theater experience, but other than that, I thought it was really good. We need more well done westerns, it's an under explored genre presently.
I saw it and liked it for the most part. But, what kept gnawing at me was the episodic nature of the film and how in this day and age this whole Horizon project would have been better suited as a limited series. On tv, this would have been a bigger hit than Yellowstone. With four films, you could break that down into a 12 episode season that would have fit into a nice spot between Yellowstone and Deadwood(the best western series ever). It’s not too late to retool Horizon into a series and salvage the lost revenue. Costner needs to pivot. Less vanity, more sanity.
Imagine enjoying Red Dead Redemption so much you don't even go see this movie, ykno you people are gonna have to come out of your comfort pop culture zones, it's an American western with an all star cast not a Christopher Nolan project, I love me a good western and this movie did not disappoint, just rhe standards of the American viewer/consumer disappoints me just look at what else is getting more recognition than this film.
I , that was ranked 5 over all world wide in the first Red Dead Redemption, love this film 🎥🍿. Love the RDR vibes 😘 🤠🏹🔫❤.
The hubris of Kevin Costner with regard to how badly he overestimated this project has been astonishing to say the least
yea i went to see the ghost movie and before it started costner and the head of marcus theaters were on screen sitting there and at no point did he ever even say what the movies about its just an old american western and im like yea nope
@@rickymorphew2245 Greg Marcus had more of a reason to be on the screen than Kevin Costner lol
@@spicymemes7458 while I understand actors hubris and egos, when I heard him talk about the movie, he said he understood it was a risk. This was an idea he had after dances with wolves but never got to make it. And it was his dream project. Certainly the business is what it is, but Costner loves the American West.
@@stoicnative1187 I'll grant you that. I do think maybe he should have waited to see if anyone would take the first part before filming and releasing a second part back to back.
@@spicymemes7458 I can agree with that. But I guess I was in the minority as someone who was sold on the project, a 4 part epic western. I was going to watch them both in the theater. I guess I am bummed that they are pulling it from the theater as someone who enjoyed part 1 and was invested in namely the Native American storyline.
I thought it was a good movie. Slow at parts but it's complex weaving stories together. They showed highlights for part 2 at the end and it looks WAAAAY better than part 1.
it was pretty good i'm not gonna lie
Saw Chapter 1 last evening and the movie was incredibly deep! Hoping Part 2 comes back to theatres sooner than later! Didn’t see a single ad but saw the trailer and was sold. The film did not disappoint. It does require patience, attention, and thought. Who woulda known those skills would pay off when watching a movie (sarcasm); this world has gone done lost its damn mind and almost all civility.
Me too
I wish John would get his facts straight on this movie. The $100 million is for Chapter I and Chapter II (Variety is wrong), and Costner and his investors paid for everything EXCEPT distribution. Costner (and investors) paid for the marketing too, not Warners/New Line. So the studio has lost very little because they’ve invested very little.
It would’ve done better if he just finished Yellowstone and also 1883 and 1923 still waiting wtf
Correct. Starting to feel a pattern here. Huge fan of this revival of westerns/western genre and man.. what a let down with Yellowstone this gripping story line.. pacing is great then STOP. And still not out 😂 and that’s concluding the show. It’s wildly disappointing. This movie was fucking great super slept on but again taking a pause.. idk seems odd
the snickering peanut gallery on this show is getting on my nerves. is that your value add here? ditto inventing snide comments?
I really enjoyed it. I hope they find a way to finish the story on a streamer.
I hope it does get a release date, and also that parts 3 & 4 get made. I enjoyed the movie, but can also see where people have issue with it. I would hope that eventually all 4 get made as i can see it being well-recieved once its fully released.
My wife and I are huge Costner fans too. After Dances With Wolves, we figured it’d be along those lines, i.e. good. And it ain’t that.
Too many plot lines, not enough connection, too many characters to bother getting invested in one, or two. The movie makes no sense. This could/should have been a series with that many characters to at least let it flush out. But I don’t want to walk out of a movie going “well I need to watch the next one now to figure this out.”
Its a Great film
It is an absolute disgrace to hear that Horizon part 2 is being pulled from Cinemas. Cheap shot ,so called Critics win for now but in time it will be seen that Horizon is an Epic Movie event. People should goʻ to the Cinema and be their own Critic. I am heartily sorry for Costner, he made a movie I wanted to see. I was not disappointed. Time Critics got the heave. And stop listening to Rotten Tomatoes..
This film is a masterpiece. I saw it 4 times in 8 days and would see it again. Spectacular. Epic. Beautiful. ❤
@@sungeigerong1 I saw it twice. It is a flawed masterpiece and somewhat of slow burn. Horizon films must be seen on the big screen but it is not going to happen now.
Well who in their right mind thought it was a smart investment to put a 3 hour western saga in the theater?
Sounded like a good idea to me especially with Costner in the lead role. It was a great movie.
@@brucef310 the market for westerns are small. Big name actors are not enough to sell them. Even in this modern era. This movie wouldn’t seat anyone even if Jenna Ortega was in the lead role. People are not interested in watching 3 hour westerns in the theater. Killers of the flower moon had decorated names attached to it, Scorsese and Dicaprio. Got good reviews etc, 200 million dollar budget. 156 million box office intake. They should’ve carefully assessed the viewership of the series on paramount plus before considering making them into films.
Costner thought that but he wasn't in his right mind. He was still in his 'The Postman' mind.
Oh it does makes sense but I seen one so I’m so ready to watch chapter 2
I thought Horizon was really good. I can't wait to see Horizon 2.
Most ppl love Costner.
It makes sense since Horizon needs legs. Meaning that it needs people to see it no matter if it’s in theaters, VOD, streaming or physical media.
I am sorry but I guess Kevin knows what he is doing . Kevin is the best regardless! 😢
I enjoyed Part 1, but it was somewhat drawn out - i mean slow. I am looking forward to Part 2 but as i understand that as it was made off the back of part 1 - no reason to assume it will pick up tempo or change its format - if so then i can understand why there may be no Part 3.
Approximately 80% of the movie was booorrrring and drawn out.
There was about forty minutes in the middle that was alright, but that was all.
I saw Part 1 and it is a good movie, you need to understand that Part 1 lays the foundation to the additional upcoming parts.
I am disappointed that they are holding up Part 2.
You dont wsnt to accept the truth thst this Movie let the generation kn ow what really happen to the American Dream turn upside down because of corruption even the american Citizen
Its 50 million per film. 100 million for two films not one.
Campea keeps reporting this falsehood just because Variety printed it - he does no independent research to get the facts right.
Well. He at least has a shot at selling the streaming rights to Netflix.
@@cinemalover4027 exactly. Get the details correct.
I feel you would either love or hate this movie, you would more likely love it if you are a western fan and have a good attention span and memory.
I don’t think it’s made for everybody, I think rather it is a homage to the Western Genre in general. I loved it in my opinion, but I can understand some of the criticism.
Trailers for horizon were like…it’s a vibe, don’t worry about the story
I can’t believe that Horizon An American Saga Chapter 2 was delayed. I really loved Chapter 1 and always been a western fan. I was looking forward to see Chapter 2 in August. I don’t know people don’t care about these movies. I really hope things will work out and Chapter 2 will release soon.
Im buumed out ! I really wanted to see chapter 2 for my birthday 😢 weekend . Its this new era of youngsters that cant appreciate long westerns ( they want 15 second videos like their tik toks ). THE DOLLAR TRILOGY With clint eastwood were long and great films , Once Upon a Time in the West also a Sergio Leone classic LONG movie . Recently also Dances with Wolves was a classic and long . Horizon was great !!!! Yes long but SUCH A great western and im adding it to my western library ! Also the historical accuracy of how the indigenous were robbed by their land
I saw very little marketing for it. The one trailer I saw in a theater and it looked interesting but it felt like a first trailer, and I needed to see another one to know what it was about, but I never saw one. So, I waited to see if there was any buzz or if the critics liked it and neither happened. I have other movies to see with my time
Costner was not going to spend inordinate amount of marketing money on this. He was banking on Yellowstone fans to go see it.
Lets shit on this movie while we watch the 45th superhero movie and 20th pixar movie this year
What??? Who is shitting on this movie? No one has watched it to even defecate on it?,.LoL!
no body is shitting on the movie they are talking about just how absolutly stupid the release stratagy was.
I don't get it. I've seen this movie twice now and I love it. I guess when you rely on other people for YOUR opinion you get a bunch of ney sayers who never saw.
There's nothing to get. Horizon did "okay" for those first 3 days, then it just fell off and people stopped buying tickets. It's playing right now on 3300 screen but those theaters are Empty.
@@daveclark8337 Did you watch It?
Well said. Why not go see the movie for yourself and form your own opinion? Is everybody scared they’ll enjoy something that’s not pushing a tired narrative?
@@daveclark8337 But did you watch it?
Mmkay. Saw it myself solely cause I saw that this was costners dream project and thought I’d give it a chance.
Not a good movie. Ending? Doesn’t exist. Inexcusable regardless if the real ending is two movies away. Story stretches itself way too far. Too many characters, most of which I gave zero fucks about and have no idea why I need to see their story. Certainly has its moments where it gets interesting. The brothers in particular were by far the most interesting/entertaining arc
Part 1 was incredible.. if you are a western fan you will love it .. John is obviously not a western fan and does not know what a good movie is .. but I do agree the release for the second part is too soon
Horizon was soooooo good
How tragic! I can’t wait for part two!
6 weeks between parts is to fast. Release second part in October and make from other plan two movies three movies. If can choose earlier ending in second part to make it 144 minutes then other 20 minutes are first 20 minutes of part three.
Oh my god, I'm surprised I didn't notice what they're doing. If this does well on streaming and VOD, they'll just release it on Max instead of theaters.
I’d like to see it on max.
To Kevin: you’re the best!!
I rather go see Chapter 2 in theaters
I saw the film & enjoyed it but i think it should've been a tv mini series or series
I have a hard time understanding why Costner thought this was suited to cinema, he must have had offers from streaming companies for a tv show
It's weird. I went to go see it on Sunday at 11:30am and it was a full theater.
I find your claim to be quite hard to believe since the basic math of dividing the meager weekend box office grosses generated by Horizon by the thousands of theater screens that the movie is playing on, literally shows that in many cases a dozen, or maybe as many as 20 moviegoers, are actually buying tickets for the average Horizon showing.
@mrb0775 it was a matinee show on a Sunday morning. It might literally be the only showing that sold like that. It's audience is going to be on the older side.
But also, Madison WI has some oddly dedicated movie audiences sometimes. Dune 2 had half full theaters for what felt like over a month.
I just watched the movie and I couldn’t tell you what it was about. I don’t think it was an issue with the ad campaign … they were spot on.
Oh no I want to see chapter2 wtf why
Hasn’t seen the movie and enjoys dancing on its grave. Unfortunately, as the attitude for most people is now to just “wait for streaming” - we will get what we deserve in movie theaters (endless blockbuster sequels and nothing original).
I saw the movie Monday and the theater was 2/3 full in the afternoon. I liked it and I read the reviews first, most 5 star. The only few that didn’t like it, thought the story lines didn’t connect. I’m thinking by part 2 they will start to come together. It’s not for ppl who want instant gratification!
Maybe most people are just tired of seeing an actor with a heavy California accent in every characger he plays, recites his lines with a monotone like he's reading them straight from the script, and plays cowboys even though he never had a horse until he became famous.
I hope they do part 3 and 4 and show it on Max. I love Kevin Costner
I wanted to see where the series was going to go even after a lackluster first installment. Kinda bummed now.
Part 2 is already filmed
It will be out
it was a pretty good movie. These cultists just want costner to obey them
@@Pswayze23
Cultists?
Sure thing there big guy
@@Pswayze23So the people that don’t like what you like are automatically cultists?
@@Pswayze23cry more 😂😂.
Its too bad, because I saw the trailer during Furiosa and thought it looked like a classic epic western. But, since nobody saw Furiosa thats even less hype it could have had.
Not sure what's going on with modern audiences lately. Like how much time can you sit cooped up in ur house, avoiding a good time out and real people. I don't get it. Lol
You have to keep in mind that people these days are selective in the movies they choose to see. Barbie, Oppenheimer were hits last year, before that it was Top Gun Maverick in 2022. Bad Boys surpassed everyone's expectations just a couple of weeks ago and it's a hit. Are people still checking for Kevin Costner like that? I cant' remember the last time I saw him in a blockbuster hit. Was it The BodyGuard with Whitney Houston?
I had to wait until the last day of Horizon showing to watch it, because all the showtimes for before were packed in my city. Yet, the first Captain Marvel made a billion dollars which I don't believe those numbers at all, till this day. Hollywood doing shady stuff, not surprised. I wonder who Kevin Costner made angry?
The western fans who Kevin Costner made angry were those who like exciting and beautifully filmed westerns like 2007's "3:10 to Yuma" and 1992's "Unforgiven", which are movies that both managed to have fully developed plots & characters in run times of about 2 hrs each. But Horizon Part 1 failed at doing a decent job of developing either of those important aspects of a movie in its 3 HOUR run time. And that's why Horizon is a huge box office bomb!
@@mrb0775 I disagree. Horizon isn't a character study, its an odyssey. I understood that from the trailers. The film has its own style, there's really nothing to compare it to. I didn’t find the movie long at all, each scene did what it needed to and moved on. The characters are charming and well portrayed. Its not a film trying to reinvent anything nor is it trying to be the greatest western of all time. Y'all hating on this film as if it attacked your character or something. Because the way critics are seething about the movie, this is why I'm thinking Kevin Costner angered somebody in Hollywood.
Kevin certainly made all those Yellowstone fans angry when quit their show in the last half of the final season. That was a bad move. He should've come back for an episode or two to give John Dutton some kind of an ending.
Just paid for part two on u tube, after watching the trailer advertising it as part two, only to find out I was rebuying part one. Ticked.
Total bummer. Loved the first one. Went in with no expectations just wanting a solid Western and I loved it. It was up my alley
Everyone else
"Who asked for an Agatha show? Who asked for sequel to The Devil Wears Prada"
Me: "Who asked for a new Western movie??"
Same for Top Gun 2 you can argue. The old saying "everything old is new again" comes to mind. There were no big Western epics in years and Costner was banking on those people who were craving something else than the usual campy and dumb comic book films.
It was a really good movie and I can not wait to see the 2nd and 3rd and not much of a fan if you have not seen Horizon yet. Costner also said he always knew that Horizon would make most of its money in the ancillary market.
Didnt even know it was at the cinema, i watched it from home but would have gone to cinema if id known
I didn't hear about Horizon until last week. Plus I want to see it today to let my aunt know if it is worth watching. Since you couldn't see it with me
Do you want my real opinion or are you just saying that? If you do here it is. I'm furious. I understand that financially it didn't make much moony so they got scared. That does not make it ok that they pulled this one and there are no updates and we are two days out from the original date. This movie is long and a bit slow but I don't care because it's really good. I understand that the marketing was bad but just because the marketing team failed does not automatically mean the movie is bad.
Well said, I agree❤
Thank goodness! The first one was waaaaay too long and I couldn't tell you what the plot was. Even my husband who LOVES westerns already said that he wouldn't see part 2 in the theater.
I have said it before….John comes off as a very pompous person ! I watched the movie yesterday and it’s not for everyone but it’s a good movie. Your attention span has to be up there to really understand this movie. I can’t wait for part two.
They gave bad reviews on purpose to try and kill this project i finally watched it and it was absolutely awesome wish i had seen it in theaters
Sad.. Costner invested $30+m of his own money into this one! If you say you like the movie, then go support it with your wallet, otherwise less and less movies like that will be done. One of the few ones nowadays where you can see the natural scenery, not the green screen animation.
This is very disappointing. I was really looking forward to seeing the second part in August.
I love when an “expert” talks about a movie he didn’t actually see.
We didn’t talk about the movie. At all. We talked about the business, marketing, release strategy and context surrounding the movie. Please tell me you’re intelligent enough to know the difference.
This movie was incredible. My theater was packed on a rainy Tuesday at noon. I am honestly shocked the film is a flop considering the turnout I saw in person.
I liked the movie, but here in LA, every time I checked the cinemas to buy tickets, I'd be either the only person there or one of the 2/3 seats being sold.
I don’t watch trailers at all, don’t wanna get any spoilers whatsoever, but at least give some kind of clue
The calculator bit made me laugh so hard 😅
I'm a Kevin Costner fan since "American Flyers". I just watched Horizon 1, today on 10/4/2024 on Prime. I liked it, and I want more❣️ Though the movie was all over the place & drawn out, while setting up the characters & plot. I'm disappointed & a bit raged regarding the fate of the other chapters. Now I wished I didn't watch it at all!
Also, I feel burned of my time, especially when lately a saga comes along and it's incomplete!
Sorry they're loosing money as some of the viewers now have lost precious time in their own lives.
Sorry 😞 💔 👎
Need more time for people to watch part 1 before 2 comes out looks like westerns not popular with cinema age audience...
This whole project should have been a miniseries for MAX.
Just shoot what was suppose to be the third movie and together with the first and second one, recut the whole thing into a 8-9 part 1h mini-series.
It was planned as a 4-movie saga.
the best Robin Hood movie ever besides men in tights parody,
Robin Hood with a heavy California accent was funny as hell.
I been meaning to watch it in theaters but I keep seeing inconvenient showings & with the movie being 3 freaking hours long making it difficult for me to commit time
I would think there best option woukd be selling the rights to these fillms to a streaming service like a Apple + inxluding maybe a option to finance the addl film at a future date.
What could make sense is having someone edit these 2 three hr films into a 5 or 6 episode series that drops every week.
I must admit that I have not had a chance to see the movie yet. I did note that in my area, it is hard to find a place that is running the movie more than once or twice in a day.
To echo what a few others have said, I believe that a lot of Yellowstone fans are really angry with him. Regardless of the real story as to who screwed whom regarding the delays with Yellowstone's production and story line, people will associate all of the drama about whether Costner was or was not going to appear. Make no mistake, Costner was great in the role of John Dutton, but nothing Costner has said has made the Yellowstone situation any better. I would not be surprised in any way if they continued the role of John Dutton slipping in Josh Lucas in Costner's role. Lucas already portrayed the character at a younger age, so it is not a stretch.
The other thing that may be detracting from people going to see Horizon part 1 is the length. Going three hours can be harder for some of the older population who are most likely to go see it. The other issue is that I seem to recall a similar tv series chronicling the journey of the early settlers traveling and relocating to the Wild West. Oh yeah, that series 1883...
I think there is the risk that people may also tune out as they wonder if parts 2-4 will actually come to fruition. It may come down to Costner approaching Apple, Netflix, or Amazon in order to sell it to them, and then proceed in a mini-series format, or a complete series. History should have demonstrated a few things to Costner. I remember his version of Wyatt Earp and Kurt Russell's version of Wyatt Earp in Tombstone. No contest as to which one was more popular. Kurt Russell was totally the version of Wyatt Earp I would watch over and over again.
It is likely too late for Costner to salvage anything from Yellowstone, or Horizon. Now if Sheridan wanted to really mess with Costner, he would go back and reshoot every scene with Costner as Dutton, with Josh Lucas as Dutton. That is not likely to happen, but Costner needs to win over the folks who are ticked off at him about Yellowstone, right or wrong.
Even if the first Horizon was a massive hit, releasing the sequel that close to the original is just dumb. Imagine if _Endgame_ was released *six weeks* after _Infinity War._ It would’ve decimated the final box office earnings of Infinity War
They should have done it in September-November ish
Half of the box office would disappear into dust
Just make it a mini series
I would not be surprised if none of these films didn’t even make 1/16 of Black Adam.
I saw chapter 1 on Sunday and was disappointed. I too am a Costner fan and went because i was expecting another epuc western from him. There are too many storylines jammed together with no common thread. Even if part 2 is released i probably wont go see it. Maybe when they both pop up in the bargain bin at Walmart I'll give them another try
The common thread is that at some point, all the events will converge onto the Horizon land. That's why at least one character from each plotline had the poster or a piece of the poster. I think the flaw is that this didn't feel like a movie experience. It felt more like an epic miniseries meant for streaming or tv. If you split this up into 3, one hour episodes, it would've made more sense to people, and would've been easier for people to follow.
@@patmccrotch5373and they wouldn't have to wait months to see the other parts of the story, or in this case not see the other parts because the first film didn't do well. Wtf was Costner thinking
@@jimmycakes7158 yeah to try to release these in theaters was a pretty crazy plan, but I still enjoyed the first part a lot, I just wouldn't go to a theater to watch it. Hopefully it picks up some kind of momentum streaming and they just release the rest that way so we can eventually watch it in one long shot, binge style.
I Loved The Movie!!! Great Western!!!!! Violet Great Story
Well, I guess Costner should probably have finished Yellowstone
Just watched the first one and liked it. I thought they were going to pull all the stories together to tie them into that town they're building but I guess not
They should have made both at the same time or just one epic film. Why make half a story its dumb. Will be more expensive to go through it all again in set up cost when they didnt need to if they focused on a complete story in 1 go
Sam Worthington is both in the #1 film of all-time and possibly one of the lowest.
Damn thats crazy. But what is Taylor Sheridan's thoughts on this🤔
They're filming the final episodes of Yellowstone like right now. That cast and crew must be laughing so hard right now hearing these Horizon nuggets of karma dropping for the past 2 weeks.
@@daveclark8337 😭😭😭
Movie is not out in rest of the world. Some EU countries have it in cinema. Me and the boys, want to see it in Belgium. But cant. No in cinema, not on vod. I can see the vod page. But not available in your region. Well fuck. I love westerns. Not than Belgium is a big market, but all little things help, for second movie to release.
Yellowstone he pissed off all his fans of Yellowstone by leaving right before Horisont was released
$22 million over ten days??
The odd thing is,..
There's this whole cottage industry on youtube thats CONSTANTLY declaring that either one, or both Star Wars or the "M-SHE-U' are 'Dead",..LOL!
I mean there's literally HOURS of content across various channels that love to use clickbait thumbnails with the word "DISASTER" in full caps to describe whatever Disney is doing at the moment.
And Yet,..nothing Disney has done has failed on this scale!!
More people will have watched all of The Acolyte" then will have seen Horizon in its first ten days of theatrical release.. the MCU movie "The Marvels" didnt flop this hard when it was released last November.
Horizon is a quality film,.(IMHO) ive seen in and think its a flawed but powerful first chapter and im nOT even a fan of Yellowstone,,.LoL!
I was going to write some silly , snide comment about modern western fans being far too busy wearing red MAGA hats to go watch this,.but that really not the problem with this movie.
I think it was poorly advertised and probably shouldve been released over say,.Thanksgiving and hopefully its audience will give it some stronger word of mouth in its secondary market release so we can see the rest of this story.
@@LARKXHIN because it's not shite
who cares
I can’t believe Madam Web will make more money at the box office than Horizon😅
I thought part 1 was fine but I think this might just hurt part 2 even more
Hey john are u gonna actually watch horizon an American Saga Chapter 1 i hope so n I hope u review it too.
Dont care what u say u havent even seen the film. Movie eas great and so annoyed they did this. I haye people eith smug attitude. Havebt even seen it but still trash it.
you don't care but you're butthurt LOL
@@nervenllarena4948 I just hate when people say a movie is terrible but never seen it themselves
@@travisgray8376 facts
@@travisgray8376 then you should try to listen better to what other people are saying, because John never said that the movie was terrible, he said that the marketing campaign was terrible and that the box office was terrible, which are both facts, he never spoke about the quality of the film itself
When he said he wanted to direct and star in Schindler’s List, I kind of lost respect.
what if the producers saw your yesterday show lol