I traveled 7 weeks in Europe in the summer of 1982 with my best friend. 20 countries in total. I was 25 and he was 22. But a week after we got back his mom called and said he had died of an aortic aneurysm. It floored me... but at least he had that.
That's terrible, and I doubt any of that could have been foreseen. You both experienced it, and it was a great moment in a lifetime. I do have a question, though. To make such a trip, didn't you both have to be kind of skilled on motorcycles? And didn't it cost WAY more than $52 to get to Europe with your motorcycles, and pay for traveling and living expenses? What I'm getting at is the impossibility of this "trip" on the movie. Neither had motorcycles, or even could ride one as far as we know. And with $52 saved up, I doubt that would have covered all of the traveling and living expenses required to make that trip. Could you roughly tell us how you both had to be prepared to make it a reality? It doesn't have to be personal. Congratulations on your trip, and condolences for the loss of your friend.
People are missing the point of the trip , reality is there wasn’t going to be a trip , rocky knew he was dying and the trip was something to be excited about to keep him alive longer , he would not made it to the trip or through it
Yeah but you have to remember he had all these Doctors telling him he wouldn't live past a certain age . But he kept proving them wrong by outliving these doctors predictions on when he would die . So he may have thought he was going to live long enough to make that trip .
our hopes and dreams keep us alive longer when we have something to look forward to... the trip being canceled and his girlfriends parents taking her away ended his hope and thats why he died... very sad
Yes, I think so. And to think Ben had sold him out ALL THAT TIME, simply because he couldn’t bring himself to tell Rocky(and thus disappoint him BIG TIME, like he’s doing RIGHT NOW!)
@@MrJamieMurph4141969 Yep. It's always MUCH better to let someone know you can't (or won't) do something at the beginning, than having the discomfort and pain (for all parties involved) of having to come clean and tell them after a period of time. Some people are too unassertive or passive-aggresive to do that though, I guess.
Now how were they going to go to Europe on $52? Neither of them had motorcycles, and as far as we know couldn't even ride them. Ben was obviously hurting, and now had a chance to go make money. Rocky could have been more understanding and wished him the best, but instead of that went on a tirade tantrum and insulting Ben. Give Ben props for not reminding Rocky how impossible that trip was and not telling him what a freakazoid he looked like. 🙄 Rocky showed what a manipulative control freak jerk he was. If Ben's being around made the difference between life and death for Rocky, then he should be thanked for staying so Rocky could finish his senior year. It was Rocky who was NOT the true friend.
@@EphemeralProductions Really? Rocky was a manipulative control freak. Look how he reacted. Ben was having problems himself, and instead of wishing him well he went on that tirade tantrum insulting Ben. Not cool at all, and it was Rocky who wasn't a friend.
@@texasrockshillcountry6574 For a lot of people, hope is the ONLY thing keeping them going even if that hope is a total long shot. Taking that cool trip through Europe, dating that perfect blind girl. That was all Rocky had. It can ruin someone if you pull them out of that fantasy before they are ready to face the truth for themselves and move on. It's why advice should never be offered unless asked. Even then, you need to be careful.
This scene always got me, because you can see Rocky’s heartbreak, and his will to live slowly go after this. And for Ben, because you can see when he walks out he knows it the end of their friendship, and it breaks his heart too. Rusty with her sadness for their friendship ending, but her telling him to just go with her eyes to leave it be. Every part of this scene was just brilliantly laid out and acted.
Rocky's life was coming to an end. First Rocky lost contact with Diana, then Ben had to cancel the trip to Europe with Rocky. I think this was the film makers getting the audience prepared for Rock’s passing.
Me and a good friend were planning a trip to Europe to go see some Black Metal festivals. We had everything planned out. But unfortunately He killed himself. I miss him. He was a great person.
Why feel sorry for Ben he led rocky on he never wanted to go on the. trip rocky should have smacked him for being such a cream puff and playing with his emotions now rocky died shortly after that I bet he regrets this now for a lifetime screw that cry baby ben
When I see this seen in the movie I was under the impression that Rocky lost his will to live the trip to Europe was off. He didn’t have Diana in his life because of her parents. I think those were the two things he lived for he really wanted that trip.
I thought it was because his friend would be embarrassed to be seen with him traveling around Europe, but just didn't want to say it. That's that I got from this scene.
I mean obviously the movie dramatized parts like those that didn’t actually happen. Diana was a made up character. In truth the real Rocky as well as this one was dying already. Doctors initially pegged him to live no longer than 7 years old. He completely defied experts by living to 16.
We say a lot of things when we're young. Things like will be friends for ever , will always kick it , this and that. When we get older things change, some just move on in life , have a family , move away and you never hear from them again. It's just life .
I agree, I remember when me & my friends said we were going to move in together after highschool.. this was in 2016, fast forward to 2022 and we all aren't friends anymore. It's sad but people move on and life goes on
@@scturnn I hear you man , I'm still in touch with one of my best friends, 2 of my other close friends past away and the rest just moved away . I'll always have the good memories of the good times we had and never forget them 👍
Amen to that one,having no high school diploma is the MAIN handicap to getting a job,even your typical low paying job working at a fast food restaraunt(as an adult and a permanent employee with benefits and all,as everyone knows.)
MrJamieMurph4141969 yes Ben just couldn't handle anything so he gave up on everything I believe he won't get anywhere in life with that kind of attitude feel for rocky.😒
Mask, classic and great film about Rocky Dennis.... Rest in peace. I recommend Mask to anybody, good film and great performance from Cher and Eric Stoltz.
To ppl saying you could still do the trip. This was filmed in the 80's and happened in the 70's having grown up in both when a friend moves to a neighboring city that's a wrap. To another state. Forget it. You'll never see em again. Back then to CALL to a diff County was long distance and another state big $$$ and really all u could do is write but its about you're gonna meet new ppl and move on while never speaking. U guys will never know what its like to not have a phone in ur pocket that can give u legal advice or google those baseball cards and see what Walker was worth before u get conned. And that's why this scene can only be felt by US.
Rocky is staying in high school 9th grade.) Ben is talking about getting a job. Rocky is staying in childhood, Ben is growing up. Once Ben starts work, taking of months for a trip won't ever happen. Rocky knows he will only beat the odds for so long. Most people with his condition never make it into pubert, let alone reach adulthood. He is not angry about the trip. He is angry that his friend gets to grow up, and he won't. He just can't put that into words.
@@karencostanzo2906 I never thought of it that way. Youre dead on. I was about to say it myself then I read where u say rocky knew he was dying. Rocky was smarter than all others combined.
That was mostly Rocky's doing. The trip was a "pie in the sky" - impossible to happen. Ben had to go on with his life. Rocky could have understood and wished him the best and go on a different plan. But instead of that he goes on a tirade tantrum insulting Ben and calling him names. So in reality, Rocky wasn't a true friend either. Give props to Ben for maintaining his cool after Rocky was calling him "stupid", and didn't remind Rocky what an impossibility the dream was and what a freakazoid he looked like.
Why should he feel like shit? He didn't kill him. Ben had his own problems, and had to go on with his life. Rocky could have wished him the best, but instead of that he goes of on a tirade tantrum and insulted Ben. Rocky showed he was a manipulative control freak, and Rocky was the one who was not a true friend. If it's true that Ben staying around was a matter of life and death, then he should be thanked for hanging around an extra year so Rocky could graduate.
@@wangotango5447, Rocky died because his heart was broken. First with the girl and then with Ben leaving. If you notice before all that happens he seemed healthy even despite his ailments. That is because he had things to look forward to and it kept him going. After everything with the girl and Ben you can see he looked much sicker. And he died after that. So it was kinda like he felt he had nothing else to look forward to and he was hurt by how he was treated by that girl's family and the World in general and his body gave out. Chance are that if the trip had still been on then he would have probably lived a little longer.
I wouldn't say Ben is stupid, he's selfish, then again aren't we all? At the end of the day Ben had his own goals in life, and going to Europe wasn't one of them. You can tell he hated to disappoint Rocky and knew he would be upset with him, and he tried his best to reason with him. Rocky had every reason to be upset, but overreacted and failed to see Ben's point of view. The look on Rusty's (Rocky's mother) face is her basically saying, "Yeah, Ben. It's best you just leave. You got what you wanted."
my dad had a "best friend" who he was gonna join the marines with ... dad went .. washed out within a couple weeks .. friend never even bothered too show up to the recruiter .. i think hearing stories like that made me never wanna plan shit with friends ..
It is also a great point made in the fact that when your young, your friendships aren't really real! Your going through so many changes, that you just want company to fit in with someone it's not real.its to bad really because when you get older,"That is when you learn, that most people, really only care about themselves"
He said he had been thinking about it for a while, but sounds like he needed to be sure. He was at least a man enough to appear in person. He could have just left him a note, or nothing at all. I believe Rocky was being a control freak jerk. He could have just told Ben that he was sorry he couldn't make it, and wished him the best. But instead of that he goes on this tirade tantrum and insulting Ben. Not cool at all. So in truth, Rocky was the one who wasn't a true friend.
I'm 52 and SILL waiting on my "best friend " to go backpacking around Europe from the UK ... working in vineyards etc. For bed and Food and maybe even some to put aside for "essentials" I have lost the exact itinerary for I got sick of carrying it around...just like the illusion it might happen.....
i think Ben was Shocked how Rocky responded to the new his eyes like saying why you doing this. i mean ben apologized when rocky told him he talk ed trip too. thennon way out look at rocky as say i am sorry
Really? He explained that he was having difficulty staying where he was, but now had the opportunity to live with his Father and make money. Rocky could have shown some consideration for Ben's well being, but instead of that he goes on this tirade tantrum deeply insulting Ben. That impossible trip was pie in the sky anyway. Rocky could have made adjustments and other plans. This scene reveals what a manipulative and clingy control freak Rocky really was, and that Rocky was a selfish "friend". If Ben going away was what really caused Rocky's death, than he should be thanked for hanging around so Rocky could finish his senior year.
@@texasrockshillcountry6574 They both had a point, Ben was his only friend and Rocky probably knew he wouldnt be alive for too long. I felt bad for both
I felt bad for both of these kids😂 I get how Rocky felt, he was a little rough with the words, but sure understand how he felt. Being called dumb or stupid isn't fun, but being call can sometimes help you to get smarter.
Not only this but shortly after he tries to call the girlfriend AGAIN and can't get through.. so goes to see her only to break up or to find out she's moving away for her career. just sad. to say life's unfair is the biggest understatement I've ever heard of. It can be so cruel!
Boy can I relate. Had a friend who pulled the same crap on a trip we planned after graduating college. You can imagine how I felt. We aren't totally estranged from each other but we haven't had a real conversation in about 25 years. It taught me something of a lesson though and as a result the only trips I've taken with people who aren't immediate family members are relatively short, uncomplicated two or three-night jaunts a few hours' drive away.
@@Guamparrapo83 I didn't want to speak to him, and haven't had much of a real conversation with him since then. We are connected on Facebook now though, that's about it. It's fine though, it was a long time ago, I moved on with my life, it's just that this particular scene brought memories of it flooding back. But I learned from it and know what to expect from people in general, even if they are close friends.
@@derby2510 30 bucks an hour? And Ben is just a Teenager dayum.....he is set for life....Rocky shouldn't have been so mean to Ben....that could Be Ben only shot at success
Personally I always felt Ben was a false friend. Three things he did wrong which proves that he was never a true friend to Rocky. He didn't stick up for Rocky in the carnival scene, he threw Rocky under the bus saying that he was the only one that talked about the trip in a passive-aggressive and resentful way, and lastly could have come up with a way to preserve their friendship, stay in touch, help plan ways for Rocky to see him or vice versa, and lastly, they could have easily still got on the trip, but because Ben didn't put any effort into their friendship at all, he's garbage.
Instead of blaming it all on Ben, try to see it from his perspective. Ben is the scapegoat here for a dream that was an impossibility. To get to Europe? 5 digits at least. Who amongst them has that kind of money? And how about the motorcycles, where are they? I don't believe either one has a motorcycle license in the U.S. - let alone Europe. No way this dream would have ever happened. The way it was. Ben had to get on with his life, and he tried to be as human as possible. Rocky was a out of line there.
This scenes hit me hard cause I suffered from mental health issues as a kid and my teen years and seeing this reminds me how heartbreaking when best friends can't keep promises and stay loyal and they just walk away for no reason
In high school my best friend and I were together nonstop she picked me up in the mornings, we went to lunch, we had chorus together, she drove me home after school, well mostly I went to her house. Of course we hung out most evenings. Then she graduated and we lost touch I was so depressed.
This scene reminds me of a control freak friend I used to have that desperately wanted me to go to a theme park with him, I would ask him to give me the date and I'll request timeoff from work, he refused to give me the date and wants me to just get someone to cover for me, I flat out refused because I don't like calling in that I can't make it more than I have to, then I told him that I don't want to go to a theme park with him because I'm tired of him playing games with me, he unfortunately took it the wrong way and felt like I wasn't being a good friend for him, I didn't understand why he was so desperate for me to go to a theme park with him a couple other friends (who I've never met). Once I found a better friend I completely stopped hanging out with him, the other friend helped me get my self confidence back.
EXACTLY!! People are all calling Ben a "bad friend" when Rocky was the one being a control freak. So Ben couldn't go - on this impossible trip. Rocky could have made other plans but proceeded to insult him. Not a friend at all. I too had a manipulative friend. I had a Friday night off and wanted to go to a football game with my Dad and Brother to watch my youngest Brother play football. My manipulative "friend" wanted me to go hang out with them. I explained that I had plans and he went on an immature tirade tantrum much like Rocky's. I went to the game anyway, and glad I did. My Brother was tragically killed in an accident a year later. When the times came in the future from there to hang out with my "friend", I refused and continued to do so until it was understood that our "friendship" was over. Good riddance.
This really broke Rocky like things may break us, and he gave up on everything, including living.. Rocky had a lot of tough people around him plus the unconditional love from his mom and he looked over that and the fact that he was sick. When you have God ahead of your life things don't won't hurt as bad because he will show you one time that he will turn things around and he understands when we feel down and out but it doesn't please him when we stay down because he is the Truth and keeps his promises.. This was a really Good movie and if you have recently went through this cheer up things will get better Mask..God bless you Cher❤
True. He took a lot of undeserved crap here. That ride was an impossibility, and Ben had to get on with his life. He was as human as possible given the situation.
Yes, everyone says what a "bad friend" Ben was, but if you look at it objectively it was Rocky who was the horrible "friend". Ben couldn't go? Make other plans and wish him the best instead of going on that tirade tantrum. Not cool. If it's even true that Ben's "betrayal" was what led to Rocky's death, then he should be thanked for hanging around so Rocky could finish his senior year. That was too control freak and clingy of Rocky, and he was not a real friend.
Funnily enough that same actor who played Ben did a movie 3 years before this one where he was madly in love with a woman until he saw her kissing another guy which really really broke his heart and he was tearing up profusely till the movie ended
That was all Rocky's doing. Ben had to get on with his life, and was unable to carry on with that impossible trip. That's just life. Rocky could have been more understanding, and wished him the best. But instead of that he goes on that tirade tantrum revealing what a control freak he was. So Rocky was a horrible "friend".
I disagree.aybe Ben or Rocky's Mom didn't really take it seriously but Rocky did. Life expectancy is an estimation and that kid fought damn hard to live, even through the pain and loss of sleep! He was beautiful to everyone and brought beauty to the earth while he was alive. He deserved it being a reality as well as the respect anyone else would have and have received. I can relate to this scene many times in lifebin regards to people's word meaning absolutely nothing but a waste of valuable time as well as manipulation. When you say something you should intend to follow through exactly as you said you would, period. No one is guaranteed life tomorrow and we all have a life expectancy. Life is to short to invest energy and loyalty on folks that don't even intend to follow through on their word from the get go. On my opinion this is one of the greatest deficiencies in the world today and from actual experience of observation has forced folks to not trust in others. Also to be more solitary.
I was thinking of something else when rocky passed on I don’t think Ben ever came back to his funeral what a horrible friend Ben is could have worked it out with his mom and save his friendship with rocky he didn’t deserve this he was sick and could have passed away at anytime.
Rocky (movie version) really did plan on going on that trip... The trip wasn't a tool to keep his hopes up or something to live for. I actually read the film script years ago. But all you really need is common sense..
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I traveled 7 weeks in Europe in the summer of 1982 with my best friend. 20 countries in total. I was 25 and he was 22. But a week after we got back his mom called and said he had died of an aortic aneurysm. It floored me... but at least he had that.
Shit, man...
You had that, too. Even more, you both had a best friend to share it with. Sorry to hear about your loss.
That's terrible, and I doubt any of that could have been foreseen. You both experienced it, and it was a great moment in a lifetime.
I do have a question, though. To make such a trip, didn't you both have to be kind of skilled on motorcycles? And didn't it cost WAY more than $52 to get to Europe with your motorcycles, and pay for traveling and living expenses?
What I'm getting at is the impossibility of this "trip" on the movie. Neither had motorcycles, or even could ride one as far as we know. And with $52 saved up, I doubt that would have covered all of the traveling and living expenses required to make that trip. Could you roughly tell us how you both had to be prepared to make it a reality? It doesn't have to be personal.
Congratulations on your trip, and condolences for the loss of your friend.
Awww hugs
Probably the happiest time of his life. My condolences John.
People are missing the point of the trip , reality is there wasn’t going to be a trip , rocky knew he was dying and the trip was something to be excited about to keep him alive longer , he would not made it to the trip or through it
Thank you for the explanation.
I haven't seen the movie only clips, thanks for the comment, I'm gonna find this movie its so good so far
Yeah but you have to remember he had all these Doctors telling him he wouldn't live past a certain age . But he kept proving them wrong by outliving these doctors predictions on when he would die . So he may have thought he was going to live long enough to make that trip .
our hopes and dreams keep us alive longer when we have something to look forward to... the trip being canceled and his girlfriends parents taking her away ended his hope and thats why he died... very sad
@Sean - Very insightful comment. I hadn’t really thought of that angle. It’s absolutely true that dreams give people hope and keep them going.
Probably the most hurt he ever got. When that dream of riding Europe dried up, pretty much all the rest of his dreams appeared to, also
Yes, I think so. And to think Ben had sold him out ALL THAT TIME, simply because he couldn’t bring himself to tell Rocky(and thus disappoint him BIG TIME, like he’s doing RIGHT NOW!)
@@MrJamieMurph4141969 Yep. It's always MUCH better to let someone know you can't (or won't) do something at the beginning, than having the discomfort and pain (for all parties involved) of having to come clean and tell them after a period of time. Some people are too unassertive or passive-aggresive to do that though, I guess.
Now how were they going to go to Europe on $52? Neither of them had motorcycles, and as far as we know couldn't even ride them.
Ben was obviously hurting, and now had a chance to go make money. Rocky could have been more understanding and wished him the best, but instead of that went on a tirade tantrum and insulting Ben. Give Ben props for not reminding Rocky how impossible that trip was and not telling him what a freakazoid he looked like. 🙄 Rocky showed what a manipulative control freak jerk he was.
If Ben's being around made the difference between life and death for Rocky, then he should be thanked for staying so Rocky could finish his senior year. It was Rocky who was NOT the true friend.
@@EphemeralProductions Really? Rocky was a manipulative control freak. Look how he reacted. Ben was having problems himself, and instead of wishing him well he went on that tirade tantrum insulting Ben. Not cool at all, and it was Rocky who wasn't a friend.
@@texasrockshillcountry6574 For a lot of people, hope is the ONLY thing keeping them going even if that hope is a total long shot. Taking that cool trip through Europe, dating that perfect blind girl. That was all Rocky had. It can ruin someone if you pull them out of that fantasy before they are ready to face the truth for themselves and move on. It's why advice should never be offered unless asked. Even then, you need to be careful.
This scene always got me, because you can see Rocky’s heartbreak, and his will to live slowly go after this.
And for Ben, because you can see when he walks out he knows it the end of their friendship, and it breaks his heart too.
Rusty with her sadness for their friendship ending, but her telling him to just go with her eyes to leave it be.
Every part of this scene was just brilliantly laid out and acted.
I love that show. Everytime that on I wacht it.
Rocky's life was coming to an end. First Rocky lost contact with Diana, then Ben had to cancel the trip to Europe with Rocky. I think this was the film makers getting the audience prepared for Rock’s passing.
Yep. Powerful movie. I remember my
Mom taking us to see it in the theater and she was bawling her eyes out after it ended
Very true
$7.50 an hour was actually really good for that time
@TheGonzoArt I'm in Australia and saying it was good for that time lol seriously
@@davemustaki134 Minimum wage in Australia was $2.91/hr at the time.
@@kemolowlow yeah....
Yes it is
Now days you need eight dollars. 😮
Superb acting in one of the best movies ever
Me and a good friend were planning a trip to Europe to go see some Black Metal festivals. We had everything planned out. But unfortunately He killed himself. I miss him. He was a great person.
Damn... Im so sorry about your friend, man!! 😧
7.50 an hour back in the 1980's shit that was good money
Crazy because that’s minimum wage now
M. L Where in P.A?
@@annissabarclay4976 no, IN. It’s actually 7.25 I realized
I hope he means $750 which is niicceee
In Michigan, back then……Ben probably could have a house paid off in 3 years if he saved his paychecks
I feel bad for both of them.
Same here,you can see the tears forming in Ben's eyes after Rocky orders him out.
veronicamamiful I to do mostly for rocky could have been honest in the beginning plus rocky can pass on at anytime life is short.☹️
Agreed. Why drop out of school, when kids in 3rd world countries have to fight to get into school? Sometimes we take education for granted.
Why feel sorry for Ben he led rocky on he never wanted to go on the. trip rocky should have smacked him for being such a cream puff and playing with his emotions now rocky died shortly after that I bet he regrets this now for a lifetime screw that cry baby ben
@@MrJamieMurph4141969 I hear where you are coming from.
When I see this seen in the movie I was under the impression that Rocky lost his will to live the trip to Europe was off. He didn’t have Diana in his life because of her parents. I think those were the two things he lived for he really wanted that trip.
I thought it was because his friend would be embarrassed to be seen with him traveling around Europe, but just didn't want to say it. That's that I got from this scene.
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Brian Vetter I just realized my mistake thank you!!!!!
I mean obviously the movie dramatized parts like those that didn’t actually happen. Diana was a made up character. In truth the real Rocky as well as this one was dying already. Doctors initially pegged him to live no longer than 7 years old. He completely defied experts by living to 16.
We say a lot of things when we're young. Things like will be friends for ever , will always kick it , this and that. When we get older things change, some just move on in life , have a family , move away and you never hear from them again. It's just life .
I agree, I remember when me & my friends said we were going to move in together after highschool.. this was in 2016, fast forward to 2022 and we all aren't friends anymore. It's sad but people move on and life goes on
@@scturnn I hear you man , I'm still in touch with one of my best friends, 2 of my other close friends past away and the rest just moved away . I'll always have the good memories of the good times we had and never forget them 👍
Priorities change among friends. It's part of growing up.
True, but still sad.
Adults act like this too these days. They slowly dump friends with an excuse.
This is a very sad film and truly hits the heart of reality.😢😟😢
My Gawd Cher was beautiful.
She still is lol
Shes a plain Jane
@@calumafc2702 I disagree
She still is beautiful!
Always beautiful inside n out. Met her n she’s down to earth n very friendly
Absolutely wonderful film and performances.
I believe Ben should have told him in the beginning it would save lots of time and effort sad Ben threw there friendship away.☹️
I agree with you on that one. Besides, dropping out of school is very unwise.
Amen to that one,having no high school diploma is the MAIN handicap to getting a job,even your typical low paying job working at a fast food restaraunt(as an adult and a permanent employee with benefits and all,as everyone knows.)
Desiree C. Exactly Desiree dropping out on Bens part wasn't a wise choice I believe he was being selfish he could have made better choices.
MrJamieMurph4141969 yes Ben just couldn't handle anything so he gave up on everything I believe he won't get anywhere in life with that kind of attitude feel for rocky.😒
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Mask, classic and great film about Rocky Dennis.... Rest in peace. I recommend Mask to anybody, good film and great performance from Cher and Eric Stoltz.
This is sad because his best friend is leaving and deep down inside he knows his time is running out and there isn’t going to be another chance.
To ppl saying you could still do the trip. This was filmed in the 80's and happened in the 70's having grown up in both when a friend moves to a neighboring city that's a wrap. To another state. Forget it. You'll never see em again. Back then to CALL to a diff County was long distance and another state big $$$ and really all u could do is write but its about you're gonna meet new ppl and move on while never speaking. U guys will never know what its like to not have a phone in ur pocket that can give u legal advice or google those baseball cards and see what Walker was worth before u get conned. And that's why this scene can only be felt by US.
Rocky is staying in high school 9th grade.) Ben is talking about getting a job. Rocky is staying in childhood, Ben is growing up. Once Ben starts work, taking of months for a trip won't ever happen. Rocky knows he will only beat the odds for so long. Most people with his condition never make it into pubert, let alone reach adulthood. He is not angry about the trip. He is angry that his friend gets to grow up, and he won't. He just can't put that into words.
You deffently ain't lying about that I lost plenty of friends cuase of that
@@karencostanzo2906 I never thought of it that way. Youre dead on. I was about to say it myself then I read where u say rocky knew he was dying. Rocky was smarter than all others combined.
Powerful and true.
Word
I feel like the pinnacle of the film is the graduation scene and that summer where he meets Diana. After this, his life all starts to fall apart.
Yeah. I think he began loosing his Will to live after that. I believe hope is what kept him alive this long.
Amen to all that.
poor rocky lost his only true friend he was hurt too much by it
That was mostly Rocky's doing. The trip was a "pie in the sky" - impossible to happen. Ben had to go on with his life. Rocky could have understood and wished him the best and go on a different plan. But instead of that he goes on a tirade tantrum insulting Ben and calling him names. So in reality, Rocky wasn't a true friend either. Give props to Ben for maintaining his cool after Rocky was calling him "stupid", and didn't remind Rocky what an impossibility the dream was and what a freakazoid he looked like.
@@texasrockshillcountry6574 no it wasnt he can still go just not with ben
One of my all time favorite films
Now this scene was a real tearjerker
You can't always depend on one person who keeps their promises about a trip.
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I wonder how they were ever going to get the money - and motorcycles - to make that trip. 52 dollars wasn't going to do it.
The power of the mid 80’s movie scene
Imagine how shit he felt when he got the news that Rocky died.
Probably happy as shit, he was terrified at the end he was gonna eat him.
Yeah especially the way the last time they saw each other. Sad
I would imagine he was hurt.
Why should he feel like shit? He didn't kill him. Ben had his own problems, and had to go on with his life. Rocky could have wished him the best, but instead of that he goes of on a tirade tantrum and insulted Ben. Rocky showed he was a manipulative control freak, and Rocky was the one who was not a true friend.
If it's true that Ben staying around was a matter of life and death, then he should be thanked for hanging around an extra year so Rocky could graduate.
One of the most amazing films ever made, if you have not seen it I strongly suggest doing so - RIP Rocky. ❤️
I love this movie
@80's guy agreed
I've been addicted to it ever since I've seen it
Wait did he die in the movie? Bc if so then u jus spoiled it
@@clarkyboii6333 Yes
Him moving away doesn't mean they can't go on a trip one day.
Tickle my Pickle They cant go on a trip because rocky dies in like a month from then.
@@wangotango5447, Rocky died because his heart was broken. First with the girl and then with Ben leaving. If you notice before all that happens he seemed healthy even despite his ailments. That is because he had things to look forward to and it kept him going. After everything with the girl and Ben you can see he looked much sicker. And he died after that. So it was kinda like he felt he had nothing else to look forward to and he was hurt by how he was treated by that girl's family and the World in general and his body gave out. Chance are that if the trip had still been on then he would have probably lived a little longer.
@@blaqwhole4998 It is sort of like what mickey said to rocky balboa about your body dying when it no longer has nothing to live for.
@@miyagikai617 this is true no matter what your condition
@@wangotango5447 I know that. I meant at the time when he was alive and he saying they won't ever go.
I'm wondering if all these stresses killed him quicker or any possibility he could've made it 🤔
It did!💔
He died of heartbreak😢
I wouldn't say Ben is stupid, he's selfish, then again aren't we all? At the end of the day Ben had his own goals in life, and going to Europe wasn't one of them. You can tell he hated to disappoint Rocky and knew he would be upset with him, and he tried his best to reason with him. Rocky had every reason to be upset, but overreacted and failed to see Ben's point of view.
The look on Rusty's (Rocky's mother) face is her basically saying, "Yeah, Ben. It's best you just leave. You got what you wanted."
my dad had a "best friend" who he was gonna join the marines with ... dad went .. washed out within a couple weeks .. friend never even bothered too show up to the recruiter .. i think hearing stories like that made me never wanna plan shit with friends ..
It is also a great point made in the fact that when your young, your friendships aren't really real! Your going through so many changes, that you just want company to fit in with someone it's not real.its to bad really because when you get older,"That is when you learn, that most people, really only care about themselves"
It's not really either ones fault. Maybe Ben should have gotten the word out sooner though.
Yes, it obviously was very difficult for him.
From how he tells it, it sounds like it just happened m
He said he had been thinking about it for a while, but sounds like he needed to be sure. He was at least a man enough to appear in person. He could have just left him a note, or nothing at all. I believe Rocky was being a control freak jerk. He could have just told Ben that he was sorry he couldn't make it, and wished him the best. But instead of that he goes on this tirade tantrum and insulting Ben. Not cool at all. So in truth, Rocky was the one who wasn't a true friend.
I'm 52 and SILL waiting on my "best friend " to go backpacking around Europe from the UK ... working in vineyards etc. For bed and Food and maybe even some to put aside for "essentials" I have lost the exact itinerary for I got sick of carrying it around...just like the illusion it might happen.....
Not to mention when the blind girls( a beautiful young Laura Dern) parents brushed him off,I believe that crushed him too.
Yes, definitely.
Seems like the parents were unfair. But what would you do? I don't think I'd like rocky around my daughter either.
Go back to Friday the 13th the Final Chapter Ben! Jason is waiting for you.
Yes Ben Sucks hes so stupid Rocky conned him out of Rube Walker your so stupid Ben.
He's too busy being the Last American Virgin
haha watching old stag porn getting stoned with teddy
Ben was killed camping
I’m about to move to Michigan,but we’re gonna make the trip as well...
I'm sure ben could've came and visited once in a while.
true he may mention that or aaky Rocky come vist him sometimes but rocky blew up at him
i think Ben was Shocked how Rocky responded to the new his eyes like saying why you doing this. i mean ben apologized when rocky told him he talk ed trip too. thennon way out look at rocky as say i am sorry
Thats Karma on Rocky for conning Ben for Rube Walker ..
That damned Ben!
Really? He explained that he was having difficulty staying where he was, but now had the opportunity to live with his Father and make money. Rocky could have shown some consideration for Ben's well being, but instead of that he goes on this tirade tantrum deeply insulting Ben. That impossible trip was pie in the sky anyway. Rocky could have made adjustments and other plans. This scene reveals what a manipulative and clingy control freak Rocky really was, and that Rocky was a selfish "friend".
If Ben going away was what really caused Rocky's death, than he should be thanked for hanging around so Rocky could finish his senior year.
@@texasrockshillcountry6574 They both had a point, Ben was his only friend and Rocky probably knew he wouldnt be alive for too long. I felt bad for both
The mum is vintage hot.
Oh, the europe thing. Bad luck Rock.
I felt bad for both of these kids😂
I get how Rocky felt, he was a little rough with the words, but sure understand how he felt. Being called dumb or stupid isn't fun, but being call can sometimes help you to get smarter.
Not only this but shortly after he tries to call the girlfriend AGAIN and can't get through.. so goes to see her only to break up or to find out she's moving away for her career. just sad. to say life's unfair is the biggest understatement I've ever heard of. It can be so cruel!
the other actor played the lead in "The Last American Virgin"- 1982
That's my movie she did him wrong
I'm familiar with both movies I was born in the mid-80s
And Friday the 13th part 4 the final chapter
I don't know when he looks sadder, the end if this scene or LAV.. it's a tie!
Boy can I relate. Had a friend who pulled the same crap on a trip we planned after graduating college. You can imagine how I felt. We aren't totally estranged from each other but we haven't had a real conversation in about 25 years. It taught me something of a lesson though and as a result the only trips I've taken with people who aren't immediate family members are relatively short, uncomplicated two or three-night jaunts a few hours' drive away.
Was your reaction similar to Rocky's?
@@Guamparrapo83 Well, kind of. I was really pissed off, especially since he proposed the trip in the first place. I didn't call him stupid though.
@@caj1119 He proposed it? That sucks man. I'm sorry for you. Was it you who didn't want to talk to him again?
@@Guamparrapo83 I didn't want to speak to him, and haven't had much of a real conversation with him since then. We are connected on Facebook now though, that's about it. It's fine though, it was a long time ago, I moved on with my life, it's just that this particular scene brought memories of it flooding back. But I learned from it and know what to expect from people in general, even if they are close friends.
@@caj1119 I see. Good for you
7.50 an hour????? In 1985....Dayum ben was basically clearing the equivalent of 19 an hoir
If you go by the actual time Rocky Dennis died, 1978, it would have been more like 30 bucks an hour.
@@derby2510 I mean couldn't he have gone to Europe and started the job after he returned?
@@derby2510 30 bucks an hour? And Ben is just a Teenager dayum.....he is set for life....Rocky shouldn't have been so mean to Ben....that could Be Ben only shot at success
Ben is the last American virgin
Yep😎 Gary and his pizza delivery truck!
Yes that was another good movie
Always felt so sorry for Ben. He really loved Rocky
Personally I always felt Ben was a false friend. Three things he did wrong which proves that he was never a true friend to Rocky. He didn't stick up for Rocky in the carnival scene, he threw Rocky under the bus saying that he was the only one that talked about the trip in a passive-aggressive and resentful way, and lastly could have come up with a way to preserve their friendship, stay in touch, help plan ways for Rocky to see him or vice versa, and lastly, they could have easily still got on the trip, but because Ben didn't put any effort into their friendship at all, he's garbage.
@@Terminatorfan-2016 rocky was also mean to him back he conned him out of a rube walker
@@Terminatorfan-2016yea I agree and I also understand Ben not being happy needed to move but could of still went on trip
Instead of blaming it all on Ben, try to see it from his perspective.
Ben is the scapegoat here for a dream that was an impossibility. To get to Europe? 5 digits at least. Who amongst them has that kind of money? And how about the motorcycles, where are they? I don't believe either one has a motorcycle license in the U.S. - let alone Europe.
No way this dream would have ever happened. The way it was. Ben had to get on with his life, and he tried to be as human as possible. Rocky was a out of line there.
Cher did so little in this scene, and yet, she was perfect
This scenes hit me hard cause I suffered from mental health issues as a kid and my teen years and seeing this reminds me how heartbreaking when best friends can't keep promises and stay loyal and they just walk away for no reason
this was one a good movie
In high school my best friend and I were together nonstop she picked me up in the mornings, we went to lunch, we had chorus together, she drove me home after school, well mostly I went to her house. Of course we hung out most evenings. Then she graduated and we lost touch I was so depressed.
Watching things like this makes me feel so guilty for feeling sorry for myself. There’s always someone dealt a worse hand than you.
It’s such a sad movie it almost makes me cry
it's a great movie but I always feel like garbage after watching it
Ben imagined all the pretty girls in Europe running away.
This scene reminds me of a control freak friend I used to have that desperately wanted me to go to a theme park with him, I would ask him to give me the date and I'll request timeoff from work, he refused to give me the date and wants me to just get someone to cover for me, I flat out refused because I don't like calling in that I can't make it more than I have to, then I told him that I don't want to go to a theme park with him because I'm tired of him playing games with me, he unfortunately took it the wrong way and felt like I wasn't being a good friend for him, I didn't understand why he was so desperate for me to go to a theme park with him a couple other friends (who I've never met).
Once I found a better friend I completely stopped hanging out with him, the other friend helped me get my self confidence back.
Yep
10-4
I'm a loner, have been all my life. I cannot stand having people try to rule my life.
EXACTLY!! People are all calling Ben a "bad friend" when Rocky was the one being a control freak. So Ben couldn't go - on this impossible trip. Rocky could have made other plans but proceeded to insult him. Not a friend at all.
I too had a manipulative friend. I had a Friday night off and wanted to go to a football game with my Dad and Brother to watch my youngest Brother play football. My manipulative "friend" wanted me to go hang out with them. I explained that I had plans and he went on an immature tirade tantrum much like Rocky's. I went to the game anyway, and glad I did. My Brother was tragically killed in an accident a year later.
When the times came in the future from there to hang out with my "friend", I refused and continued to do so until it was understood that our "friendship" was over. Good riddance.
Lmfaooo
Love how RUclips just randomly shows me a movie I forgot about lol
This really broke Rocky like things may break us, and he gave up on everything, including living.. Rocky had a lot of tough people around him plus the unconditional love from his mom and he looked over that and the fact that he was sick.
When you have God ahead of your life things don't won't hurt as bad because he will show you one time that he will turn things around and he understands when we feel down and out but it doesn't please him when we stay down because he is the Truth and keeps his promises..
This was a really Good movie and if you have recently went through this cheer up things will get better
Mask..God bless you Cher❤
We've all been there 😢
I felt so sorry for Ben here.
he was the last american virgin
True. He took a lot of undeserved crap here. That ride was an impossibility, and Ben had to get on with his life. He was as human as possible given the situation.
Yes, everyone says what a "bad friend" Ben was, but if you look at it objectively it was Rocky who was the horrible "friend". Ben couldn't go? Make other plans and wish him the best instead of going on that tirade tantrum. Not cool.
If it's even true that Ben's "betrayal" was what led to Rocky's death, then he should be thanked for hanging around so Rocky could finish his senior year. That was too control freak and clingy of Rocky, and he was not a real friend.
@@texasrockshillcountry6574 agreed he was going to go alone anyway
Funnily enough that same actor who played Ben did a movie 3 years before this one where he was madly in love with a woman until he saw her kissing another guy which really really broke his heart and he was tearing up profusely till the movie ended
Last American Virgin
Movie name?
@@hannahboucher4875 The last American virgin.
Watch the clip to the ending of that movie and you'll see exactly what I mean
Ben looks like the brother from jeepers creepers.
i always thought so too...he looks also a little native american
Ben should of got his little imaginary computer like he did in Friday the 13th pt 4 and told Rocky 52.00 barely would get you out of the state
Rip rocky
Poor kids. I feel bad for both of them.
It wasn't even about the trip, it was about Rocky losing his friend T_T
That was all Rocky's doing. Ben had to get on with his life, and was unable to carry on with that impossible trip. That's just life. Rocky could have been more understanding, and wished him the best. But instead of that he goes on that tirade tantrum revealing what a control freak he was. So Rocky was a horrible "friend".
@@texasrockshillcountry6574 yeah, Rocky was not an understanding person.
@@texasrockshillcountry6574 Rocky is a good friend with a kind heart and soul
@@karagdagangimpormasyon4736 Rocky was very understanding of his friend
Rocky was right. Ben was stupid. How do you let someone con you out of Rube Walker?
@@mike47734 damn straight
I know it wasn’t gonna happen but he still smashed Rocky’s dreams of going to Europe😭
I don’t blame him canceling at last moment is really messed up
He made him leave because he was The Last American Virgin
They're making $7.50 an hour in most states and this takes place in 1980.
I disagree.aybe Ben or Rocky's Mom didn't really take it seriously but Rocky did. Life expectancy is an estimation and that kid fought damn hard to live, even through the pain and loss of sleep! He was beautiful to everyone and brought beauty to the earth while he was alive. He deserved it being a reality as well as the respect anyone else would have and have received. I can relate to this scene many times in lifebin regards to people's word meaning absolutely nothing but a waste of valuable time as well as manipulation. When you say something you should intend to follow through exactly as you said you would, period.
No one is guaranteed life tomorrow and we all have a life expectancy. Life is to short to invest energy and loyalty on folks that don't even intend to follow through on their word from the get go.
On my opinion this is one of the greatest deficiencies in the world today and from actual experience of observation has forced folks to not trust in others. Also to be more solitary.
He talks like Michael Jackson a bit.
I never realized that.
I literally was thinking that.
Omg is true
1:49
All Ben had to say was that he was going to work his new job to pay for the trip....
Lawrence Monoson got to play two of the most heartbreaking sad moments in cinema history in this scene and the ending of The Last American Virgin.
Its a real tearjerker
Role reverse Rocky attacking Ben with his anger .
What rocky should have told ben is that if you dont stay here then “your a dead fuck”
Ugly ahh nigga. Looking like meg griffin with red hair
This was the turning point of the movie when bad events happened with more frequency.
FJB!
I was thinking of something else when rocky passed on I don’t think Ben ever came back to his funeral what a horrible friend Ben is could have worked it out with his mom and save his friendship with rocky he didn’t deserve this he was sick and could have passed away at anytime.
Maybe he didnt know he died
some people can't handle guilt
He was all the way in Michigan. When you're that young sometimes shit happens that's out of your control. It ain't that deep.
rocky can still go to Europe just not with ben
i dont know why he forgot, but he was going to go alone anyway
If I dug a hole every time a doctor told me he was going to die I'd be eating chop suey in china by now.
I saw this was a comment from a year ago. I hope you lived long enough to read THIS comment. Survival is important.
ben was A chump
Friday the 13th part 4
I would react the same if all I wanted as a dying wish was to travel to europe with my best friend
Looks like rocky was in love.
Sad Rocky lost his best friend..
So long, your face will stay with me forever.
Rocky was really hurt
Rocky (movie version) really did plan on going on that trip... The trip wasn't a tool to keep his hopes up or something to live for. I actually read the film script years ago. But all you really need is common sense..
Cher is a fox
Make a wish didn’t exist back then
He has so geeky voice
dudell be making 7.50 for the rest of his life lmao. raise that shit
You know that inflation exists and that in 1978, the year of Rocky's death, $7.50 was equivalent to nearly $36 in today's money? 🙄 Dummy
Let's see what Rube Walker thinks
Why is Rube Walker so important for him to say his stupid giving him that ealier
Where I can watch full movie of this film
Pay for a copy on Amazon
Eric stoltz best performance
Rocky should have said "WHY DID YOU LIE TO ME THIS ENTIRE TIME BEN!! REAL FRIENDS DONT LIE AND SPRING GARBAGE LIKE THIS AT THAT LAST MINUTE!"