Everything Will Be OKAY - I Built An Awesome Boring Tool... "Awesome"
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2023
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Actual description: Stupid enough to break it, smart enough to fix it ... In this video, I make a tool to repair the engine that I destroyed in my last video.
I thought I would point out that, while I think this tool is awesome for me, and it got the job done, I don't think that it is practical or will produce consistent results. If you watch my videos, you know that this is just the way I am. I often struggle and would rather do something myself, than to do have someone else do it properly or to buy the correct tool. Before making this tool I did a bit of searching for a proper used boring bar and hope to be able to find one in the future. The amount of labour involved in this project makes it highly impractical. I'm glad I did it, but it is NOT the best way. 
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You're a madman. Making your own boring tool, just so - and it even works the first time you use it - RESPECT !
Thanks Werner !! I was honestly surprised that it worked as well as it did. There were some troubles along the way, but it worked !
beyond impressive, you can now offer cylinder reboring ;P
Hey !! I've been wondering about you. Hope you are well.
Thanks for the comment. I may make a few improvements to this tool and offer boring service on a few select jobs, haha... It works very well now, but is pretty slow.
Yeah buddy looks like you have already done some successful testing with the x2 👍🍻 glad you were able to do the cylinders yourself, looking forward to the next video
Yeah, there was a bit of a struggle between the rebuild and any success, but things are looking up. The cylinder boring had some snags along the way that I didn't have time to show in this video, I may do a lowered expectations video, but the end result was amazing. This is the first time I'm really happy about boring cylinders myself.
Well Done!!!!
THANKS !!
Hi mate, I love watching you work, every time I watch you, I gain some knowledge, you are a super star, keep it up, cheers
Thanks Adrian !! Glad you're enjoying the content. I enjoy working on stuff and making videos 🤟
That was awesome dude! Great work on making do with the tools you have. Very inspirational! It's very exciting to get to see the process of getting this monster perfected!
Thanks ! Sometimes I get obsessive about making due with what I have and doing all sorts of unnecessary things. I always learn a lot from these "silly" projects. Hands on experience is something you can't buy or get by reading or research.
When I see people make stuff like this, I'm always in awe and tell myself "that's something other people do" ...
🎉 hooray! Happy Canada day?!? Is that like our Independence Day? Do you have a wish list of parts/tools somewhere? Maybe some of us subscribers have some of those things laying in our parts piles we could send on over? Can’t wait for the krash stuff, would like to see that in the jammer! Cause I’m not sure one of those 900s would fit unless there was massive hull mods… but who knows maybe a triple in a jammer would fit! 🎉🎉 congrats on the successful bore job, it was not boring
I don't know what video you watched... this video was 100% boring. Boring bar and cylinder boring, haha.
Yeah, it's kinda like independence day, but less violence was involved, haha.
I used to have a Amazon wishlist linked in my video description, but it's hard to keep up to date, and I also don't want to have a million things linked.
I also worry about asking for stuff and then taking forever to getting around to using it. Like ... I REALLY want to build a 85mm big bore 1100. That would bring it to a 1209cc (from actual 1070) I need a doner cylinder to resleeve, but would still need 85mm pistons and sleeves ($900 worth of parts)
Basically, what I'm saying is I overthink everything, haha.
I think it would be a cool idea to be able to share parts with other guys that are doing similar things, especially if they aren’t using them… like I have a 155 seadoo pump that I have been saving for something someday… and a ton of other random parts that don’t have homes
@@Trevorkloida I totally agree. I have given away a few parts from my original 650 project, and I have a ZXi pump that I won't need, as well as a hull and a bunch of other stuff. I'm just too disorganized to really do anything about it and I always think "I'm going to use that some day"
Nice! That looks like it works really good! Probably kind of a pain tramming in each hole with the angle plate. I'm sure it takes a bit of time to do but works really good! I was riding the octane a couple days ago thinking every 2 cylinder needs a single carb. If you want to run a big single on the kv997, I can probably make you a sweet set up. The single carbs just are so easy. If you want to order a single carb kit from jsb, just let me know. I know you probably have other plans, but this is an option and it should be pretty easy.
Thanks man ! It works well, but there are things I didn't explain in the video for time reasons and because most people wouldn't understand... but you would.. I won't get into all the details as it will take forever...
Basically, due to a design flaw / oversite, I had to run the lathe in reverse so that the end of the boring bar was supported in the tool holder. If I ran it in forward, the insert end of the boring bar was not supported by the set screw and was causing inconsistent cut depth.
My lathe os just a cheap Chinese one SOOOO in reverse, I can only feed the apron away from the chuck. This meant that I had to manually feed the apron... it takes about 5 -7 minutes to do a single pass, so that was a lot of manual cranking. I can only take about .005" off at a time... maybe more but I didn't push it.
If I can find a boring bar that doesn't have a step in the end of it, then I can use my power feed, but because it's a cheap lathe, I believe the smallest advance it can make is .030" per revolution ... So I'm not sure if it would handle that.
After I did one, setting up the cylinder on the angle plate isn't bad at all. The angle plate is pre trammed to the lathe, so I just need to worry about centering the cylinder on the bore. I ran the dial gauge from the top of the bore to the bottom before cutting and the worst one was out by .003"...
I like the idea of a single carb ! That's what I ran on my 650. How you gonna make one that fits the Krash ? Eventually I want to try EFI... but who knows when that will happen.
@@JoelArseneaultRUclips I was thinking the manifold on my octane probably has a close bore spacing to the krash so start with that. mill the flange off at the correct angle and make a new one to weld on. Its a tall manifold so I might have to do some tricks to shorten it to fit in an x2. For a carb I can probably bore a mikuni to 50mm and cut out a custom butterfly valve. This is so easy compared to an ls gearbox!
@@Jacobskibros Right on... I'm picking up what you're putting down. Hey... what do you think about this top secret, awesome idea...
So, when my engine popped, it damaged the cylinder head...What do you think about milling out a OEM 1100 head to fit ADA domes into it ... ?
@@JoelArseneaultRUclips It's a good Idea. I was thinking about making the head shell for ada domes. I can make the domes, but it's kind of annoying on the mill and I need one to copy. If you get domes. I feel like I need to make some heads just so the material doesn't get wasted. But 1100 head's are not #1 on the list right now. It would be nice to just buy a new dome when you blow up, but then again after you have that set up you won't blow anything up.
@@Jacobskibros As soon as I sent that last message, I got excited, ran outside and started milling my head, haha. Just to see what's in there.
The dome is a part that is easier to make in a CNC lathe, that's for sure. They almost give you all of the information that you would need to build them... ALMOST. but you'd have to do some nerd calculations and figure out the volume, or have the right software. After I wrote this... I started doing the calculations and wow... it gets complex.
They tell you that there is a .010 relief at your bore diameter, the squish is 3º and the squish is 50% of the bore area. That leaves 50% of the bore for the combustion chamber. The combustion chamber is a hemisphere and is the remaining volume of 30cc after you subtract the volume of the squish area., lol.
I'm probably going to order some ADA domes and try to make it work. I think it should... if not, I will have domes for you to copy. I should probably focus on some other things right now tho, haha.
Badass Joel, badass!
Thanks man ! I was just about to go to bed, got talking to Jacob, and now I'm doing calculations to try to figure out the dimensions of a 30cc ADA dome ... I'm sure there's software that would make it easy, but my brain just went off the rails.
Time for bed, haha.
@JoelArseneaultRUclips oh boy, yeah your rabbit hole awaits for when you wake up, I'm sure...
Very cool man, nice work! I wish my lathe was large enough to do something like this. Potentially my mill is large enough for it, but both my mill and lathe are hobby sized. This gives me hope though!
You may be able to do this, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it, unless you are just looking to gain the experience and challenge yourself. I was confident that my mill would be able to handle this, I spent a few hundred dollars on a boring head, and it was basically a total failure. My mill is a round column mill, so I think that makes it worse, still... doing a 3" cut is a LOT for any small mill. Mine would cut pretty well at the start of the cut, but as the quill extended, the extra leverage caused a lot of chatter and almost ruined my cylinders. This was on my 650 a few years back.
I made some mistakes / oversites when building my tool holder (on the current set up) and unless you are a tool and die builder, you're likely to make similar, or other mistakes. This worked, and the results were awesome, but it took a few days to set up and complete the boring. My lathe is a 10x22. It is almost too small.
@@JoelArseneaultRUclips thanks for the reply! My lathe is a 9x20 central machinery (harbor freight) and my mill is the same brand but is the biggest one they sell and is considered a "knee mill". I am very new when it comes to machining, but so far have shortened a Yamaha driveshaft and resplined it (successfully 😁) and shorted a Yamaha midshaft (tig welded the two half's together). I haven't set up my new to me mill yet, so if I were to do something like this it would be a while down the road. But I have a junk cylinder to practice on. My old mill was a tiny benchtop made out of Germany, it's similar to yours but much smaller.
I'm curious what kind of hone you plan on using?
@@240sxxxvids I use a Lisle rigid hone, but I use 4 stones in it instead of two stones and two wipes. I also remove the adjuster and use it more as a centrifugal hone I put foam under the stones to preload them slightly. I have done this in the past and it works well.
This job turned out really well and I only needed to remove .005" on two cylinders and .003" on the center.
@@JoelArseneaultRUclips that's a really cool idea. I will look into that honing tool! Lisle makes some nice stuff. Good luck with the new build man, tuned in for updates!
I was told by a tool and die make when I was on the hunt for a boring device that a boring machine only has one job to do and it does it extremely well. I was advised not to use a Bridgeport for a precision result because it does a ton of things but nothing as good as a machine built for one process.
I was expecting lots of input from you on this topic, and was actually going to talk about it some in this video, but decided not to. As soon as I saw my engine damage, I thought of contacting you, haha. There is only one guy who does cylinders here and he has a 1.5 month waiting list as of now.
I have actually been on the hunt for a proper used boring bar, but the season is short and I decided to give it another try. I was amazed at the results, but this was by no means a practical way to go about doing this. I'm planning on releasing a video on my second channel going into detail about the process, but it will likely be a 2-3 hour video. It basically took me all day to bore out 3 cylinders and the tool is not consistent in how much material it removes. It usually takes off about .0015 - .002" more than it should.
I was not able to use the auto feed and was able to take about .005" cuts at a time. I did my best to calculate the depth of the damage, and was not at all confident that boring the cylinders to 82 would take care of it. I am shocked at the results and this is the first time that I'm actually happy with the results of boring something myself. I will almost certainly do it again this way, but I'm still hunting for the proper tools.
Doing it the way I am is very risky and time consuming. The set up gets easier, and I know I could do another set in about half the time as I did these, but it's still about 10 times longer than it would take with the proper machine.
@@JoelArseneaultRUclips I enjoy your content because it is not often that I see people with the drive you have to make it happen.
@@MrJmoney1980 Sometimes it's a blessing, and sometimes it's a curse.
thats a very interesting way of doing it. why did you not use the mill, and just make a fly cutter with the dcmt toolbit? end of the day if it works it works. making your own tools is actually more common in the industry than you might think. i have a few knux tool head welded to sturdy bar stock to make mean boring bars.
I actually used my mill a few years back to bore my 650, and it didn't turn out too well. Two things 1. It's not rigid enough and I had a lot of chatter, it is rated for a 2" cutter and the 650 has a 3" bore. 2. The quill only has 6" of travel I believe, and there was actually 1/4 inch at the bottom of the bore that didn't get cut. I then had to flip the cylinders, and bore that out from the bottom. It took forever and the results were not great.
Yeah, I have watched lots of machining videos, and it seems to be a pretty common thing for people to make their own tools. Especially for one of projects or a tool that is just hard to get or $$$
If Engineering has show me anything it's this. If it works no matter how it looks just get the job done. So I applaud you sir.
@@ldsk938 Thanks !
Also what is the new calculation of the cc?
Altho they call them an 1100, at 80mm bore, they are actually 1070cc. The 82mm pistons makes it a 1125cc.
Looks like you been crying alot 😂
Haha... just not getting enough sleep. I'm probably crying in my sleep.
Yeah man, I've been depressed all weekend, thanks for the pick me up🤌
I hope that you're not actually dealing with depression, but either way, thanks for the comment. Fortunately, jet skis, as much as a pain in the ass as they sometimes are, are easier to fix than life 😁
@@JoelArseneaultRUclips that's nice 🤗 yeah I'm good. Thank you. You seem like you might be going through the jetski blues recently. As for me, I just got rid of my last SeaDoo 🥳🍻🍾🎆🎉💃💥🕺🤯👯♀️👯♂️👯♀️💇♂️...may I never own another 🤑
@@jasonskibrothers2192 Haha... I've never heard a blues song about jetskis... I think they are supposed to be a cure for depression, but apparently sometimes also the cause. Haha... no more sea-doo eh... Can't say I'd blame you. Probably going to invest in some Polaris and Tigersharks next 😂
@@JoelArseneaultRUclips you know it! I'm going to Frankenstein them into pole sharks. I'm also trying to figure out how to buy digital jetskis
@@jasonskibrothers2192 🤣