Who Was James the Brother of the Lord?
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- Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2022
- Millions of Orthodox Catholic Christians question whether Mary, the mother of Jesus had other children--as a normal married Jewish woman of the first century CE would have done. Our earliest records, both Paul and the gospel of Mark--present her as the mother of at least seven children--Jesus, James (aka Jacob or Yaaqov), Joseph, Simon, and Jude--plus at least two sisters.
For the details on sorting out this rather average Jewish family of the time see:
jamestabor.com/sorting-out-th...
If I could have witnessed 1 event in world history, it would have been when Paul met James and Peter. Whst did they talk sbout? The life of Jesus. If Paul were a new convert, he would hsve quizzed James and Peter for days even weeks. Who wouldn't have! Yet, it doesn't seem like Paul knew that much about Jesus. And he would have credited and honored them but it didn't seem like he did. Odd. Something's not right.
Perhaps it was nothing more than some kind of pilgrimage. He saw James and the apostles but actually never talked to them. Kinda like what people do today to the Vatican.
If Paul met James and Peter, it was to tell them that their theology was a non starter with Jews and he was going to spread Jesus’ message by crafting a new message to convince gentiles to follow an augmented new theology.
I would have thought Paul would have been curious about the life of Jesus and the 3 years he spent with the apostles but, maybe not. He may have only been interested in co-opting Jesus as a vehicle for promoting a new religion.
What do you think isn't right?
If there is one thing i wish i can see is when the swine paul tries to explain the ministration of death curse law to the psalmist .....i cant wait to see what the mighty warrior king does to him ...its honna be better than goliath
Paul is ( = ) James the Just ; the 'epithet' brother (friend) of God fits him the best cuz he is also Zebedeus (who dwells with god) and Zacharias barachai ( the 'blessed' Benedictus who comes 'in the name of the lord' ) . Unfortunately the nickname is not given to Paul, but given by 'paul' to one of his 'twin' ( John & James ) sons ; James aka the Less or the lesser ( the Just being the morer or most interresting of the 2 jamesses ). Btw the name James/ Jacobus (pretender} is a nickname for Andrew ( Adreas, Drusus ), the muscled or the strong one. Bbiblical Paul owns a dozen or so of names/ nicknames but is historical best known as Germanicus/ Cornelius ; the ' horned ' the horns to be understood as his twin, the 2 witnesses or boanerges/ dioscuri .
Fascinating as always Dr. Tabor! I especially always appreciate the recommendations for further reading. Love the outro as well. I am so impressed with the combination of excellent biblical scholarship and FUN in the modern world. This is my hobby interest and you certainly keep it interesting!
Interesting, this is the closest interpretation of these passages I have heard, that correlates to the visions I have experienced in relation to the "new" heavens, "new" earth, and the "cosmos." This perspective, gives me much hope, as my personal experience with whom I consider as the "Living and Risen One," has far gone past what is consider doctrinally sound or "scriptural" by much of the western church. I would have chosen to be an atheist and walk away, had it not been for what I have seen, heard, and experienced. I know I'm not the only one that has gone through this "transformation," because you can't describe it in a reasonable, rational manner, but I so appreciate what Dr. Tabor is sharing from these earliest writings and the encouragement it brings to me as I long to know what I am reading from scripture is genuine.
Really appreciate this video..
Just heard of you on another channel. Glad to find you.
Good discussion. Currently reading The Jesus Dynasty. Thanks for the pointer to the book Just James.
Tabor is the best!
The crowd goes wild!!!
Jimmy Christ - a very popular guy. He ran a Rent-a Camel business in West Jerusalem. In awe of his famous brother, he sort of slipped under the radar.
Thank you
Wonderful
I read a book, 'In Search of the Historical Jesus'. Research historians found an original source passage from a court talking about, 'James of Nazareth, Brother of Jesus'. This tells me that yes, there was a man named Jesus in Nazareth who had a brother James. Sometimes, this is all we are going to get but to me it gives credence to the realism vs mythology.
I will pray for you and yours.
Go away with your prayer it is just christian showmanship.
This is even mocked in our jury system to this day.
I'm distracted ted by the silver trophy behind that looks ready to fall off the edge.😅
Looking forward to the Mary book.
Should be a children's book.
I will look for this book by John Painter. Not.
long ago, the lord spoke to me these words: "Who were Peter and James the just?" I was not even familiar with these terms.
A small bit of research on my part, Told me that The lord Entrusted, Peter and James with with certain secrets.
I hope to buy this book that you speak of.
Thank you.
I was under the impression he was defacto head of the Jerusalem faction of the movement and It was him who Paul initially reported to. They were constantly at odds, Jerusalem stuck in the minutea of the Jewish ideal, monies disbursement and administration and finally Paul just ran with it.. I haven't watched this yet
I think the Beloved Disciple was Barnabas... Barnabas the Just. And is also Barabbas who was chosen by Jerusalem...Bar n Abas...Bar Abbas. I should write a book.
I believe there is a much better case to be made that Lazarus was the Beloved Disciple mentioned in John's Gospel, and thus its author, not James the Just. John 11:3 indentifies Lazarus as the one whom Jesus loved and goes on from there. As a native of Bethany, it makes more sense that he is the disciple mentioned in John 18:15 who is known to the high priest and is admitted to Jesus' trial, whereas it is unlikely that a Galilean like James would be known by many people in Jerusalem at that time. That would also make Lazarus the one reclining on Jesus' breast in John 13: 23, in whom Jesus confides, and also present at the foot of the cross in John 19:26 when all the Galilean disciples had already fled the scene. The Johanine epilogue in Chapter 21 seems to reflect the fact that Lazarus died and his community of believers was thrown into a crisis, as they seemed to believe that having been raised from the dead by Jesus, that Lazarus could not die again, as reflected in John 21:22-23, but he did, and this community of believers began to split up after he was gone.
What about thomas didimus?
Also 😁 pantera is a heavy metal band.
He was a real man and Jesus.
And and Jesus was a real myth.
What is the Q source?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_source
So based on what you just explained as far as James being portrayed in the letter....WHO do you think wrote it? We all know it wasn't James... ...Marcion?
There is no reason for the James statue to be in the Vatican if anything it should be in Jerusalem where was his bishop seat.
It would have been sweet if Matthew spelled this out in the genealogies, but in Chapter 10 of his Gospel, he says James the Lesser is the son of Alpheos (Clopas). In my opinion this is the most confusing thing in the Bible.
If Annas was father Ciaphas his brother it explains everything, ciiaphas knew andd this is a family power struggle
I think Martin Luther also hated James. Too much works and such.
The Early Xtians
➡️ Jamesian Sect - Peter, and the JC's siblings Jude and James taught "The Religion of JC" which is Repentance/Renewal -Judaism.
Heavily influenced by Zealotic and Essenic Jewish Philosophies.
"Grace by Deed"
* James was the sibling of JC, and James was a Common Jew, by the assumption of accounts he and his siblings were observant of Judaism.
➡️ Paulian Sect - Paul taught "The Religion about JC" .
Heavily focused on "Messiahnic Deitification and Mysticism" as well as "Greco-Roman Cultural Amalgamation of the Jewish Messiahnic Mysticism"
"Grace by Creed"
* Paul was Saul of Tarsus a Greco-Roman Citizen of Jewish Diasporan Decent. He was raised, grew up and educated in Alexandria.
On every talk From James the Tabor Man, I think, how lies taken christianity in Rome, from the beginnings. So...🙏🧡💚🔥 Thank for James soul living in Us with Jesus, Mary, and All tribes working for Good and Wisdom on this Earth collapsing🔥🙏
As Christian We fires lies and liars, false holy land mafias, all those who tries to kill Wisdom and Daylight for millennials, the eternal Question Jesus Asked. No need to be god for that...
I can see utter confusion in your reply
Dr. You need to read the bible throughly. James and Simon were the children of other Mary who married Joseph's brother.
James, Simon, Jude were sons of other Mary and Clopas who was brother of Joseph. References John 19:25, Eusebius 4.22.4, 3.11-12, 3.32.16-6.
❤ They just need to keep reading and put all the pieces together.
Peter was the apostle to the circumsision .the apostle of gentile reconciliation was Paul .biblical fact .
Paul was also prophesied in the Dead Sea scrolls!
@@thedude4594
Hey Poo Head where in the Dead Sea scrolls!
Yeah can’t see them as Mary’s children from the texts themselves. Only cause it would be absurd for her to live in johns household for the rest of her days.
Can't get enough of these, especially about James, the Jesus' family/dynasty, and 'lost' Christianities
The catholic chuch not the protestants.I think it is Jesus brothers...Mary was a virgin till the birth of Jesus....and as for playing down their roles...you keep forgetting who Jesus is ...and James was leader only in Jerusalem
6:51 "I think he is a brother Jesus grew up with him"
How does Tabor knows "he is a brother of Jesus"? From the gospels?... lol
How does Tabor knows "he grew up with him"? Just made up?
Totally taken from thin air
1:52 "presumably john the son of Zebedee". And why the hell is James not also the son of Zebedee???
Revelation was written before all of the other new testament books. The 7 thunders of revelation were 7 brothers. Later on they became the 12 apostles. The sermon on the mount and Cesar's coin ( render on to ceasar) was from the essene Jesus. He did not have 6 brothers or 12 apostles. Did Peter kill Ananias and Sapphira because they " lied to God " because they didn't give all of their wealth to the church? The family of seditious Zealots were violent against Rome and and judea. The essene Jesus was not killing, collecting wealth or seeking power to overthrow Rome.
Look at the liniege of Jesus in Mathew and in Luke. They are different in between. Reason one based on biological lineage, the other follow the customary lineage.
Luke is the false apostles buddy. Revelation 2:2
@@davidjohnson1463Huh???
So just asking a simple question....is the New Testament misleading or completely fabricated? Seriously, not a trick question....just trying to understand and learn.
The fact that you only give 2 possible answers would seem to indicate you already have surmised your own understanding.
You can rule out the 'completely fabricated' bit. Historians say that there's enough evidence to indicate that something did happen. As for the 'misleading' bit, it would be safe to say that the available evidence, by design', can be interpreted in various ways.
Addendum the 24 elders judge in the judgmental all thought the Bible no one may be judge but by 2 witnesses thus 2 for each tribe of the redeemed with Jesus as our advocate and redeemer and head Judge the witnesses are in the jury.
I’m surprised he doesn’t realize that Jesus abandoned and disowned his family and repudiated the concept of family loyalty in general and mocked dynastic succession. Your worst enemies will be your own family if you follow him, he said, and he questioned how the Messiah could be the son of David if David called him my Lord. Jesus did not respect genealogical inheritance but only the gift of the Holy Spirit. How is it his brother James suddenly shows up after Christ’s death and takes ‘control’ of the new movement? Who gave him this authority? Jesus character as the Messiah has nothing to do with genealogy. It’s bogus and Jesus’ life proves it.
@@sharonmelsby7679 Very (not) interesting and wordy response to my message, however, you never addressed any of the pertinent information I referred to. I listen and refer to the words of Jesus, not his misguided followers such as his disciples who are consistently portrayed in the Gospel as unknowing and wrongheaded.
That's isn't holly water. Peter Paul and Mary.
How do we know that Jesus had brothers and sisters? Is it possible that Simon, James et al were spiritual brothers , just as monks and priests today use the designation brother or sister .
Brothers and sisters are mentioned in Mark and Mathew and for brothers in Paul.
The idea of of monks is so unjewish!
The virgin idea stems from a translation error (?) In the Septuaginta....
@@WMedl they call each other brother's and sisters, maybe that's the reference because JC said his followers were now his family. He was making a point about love ie love your neighbour as yourself. Is that unjewish?
@@Madmen604 In Mark 3:31ff his mother and his brothers came and then he declared his followers his brothers ...or see Mark 6.
And remaining a vergin us unjewish!
@@WMedl oh, it's also unlikely, lol. You might be right about the pagan background for that belief. Unless there is some relationship or family issue. ....we don't know about.
Yaakov was my name then. Yaakov HaTzadik (Ish Kadosh) I was stoned to death in Jerusalem. Clairvoyance session. Today i write parables through the Holy Spirit. 🙏 Kol Toov brother
Excellent insights and clarifications. Reminds me of Ron Miller's book as well. ruclips.net/video/jwjWTKPvG5Q/видео.html Will this someday become the consensus?
Why does JESUS s family disappear . simple. HE( Jesus told John at the cross behold your mother and visa versea) well if all the Jews wanted to end the Jesus movement and the Romans ......and we don't hear much on John till later .it may have been it was John's job to get all of Jesus family mom brothers sisters cousin out of dodge for their own safety .this makes so much sense Jesus knew His 12 would be killed except John why would he want that for his family.futhermore no caliphate as His kingdom is not of this earth like the royal families of Europe He wanted for the kingdom and His family safety to disperse to safety....then much later after John accomplished His first commission to head the family of Jesus we get John 1 2 3 revelation all much later ...there it all makes sense........
No, never, not
Absolutely right regarding that sins were forgiven without Jesus’ death. Paul was not initiated but a self made apostle. He got it wrong but his teaching resonates with the masses.
Question… What is the theological point of early church Christians; or followers of Jesus;- through to today’s church, trying to point to a supposedly fulfilled prophecy with Jesus being traced back to David; through the (maybe) line of Joseph - when, on the other hand, they want us to believe Joseph had nothing to do with His birth.
It is a legal point.Jesus is legally the son of David
@@ptk8451 Hmmm… fair enough. By adoption rather than through the Royal Blood line.
@@djpodesta Mary was also a descendent of king David!
@@davidjanbaz7728 How do you know that? Are there verifiable records going back that far that have been unearthed?
What was the legal status of women in the Levant (Canaan/Judea) at that time… 2000 years ago?
*All Top Bible Scholars including Dr. Tabor are agreed that from Four Gospels, First one which was written down is Gospel of Mark, and in ancient copy of Mark, there is no any clue of two stories, Story of Virgin Birth and story of Ascension and Return of Jesus. Now, a rational question arises that if these two stories were real stories; then how could Mark miss those two fanciful stories which at that time could have made Christianity more popular!*
Truth is: above-mentioned two hoaxes were forged later, and blended in gospels in order to show new converts that Christianity is a supernatural dogma. Even that Genealogy of Jesus which appears in the oldest manuscripts of Matthew and Luke; it is said "Joseph begot Jesus". Words "Supposed to" are forgery of later days. Even some ancient Expert has said: the new Chapters were intentionally added in Mathew and Luke to show fable of Virgin Birth.
From 4 Gospels, some Gospels show that Jesus used to have at least 7 siblings (real bothers and sisters) and "James the Just" was also real brother of Jesus.
When Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians converted to Islam in 7th Century, they came to Islam along with their some previous false beliefs, and they spread those beliefs among other Muslims. Those fables were later blended in hadiths books which were FABRICATED much later after the death of Prophet Mohammad and after death of his all companions of Prophet. Now, in order to RECONCILE fabricated stories of their Forged Hadiths; Vile Mullahs, Sneaky Imams, and Pseudo Scholars started to twist, bend, deform, and tamper translation of relevant verses of Quran. They could not change Original Arabic Text of Quran because there are millions of Muslims who memorize whole Quran. If they had changed even one Arabic word of Quran; they could have been challenged by Millions of Huffaaz. Huffaaz is plural of Hafiz, and Hafiz is that person who memorizes whole Quran. Zoroastrians brought with them Fable of Mahdi, and Jews brought with them Punishment of Stoning (Rajam) for a fornicator. But in Quran, no such punishment exists. Regardless if a Person is married or unmarried, in Quran punishment for Illegal sex (sex without wedlock) is 100 lashes *in front of people.*
If we do not SUPERIMPOSE stories of Fabricated Hadiths on Quran; then nowhere in Quran exist two stories, stories of Virgin Birth and Ascension and Return of Jesus. *Quran NEVER denies nailing of Jesus on the Cross in verse 4:157 but Quran powerfully rejects CRUCIFIXION of Jesus which means: he survived death on the Cross.* Even several top Bible Scholars have written that In order to save Jesus from death, through a plan, he was drugged on the Cross. Enemies thought, on Cross, he is dead but he just appeared as dead but he was not dead. Later he was Resuscitated in Tomb of Joseph of Arimathea; and later he permanently SECRETELY immigrated to EAST under Pseudo name YUZ ASAPH in order to hide his identity for Security Reasons. Quran never tells that Jesus was substituted on Cross. This hoax of Substitution was spread among Muslims by Agnostic Christian groups. When in 4:157, Quran tells: he was not crucified but it appeared to them as so; that means: He was not dead on Cross but appeared to them as so that he is died.
Even Gospels of Luke and John show, that even after the incidence of Cross; Jesus was very much alive with same injured human body and he managed over 12 meetings with his disciples before immigrating to EAST. This also confirms claim of Quran that Jesus did not Die on the Cross=Nailed but Not Crucified 4:157
Before Immigration of Jesus to East; Disciples asked Jesus. WE KNOW YOU ARE LEAVING US but tell us: who should we follow after you? Jesus said: Follow his brother "James the Just".
Quran tells in 5:110, 5:116-117 that Jesus died naturally at the age of KAHLAN and that age is that old age when Human skin starts to putrefy. But Mullahs even tamper translation of word KAHLAN in order to support their fable. Historical evidence shows: Jesus died at age 120. Even we find in over 30 ancient well-known books of Hadith Literature of Sunni sect that Prophet Mohammad told his daughter Fatimah that I will have half life of Jesus. Because Jesus died at 120, so I will die at 60. Normally, you will read that Prophet Mohammad died at 63 but there are over six Reports in top Books of Sunni sect which show that he died at age 60. Quran has used word RAFA=RAISE in verse 4:158 for Jesus. But same word RAFA is used in several other verses of Quran, and meaning of RAFA in those verses is TO RAISE IN HONOR/RANKS and Spiritual-Exaltation but Sunni and Shia Translators tamper this verse and translate word RAFA as to Raise body of Jesus to SKY. This is pure nonsense. People who understand Spirituality and metaphysics know: that this is IMPOSSIBLE. Body made of Dust returns to DUST after death, and only the Real Immortal Person is raised to God, and that Real Person is Ruh/Spirit/Soul.
We know each word of Quran, and we have read almost all Gospels and apocryphal manuscripts. We have studied well many books of Bible Scholars including Books of Great Scholar and Decent Man Dr. Tabor; and we studied history, and Comparative Religion. Nowhere Quran tells that Jesus was born without human father. In whole Quran, no any Arabic word appears which can be translated as VIRGIN. Almah of Hebrew is also not Virgin but a maiden.
*Quran tells three stories of birth in SAME TONE.* Birth of Isaac, Birth of Yahya (John the Baptist), and Birth of Jesus, and we all know Yahya and Isaac had human fathers, so Jesus too. Quran sets Creation law in several verses where God says: "O People: we have created you all from a male and female 49:13", and Birth of Jesus is not exempted from this law.
Quran tells: Zakria made Dua/Supplication. O My Lord: I have gotten old but I do not have any inheritor; grant me a son. So Angel gave glade tiding to him that you will have a son with name Yahya. Zakria and his wife said: We are now very old, so how can we have a son now? *Angels said: It is not difficult for God, He does, what He wills. He tells something to be, and it becomes" - Of course through his laws.*
Quran tells: Angels gave glad tiding to Abraham for a new Son Isaac and then son of Isaac "Jacob". When old wife of Abraham (Sarah) heard that: she slapped her face in surprise and said: how can I have a son now when I am barren and my husband is very old! *Angels said: It is not difficult for God, He does, what He wills. He tells something to be, and it becomes" - Of course through his laws.*
Quran tells: Angel appeared to Mary (appears in Dream) and told her that she will have Son. Because at that time Mary was unmarried. So it was very natural to be surprised, so she asked Angel, how can I have a son when so far no man has penetrated me? *Angel said: It is not difficult for God, He does, what He wills. He tells something to be, and it becomes" - Of course through his laws.* Now, Mullahs misinterpret this verse. They interpolate that Mary never married. But Quran never tells that Mary never married. Fact is: much later, Mary married to Joseph, and Jesus was biological son of Joseph and same was said by "James the Just". In Gospels, frequently, Jesus is called Son of Joseph and Mary.
Quran has also used word "Ahsanat Farjaha" in verse 66:12 for Mary, and same word "Ahsanat Farjaha" is also used frequently in Arabic literature for a MARRIED WOMAN. From word "Ahsanat Farjaha", word "Ahsanat" has root in word "Ahson"=FORT. Meaning of words "Ahsanat Farjaha" is: a woman who marries to a Man IN ORDER TO *FORTIFY* HER CHASTITY. A married woman is also a Chase-woman who does not engage in illegal sex (sex without wedlock).
Quranic verse 3:36 tells us: that mother of Mary made Dua/Supplication to God for the security of Mary *and Mary's CHILDREN*
LOL 😆
Paul wrote about some "Brothers of the Lord"
Mark historicises those brothers of the Lord as biological brothers of Jesus Nazarene
Yes Mary and Joseph had other children What is the problrm
Wrong. Brother meant family. Cousins, uncles, nephews etc.
Lot was called Abraham's brother when he was clearly his nephew.
Laban and Jacob, who are uncle and nephew, are as well called brothers.
The Hebrew language had no word for cousin or uncle. All family was brother or sister, mother or father
The removal of James is only part of the heresy. They also removed the women. Barely commenting on their importance to Jesus, but completely stripping out that EVERY Apostle had to have a female companion. Because of the strictness of society men couldn't minister privately to any woman they're not married to or related to. Thus the necessity of female Apostles
Give it up. This is like groping around in a dense fog. There is simply too much interpretational uncertainty, speculation, disagreement in translation and scholarship, loose record-keeping, factionalism, vested interest, myth-making, politics, power-play and sectarianism in religious history to hope that anyone today can provide ‘facts’ or definitive conclusions about people who lived in those times
Misreading Matthew 16 is needed for the Catholics belief they have Supreme Authority. It's also where Peter is called Satan, so it makes sense.
So what if the angel of God came down to visit mary and says "A"holy spirit will come to you instead of "The" holy spirit will come to you??? Meaning that pantera dude (which wasnt actually old, right? They were probably the same age? I think you said?) What if that pantera dude was a holy guy. Being he was a good person? Maybe his parents were spiritual?? Just like you said, how do we know he wasnt one of the lost tribes of isreal?
I am so enjoying all of these videos. As well as mary. Ive not thought of her. That she was anything more than a non-playing character. This is so fascinating!!❤
James was seen as the full brother. Joseph, judah, and simon were sons from a prior marriage. The people of nazareth knew mary to be the mother of james. James was younger than the other four
Quran, [3:36] When she gave birth to her, she said, "My Lord, I have given birth to a girl"―GOD was fully aware of what she bore―"The male is not the same as the female. I have named her Mary and I invoke Your protection for her and her descendants from the rejected devil."
The idea of more than one descendant, biological child.
James, the "brother" of Jesus is indeed the beloved disciple cuz both grew up together in the "blended" family of immaculate Mary and her spouse Joseph. "The one he loved" is in john's gospel, and John's authorial intrusion at the end of his gospel shows he and the "beloved" are two separate persons. (The beloved was the one who told him the final moments of the crucifixion and even wrote down crucial points so there would b no errors.) Very likely, the sons of Zebedee were NOT present in the crucifixion. Present on their behalf was only their mother (referred too variously as Mary, mother of James, or "the wife of Zebedee"). In the crucifixion scene is: 1) Mary Magdalene, 2) Jesus' mother, 3) this mother's sister, Mary of cleopas😊, and 4) Mary of Zebedee. Perhaps, only the beloved disciple was so dear to Jesus because he alone knew the truth behind what was perceived by the public as the large family of Joseph and Mary, with the 6 additional children that came after Jesus. (These additions kept up appearances of normality for the Holy family as the precocious Jesus was growing up.) Happy Easter to all!
I bet a donkey that the theology/comogony of Valentinus is the most correct and close to Yeshua's teaching - by far.
I believe that if Jesus was the "Prophet like unto Moses", then it applies in many ways. If Moses is the template, then just as Aaron is the older brother of Moses, in my opinion, Jesus is the younger brother of James. James was the leader of the Nazarene Jews after Jesus' ascension. The Nazarenes (the contemporaries of Jesus and the Apostles) according to Epiphanius believed Jesus to be the naturally conceived and born son of Mary and Joseph.
Where is your authority...
@@ptk8451 Thanks for your reply...
You said: "Where is your authority.."
My reply: My authority is my God-given right as an American to freely voice my opinion if that is what you are getting at, and in my initial statement I said it is my opinion more than once.
If you are asking about my "authority" as in am I a degreed theologian? No. But, I read, research, and think. Everything a degreed theologian has as far as information can be found by anyone on the internet...so, "my" authority really doesn't matter if I can make a logical defense for my statements...using the same references that are available to anyone, if they want to dig for it.
Now, if you misspoke about authority and are asking about the references to back up my opinion, that is something else.
- The "Prophet like unto Moses" reference comes from Moses himself. If you want chapters and verses, I can provide them, or you can research them yourself.
- The "Prophet like unto Moses" is covered in greater detail by Peter in the Clementine Literature (Rec and Hom). I can provide the book number and chapter of Peter's explanation, or you can look it up yourself.
- James the Just as being a brother of Jesus, is pretty much undisputed.
- That Jesus was born of Mary and Joseph (natural conception and birth) are found in the Clementines as well as in the Panarion of Epiphanius. I can provide the book/part/section numbers...or you can do as I did and research it yourself.
- That "Jesus as being the younger brother of James" is found in the logic of Jesus "being like unto Moses", that just doesn't mean he is only a "Prophet", that corresponds to life situation similarities as well.
- That "Jesus as being the younger brother of James" is found in the pattern theme found throughout the OT of the "first" followed by the "second" (Cain/Abel, Ishmael/Issac, Esau/Jacob, Aaron/Moses, Shear-Jashub and Maher-Shalal-Hash-Baz (Immanuel), James/Jesus).
- Regarding the Nazarenes as being the Jewish sect to which Jesus, James, and the Apostles belonged, that is found in the Panarion of Epiphanius.
I hope that answered the "authority" question, if not, give me a little more direction so I can reply appropriately.
@@thenazareneperspective2734 No !
@@davidjanbaz7728 Thanks for the reply...
You said; "No!"
My reply: "No to what?"
& he was 💯 wrong
The Question ISN'T "Who was James the Brother of the Lord?" The QUESTION is..... "WHO was James the BROTHER OF?" WHICH "Jesus"??
We KNOW the JESUS of the "Gospels".
BUT.... the ancient Judish priest-historian Josephus records in Book VIII of his "Jewish Wars" the appearance of a man named 'JESUS ben ANANIAS", who started uttering doom moanings about Jerusalem for SEVEN YEARS BEFORE the destruction of the city and the 🏛. And JAMES is dated to have been EXECUTED by ORDER of the Chief Priest ANANIAS II for some UNspecified accusation in 62 AC, along with "SOME OTHERS". WHO were these "OTHERS" IF James was a "CHRISTIAN"??
So this "COINCIDENCE" begs the Question: "Was JESUS moaning about the impending DOOM of Jerusalem because of the EXECUTION of his BROTHER JAMES and his DISCIPLES??
IS THIS WHY the ancient Christian theologian Origen claimed that while Josephus didn't consider Jesus to be "Christ" ( he merely wrote that James was the brother of Jesus CALLED 'Christ'...") he attributed the destruction of the 🏛 NOT to the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ BUT WHAT the Jews DID to JAMES??! 🥸🧐🤔
I would rather say the BEHEADING of James (the "brother of John and son of Zebedee") in "Acts" Chapter 12 by order of King Herod Agrippa I is the "COVER STORY" for the death of James "THE BROTHER OF JESUS" (and son of Alphaeus) as recorded by Josephus in Book XVIII of his "Judish Antiquities"; which, according to common chronology, occurred in 62 AC. NOT SEVEN years AFTER the Crucifixion, but SEVEN years BEFORE the destruction of Jerusalem and the 🏛️!
I would STRONGLY DISagree with Pro. Tabor that James the brother of Jesus is supposed to be the "Beloved Disciple" who was the "eyewitness author" of the gospel attributed to "JOHN". IF JAMES HAD composed it it SURELY would have been attributed to HIM instead of him merely being credited for the "Protoevangelium"!!
Furthermore, just from intrinsic indications in the "Gospel" we can tell that, whether true OR not, the "Beloved Disciple" is none other than LAZARUS!! ONLY OF HIM in THAT "Gospel", and his sisters, is it written, "Now JESUS LOVED LAZARUS and his sisters Martha and Mary." ("John" 11:5-6) Even Peter plays a more SIGNificant role in it than James, such as at the end when Jesus tells him explicitly to "Follow Me." And when Peter did and looked back to see "the disciple whom Jesus LOVED following them" he asked Jesus," And Lord, what of this man?"; meaning WHAT shall befall HIM as his ultimate Fate as Jesus had made the famous prediction of martyrdom for Peter. Jesus DIDN'T respond with saying "He shall be TAKEN as YOU will." He famously said, "IF I wish HIM to REMAIN until I come (again) what is it to you?" Therefore the saying went forth among the disciples that THAT one was not to die (by violence). But Jesus had not said he was not to die, just what did it matter to Peter IF Jesus wished him to remain alive until his Return to Earth? OBVIOUSLY James HASN'T "remained" until then; and for THAT matter, NEITHER has Lazarus. According to a 9th Century Gallic account, Lazarus is supposed to have died a PEACEFUL death (LIKE John) as bishop of Marseilles in southern France. We are NEVER told in the "New Testament" what became of him after Christ's Ascension, and NONE of the Epistles even refer to him. UNLESS one is referring to his TRUE identity as JOHN. Coincidentally with the mention of Peter in this "Gospel" as "son of JOHN", the first epistle of Peter 5:13 refers to "MY SON Mark"; presumably the JOHN MARK who is so closely associated with him at the beginning of the "Acts of the Apostles".
There are "two Johns'" in the "Gospels" because ONE ("the son of Zebedee and brother of James") is the ALIAS for the OTHER (JOHN "MARK" the SON of Chalafas); the NEPHEW of JAMES and his brothers, INCLUDING Jesus. And Jesus DIDN'T "rebuke Zebedee" for vindictive comments, who WASN'T even recorded as being one of his disciples. He rebuked the "BROTHERS" James and John the "SONS" of Zebedee. There was NO MORE likely to have been a "JAMES the SON of Zebedee" than a JOHN. The "James" referred to is the ALTER EGO of JAMES the brother of JESUS SON of Alafas, and uncle of JOHN (Mark). The BOTTOM LINE the "Professor" apparently doesn't understand or realize is:
The Christianity Cult was a CONSPIRACY, and in CONSPIRACIES you COVER UP the facts by DISTORTION!! 😎
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I might as well finish with adding that the other peculiarity of the "Jamesian epistle" is that he writes to the "Twelve TRIBES in the Dispersion"... But there WEREN'T twelve "Tribes" by THAT time. There was only the "JUDES"/Jews and the "LEVITES". The other TEN were defunct. So the author was clearly being symbolical/allegorical. "Coincidentally", if we deduct Matthew LEVI as being a son of Alphaeus from a prior wife and not of Mary, and we deduct JUDAS Iscariot as being a traitorous suicide, then that leaves TEN of the originally TWELVE apostles. Yet (ANOTHER peculiarity) "James" DOESN'T assert OR reenforce his "authority" as alleged "Chief of the Church" in place of Christ by identifying himself in the opening as "James the BROTHER of JESUS Christ....." (as he's referred to by Josephus in the EARLIEST NON-Christian source mention of him), but rather as "James A SERVANT of JESUS Christ..." He COULD have called himself BOTH.
IF there HAD been ANOTHER James of the Apostles (such as the son of Zebedee and brother of John), you would think this James would want to identify WHICH he was as author of the epistle. MAYBE, a FORGER thought calling himself "James the BROTHER (and Servant) of JESUS CHRIST" sounded too similar to the ALLEGED Josephus reference to him as "James the BROTHER of JESUS called 'CHRIST'..." and MIGHT indicate the FORGER of the epistle was the INTERPOLATOR of what was the LATER INSERTION of the UNspecified "James accusation" in Josephus' text of the "Judish Antiquities".
IF SO, I would BET it was Origenes, who placed a FALSELY high value on James by claiming that Josephus attributed in his History the destruction of Jerusalem and the 🏛️ to the EXECUTION OF JAMES by the Jews!! NOT TO the death of Christ!
Do Virgin Mary Had Any Other Children?
PEOPLE DO THINK THAT BECAUSE THE PASSAGE BELOW QUESTIONED CHRIST RELATIVES, THEREFORE HE HAD BLOOD BRETHREN, NO!: Matt 13:55
...*..Is His mother not Mary?, And are not his brethren JAMES AND JOSEPH and Simon Judas* the word brethren includes kinsmen, relatives,ETC.
You WILL see James, Joseph, Simon, and Jude, were Jesus' cousin, brethren/Relatives
The Bible uses the phrase ---'A SON'-- or --'CHILD'--and not children or sons confirm this Neither will the Bible or prophesies be lie, thus:
Matt. 1:22 This all happened so that what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet would be fulfilled: Matt. 1:23 .*.Look! The virgin will conceive and bear A SON, and they will call him Emmanuel Matt. 1:21 She will give birth to A SON and you will name him JESUS, because HE will save his people from their sins.
SO
James,
Joseph,
Simon,
and Jude.
Are they really Jesus BLOOD BROTHER? no! in Hebrew were the English version of the bible was translated from, there is no such word as * my blood brethren*, rather as the Igbo Language has no such, rather they call same blood, relative, even their tribal ones *My Brother* (Nwa Nne m meaning *my mother's Child/brother*) even when they had only Tribal relationship only, Christian also call their fellow Christians Sister or Brother(in the Lord=specified) because the share the same faith. else one may think they are of same blood! The Bible Proves it otherwise .*. Prophecy of scripture is not a matter of one's personal interpretation 2 Pt. 1:20,
Note THE BIBLE WARNS: Scripture can be difficult to understand and can be distorted to one's destruction ... .*. 2 Pt. 3:15-18.
Let analyze the passages misunderstood by many, (that Virgin Mary was Virgin up to the birth of Christ, that after then she lost her Virginity and gave birth to other sons or if she remained EVER VIRGIN
in Matt. 28:1 ..*Mary Mag'dalene and other Mary went to see the tomb* before this Jesus had died and His mother is already with Disciples, Matt. 28:7 ..*..then go and tell His Disciple that He has risen from the dead * he said this because the Disciple and Mary where at home, that's why the bible use the word *the OTHER MARY*
this includes: *(Cloepas' wife). and Mother Of The Sons Of Zebedee, Mary The Mother Of James And Joseph When the Bible wants to mention Virgin Mary, it specifies Her as in Luke 2:48...*and His mother said to him, son, why have you treated us so? your Father And I* you see that they had no other child yet even at 12 years,
SEE HOW the BIBLE DISTINGUISHES 3 OTHER MARY FROM VIRGIN MARY
Mark 15:40; Matthew 27:56, :
...*Among them at the cross were
MARY Magdalene and
MARY the MOTHER of JAMES and JOSEPH(Joses),
and Salo'me ; and
THE MOTHER OF THE SONS OF ZEBEDEE.*
Matt. 27:61..Mary Mag'dalene and the OTHER MARY WERE THERE. SITTING OPPOSITE THE TOMB
Summing the passages, This shows that there may be at least 2 Mary(s) who are Jesus relatives and had sons: Cross reference this with the passage below
SEE HOW THE BIBLE DO MENTION JESUS' MOTHER
John 19:25..*..But standing the cross of Jesus were:
His MOTHER, and
MARY THE WIFE OF CLEOPAS (VIRGIN MARY'S sister,), and
MARY MAG'DALENE
We see that at least three of the brethren mentioned in Matthew 13, OR MARK 6:3 were definitely not siblings of Jesus (although they're called Siblings) but they were Jesus' cousins--sons of their mother's sister. because them Virgin Mary is already with the Disciples ahome.
The Bible is simply silent on the exact relationship between Jesus and the other two men, Simon and Jude, mentioned in Matthew 13. This proves two important things. First, it proves that the Greek word for brethren is sometimes used to mean something other than sibling, and it proves that Matthew 13:55-56 in no way demonstrates that Mary had other children.
Matt 13:55...*..Is His mother not Mary?, And are not his brethren
JAMES AND JOSEPH and Simon Judas*
the word brethren includes kinsmen, relatives, Extended family, society, people with same faith etc that's why in court, or bank they will ask you to specify the exact relationship of your chosen next of Kin. The Bible only teaches us that Joseph kept her a virgin until after the birth of Jesus (see Matt. 1:18-25 below).
Matt. 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ happened this way. While his mother Mary was engaged to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. Matt. 1:19 Because Joseph, her husband to be, was a righteous man, and because he did not want to disgrace her, he intended to divorce her privately.
Mary's virginity trumps sense and truth. Sickening
His Greek name is Iakovos (Jacob); his title is the Adelphotheou the Male relative of God; the Greek fathers said Jesus and James were cousins, the Latin fathers step brothers (by a previous marriage of Joseph); Jacob was changed to James as a result of the King James version of the Bible (aka Authorised version). Mary's titles are All Holy, Ever Virgin , Theotokos (God bearer) Mary; being ever virgin, she had no other children than our Lord and God and Saviour Jesus Christ.
The vergin idea stems from a translation error in the Septuaginta!
And was introduced very late into "Christianity"
The Septuagint is the MOST accurate translation of The Old Testament . When Jesus and the New Testament writers through the Holy Spirit quote Scripture they nearly always quote the Septuagint form not The Masoretic / Pharisee translation@@WMedl
Paul , Saul (nicknamed James the just) had 2 sons aka as the (two) witnesses or the 'twin' (dioskuroi) ;
Silas (little saul) & Barnabbas (son, heir, prince, the 'beloved' or appointee of his father) ,
Silas (nicknamed James the less or lesser) aka as Stephanos (crown-bearer) or Andronicus (andrew, drusus) ,
Junias (the younger brother, Barnabbas is his nickname) is by this occasian named 'the Lord' becuz he became
the heir after Silas has fallen away. Stephanos was during his lifetime never a success, only rewarded as a
'crownbearer' after his martyr's death. He was a minor figure of less importance compared to the 3 pillars ;
James (Paul), Peter (Simon) and John (Junias). Paul met 'only' James (the less) who was merely the brother of
the successor , the greater guy ; John (nobody born of a - certain - woman greater then John).
That 'nobody' is Silas
The Bible needs a playbill.
James was the brother of John the Baptist who was also John the apostle and John the Revelator. The character Jesus is actually John who was given his NEW Name when he became a new creation at his spiritual resurrection. Phillipians 2:9-10 just like Jacob and others were given new names.. The same new name we all receive at our miracle new birth. Rev. 3:12. As Isaiah 53 says he lived a long life and saw his seed. John was the promised seed of David who prepared the way for the Spirit of truth as noted in Isaiah 40:3. LORD in hebrew is the Father, or the Spirit of truth, that speaks the Word to his prophets/sons or as most know him as the Holy Spirit. The Father has many spirits not just one. All of Davids seed are called to be the anointed ones as Psalm 18:50 and other verses say.
Lot of bs here
HE WAS THE OLDER HALF (STEP) BROTHER OF JESUS AND WAS A CHILD OF ST. JOSEPH BEFORE MARRIAGE TO MARY. IN FACT, THESE HALF - STEP SIBLINGS WERE ALL OLDER THAN JESUS AND THE CGILDREN OF JOSEPH FROM A PREVIOUS DECEASED WIFE. AND WHY IS IT SO IMPOSSIBLE TO BELIEVE THAT MARY WAS A PERPETUAL VIRGIN? NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD! MR. TABOR, DON'T YOU BELIEVE IN MIRACLES?
No need to get all capital on us
How can Jesus be the Messiah when he is not of David's line? Joseph was credited to be from David's line but he is not the father of Jesus. And if he was, Mary didn't have a virgin birth.
@@mver191 it's all hogwash
Bible says May brought forth her FIRST born son. You only have a first born if others are also born to the woman. If Jesus was her only son then the wording would have been her only begotten son. She had other children after Jesus, with Joseph as their father.
@@mver191 how does the
Jewish law view this? I just answered your ignorant question. 😅 why did Joseph & Mary go to Jerusalem & then Bethlehem??? Mic drop
Nothing like a narcissist having canned applause for his own show
Man this guys is such a narcissist