At the 53 second mark you can see at least 5 people not tied off. Plus you can see the ladder in the background with no fall system for people coming up onto the roof
I’m glad I watched your video, I have a big paint job coming up and was definitely thinking I should buy the retractables for areas where we need to be on the roof but after watching this video I’m sticking with the ropes. Thanks again.
I agree I built barns for 30 years and there's no feeling like having a snug rope on you, and adjust as you go down grade. I tried them seat belt type self retractable and it's like not having any support unless you jerk on it and just lean on it that I don't like!!!!! And also prusik knots are your best bet if you Don't have a rope grabber.
Video summary: "Comfort and cost are the deciding factors on harnesses." Would be helpful to weigh safety level in there somewhere, with solid backing numbers other than personal feeling.
I think it can be well argued that the SRLs are safer... the tendency to use the rope lanyards unsafely (ie. extending it too far) is significantly higher. But you do make good points here.. I get it.
Great video If it ain't broke don't fix it. I feel the same way on a roof. I like the tug and the pressure it puts on my body to transfer to my feet. I feel secure and can concentrate on the job at hand.
@@CharleyGBrown Better to ask the video creator not me, but I did want to know too and the best I can reply is google, "Standing Seam Roof Anchor" that seems to be what its called.
is nice when we get to an age when we choose practicality over flash. i know i bought several things over the years because i had seen larger companies doing so, or the thought id look more professional. what makes you look professional is doing the work in a professional manner. no one ever said, "those roofers were great, should have seen all the sweet yo-yos they had, man were they pros". the only time I'd take a yo-yo over rope is when im on scaffolding. there's already enough crap up there, the ropes just cause more confusion. the yo-yo when put up high lines back and isnt in the way. other wise i use rope everytime. do you prefer those nylon though? i just hate the feel of a plasticy rope. i know they're cheaper but i hate gloves and grab my rope alot
What’s the name of the anchor you use? I mean the part that’s directly touching the roof. Can’t seem to find any roof anchors that will fit on metal roofs without doing damage (like asphalt shingle roof anchors) :/
I have a rope grab that works by squeezing the bar to release it. It works when under load but should it be able to allow the rope to be pulled through when the rope is straight and not bent under load when the bar is released? The rig has never been used btw, so no wear.
Your deciding factor was based on money and productivity not safety. I have experience with both and our guys have stumbled on the loose and tangled ropes. The only down side to the retractable is its heavier but like anything else you adapt. Falls are less likely to happen with retractable because there's less room for errors. And an FYI if your worried about not being able to see what's inside extend your retractable all thd way out and inspect it before it reels back in before use.
great video I understand your points, couple things i want to point out vertical lifelines are not rated for leading edge work, in your situation the employees should be in restraint. i would have your fall protection competent person measure out the rope when setting up so the employee can get to the areas without being able to fall and coil the remaining up and use a gear tie on the coil this would prevent them from getting a fall, (make sure they don't tie a knot in the rope). Although i have not seen the user manual for the standing seam roof anchor @ 1:59 the way it is connected on the opposite side of the roof than the user I would bet is not allowed. Not hating on video just wanted to share some knowledge about fall protection.
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe professional rescuers and climbers are still using the rope style systems to safely get the job done and save lives. I have yet to see any retractable type gear in the emergency services and such.
- Didnt watch video, I just wanted to... Read. ~> I have a chimney, do you feel if working on the other side of the roof than it, it would be a - good- idea to tie off to it? Im very jumpy, the 1st time on metal & nobody was around to tell me- hey- rubber soles. I went barefoot thinking there was enough moisture in my feet for traction. Wrong, now Im kind of in 24/7 painful traction, a brick into the spine when I landed. Thanks, Ms. August
What do you call the adjustable metal clip which attaches to the rope and let's you move up and down the rope? Is it a lanyard? We just call it a rope grab but what is the correct name?
ok this shows something ive been looking for, i continue to be bothered by the rope attaching to my back, like over my head, it feels like hard to shingle. How are your guys connected, in the front
I'm not a roofer, but have tree climbing gear. One rope that I use has a Blake's hitch, which is somewhat like a Prusik knot. It's pretty good, but it always tightens up on me. I use a Petzl Zigzag which works really well. I used it when I did my own roof. Easy to adjust. Never fails. I use Cougar Paws boots. Makes a huge difference.
What do you do when the metal roof doesn’t have standing seams to attach an anchor to for the safety harness? Most metal roofs in my area don’t have standing seams, what is the suggestion you have to anchor to something like this? Thank You 👍🏻👍🏻
You may try to use a butterfly style anchor that screws into the wood. You'll have to move them as you install the roof. For doing repair work on existing screw down metal each set up will be a little different as you cant just shoot a butterfly down on top of the existing metal but I can recommend a specialized metal roofing shoe called a cougar paw ruclips.net/video/YSM5WpPl2so/видео.html that will help you move and work on metal. Keep in mind these shoes don't replace fall protection but the do help a lot during set up and break down of ropes and safety lines on existing metal
Many of your guys in this video are not tied off at all. Or using the system improperly (it looks like the guy on the left at 2min 41sec has the end of the rope itself attached to his dorsal d-ring). Rope Vs SRL, comes back to personal preference and/or location... as long as the workers tie off properly and come back home safe and sound at the end of the day, that's what really matter. Thank you for sharing your opinion and encouraging safety!
@@n.g.1577at least 5 people not tied off at the 53 second mark. Hater gonna hate? You have to be tied off and use the stuff correctly, look how high up they are. Would most likely be a fatal fall
@@n.g.1577 I am involved with construction safety. Have had one fatality on a site because no fall protection was used and one person lost all mobility from the waist down on another site. I take fall protection seriously, obviously this company doesn’t, but maybe they are trying. Rules are written in blood, and we have safety rules for a reason. You be a smart as s all you want, but I take being safe especially with fall protection seriously. Real people die every year from this and you are just here mocking.
These safety ropes can have a built in zig zaged webbing pack that unzips in a slow fashion thus the falling object does NOT come to a sudden stop ....... 0:21 ..............
Spend the money on the retractable bro. It's the safest way to keep your guys going home every night. You mentioned cost several times now. Respectfully
Awesome video, thanks for posting it. by the way, one your one guys at 1:17 (black trucker hat) is smoking a cigarette on your customer's property/contruction site must have been missed during edit
This is typical management trying to save a buck. They become a trip hazard because of all the excess rope. Most of the time the user will not adjust and leave the rope long. You aren't supposed to use fall protection to lean on because after doing all the time you compromise the rope. Rope wears down and it is usually continued to be used. Most of the time crews aren't even taught how inspect these ropes properly and if they are inspected properly, they have about 6 job uses on them at most.
I have a feeling this guy doesn't actually work on roofs Retractables are much better ropes are a tripping hazard they get crossed tangled they're pain to pack and unpack and their three times heavier So you went with cost over/safety practicality / and labour intensity /
As an HSE Professional, with a bachelors in OHS and over 10k hrs performing training, audits and management (for various construction trades including roofing), this is simply an outdated and ignorant video. Misleading and wrong.
At the 53 second mark you can see at least 5 people not tied off. Plus you can see the ladder in the background with no fall system for people coming up onto the roof
An excellent argument for the rope...I have a tendency to agree with you, thank you for the enlightenment.
Just showed this to my OSHA class! Thanks!
Great video.! One of the best honest video.!
Great advise! Thank you very much
Thanks for sharing your suggestions.
Thank you very much! Very helpful!
Thank you so much for sharing... I really appreciate this...
I’m glad I watched your video, I have a big paint job coming up and was definitely thinking I should buy the retractables for areas where we need to be on the roof but after watching this video I’m sticking with the ropes. Thanks again.
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This really helped me make a decision. Going with ropes. I've always used ropes but I was considering switching to retractable.
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I agree I built barns for 30 years and there's no feeling like having a snug rope on you, and adjust as you go down grade. I tried them seat belt type self retractable and it's like not having any support unless you jerk on it and just lean on it that I don't like!!!!! And also prusik knots are your best bet if you Don't have a rope grabber.
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How do you call the piece that’s directly attached to the roof (the anchor)? Can’t seem to find some online
@@CharleyGBrownharness anchor, roof anchor? :)
Video summary: "Comfort and cost are the deciding factors on harnesses." Would be helpful to weigh safety level in there somewhere, with solid backing numbers other than personal feeling.
I think it can be well argued that the SRLs are safer... the tendency to use the rope lanyards unsafely (ie. extending it too far) is significantly higher. But you do make good points here.. I get it.
Great video If it ain't broke don't fix it. I feel the same way on a roof. I like the tug and the pressure it puts on my body to transfer to my feet. I feel secure and can concentrate on the job at hand.
How do you call the piece that’s directly attached to the roof (the anchor)? Can’t seem to find some online
@@CharleyGBrown Better to ask the video creator not me, but I did want to know too and the best I can reply is google, "Standing Seam Roof Anchor" that seems to be what its called.
is nice when we get to an age when we choose practicality over flash. i know i bought several things over the years because i had seen larger companies doing so, or the thought id look more professional. what makes you look professional is doing the work in a professional manner. no one ever said, "those roofers were great, should have seen all the sweet yo-yos they had, man were they pros". the only time I'd take a yo-yo over rope is when im on scaffolding. there's already enough crap up there, the ropes just cause more confusion. the yo-yo when put up high lines back and isnt in the way. other wise i use rope everytime. do you prefer those nylon though? i just hate the feel of a plasticy rope. i know they're cheaper but i hate gloves and grab my rope alot
What’s the name of the anchor you use? I mean the part that’s directly touching the roof. Can’t seem to find any roof anchors that will fit on metal roofs without doing damage (like asphalt shingle roof anchors) :/
I have a rope grab that works by squeezing the bar to release it. It works when under load but should it be able to allow the rope to be pulled through when the rope is straight and not bent under load when the bar is released? The rig has never been used btw, so no wear.
Your deciding factor was based on money and productivity not safety. I have experience with both and our guys have stumbled on the loose and tangled ropes. The only down side to the retractable is its heavier but like anything else you adapt. Falls are less likely to happen with retractable because there's less room for errors. And an FYI if your worried about not being able to see what's inside extend your retractable all thd way out and inspect it before it reels back in before use.
Makes sense.
great video I understand your points, couple things i want to point out vertical lifelines are not rated for leading edge work, in your situation the employees should be in restraint. i would have your fall protection competent person measure out the rope when setting up so the employee can get to the areas without being able to fall and coil the remaining up and use a gear tie on the coil this would prevent them from getting a fall, (make sure they don't tie a knot in the rope). Although i have not seen the user manual for the standing seam roof anchor @ 1:59 the way it is connected on the opposite side of the roof than the user I would bet is not allowed. Not hating on video just wanted to share some knowledge about fall protection.
I like cable for tile jobs and shingles. Rope for step roofs only
Thank you very much appreciate! "First time roofer 😅"
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What’s the name of the holding device on the seam??
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe professional rescuers and climbers are still using the rope style systems to safely get the job done and save lives. I have yet to see any retractable type gear in the emergency services and such.
Rescue is a complete different ball game. We do not use these three strand nylon rope for rescue but kernmantle.
- Didnt watch video, I just wanted to... Read. ~> I have a chimney, do you feel if working on the other side of the roof than it, it would be a - good- idea to tie off to it? Im very jumpy, the 1st time on metal & nobody was around to tell me- hey- rubber soles. I went barefoot thinking there was enough moisture in my feet for traction. Wrong, now Im kind of in 24/7 painful traction, a brick into the spine when I landed. Thanks, Ms. August
What do you call the adjustable metal clip which attaches to the rope and let's you move up and down the rope? Is it a lanyard? We just call it a rope grab but what is the correct name?
I think it is rope grab as you said.
ok this shows something ive been looking for, i continue to be bothered by the rope attaching to my back, like over my head, it feels like hard to shingle. How are your guys connected, in the front
i want to be safe doing it, but id much prefer to be hooked in the front
I do have a question: would you use a "Prusik Knot" while roofing? I see climbers and hunters but how safe is that knot really ?
I'm not a roofer, but have tree climbing gear. One rope that I use has a Blake's hitch, which is somewhat like a Prusik knot. It's pretty good, but it always tightens up on me. I use a Petzl Zigzag which works really well. I used it when I did my own roof. Easy to adjust. Never fails. I use Cougar Paws boots. Makes a huge difference.
Nowadays tho general contractors require SLRs but yeah if your on smaller jobs yes a rope is good.
What do you do when the metal roof doesn’t have standing seams to attach an anchor to for the safety harness? Most metal roofs in my area don’t have standing seams, what is the suggestion you have to anchor to something like this?
Thank You 👍🏻👍🏻
You may try to use a butterfly style anchor that screws into the wood. You'll have to move them as you install the roof. For doing repair work on existing screw down metal each set up will be a little different as you cant just shoot a butterfly down on top of the existing metal but I can recommend a specialized metal roofing shoe called a cougar paw ruclips.net/video/YSM5WpPl2so/видео.html that will help you move and work on metal. Keep in mind these shoes don't replace fall protection but the do help a lot during set up and break down of ropes and safety lines on existing metal
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Many of your guys in this video are not tied off at all. Or using the system improperly (it looks like the guy on the left at 2min 41sec has the end of the rope itself attached to his dorsal d-ring). Rope Vs SRL, comes back to personal preference and/or location... as long as the workers tie off properly and come back home safe and sound at the end of the day, that's what really matter. Thank you for sharing your opinion and encouraging safety!
The system that they're using could be used either way. Haters will always be haters?
@@n.g.1577at least 5 people not tied off at the 53 second mark. Hater gonna hate? You have to be tied off and use the stuff correctly, look how high up they are. Would most likely be a fatal fall
@@MATTHEW-ic3id Ok, "Mr. Fatal Fall Police".
@@n.g.1577 I am involved with construction safety. Have had one fatality on a site because no fall protection was used and one person lost all mobility from the waist down on another site. I take fall protection seriously, obviously this company doesn’t, but maybe they are trying. Rules are written in blood, and we have safety rules for a reason. You be a smart as s all you want, but I take being safe especially with fall protection seriously. Real people die every year from this and you are just here mocking.
Ok, good, so go preach to them, NOT TO ME!
"home depot in a bucket" I'm assuming you mean the safety line there?
Why so many guys on one roof?
Rope gang
Except when rope meets a sharp edge and the 200 lb + / - Comes to a sudden stop after falling however many feet.
These safety ropes can have a built in zig zaged webbing pack that unzips in a slow fashion thus the falling object does NOT come to a sudden stop ....... 0:21 ..............
What's up Your doing a video on safety 3 of your guys on the metal roof with harnesses but no safety rope hooked up to them What a freaking fail
I was looking for this comment ty lmfao fail for sure
Man have you ever been to a real job site? 😅
Get real dude
Those harnesses have like 3 different anchor points
@@SoapySupremethere’s at least 5 people not tied off at the 53 second mark
@@MATTHEW-ic3id yep
Spend the money on the retractable bro. It's the safest way to keep your guys going home every night. You mentioned cost several times now. Respectfully
Awesome video, thanks for posting it. by the way, one your one guys at 1:17 (black trucker hat) is smoking a cigarette on your customer's property/contruction site must have been missed during edit
who cares 😂
For roofing yes but not for siding
This is typical management trying to save a buck. They become a trip hazard because of all the excess rope. Most of the time the user will not adjust and leave the rope long. You aren't supposed to use fall protection to lean on because after doing all the time you compromise the rope. Rope wears down and it is usually continued to be used. Most of the time crews aren't even taught how inspect these ropes properly and if they are inspected properly, they have about 6 job uses on them at most.
You're thinking too much about cost of equipment and speed. Pros and cons on both. I've got a job coming up that won't allow rope. Cable is safer.
I have a feeling this guy doesn't actually work on roofs
Retractables are much better ropes are a tripping hazard they get crossed tangled they're pain to pack and unpack and their three times heavier
So you went with cost over/safety practicality / and labour intensity /
As an HSE Professional, with a bachelors in OHS and over 10k hrs performing training, audits and management (for various construction trades including roofing), this is simply an outdated and ignorant video. Misleading and wrong.
That's an appeal to authority, and this is youtube. Could you specifically say what is outdated, ignorant, misleading, and wrong about the video?