This is the video that explained the Sabbath to me. I watched it for the first time during the last week of 2023. I've never read Deuteronomy 5! (since you never hear this scripture mentioned in SDA sermons and Bible study) Thank you Myles for your thorough presentation on the purpose behind the Sabbath. Absolutely love this illustration! Because of this understanding, I started to attend church on Sunday when the Holy Spirit nudged me to start attending church again.
No man read Deuteronomy 4 the whole thing. But here is vs 40 Thou shalt keep therefore his statutes, and his commandments, which I command thee this day, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days upon the earth, which the Lord thy God giveth thee, for ever. (Summary )is has anyone anywhere seen deliverance and great signs from God as you have seen. For God to deliver you out of Egypt? Therefore obey all my commandments and statutes. What dose that mean? Only because I delivered you keep my commandments? Or is it remember what I did for you and keep my commandments? Same as the sabbath command. Is it only because I delivered you or is is I did deliver you now keep my sabbath. Also this goes against what he says in the beginning that sabbath was because our work was cursed and our rest was cursed after the fall. So what’s it after the fall or because they were delivered out of Egypt?
Please don't base your spiritual future in this video or site! Have a look around and you'll find many videos on the Sabbath. Always use scripture as a filter. This video is about earning money by attacking a church. It's full of errors and deceptions. Even if you just googled Sabbath bible verses, then read them all, you'd learn more. Nowhere does it say in scripture that the Sabbath changed. The catholic Church changed it. Just because most people follow it, doesn't mean it's right! Intact it's breaking the 4th commandment. Jesus saved us and removed the penalty from the law, but he definitely didn't remove the law!
Side point also, Doug says we "christians" are judged by the 10 commandments". As no one can keep the 10 commandments, including seventh day sabbath keeping, a then we are all lost. His statement completely destroys that work of redemption and Christs finished work of atonement of no effect. We are ALL unsaved in his biblical hermeneutics because ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The test is rest by faith in Christs redeeming work and seals us with the Holy Spirit.
If it's not bad enough Ellen White can't get the future correct, she can't get history correct either. Her claim is that the early Christians were keeping the 7th day Sabbath until the catholic church changed it. Ignatius of Antioch was one of the earliest writers of early Christianity. He records the very early Christians as no longer keeping the Sabbath. The following is a quote from The Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians (chapter 9 paragraph 1) ........ "If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death - whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master - how shall we be able to live apart from Him, whose disciples the prophets themselves in the Spirit did wait for Him as their Teacher? And therefore, He whom they rightly waited for, having come, raised them from the dead. Matthew 27:52"
You're the one who has no sense of history. Acts 15:21 shows the early Christians keeping it. But ofc, you had to quote the uninspired writings of a Sunday keeper to make your point seem more authoritative. Nowhere in the Bible did Christ ever command anyone to celebrate His resurrection or assign sacred status to Sunday. Acts continues to refer to Sunday as "the first day of the week", thereby destroying your false argument.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Your interpretation of Acts 15:21 would mean the early Christians were going to synagogues? The only relationship they had with Jews was preaching the gospel.
If you read Acts 15:19 -“It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God." Because they were preaching something new and different to what they had known since ancient times. In other words, "when in Rome do as the Romans".....not as they are regularly doing, being sensitive to what the people they are going to preach the gospel to have known since Moses. You can't read Acts 15:21 without reading Acts 15:19. They were being given special instructions on bringing the gospel to people who had known nothing but Moses since ancient times. So that they weren't stepping on anybody's toes while bringing the gospel.
This sermon by Doug is devastating...rejecting living under grace. Holding people in bondage to the law. The problem is the questions the sda church ask, setting a false platform in peoples minds because they believe the matter is between saturday or sunday. They place the new creation (rest in Christ's work) as a completely separate matter. They dont even believe the atonement was completed on the cross. Once we all cease examining a day rather than the redemptive work of Christ we will continue arguing over a day. True sabbath is resting in His finished work. Lets encourage one another to enter this rest
This may be a little simplistic but in Romans, Paul seems to say that one’s view of a Sabbath is entirely an issue of personal conscience like food or drinking. “One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.” Romans 14:5 NIV
It says nothing about the sabbath. Simply about esteeming each day as a Christian in example to God as a witness here upon the earth. Don't try to make it say what is not said. God's holiness fell on only one day of the week and that He sanctified it and made it holy, the 7th. In Luke 23:56 you will find the first thing the new Christian first generation converts in Jesus immediately ceased the burial process of his body to keep the sabbath "according to the Commandment". It was not done away with at Christ's death. In the book of Acts they were still measuring their activities during the week anticipating the sabbath."a sabbath's day journey". A weeks activities time from sabbath to sabbath, how far they would travel in a weeks time from sabbath to sabbath. Acts 1:12 KJV. He never compromised the sabbath, and institution He created in the creation week. "All things were made by him and for Him." Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: (FROM THE CREATION OF THE WORLD, that includes the 7th day sabbath.) Colossians 1: (Jesus created the Sabbath during the creation week) 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Here too, it’s pretty clear in the new covenant the sabbath as described in the Old Testament is changed. “But now that you know God-or rather are known by God-how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.” Galatians 4:9-11 NIV
@@jsimoes9424I believe he was referencing the Judaizers. They were giving up their grace to be back under the yoke of the Law. Wanting circumcision and following other parts of Mosaic Law.
At the 1:13:15 mark..... Doug Batchelor makes the statement....."I was so into Christianity......." I would just stop listening to him after that. He's not into Christianity anymore? Doug Batchelor loves using hundreds of verses to argue adventist teachings like Michael the Archangel in the Bible is Christ, and eating meat is bad, and claiming to keep the commandments of the old testament (which, by the way, who decided he shouldn't keep Passover or Rosh Hashanah or Yom Kippur? because those are all holy days of the old testament and would lead to being cut off from your people for not keeping). If everyone should keep the 10 commandments the way Doug is saying, how about children with atheist parents? Should they honor their father and mother? You can't pick and choose which holy days not to keep, if you are claiming to keep the holy days of the old testament. His teaching leads to saying the 4th commandment is the greatest commandment. Christ said otherwise in Mark ch.12.
"His teaching leads to saying the 4th commandment is the greatest commandment." That's Sabbatarianism. It's ALL about the Sabbath. The Sabbath is their god, their savior.
I was born and Raised SDA. 3rd generation.Dad wasn't a pastor but Mom wanted to be a "Bible worker" and attended WWC to that end. I was steeped in Adventism as much as any kid. After roughly 10 years agnostic and 25 as a Southern Baptist I converted to Eastern Orthodoxy. That was the biggest eye opener of my life. The impossibility of any papal edict changing any Sabbath. Simply didn't and couldn't have happened due to the nature of early Christian polity. Sorry Mrs White, but Constantine was never a Pope. You can't even read a history book and get things right. Yes the Apostles COULD HAVE changed the sabbath or other Jewish laws. Carefully read Matthew 28. It clearly says so. A person may argue about it, but there IS scriptural precident for that understanding. A different opinion therefore needs substantive evidence to the contrary. The next thing that I learned is that the Greek word for Sunday is even today Kiriaki. Which translates directly to "the Lord's Day" it is not connected at all to the Sun as SDAs assert. Spanish does the same. German "my 3rd language" is like English in it's connection to pagan sun veneration. But even 2000 years after the fact, Greeks don't fall for Adventism BECAUSE they know what the Lord's Day is.
This is laughable...And real true hearted Adventist Biblically speaking, you will not remove from God's truth. God's truth does not change. You have to reason outside the Bible and interject things that are not Biblical to seduce a mind from truth. And the Truth is found by Jesus's example and his life. We can never make a mistake following Jesus into the synagogue on the Sabbath Day's example. If God's law could have been changed or compromised Jesus would have never came to earth to die on Calvary. Sin could never be sin either...there would be no definition of sin that is stable. And we could never trust any Commandment as truth or could be compromised, or a God who gave it waffling allover the place.. Remember the sabbath day will ring throughout eternity (Isaiah 66:22-23) Psalm 119:151 Thou art near, O Lord; and all thy commandments are truth. (truth never changes) (Commandments are commandments, nor temporary...not suggestions either) Go online and read the Edict of Constantine in 321. educate yourself.
SABBATH TRASHING insults, JESUS, HOLY SPIRIT and ALL 4 GOSPEL writers.... John’s gospel account, inspired by HOLY SPIRIT and recorded..80-110 AD “Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.” JN 21:25 John includes at least 8 explanatory and time sequence/chronology editing comments: 2:2, 3:24, 6:71, 7:39, 11:2, 12:16 & 33, 21:19. Why are there ZERO editing words included 50 years or more after JESUS left Earth (New Covenant era) regarding Sabbath cessation, abrogation, abolishing, obliteration, being a shadow, fulfilled by Christ, not valid for gentiles.. in any of the sabbath verses of JOHN's sabbath accounts in JOHN's chapters 5,7 and 9 ???? If it was a big deal enough for JOHN to include 3 sabbath encounters in his gospel account, wouldn't it be obvious that he would mention about the disciples/church trashing it and replacing it with a SUNday/Lord's Day observance???? This argument does not get presented or answered in SABBATH/SUNday-Lord's Day debates. Was JOHN a clueless, crazy, stupid idiot??
I don’t fully believe Doug’s story about asking those non SDA pastors about the sabbath. I believe that they may have given the answers he cited but were probably much more thorough and theologically rich than he gave them credit for. I think the smug dismissal of the answers they gave is probably what he heard when he went back to the SDA pastor. Also it’s incredibly ironic that SDAs claim to love Martin Luther. As a Lutheran I am sure if Luther was around today he would be just as brutally polemical against SDA teaching as he was towards the papists and anabaptists
@@nitrojanks2977 No, it's a big cult worldwide. They mix truth with falsehood thereby making it a bit harder for bible illiterates to identify. For example they may say Jesus is their savior but it means something different than what other Christians may believe when digging further. They are the largest socially accepted cult along with JW and Mormons.
As far as the Sabbath Seal stuff, I try to hit Adventists hard on "laying a different foundation" than the one that has been laid. And the same goes for preaching a new gospel. But you cannot just change the rules with 1844,. Now I haven't won a person yet from Adventism, but I have had them use the remnant line after I made a big list of the various Biblical truth problems with their Present Truth message, so I'm counting that as a success.
You're but an instrument of the Lord. Us mere man cannot touch the heart of man like Christ. At times I feel like we are there to merely plant a seed ans God does the rest preventing us from thinking we are chosen or better than others.
And real true hearted Adventist Biblically speaking, you will not remove from God's truth. God's truth does not change. You have to reason outside the Bible and interject things that are not Biblical to seduce a mind from truth. And the Truth is found by Jesus's example and his life. We can never make a mistake following Jesus into the synagogue on the Sabbath Day's example. If God's law could have been changed or compromised Jesus would have never came to earth to die on Calvary. Sin could never be sin either...there would be no definition of sin that is stable. And we could never trust a Commandment as truth or could be compromised or a God who gave it who is waffling allover the place. Remember the sabbath day will ring throughout eternity (Isaiah 66:22-23) Psalm 119:151 Thou art near, O Lord; and all thy commandments are truth. (truth never changes) (Commandments are commandments, nor temporary...not suggestions either)
@@mitchellosmer1293 Mitch so much wrong with your presentation but will pick the easiest and most important. According to scripture, the actual seal of the Holy Spirit, is the giving of the Holy Spirit to the Church, which took place on Pentecost Sunday, per the original Jewish festival.
@@mitchellosmer1293 You Seventh Day Adventists should stop pretending you are just about the Bible! You are not. You are about the Bible as it validates the visions of Ellen White and the other early Pioneers. That is a huge difference! And the sad, thing is so much of what you do contradicts scripture, especially when it comes to the ministry of your favorite latter Day Prophetess.
@@mitchellosmer1293 :) I know all about Hiram Edson, the Cornfield revelation. The Investigative Judgment doctrine. The Shutdoor Prophecy/ doctrine. Th early Millerites and their failed predictions. Don't pretend that these things were not instrumental in shaping Adventism. You can pretend you are at the heart of the Protestant movement, but your movement is the antithesis of Protestantism, especially Lutheranism, of which I was raised in.
I would pay money to see a fair debate between Myles and Doug with a format described by Myles. But know it will never happen because the Adventist church doesn’t ever debate knowledgeable individuals.
@user-rg1ms6sj2k My comments are disabled, and I cannot see other comments (I’m guessing they’re blocked too), but don’t count on it. Myles is only interested in a debate that he can control the narrative (see his “debate” on the scapegoat with an Adventist pastor). I’m a nobody and he won’t even answer a simple question.
@@mitchellosmer1293 You and I debating online isn’t the same as Myles and Doug Bachelor having a public debate or discussion. When I said the Adventist church my intention was to convey having their official top scholars making themselves available to Biblical scholars to have a discussion about SDA beliefs and doctrine that are different from Protestant Christianity. Yes, there are plenty of members who will debate online. And no matter what they say… the next Adventist member will say that doesn’t represent church doctrine. Hence, the source is important - or the representative is important. I don’t even know Debate is the correct word. Rather looking to have honesty and clarity in defining what it is SDA doctrine actually is. As in Myles last video on Ty Gibson… illuminated - on the constant reframing of SDA beliefs even inside the church. My assumption you are an Adventist looking to debate, my apologies if I misread your post. Online debates I don’t find productive.
@@mitchellosmer1293 I believe you have successfully illustrated the drawbacks of online debates. I seriously doubt you would speak that way to someone in person. That is unkind, unprofessional, and not a polite way to have a discussion. You and I are human beings and while we can disagree on things there is no call for exaggerated language. Trying to discuss spiritual aspects with someone who starts with the claims you have made is an exercise in futility. Discussions should be about sharing and listening. Evaluation of ideas that seek to understand logical connections. Answering what and why we believe the way we do. What is the reason we place weight here and maybe not there. The investigative judgement is only found in Adventism . No other biblical scholar can find it in the Bible. That is a factual statement. Recommend ordering the three volume book series written by Desmond Ford.
@@mitchellosmer1293 I hope you will continue to listen to Answering Adventism and the other ministries reaching those in the Adventist faith. Though I recommend listening to understand their point of view without straw manning it. Study it out from the Bible - not to win arguments but to understand what the Bible is seeking to teach. Wish you the best.
@@mitchellosmer1293 When I referred to not for the sake of winning arguments- my intention was to convey an outlook or attitude. To have an attitude of good will and love for others. There was no thought about opinions. Others have also studied the Bible for over 40 years and longer. Recommend listening to RL Solberg. He has a ministry to those caught in Torahism (Hebrew Roots). He has debated with multiple individuals. He is an example of someone I find admirable in how he deals with those he disagrees with. That is the perspective or intent of my statement about listening without a spirit of argumentative attitude.
Superb! When it's Saturday in one part of the world it's either Friday or Sunday in other parts of the world. Some countries have daylight saving too and some don't. The Saturday Sabbath was for the Jews only, for one small part of the world only. Generally speaking, Sabbath is any day of the week now; we now always abide and rest in Christ. We are in Christ Jesus.
That however, isn't a credible argument against Sabbath keeping. If it's Saturday in your part of the world like it is for me now, the obligation is to keep that period of time holy.
A bit misleading. It can't be Saturday in one part and other parts of the world being Friday and Sunday. However, it can still be Friday while Saturday rolls around. Then when Saturday has reached everyone, it will be Sunday in some parts, and Saturday in other parts. Never is it Friday, Saturday and Sunday simultaneously. As we all go by the calendar, and know what days of the week are in the country we are living in, then there is no problem of knowing when the Sabbath begins for whatever country you are in.
@@murrayhamilton2658 Some countries have a time difference of nineteen hours between them. In a similar way is Easter Sunday though. The new creation and the new Sabbath start on resurrection Sunday when our Lord God Jesus Christ rose from the dead. In Colossians St Paul says that Christ has the pre-eminence in all things. In Hebrews it says that the law makes nothing perfect. Whoever lives under the law is still imperfect for it is only in Christ Jesus that we are perfected. The law expired when Christ bled and died to ratify a new and eternal covenant.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Some countries have a time difference of nineteen hours between them. In a similar way is Easter Sunday though. The new creation and the new Sabbath start on resurrection Sunday when our Lord God Jesus Christ rose from the dead. In Colossians St Paul says that Christ has the pre-eminence in all things. In Hebrews it says that the law makes nothing perfect. Whoever lives under the law is still imperfect for it is only in Christ Jesus that we are perfected. The law expired when Christ bled and died to ratify a new and eternal covenant.
@@mitchellosmer1293The New Testament teaches to sanctify the Lord God in our hearts i.e all the time and not only on Saturdays. We are a new creation, the first fruit of God's creation/new creation. The old has passed away the new has come. At baptism we are born again of the Spirit - new babes in Christ. Ephesians 4: 22-24 that you should put away the old self of your former way of life, corrupted through deceitful desires, and be renewed in the spirit of your minds, and put on the new self, created in God's way in righteousness and holiness of truth. The bible says to look up to Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith. Moses was a servant in God's household to tell of things that would happen in the future, but Christ is a Son in his own house. The book of Hebrews demonstrates the superiority of the new covenant over the old one. Jesus is the second Adam and the new Moses, he is leading us in a new exodus, we are going out (of bondage to the law of sin and death) to the new promised land - the New Jerusalem in heaven, we also have a new rest day, Sunday as a memorial of Christ's resurrection, of his finished work of redemption and in honor of a new beginning/a new creation/a new order in contrast to the old creation and finally Jesus gives us the new manna i.e his own spiritual body and blood to feed on. We have such a high priest who has gone into the heavens on our behalf and is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven. Romans Chapter 14 says that it is permitted to keep the Seventh Day Sabbath but not required. If you are still under the law unfortunately, your sins are only temporarily erased because Hebrews 10:4 says: "for it is impossible that the blood of bulls and goats take away sins."
One thing a lot of Adventists seem to think is that non Adventists look at Sunday the same way they look at Saturday. I’m sure some do see it that way but the majority in my experience only see it as the day to go to church, but otherwise still go shopping, eat out , mow the lawn, etc. I believe we gave that freedom on Christ. But I also do believe we do need to set up a day of rest , a day to not feel like we have to do things like other days. That’s a good practice for health and spiritual recharge, but certainly Does not have to be Saturday nor is it a salvation issue.
I live under the new covenant, not under the old covenant which is outdated. Please read Galatians and ask yourself how you would answer the question : why should you be allowed in Heaven?
Funny, I would suggest the same to you. Just keep your research to the Bible and try to resist all the teaching you received from Ellen. It’s likely hard to do as it’s probably been imprinted on you since childhood. That’s why this website is so good, it comes from someone who was immersed in Ellen’s distortions but came out of it through reading scripture alone.
Excellent! You may not be in agreement with Adventism principles but that’s a good thing. But a lot of Adventism’s interpretation of scripted comes straight from her. Especially this focus on Old Testament law and novel doctrines like investigative judgment. As Paul says, we’ll just have to agree to disagree on disputable matters like eating meat, special day observance, etc, understanding that we have no right to judge someone else’s servant. ”Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister.“ Romans 14:6-10, 13 NIV bible.com/bible/111/rom.14.6-13.NIV
Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. It shows that we love God and His Son. It is Jesus that gives us power to keep His day holy, once we are converted.
Jesus said that regarding his ciommands. Love God and your neighbor, on those two the entire law and prophets hang. Not one mention of sabbath. As Paul said, you want to follow one Law, you have to follow all 613.
FIRST…. I love your channel! Thank you for the content you share and all your hard work! I am an ex-Adventist. I am very encouraged when I see platforms like this that uncover the deception of Adventism. I was born and raised Seventh Day but always had trouble understanding the whole Mark of the Beast thing and their end of time Revelation Seminars. Even though I had trouble understanding it all the one thing I did believe was that Saturday was a Day of Rest and Holiness. The only reason I stayed in was because I truly believed that we, Seventh Day Adventist, were the ONLY commandment keeping church. It wasn't until 5 or 6years ago that the Holy Spirit revealed to me that the actual Sabbath Rest is in Christ Jesus...NOT in a day of the week! I was already beginning to doubt some the Adventist Church's doctrines and would ALWAYS leave church early whenever Ellen G. White's name or her writing's were being preached from the pulpit. People began to notice my absence when on some Saturdays I didn't show up. It was somewhat of a difficult exodus for me, as I worked at their private school and also lived on the private campus renting an apartment from the Adventist organization, (Northern California General Conference). In the end, I quit my teaching job at the Adventist School, left the church, and felt extremely unwanted in my apartment complex, due to the judgmental looks and prying questions of my where-about's on Sabbath. I chose to move out and am happy not to be associated with this false church. It can be extremely difficult redirecting an Adventist and pointing out these false doctrines because they are SO STUCK on the COMMANDMENT thing!!! I know! I used to be one! We were also BRAINWASHED into believing that Ellen G. White was simply a Christian messenger and that she NEVER contradicted the bible! If there are any Adventists out there... DO YOUR RESEARCH! Adventist DO NOT KNOW CHRIST! If they did, they would be resting everyday and not just the ONE at the end of the week!
Amen!!! What a beautiful testimony! I’m also a former SDA! You said it right, SDA’s don’t know Jesus, instead of resting in Him, they rest once a week in a day. How sad.
@@murrayhamilton2658And that is exactly how the SDA’s understand spiritual things: for them it’s all physical. The rest that Jesus gives isn’t a physical rest. It’s a spiritual rest. That’s why in Hebrews the writer says that the Israelites weren’t able to enter it because of their unbelief. You rest physically once a week in a day. We rest spiritually every day in Jesus Christ.
@@life.after.adventism Then I am sure you know as well as I do how difficult it is for them to think any other way! They can only relate to “Keeping the Commandments”. It is so sad! When I finally found the truth about Jesus being our Sabbath Rest, it was as if ALL the missing pieces came together all at once! The Old Testament scriptures took on an even greater significance pointing to the coming Messiah! I discovered truth while studying alone. No one to interfere with my thinking and no other outside influences. Just me, my Bible, and the Holy Spirit. God will reach and teach those who are genuinely in search! Gob Bless You
I never liked D.B. Extremely repulsed actually! Never knew why. I first saw him in the videos presented for the Revelation Seminars(early nineties?) There was something sinister in his manner. T W. the same- ick.
Love your channel. Never been an Adventist but my wife was caught up in it a long time ago. While I never got sucked in myself, if I am honest I’d have to say I was not equipped at the time to refute every argument and there were times when I wondered if they were right about the Sabbath. But it always seemed like such a simplistic reading of the text to make it all about worshipping on Saturday. Fortunately I am better equipped now and it ended up just being a phase for my wife and the Holy Spirit did deliver her from their false teaching. But I still know people who are caught up in it which is one of the reasons I love your channel so much. Keep up the good work brother.
Joshua 1:7 & 8 it’s not just the 10 C’s with a special emphasis on the 4th, it’s “all the law, which Moses my servant commanded thee” ! That includes temple ordinance’s, laws of purity, dietary laws, social welfare and justice, land rights and ownership, and so on !
@@juniperabbott2614nope, your wrong. The whole law was nailed to the cross and we are under the law of Christ and yes it is different and replaced the old
the book of revelation says here is the patience of the saints, here are those that keep the COMMANDMENTS of God and the testimony of Jesus. there are multiple examples in the NEW TESTAMENT. if you choose to believe what the word of God says, it's all there in black and white and red@@adamguy33
@@juligraham7319 my dear, it's time for you to understand spiritual things before trying to carry burdens and make others carry them to. Marriage, weekly sabbath and other carnal things are for the mortal bodies. God gave those to us so that we could come to Him and see Him. In His kingdom there's only one groom, only one temple, only one sabbath, only one manna, only one living water, only one promise land, etc... Do you really need me to tell you who it is ? So... the matter is not about what you should or shouldn't do in the flesh but who do you see, follow and live in the spirit. Do you understand ?
@@juligraham7319 You worship in flesh what you don't even know: James 2 doesn't speak about works of law but faith! So, saying that Jesus is ALL is spiritualizing everything ??? Oh, people of little faith... that's sad. You have eyes, but you don't see. You have ears, but you don't hear. You refuse the evidence of truth : JESUS. You only speak about and acknowledge the glory of man (the work of their flesh) while I'm talking about Jesus. I can't do anything for you except praying so that you could have real and rooted faith.
@juligraham7319 Would you be patient and tolerate me a little longer ? Just read those verses, but don't make your own conclusion : let the Holy Spirit convince you. Psaumes 51. 6 (ESV2011) Behold, you delight in truth in the inward being, and you teach me wisdom IN THE SECRET HEART. 2 Corinthiens 4. 6 (ESV2011) For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone IN OUR HEARTS to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. Jérémie 31. 33-34 (ESV2011) 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it ON THEIR HEARTS. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.” Deutéronome 30. 11-14 (ESV2011) ["THIS COMMANDMENT" is all the law repeated to the people in the desert, i hope you'll believe me so that i don't have to quote others verses of Deuteronomy] 11 “For THIS COMMANDMENT that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off. 12 ITis not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring ITto us, that we may hear ITand do IT ?’ 13 Neither is IT beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring IT to us, that we may hear IT and do IT ?’ 14 But THE WORD is very near you. IT is in your mouth and in your heart so that you can do IT. The following verse will show the true commandment, the true law. Romains 10. 4-11 (ESV2011) 4 For CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW for righteousness to everyone who believes. 5 For Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them. 6 But the righteousness based on faith says, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring CHRIST down) 7 “or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring CHRIST up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “THE WORD is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, THE WORD OF FAITH that we proclaim); 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that JESUS is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised HIMfrom the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in HIM will not be put to shame.” Éphésiens 3. 16-17 (ESV2011) 16 that according to the riches of his glory he may grant you to be strengthened with power through his Spirit IN YOUR INNER BEING, 17 so THAT CHRIST MAY DWELL IN YOUR HEARTS through faith-that you, being rooted and grounded in love, If you want to observe sabbath in flesh then the men of your life should be circumcised in flesh not in Spirit (the answer remains Jesus !). Now, should I also give you verses that show that the law is spiritual, not fleshy?
Does God want to be recognized as Creator? Did He set aside a day? He could have created on the first three days and set aside the fourth day as the rest day. He could have created the first two days and set aside the third day. He could not create everything on the first day and rest on the first day, what a good way to remove Him as Creator. And who is the one that wants to remove him from being recognized as Creator? Satan. Baptism is the celebration of the new creation. Will continue to pray for you.
After you’re done praying, go back and listen this time. Clearly you didn’t. Just parroting out the same drivel SDAs parrot without even listening. The seventh day of creation wasn’t man’s seventh day, Ralph. It was his first based on evening to evening. You guys really need to learn to listen. SDAs might be some of the worst listeners I’ve ever engaged with. And no, nowhere does scripture say baptism is a celebration of the new creation. You assumed this from 2 Corinthians 5:17, but that isn’t what Paul says or even has in view there. He’s talking about the ministry of reconciliation given to believers by virtue of what Christ accomplished, not baptism.
@@answeringadventism Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
@@answeringadventism The Seventh day did not become the Sabbath until the end of that day. Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. He rested first then He blessed and sanctified it.
@@deus_vult8111 Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Was the law of God against us ? Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. The law of God was written by the finger of God. The hand writing was by Moses and were ordinances. The Sabbath was in the garden before sin .
Yes, I’m a seventh day sabbath observer…but with caveat, 😂 I know you’d have something to say about that as you had b4..I believe it is possible however to keep the sabbath and question the doctrines of Ellen g and the organization
Myles, you of course know I disagree with you on first-day Sabbatarianism, but I still greatly appreciated this video because it demonstrates that you can at least make a biblical case for it, even if there's no verse that specifically teaches it. I truly believe that it is not an essential issue, which was one of my beefs with Adventism in the first place: by declaring that Sunday worship is (or will be) the Mark of the Beast, they make the seventh-day Sabbath a matter of salvation when it's really IMO just a matter of obedience. (I'm actually in the same boat as Dr. Allen Davis on this one, and it makes me feel good to see another ex-Adventist who keeps the seventh-day Sabbath after leaving and understands it's not about avoiding the Mark of the Beast.) While we're on the subject, I find it interesting that Doug Batchelor and other SDAs will acknowledge the Bible passages that mention the New Testament church worshipping on Sunday yet are quick to answer (correctly, IMO) that this doesn't move the Sabbath to Sunday. What's stunning is the logical inconsistency in this, because if worshipping on Sunday isn't the same as keeping a first-day Sabbath, then there's no way that Sunday worship can ever be the Mark of the Beast. If Adventism was logically consistent, they would either say that Sunday worship isn't Sunday Sabbatarianism and stop teaching that it's the Mark of the Beast, or they'd say that Sunday worship is the Mark of the Beast and stop claiming that the NT church didn't engage in Sunday Sabbatarianism. You can't have it both ways. (And the latter option, of course, would expose them as the cult they are, because they would then be declaring the NT church to be apostate and engaging in behavior that will become the Mark of the Beast.) Moreover, it's rich for Doug to quote Jesus' statement declaring Himself to be Lord of the Sabbath because it completely refutes their entire Sabbath-centric eschatology. If Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, that means He's greater than it, and by making the Sabbath the final test of loyalty to God they are elevating it above Jesus. (And before Adventist apologists rush to tell me that Sunday worship isn't currently the Mark of the Beast, Ellen White said in The Great Controversy that it IS the Mark of the Beast, not that it will be.) And in any case, it's not a sin to worship God on ANY day of the week, even if you aren't a Sabbatarian at all--in fact, quite the opposite. Again, Myles, thank you for explaining your position based on the Bible and God bless!
@@juligraham7319 Who are you to judge others on the sabbath, if the Word of God said: *"Let no man therefore judge you in ... .. or of the sabbath days"* Col 2 Are you and your cult now in the place of God to decide whats right or wrong? _"You cannot have grace and mercy without the commandments."_ WOW, and on what scripture did you build this BS demonic doctrine?
@@mitchellosmer1293 You have passed your SDA HOGWASH indoctrination with honors. WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO WORSHIP GOD ON THE SUNDAY?
Very cool in your presentation is harmonious to the ears of listeners who wants to hear the depth and width and height of the truths on the entire word of God in the scriptures.
Ha - I was listening too ABC radio 1 day and they had a prerecorded segment from 3 famous Australian musicians who were all x sda, one of the men said his grandmother who raised him was sda and they would spend 3 hours in the car to get to and from a church on Sunday that his grandmother tolerated because there was no sda church anywhere nearby and just to add insult she would spend all the trip home criticising that church.
Thank you bro for what you are doing. I have been a Seventh Day Adventist for a long time. Thank God I have found the way to truth and life. However, it is very difficult to break yourself because their ideology is strongly planted in people's minds. There are many others in this faith in my family. What would you say if you invited Doug to a conversation live? That would be interesting.
An explanation needed, why Hebrew 4 clearly stated that we should keep the the seventh day . The Israeli still keeping the the 7th day sabbath. The vision also stated by Daniel 7: 25 that the little horn will think to change time and law. Exactly that happened. If you can explain those scripture to clarify doubts.
Another word that is curious is "dawn" in Matt 28:1. It's only used one other time and that is in Lk 23:54 where they translate the Gr. as "drew on" quite a difference
So I was researching the writings of Ignatius and the translation is clearly saying that we don't observe the old sabbath anymore and them I encountered that from that Andrews (the sda theologian). There was a argument about the translation of this passage in the letter for the Magnesians. I just found an article about it written by another SDA and it looked compelling but I have no knowledge of the Greek. Anyone have any pointers on that? Maybe there is a pdf somewhere commenting on why the Ignatius translation supports that christians no longer keep the old sabbath. Sorry for not being more precise but I'm checking this podcast at work 😅. Thanks!
@@rororoFGC Ignatius’ epistle to the Magnesians is literally addressing how Christians weren’t practicing what the Jews of the day were when it comes to polity (ie: the day of corporate worship). The individuals that try and argue that Ignatius was actually arguing for seventh day sabbatarianism but it’s been mistranslated are either dishonest, clueless, or both.
btw, I would love to see a video of you digging deeper in this Ignatius letter and articulating why is safe to assume that Ignatius is defending that christians are no longer under the old sabbath. That would strength my argument as well 😃. Thank you!
After clearly showing in great details and sharply articulating the statements of the early church fathers that Christ has restored/recreated the fallen old creation to God's original design and intention it follows therefore that Sabbath is now to be observed on the first day of the week according to God's creation week from the beginning. There is really no reason for SDAs to strictly, religiously and ignorantly persist in keeping the Saturday Sabbath when it's been proven from the early apostolic age that Sabbath is on the Lord's Day, Sunday.
It seems that both you and the doctor are slightly confused about how passage of time would be denoted in Greek. “The first [day] of the Sabbath” would mean one day after the Sabbath, or the First Day. It seems the ancients did not have names for all the days of the week (or, at least, not all of them did). “Friday” is to this day referred to as “Paraskeve” or the Day of Preparation in Greek, a name derived from the NT.
Paul was invited by gentiles for a follow up sermon in ACTS 13:42 and the next sabbath almost the whole city showed up..Why didn't Paul tell them to meet him the day after???
@@boondocksaint8088The book that SUNday preachers use to support SUNday is "From SABBATH to LORD's Day" by DA Carson..no mention of "in between sabbaths"
@@mitchellosmer1293Thanks for the reply..Just in case you misunderstood me... I am pro JESUS, pro sabbath, counter Catholic cult, counter Calvinist cult. Does that help?
18:51 You said: "a common claim made by the SDA church is that the Sabbath is eternal ... they claimed the seventh day Sabbath was being observed in heaven prior to the creation of the earth ..." Can you give an example? Any video or article from the SDAs where it is plainly stated that Sabbath existed prior to the creation of the earth?
answeringadventism.com/is-the-sabbath-eternal/ The entire premise of the great controversy theme is that prior to earth being created, all of Heaven was observing the 10 commandments and there was harmony and peace. Just read the Spirit of Prophecy, Vol. 1, chapter 1.
... Do You even understand what you are suggesting in the implication that either Paul, or even Jesus Christ Himself, "Changed" - "the times and laws" of The Most High??? ...
“He (God) changes the times and seasons; he removes kings and establishes kings. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding.” Daniel 2:21 CSB
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 “For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.” Hebrews 7:12. “My point is this: The law, which came 430 years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously established by God and thus cancel the promise. For if the inheritance is based on the law, it is no longer based on the promise; but God has graciously given it to Abraham through the promise. Why, then, was the law given? It was added for the sake of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise was made would come. The law was put into effect through angels by means of a mediator. Before this faith came, we were confined under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith was revealed. The law, then, was our guardian until Christ, so that we could be justified by faith. But since that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,” Galatians 3:17-19, 23-25
@@jonasaras ... Yes, I don't doubt that Daniel wasn't devoid of the wisdom given by God in the writings of Solomon... even that of Ecclesiastes 3 ... But the "times and laws" of "The Most High", that the "one" out of the 4th "Beast", would "think" to "change",( in which Daniel referred to ), is in Daniel 7 : 25.
Is your stubbornness to act on truth which lead to salvation founded in pride, ego or fear, or is it just that God hardened your heart as He did Pharaoh's?
This was a great video Brother. You hit a lot of the main points from a different angle than normal. Keep it going and pull those who can be reached out of the shadows. 🙏
Yes. If you think about it He prepared His disciples on the 6th day and rested on the 7th day because His work on earth was done. That’s why the 4th commandment states to remember it, because of it being a shadow of Jesus Christ.
Hi again, A+A...just curious....and I`ve thought about it...where in any of the Gospels does it say that Jesus" prepared His disciples on the 6th day" or in the entire Bible? I believe that God( Christ) wrote Remember the Sabbath day in Exodus 20:8 for 2 reasons...because the children of Israel, who became slaves, after the new Pharoah " knew not Joseph" and didn`t know his God, and after 400 years in slavery, they needed to be shown by God, through Moses....secondly, God(Christ) knew that many churches in the last days would reject His laws (10 Commandments) and need to be woken up, which Seventh-day Adventists teach the 3 Angels` Messages in Revelation 14:6-12....here they are..................6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus......IF YOU READ VERSE 7, you`ll read a re-written version of that verse in Revelation 14..11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it....the Apostle John is reminding the church of Jesus, again...that the Sabbath was made for mankind, as a Memorial of His Creatorship....He created mankind and the Sabbath helps us to remember that fact, every week....also....the Sabbath clearly will be an issue in the last days.....please...watch this...Hope Sabbath School program which is broadcast to more than 200 countries with amazing results...ruclips.net/video/iZYzI03ZJFg/видео.htmlsi=aXyygsc8uKpPZ-ND&t=628........Do you believe that the Sabbath was one of the Shadows of things to come, mentioned in Col 2 :14 and Ephesians 3:15? I have a video for you....ruclips.net/video/WlmzCc7yY8A/видео.htmlsi=s9JDPw5Ds_A-G86F....God bless you as you study these things
@@alegitimateonlinebusiness3133 Are you saying JESUS CHRIST DIDN’T PROPHESIED AT THE LAST SUPPER (ON PREPARATION DAY) WHAT WAS ABOUT TO TAKE PLACE CONCERNING HIS CRUCIFIXION? Isn’t the purpose of prophecy is to PREPARE????
@@IjeomaMenkiti He's a spammer that doesn't realize he dropped his comment inside a thread. Don't worry about him. You been good A&E? Keep standing for the Truth my Friend. Blessings 🙏🕊️🙏
@@alegitimateonlinebusiness3133 So I see you changed your name again. The videos you comment on, and the Believers that support them, will continue to teach the Truth about Jesus regardless of how much you hate it. Come to the Truth. 🕊️
@silentinthemormin, I agree. It's not that hard if you get all your information from so called " Revelation Seminars" Unfortunately for you, the truth and Adventism are incompatible.
@daisyhavenergaming4610 The decrees of the catholic church are of no authority when in opposition to the commands of God. The Bible and the Bible only is the rule of faith and practice.
@daisyhavenergaming4610 "It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church." -Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.
@@daisyhavenergaming4610 "Protestants ... accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change... But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that ... in observing Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the Church, the pope." -Our Sunday Visitor, February 5th, 1950.
Males Jesus Christ never when again his Father not a new day he will be going against the Father NO MYLES THE HOLY SABBATH DAY REMAINS THE SAME SORRY MYLES AND HE WOULD SAY IT BUT HE DID SAY KEEP MY SABBATH DAY HOLY AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS I LOVED YOU ? THINK ABOUT IT BROTHER AND READ ABOUT IT Gods blessings to you mate hope you have a great week and a blessed Holy sabbath day Amen
@@juligraham7319 I am digging deeper into Christ and His truth with His guidance- not Ellen White's. At this very time I'm listening to an audiobook by Dr. Joel Hoffman who has a degree in linguistics and knows Hebrew. He has book called ' The Bible's Cutting Room Floor' that tells about parts of the bible that were cut out, ancient Hebrew context and so forth including the Apocrypha which was referenced in some of the books that Ellen White plagerized from. I am sad that there are SDA's who are so bogged down with Ellen White's writings that they don't have time to see what God has given to us all.
@@juligraham7319 Jesus Christ from the bible has me. I don't want Ellen White's Jesus, or heaven,or conspiracy theories, or bible interpretations, or personal opinions or burdens or visions from her spirit guide or otherwise. Do you have knowledge about how the KJV can't be understood as it was understood 400 years ago because the English language has changed since then? Did you know that the original bible translation doesn't use words like 'commandment' , 'good' and 'evil'? You really should study the bible for yourself instead of echoing SDA pastors and televangelists- and also bring yourself to ask God to show you who Ellen White was. A great deal of the population has no idea that the SDA church exists, much less care what day they worship.
@@juligraham7319 You think the Apocrypha is from the papacy? I think you should read it as you will find that some of the contents are familiar to what Ellen White claimed to see in what she claimed were her visions.
@@juligraham7319 I have read many of Ellen White's writings. What do you think of her receiving a message from her dead husband in a dream? Or about her dream/ visions about such things as the green cord, Jesus in a golden chariot telling her that some woman was her enemy and that something would appear to her who she called her spirit guide? There are numerous writings of Ellen White's that actually testify to the fact that she was not a prophet and neither did she behave as a woman who knew Jesus Christ nor did she seem to apply many biblical principles to her own life. The King James Version was the most accurate version in earlier centuries. Now there are bible translations that are directly from the original manuscripts made with the help of people educated in Hebrew culture and linguistics. Some in the SDA church don't want to receive the 'new light' they claim to seek and they would rather hold fast to their traditions. If the apostles from the bible had met someone like Ellen White I imagine they would treat her as they did the slave girl in Acts 16:16-20. Remember- this slave girl had followed Paul and Silas, and had cried out that they were servants of the most high God and that they were proclaiming the way to salvation. How do you think Paul and Silas had discernment about her? But as you can read the slave girl's owners did not appreciate that the spirit was cast out of her as they made money from what they claimed was her fortelling the future. And then they attacked Paul and Silas who were both beaten and thrown into prison.
As you have said. It was God's Seventh Day, it was His Sabbath as it is mentioned all through scripture. My small question is this, Sabbath simply means rest, cease from all works. Why can't Sabbath signify Redemption and salvation which was perfect and complete (ceasing from all works) and entering into His rest (His perfect and complete work: same as creation where it was perfect and complete. I understand the reason of keeping Sunday, bcoz of resurrection and the beginning of new creation in Christ. As Paul says, the new creation is here. But why not keep the Sabbath as an emblem of Rest -entering into Is rest (complete and finished work)???
So much good stuff to unpack here. It would be so much easier, if Jesus had just preached a nice sermon on this issue, after he was raised from the dead. 😅 Saw a super interesting RUclips video the other day. He showed how God created 13 months, consisting of 28 days (the moon cycle) plus one extra celebration day. Which equals 365 days perfectly.
He did preach a sermon on it before His death in a way. The Sermon on the Mount of Olives recorded in Matthew covers the Teachings, (Entolé), we are to follow. In it He doesn't give us a Sabbath or reiterate the old one. Yes, this wasn't the entirety of His teachings over His ministry. It was however the second time God spoke from a mountain top and it doesn't include a Sabbath command. Blessings 🕊️
@@RandomTChance I guess you believe that Mat 5:17-20 doesn’t include the commandments not mentioned specifically? He also doesn’t mention taking the Lord’s name in vain. Do we disregard that one as well? And to answer your first assertion of Scriptural teaching that a “change” actually is NOT possible from the apostles or church leadership, even if they wanted to, Paul covers that in Hebrews 8,9 and Galatians 3. In Hebrews 8, the writer explains that the New Covenant is the law (nomos) of God written on the heart. Same law, written in a different place. In Ch. 9, Once Christ shed His blood on the cross, the New Covenant was ratified. Now look at Galatians 3:12-18. Gal 3:15 “Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.” KJV Paul clearly states, even compared to a man’s covenant (last will and testament), once the mediator, Christ, shed His blood ratifying the New Covenant, nothing can be added or taken away.
@@douglasrutherford1446 The Covenant that Paul is referring to is the one with Abraham. By Faith we are saved, just as Abraham was. Maybe you should study better and take that veil off your heart.
@@RandomTChance You are exactly right. He is comparing the Abrahamic Covenant to a last will and testament: Gen 6:25 “because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.” KJV. If you believe that doesn’t include the Decalogue, then answer the one question that this platform and no former Adventist will dare answer honestly: What doctrine is Jesus teaching with His verbal, non-verbal, and Scriptural references (Jeremiah 7, Isaiah 56) in the Gospel of Mark 11:15-18, fulfilling the prophecy in Isaiah 28?
The idea conveyed by the author is misleading. Doug Bachelor has the clearest view of what the bible say. You must have debated Pastor Doug. And surely your opinion won't surfaced as truth.
Great video, brother. I'm very new to your channel. I currently observe the 7th day sabbath, feast days, and dietary laws, but have lately been questioning the strength of my position. I have many questions, but just one for today. Is it possible Deuteronomy 5:15 is speaking more of an incentive to obey the sabbath rather than a reason? Maybe it's similar to Lev. 19:33-34. I imagine the concept of treating the foreigner justly would have predated the Israelites redemption from Egypt. The same with Deuteronomy 24:17-18 regarding not perverting the justice due to a sojourner. It seems to me these would be incentives and not necessarily reasons. I'm fully open to any clarity and corrections. I just want to better understand.
First thing how to show and not even correct Doug on the Julian Calendar? The Julian calendar was a 8 days a week. 7 days cycle didn't exist. What were the jaw's using?
Adventists simply love to take pride in their ignorance, and how confident he is in his pride is amazing but that's what it means not knowing the truth and reading scriptures in light of the flesh and not the spirit. These folks simply want to prove to God that they can uphold the Law without the Holy Spirit. Is this vain? Yes. Do they care? No. Should they be left to their impending doom? Absolutely. Enough is Enough.
On my father's side, my whole family are Seventh Day Adventists. Since childhood, because my father him self was not Seventh Day Adventist, we as children were reprimanded, bombarded with SDA doctrine and under scrutiny and prosecution 24/7/365. Thankfully myself and my sisters, as well as my mother and dad were saved and reborn by Christ. We shared the truth and the gospel with them but they are so indoctrinated by the sorceress and witch Ellen G White that none of them ever to my knowledge got saved. Most of them are dying off, and my very first thoughts when I hear one of them died is that I know that they open up their eyes in Hell and in horror experience no "soul sleep"
Great presentation! This is stuff that I have never heard and I’ve been out of Adventism for over twenty years. One problem I see and hopefully you’ll address this in part 2. How do you separate out the 10 Commandments from the other 600 some laws? The law (all 613) were one covenant. The law did not exist before then. The New Covenant would have been the setting aside of the Old Covenant-all of it! There would have to be a restatement of the 10, as it exists under the New Covenant-but we don’t see that and instead live by the law of faith.
@@answeringadventism Now you’ve created two more problems that Adventists claim. 1. The ‘law’ 10 Commandments must be eternal-at least in part. 2. If the New Covenant is the law written in our hearts, then we should expect to have the ability to obey it-otherwise, why bother?
@@61loneviking 1. I talked about this claim in the stream. No, it isn’t a problem because what it means that they are “eternal” is simply that God is eternal and He isn’t a liar, ergo, lying is eternally wrong. This is not what the SDA church means when they claim this. They draw it out too far (because they borrowed from Reformers and Puritans not knowing what they were claiming) to ultimately try and bolster the Great Controversy narrative. 2. No, this has to do with natural theology and the law written on the conscience which evidences a transcendent quality. Remember, they reject original sin and are functionally pelagian. So the issue with keeping the law perfectly stems from a sin nature that hasn’t yet been fully removed through the act of glorification. SDAs do not agree with this. But bit more of a discussion than comment sections can contain. Lots of great works out there breaking this down better than I do.
You cannot disprove what God has said in His book. The Sabbath is the holy day of the the Lord, Genesis 2:1-3. The bible is consistent on this truth even Jesus kept the Sabbath and so are his disciples when He ha ascended to heaven.
@@mydownloadsnkambule309 God had a plan from a beginning. He decided that He would save people who trusted in His goodness and grace. He gave a law that none could obey. He died for the sins committed under that law, showing His grace and goodness, SO THAT man would be drawn to Him. THAT is what God has said in His Book. You just willfully refuse to believe that God is gracious and good. You're trying to place God in your tiny little box, trying to tell God who He is and isn't, and what He can and can do. Instead of acknowledging your total inability to live as Jesus lived, and walk as He walked, you live under the illusion that you can be like God, knowing good and evil. To you, Jesus' death and resurrection is a minor issue, and the coming of the Spirit, just a way that God helps you keep the law. As if you could ever love God with ALL of your heart, ALL of your soul, and ALL of your mind, and ALL of your strength, or even love your neighbor as yourself. We aren't trying to disprove what God has said in His book. We are trying to get YOU to believe what God says in His book. Lawkeepers are so focused on their own physical rest, that they have missed God's spiritual rest.
Israel was commanded to cease from working, not to simply remain idle twiddling their thumbs in their tents doing absolutely nothing. It entailed worship in so much as the first 4 commandments are all about that. One is to worship the only true God, no idols (1st commandment), they are to worship Him properly (2nd commandment), to not do so in vain (3rd commandment), and are to give Him a due portion of time (4th commandment). It wasn’t only about rest, though that is a major part with the substance being Christ and Him leading us into the true Promised Land, the final rest and ultimate rest of eternity with God by believing the Gospel.
@@answeringadventism In that same line of reasoning, Sabbath would be a “shadow” pointing to the greater rest of eternity as you said. Just one problem with that. According to Paul in Hebrews Ch. 8, The New Covenant is made with the house of Israel based on the same law given in a different place (Hebrews 8:10). Unless you are going to argue that the Sabbath wasn’t part of that law, which truly would be erroneous, then it cannot change. (Gal 3:15). I’ve already posted this, but here it is again: Paul makes it perfectly clear that nothing can be added or taken away from any covenant, even a man’s (last will and testament) once it is confirmed in Galatians 3:15. And the New Covenant (Heb 8:6-10, Jer 31:33) was confirmed on the Cross. (Heb 9:16-18). Same Law, written in a different place….the heart. Nothing….. NOTHING can be “changed”, added, or taken away from the Lord’s Covenant AFTER the Cross. Teaching the “change” to Sunday is Catholic theology, not Protestant!!!! God DOES NOT CHANGE!!! (Mal 3:6) Heb 13:8-9 “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines…….” This entire video and ministry can be shown to be an enormous error through a proper hermeneutic exegesis of just one simple passage from Scripture. Hermeneutics: theory of interpretation taking into account verbal, nonverbal communication, historical context, and textual references. Exegesis: Letting the text interpret itself. If anyone believes that the Sabbath Commandment was not included in "all" God's laws and statutes from Gen 26:5 that CANNOT be changed (Gal 3:15) after the Cross (Heb 9:15-17) or the reference in Mat 5:17-20 where Jesus stated that heaven and earth will have to pass away in order for His Commandments to change, then there is one question that every Christian needs to answer for themselves. The one question everyone that believes the Sabbath “changed” to Sunday, was only a Hebrew Covenant commandment, or that Jesus never taught the Sabbath simply refuses to answer: What doctrine is Jesus teaching with His verbal, non-verbal communication, and Scriptural references (Jeremiah 7, Isaiah 56) in the Gospel of Mark 11:15-18, fulfilling the prophecy from Isaiah 28:9-13? No Former SDA has ever honestly answered that question.
Whatever! So long as i keep the sabbath together with the other 9 commandments and have God's love in my fabric then my belief is it doesn't matter. God is so loving that the confused are covered
If you keep the letter of the law, the form and ceremony of it, thinking that it will bring you salvation, you are a Judaizer and a heretic. The substance of the old law, as fulfilled in Jesus Christ, is eternal, not the form. This is a question of the nature of Christ's sacrifice, of redemption, and of salvation, and needs to be answered correctly.
When did JESUS say not to sacrifice animals no more for sin. You see the only thing that BLEEDS over to the new covenant is the moral laws and no resting on Saturday or having a go to church day on Saturday is not moral or unmoral. Completely new covenant here, you been bewitched by a witch named ellen and become the foolish Galatian Paul preached to about the law duh
He instituted it as the fulfillment of the Old Testament Sabbath by breaking bread (communion) on that day. Jesus didn't say it explicitly but the disciples of his disciples, who were writing in the second century, did.
If man's 1st day is God's 7th day then the commandment to REMEMBER TO KEEP THE 7TH DAY HOLY actually be SUNDAY and therefore EVERYONE IN SCRIPTURE that kept SATURDAY (EVEN THE JEWS AND CHRIST HIMSELF) broke the Sabbath.
They use txt in Leviticus about ‘holy convocation’ to support meeting together on the sabbath, added to this the fact that Jesus went to the synagogue & we should copy his example 🤷🏼♀️ ( of course they don’t continue with other things Jesus did such as circumcision & feast days !)
@@karen61777 Jesus Christ also gathered food on a Sabbath. God said to STAY PUT & NOT LEAVE OUT OF YOUR PLACE on the Sabbath. Scripture that reads to go to church on a Saturday please.
@@IjeomaMenkiti... Sure,..Here it is: Leviticus 23 : 1 - 3 "And YHWH spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning The Feasts of YHWH, which ye shall proclaim to be Holy Convocations, even these are *MY FEASTS*. Six days shall work be done: BUT THE 7TH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF REST, AN HOLY CONVOCATION; Ye Shall Do No Work Therein: It Is The Sabbath Of YHWH In All Your Dwellings." "Holy Convocations" = gatherings of people, an assembly, (church in the Greek), a day to keep "Holy" i.e "set-apart" for resting from common 6-day labors, and resting in Yah.
@@ChrisTian-tz3eqnow show me where in the NT we are told to observe sabbath because last time I checked its not binding on the gentils. Furthermore Colossians 2:16 rebukes the adventist eternal sabbath myth its a shadow point to christ and adventist have made the sabbath an abominable idol
@@ChrisTian-tz3eq EXODUS 16:19 See! For the LORD has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. LET EVERY MAN REMAIN IN HIS PLACE; LET NO MAN GO OUT OF HIS PLACE ON THE SEVENTH DAY.” I have no choice but to believe GOD definition of a HOLY CONVOCATION is talking about the GATHERING IN YOUR HOME WITH YOUR FAMILY AND WHOEVER THAT WAS THERE WHEN THE SABBATH APPROACHED. Again, give me SCRIPTURES that reads to go to church on a SABBATH. BTW, Sabbath means REST. Another thing aren’t these “pastors” getting PAID to preach ELLEN’S words on a REST DAY? That’s not work?
Yes, true. Christ is our Sabbath because He is the Lord of the Sabbath Mark 2:27, 28. Christ is also our pattern because He kept the Law perfect, didn't break one. In Matt. 5:17, He came to fulfil...
you disagree with SDAs for quoting their own interpretations of the word and vilify them for it, all the while creating a whole channel where you refute their claims by promoting your own more popular interpretation😭
Sabbath was made for all mankind.....the 7th Day had no evening or morning..... therefore Saturday is not and cannot be the true 7th Day Sabbath....nor was it a memorial to Creation! It was a memorial to God's 7th Day Sabbath! A type and shadow of a greater reality in Christ! If Saturday is Gods 7th Day Sabbath,,then God would be resting from His Work! He's not been resting since the Fall of mankind! Thats why Saturday was a memorial, a sign, a shadow, to the Millennial Reign the Lord even of the Sabbath! This is a assenine argument from the Saturday Sabbatarians
Doug and you have it wrong. Christ did not die on Friday and he did rise on Sunday… Furthermore, how do you get Friday night to Saturday night is the 6th day? The 7th day is not was never intended as you say to be the 1st day of rest after the fall. Smh…
Would you consider finding common areas where you & Adventists can collaborate rather than attacking them? I feel that you are all followers of Christ & are beloved by Him. So, why not coexist even if you might differ in certain doctrines?
6:52 @answeringadventism And there it is. You’re referring to Hebrews 5:12 (ironically for you comes after Hebrews 4), in which Paul is referring to Isaiah 28 on how to learn Doctrine. Tell us: What doctrine is the focus in the context of Isaiah 28 that the religious leaders reject? (Isaiah 28:12). Use proper hermeneutics and tell everyone what doctrine is Jesus teaching with his verbal, non-verbal, and Scriptural references (Jeremiah 7, Isaiah 56) in the fulfillment of the Isaiah 28 prophecy in the Gospel of Mark 11:15-18?
This is all on a theory that God’s week is different than man’s week. That saying that when God said in the beginning is not the beginning,. so God’s beginning isn’t good enough for you, you have to have your own beginning. Romans.7 2 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. 13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through what was good, so that through thecommandment sin might become utterly sinful. …. So here the commandments are holy and good, but what you’re saying is that the fourth commandment is a curse to man. That is heresy. I don’t know that the commandments are eternal. But I do know the commandments have been since the beginning. My issue is some Christian say eaves disobedience was the sin. But the truth is she didn’t believe she would die so she was calling God a liar, which made her a liar. She wanted to be like God, so that is an idolatry she coveted the knowledge of good and evil, she stole the fruit . Thou shout not kill, but she did that to herself and her husband. So multiple commandments were broken. How could Kane be condemned if there was no law. How could the world be wicked in the time of Noah with no law?
How can the Sabbath Day created by Jesus BECOMR Jesus. It is like saying Henry Ford is now a car not a person. The whole concept that Jesus is now the Sabbath something Jesus created is incomprehensible and rather just nonsense. We can make the Bible say any thing we won't to but not waht God wants us to. Big words and arguments does not mean lintelligence
_"How can the Sabbath Day created by Jesus BECOMR Jesus"_ Don't you worry to understand that, for the Word of God said: " But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:" 1Cor.2
@EricHort. Just like the passover, how can the passover become a person, crazy isn't it? Can be IMPOSSIBLE for God to change a period of time that's a memorial into a person right?
If Jesus now is the Sabbath one of the 10 commands, we could now say Jesus is the 6th command and a killer . Forgive my puny brain but I just don't get it. Jesus is the LORD OF THE Sabbath or He owns it, it belongs to Him not man. Both He and His disciples went to the synaguoge on the Sabbath. If He was the Sabbath He had no need to . The command no longer exists. Gal 4,r says Both Jesus who was holy and His mother who was a sinner like us were subject to the Law as we are today . God does not change at the drop of a hat not like us mere mortals
@@EricHort-cx1jp First problem: Grow a spine and direct the question to a specific person, don't talk to yourself, that way you can go ahead and answer yourself just as well. 2) _"Both He and His disciples went to the synaguoge on the Sabbath."_ WOW! I guessed that you have missed it completely that He was born under the law to redeemed us from the law. you are such an ignorant fool Galatians 3 _" ... like us were subject to the Law as we are today"_ Yeah, you are 100% correct, you pharisees are indeed subject to the law, for you have ZERO faith in Christ for your salvation, just like Hebrews 4 explained in great detail. You worship the sabbath instead of the God of the sabbath. Exactly as your prophet have said: your sabbath keeping is your only hope for salvation. Unfortunately you are a gullible and don't notice that this is NOT BIBLICAL.
@@EricHort-cx1jpdid animal sacrafices change? What about the feasts, new moons? What about circumcision? Is there a difference between moral laws and other laws? Is Saturday moral?
The whole law is a transcript of Christ's character ( Gal 5:22-25) including the 4th precept. The law is NOT Jesus but principles we will.all.be judged by Eccl 12:12'14. The lamb that was slain in Israel's day REPRESNTED Jesus it was NOT Jesus. If the law and the Bible was only for the Jews I can't understand why people are arguing about it when it does not concern them- only the Jews
High day, or feast day sabbaths are not the same as the weekly 7th day sabbath. Those days are to be treated as a sabbaths as they were called not to do work.
Guess who doesn't work 7 days A week ..........no one does......sabbath is not a go to church day either. Its a day to rest not to leave your place , kindle no fire no work just rest. Most people work only 5 days a week therefore they take two sabbaths actually. Good thing only dumb christians fall from grace and go under bondage to be made right or obey amd thats the opposite of what the Lord commanded and Paul would just call you a foolish Galatian. You been bewitched by a witch named ellen g white , so good job at being decieved.......do you want a star
23:14 @answeringadventistism “Missed by not digging deep enough”. That seems a little hypocritical in light of that being the exact statement I made about the contextual mistake that you made in your website article on Isaiah 28. Isn’t “Context King” with you? So, what doctrine is the context of Isaiah 28 that the religious leaders ignored to their own destruction? 12 “To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.” KJV
Josh C The laws you mentioned apart from the 4th precept of the Decalogue are not part of the 10 commands . The Sabbath command is .James 2:8-12 says all precepts of this law are important as each other . I don't find this hard to understand
There's so much confusion in this video! You can look at Catholic theology and Google when did the Catholic Church change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. The Catholic Church themselves will say that it is their mark of authority. Look at what Pope Francis is doing by asking for a global green Sunday Sabbath. If you don't believe Adventist you can look at the Catholic Church they will not hide that their claim to changing the Sabbath is their mark of authority.
Claiming it does mean they made it happenen. Constantine made it lawful for Christian's to worship. All of those Christian's were not Catholic. Constantine stopped the persecution of Christians by doing so.
2 Peter 2:1-3 KJV 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. (this is living proof that this saying continues.) I have never heard of someone denying Scripture so many times to interject their imaginative ideas as doctrine of the Bible. How confounded and distorted comes this to us as Christians, especially when you state that the First Day became the new sabbath at the death of Jesus ! Wow ! Where is that Scriptural proof ??? Where does it say by Jesus resurrection God's Law can be changed ? But, instead the death of Jesus proves the immutability of God's Law. If God's Law could have been compromised or changed Jesus Christ would have never had to die...simply put. If God could have put aside its requirements no sacrifice would have been required. If it wasn't exact, or changeable, or even negotiable, no need. You have totally reasoned within yourself of "no need for a Savior." You deny so many obvious proofs that all Christians and even in the new heaven and new earth we will be keeping the sabbath. Is.66. Jesus plainly stated "not one jot nor one tittle shall be removed from the Law"...Matt. 5:18. (KJV)Hebrews 4th Chapter does not read the same in all other perversions of the Bible either. It is a new testament book also. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. (AGAIN) 6 Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, Today, after so long a time; as it is said, Today if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. (HE LIMITS A CERTAIN DAY) 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.(DID JESUS SPEAK OF ANOTHER DAY ?) 9 There remains therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.(AS GOD DID FROM HIS) (This totally refutes your idea of Sunday the first day became the new Christian sabbath " as God did from his".) Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Revelation 22:19 (WARNING) And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Revelation12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (My Brother you have been duped, sorry you didn't pay attention in Sabbath School) Someone sold you a bill of goods that can't be backed up Biblically. By tradition yes, but not by Bible. 2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise. You will not be saved into heavenly bliss by EGW but by following truth and God's Word. The truth does not fall on her writings, neither does your accountability before God. You have denied God's word and taken tradition over a plain "thus saith the Lord".
JESUS is talking about the moral commandments , not sabbaths or new moons , or feasts. With that argument you should be slaughtering animals for your sins because thats a command of the old Testament. Its called the old Testament for a reason, old covenant. The new covenant only had the moral commandments bleed over and thats it
Sabbath has always been seventh day it always will be. Catholics decided to worship on Sunday. Catholics don't understand why protestants worship on Sunday it's their thing.
Thanks for letting us know you didn’t watch. No it hasn’t always been the seventh day. It was Gods seventh day originally, not man’s. This basic error on your guys’ part throws your entire narrative off.
As you have said. It was God's Seventh Day, it was His Sabbath as it is mentioned all through scripture. My small question is this, Sabbath simply means rest, cease from all works. Why can't Sabbath signify Redemption and salvation which was perfect and complete (ceasing from all works) and entering into His rest (His perfect and complete work: same as creation where it was perfect and complete. I understand the reason of keeping Sunday, bcoz of resurrection and the beginning of new creation in Christ. As Paul says, the new creation is here. But why not keep the Sabbath as an emblem of Rest -entering into Is rest (complete and finished work)???
@@dukeofkisii where are your promises for Sunday worship? Paul never said worship on Sunday. He was finding the Christian's on the Sabbath to murder. Why? Because the early church worshipped on the 7 the day.
Hebrews 10:28 "Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses." This ONE VERSE debunks your whole video here and your similar content elsewhere. Do you not understand in the 1st Century, the Judaism under which Jesus and His Apostles and their converts lived, if they publicly rejected the Sabbath and started breaking the Sabbath, that they would have been "snatched up" like Stephen was and would have been brought before the Sanhedrin, and been stoned???? When the Apostles after the Day of Pentecost were brought before Gamaliel (Acts 5:34) who was an expert of the law, the head of the Jerusalem Sanhedrin, i.e., as we would call him the "Chief Justice" of the Sanhedrin, do you somehow think, that this Pharisee of Pharisees if he knew that these apostles had rejected the 7th Day Sabbath, would not sentenced them immediately as they stood in his presence, to be stoned ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF MOSES? To the contrary, Gamaliel said to his fellow Pharisees: " I tell you, stay away from these men and leave them alone." which no Pharisee of Jesus day would have said to anyone breaking, rejecting the 7th Day Sabbath. It was their duty according to Torah, to punish the guilty and rid the nation of law breakers. But examine all of the apostles interactions with the Jewish hierarchy throughout the book of Acts. Consider specifically Paul's enemies who wanted to and took a vow to kill him, if Paul was a Sabbath breaker as you accuse him, we would have read of that complaint which they would have made against him. But to the contrary in the book of Acts, PAUL NOR ANY BELIEVER IN JESUS WAS EVER ACCUSED OF VIOLATING THE SABBATH, for which they would have been RIGHTFULLY CONDENED TO DEATH, according to the book of Hebrews. So you are truly making yourself a 'FALSE WITNESS' which is sin, isn't it according to your "New Covenant"? If you cannot find ONE EXAMPLE of them violating the Sabbath, in the book of Acts. You obviously have no witnesses, not the TWO WITNESSES which are required to accuse someone of a capital crime. But you should not be accusing Jesus of changing the Sabbath, or the Apostles for violating the Sabbath for which you have NO EVIDENCE, just unfounded ASSUMPTIONS. This is just one major point which you have not addressed nor can you, because you have no evidence of them breaking the 7th day Sabbath and substituting Sunday.
LOL. "And unto the Jews, I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, I became as one under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law. "To them that are without the law, I became as one without the law (though I am not without law to God, but under the law of Christ), that I might gain them that are without the law... And this I do for the Gospel's sake... Paul preached the GOSPEL, NOT the law. He preached the Gospel TO THE JEW FIRST. He went to the synagogues on the Sabbath because THAT is where and when the Jews were gathering. Paul was a JEW, and yet he says, I BECAME as a Jew. In other words, he was under the law of Christ, but so as not to offend the Jews, he became as one who kept the law of Moses. Do you not remember what he said about law keeping? But take heed, lest by any means your liberty becomes a stumbling block to them that are weak...wherefore if eating mean offends my brother, I will not eat meat, lest I offend my brother. Paul kept the law so as not to offend the unbelieving Jews, that he might win them to Christ. So Paul himself is a witness. While he was with the Jews, he kept the law, but while he was with the Gentiles, he didn't. I have to laugh, though it is no laughing matter. Hebrews was written to Christian Jews who were being persecuted and killed by their unbelieving brethren for not keeping the law. They were considering returning to law keeping to avoid this persecution. Paul quotes this passage from Hebrews 10, but you conveniently leave out to rest of the chapter. OF HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the (NEW) covenant wherein he was made holy, as an unholy thing, and has done despite to the Spirit of grace?... "Now the just shall live by FAITH, but if any man draw back, My soul shall have no pleasure in him." "Thrice I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, I was lowed from a window by a basket to avoid being killed, and I was eventually beheaded." Sincerely, Paul
1. You did the exact same thing Doug did that I addressed. Just citing a proof text does nothing. 2. You either didn’t watch or didn’t listen. Almost laughable if you think there wasn’t more than one line of witness. Hebrews 4:1-11, 2 Corinthians 5, Acts 13:13-41, Matthew 28:1-10, Acts 20:1-8, Mark 16:1-8, John 5, and on and on and on. Not a single thing you stated refutes anything presented.
TELL ME SIR WHY DID THE PHARISEES WANT TO KILL APOSTLE PAUL IF HE WAS DOING WAT WAS CUSTOM ON THE SABBATH? U SEE SIR ADVENTIST IS SO OBSESSED WITH THE SHADOW AS 2ND CORINTHIANS 3 , 14 CLEARLY TEACH.
TELL ME SIR WHY DID THE PHARISEES WANT TO KILL APOSTLE PAUL IF HE WAS DOING WAT WAS CUSTOM ON THE SABBATH? U SEE SIR ADVENTIST IS SO OBSESSED WITH THE SHADOW AS 2ND CORINTHIANS 3 , 6
TELL ME SIR WHY DID THE PHARISEES WANT TO KILL APOSTLE PAUL IF HE WAS DOING WAT WAS CUSTOM ON THE SABBATH? U SEE SIR ADVENTIST IS SO OBSESSED WITH THE SHADOW AS 2ND CORINTHIANS 3 , 14 BUT THEIR MINDS WERE MADE DULL FOR UP TILL THIS DAY WH3N THEY READ THE OLD COVENANT A VEIL REMAINS OVER THEIR EYES. U SEE PAUL GOING TO THE SYNAGOGUES ON THE SABBATH AS A POINT FINAL TO PROVE THE ETERNALITY OF THE SABBATH. U FAIL TO REALIZE THAT APOSTLE PAUL WAS PREACHING THE GOSPEL. IT WAS NOT BUSINESS AS USUAL SIR OPEN UR MINDS
Truth is relevant to what is convenient for us to believe. If the Bible says there is only one Sabbath Day not another one, why try to prove otherwise. I am still waiting for some one to tell me where God, Jesus or the disciples have said that in the Bible (not other men), where the first day is now the Sabbath- the actual text, and I will be a happy chap . As yet I prefer the Bible to interpret itself and not men. Why countermand what God has graciously given to us for our benefit It won't be long now when we all will find out whether the Bible is telling the truth or man's excuses not to obey God. There are only two persons we can obey. If we don't obey God it is a forgone conclusion we are following Satan. We can't serve two masters. I know whom I want follow. Because any of us CLAIM TO HAVE THE TRUTH, does not necessarily mean we have it. Texts like Isa 8 20 and Rev 22,14 reveal all I wish to know. Gods plan for salvation from sin is not rocket science as some people make it People have become SDA by just reading the Bible with no coersion from any one. Gods plan contemplates our complete recovery from the power of Satan. I can't understand why people can't understand what God is trying to tell us in Hs word. He could not make it any plainer.
Well thats not true, and being a christian is not what you do or dont do on Saturday thats rediculous, the essense of the sabbath was never a go to church day anyway and in the new covenant only the moral laws BLEED over , sabbath was never a command for the gentile church ever. And it wasn't commanded for Adam, Enoch , or Abraham either . Paul would call you guys foolish Galatians, youve been bewitched by a witch named ellen , its sad but true
I don't agree with you. Saturday is and always has been the seventh day of the week, and therefore it it still the Sabbath day. However, equally correct Sunday is still the first day of the week, and as such it has never turned into the Sabbath Day, but it is still the day in which our Lord Yeshua Messiah has risen (by the way, just before the daylight portion of the day because that was the third night in the tomb.) Now, as far as "Keeping the Day Holy, and doing no work in it;" neither we Christians, the Orthodox Jews, or the sda people are keeping any Sabbaths. We don't even observe the Holy high Moedim of God, but celebrate pagan holidays readily. As a matter of fact today is November 6th, and just a few days ago the pagans celebrated their favorite "holiday." But then again, against the sda obsession with the Sabbath Day, our Lord Yeshua Messiah has become our Sabbath rest, and we are not bound by the ordinances of the law. Who today is KEEPING any Sabbath day? I say nobody is, even if they think they are. The first day of the week is not and never has been the Sabbath. We don't take a sabbat on Sunday, we just gather together to worship and get taught the Bible, in some cases hearing the meaning of some of the more obscure passages.
Another Bible prophecy became reality in our days. Daniel 7:25."He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time." Ezekiel 22:26 "Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them." God's law is merely a mirror to identify sin. It is the reflection of our savior's character. Our one and only idol. The law of God was used by the enemy to trick humans. and keep us apart from God. God issues a rule and then withdraws it. That is not how it is. The divine law is eternal. It doesn't imply we can't do it, we can now change it or abolish it based on our own preferences and understanding and follow the other side. You dont have the authority to removed even a single word of the laws. We are not superior than the god. God's law is that linked the father and us. It is best to avoid focusing on imperfections of others or passing judgment on them. It tells someone that they are not required to follow the entire God's law by writing it in their hearts. Disobedience will only make us more like the enemy of God in our ignorance and pride. We should humble ourselves before God. As Jesus saying.. Matthew 5:17-18. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished." "John 14:15. If you love me. Keep my commandments."God simply asks that we respect, obey, follow, and love him since he is our only creator and lord. All he asks is that we just trust and obey, and he will take care and lead the way. With God nothing is impossible. With the help of the holy spirit and the grace of Jesus. Revelation 7:21, "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. (The divine laws and the grace of God are one.} The prophecy that does not yet fulfilled: Isaiah 66:17 “Those who consecrate and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following one who is among those who eat the flesh of pigs, rats and other unclean things they will meet their end together with the one they follow,” declares the LORD. End time battle for the real people in Christ: Revelation 12:17. “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ”
Nice proof texting job, with out context it means nothing and without the entirety of the new testament also means nothing. The only thing that BLEEDS over from the old covenant to the new covenant is the moral laws and nothing else. Unless you still sacrafice animals , force christians world wide to be circumcised and eat kosher . some people are to dense and lack the teaching of the Holy spirit to understand anything. Paul would just call you a FOOLISH Galatian, whos bewitched you, oh I see a witch named ellen
Does it say anywhere in scripture verbatim saying Sabbath is needed for salvation? All I really need to know that all of SDA and EGW teachings are false.
The 7th day sabbath is a sign of which god you worship. The God of creation says keep my sabbath . It is the commandment that includes His seal of authority.
@@peterwilliams843 for the Jews and He says so. A false prophet helped start SDA. She made Sabbath worship an idol tied to your salvation. Only Jesus saves you nothing else. Try reading a real Bible, not your Clear word one. Not filtered through her the Great Controversy. I feel really sorry for all the deceptions you believe. I know where my salvation comes from, and it has nothing to do with anything EGW says she saw, heard or wrote. We are warned to watch for anyone who teaches a false Gospel that does not come from the Bible and only the Bible. Yours does. Hope and pray you figure that out before it's too late.
@@peterwilliams843 it really doesn't say any of that in Genesis 2. God never ended the 7th day, never said to worship on that day, and never called it the Sabbath then. Again, try reading the real Bible not filtered through EGW's false everything.
@@TexasGrandma2010 Gen 2 says He blessed it, rested on it and made it a holy day. In Exod 20:8 we were reminded to keep it holy. That is from the Bible not EGW The highest form of worship is obedience
@peterwilliams843 ex is only to the Jews. Read Ex again. Words matter. Mosaic covenant was for the Jews. I find it sad that when SDA people come on these sites your passion is for the Sabbath and not Christ. Christ saves us, not what day we worship Him on. Mosaic law ended when Christ died and rose again. Jewish leaders wanted Jesus killed because He broke the Sabbath laws. And SDA do not follow Sabbath laws. You follow all of them or you don't follow the Sabbath.
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This is the video that explained the Sabbath to me. I watched it for the first time during the last week of 2023. I've never read Deuteronomy 5! (since you never hear this scripture mentioned in SDA sermons and Bible study) Thank you Myles for your thorough presentation on the purpose behind the Sabbath. Absolutely love this illustration! Because of this understanding, I started to attend church on Sunday when the Holy Spirit nudged me to start attending church again.
No man read Deuteronomy 4 the whole thing. But here is vs 40 Thou shalt keep therefore his statutes, and his commandments, which I command thee this day, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days upon the earth, which the Lord thy God giveth thee, for ever.
(Summary )is has anyone anywhere seen deliverance and great signs from God as you have seen. For God to deliver you out of Egypt? Therefore obey all my commandments and statutes.
What dose that mean? Only because I delivered you keep my commandments? Or is it remember what I did for you and keep my commandments? Same as the sabbath command. Is it only because I delivered you or is is I did deliver you now keep my sabbath. Also this goes against what he says in the beginning that sabbath was because our work was cursed and our rest was cursed after the fall. So what’s it after the fall or because they were delivered out of Egypt?
Please don't base your spiritual future in this video or site! Have a look around and you'll find many videos on the Sabbath. Always use scripture as a filter.
This video is about earning money by attacking a church. It's full of errors and deceptions. Even if you just googled Sabbath bible verses, then read them all, you'd learn more. Nowhere does it say in scripture that the Sabbath changed. The catholic Church changed it. Just because most people follow it, doesn't mean it's right! Intact it's breaking the 4th commandment. Jesus saved us and removed the penalty from the law, but he definitely didn't remove the law!
Side point also, Doug says we "christians" are judged by the 10 commandments". As no one can keep the 10 commandments, including seventh day sabbath keeping, a
then we are all lost. His statement completely destroys that work of redemption and Christs finished work of atonement of no effect. We are ALL unsaved in his biblical hermeneutics because ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The test is rest by faith in Christs redeeming work and seals us with the Holy Spirit.
If it's not bad enough Ellen White can't get the future correct, she can't get history correct either. Her claim is that the early Christians were keeping the 7th day Sabbath until the catholic church changed it. Ignatius of Antioch was one of the earliest writers of early Christianity. He records the very early Christians as no longer keeping the Sabbath. The following is a quote from The Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians (chapter 9 paragraph 1) ........ "If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death - whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master - how shall we be able to live apart from Him, whose disciples the prophets themselves in the Spirit did wait for Him as their Teacher? And therefore, He whom they rightly waited for, having come, raised them from the dead. Matthew 27:52"
You're the one who has no sense of history. Acts 15:21 shows the early Christians keeping it. But ofc, you had to quote the uninspired writings of a Sunday keeper to make your point seem more authoritative. Nowhere in the Bible did Christ ever command anyone to celebrate His resurrection or assign sacred status to Sunday. Acts continues to refer to Sunday as "the first day of the week", thereby destroying your false argument.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Your interpretation of Acts 15:21 would mean the early Christians were going to synagogues? The only relationship they had with Jews was preaching the gospel.
If you read Acts 15:19 -“It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God." Because they were preaching something new and different to what they had known since ancient times. In other words, "when in Rome do as the Romans".....not as they are regularly doing, being sensitive to what the people they are going to preach the gospel to have known since Moses. You can't read Acts 15:21 without reading Acts 15:19. They were being given special instructions on bringing the gospel to people who had known nothing but Moses since ancient times. So that they weren't stepping on anybody's toes while bringing the gospel.
By writing Acts 15:21, they were making sure their message wasn't being misinterpreted as lawlessness. Acts 15:19 makes this clear.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779Ironically you don't have any sense of contextual understanding of the bible.
This sermon by Doug is devastating...rejecting living under grace. Holding people in bondage to the law. The problem is the questions the sda church ask, setting a false platform in peoples minds because they believe the matter is between saturday or sunday. They place the new creation (rest in Christ's work) as a completely separate matter. They dont even believe the atonement was completed on the cross. Once we all cease examining a day rather than the redemptive work of Christ we will continue arguing over a day. True sabbath is resting in His finished work.
Lets encourage one another to enter this rest
This may be a little simplistic but in Romans, Paul seems to say that one’s view of a Sabbath is entirely an issue of personal conscience like food or drinking.
“One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.”
Romans 14:5 NIV
It says nothing about the sabbath. Simply about esteeming each day as a Christian in example to God as a witness here upon the earth. Don't try to make it say what is not said. God's holiness fell on only one day of the week and that He sanctified it and made it holy, the 7th. In Luke 23:56 you will find the first thing the new Christian first generation converts in Jesus immediately ceased the burial process of his body to keep the sabbath "according to the Commandment". It was not done away with at Christ's death. In the book of Acts they were still measuring their activities during the week anticipating the sabbath."a sabbath's day journey". A weeks activities time from sabbath to sabbath, how far they would travel in a weeks time from sabbath to sabbath. Acts 1:12 KJV. He never compromised the sabbath, and institution He created in the creation week.
"All things were made by him and for Him."
Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
(FROM THE CREATION OF THE WORLD, that includes the 7th day sabbath.)
Colossians 1: (Jesus created the Sabbath during the creation week)
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
It’s pretty clear, ‘all days are the same ‘ says it all for me.
Here too, it’s pretty clear in the new covenant the sabbath as described in the Old Testament is changed.
“But now that you know God-or rather are known by God-how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.”
Galatians 4:9-11 NIV
@@jsimoes9424I believe he was referencing the Judaizers. They were giving up their grace to be back under the yoke of the Law. Wanting circumcision and following other parts of Mosaic Law.
Exactly. To insist on Old Testament laws and practices is what the Judaizers and Adventist theology have in common
At the 1:13:15 mark..... Doug Batchelor makes the statement....."I was so into Christianity......." I would just stop listening to him after that. He's not into Christianity anymore? Doug Batchelor loves using hundreds of verses to argue adventist teachings like Michael the Archangel in the Bible is Christ, and eating meat is bad, and claiming to keep the commandments of the old testament (which, by the way, who decided he shouldn't keep Passover or Rosh Hashanah or Yom Kippur? because those are all holy days of the old testament and would lead to being cut off from your people for not keeping). If everyone should keep the 10 commandments the way Doug is saying, how about children with atheist parents? Should they honor their father and mother? You can't pick and choose which holy days not to keep, if you are claiming to keep the holy days of the old testament. His teaching leads to saying the 4th commandment is the greatest commandment. Christ said otherwise in Mark ch.12.
When Doug speaks his left brain doesn't consult with his right brain.
"His teaching leads to saying the 4th commandment is the greatest commandment." That's Sabbatarianism. It's ALL about the Sabbath. The Sabbath is their god, their savior.
I was born and Raised SDA. 3rd generation.Dad wasn't a pastor but Mom wanted to be a "Bible worker" and attended WWC to that end. I was steeped in Adventism as much as any kid.
After roughly 10 years agnostic and 25 as a Southern Baptist I converted to Eastern Orthodoxy.
That was the biggest eye opener of my life.
The impossibility of any papal edict changing any Sabbath. Simply didn't and couldn't have happened due to the nature of early Christian polity.
Sorry Mrs White, but Constantine was never a Pope. You can't even read a history book and get things right.
Yes the Apostles COULD HAVE changed the sabbath or other Jewish laws. Carefully read Matthew 28. It clearly says so.
A person may argue about it, but there IS scriptural precident for that understanding. A different opinion therefore needs substantive evidence to the contrary.
The next thing that I learned is that the Greek word for Sunday is even today Kiriaki. Which translates directly to "the Lord's Day" it is not connected at all to the Sun as SDAs assert.
Spanish does the same. German "my 3rd language" is like English in it's connection to pagan sun veneration.
But even 2000 years after the fact, Greeks don't fall for Adventism BECAUSE they know what the Lord's Day is.
Yes. EGW had zero understanding of eastern Christianity or the eastern branch of the Church. This leading to serious problems and blunders.
This is laughable...And real true hearted Adventist Biblically speaking, you will not remove from God's truth. God's truth does not change. You have to reason outside the Bible and interject things that are not Biblical to seduce a mind from truth. And the Truth is found by Jesus's example and his life. We can never make a mistake following Jesus into the synagogue on the Sabbath Day's example. If God's law could have been changed or compromised Jesus would have never came to earth to die on Calvary. Sin could never be sin either...there would be no definition of sin that is stable. And we could never trust any Commandment as truth or could be compromised, or a God who gave it waffling allover the place.. Remember the sabbath day will ring throughout eternity (Isaiah 66:22-23) Psalm 119:151
Thou art near, O Lord; and all thy commandments are truth. (truth never changes)
(Commandments are commandments, nor temporary...not suggestions either) Go online and read the Edict of Constantine in 321. educate yourself.
That's another thing: Adventists can't seem to agree whether the pope changed the Sabbath or Constantine.
@@hotwax9376 Heck, they can't tell the difference.
SABBATH TRASHING insults, JESUS, HOLY SPIRIT and ALL 4 GOSPEL writers....
John’s gospel account, inspired by HOLY SPIRIT and recorded..80-110 AD
“Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.” JN 21:25
John includes at least 8 explanatory and time sequence/chronology editing comments: 2:2, 3:24, 6:71, 7:39, 11:2, 12:16 & 33, 21:19.
Why are there ZERO editing words included 50 years or more after JESUS left Earth (New Covenant era) regarding Sabbath cessation, abrogation, abolishing, obliteration, being a shadow, fulfilled by Christ, not valid for gentiles.. in any of the sabbath verses of JOHN's sabbath accounts in JOHN's chapters 5,7 and 9 ???? If it was a big deal enough for JOHN to include 3 sabbath encounters in his gospel account, wouldn't it be obvious that he would mention about the disciples/church trashing it and replacing it with a SUNday/Lord's Day observance???? This argument does not get presented or answered in SABBATH/SUNday-Lord's Day debates. Was JOHN a clueless, crazy, stupid idiot??
I don’t fully believe Doug’s story about asking those non SDA pastors about the sabbath. I believe that they may have given the answers he cited but were probably much more thorough and theologically rich than he gave them credit for. I think the smug dismissal of the answers they gave is probably what he heard when he went back to the SDA pastor.
Also it’s incredibly ironic that SDAs claim to love Martin Luther. As a Lutheran I am sure if Luther was around today he would be just as brutally polemical against SDA teaching as he was towards the papists and anabaptists
Thank God for pastor like Walter veith pastor Bradshaw and the holy spirit
Messing up Doug's money bag. Doug's used car salesman tactic is on trial. 😂
And because SDA is such a small cult, he’s got away with it for years
@@nitrojanks2977 No, it's a big cult worldwide. They mix truth with falsehood thereby making it a bit harder for bible illiterates to identify. For example they may say Jesus is their savior but it means something different than what other Christians may believe when digging further. They are the largest socially accepted cult along with JW and Mormons.
Used car salesman! 👍 I 🤣🤣
@@nitrojanks2977 I wouldn't say they are small but rather an accepted cult.
@@flexx7611 they are tiny cult
As far as the Sabbath Seal stuff, I try to hit Adventists hard on "laying a different foundation" than the one that has been laid. And the same goes for preaching a new gospel. But you cannot just change the rules with 1844,. Now I haven't won a person yet from Adventism, but I have had them use the remnant line after I made a big list of the various Biblical truth problems with their Present Truth message, so I'm counting that as a success.
You're but an instrument of the Lord. Us mere man cannot touch the heart of man like Christ. At times I feel like we are there to merely plant a seed ans God does the rest preventing us from thinking we are chosen or better than others.
And real true hearted Adventist Biblically speaking, you will not remove from God's truth. God's truth does not change. You have to reason outside the Bible and interject things that are not Biblical to seduce a mind from truth. And the Truth is found by Jesus's example and his life. We can never make a mistake following Jesus into the synagogue on the Sabbath Day's example. If God's law could have been changed or compromised Jesus would have never came to earth to die on Calvary. Sin could never be sin either...there would be no definition of sin that is stable. And we could never trust a Commandment as truth or could be compromised or a God who gave it who is waffling allover the place. Remember the sabbath day will ring throughout eternity (Isaiah 66:22-23)
Psalm 119:151
Thou art near, O Lord; and all thy commandments are truth. (truth never changes)
(Commandments are commandments, nor temporary...not suggestions either)
@@mitchellosmer1293 Mitch so much wrong with your presentation but will pick the easiest and most important. According to scripture, the actual seal of the Holy Spirit, is the giving of the Holy Spirit to the Church, which took place on Pentecost Sunday, per the original Jewish festival.
@@mitchellosmer1293 You Seventh Day Adventists should stop pretending you are just about the Bible! You are not. You are about the Bible as it validates the visions of Ellen White and the other early Pioneers. That is a huge difference! And the sad, thing is so much of what you do contradicts scripture, especially when it comes to the ministry of your favorite latter Day Prophetess.
@@mitchellosmer1293 :) I know all about Hiram Edson, the Cornfield revelation. The Investigative Judgment doctrine. The Shutdoor Prophecy/ doctrine. Th early Millerites and their failed predictions. Don't pretend that these things were not instrumental in shaping Adventism. You can pretend you are at the heart of the Protestant movement, but your movement is the antithesis of Protestantism, especially Lutheranism, of which I was raised in.
And if the popular argument against the sabbath is that the law(mosaic) is done away with; why say “first-day sabbath”
I would pay money to see a fair debate between Myles and Doug with a format described by Myles.
But know it will never happen because the Adventist church doesn’t ever debate knowledgeable individuals.
@user-rg1ms6sj2k
My comments are disabled, and I cannot see other comments (I’m guessing they’re blocked too), but don’t count on it. Myles is only interested in a debate that he can control the narrative (see his “debate” on the scapegoat with an Adventist pastor).
I’m a nobody and he won’t even answer a simple question.
@@mitchellosmer1293
You and I debating online isn’t the same as Myles and Doug Bachelor having a public debate or discussion. When I said the Adventist church my intention was to convey having their official top scholars making themselves available to Biblical scholars to have a discussion about SDA beliefs and doctrine that are different from Protestant Christianity.
Yes, there are plenty of members who will debate online. And no matter what they say… the next Adventist member will say that doesn’t represent church doctrine.
Hence, the source is important - or the representative is important.
I don’t even know Debate is the correct word. Rather looking to have honesty and clarity in defining what it is SDA doctrine actually is. As in Myles last video on Ty Gibson… illuminated - on the constant reframing of SDA beliefs even inside the church.
My assumption you are an Adventist looking to debate, my apologies if I misread your post.
Online debates I don’t find productive.
@@mitchellosmer1293
I believe you have successfully illustrated the drawbacks of online debates. I seriously doubt you would speak that way to someone in person. That is unkind, unprofessional, and not a polite way to have a discussion.
You and I are human beings and while we can disagree on things there is no call for exaggerated language.
Trying to discuss spiritual aspects with someone who starts with the claims you have made is an exercise in futility.
Discussions should be about sharing and listening. Evaluation of ideas that seek to understand logical connections.
Answering what and why we believe the way we do. What is the reason we place weight here and maybe not there.
The investigative judgement is only found in Adventism . No other biblical scholar can find it in the Bible. That is a factual statement.
Recommend ordering the three volume book series written by Desmond Ford.
@@mitchellosmer1293 I hope you will continue to listen to Answering Adventism and the other ministries reaching those in the Adventist faith.
Though I recommend listening to understand their point of view without straw manning it. Study it out from the Bible - not to win arguments but to understand what the Bible is seeking to teach. Wish you the best.
@@mitchellosmer1293
When I referred to not for the sake of winning arguments- my intention was to convey an outlook or attitude. To have an attitude of good will and love for others.
There was no thought about opinions. Others have also studied the Bible for over 40 years and longer.
Recommend listening to RL Solberg. He has a ministry to those caught in Torahism (Hebrew Roots). He has debated with multiple individuals. He is an example of someone I find admirable in how he deals with those he disagrees with. That is the perspective or intent of my statement about listening without a spirit of argumentative attitude.
Superb! When it's Saturday in one part of the world it's either Friday or Sunday in other parts of the world. Some countries have daylight saving too and some don't. The Saturday Sabbath was for the Jews only, for one small part of the world only. Generally speaking, Sabbath is any day of the week now; we now always abide and rest in Christ. We are in Christ Jesus.
That however, isn't a credible argument against Sabbath keeping. If it's Saturday in your part of the world like it is for me now, the obligation is to keep that period of time holy.
A bit misleading. It can't be Saturday in one part and other parts of the world being Friday and Sunday. However, it can still be Friday while Saturday rolls around. Then when Saturday has reached everyone, it will be Sunday in some parts, and Saturday in other parts. Never is it Friday, Saturday and Sunday simultaneously.
As we all go by the calendar, and know what days of the week are in the country we are living in, then there is no problem of knowing when the Sabbath begins for whatever country you are in.
@@murrayhamilton2658 Some countries have a time difference of nineteen hours between them. In a similar way is Easter Sunday though. The new creation and the new Sabbath start on resurrection Sunday when our Lord God Jesus Christ rose from the dead. In Colossians St Paul says that Christ has the pre-eminence in all things. In Hebrews it says that the law makes nothing perfect. Whoever lives under the law is still imperfect for it is only in Christ Jesus that we are perfected. The law expired when Christ bled and died to ratify a new and eternal covenant.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Some countries have a time difference of nineteen hours between them. In a similar way is Easter Sunday though. The new creation and the new Sabbath start on resurrection Sunday when our Lord God Jesus Christ rose from the dead. In Colossians St Paul says that Christ has the pre-eminence in all things. In Hebrews it says that the law makes nothing perfect. Whoever lives under the law is still imperfect for it is only in Christ Jesus that we are perfected. The law expired when Christ bled and died to ratify a new and eternal covenant.
@@mitchellosmer1293The New Testament teaches to sanctify the Lord God in our hearts i.e all the time and not only on Saturdays. We are a new creation, the first fruit of God's creation/new creation. The old has passed away the new has come. At baptism we are born again of the Spirit - new babes in Christ. Ephesians 4: 22-24 that you should put away the old self of your former way of life, corrupted through deceitful desires, and be renewed in the spirit of your minds, and put on the new self, created in God's way in righteousness and holiness of truth. The bible says to look up to Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith. Moses was a servant in God's household to tell of things that would happen in the future, but Christ is a Son in his own house. The book of Hebrews demonstrates the superiority of the new covenant over the old one. Jesus is the second Adam and the new Moses, he is leading us in a new exodus, we are going out (of bondage to the law of sin and death) to the new promised land - the New Jerusalem in heaven, we also have a new rest day, Sunday as a memorial of Christ's resurrection, of his finished work of redemption and in honor of a new beginning/a new creation/a new order in contrast to the old creation and finally Jesus gives us the new manna i.e his own spiritual body and blood to feed on. We have such a high priest who has gone into the heavens on our behalf and is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven.
Romans Chapter 14 says that it is permitted to keep the Seventh Day Sabbath but not required. If you are still under the law unfortunately, your sins are only temporarily erased because Hebrews 10:4 says: "for it is impossible that the blood of bulls and goats take away sins."
One thing a lot of Adventists seem to think is that non Adventists look at Sunday the same way they look at Saturday.
I’m sure some do see it that way but the majority in my experience only see it as the day to go to church, but otherwise still go shopping, eat out , mow the lawn, etc.
I believe we gave that freedom on Christ. But I also do believe we do need to set up a day of rest , a day to not feel like we have to do things like other days. That’s a good practice for health and spiritual recharge, but certainly Does not have to be Saturday nor is it a salvation issue.
I live under the new covenant, not under the old covenant which is outdated.
Please read Galatians and ask yourself how you would answer the question : why should you be allowed in Heaven?
Funny, I would suggest the same to you. Just keep your research to the Bible and try to resist all the teaching you received from Ellen.
It’s likely hard to do as it’s probably been imprinted on you since childhood.
That’s why this website is so good, it comes from someone who was immersed in Ellen’s distortions but came out of it through reading scripture alone.
Excellent! You may not be in agreement with Adventism principles but that’s a good thing.
But a lot of Adventism’s interpretation of scripted comes straight from her. Especially this focus on Old Testament law and novel doctrines like investigative judgment.
As Paul says, we’ll just have to agree to disagree on disputable matters like eating meat, special day observance, etc, understanding that we have no right to judge someone else’s servant.
”Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister.“
Romans 14:6-10, 13 NIV
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Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. It shows that we love God and His Son. It is Jesus that gives us power to keep His day holy, once we are converted.
Jesus said that regarding his ciommands. Love God and your neighbor, on those two the entire law and prophets hang.
Not one mention of sabbath.
As Paul said, you want to follow one Law, you have to follow all 613.
FIRST…. I love your channel! Thank you for the content you share and all your hard work!
I am an ex-Adventist. I am very encouraged when I see platforms like this that uncover the deception of Adventism. I was born and raised Seventh Day but always had trouble understanding the whole Mark of the Beast thing and their end of time Revelation Seminars. Even though I had trouble understanding it all the one thing I did believe was that Saturday was a Day of Rest and Holiness. The only reason I stayed in was because I truly believed that we, Seventh Day Adventist, were the ONLY commandment keeping church. It wasn't until 5 or 6years ago that the Holy Spirit revealed to me that the actual Sabbath Rest is in Christ Jesus...NOT in a day of the week! I was already beginning to doubt some the Adventist Church's doctrines and would ALWAYS leave church early whenever Ellen G. White's name or her writing's were being preached from the pulpit. People began to notice my absence when on some Saturdays I didn't show up. It was somewhat of a difficult exodus for me, as I worked at their private school and also lived on the private campus renting an apartment from the Adventist organization, (Northern California General Conference). In the end, I quit my teaching job at the Adventist School, left the church, and felt extremely unwanted in my apartment complex, due to the judgmental looks and prying questions of my where-about's on Sabbath. I chose to move out and am happy not to be associated with this false church. It can be extremely difficult redirecting an Adventist and pointing out these false doctrines because they are SO STUCK on the COMMANDMENT thing!!! I know! I used to be one! We were also BRAINWASHED into believing that Ellen G. White was simply a Christian messenger and that she NEVER contradicted the bible! If there are any Adventists out there... DO YOUR RESEARCH! Adventist DO NOT KNOW CHRIST! If they did, they would be resting everyday and not just the ONE at the end of the week!
Amen!!! What a beautiful testimony! I’m also a former SDA! You said it right, SDA’s don’t know Jesus, instead of resting in Him, they rest once a week in a day. How sad.
I can't rest everyday...He who doesn't work shouldn't eat. I am happy to rest from my employment on Sabbath. It is a blessing.
@@murrayhamilton2658And that is exactly how the SDA’s understand spiritual things: for them it’s all physical. The rest that Jesus gives isn’t a physical rest. It’s a spiritual rest. That’s why in Hebrews the writer says that the Israelites weren’t able to enter it because of their unbelief.
You rest physically once a week in a day. We rest spiritually every day in Jesus Christ.
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So true and AMEN!
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Then I am sure you know as well as I do how difficult it is for them to think any other way! They can only relate to “Keeping the Commandments”. It is so sad! When I finally found the truth about Jesus being our Sabbath Rest, it was as if ALL the missing pieces came together all at once! The Old Testament scriptures took on an even greater significance pointing to the coming Messiah! I discovered truth while studying alone. No one to interfere with my thinking and no other outside influences. Just me, my Bible, and the Holy Spirit. God will reach and teach those who are genuinely in search! Gob Bless You
So basically the SDA guards a day that is no longer required just as the Russian guard guarded a spot that no longer had significance?
Hmmm 🤔🧐🤔
I never liked D.B. Extremely repulsed actually! Never knew why. I first saw him in the videos presented for the Revelation Seminars(early nineties?) There was something sinister in his manner. T W. the same- ick.
Doug batchelor, accept the challenge for a debate, I want to see you stutter!!
Love your channel. Never been an Adventist but my wife was caught up in it a long time ago. While I never got sucked in myself, if I am honest I’d have to say I was not equipped at the time to refute every argument and there were times when I wondered if they were right about the Sabbath. But it always seemed like such a simplistic reading of the text to make it all about worshipping on Saturday. Fortunately I am better equipped now and it ended up just being a phase for my wife and the Holy Spirit did deliver her from their false teaching. But I still know people who are caught up in it which is one of the reasons I love your channel so much. Keep up the good work brother.
The Holy Spirit doesn't lead people to sin.
Joshua 1:7 & 8 it’s not just the 10 C’s with a special emphasis on the 4th, it’s “all the law, which Moses my servant commanded thee” ! That includes temple ordinance’s, laws of purity, dietary laws, social welfare and justice, land rights and ownership, and so on !
ordinances were nailed to the cross, not the Ten Commandments
@@juniperabbott2614nope, your wrong. The whole law was nailed to the cross and we are under the law of Christ and yes it is different and replaced the old
the book of revelation says here is the patience of the saints, here are those that keep the COMMANDMENTS of God and the testimony of Jesus. there are multiple examples in the NEW TESTAMENT. if you choose to believe what the word of God says, it's all there in black and white and red@@adamguy33
Can u give biblical verses to support that in the book of law , 10Cs were also included
Thanks Myles..and SDA theology points to Eden they dont realize God is done with Eden Jesus is now the substance of our worship,our sabbath rest
@@juligraham7319 we do it like it is said in Hebrews 4 : we who believe enter rest every "TODAY" by faith. And you ?
@@juligraham7319 my dear, it's time for you to understand spiritual things before trying to carry burdens and make others carry them to.
Marriage, weekly sabbath and other carnal things are for the mortal bodies. God gave those to us so that we could come to Him and see Him. In His kingdom there's only one groom, only one temple, only one sabbath, only one manna, only one living water, only one promise land, etc... Do you really need me to tell you who it is ?
So... the matter is not about what you should or shouldn't do in the flesh but who do you see, follow and live in the spirit. Do you understand ?
@@juligraham7319 You worship in flesh what you don't even know: James 2 doesn't speak about works of law but faith!
So, saying that Jesus is ALL is spiritualizing everything ??? Oh, people of little faith... that's sad. You have eyes, but you don't see. You have ears, but you don't hear.
You refuse the evidence of truth : JESUS. You only speak about and acknowledge the glory of man (the work of their flesh) while I'm talking about Jesus. I can't do anything for you except praying so that you could have real and rooted faith.
@juligraham7319 Would you be patient and tolerate me a little longer ? Just read those verses, but don't make your own conclusion : let the Holy Spirit convince you.
Psaumes 51. 6 (ESV2011) Behold, you delight in truth in the inward being, and you teach me wisdom IN THE SECRET HEART.
2 Corinthiens 4. 6 (ESV2011) For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone IN OUR HEARTS to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
Jérémie 31. 33-34 (ESV2011)
33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it ON THEIR HEARTS. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
Deutéronome 30. 11-14 (ESV2011) ["THIS COMMANDMENT" is all the law repeated to the people in the desert, i hope you'll believe me so that i don't have to quote others verses of Deuteronomy]
11 “For THIS COMMANDMENT that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.
12 ITis not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring ITto us, that we may hear ITand do IT ?’
13 Neither is IT beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring IT to us, that we may hear IT and do IT ?’
14 But THE WORD is very near you. IT is in your mouth and in your heart so that you can do IT.
The following verse will show the true commandment, the true law.
Romains 10. 4-11 (ESV2011)
4 For CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW for righteousness to everyone who believes.
5 For Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness based on faith says, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring CHRIST down)
7 “or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring CHRIST up from the dead).
8 But what does it say? “THE WORD is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, THE WORD OF FAITH that we proclaim);
9 because, if you confess with your mouth that JESUS is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised HIMfrom the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in HIM will not be put to shame.”
Éphésiens 3. 16-17 (ESV2011)
16 that according to the riches of his glory he may grant you to be strengthened with power through his Spirit IN YOUR INNER BEING,
17 so THAT CHRIST MAY DWELL IN YOUR HEARTS through faith-that you, being rooted and grounded in love,
If you want to observe sabbath in flesh then the men of your life should be circumcised in flesh not in Spirit (the answer remains Jesus !).
Now, should I also give you verses that show that the law is spiritual, not fleshy?
Does God want to be recognized as Creator? Did He set aside a day? He could have created on the first three days and set aside the fourth day as the rest day. He could have created the first two days and set aside the third day. He could not create everything on the first day and rest on the first day, what a good way to remove Him as Creator. And who is the one that wants to remove him from being recognized as Creator? Satan. Baptism is the celebration of the new creation. Will continue to pray for you.
After you’re done praying, go back and listen this time. Clearly you didn’t. Just parroting out the same drivel SDAs parrot without even listening.
The seventh day of creation wasn’t man’s seventh day, Ralph. It was his first based on evening to evening. You guys really need to learn to listen. SDAs might be some of the worst listeners I’ve ever engaged with.
And no, nowhere does scripture say baptism is a celebration of the new creation. You assumed this from 2 Corinthians 5:17, but that isn’t what Paul says or even has in view there. He’s talking about the ministry of reconciliation given to believers by virtue of what Christ accomplished, not baptism.
@@answeringadventism Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
@@answeringadventism The Seventh day did not become the Sabbath until the end of that day. Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. He rested first then He blessed and sanctified it.
@@ralphsherman8404 Colossians 2:16.
@@deus_vult8111 Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Was the law of God against us ? Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. The law of God was written by the finger of God. The hand writing was by Moses and were ordinances. The Sabbath was in the garden before sin .
Yes, I’m a seventh day sabbath observer…but with caveat, 😂 I know you’d have something to say about that as you had b4..I believe it is possible however to keep the sabbath and question the doctrines of Ellen g and the organization
Wow SSDAS HAVE MEESEED PEOPLES MIINDS UP.
Myles, you of course know I disagree with you on first-day Sabbatarianism, but I still greatly appreciated this video because it demonstrates that you can at least make a biblical case for it, even if there's no verse that specifically teaches it. I truly believe that it is not an essential issue, which was one of my beefs with Adventism in the first place: by declaring that Sunday worship is (or will be) the Mark of the Beast, they make the seventh-day Sabbath a matter of salvation when it's really IMO just a matter of obedience. (I'm actually in the same boat as Dr. Allen Davis on this one, and it makes me feel good to see another ex-Adventist who keeps the seventh-day Sabbath after leaving and understands it's not about avoiding the Mark of the Beast.)
While we're on the subject, I find it interesting that Doug Batchelor and other SDAs will acknowledge the Bible passages that mention the New Testament church worshipping on Sunday yet are quick to answer (correctly, IMO) that this doesn't move the Sabbath to Sunday. What's stunning is the logical inconsistency in this, because if worshipping on Sunday isn't the same as keeping a first-day Sabbath, then there's no way that Sunday worship can ever be the Mark of the Beast. If Adventism was logically consistent, they would either say that Sunday worship isn't Sunday Sabbatarianism and stop teaching that it's the Mark of the Beast, or they'd say that Sunday worship is the Mark of the Beast and stop claiming that the NT church didn't engage in Sunday Sabbatarianism. You can't have it both ways. (And the latter option, of course, would expose them as the cult they are, because they would then be declaring the NT church to be apostate and engaging in behavior that will become the Mark of the Beast.) Moreover, it's rich for Doug to quote Jesus' statement declaring Himself to be Lord of the Sabbath because it completely refutes their entire Sabbath-centric eschatology. If Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, that means He's greater than it, and by making the Sabbath the final test of loyalty to God they are elevating it above Jesus. (And before Adventist apologists rush to tell me that Sunday worship isn't currently the Mark of the Beast, Ellen White said in The Great Controversy that it IS the Mark of the Beast, not that it will be.) And in any case, it's not a sin to worship God on ANY day of the week, even if you aren't a Sabbatarian at all--in fact, quite the opposite. Again, Myles, thank you for explaining your position based on the Bible and God bless!
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Who are you to judge others on the sabbath, if the Word of God said:
*"Let no man therefore judge you in ... .. or of the sabbath days"* Col 2
Are you and your cult now in the place of God to decide whats right or wrong?
_"You cannot have grace and mercy without the commandments."_
WOW, and on what scripture did you build this BS demonic doctrine?
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You have passed your SDA HOGWASH indoctrination with honors.
WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO WORSHIP GOD ON THE SUNDAY?
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Love God and love your neighbor bro. Chill
Very cool in your presentation is harmonious to the ears of listeners who wants to hear the depth and width and height of the truths on the entire word of God in the scriptures.
Where is the verse that commands us to put money into the treasury at the church on the first day of the week?
2:00:10
I find it curious that the 8 "first day of the week" scriptures only have 2 Gr words for those five which according to usage is "one" "sabbath"
I didn’t know that. Thanks for a new gem of understanding in my journey ❤.(former sda)
Adventists travel sometimes miles , like fifty miles for instance, to get to a local church on Saturday!! Yikes they traveled!
Ha - I was listening too ABC radio 1 day and they had a prerecorded segment from 3 famous Australian musicians who were all x sda, one of the men said his grandmother who raised him was sda and they would spend 3 hours in the car to get to and from a church on Sunday that his grandmother tolerated because there was no sda church anywhere nearby and just to add insult she would spend all the trip home criticising that church.
Kasey Chambers is a ex-sda, who are the 3 you referred to?
@@LoCoWi she was 1 that spoke
it was years ago so I don’t remember
Thank you bro for what you are doing. I have been a Seventh Day Adventist for a long time. Thank God I have found the way to truth and life. However, it is very difficult to break yourself because their ideology is strongly planted in people's minds. There are many others in this faith in my family. What would you say if you invited Doug to a conversation live? That would be interesting.
We welcome a discussion with Doug anytime if anyone can make it happen.
Would you welcome a debate with someone from the Adventist defense league, such as Edwin Cotto? He has said that you refuse to debate him.
An explanation needed, why Hebrew 4 clearly stated that we should keep the the seventh day . The Israeli still keeping the the 7th day sabbath. The vision also stated by Daniel 7: 25 that the little horn will think to change time and law.
Exactly that happened.
If you can explain those scripture to clarify doubts.
All who believe in Jesus do enter into that rest.
Another word that is curious is "dawn" in Matt 28:1. It's only used one other time and that is in Lk 23:54 where they translate the Gr. as "drew on" quite a difference
So I was researching the writings of Ignatius and the translation is clearly saying that we don't observe the old sabbath anymore and them I encountered that from that Andrews (the sda theologian). There was a argument about the translation of this passage in the letter for the Magnesians.
I just found an article about it written by another SDA and it looked compelling but I have no knowledge of the Greek.
Anyone have any pointers on that? Maybe there is a pdf somewhere commenting on why the Ignatius translation supports that christians no longer keep the old sabbath.
Sorry for not being more precise but I'm checking this podcast at work 😅. Thanks!
@@rororoFGC Ignatius’ epistle to the Magnesians is literally addressing how Christians weren’t practicing what the Jews of the day were when it comes to polity (ie: the day of corporate worship). The individuals that try and argue that Ignatius was actually arguing for seventh day sabbatarianism but it’s been mistranslated are either dishonest, clueless, or both.
btw, I would love to see a video of you digging deeper in this Ignatius letter and articulating why is safe to assume that Ignatius is defending that christians are no longer under the old sabbath. That would strength my argument as well 😃. Thank you!
After clearly showing in great details and sharply articulating the statements of the early church fathers that Christ has restored/recreated the fallen old creation to God's original design and intention it follows therefore that Sabbath is now to be observed on the first day of the week according to God's creation week from the beginning. There is really no reason for SDAs to strictly, religiously and ignorantly persist in keeping the Saturday Sabbath when it's been proven from the early apostolic age that Sabbath is on the Lord's Day, Sunday.
It seems that both you and the doctor are slightly confused about how passage of time would be denoted in Greek. “The first [day] of the Sabbath” would mean one day after the Sabbath, or the First Day. It seems the ancients did not have names for all the days of the week (or, at least, not all of them did). “Friday” is to this day referred to as “Paraskeve” or the Day of Preparation in Greek, a name derived from the NT.
I am wondering....did Dough study Biblical theology?? Why does he appeal to private interpretation, as a pastor he is misleading his flock
Paul was invited by gentiles for a follow up sermon in ACTS 13:42 and the next sabbath almost the whole city showed up..Why didn't Paul tell them to meet him the day after???
I'm guessing you didn't watch the video? Start at 2:23:40
@@boondocksaint8088 Dr Parker warps ACTS 13:44. In between sabbath,???, Antinomian invention!!!
@@boondocksaint8088The book that SUNday preachers use to support SUNday is "From SABBATH to LORD's Day" by DA Carson..no mention of "in between sabbaths"
@@mitchellosmer1293Thanks for the reply..Just in case you misunderstood me... I am pro JESUS, pro sabbath, counter Catholic cult, counter Calvinist cult. Does that help?
18:51 You said: "a common claim made by the SDA church is that the Sabbath is eternal ... they claimed the seventh day Sabbath was being observed in heaven prior to the creation of the earth ..."
Can you give an example? Any video or article from the SDAs where it is plainly stated that Sabbath existed prior to the creation of the earth?
answeringadventism.com/is-the-sabbath-eternal/
The entire premise of the great controversy theme is that prior to earth being created, all of Heaven was observing the 10 commandments and there was harmony and peace. Just read the Spirit of Prophecy, Vol. 1, chapter 1.
... Do You even understand what you are suggesting in the implication that either Paul, or even Jesus Christ Himself, "Changed" - "the times and laws" of The Most High??? ...
“He (God) changes the times and seasons; he removes kings and establishes kings. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding.” Daniel 2:21 CSB
@@jonasaras God did not change His law. The point just flew clear over your head.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 “For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.” Hebrews 7:12.
“My point is this: The law, which came 430 years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously established by God and thus cancel the promise. For if the inheritance is based on the law, it is no longer based on the promise; but God has graciously given it to Abraham through the promise. Why, then, was the law given? It was added for the sake of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise was made would come. The law was put into effect through angels by means of a mediator. Before this faith came, we were confined under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith was revealed. The law, then, was our guardian until Christ, so that we could be justified by faith. But since that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,” Galatians 3:17-19, 23-25
@@jonasaras ... Yes, I don't doubt that Daniel wasn't devoid of the wisdom given by God in the writings of Solomon... even that of Ecclesiastes 3 ... But the "times and laws" of "The Most High", that the "one" out of the 4th "Beast", would "think" to "change",( in which Daniel referred to ), is in Daniel 7 : 25.
These videos make me an adventist even more Thank you
Is your stubbornness to act on truth which lead to salvation founded in pride, ego or fear, or is it just that God hardened your heart as He did Pharaoh's?
This was a great video Brother. You hit a lot of the main points from a different angle than normal. Keep it going and pull those who can be reached out of the shadows. 🙏
Yes. If you think about it He prepared His disciples on the 6th day and rested on the 7th day because His work on earth was done. That’s why the 4th commandment states to remember it, because of it being a shadow of Jesus Christ.
Hi again, A+A...just curious....and I`ve thought about it...where in any of the Gospels does it say that Jesus" prepared His disciples on the 6th day" or in the entire Bible? I believe that God( Christ) wrote Remember the Sabbath day in Exodus 20:8 for 2 reasons...because the children of Israel, who became slaves, after the new Pharoah " knew not Joseph" and didn`t know his God, and after 400 years in slavery, they needed to be shown by God, through Moses....secondly, God(Christ) knew that many churches in the last days would reject His laws (10 Commandments) and need to be woken up, which Seventh-day Adventists teach the 3 Angels` Messages in Revelation 14:6-12....here they are..................6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus......IF YOU READ VERSE 7, you`ll read a re-written version of that verse in Revelation 14..11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it....the Apostle John is reminding the church of Jesus, again...that the Sabbath was made for mankind, as a Memorial of His Creatorship....He created mankind and the Sabbath helps us to remember that fact, every week....also....the Sabbath clearly will be an issue in the last days.....please...watch this...Hope Sabbath School program which is broadcast to more than 200 countries with amazing results...ruclips.net/video/iZYzI03ZJFg/видео.htmlsi=aXyygsc8uKpPZ-ND&t=628........Do you believe that the Sabbath was one of the Shadows of things to come, mentioned in Col 2 :14 and Ephesians 3:15? I have a video for you....ruclips.net/video/WlmzCc7yY8A/видео.htmlsi=s9JDPw5Ds_A-G86F....God bless you as you study these things
@@alegitimateonlinebusiness3133 Are you saying JESUS CHRIST DIDN’T PROPHESIED AT THE LAST SUPPER (ON PREPARATION DAY) WHAT WAS ABOUT TO TAKE PLACE CONCERNING HIS CRUCIFIXION? Isn’t the purpose of prophecy is to PREPARE????
@@IjeomaMenkiti He's a spammer that doesn't realize he dropped his comment inside a thread. Don't worry about him.
You been good A&E? Keep standing for the Truth my Friend.
Blessings 🙏🕊️🙏
@@alegitimateonlinebusiness3133 So I see you changed your name again. The videos you comment on, and the Believers that support them, will continue to teach the Truth about Jesus regardless of how much you hate it. Come to the Truth. 🕊️
Folks, its really not that hard. The bible says "keep the Commandments of God", but the Catholic church says "Keep the Commandments of Rome"
Right, you bear false witness evidencing you didn't watch.
@silentinthemormin, I agree. It's not that hard if you get all your information from so called " Revelation Seminars" Unfortunately for you, the truth and Adventism are incompatible.
@daisyhavenergaming4610 The decrees of the catholic church are of no authority when in opposition to the commands of God. The Bible and the Bible only is the rule of faith and practice.
@daisyhavenergaming4610 "It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church."
-Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.
@@daisyhavenergaming4610 "Protestants ... accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change... But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that ... in observing Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the Church, the pope."
-Our Sunday Visitor, February 5th, 1950.
Where does it say he was working on the Sabbath day
Males Jesus Christ never when again his Father not a new day he will be going against the Father NO MYLES THE HOLY SABBATH DAY REMAINS THE SAME SORRY MYLES AND HE WOULD SAY IT BUT HE DID SAY KEEP MY SABBATH DAY HOLY AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS I LOVED YOU ? THINK ABOUT IT BROTHER AND READ ABOUT IT Gods blessings to you mate hope you have a great week and a blessed Holy sabbath day Amen
Unless Ellen White repented in her final hours she will have a lot to account for before God.
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I am digging deeper into Christ and His truth with His guidance- not Ellen White's. At this very time I'm listening to an audiobook by Dr. Joel Hoffman who has a degree in linguistics and knows Hebrew. He has book called ' The Bible's Cutting Room Floor' that tells about parts of the bible that were cut out, ancient Hebrew context and so forth including the Apocrypha which was referenced in some of the books that Ellen White plagerized from. I am sad that there are SDA's who are so bogged down with Ellen White's writings that they don't have time to see what God has given to us all.
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Jesus Christ from the bible has me. I don't want Ellen White's Jesus, or heaven,or conspiracy theories, or bible interpretations, or personal opinions or burdens or visions from her spirit guide or otherwise.
Do you have knowledge about how the KJV can't be understood as it was understood 400 years ago because the English language has changed since then? Did you know that the original bible translation doesn't use words like 'commandment' , 'good' and 'evil'? You really should study the bible for yourself instead of echoing SDA pastors and televangelists- and also bring yourself to ask God to show you who Ellen White was.
A great deal of the population has no idea that the SDA church exists, much less care what day they worship.
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You think the Apocrypha is from the papacy? I think you should read it as you will find that some of the contents are familiar to what Ellen White claimed to see in what she claimed were her visions.
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I have read many of Ellen White's writings. What do you think of her receiving a message from her dead husband in a dream? Or about her dream/ visions about such things as the green cord, Jesus in a golden chariot telling her that some woman was her enemy and that something would appear to her who she called her spirit guide? There are numerous writings of Ellen White's that actually testify to the fact that she was not a prophet and neither did she behave as a woman who knew Jesus Christ nor did she seem to apply many biblical principles to her own life.
The King James Version was the most accurate version in earlier centuries. Now there are bible translations that are directly from the original manuscripts made with the help of people educated in Hebrew culture and linguistics.
Some in the SDA church don't want to receive the 'new light' they claim to seek and they would rather hold fast to their traditions.
If the apostles from the bible had met someone like Ellen White I imagine they would treat her as they did the slave girl in Acts 16:16-20. Remember- this slave girl had followed Paul and Silas, and had cried out that they were servants of the most high God and that they were proclaiming the way to salvation. How do you think Paul and Silas had discernment about her? But as you can read the slave girl's owners did not appreciate that the spirit was cast out of her as they made money from what they claimed was her fortelling the future. And then they attacked Paul and Silas who were both beaten and thrown into prison.
As you have said. It was God's Seventh Day, it was His Sabbath as it is mentioned all through scripture.
My small question is this, Sabbath simply means rest, cease from all works. Why can't Sabbath signify Redemption and salvation which was perfect and complete (ceasing from all works) and entering into His rest (His perfect and complete work: same as creation where it was perfect and complete.
I understand the reason of keeping Sunday, bcoz of resurrection and the beginning of new creation in Christ. As Paul says, the new creation is here.
But why not keep the Sabbath as an emblem of Rest -entering into Is rest (complete and finished work)???
Entering into His rest...
So much good stuff to unpack here.
It would be so much easier, if Jesus had just preached a nice sermon on this issue, after he was raised from the dead. 😅
Saw a super interesting RUclips video the other day. He showed how God created 13 months, consisting of 28 days (the moon cycle) plus one extra celebration day. Which equals 365 days perfectly.
May Christ lead us into all truth 🙌🏽🙏
He did preach a sermon on it before His death in a way. The Sermon on the Mount of Olives recorded in Matthew covers the Teachings, (Entolé), we are to follow. In it He doesn't give us a Sabbath or reiterate the old one.
Yes, this wasn't the entirety of His teachings over His ministry. It was however the second time God spoke from a mountain top and it doesn't include a Sabbath command.
Blessings 🕊️
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I guess you believe that Mat 5:17-20 doesn’t include the commandments not mentioned specifically? He also doesn’t mention taking the Lord’s name in vain. Do we disregard that one as well?
And to answer your first assertion of Scriptural teaching that a “change” actually is NOT possible from the apostles or church leadership, even if they wanted to, Paul covers that in Hebrews 8,9 and Galatians 3. In Hebrews 8, the writer explains that the New Covenant is the law (nomos) of God written on the heart. Same law, written in a different place. In Ch. 9, Once Christ shed His blood on the cross, the New Covenant was ratified. Now look at Galatians 3:12-18.
Gal 3:15 “Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.” KJV
Paul clearly states, even compared to a man’s covenant (last will and testament), once the mediator, Christ, shed His blood ratifying the New Covenant, nothing can be added or taken away.
@@douglasrutherford1446 The Covenant that Paul is referring to is the one with Abraham. By Faith we are saved, just as Abraham was. Maybe you should study better and take that veil off your heart.
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You are exactly right. He is comparing the Abrahamic Covenant to a last will and testament:
Gen 6:25 “because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.” KJV.
If you believe that doesn’t include the Decalogue, then answer the one question that this platform and no former Adventist will dare answer honestly:
What doctrine is Jesus teaching with His verbal, non-verbal, and Scriptural references (Jeremiah 7, Isaiah 56) in the Gospel of Mark 11:15-18, fulfilling the prophecy in Isaiah 28?
CHAPTERS:
0:01 - Introduction to Sabbath Discussion
1:30 - Sabbath Hijacking by SDA Church
5:00 - Hermeneutics in Sabbath Study
6:52 - SDA Present Truth Concept
15:28 - Biblical Sabbath Origins
19:53 - Sabbath Theology in the Bible
23:05 - Sabbath Pre-Fall Significance
25:15 - Creation Week and Sabbath
29:25 - Post-Fall Sabbath Observance
32:49 - Sunday as Christian Sabbath
39:15 - Historical Calendar Reforms
41:02 - Seventh Day in Creation Context
47:50 - Identifying the Lord's Day
52:11 - Isaiah 53 Analysis
54:53 - Ignatius on Sabbath
57:25 - Origen's Sabbath Commentary
59:49 - Clement's Sabbath Insights
1:01:05 - Cyprian's Sabbath Views
1:06:00 - Misconceptions in Sabbath Texts
1:08:05 - Sunday Tradition vs Scripture
1:10:35 - Public Debate Invitation
1:12:44 - Ezekiel's Sabbath Message
1:13:13 - Personal Sabbath Conviction
1:17:35 - Sabbath Role in Redemption
1:26:23 - Analyzing Matthew 28:1
1:32:13 - Exegetical Sabbath Discussion
1:38:30 - Church Events on First Day
1:46:31 - Jesus' Sabbath in the Tomb
1:47:21 - Understanding Luke 23:56
1:50:41 - Eternality of Ten Commandments
1:53:38 - John 20:26 Context
2:00:10 - 1 Corinthians 16:2 Explained
2:10:25 - Acts 20:7 and Weekly Worship
2:17:20 - Hebrews 4 and Sabbath Rest
2:18:20 - Sabbath Law Unchanged
2:20:57 - First Day of the Week Controversies
2:23:44 - Sabbath Discussion in Acts 13:42
2:29:24 - Apostolic Authority on Sabbath Change
2:31:21 - Revelation 22:19's Implications
2:33:39 - Law and Sabbath Observance
2:34:43 - Sabbath in New Creation Theology
2:40:39 - Concluding Sabbath Reflections
2:41:38 - Preview of Next Week's Topic
2:44:05 - Personal Challenge to Doug
2:44:55 - Sabbath and the Gospel Message
The idea conveyed by the author is misleading. Doug Bachelor has the clearest view of what the bible say.
You must have debated Pastor Doug. And surely your opinion won't surfaced as truth.
You’re going to need more than just assertions. I’m going to guess you didn’t listen through.
Great video, brother. I'm very new to your channel. I currently observe the 7th day sabbath, feast days, and dietary laws, but have lately been questioning the strength of my position. I have many questions, but just one for today.
Is it possible Deuteronomy 5:15 is speaking more of an incentive to obey the sabbath rather than a reason? Maybe it's similar to Lev. 19:33-34. I imagine the concept of treating the foreigner justly would have predated the Israelites redemption from Egypt. The same with Deuteronomy 24:17-18 regarding not perverting the justice due to a sojourner. It seems to me these would be incentives and not necessarily reasons.
I'm fully open to any clarity and corrections. I just want to better understand.
Tap dancing and grasping for straws here. Its really not that difficult to understand..🤦
Right, it isn’t. Which was demonstrated. It just requires doing more than proof text theology.
First thing how to show and not even correct Doug on the Julian Calendar? The Julian calendar was a 8 days a week. 7 days cycle didn't exist. What were the jaw's using?
Adventists simply love to take pride in their ignorance, and how confident he is in his pride is amazing but that's what it means not knowing the truth and reading scriptures in light of the flesh and not the spirit.
These folks simply want to prove to God that they can uphold the Law without the Holy Spirit. Is this vain? Yes. Do they care? No. Should they be left to their impending doom? Absolutely. Enough is Enough.
On my father's side, my whole family are Seventh Day Adventists. Since childhood, because my father him self was not Seventh Day Adventist, we as children were reprimanded, bombarded with SDA doctrine and under scrutiny and prosecution 24/7/365. Thankfully myself and my sisters, as well as my mother and dad were saved and reborn by Christ. We shared the truth and the gospel with them but they are so indoctrinated by the sorceress and witch Ellen G White that none of them ever to my knowledge got saved. Most of them are dying off, and my very first thoughts when I hear one of them died is that I know that they open up their eyes in Hell and in horror experience no "soul sleep"
Great presentation! This is stuff that I have never heard and I’ve been out of Adventism for over twenty years.
One problem I see and hopefully you’ll address this in part 2. How do you separate out the 10 Commandments from the other 600 some laws? The law (all 613) were one covenant. The law did not exist before then. The New Covenant would have been the setting aside of the Old Covenant-all of it! There would have to be a restatement of the 10, as it exists under the New Covenant-but we don’t see that and instead live by the law of faith.
This answers your question: answeringadventism.com/were-the-10-commandments-known-before-mt-sinai/
Glad you enjoyed!
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Now you’ve created two more problems that Adventists claim.
1. The ‘law’ 10 Commandments must be eternal-at least in part.
2. If the New Covenant is the law written in our hearts, then we should expect to have the ability to obey it-otherwise, why bother?
@@61loneviking 1. I talked about this claim in the stream. No, it isn’t a problem because what it means that they are “eternal” is simply that God is eternal and He isn’t a liar, ergo, lying is eternally wrong.
This is not what the SDA church means when they claim this. They draw it out too far (because they borrowed from Reformers and Puritans not knowing what they were claiming) to ultimately try and bolster the Great Controversy narrative.
2. No, this has to do with natural theology and the law written on the conscience which evidences a transcendent quality. Remember, they reject original sin and are functionally pelagian. So the issue with keeping the law perfectly stems from a sin nature that hasn’t yet been fully removed through the act of glorification. SDAs do not agree with this.
But bit more of a discussion than comment sections can contain.
Lots of great works out there breaking this down better than I do.
You cannot disprove what God has said in His book. The Sabbath is the holy day of the the Lord, Genesis 2:1-3. The bible is consistent on this truth even Jesus kept the Sabbath and so are his disciples when He ha ascended to heaven.
@@mydownloadsnkambule309 God had a plan from a beginning. He decided that He would save people who trusted in His goodness and grace. He gave a law that none could obey. He died for the sins committed under that law, showing His grace and goodness, SO THAT man would be drawn to Him. THAT is what God has said in His Book. You just willfully refuse to believe that God is gracious and good. You're trying to place God in your tiny little box, trying to tell God who He is and isn't, and what He can and can do. Instead of acknowledging your total inability to live as Jesus lived, and walk as He walked, you live under the illusion that you can be like God, knowing good and evil. To you, Jesus' death and resurrection is a minor issue, and the coming of the Spirit, just a way that God helps you keep the law. As if you could ever love God with ALL of your heart, ALL of your soul, and ALL of your mind, and ALL of your strength, or even love your neighbor as yourself. We aren't trying to disprove what God has said in His book. We are trying to get YOU to believe what God says in His book. Lawkeepers are so focused on their own physical rest, that they have missed God's spiritual rest.
The 7th day is a day of rest. When did it became a day of worship. Was not Israel commanded to remain in their tents on that day.
Israel was commanded to cease from working, not to simply remain idle twiddling their thumbs in their tents doing absolutely nothing.
It entailed worship in so much as the first 4 commandments are all about that. One is to worship the only true God, no idols (1st commandment), they are to worship Him properly (2nd commandment), to not do so in vain (3rd commandment), and are to give Him a due portion of time (4th commandment).
It wasn’t only about rest, though that is a major part with the substance being Christ and Him leading us into the true Promised Land, the final rest and ultimate rest of eternity with God by believing the Gospel.
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In that same line of reasoning, Sabbath would be a “shadow” pointing to the greater rest of eternity as you said.
Just one problem with that. According to Paul in Hebrews Ch. 8, The New Covenant is made with the house of Israel based on the same law given in a different place (Hebrews 8:10). Unless you are going to argue that the Sabbath wasn’t part of that law, which truly would be erroneous, then it cannot change. (Gal 3:15).
I’ve already posted this, but here it is again: Paul makes it perfectly clear that nothing can be added or taken away from any covenant, even a man’s (last will and testament) once it is confirmed in Galatians 3:15. And the New Covenant (Heb 8:6-10, Jer 31:33) was confirmed on the Cross. (Heb 9:16-18). Same Law, written in a different place….the heart. Nothing….. NOTHING can be “changed”, added, or taken away from the Lord’s Covenant AFTER the Cross.
Teaching the “change” to Sunday is Catholic theology, not Protestant!!!!
God DOES NOT CHANGE!!! (Mal 3:6)
Heb 13:8-9 “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines…….”
This entire video and ministry can be shown to be an enormous error through a proper hermeneutic exegesis of just one simple passage from Scripture.
Hermeneutics: theory of interpretation taking into account verbal, nonverbal communication, historical context, and textual references.
Exegesis: Letting the text interpret itself.
If anyone believes that the Sabbath Commandment was not included in "all" God's laws and statutes from Gen 26:5 that CANNOT be changed (Gal 3:15) after the Cross (Heb 9:15-17) or the reference in Mat 5:17-20 where Jesus stated that heaven and earth will have to pass away in order for His Commandments to change, then there is one question that every Christian needs to answer for themselves. The one question everyone that believes the Sabbath “changed” to Sunday, was only a Hebrew Covenant commandment, or that Jesus never taught the Sabbath simply refuses to answer:
What doctrine is Jesus teaching with His verbal, non-verbal communication, and Scriptural references (Jeremiah 7, Isaiah 56) in the Gospel of Mark 11:15-18, fulfilling the prophecy from Isaiah 28:9-13?
No Former SDA has ever honestly answered that question.
It became a a day of worship when God rested and made it holy
Whatever! So long as i keep the sabbath together with the other 9 commandments and have God's love in my fabric then my belief is it doesn't matter. God is so loving that the confused are covered
If you keep the letter of the law, the form and ceremony of it, thinking that it will bring you salvation, you are a Judaizer and a heretic. The substance of the old law, as fulfilled in Jesus Christ, is eternal, not the form. This is a question of the nature of Christ's sacrifice, of redemption, and of salvation, and needs to be answered correctly.
What work was permitted on the sabbath..? Like on creation, God rested on the sabbath, so as redemption ...Doug not assuming, you did...!
Ur hearing but not listening
When did Jesus say because I rose on the first day I'm switching the Sabbath to the first day of the week?
When did JESUS say not to sacrifice animals no more for sin. You see the only thing that BLEEDS over to the new covenant is the moral laws and no resting on Saturday or having a go to church day on Saturday is not moral or unmoral. Completely new covenant here, you been bewitched by a witch named ellen and become the foolish Galatian Paul preached to about the law duh
He instituted it as the fulfillment of the Old Testament Sabbath by breaking bread (communion) on that day. Jesus didn't say it explicitly but the disciples of his disciples, who were writing in the second century, did.
Jesus is our Sabbath,our rest, not a day!
If man's 1st day is God's 7th day then the commandment to REMEMBER TO KEEP THE 7TH DAY HOLY actually be SUNDAY and therefore EVERYONE IN SCRIPTURE that kept SATURDAY (EVEN THE JEWS AND CHRIST HIMSELF) broke the Sabbath.
I’ve asked several Adventist to show me a scripture that reads to go to church on a Saturday. To make a long story short they have yet to find it.
They use txt in Leviticus about ‘holy convocation’ to support meeting together on the sabbath, added to this the fact that Jesus went to the synagogue & we should copy his example 🤷🏼♀️
( of course they don’t continue with other things Jesus did such as circumcision & feast days !)
@@karen61777 Jesus Christ also gathered food on a Sabbath. God said to STAY PUT & NOT LEAVE OUT OF YOUR PLACE on the Sabbath. Scripture that reads to go to church on a Saturday please.
@@IjeomaMenkiti... Sure,..Here it is:
Leviticus 23 : 1 - 3
"And YHWH spake unto Moses, saying,
Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning The Feasts of YHWH, which ye shall proclaim to be Holy Convocations, even these are *MY FEASTS*.
Six days shall work be done: BUT THE 7TH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF REST, AN HOLY CONVOCATION; Ye Shall Do No Work Therein: It Is The Sabbath Of YHWH In All Your Dwellings."
"Holy Convocations" = gatherings of people, an assembly, (church in the Greek), a day to keep "Holy" i.e "set-apart" for resting from common 6-day labors, and resting in Yah.
@@ChrisTian-tz3eqnow show me where in the NT we are told to observe sabbath because last time I checked its not binding on the gentils. Furthermore Colossians 2:16 rebukes the adventist eternal sabbath myth its a shadow point to christ and adventist have made the sabbath an abominable idol
@@ChrisTian-tz3eq EXODUS 16:19 See! For the LORD has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. LET EVERY MAN REMAIN IN HIS PLACE; LET NO MAN GO OUT OF HIS PLACE ON THE SEVENTH DAY.”
I have no choice but to believe GOD definition of a HOLY CONVOCATION is talking about the GATHERING IN YOUR HOME WITH YOUR FAMILY AND WHOEVER THAT WAS THERE WHEN THE SABBATH APPROACHED.
Again, give me SCRIPTURES that reads to go to church on a SABBATH. BTW, Sabbath means REST. Another thing aren’t these “pastors” getting PAID to preach ELLEN’S words on a REST DAY? That’s not work?
We do not keep because not in the New Testament.
Yes, true. Christ is our Sabbath because He is the Lord of the Sabbath Mark 2:27, 28. Christ is also our pattern because He kept the Law perfect, didn't break one. In Matt. 5:17, He came to fulfil...
you disagree with SDAs for quoting their own interpretations of the word and vilify them for it, all the while creating a whole channel where you refute their claims by promoting your own more popular interpretation😭
@@abisayaguilar1064 that isnt what’s going on here. Read our mission statement: answeringadventism.com/mission/
Sabbath was made for all mankind.....the 7th Day had no evening or morning..... therefore Saturday is not and cannot be the true 7th Day Sabbath....nor was it a memorial to Creation! It was a memorial to God's 7th Day Sabbath! A type and shadow of a greater reality in Christ! If Saturday is Gods 7th Day Sabbath,,then God would be resting from His Work! He's not been resting since the Fall of mankind! Thats why Saturday was a memorial, a sign, a shadow, to the Millennial Reign the Lord even of the Sabbath! This is a assenine argument from the Saturday Sabbatarians
Doug and you have it wrong. Christ did not die on Friday and he did rise on Sunday…
Furthermore, how do you get Friday night to Saturday night is the 6th day? The 7th day is not was never intended as you say to be the 1st day of rest after the fall. Smh…
Would you consider finding common areas where you & Adventists can collaborate rather than attacking them? I feel that you are all followers of Christ & are beloved by Him. So, why not coexist even if you might differ in certain doctrines?
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And there it is. You’re referring to Hebrews 5:12 (ironically for you comes after Hebrews 4), in which Paul is referring to Isaiah 28 on how to learn Doctrine. Tell us:
What doctrine is the focus in the context of Isaiah 28 that the religious leaders reject? (Isaiah 28:12).
Use proper hermeneutics and tell everyone what doctrine is Jesus teaching with his verbal, non-verbal, and Scriptural references (Jeremiah 7, Isaiah 56) in the fulfillment of the Isaiah 28 prophecy in the Gospel of Mark 11:15-18?
Myles.... you are a "ex SDA" for that reason NEVER a SDA.
Did you start your own movement when you left ?
This is all on a theory that God’s week is different than man’s week. That saying that when God said in the beginning is not the beginning,. so God’s beginning isn’t good enough for you, you have to have your own beginning. Romans.7 2
So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
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Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through what was good, so that through thecommandment sin might become utterly sinful. …. So here the commandments are holy and good, but what you’re saying is that the fourth commandment is a curse to man. That is heresy. I don’t know that the commandments are eternal. But I do know the commandments have been since the beginning.
My issue is some Christian say eaves disobedience was the sin. But the truth is she didn’t believe she would die so she was calling God a liar, which made her a liar. She wanted to be like God, so that is an idolatry she coveted the knowledge of good and evil, she stole the fruit . Thou shout not kill, but she did that to herself and her husband. So multiple commandments were broken. How could Kane be condemned if there was no law. How could the world be wicked in the time of Noah with no law?
So is the position to take, one of which we worship on the first day sabbath,categorizing us as sabbath keepers just the same??
How can the Sabbath Day created by Jesus BECOMR Jesus. It is like saying Henry Ford is now a car not a person. The whole concept that Jesus is now the Sabbath something Jesus created is incomprehensible and rather just nonsense. We can make the Bible say any thing we won't to but not waht God wants us to. Big words and arguments does not mean lintelligence
_"How can the Sabbath Day created by Jesus BECOMR Jesus"_
Don't you worry to understand that, for the Word of God said:
" But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:" 1Cor.2
@EricHort. Just like the passover, how can the passover become a person, crazy isn't it?
Can be IMPOSSIBLE for God to change a period of time that's a memorial into a person right?
If Jesus now is the Sabbath one of the 10 commands, we could now say Jesus is the 6th command and a killer . Forgive my puny brain but I just don't get it. Jesus is the LORD OF THE Sabbath or He owns it, it belongs to Him not man. Both He and His disciples went to the synaguoge on the Sabbath. If He was the Sabbath He had no need to . The command no longer exists. Gal 4,r says Both Jesus who was holy and His mother who was a sinner like us were subject to the Law as we are today . God does not change at the drop of a hat not like us mere mortals
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First problem: Grow a spine and direct the question to a specific person, don't talk to yourself, that way you can go ahead and answer yourself just as well.
2) _"Both He and His disciples went to the synaguoge on the Sabbath."_
WOW! I guessed that you have missed it completely that He was born under the law to redeemed us from the law. you are such an ignorant fool
Galatians 3
_" ... like us were subject to the Law as we are today"_
Yeah, you are 100% correct, you pharisees are indeed subject to the law, for you have ZERO faith in Christ for your salvation, just like Hebrews 4 explained in great detail.
You worship the sabbath instead of the God of the sabbath. Exactly as your prophet have said: your sabbath keeping is your only hope for salvation. Unfortunately you are a gullible and don't notice that this is NOT BIBLICAL.
@@EricHort-cx1jpdid animal sacrafices change? What about the feasts, new moons? What about circumcision? Is there a difference between moral laws and other laws? Is Saturday moral?
The whole law is a transcript of Christ's character ( Gal 5:22-25) including the 4th precept. The law is NOT Jesus but principles we will.all.be judged by Eccl 12:12'14. The lamb that was slain in Israel's day REPRESNTED Jesus it was NOT Jesus. If the law and the Bible was only for the Jews I can't understand why people are arguing about it when it does not concern them- only the Jews
JESUS said the sabbath was made for man...but 99% of preachers tell you to ignore Him.
High day, or feast day sabbaths are not the same as the weekly 7th day sabbath. Those days are to be treated as a sabbaths as they were called not to do work.
Guess who doesn't work 7 days A week ..........no one does......sabbath is not a go to church day either. Its a day to rest not to leave your place , kindle no fire no work just rest. Most people work only 5 days a week therefore they take two sabbaths actually. Good thing only dumb christians fall from grace and go under bondage to be made right or obey amd thats the opposite of what the Lord commanded and Paul would just call you a foolish Galatian. You been bewitched by a witch named ellen g white , so good job at being decieved.......do you want a star
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“Missed by not digging deep enough”. That seems a little hypocritical in light of that being the exact statement I made about the contextual mistake that you made in your website article on Isaiah 28. Isn’t “Context King” with you?
So, what doctrine is the context of Isaiah 28 that the religious leaders ignored to their own destruction?
12 “To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.” KJV
Josh C The laws you mentioned apart from the 4th precept of the Decalogue are not part of the 10 commands . The Sabbath command is .James 2:8-12 says all precepts of this law are important as each other . I don't find this hard to understand
There's so much confusion in this video! You can look at Catholic theology and Google when did the Catholic Church change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. The Catholic Church themselves will say that it is their mark of authority. Look at what Pope Francis is doing by asking for a global green Sunday Sabbath. If you don't believe Adventist you can look at the Catholic Church they will not hide that their claim to changing the Sabbath is their mark of authority.
Claiming it does mean they made it happenen. Constantine made it lawful for Christian's to worship. All of those Christian's were not Catholic. Constantine stopped the persecution of Christians by doing so.
2 Peter 2:1-3 KJV
2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
(this is living proof that this saying continues.) I have never heard of someone denying Scripture so many times to interject their imaginative ideas as doctrine of the Bible. How confounded and distorted comes this to us as Christians, especially when you state that the First Day became the new sabbath at the death of Jesus ! Wow ! Where is that Scriptural proof ??? Where does it say by Jesus resurrection God's Law can be changed ? But, instead the death of Jesus proves the immutability of God's Law. If God's Law could have been compromised or changed Jesus Christ would have never had to die...simply put. If God could have put aside its requirements no sacrifice would have been required. If it wasn't exact, or changeable, or even negotiable, no need. You have totally reasoned within yourself of "no need for a Savior." You deny so many obvious proofs that all Christians and even in the new heaven and new earth we will be keeping the sabbath. Is.66. Jesus plainly stated "not one jot nor one tittle shall be removed from the Law"...Matt. 5:18.
(KJV)Hebrews 4th Chapter does not read the same in all other perversions of the Bible either. It is a new testament book also.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. (AGAIN)
6 Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, Today, after so long a time; as it is said, Today if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. (HE LIMITS A CERTAIN DAY)
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.(DID JESUS SPEAK OF ANOTHER DAY ?)
9 There remains therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.(AS GOD DID FROM HIS)
(This totally refutes your idea of Sunday the first day became the new Christian sabbath " as God did from his".)
Proverbs 30:5
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Revelation 22:19 (WARNING)
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Revelation12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
(My Brother you have been duped, sorry you didn't pay attention in Sabbath School) Someone sold you a bill of goods that can't be backed up Biblically. By tradition yes, but not by Bible.
2 Corinthians 10:12
For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
You will not be saved into heavenly bliss by EGW but by following truth and God's Word. The truth does not fall on her writings, neither does your accountability before God. You have denied God's word and taken tradition over a plain "thus saith the Lord".
JESUS is talking about the moral commandments , not sabbaths or new moons , or feasts. With that argument you should be slaughtering animals for your sins because thats a command of the old Testament. Its called the old Testament for a reason, old covenant. The new covenant only had the moral commandments bleed over and thats it
I have a two-day weekend in which I can do good works, just as I do on the other five days
Sabbath has always been seventh day it always will be. Catholics decided to worship on Sunday. Catholics don't understand why protestants worship on Sunday it's their thing.
Ignorance is bliss
Thanks for letting us know you didn’t watch.
No it hasn’t always been the seventh day. It was Gods seventh day originally, not man’s. This basic error on your guys’ part throws your entire narrative off.
As you have said. It was God's Seventh Day, it was His Sabbath as it is mentioned all through scripture.
My small question is this, Sabbath simply means rest, cease from all works. Why can't Sabbath signify Redemption and salvation which was perfect and complete (ceasing from all works) and entering into His rest (His perfect and complete work: same as creation where it was perfect and complete.
I understand the reason of keeping Sunday, bcoz of resurrection and the beginning of new creation in Christ. As Paul says, the new creation is here.
But why not keep the Sabbath as an emblem of Rest -entering into Is rest (complete and finished work)???
@@dukeofkisii where are your promises for Sunday worship? Paul never said worship on Sunday. He was finding the Christian's on the Sabbath to murder. Why? Because the early church worshipped on the 7 the day.
Hebrews 10:28
"Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses."
This ONE VERSE debunks your whole video here and your similar content elsewhere.
Do you not understand in the 1st Century, the Judaism under which Jesus and His Apostles and their converts lived, if they publicly rejected the Sabbath and started breaking the Sabbath, that they would have been "snatched up" like Stephen was and would have been brought before the Sanhedrin, and been stoned????
When the Apostles after the Day of Pentecost were brought before Gamaliel (Acts 5:34) who was an expert of the law, the head of the Jerusalem Sanhedrin, i.e., as we would call him the "Chief Justice" of the Sanhedrin, do you somehow think, that this Pharisee of Pharisees if he knew that these apostles had rejected the 7th Day Sabbath, would not sentenced them immediately as they stood in his presence, to be stoned ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF MOSES?
To the contrary, Gamaliel said to his fellow Pharisees: " I tell you, stay away from these men and leave them alone." which no Pharisee of Jesus day would have said to anyone breaking, rejecting the 7th Day Sabbath. It was their duty according to Torah, to punish the guilty and rid the nation of law breakers.
But examine all of the apostles interactions with the Jewish hierarchy throughout the book of Acts. Consider specifically Paul's enemies who wanted to and took a vow to kill him, if Paul was a Sabbath breaker as you accuse him, we would have read of that complaint which they would have made against him. But to the contrary in the book of Acts,
PAUL NOR ANY BELIEVER IN JESUS WAS EVER ACCUSED OF VIOLATING THE SABBATH, for which they would have been RIGHTFULLY CONDENED TO DEATH, according to the book of Hebrews.
So you are truly making yourself a 'FALSE WITNESS' which is sin, isn't it according to your "New Covenant"?
If you cannot find ONE EXAMPLE of them violating the Sabbath, in the book of Acts.
You obviously have no witnesses, not the TWO WITNESSES which are required to accuse someone of a capital crime. But you should not be accusing Jesus of changing the Sabbath, or the Apostles for violating the Sabbath for which you have NO EVIDENCE, just unfounded ASSUMPTIONS.
This is just one major point which you have not addressed nor can you, because you have no evidence of them breaking the 7th day Sabbath and substituting Sunday.
LOL.
"And unto the Jews, I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, I became as one under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law.
"To them that are without the law, I became as one without the law (though I am not without law to God, but under the law of Christ), that I might gain them that are without the law...
And this I do for the Gospel's sake...
Paul preached the GOSPEL, NOT the law. He preached the Gospel TO THE JEW FIRST. He went to the synagogues on the Sabbath because THAT is where and when the Jews were gathering.
Paul was a JEW, and yet he says, I BECAME as a Jew. In other words, he was under the law of Christ, but so as not to offend the Jews, he became as one who kept the law of Moses. Do you not remember what he said about law keeping? But take heed, lest by any means your liberty becomes a stumbling block to them that are weak...wherefore if eating mean offends my brother, I will not eat meat, lest I offend my brother. Paul kept the law so as not to offend the unbelieving Jews, that he might win them to Christ.
So Paul himself is a witness. While he was with the Jews, he kept the law, but while he was with the Gentiles, he didn't.
I have to laugh, though it is no laughing matter. Hebrews was written to Christian Jews who were being persecuted and killed by their unbelieving brethren for not keeping the law. They were considering returning to law keeping to avoid this persecution. Paul quotes this passage from Hebrews 10, but you conveniently leave out to rest of the chapter.
OF HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the (NEW) covenant wherein he was made holy, as an unholy thing, and has done despite to the Spirit of grace?...
"Now the just shall live by FAITH, but if any man draw back, My soul shall have no pleasure in him."
"Thrice I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, I was lowed from a window by a basket to avoid being killed, and I was eventually beheaded." Sincerely, Paul
1. You did the exact same thing Doug did that I addressed. Just citing a proof text does nothing.
2. You either didn’t watch or didn’t listen. Almost laughable if you think there wasn’t more than one line of witness.
Hebrews 4:1-11, 2 Corinthians 5, Acts 13:13-41, Matthew 28:1-10, Acts 20:1-8, Mark 16:1-8, John 5, and on and on and on.
Not a single thing you stated refutes anything presented.
TELL ME SIR WHY DID THE PHARISEES WANT TO KILL APOSTLE PAUL IF HE WAS DOING WAT WAS CUSTOM ON THE SABBATH? U SEE SIR ADVENTIST IS SO OBSESSED WITH THE SHADOW AS 2ND CORINTHIANS 3 , 14 CLEARLY TEACH.
TELL ME SIR WHY DID THE PHARISEES WANT TO KILL APOSTLE PAUL IF HE WAS DOING WAT WAS CUSTOM ON THE SABBATH? U SEE SIR ADVENTIST IS SO OBSESSED WITH THE SHADOW AS 2ND CORINTHIANS 3 , 6
TELL ME SIR WHY DID THE PHARISEES WANT TO KILL APOSTLE PAUL IF HE WAS DOING WAT WAS CUSTOM ON THE SABBATH? U SEE SIR ADVENTIST IS SO OBSESSED WITH THE SHADOW AS 2ND CORINTHIANS 3 , 14 BUT THEIR MINDS WERE MADE DULL FOR UP TILL THIS DAY WH3N THEY READ THE OLD COVENANT A VEIL REMAINS OVER THEIR EYES.
U SEE PAUL GOING TO THE SYNAGOGUES ON THE SABBATH AS A POINT FINAL TO PROVE THE ETERNALITY OF THE SABBATH. U FAIL TO REALIZE THAT APOSTLE PAUL WAS PREACHING THE GOSPEL.
IT WAS NOT BUSINESS AS USUAL SIR OPEN UR MINDS
So what about SDA?. Ever hear of 7th day Baptists, 7th day Pentecostals, Church of God 7th day, Messianic Jews?.
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@answeringadventism
What a convoluted mess…..
Do you have no shame passing off this lunacy as “Protestant”?!?
My goodness….
Indeed brother, this is naked and avowed counterreformation fully pledged.
Doug the butcher is so clueless!
Truth is relevant to what is convenient for us to believe. If the Bible says there is only one Sabbath Day not another one, why try to prove otherwise. I am still waiting for some one to tell me where God, Jesus or the disciples have said that in the Bible (not other men), where the first day is now the Sabbath- the actual text, and I will be a happy chap . As yet I prefer the Bible to interpret itself and not men. Why countermand what God has graciously given to us for our benefit It won't be long now when we all will find out whether the Bible is telling the truth or man's excuses not to obey God. There are only two persons we can obey. If we don't obey God it is a forgone conclusion we are following Satan. We can't serve two masters. I know whom I want follow. Because any of us CLAIM TO HAVE THE TRUTH, does not necessarily mean we have it. Texts like Isa 8 20 and Rev 22,14 reveal all I wish to know. Gods plan for salvation from sin is not rocket science as some people make it People have become SDA by just reading the Bible with no coersion from any one. Gods plan contemplates our complete recovery from the power of Satan. I can't understand why people can't understand what God is trying to tell us in Hs word. He could not make it any plainer.
Well thats not true, and being a christian is not what you do or dont do on Saturday thats rediculous, the essense of the sabbath was never a go to church day anyway and in the new covenant only the moral laws BLEED over , sabbath was never a command for the gentile church ever. And it wasn't commanded for Adam, Enoch , or Abraham either . Paul would call you guys foolish Galatians, youve been bewitched by a witch named ellen , its sad but true
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
I don't agree with you. Saturday is and always has been the seventh day of the week, and therefore it it still the Sabbath day. However, equally correct Sunday is still the first day of the week, and as such it has never turned into the Sabbath Day, but it is still the day in which our Lord Yeshua Messiah has risen (by the way, just before the daylight portion of the day because that was the third night in the tomb.) Now, as far as "Keeping the Day Holy, and doing no work in it;" neither we Christians, the Orthodox Jews, or the sda people are keeping any Sabbaths. We don't even observe the Holy high Moedim of God, but celebrate pagan holidays readily. As a matter of fact today is November 6th, and just a few days ago the pagans celebrated their favorite "holiday." But then again, against the sda obsession with the Sabbath Day, our Lord Yeshua Messiah has become our Sabbath rest, and we are not bound by the ordinances of the law. Who today is KEEPING any Sabbath day? I say nobody is, even if they think they are. The first day of the week is not and never has been the Sabbath. We don't take a sabbat on Sunday, we just gather together to worship and get taught the Bible, in some cases hearing the meaning of some of the more obscure passages.
the ceremonial laws were not the sabbath of creation why did the Catholics claim it as their mark
How did the Catholic Church claim the ceremonial laws as their mark?
Why did NOAH send out birds on 7 day cycles after the rain stopped?????? GEN 8:10-12
Little knowledge is dangreous
Ain got shorter v??
Another Bible prophecy became reality in our days. Daniel 7:25."He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time."
Ezekiel 22:26
"Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them."
God's law is merely a mirror to identify sin. It is the reflection of our savior's character. Our one and only idol. The law of God was used by the enemy to trick humans. and keep us apart from God. God issues a rule and then withdraws it. That is not how it is. The divine law is eternal.
It doesn't imply we can't do it, we can now change it or abolish it based on our own preferences and understanding and follow the other side. You dont have the authority to removed even a single word of the laws. We are not superior than the god. God's law is that linked the father and us.
It is best to avoid focusing on imperfections of others or passing judgment on them. It tells someone that they are not required to follow the entire God's law by writing it in their hearts. Disobedience will only make us more like the enemy of God in our ignorance and pride. We should humble ourselves before God.
As Jesus saying.. Matthew 5:17-18. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished."
"John 14:15. If you love me. Keep my commandments."God simply asks that we respect, obey, follow, and love him since he is our only creator and lord. All he asks is that we just trust and obey, and he will take care and lead the way. With God nothing is impossible. With the help of the holy spirit and the grace of Jesus.
Revelation 7:21, "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. (The divine laws and the grace of God are one.}
The prophecy that does not yet fulfilled:
Isaiah 66:17 “Those who consecrate and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following one who is among those who eat the flesh of pigs, rats and other unclean things they will meet their end together with the one they follow,” declares the LORD.
End time battle for the real people in Christ: Revelation 12:17. “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ”
Nice proof texting job, with out context it means nothing and without the entirety of the new testament also means nothing. The only thing that BLEEDS over from the old covenant to the new covenant is the moral laws and nothing else. Unless you still sacrafice animals , force christians world wide to be circumcised and eat kosher . some people are to dense and lack the teaching of the Holy spirit to understand anything. Paul would just call you a FOOLISH Galatian, whos bewitched you, oh I see a witch named ellen
Does it say anywhere in scripture verbatim saying Sabbath is needed for salvation? All I really need to know that all of SDA and EGW teachings are false.
The 7th day sabbath is a sign of which god you worship. The God of creation says keep my sabbath . It is the commandment that includes His seal of authority.
@@peterwilliams843 for the Jews and He says so. A false prophet helped start SDA. She made Sabbath worship an idol tied to your salvation. Only Jesus saves you nothing else. Try reading a real Bible, not your Clear word one. Not filtered through her the Great Controversy. I feel really sorry for all the deceptions you believe. I know where my salvation comes from, and it has nothing to do with anything EGW says she saw, heard or wrote. We are warned to watch for anyone who teaches a false Gospel that does not come from the Bible and only the Bible. Yours does. Hope and pray you figure that out before it's too late.
@@peterwilliams843 it really doesn't say any of that in Genesis 2. God never ended the 7th day, never said to worship on that day, and never called it the Sabbath then. Again, try reading the real Bible not filtered through EGW's false everything.
@@TexasGrandma2010 Gen 2 says He blessed it, rested on it and made it a holy day. In Exod 20:8 we were reminded to keep it holy. That is from the Bible not EGW
The highest form of worship is obedience
@peterwilliams843 ex is only to the Jews. Read Ex again. Words matter. Mosaic covenant was for the Jews. I find it sad that when SDA people come on these sites your passion is for the Sabbath and not Christ. Christ saves us, not what day we worship Him on. Mosaic law ended when Christ died and rose again. Jewish leaders wanted Jesus killed because He broke the Sabbath laws. And SDA do not follow Sabbath laws. You follow all of them or you don't follow the Sabbath.
Nice try
What is Sabbath truth?
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