Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes is an impressive game but an extremely poor value & sets a very dangerous precedent. Unacceptable! Kojima is better than this!
If you bought magazines with demos, there was probably hours of gameplay if you counted all the demos on the disc. But it only costed about £5 roughly, for the magazine and the disc.
Guess you can. Then again the focus of the games was almost always to play again and get S ranks. If you don´t care about ranks then even Metal Gear Rising Revengeance is short. Bought it on Steam offer and it was money well spent.
Why are we still here... Just to suffer... The dollars I've lost... The cents I've lost... My wallet... It won't stop hurting... You fell it too don't you... The lightness in your pockets... It's like my money is still there...
Look at all the fanboys trying to defend this unacceptable ripoff of a game... You don't charge 30 dollars for a demo with less than 4 hours of content. It doesn't matter how good it is, it's still a terrible value.
That's why I purchased this game when it was $15 on Xbox One hah. I am not a fanboy either, I happen to have played MGS for the first time when I got it. I still think $15 may be too much but it was good.
You do realize that there's such a thing as not being able to get the first four games, right? With a little time on the internet, you can quickly learn all the basics. I jumped into the Elder Scrolls at #4, and I have no problems with the lore. You don't have to play all previous metal gear games from the NES to the spinoffs to understand what's going on.
Sam Geuvenen at least give a good comparison. there is nothing from morrowind that you are required to know in oblivion. you can play any zelda game in any order. mgs is a story driven franchise and requires you to know the story. also if joe wants to only play as big boss he only needs to play 2 mgs games. mgs 3 and mgs peace walker
Ok, let's try another example. Why not look at... Metal Gear? I got in with MGS1 and I understood what was happening without playing the NES games. My best friend started on Sons of Liberty, and another started with Peace Walker, and they're just fine. The only Metal Gear game you can't play without playing the previous ones is Guns of the Patriots, but that's due to all the bits of old metal gears in it.
Maelich Arn you sound like the type of person to get served bread crust after ordering a sandwich, and then proceed to walk away saying "AwW GeEz I gOt the BesT ParT!"
xX-Mephiles-Xx agreed, but I think they are just informing others that it is available basically free if you have Xbox Gold or PS Plus or the definitive edition of TPP (which is what I personally have)!
You missed the point entirely! People being so damn willing to jump on anything that rolls out so fast regardless of the cost instead of being patient are the ones who pay the price......literally
You know what's funny? Just about everyone who is following Ground Zeroes has probably spent more time reading and watching reviews of it than what it takes to actually finish it.
Dalton Uber Oscar Reece I downloaded it in 30 minutes, finished the primary mission in 50 minutes (S rank, first try), Beat all side missions (including Body Snatchers and Dejavu) in about 6 hours together with all S ranks first try. It was free and it was amazing, so happy I decided to hold back for it
Dalton Uber do the main mission and I think it unlocks the next. If I remember correctly, to unlock one of the bonus missions you have to find all the patches throughout the ground zeroes mission through one playthrough
IF we as consumers buy these games, it will only get worse and worse. It is like saying to EA and Activision and every publisher out there, "Please go ahead and make your games shorter and pricier! We can handle it!" And to think, I love the MGS franchise. I hate talking bad about it.
Kojima isn't to blame for the price, so people continuing to praise him are doing no wrong. However, if one is unsatisfied with the amazing, yet short lived gameplay, then they may aim their hate toward him.
"The score is based on the game at release, at MSRP, full-price. Review scores don't factor in how much the game will cost 5 years down along the line or when it hits the bargain bin, just like they don't cover how good it will be 2 years later with all the fixes, patches and updates. It's an assessment of the game at release day, the state it's in when it comes out at launch. A score is to be used alongside 20 to 40 minute reviews...not to be taken out of context." Legendary/timeless quote from AngryJoe
so there are some comments saying that, joe, being the new MGS player that he is, does not have rights to comment on the game. and does not agree with his review on this. which in fact he said the game itself was good and great. so basically you're all saying that this game is not good. well done... (proves that 90% of the defending MGS fans didn't even bother to watch the whole review) i mean...come on guys, what can't u understand? the game is good he's not saying that the game is bad because of the gameplay it's just bad because of how expensive it is for the amount of gameplay we get... sure side missions add 2, 3 or maybe even 5 hours but really those are side missions, every game has side missions... which if you count those game's asking price compared to this AT RELEASE, makes this game even more cash grab than before for example GTA V $60 with 40 hours of main story and look at many side missions it has..... or better yet... skyrim....look at how many side missions it has....
"wrong in everything else" so you're saying this game in particular is bad.... the graphics are bad.. and the AI is bad.... in fact everything about the gameplay is bad? because joe said it was good and fantastic
MGS fanboys defending this game should be ashamed of themselves. As a Die hard MGS fan this makes me sick and will only buy this when i see it in my local gamestore bargain bin.
Amen brother .im a recent MGS fanboy ,i played through all the games starting from MGS1 ,MGSV ,2,3,4 and peace Walker in that order i I got my copy of ground zeroes a few months ago for 5€ used and in pristine condition . I wont say that isnt fun . It is , and if you are a completionist , then it has quite a bit of content to entertain the player with . But it wasnt worth the 30$ price at launch , no way in hell. Screw Konami for rushing the development of MGS5/V it had the potential to be so much more than what we got. Not buying anything from that scummy company ever again.
Rogue Doge I so wanted to see him go classic Angry Rant after realizing there is only one mission, lol!!! But the review itself is basically his whole reaction summed up to the game's pathetic length!!!
m9gam What are you talking about? I got it for free from PS+, that to me seems like a FREE DEMO. Maybe if you were patient like a lot of people were you would of gotten it for free. If you owned a ps4 that is.
m9gam Haha, I paid $50 for ps+, I get a bunch of games that cost $30+ for free. I basically pay for 1 game and get a whole bunch with that 1 payment. So in the end, I got it for free and only paid for 1 game. You in the other hand paid $30 for this game. I did not. You also called it a demo, so don't tell me it's not a demo afterwards.
Mailb0x1 I am one of the MGS fanboys he spoke of. I wish I could talk with him in person and explain why I think it was worth my money. I understand what he is saying, but I feel he missed some important points.
You know what's hilarious... This review takes longer to watch than it can take to beat the WHOLE FRIGGIN GAME. New Super Luigi U was a better deal for $30 via retail.
One day EA will release a 3 minute demo for Battlefield VI with 1 minute of that being a cutscene, with microtransactions and $60 box price and some people will still go out there and support it. It's getting beyond stupid the amount of shit these publishers get away with.
When you don't know how to justify 30 bucks for Ground Zeroes, then I will do it for you. First of all no one complained that Kojima did huge demos for MGS2 and MGS3 for free back in the days. I had so much fun playing the tanker chapter and the first part of rescuing Sokolov in MGS3 without paying anything. Now Kojima does MGSV which is hugly ambitious and also expensive as hell and what this Ground Zeroes demo mainly is is some kind of crowd funding for Phantom Pain. I bought this overpriced demo because for me it was worth every cent and I want to support Kojima to fulfill his vision for this truely next gen game. I bet everyone who loves the MGS franchise thinks more or less the same.
If you bought it online it was 19.99... I just treated it like a downloadable game, early access or something. It may have been short, even if you include all the mission modes, but that kind of graphical power is rarely seen in a 20 dollar game. Not to mention it's been on sale for under 10 bucks within months of it's release. I don't know what people expected, he told you it'd be the prologue chapter very openly, folks could have just not bought it... Or y'know, did a little research like I did.
***** I'd like to also add that if you bought it on Ps3, you could play it on two consoles... Y'know for those of us with (ahem), two ps3's in different locations..
I got this for twenty bucks, and it was worth every single cent. For $40, absolutely not, but for cheaper, ABSOLUTELY. It plays great, it has multiple side-missions that increase the length of playing, and is well worth the money. Honestly, I consider this part of the payment to get MGSV, because that game will be worth more than $60. And don't insult Kojima. Don't fucking do it. He's made games that are all revolutionary, and Konami is the one who really set the price.
Ahh the old school fanboy defend mechanic. So many, so little to give vital info to. Fuck off fanboy, this "game" isn't even worth 5 fucking dollars and yes this game does deserve ass for its stupid fucking choices! Just because it's kojima doesn't mean it gets to fuck you over while you say oh don't worry it's okay, NO! DONT FUCKING KISS ASS JUST BECAUSE THEYVE DONE GREAT THINGS IN THE PAST! FOOL OPEN YOUR EYES YOU PAID FOR A FUCKING DEMO.
Frank Hinojosa Yes, I did pay for a demo. And you know what, it was a lot better than most anything that year. Not to mention, its replay value is amazing. It's not blind fanboyism. I didn't even beat Peace Walker because of how bad it was, while others claim it's the greatest game ever made. Even so, I don't care; one mistake is nothing in contrast to Kojima's usual perfection. Even further, it wasn't Kojima, it was KONAMI that set the price. You know, the Konami that ran Silent Hill into the ground and then cancelled its one chance for salvation? Yeah, them. I would have paid for P.T., as well. That was a fabulous demo.
/.- do you hear yourself? How dare you defend such a dumb piece of shit like this? How could you expect to pay for a fucking DEMO let alone 20$..... That's just no, even if I was a fanboy of something I know in my life I'd never be a dumb desperate fool and just get it.......god.
Frank Hinojosa I'd rather have spent any amount of money on this than the other "Game of The Years" recently. GTA V: hated it. Last of Us:Hated it Far Cry 4:Hated it And it's not like I've been a MGS fan for years or anything. I literally bought my first MGS game in January. Of this year. Doesn't make GZ any less worth it. Yes, it is a demo, but like I said, I feel that it's part of the payment for Phantom Pain, which, judging off of the gameplay of this game, will be an absolute masterpiece; worth much more than $60. This is the down-payment.
Look I understand your opinion and I completely respect that, hey you hate gta that's fine and far cry 4 that's great because they aren't masterpieces but neither are paid demos, its giving companies more than a reason to continue to do this in the future, a game was always meant to be a 60$ game with everything in it no matter what, now all you see is oh season pass, preorder bonus, Walmart bonus missions and all that bullshit. No. This tears me apart because when I was young all you needed were two important things and youd be fine. The game console And the game itself.
I'd heard it was short but it's far worse than I feared. Replaying is not value, it's desperation. Also the name is another grammatical travesty. Fuck it.
Got GZ with the Phantom Pain "definitive edition" which included TPP and some extra DLC content and I totally agree with you Joe. GZ was a short demo at best, it honestly should have never been a separate entity from TPP, it should have just been an additional prologue that everyone got when they initially bought the whole game, as it is just far too short of a game to be a stand alone title w/a initial price tag of $40!!
It's unfair of Joe to review this game. He HASN'T PLAYED ANY OF THE OTHER MGS GAMES. The opinion is invalid. Caddy's review is the best one imo. Fair review.
Yes, he couldn't possibly have any relevant opinions because he hasn't played the series before. That line about how the price is ridiculous? Totally invalidated. Do you guys listen to the words coming out of your mouths?
so you don't play any of the assassins creeds but you play AC4 but oh wait cant review it cause you haven't played the others. no that's not how reviewing works.its better that he hadn't played the others cause that means there inst any biased towards the series.
Did you even watch the video or even listened to it! he said it himself he couldn't say much about it because he dindn't play the previous games! stupid a** go to caddy then we don't need yo a** here! (excuse my english if its bad!)
***** Are you new on the internet? I'm talking about the fucking fanboys defending this demo and saying that the price tag is worth it! This is me calling out the fanboys who lick Kojima's anus like its the best candy in the world!
***** If you watch the review. Angry Joe called out the fanboys you blind idiotic scumbag! ! Yes he addressed the business aspect, he also addressed the Fanboys defending this rubbish! Even if he did not, even when he did, I will still go out of my way to call the fanboys out for defending this bullshit. !
***** AJ has proven over the years that his opinion is valuable, you on the other hand ask us to value your opinion on the same level, I'm sorry it doesn't work that way
Asael Romo I ended picking it up for $10 used, I refused to pay a single penny more for the game, especially since it took me 49 minutes to beat the main portion.
LeLouche? Is that you? Hey why not use your geass on konami to fix this? Pretty please. Oh and while your at it can I get an HD remake of snake eater please :)
Lewtable A speed run doesn't determine a game or its quality. It determines the fastest possible way for a game to be completed. Speed runners had to spend hours to even obtain 6 mins of play time. You people often disregard that and act like speed runs are the end of the world. I guess $60 games that can be legit speed run in an hour are unacceptable too right? Cause majority of games are speed run in an hour.
MehGamer true but even without a speed run if you play it at your own pace you can beat the story line in less than 2 hours which is still retarded. not saying the game looks bad it actually looks amazing but like he said why pay $40 initially or $30 after price cut for a demo.
I don't think they will do that. Objectively speaking,Metal Gear Solid is in the top 3 most beloved and critically acclaimed franchises of all time,hands down. And,let's face it,the MGS games are selling like hot cakes. Doubt that they will do the same thing to MGS as they did to Castlevania.
This game wasn't meant for the non-Metal Gear fans. Joe, especially if you're a first time Metal Gear player, you should have started literally 5 + games ago. Which is why you don't understand the narrative, as a long time Metal Gear fan I was more than happy with this game.
Ex specially at the end I was so upset also don't read cause I'm about to spoil game I'll leave one line I was so upset she was innocent she didn't deserve it
I hate this idea of "if you play or watch a game's or film's predecessor, then its sequels become more enjoyable". It's silly, why would you alienate new potential fans and customers, especially in what is essentially a demo of a game? A game like this should strive to stand as a product of its own, without needing other products to make it at least enjoyable. Fair enough, you might not got some of the narrative, but when a game becomes almost redundant due to a lack of knowledge of prior entries into the series, the developers have done something horribly wrong. It's especially insulting when a sequel is supposed to take leaps and bounds from its predecessor, but doesn't, much like this game. I'm not suggesting that phantom pain is going to be bad, in fact it will probably turn out great, but seriously, this game doesn't do it any justice at all.
nicolloden Yeah, that's the problem with trying to please fans though. Fans don't necessarily want what's best for a game, and when a dev pays too much attention to fans, you get games like Bioshock 2.
The only problem I see with this review is that Joe mentions that he has never played a MGS game before this one! Common Joe go play the ps1 MGS it's FUCKING MASTERPIECE.
Aleks J I would agree with this, Joe mentioned the lack of story with this and Metal Gear Solid 3 has a wonderful story to kick off the series and get people interested. along with the other games in that list.
What's funny is that Square Enix did the same with Bravely Default, they created a prologue that allowed players to experience the game before release while also seeing what happens beforehand, but here's the thing, it was completely free. I got about 5 hours out of the demo and that's when I knew I had to have the game. Kojima take not, this is how to do prologue demos.
Also if you haven't played Bravely Default go get it now. It's possibly the best Final Fantasy game since the 3D age started and if you don't have a 3DS go and get one and buy the game with it.
I only just now finished the first level of Ground Zeroes and I was like “Wait… seriously? Was that it? Was this just an ad for Phantom Pain? WITHOUT QUIET???!!!” I then decided to check RUclips for more info on this game to see whether I was just nuts or missing the point or something. Thank you Joe.
Just for your information joe, you don't represent gamers as a whole. You only represent Microsoft gamers and the fact that this is your first game in the MGS series is proof of that.
Thats odd. I didnt know I represent "Microsoft Gamers" considering im a PC gamer and own both a PS4 and an XBOXone. How interesting..... oh wait, you dont have any idea what you are talking about. Fail.
AngryJoeShow I love your show man, but if you review a big series like this again, please do your homework first. You don't even need to play the other games; There's plenty of stuff online that summarizes the story fairly well. I agreed with a lot about your review, but bashing on the story and characters of a well-loved, big series like this makes you look like an ignorant douche.
AngryJoeShow I must have struck a nerve for you to have to personally respond to me. PC gaming is Windows based which is Microsoft based. You only just bought a PS4. Wheres your PS3? Like i said, your not a voice for gamers.
***** His reviews are not only for Xbox, or PC, do you even understand that? His reviews are for all platforms, where does he even write in the title "Only Xbox" or "Only PC". On top of that, he bought a PS4. And youre saying he is not a voice for gamers, so youre saying people who play on PC or Xbox , arent gamers? What the hell are you even trying to say? You just cant stand that he said that this game was a plain old cash grab, and the truth behold it is, this is just a demo. He is the voice of gamers....infact if it werent for him you would be paying $40.00 for that cash grab instead of $30.00, you are just a BLIND Metal Gear Solid Fanboy. Im sorry that you cant see that this is a cash grab, and I hope you enjoy wasting money on demos, but please dont ruin it for the rest of us.....thanks.
DannyO007 online? ONLINE?! do you think i fucking play a story based game and watch a cutscene then bring up my fucking browser to look up who this bitch is who in never mentioned?! this isn't about looking up details for a monster of it's origin of infection because you have a hobby and some free time for it, this is important PLOT that should be in the game AND EXPLAINED! did you watch his Destiny review? he pointed out directly that if you have to look up information outside the game then it has failed! and i agree. This isn't LoL with a little lore if you like a certain champion. This is a Dust An Elusian Tail kind of story where you introduce the characters, the scenario, the problem and let the plot thicken and develop IN the game as you progress and learn who these people are.
Dead Rising 2: Case 0 is the perfect example of how to do a prologue game. DLCs have become a sort of money grabbing cancer to most game franchises by their developers; hopefully this kind of thing doesn't catch on.
Can't argue with that. I ended up getting it for $5 to see if I liked it enough to get Phantom Pain and I LOVED it. Now I've been working my way through the entire series and I'm LOVING it. The price tag had to be Konami's doing. I could see $15-20 at launch, but $40 or even $30 is ludacrous. They definitely should have been more forthcoming about exactly what you were getting. Even a few months ago, I heard the game was short, but I was still shocked that it was over so quick. It's like every game in the series may be flawed in some way, but they are all flawed masterpieces.
"The camo from Metal Gear Solid 4 is gone..." The OctoCamo is not gone, it hasn't been invented yet. MGS4 takes place in 2014, whereas MGS5 is set shortly after Peace Walker in 1975.
I still remember when my friend bought this game thinking it was the phantom pain so as you can imagine he wasn't happy when he found out it was pretty much just a demo
It's prologue to Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain. Only get it if you're truly a fan of the series. Otherwise wait for Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain.
Joe. please.. Give us a Dark Souls 2 review when it gets released for the PC. I beg you pleaaase. I want your opinion on this. It would be so friggin' cool to know what you think of it. Especially since the "Souls" series is so tough to complete. xD
Just for the ps3 so far. Joe doesn't own a ps3. Only a ps4. So pc version will be the only option for him. And I don't want to be spoiled by pewds let's play. I want a real tough review done by joe. :P
If you think Big Boss is the guy known as John you are wrong, he is more of an icon than a single entity, a legend that exists through multiple entities
Oh please, that was just a forth wall breaking pretentious bullshit. When Big Boss had to kill his mother base crew, that was the perfect setting for John to become evil. But no! the boss is just you, and you, and you! Ah, and some random doctor. Awful plot twist so Kojima could masturbate his "intelligence" in people faces.
Kyletics omg the game is not an hour long people. If you try to go through the game without player tagging, reflex mode, play on hard difficulty, and never get an alert phase. the game will take you hours and hours and hours to beat. I've played over 100 hours of ground zeroes and played it in the most challenging ways possible so people just don't have the skills to play the game without the assists turned on lol at newbs
You get the same criticisms for movies, since it won't allow new comers and there needs to be some sort of introduction, but I also read that there are some tapes with info about Peace Walker and MGS 3, if that is the case, then it is ok, all games should provide some information since it is a Stand alone title, it is not the same be a episode, Remember that since it stands alone for its own and it is in a complete different generation of consoles
How about you get a "game" worth full prize which is 1 hour long (normal mode not including side missions)? He said "The game is fantastic but it is too short to estabilish any new characters or reintroduce old ones" The difference between GoT and MGS is that the latter is a GAME you can put notes to find or other data so newcomers can learn about the characters. Also you make it like joe said "fuck this game because i don't know the characters" when he actually said "fuck this game it is too short and too expensive. I would actually love to learn about the characters but there is not enough time for that in this moneygrab of a game"
I hope to God that other game companies don't copy this shitty system of breaking up the game in tiny bit sizes and overprice them. If they do copy this system. I'll faceplam so hard that my hand goes through the back of my skull.
It will happen, that's inevitable. But it won't work for most companies. It will blow up in their faces and once they see it hurts their business they won't try it again.
Nope most people are greedy and stupid enough to keep buying this shit. Why the fuck do you think shitty microtransactions are still around?! Gaming is dying. Only way is to get even by NOT buying games anymore....
Man... The Movie and Game industry suck ass in 2014. Michael Bay is making another shitty transformers movie. Our video game plots are getting broken up to tiny bits that we have to pay $30 bucks in order to play it. Most new films are getting less interesting to see. Microsoft is paying companies to be sellouts and to make games for them ONLY. Also there's a huge war between the fans of the PS4 and the Xbox One. What will happen in 2015?
I can't get this mentality of "100% completion and highest score". If that's what you want to get from a game, play online arcade flash games for free, but playing 30 bucks for a game whose only "redeeming" characteristic is to replay it a thousand times to get the best result is plainly absurd.
just finished it in one sitting (in 3 and a half hours) i listened to all the types avalable and did everything but the missions you unlock for finishing the game.i like how kojima just stamps his name all over this game the opening credits have his name posted like 6 times back to back in your face lmao tune your ego down man. but yeah this game is joke. i thought the 2 cut scenes were really good and high quality but besides that... there is no content here at all. you use a silenced pistol and AR the entire mission, and the fact that this game gives you tutorials is a joke. i was laughing by the end thinking "oh my suppressor broke, but i never even had time to find another one before the game ended". The witcher 3 prologue area is like 9 times the size of this entire game. i bought it for 4.99 on sale and i wouldnt have bought it for a penny more.
***** Or maybe you're too young to understand what Blood Dragon was about? It was a NOSTALGIA TRIP. If you didn't get it, then saying that ''Oh I got bored of it so you're all retarded'', makes you yourself an idiot. And I DIDN'T buy Blood Dragon, but I've seen playthroughs of it and I actually fucking understood most of the references and enjoyed it, even though I was born at the time when everything went on. But I've seen old retro movies and played retro games, soo yeah it's just you being uncultured in the gaming/movie culture. P.S: I bet you pirated the game considering your age can't be too high cause of your obliviousness of the fact that it's an nostalgia trip speaks for itself.
If you are a first time "player" on a Metal Gear Solid game, then you have no right to review this game and I don't give a shit how big you are on RUclips. You have no idea how incredible this game series and even the hour long gameplay that was Ground Zeros was more than enough for a true Metal Gear fan. We all have incredibly high hope for the Phantom Pain. This game was the best £20 I ever spent and I'm not the only one who thinks that, so your idea of "how can anyone defend this game" goes straight out of the window
he said the game is good, calm down... and you think only mgs fans get to review this games? they would be all 10/10, same as saying only cod fans should review their franchise. he is trying to prevent people spending 30-40 usd in EVERY demo
kokalombia no, hes complaining that there isnt enough character development. (read my earlier comment) He is incapable of judging the story. he can only judge the gameplay because thats the only thing that a non mgs fan can talk about because he has NO knowledge of the story. he doesnt know who cipher is, he doesnt know who the patriots are, ect. Also people are crying about spending $30 on a game while they spend $20 buying Joe's tshirt while spending $5 on a cup of coffee. Hypocrisy at its finest. btw i dont own gz
kokalombia How can you review a prequel to a game which has a massive backstory, without playing the others. I'm not the only one who thinks this review is a complete waste of time, keep scrolling through the comment section and see what everyone else has to say. My argument is, how can one of the biggest RUclipsrs, criticise a game without playing any of the games in it's series. My guess is, he's just fishing for views on this video. Kojima even came out and said it was short, so why everyone is complaining about it being too short is beyond me. It's not as if we didn't get a warning, and we were forced to buy the game. Don't want to spend money on it, don't buy it. Simple as!
that's exactly what he is saying... you guys are fishing for 10's .... think about it as this... killzone shadowfall got reviewed by him, it has great graphics, boring 10 campaign, and multiplayer, and it got a 6/10 being an easily 15 hrs or so time waster. he is saying a 1 to 2 hours game is almost as good. meaning then, that if this game was twice the content or half the price it would have been an easy 9.5 to 10
Matches Malone i'm a mgs fan , i played almost every mgs ,, and ground zeros is a rip off , it has nothing to do with the gameplay ,, just lack of content , and since am a fan its even worse , its like who i trust slapped me in the face , one more thing , dont act like its your own game cause your a so called "mgs fan" , let others have their say , they might as wl one day become mgs fans !!
Now let's see the prices. $20 For Ground Zeroes and $40 for Phantom Pain I know these used to be higher but as it stands currently if you buy them both it's the price of a new game at release. I still agree that $20 is a lot for a prologue but at least now if you pick them both up it's the price of a new release.
Biggest MGS fanboy, been playing since the PS1, and I totally agree with you man. I was expecting something short, but this was ridiculous. If I hadn't paid for half of it was Gamestop rewards, I'd be livid.
First, Jared and now Joe. I used to have my doubts if I should buy this or pass it and wait for MGSV. My mind is set, I won't support this cheap cash-grab from Konami! If MGS2 was released this year, the Tanker Level would be it's own "game"
Same here, and i just went "Fuck it" and saw the ending to see what was the fuss about the controversial ending was about. TBH it was pretty dark and kinda disgusting. But not worth the price.
It is T-T I'm sure MGSV will come with Ground Zeroes as a bundle or Cheaper DLC. Every hardcore MGS Fan like me must wait. Be patient and do not support this cashbrag from Konami and Kojima!
ive been a a fan of the series for a long time and i just wanted to say not all of us are like that, i know you didnt say that all of us are like that but i wanted to point it out, i thought ground zeroes was fucking awesome but i was really fucking mad and felt betrayed when i found out it was only part of the game. im still going to get the phanptom pain because i love the series, it was frustrating knowing that ground seroes was only a demo and was selling for that much.
Taylor Rouch Yeah MGS4 it's not my favorite, but that Shadow Mosses Island episode was freaking epic! I also liked the first episode in the midle east, I loved each part!
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Your review took longer than to complete the game.
idiot there is more to this game than the one fucking mission
i bet you never even played the game
You lost the bet, now hand over your lunch money.
Maxim Chepelev hahaha
dr penguin No, it's literally a prologue for "The Phantom Pain". So no other mission. You lost your bet.
Lucas Brito 1. there is other missions just not story based.
2. i know it is a prologue to the phantom pain
you think im stupid?
Back in my day they called this a demo
+ShermTank7272 Just like back in the day disc lock content doesn't exist
+ShermTank7272 Back in my day, this was shareware.
back in my da ffffffffffffghgffdfggfffgfggfgghggff
Except it did, loads of PS1 games had it. They didn't ask you to pay for it, but it was there.
If you bought magazines with demos, there was probably hours of gameplay if you counted all the demos on the disc. But it only costed about £5 roughly, for the magazine and the disc.
If Ground Zeros is $30 and the main game is 200X as big, does that mean the full game will cost $6000?
Makes sense :D
lol! Hilarious observation!
If the full game will be £50 the shouldn't this have been 200x cheaper than that?
So that's what next generation truly means
Quick mafs!
konami played us LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE!!!
God fucking damnit
THEY TOOK IT ALL!!
MGS memes are the best.
IT HAD TO BE DONE!
Diren Cloe kept you waiting huh?
so i can buy it on steam finish it in a hour and get a refund before the 2 hour mark ;)
SecoBomb 😃😂
You could lol
lol
Guess you can. Then again the focus of the games was almost always to play again and get S ranks. If you don´t care about ranks then even Metal Gear Rising Revengeance is short. Bought it on Steam offer and it was money well spent.
So witty and original... I envy you.
Why are we still here... Just to suffer... The dollars I've lost... The cents I've lost... My wallet... It won't stop hurting... You fell it too don't you... The lightness in your pockets... It's like my money is still there...
TheNec_Romancer Quality comment.
A phantom pain
I won't scatter your wallet to the heartless sea, we'll make dollars from its ashes.
that's actually pretty funny
Kept you waiting huh?
Joe: "because FUCK YOU GIVE ME MONEY"
Easily one of the best quotes I've ever heard.
Skull Sniper The best one was the Godzilla one, when it sounded like "Because FUK U GIM ME MONEE." 😂
@@austinberry5696 🤣👌
And he gave them money so whos really to blame..the consumer who allows this shit is.
@@ShutUpBubiExcept he's a reviewer, so he essentially has to pay to review it.
I've got this "game" today for 5$. The blessing of Patience.
Same.
Fahim Ahmed PSN Store sale.
I got it for free on Xbox Live Games with Gold.
Guinea Pig Racer! I got it for free with psn one month don't rember when
Guinea Pig Racer! I got it for free
Look at all the fanboys trying to defend this unacceptable ripoff of a game...
You don't charge 30 dollars for a demo with less than 4 hours of content. It doesn't matter how good it is, it's still a terrible value.
That's why I purchased this game when it was $15 on Xbox One hah. I am not a fanboy either, I happen to have played MGS for the first time when I got it. I still think $15 may be too much but it was good.
Glad someone wasn't smelling their own farts and watched the actual video
You do realize that there's such a thing as not being able to get the first four games, right? With a little time on the internet, you can quickly learn all the basics. I jumped into the Elder Scrolls at #4, and I have no problems with the lore. You don't have to play all previous metal gear games from the NES to the spinoffs to understand what's going on.
Sam Geuvenen at least give a good comparison. there is nothing from morrowind that you are required to know in oblivion. you can play any zelda game in any order. mgs is a story driven franchise and requires you to know the story. also if joe wants to only play as big boss he only needs to play 2 mgs games. mgs 3 and mgs peace walker
Ok, let's try another example. Why not look at... Metal Gear? I got in with MGS1 and I understood what was happening without playing the NES games. My best friend started on Sons of Liberty, and another started with Peace Walker, and they're just fine. The only Metal Gear game you can't play without playing the previous ones is Guns of the Patriots, but that's due to all the bits of old metal gears in it.
You spend more time crawling like a worm on the first level of TPP then you do through the entire game of GZ
😁
Right lol
That's why he got his name Snake ... crawling with no arms lol but hey he got a nice 6 pack abs workout ha ha
In Ground Zero, it’s so easy to take on the entire base and win
+Squeguin Gamer There were no Ground Zeroes (Nuclear explosions).
lol this review is longer than the game
Not really. The game is actually about an hour long. :P
+Jacob Medors Speed runs
+ThunderTime Yeah
Funny cuz it's tru
the thing is this is actually true though looool
Someone managed to play this game for 300 hours.
+videoshack12351
Oh.
I just fooled around when I played it. Also Metak gear solid TPP is really good. You need to get it
TBH I thought GZ was better than Guns of the Patriots.
I stopped playing at Otacons mission in Europe. Abysmal.
Maelich Arn you sound like the type of person to get served bread crust after ordering a sandwich, and then proceed to walk away saying "AwW GeEz I gOt the BesT ParT!"
The ending was heart breaking, especially if you had spent 100+ hours with Peace Walker.
YES
Mixa Peace Walker was sick! Now just imagine how MGS5 is going to be...CANT WAIT!
Mixa I hope Alligator survived. ;_;
AwesomeNightman Oh gosh, he was my favourite too. Poor fella.
Yeah Alligator was my favorite too…
Plot Twist: Ishmael is Alligator
When the review is longer than the game, you know you're fucked.
Except it's not longer than the game. The game is longer than 24 minutes.
***** people have beaten it in UNDER 10 MINUTES.
KRIMZONMEKANISM Because speed runs define a game's length. Skyrim is an hour long then.
KRIMZONMEKANISM well sum1 broke the record by beating the game for 4 hours only
KRIMZONMEKANISM 1 Guy Did It In Under 6 Minutes
I got the Mafia II demo for free on Steam. How much playtime? More than this.
10/10 gaming industry is better than ever - ign
that's a nice demo (even though I got the game for "free" and completed it)
Mafia II is a fucking awesome game, but the end hit right on my face...
El Manco Gaming yeah where's my mafia 3
TehObLiVioUs Where is my Mafia 2 open world?
***** Really?
FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE SAYING I GOT IT FREE BECAUSE GOLD/PS PLUS That doesn't excuse This Practice! at All!
xX-Mephiles-Xx agreed, but I think they are just informing others that it is available basically free if you have Xbox Gold or PS Plus or the definitive edition of TPP (which is what I personally have)!
You missed the point entirely! People being so damn willing to jump on anything that rolls out so fast regardless of the cost instead of being patient are the ones who pay the price......literally
Somebody needs to make a compilation of Joe saying "FOUR HOURS" and have it on loop for four hours.
I'm glad I waited til it was free on PS ➕.
You and me both.
Roxas theNobody hello guys
sinatre34 So glad I waited. It was great for free
Roxas theNobody Me too
sinatre34 yup
You could say that... THEY PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE
Who ever issues Snake with binoculars has a sick sense of humour.... they should give him a pirate telescope.
Sad but true
This review is 5 times longer than MGS Ground Zeroes
HAHAHAHAHA
Haha
This review is longer than the actual game.
Lel, Joe predicted the Definitive Experience.
Dakota Andrews yep... Lol!
I love how someone could speed run this game almost 3 times before this review ends
maybe 4
@@KnightKass 6 * 4 is gonna be More than 24 minutes
You know what's funny? Just about everyone who is following Ground Zeroes has probably spent more time reading and watching reviews of it than what it takes to actually finish it.
I can vouch for that, reeaaalllyyy tempted to go buy it though so I probably will when I get over to the PSStore
Got the game for free on PS Plus. Still feel cheated 😂
Dude. I feel the same. Took like a day to download. Beat it in 40 minutes. I was shocked.
Dalton Uber Oscar Reece I downloaded it in 30 minutes, finished the primary mission in 50 minutes (S rank, first try), Beat all side missions (including Body Snatchers and Dejavu) in about 6 hours together with all S ranks first try.
It was free and it was amazing, so happy I decided to hold back for it
Hahaha xD
How'd you unlock the extra missions?
Dalton Uber do the main mission and I think it unlocks the next. If I remember correctly, to unlock one of the bonus missions you have to find all the patches throughout the ground zeroes mission through one playthrough
“Capcom is the king of BS DLC”
EA-DICE: Hold my beer
WB GAMES: hold my batman figure
Bungie: Hold our awards because we're gonna split up Destiny's campaign into different expansions.
This comment ages so well, especially with bf2042 rn
The year is 2024.... And capcom is ON FIRE... Banger after Banger..
IF we as consumers buy these games, it will only get worse and worse. It is like saying to EA and Activision and every publisher out there, "Please go ahead and make your games shorter and pricier! We can handle it!" And to think, I love the MGS franchise. I hate talking bad about it.
The problem with people these days is that they don't give *two f$%ks* about our rights.
Why are you following me Robby? XD
Robby
Star Wars HQ
Now we have to stop buying ea games!!!
Star Wars HQ aren't you the dudes that try to defend EA battlefront and their fucking bullshit
Finally someone who isn't kissing Kojima's butt. Thanks for your honest review, Joe!
Projared is not too.
Kojima isn't to blame for the price, so people continuing to praise him are doing no wrong. However, if one is unsatisfied with the amazing, yet short lived gameplay, then they may aim their hate toward him.
"The score is based on the game at release, at MSRP, full-price. Review scores don't factor in how much the game will cost 5 years down along the line or when it hits the bargain bin, just like they don't cover how good it will be 2 years later with all the fixes, patches and updates. It's an assessment of the game at release day, the state it's in when it comes out at launch. A score is to be used alongside 20 to 40 minute reviews...not to be taken out of context."
Legendary/timeless quote from AngryJoe
When I saw the title of the video I just knew this would be gold. Video plays, first frame is Joe double facepalming. I'mma go get some popcorn.
The guy who uses "Four Hours" as his catch phrase XD.
It was quite obvious that he'd freak out at "Less Than 3 Hours".
HE'S A MAN NOT A GOD
lmaoo
Come on comrades!
“Godzilla is approching the generator!” “the generator is losing power!”
He's a man not a weapon to surpass metal gear!
This review is longer than the actual game...... I'll just let that sink in.
5 months later to copy another comment.
Hyoi-geinin ikr
I hope that *sink* comment was unintentional RIP Mother base
In the time that I watched this video I could have purchased, completed and then traded this game back in. Nice.
Can you rent Ground Zeroes?
That was a funny review
hey shake!
I'm just 9 years late
so there are some comments saying that, joe, being the new MGS player that he is, does not have rights to comment on the game. and does not agree with his review on this. which in fact he said the game itself was good and great. so basically you're all saying that this game is not good. well done... (proves that 90% of the defending MGS fans didn't even bother to watch the whole review)
i mean...come on guys, what can't u understand? the game is good he's not saying that the game is bad because of the gameplay it's just bad because of how expensive it is for the amount of gameplay we get...
sure side missions add 2, 3 or maybe even 5 hours but really those are side missions, every game has side missions... which if you count those game's asking price compared to this AT RELEASE, makes this game even more cash grab than before for example GTA V $60 with 40 hours of main story and look at many side missions it has..... or better yet... skyrim....look at how many side missions it has....
He doesn't even played PW.. He's right about the price for a demo, wrong in everything else.
"wrong in everything else"
so you're saying this game in particular is bad.... the graphics are bad.. and the AI is bad.... in fact everything about the gameplay is bad?
because joe said it was good and fantastic
Andrew Timothy Sorry, it was "everything else he doesn't like". Use your logic amigo, I have Big Boss as avatar..
i'm sure your "big boss" would be more specific with his sentence
aaanyway... welp as long as you agree the price is wrong then i salute you
Andrew Timothy Only things I remember well about BB is "hm?" and "Kept you waiting, huh?". GREAT sentences lol.
your review was longer than the game
This review is longer than the game...
MGS fanboys defending this game should be ashamed of themselves.
As a Die hard MGS fan this makes me sick and will only buy this when i see it in my local gamestore bargain bin.
Amen brother .im a recent MGS fanboy ,i played through all the games starting from MGS1 ,MGSV ,2,3,4 and peace Walker in that order i I got my copy of ground zeroes a few months ago for 5€ used and in pristine condition . I wont say that isnt fun . It is , and if you are a completionist , then it has quite a bit of content to entertain the player with . But it wasnt worth the 30$ price at launch , no way in hell. Screw Konami for rushing the development of MGS5/V it had the potential to be so much more than what we got. Not buying anything from that scummy company ever again.
Would anyone else pay to see his reaction to there not being another level? He should have included that crap
He did at 13:34
Would you pay $30?? :)))
Rogue Doge I so wanted to see him go classic Angry Rant after realizing there is only one mission, lol!!! But the review itself is basically his whole reaction summed up to the game's pathetic length!!!
@@limaecho2475 Felt staged
5 out of 10? Way too high.
The game is not bad why less than 5/10? Use you're brain dude
Philipp Puk Because 5 years ago this would have been a FREE DEMO. Unbelievable that people accept this.
m9gam What are you talking about? I got it for free from PS+, that to me seems like a FREE DEMO. Maybe if you were patient like a lot of people were you would of gotten it for free. If you owned a ps4 that is.
chrissluvu Doesn't matter, it's not a demo, you pay for ps+ so payed for the game.
m9gam Haha, I paid $50 for ps+, I get a bunch of games that cost $30+ for free. I basically pay for 1 game and get a whole bunch with that 1 payment. So in the end, I got it for free and only paid for 1 game. You in the other hand paid $30 for this game. I did not. You also called it a demo, so don't tell me it's not a demo afterwards.
Nowadays we get “experiences” billed as full games with little content for $60+
Woot he mentioned me!!! The 6 minutes record was mine!. I'm honored!
Nice
Your profile pic sums up what I feel.
What did you think of the game too short?
Mailb0x1 I am one of the MGS fanboys he spoke of. I wish I could talk with him in person and explain why I think it was worth my money. I understand what he is saying, but I feel he missed some important points.
I know I watched your video where you did the speed run. The points were great!
This is why I go to you Joe for reviews. Honesty. No bullshit. The truth.
Same here, i based my own reviews on him, because it's entertaining, funny, an honest opinion and full of facts.
Agree 100%. Well said.
I'm a new MGS Fan and I completely agree with Joe.
A game without much content, short, and part of the "full" experience is indeed a demo.
Even the phantom pain was shorter compared to the older games in the series hell I'd even say the old msx games were longer
+Nathan Evans are you completely fucking high.
M I A KOOL YET? yeah i was
Man that is a shit load of things to do wtf. The game is amazing, GOTY easy.
There are four types of side missions and one map.
Got it free with gold. :)
Wait I have gold, When was it free?
Same :)
+Conor Magee I brought it for the extra staff and exclusive MSF sneaking suit :D
Matt Mcmahan it was free back in either April, May or June. I think June.
yeah XD
You know what's hilarious... This review takes longer to watch than it can take to beat the WHOLE FRIGGIN GAME.
New Super Luigi U was a better deal for $30 via retail.
I'd love to see someone play the game with this in the background
"Less content in games" completely defines Microsoft exclusives including Titanfail.
I still feel robbed, paid 30$ for it
@@hexa7730 And the Definitive Edition STILL didn't include mission 51!!! What the actual fuck, Konami?!
im tickled that "less then *slowmo* 4 hours" has become sort of a catchphrase at the moment XD
One day EA will release a 3 minute demo for Battlefield VI with 1 minute of that being a cutscene, with microtransactions and $60 box price and some people will still go out there and support it. It's getting beyond stupid the amount of shit these publishers get away with.
so this review is longer than the experienced players' playthroughs :D
I can defend this. Only because I paid $2 on steam yesterday.
When you don't know how to justify 30 bucks for Ground Zeroes, then I will do it for you. First of all no one complained that Kojima did huge demos for MGS2 and MGS3 for free back in the days. I had so much fun playing the tanker chapter and the first part of rescuing Sokolov in MGS3 without paying anything.
Now Kojima does MGSV which is hugly ambitious and also expensive as hell and what this Ground Zeroes demo mainly is is some kind of crowd funding for Phantom Pain. I bought this overpriced demo because for me it was worth every cent and I want to support Kojima to fulfill his vision for this truely next gen game. I bet everyone who loves the MGS franchise thinks more or less the same.
Preach my brother PREACH!!!!
You said it yourself. It's a demo.
You don't pay for demos. They're available for free, not something you'd pay for.
If you bought it online it was 19.99... I just treated it like a downloadable game, early access or something. It may have been short, even if you include all the mission modes, but that kind of graphical power is rarely seen in a 20 dollar game.
Not to mention it's been on sale for under 10 bucks within months of it's release. I don't know what people expected, he told you it'd be the prologue chapter very openly, folks could have just not bought it... Or y'know, did a little research like I did.
***** I'd like to also add that if you bought it on Ps3, you could play it on two consoles... Y'know for those of us with (ahem), two ps3's in different locations..
If it was this way then we should buy everything good or bad makes no difference because we are just ''funding'' multimilionaire companies
So, this game can be completed in less time than a Sonic 1 speed run? That's definitely setting the bar right there for next gen.
Are you planning to squeeze out any more YTP's into the RUclips U-bend anytime in the near future, Mr Beans?
What is this, the RUclips Pooper corner?
***** I'll be squeezing out one more, I'll be pretty much done with YTP after that.
lol
***** No, we enjoy endorsing people who produce good products.
better than metal gear survive haha
Oof
The moment you realize that the review is longer than the game...
Your avatar fits so fantastically with your comment.
looking back here with the release of mgsurvive, i really think this is konami's fault, not kojima's.
Did you like death stranding? I didn't. I think part of TPP disaster story's fault is Kojima's too
@@eliteclasswarrior94 Kojima thinks of too many movies while trying to make games
You can complete this game 4 times in the time takes to watch this video. Lol. I'd rather they just released the full game at a later date.
I got this for twenty bucks, and it was worth every single cent. For $40, absolutely not, but for cheaper, ABSOLUTELY. It plays great, it has multiple side-missions that increase the length of playing, and is well worth the money.
Honestly, I consider this part of the payment to get MGSV, because that game will be worth more than $60.
And don't insult Kojima. Don't fucking do it. He's made games that are all revolutionary, and Konami is the one who really set the price.
Ahh the old school fanboy defend mechanic. So many, so little to give vital info to. Fuck off fanboy, this "game" isn't even worth 5 fucking dollars and yes this game does deserve ass for its stupid fucking choices! Just because it's kojima doesn't mean it gets to fuck you over while you say oh don't worry it's okay, NO! DONT FUCKING KISS ASS JUST BECAUSE THEYVE DONE GREAT THINGS IN THE PAST! FOOL OPEN YOUR EYES YOU PAID FOR A FUCKING DEMO.
Frank Hinojosa Yes, I did pay for a demo. And you know what, it was a lot better than most anything that year. Not to mention, its replay value is amazing.
It's not blind fanboyism. I didn't even beat Peace Walker because of how bad it was, while others claim it's the greatest game ever made. Even so, I don't care; one mistake is nothing in contrast to Kojima's usual perfection. Even further, it wasn't Kojima, it was KONAMI that set the price. You know, the Konami that ran Silent Hill into the ground and then cancelled its one chance for salvation? Yeah, them.
I would have paid for P.T., as well. That was a fabulous demo.
/.- do you hear yourself? How dare you defend such a dumb piece of shit like this? How could you expect to pay for a fucking DEMO let alone 20$..... That's just no, even if I was a fanboy of something I know in my life I'd never be a dumb desperate fool and just get it.......god.
Frank Hinojosa I'd rather have spent any amount of money on this than the other "Game of The Years" recently. GTA V: hated it.
Last of Us:Hated it
Far Cry 4:Hated it
And it's not like I've been a MGS fan for years or anything. I literally bought my first MGS game in January. Of this year. Doesn't make GZ any less worth it.
Yes, it is a demo, but like I said, I feel that it's part of the payment for Phantom Pain, which, judging off of the gameplay of this game, will be an absolute masterpiece; worth much more than $60. This is the down-payment.
Look I understand your opinion and I completely respect that, hey you hate gta that's fine and far cry 4 that's great because they aren't masterpieces but neither are paid demos, its giving companies more than a reason to continue to do this in the future, a game was always meant to be a 60$ game with everything in it no matter what, now all you see is oh season pass, preorder bonus, Walmart bonus missions and all that bullshit. No. This tears me apart because when I was young all you needed were two important things and youd be fine.
The game console
And the game itself.
Honestly this whole thing smells more of Konami then Kojima, especially given Konami's horrible god awful business decisions recently.
I'd heard it was short but it's far worse than I feared.
Replaying is not value, it's desperation.
Also the name is another grammatical travesty.
Fuck it.
"Revengeance"
God damn it fanboys in the comments, stop being so predictable !!!
Don't underestimate them... They can be unpredictable in a snap!
Lol
Review was longer than the game.
Who cares that its overpriced? If its good people will buy it. Sick of idiots who prefer quantity over quality.
DEATHCERRI mika You're paying $40 for 1 hour (2 at most incl side missions) of game time.
You're a moron for thinking that is defendable.
DEATHCERRI mika Quantity has a part in quality.
DEATHCERRI mika
Shouldn't we expect both quality and quantity?
DEATHCERRI mika
No one does that! Why would they?
If the game was a reasonable price, then there would not be this anger towards it, but it is not!
This review is as long as the campaign lol
And it didnt cost you 40 dollars !
awais anwar Neither did the game.
awais anwar Don´t give RUclips any ideas!!!
awais anwar haters must pay 40 dollars to mark this comment as spam or deleted
Ole Christian Henne Or better, pay 40 dollars for just commenting.
- The future
Got GZ with the Phantom Pain "definitive edition" which included TPP and some extra DLC content and I totally agree with you Joe. GZ was a short demo at best, it honestly should have never been a separate entity from TPP, it should have just been an additional prologue that everyone got when they initially bought the whole game, as it is just far too short of a game to be a stand alone title w/a initial price tag of $40!!
It's unfair of Joe to review this game. He HASN'T PLAYED ANY OF THE OTHER MGS GAMES. The opinion is invalid. Caddy's review is the best one imo. Fair review.
Yes, he couldn't possibly have any relevant opinions because he hasn't played the series before. That line about how the price is ridiculous? Totally invalidated.
Do you guys listen to the words coming out of your mouths?
so you don't play any of the assassins creeds but you play AC4 but oh wait cant review it cause you haven't played the others. no that's not how reviewing works.its better that he hadn't played the others cause that means there inst any biased towards the series.
What does that have to do with it? Outside of the series story arch, a game should stand on its own merits not its previous/future series titles.
Did you even watch the video or even listened to it! he said it himself he couldn't say much about it because he dindn't play the previous games!
stupid a** go to caddy then we don't need yo a** here!
(excuse my english if its bad!)
Patrick Roux This game is ment to bridge Peace Walker and The phantom Pain.
Thank you Joe, the amount of fanboys defending this bullshit is pathetic!
***** Are you new on the internet? I'm talking about the fucking fanboys defending this demo and saying that the price tag is worth it! This is me calling out the fanboys who lick Kojima's anus like its the best candy in the world!
*****
and why should your opinion be relevant?
this review is almost as long ass the actual game lmao
***** If you watch the review. Angry Joe called out the fanboys you blind idiotic scumbag! ! Yes he addressed the business aspect, he also addressed the Fanboys defending this rubbish! Even if he did not, even when he did, I will still go out of my way to call the fanboys out for defending this bullshit. !
*****
AJ has proven over the years that his opinion is valuable, you on the other hand ask us to value your opinion on the same level, I'm sorry it doesn't work that way
who else got it for free last year on Playstation plus :)?
Asael Romo I ended picking it up for $10 used, I refused to pay a single penny more for the game, especially since it took me 49 minutes to beat the main portion.
I had the opportunity to download it
it should be free without the plus
I couldn't have been the only one who expected this to be just a thirty minute loop of him saying FOOOURR HOOOURRRSSS???!!!
you fucking serious 6 mins for a speed run i take shits longer than that, this new generation of gaming is just one big fucking joke i swear.
A complete noob beat it in little over an hour. FTL.
LeLouche? Is that you? Hey why not use your geass on konami to fix this? Pretty please. Oh and while your at it can I get an HD remake of snake eater please :)
lol because speed runs equal first play through right? You know how many times you have to play through the game for speed runs? Lots.
Lewtable A speed run doesn't determine a game or its quality. It determines the fastest possible way for a game to be completed. Speed runners had to spend hours to even obtain 6 mins of play time. You people often disregard that and act like speed runs are the end of the world. I guess $60 games that can be legit speed run in an hour are unacceptable too right? Cause majority of games are speed run in an hour.
MehGamer true but even without a speed run if you play it at your own pace you can beat the story line in less than 2 hours which is still retarded. not saying the game looks bad it actually looks amazing but like he said why pay $40 initially or $30 after price cut for a demo.
Dammit Konami, you first started treating Castlevania as a little investment, quick profit return for the last 15 years. Don't do this to MGS as well!
I don't think they will do that. Objectively speaking,Metal Gear Solid is in the top 3 most beloved and critically acclaimed franchises of all time,hands down. And,let's face it,the MGS games are selling like hot cakes. Doubt that they will do the same thing to MGS as they did to Castlevania.
This was the warning sign of what was to come from Konami...
"It's also an open world funeral ground."
This game wasn't meant for the non-Metal Gear fans. Joe, especially if you're a first time Metal Gear player, you should have started literally 5 + games ago. Which is why you don't understand the narrative, as a long time Metal Gear fan I was more than happy with this game.
Ex specially at the end I was so upset also don't read cause I'm about to spoil game I'll leave one line
I was so upset she was innocent she didn't deserve it
I hate this idea of "if you play or watch a game's or film's predecessor, then its sequels become more enjoyable". It's silly, why would you alienate new potential fans and customers, especially in what is essentially a demo of a game? A game like this should strive to stand as a product of its own, without needing other products to make it at least enjoyable. Fair enough, you might not got some of the narrative, but when a game becomes almost redundant due to a lack of knowledge of prior entries into the series, the developers have done something horribly wrong. It's especially insulting when a sequel is supposed to take leaps and bounds from its predecessor, but doesn't, much like this game. I'm not suggesting that phantom pain is going to be bad, in fact it will probably turn out great, but seriously, this game doesn't do it any justice at all.
The gameplay was pretty good. Not worth the money I paid for it though. As for graphics, meh, they never seal the deal for me.
PopeBenedictGaming Sequels should be like that, but this is different. This is a little taste of the Phantom Pain for the fans who can't wait.
nicolloden Yeah, that's the problem with trying to please fans though. Fans don't necessarily want what's best for a game, and when a dev pays too much attention to fans, you get games like Bioshock 2.
The only problem I see with this review is that Joe mentions that he has never played a MGS game before this one! Common Joe go play the ps1 MGS it's FUCKING MASTERPIECE.
If he's to play The phantom Pain he should wait with that ^^
Remember Big boss and solid snake are two very different stories!
He needs to play peace walker
1964 - Snake Eater
1970 - Portable Ops
1974 - Peace Walker
1974/75 - Ground Zeroes
1984 - The Phantom Pain
This is the way he should go.
M -senpai true
Aleks J I would agree with this, Joe mentioned the lack of story with this and Metal Gear Solid 3 has a wonderful story to kick off the series and get people interested. along with the other games in that list.
this review is longer than the game
What's funny is that Square Enix did the same with Bravely Default, they created a prologue that allowed players to experience the game before release while also seeing what happens beforehand, but here's the thing, it was completely free. I got about 5 hours out of the demo and that's when I knew I had to have the game. Kojima take not, this is how to do prologue demos.
Also if you haven't played Bravely Default go get it now. It's possibly the best Final Fantasy game since the 3D age started and if you don't have a 3DS go and get one and buy the game with it.
Amen, brother.
I only just now finished the first level of Ground Zeroes and I was like “Wait… seriously? Was that it? Was this just an ad for Phantom Pain? WITHOUT QUIET???!!!”
I then decided to check RUclips for more info on this game to see whether I was just nuts or missing the point or something.
Thank you Joe.
Just for your information joe, you don't represent gamers as a whole. You only represent Microsoft gamers and the fact that this is your first game in the MGS series is proof of that.
Thats odd. I didnt know I represent "Microsoft Gamers" considering im a PC gamer and own both a PS4 and an XBOXone. How interesting..... oh wait, you dont have any idea what you are talking about. Fail.
AngryJoeShow I love your show man, but if you review a big series like this again, please do your homework first. You don't even need to play the other games; There's plenty of stuff online that summarizes the story fairly well.
I agreed with a lot about your review, but bashing on the story and characters of a well-loved, big series like this makes you look like an ignorant douche.
AngryJoeShow I must have struck a nerve for you to have to personally respond to me. PC gaming is Windows based which is Microsoft based. You only just bought a PS4. Wheres your PS3? Like i said, your not a voice for gamers.
***** His reviews are not only for Xbox, or PC, do you even understand that? His reviews are for all platforms, where does he even write in the title "Only Xbox" or "Only PC". On top of that, he bought a PS4. And youre saying he is not a voice for gamers, so youre saying people who play on PC or Xbox , arent gamers? What the hell are you even trying to say? You just cant stand that he said that this game was a plain old cash grab, and the truth behold it is, this is just a demo. He is the voice of gamers....infact if it werent for him you would be paying $40.00 for that cash grab instead of $30.00, you are just a BLIND Metal Gear Solid Fanboy. Im sorry that you cant see that this is a cash grab, and I hope you enjoy wasting money on demos, but please dont ruin it for the rest of us.....thanks.
DannyO007 online? ONLINE?!
do you think i fucking play a story based game and watch a cutscene then bring up my fucking browser to look up who this bitch is who in never mentioned?! this isn't about looking up details for a monster of it's origin of infection because you have a hobby and some free time for it, this is important PLOT that should be in the game AND EXPLAINED!
did you watch his Destiny review? he pointed out directly that if you have to look up information outside the game then it has failed! and i agree. This isn't LoL with a little lore if you like a certain champion. This is a Dust An Elusian Tail kind of story where you introduce the characters, the scenario, the problem and let the plot thicken and develop IN the game as you progress and learn who these people are.
Dead Rising 2: Case 0 is the perfect example of how to do a prologue game. DLCs have become a sort of money grabbing cancer to most game franchises by their developers; hopefully this kind of thing doesn't catch on.
Prologue*.
TheAlmightyVox He spelled it right. Read it again*
applefacemoron He edited his post.
-.- Oops sry. :3
Can't argue with that.
I ended up getting it for $5 to see if I liked it enough to get Phantom Pain and I LOVED it. Now I've been working my way through the entire series and I'm LOVING it. The price tag had to be Konami's doing. I could see $15-20 at launch, but $40 or even $30 is ludacrous. They definitely should have been more forthcoming about exactly what you were getting. Even a few months ago, I heard the game was short, but I was still shocked that it was over so quick.
It's like every game in the series may be flawed in some way, but they are all flawed masterpieces.
"The camo from Metal Gear Solid 4 is gone..."
The OctoCamo is not gone, it hasn't been invented yet. MGS4 takes place in 2014, whereas MGS5 is set shortly after Peace Walker in 1975.
he doesnt know he hasnt played mgs4 yet hes new to the series hes got a lot of games to go through lol
They could have kept MGS3' system, it was great!
Still...no cardboard box :(
ReconWing
I know he doesn't know. That's why I'm leaving a comment explaining the absence of the OctoCamo suit.
Misgnomer Productions ok thats cool
Are we gonna get a infamous SS review.
I still remember when my friend bought this game thinking it was the phantom pain so as you can imagine he wasn't happy when he found out it was pretty much just a demo
Same thing happened to me, I was pissed. Still loved Ground Zeroes though.
happened to me too but i was more pissed at the fact that i didnt get my cool bionic arm
So... this isn't the FULL game?
No
I would have paid full price for it tbh...I put about 26 hours into it, but no it is not a "full" game.
Jackson Ryding I played it at least like 50 times. I love perfecting the map and doing interesting challenges like only playing in first person.
PHANTOM PAIN NOT RAIN GOD PLEASE DONT ITS PAIN
It's prologue to Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain.
Only get it if you're truly a fan of the series.
Otherwise wait for Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain.
Joe. please.. Give us a Dark Souls 2 review when it gets released for the PC. I beg you pleaaase. I want your opinion on this. It would be so friggin' cool to know what you think of it. Especially since the "Souls" series is so tough to complete. xD
Souls series are my favourite games :3
it's awesome. Best of both Dark and Demon souls combined into one gigantic package.
And Smelter demon...fuck that guy.
Just for the ps3 so far. Joe doesn't own a ps3. Only a ps4. So pc version will be the only option for him. And I don't want to be spoiled by pewds let's play. I want a real tough review done by joe. :P
I didn't know they release DLCs before the main game.
That actually made me laugh.
SPOILERS: At least you actually play as Big Boss in this one.
ha! hahahah
***** There you go.
You are Big Boss in the Phantom Pain too. I am big Boss, and you are too !
If you think Big Boss is the guy known as John you are wrong, he is more of an icon than a single entity, a legend that exists through multiple entities
Oh please, that was just a forth wall breaking pretentious bullshit. When Big Boss had to kill his mother base crew, that was the perfect setting for John to become evil. But no! the boss is just you, and you, and you! Ah, and some random doctor. Awful plot twist so Kojima could masturbate his "intelligence" in people faces.
Konami: The Japanese EA
How about I watch the third season of Game Of Thrones, and criticise that the characters aren't defined for me?
You're right on that, but he is right in saying that it is overpriced and that it is a money grab.
Whether you understand the characters and plot or not, an hour of content isn't worth 30 bucks.
Kyletics omg the game is not an hour long people. If you try to go through the game without player tagging, reflex mode, play on hard difficulty, and never get an alert phase. the game will take you hours and hours and hours to beat. I've played over 100 hours of ground zeroes and played it in the most challenging ways possible so people just don't have the skills to play the game without the assists turned on lol at newbs
You get the same criticisms for movies, since it won't allow new comers and there needs to be some sort of introduction, but I also read that there are some tapes with info about Peace Walker and MGS 3, if that is the case, then it is ok, all games should provide some information since it is a Stand alone title, it is not the same be a episode, Remember that since it stands alone for its own and it is in a complete different generation of consoles
How about you get a "game" worth full prize which is 1 hour long (normal mode not including side missions)?
He said "The game is fantastic but it is too short to estabilish any new characters or reintroduce old ones"
The difference between GoT and MGS is that the latter is a GAME you can put notes to find or other data so newcomers can learn about the characters.
Also you make it like joe said "fuck this game because i don't know the characters" when he actually said "fuck this game it is too short and too expensive. I would actually love to learn about the characters but there is not enough time for that in this moneygrab of a game"
I hope to God that other game companies don't copy this shitty system of breaking up the game in tiny bit sizes and overprice them. If they do copy this system. I'll faceplam so hard that my hand goes through the back of my skull.
It will happen, that's inevitable. But it won't work for most companies. It will blow up in their faces and once they see it hurts their business they won't try it again.
Nope most people are greedy and stupid enough to keep buying this shit. Why the fuck do you think shitty microtransactions are still around?! Gaming is dying. Only way is to get even by NOT buying games anymore....
Man... The Movie and Game industry suck ass in 2014. Michael Bay is making another shitty transformers movie. Our video game plots are getting broken up to tiny bits that we have to pay $30 bucks in order to play it. Most new films are getting less interesting to see. Microsoft is paying companies to be sellouts and to make games for them ONLY. Also there's a huge war between the fans of the PS4 and the Xbox One. What will happen in 2015?
I can't get this mentality of "100% completion and highest score". If that's what you want to get from a game, play online arcade flash games for free, but playing 30 bucks for a game whose only "redeeming" characteristic is to replay it a thousand times to get the best result is plainly absurd.
just finished it in one sitting (in 3 and a half hours) i listened to all the types avalable and did everything but the missions you unlock for finishing the game.i like how kojima just stamps his name all over this game the opening credits have his name posted like 6 times back to back in your face lmao tune your ego down man. but yeah this game is joke. i thought the 2 cut scenes were really good and high quality but besides that... there is no content here at all. you use a silenced pistol and AR the entire mission, and the fact that this game gives you tutorials is a joke. i was laughing by the end thinking "oh my suppressor broke, but i never even had time to find another one before the game ended". The witcher 3 prologue area is like 9 times the size of this entire game. i bought it for 4.99 on sale and i wouldnt have bought it for a penny more.
Far Cry 3 Blood Dragon had more value at 15 dollars...
*****
Please don't lol at yourself.
You sound like a douche.
***** Or maybe you're too young to understand what Blood Dragon was about? It was a NOSTALGIA TRIP. If you didn't get it, then saying that ''Oh I got bored of it so you're all retarded'', makes you yourself an idiot.
And I DIDN'T buy Blood Dragon, but I've seen playthroughs of it and I actually fucking understood most of the references and enjoyed it, even though I was born at the time when everything went on. But I've seen old retro movies and played retro games, soo yeah it's just you being uncultured in the gaming/movie culture.
P.S: I bet you pirated the game considering your age can't be too high cause of your obliviousness of the fact that it's an nostalgia trip speaks for itself.
***** You must not like the 80's
If you are a first time "player" on a Metal Gear Solid game, then you have no right to review this game and I don't give a shit how big you are on RUclips. You have no idea how incredible this game series and even the hour long gameplay that was Ground Zeros was more than enough for a true Metal Gear fan. We all have incredibly high hope for the Phantom Pain. This game was the best £20 I ever spent and I'm not the only one who thinks that, so your idea of "how can anyone defend this game" goes straight out of the window
he said the game is good, calm down... and you think only mgs fans get to review this games? they would be all 10/10, same as saying only cod fans should review their franchise. he is trying to prevent people spending 30-40 usd in EVERY demo
kokalombia no, hes complaining that there isnt enough character development. (read my earlier comment) He is incapable of judging the story. he can only judge the gameplay because thats the only thing that a non mgs fan can talk about because he has NO knowledge of the story. he doesnt know who cipher is, he doesnt know who the patriots are, ect. Also people are crying about spending $30 on a game while they spend $20 buying Joe's tshirt while spending $5 on a cup of coffee. Hypocrisy at its finest. btw i dont own gz
kokalombia How can you review a prequel to a game which has a massive backstory, without playing the others. I'm not the only one who thinks this review is a complete waste of time, keep scrolling through the comment section and see what everyone else has to say. My argument is, how can one of the biggest RUclipsrs, criticise a game without playing any of the games in it's series. My guess is, he's just fishing for views on this video. Kojima even came out and said it was short, so why everyone is complaining about it being too short is beyond me. It's not as if we didn't get a warning, and we were forced to buy the game. Don't want to spend money on it, don't buy it. Simple as!
that's exactly what he is saying... you guys are fishing for 10's .... think about it as this... killzone shadowfall got reviewed by him, it has great graphics, boring 10 campaign, and multiplayer, and it got a 6/10 being an easily 15 hrs or so time waster. he is saying a 1 to 2 hours game is almost as good. meaning then, that if this game was twice the content or half the price it would have been an easy 9.5 to 10
Matches Malone i'm a mgs fan , i played almost every mgs ,, and ground zeros is a rip off , it has nothing to do with the gameplay ,, just lack of content , and since am a fan its even worse , its like who i trust slapped me in the face , one more thing , dont act like its your own game cause your a so called "mgs fan" , let others have their say , they might as wl one day become mgs fans !!
Now let's see the prices.
$20 For Ground Zeroes and
$40 for Phantom Pain
I know these used to be higher but as it stands currently if you buy them both it's the price of a new game at release.
I still agree that $20 is a lot for a prologue but at least now if you pick them both up it's the price of a new release.
shadow gamer514 I'm not saying Ground Zeroes isn't bullshit.
shadow gamer514 xD Have you finished The Phantom Pain yet? I finished it it 53 hours and now I have 62 :P
I just got the phantom pain for 20 on the ps store
shadow gamer514 Ikr
Battleboy43 I got it free with psn a while back
Biggest MGS fanboy, been playing since the PS1, and I totally agree with you man. I was expecting something short, but this was ridiculous. If I hadn't paid for half of it was Gamestop rewards, I'd be livid.
I haven't played any MGS games but the trailer for this one got met so hyped, it looked amazing. Sucks when shit is a dissapointment like this.
First, Jared and now Joe. I used to have my doubts if I should buy this or pass it and wait for MGSV. My mind is set, I won't support this cheap cash-grab from Konami! If MGS2 was released this year, the Tanker Level would be it's own "game"
And over here in Argentina, this game is at fucking 500 pesos! 500!!!
Same here, and i just went "Fuck it" and saw the ending to see what was the fuss about the controversial ending was about.
TBH it was pretty dark and kinda disgusting. But not worth the price.
***** that is damn near criminal!
It is T-T
I'm sure MGSV will come with Ground Zeroes as a bundle or Cheaper DLC. Every hardcore MGS Fan like me must wait. Be patient and do not support this cashbrag from Konami and Kojima!
Micro transactions and battle passes aside I’m glad we didn’t get this stuff in games going forward like selling a prologue as standalone.
ive been a a fan of the series for a long time and i just wanted to say not all of us are like that, i know you didnt say that all of us are like that but i wanted to point it out, i thought ground zeroes was fucking awesome but i was really fucking mad and felt betrayed when i found out it was only part of the game. im still going to get the phanptom pain because i love the series, it was frustrating knowing that ground seroes was only a demo and was selling for that much.
Ehh, i remember this angry interview, the game was good tho, but too bad it was only a prologue.
Glad to hear that you are a fan of the series that think straight.
welon17
oh yeah, gray fox is freakin awesome but raiden (mgs4) is way better that fight with vamp was fucking awesome
InvisibleAbe Tube
thanks
Taylor Rouch Yeah MGS4 it's not my favorite, but that Shadow Mosses Island episode was freaking epic!
I also liked the first episode in the midle east, I loved each part!