the Evolution of Genesis
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- Опубликовано: 18 апр 2013
- This is my lecture on the origins of Biblical fables, presented for the Secular Student Alliance in the University of North Texas at Denton on 2013/04/11. I was running late. It was a crowded classroom, and there was no time or available outlets to set the camera up any better, but at least you should be able to hear what is being said.
the bible is so good at being unchanged that we have only 450 different versions translated into English alone. amazing.
yah
As an atheist, I regard Jan Hus, and Tyndale, as heroes for their translations of the Bible into the language of the common people. In Scotland, the Presbyterian religion encouraged schooling so that more ordinary people could read the stuff.
Eventually, the fact that so much of it is nonsense or even wicked violence becomes enough for an unbiased reader to reject the claims of the religion based upon it.
On the other hand, some of the more original sayings attributed to Jesus condemn the practices of the supposedly righteous, wealth-loving "Right Wing".
Satanic pagan people trying to desgrace the Hebrew Biblr when actually Lord presented himself nit to 1 person only but 3 millions to the same time...that what makes different from other pagan Religion..
@@albertrogers2506 Satanic pagan people trying to desgrace the Hebrew Biblr when actually Lord presented himself nit to 1 person only but 3 millions to the same time...that what makes different from other pagan Religion..
@@EssenesOrthopraxy are you high?
It's always interesting to learn more about the history of myths and religions.
It should be taught in schools to children.
Marc Duperron I agree
Marc Duperron I
+Marc Duperron:
Absolutely. I guess in the USA, you don't have that.
In Canada, in public schools, they teach us a bit from various religions in high school. They also teach us philosophy.
Back then, I thought it was a waste of time but now I see it is important to have an idea about all the religious and philosophical ideas out there.
Marc Duperron That won't happen because it would offend their religion. They want to continue worshipping a glorified narcissistic psychopath that tortures his own children.
No, it shouldn't. It's mostly useless unnecessary bullshit that no one needs to know. It certainly should be optional, and not mandatory, like RE is in non religious schools.
This is fantastic. I wish Christians would take the time to study what they think they believe rather than spouting-off cherry-picked, religious bigotry as it suits them.
You forgot to mention the part that has them get offended over getting corrected
Right. "How dare you question the word of God." Reminds of Even Stepvhen when Stephen Colbert says, "It's not my logic, it's God's logic as written in the Bible, every word of which is true, and we know that it's true because the Bible says the Bible is true, and if you remember from the beginning of this sentence, every word of the Bible is true."
Candice Bell argh! I know! When those lines are used I just leave the discussion as I have just learnt that the person possesses no rational whatsoever!
mbavalo capacity?
zemorph42 what about capacity?
I like the way that present day religions, seem to have *evolved* from much earlier ones, a kind of Theory of Religious Evolution.
Religious evolution is a fascinating barometer of human culture & understanding. It's like humanity's story.
Brian Takita it is human history. Isn't it always the victors that write it? Isn't that why Reason has "like" already won :)
We can observe it today.
Everything is/has been subject to evolution
jonathan mendes The memes that survive write history. The victors tend to survive, however it's not necessary to be "win" to write history.
I'm not sure what you mean about Reason "like" having won. It sounds clever ;-)
About 40,000 years ago Man created god,6,000 years ago he returned the favour.
Babji Karri thats funny 😄
I thought we were around for much longer
+conduit122:
"I thought we were around for much longer"
1. The human group (homo sapiens) have started about 6 million years ago.
2. Humans crossed into the middle east region about 70,000 years ago.
3. I don't know when humans started to talk and develop ideas like gods, but 40,000 years sounds like a reasonable number.
What do you say?
😭😂
elephystry that depends on what you see as human
If you mean the homo genus, than we started 7 million years ago
If you take the homo sapiens than it is 200,000 years ago
its amazing how 3 billion people believe this book to be divinely inspired despite its blatant plagiarism...
Any good story borrowers from other ideas, add or change a few details and you have a new story .
but we know those are fake so it doesn't matter. if this was really the oldest book ever written there wouldn't be *older* flood myths...
right👌
Well, those who believe divine things also tend to believe daemons or devils. They think daemons anticipated the future bible and created those similar stories in advance to prevent people from believing in Jesus. You may say that is crazy, but with magic, everything is possible.
But demons were also a creation of God, then how could god have not anticipated this attempt to sabotage Jesus and his bible by writing down cautions about this in his book? Unless God is not all-knowing or he intentionally want demons to make things confusing, but for what?
this man is a genius and swiftly becoming my one of the greatest truth tellers EVER... how does anyone get this great without being a man of amazing intelligence? please keep on teaching the truth Aran..
And so it was, when Aron had ended these sayings, that the people were astonished at His teaching, for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
Hear
I agree one 100 percent
Cathrine Gustavsson you agree one one hundred? hmmmmm
supeOgameing 1 lol If there was a single piece of evidence that disproved evolution, it would cease to be a theory. The evidence disproves creation at every examination.
Whatching this with my wife.
Her, "What got him into all this?"
Me, "Texas."
lol...
What's so good about dumb old Texas?
SpongeBob: "Hey, Patrick, what am I now?"
Patrick: "Uh... stupid?"
SpongeBob: "No, I'm Texas."
Patrick: "What's the difference?"
@@ZenKloom that pretty much sums it up.
The Christians in Texas are faithless hypocrite assholes. I deal with them daily.
Them: "I'm going to pray for you."
Me: "What! And fuck up god's plan? STFU please."
Or, "Matthew 17:20, move the mustard seed or STFU."
Another fascinating lecture by AronRa. These things are getting addictive.
Ikr
YAAAAS
_These things are getting addictive_
And withdrawal is always worth it.
@Gen. Lee Interested _Not feom a dearh of knowledge, it isn't_
Then it wouldn't be 'withdrawal.' Truth takes too much work, self-examination, open dialogue, and objective reflection for it to be an 'addiction.' Thus, one does not experience 'withdrawal' from knowledge, only, it seems, from self-delusion. and if you are to say that 'religion' (define that, would you, please?) is self-delusion, explain your reason(s) for saying so.
@Gen. Lee Interested _Truth is demonstable fact_
You mean like love, or math, or logic, or personal knowledge? None of those are demonstrable 'facts.'
No, you confuse 'true' with 'truth.' An object or event is true. Truth is in the mind.
"knew the secret name of the God"
Clearly she knew the admin username and password.
thus she edited her avatar properties and added superpowers.
Hahahaha:)
The study of the 4-Fold name is called the Tetragrammaton. It was used in Sorcery Rituals. Although the powers of god have been greatly exaggerated. This Spirit influenced things via magick. Magick is influencing another's mind. But the Christiand have forgotten how to do this, and their rituals are so watered down that nothing is accomplished.
@@SolutionsNotPrayers Those final three sentences create a contradiction.
@@SolutionsNotPrayers :
What?
@@RichWoods23 no it isn't.
Christanity is a cult. Leftovers from when humanity was just in its infancy. It's time to move forward.
Edited to add... Knowledge is power. This gentleman is truly powerful.
The age of knowledge is what we're currently living in.
This one honestly one of the most enlightening lectures ive listened to in a long time. I research this stuff on my own but its hard when you dont know exactly what to look for
After reading the comments below, I find it amazing that you can get 2 different takes from the same video. - If you assume (There's that word again !) that biblical texts are the absolute truth to begin with, then everything else we have learned in the last 5000 years is an illusion. - If you study, and learn from historical reality, then all religions are products of Bronze Age, or earlier, myths, parables, or fairy tales.
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How hard must it be for a theist to admit that his whole life has been a retreat into the prehistoric fantasies of heaven & hell, of an afterlife, of angels & demons, of a god that never shows itself ?
- It's no wonder that they cannot understand why an atheist has the freedom to think.
only 2 takes??? lol
Yeah, it's not hard to see why (among other reasons) so many are reflexively dismissive of thinking too hard about it.
Often, you are suggesting that they choose your hill to commit total support system suicide on, when in their heart of hearts they've long since come to the reasonable conclusion that the unanswerable questions are so named for good reason, and making a big deal out of the insufficiency of some proposed answers isn't nearly as important to them as, say, attending their father's funeral or being invited to their sister's wedding.
_If you assume (There's that word again !) that biblical texts are the absolute truth to begin with, then everything else we have learned in the last 5000 years is an illusion._
No, that's just the False Dilemma Fallacy. First, define 'absolute,' 'truth,' and 'illusion.' Then study biblical commentaries and sermons for the past 2000 years. Then study the history of biblical exegesis. Then study the philosophy of history (start with RG Collingwood, go on to GF Hegel, and then Hans-Georg Gadamer). Then study the history of Christians in science (the list is very long). Then you will know that everything that Aron has said here is wrong.
@Gen. Lee Interested _Biblical truth starts with a supposition_
Every truth starts with a supposition.
@Gen. Lee Interested No. Truth begins with a supposition. What you observe you see through an _a priori_ lens, a prior model of the world. Even Kant said that as soon as we say 'observed' we say 'observer,' and thus all observation is subjective.
Excellent talk. I especially love the final note, one good slam right before he decides to leave off and let you think about it. Aron has become quite good at this, and I'm very grateful to him for using his skills for the betterment of science, learning, and all mankind.
Three fucking cheers for Aron Ra!
Great video, Aronra knows of what he speaks. The creationist comments here are always amusing. Sad for them, but amusing.
I KNOW RIGHT WHAT IM SAYING SO OBVIOUS TO BE PUT TOGETHER BUT THEY STILL HAVE EXCUSES ITS LIKE SAYING BLUE IS BLACK
@@ramonawilliams9611 -- ... or the sky is technicolor.
It is not that surprising that newer religions were derivative of previous religions.
But this is an excellent and very informative presentation. Thanks.
There are SO MANY people who just have no clue about any of this, though, they believe just as Aron did (as a kid) that the bible is "the first book ever written" and there were no other gods or religions before them. And it *is* willful ignorance, because you can smash that with just about any (other) mythology, but this has no effect. It's (again) like Aron said here, they *don't want to hear it* if it contradicts their indoctrinated dogma and they will literally ignore it. The more committed will actually *admit they are wrong* and justify their need/mandate to believe the wrong information *anyway.*
Smart cookies like you hear that religion has evolved just like anything else and think "well YEAH.." but trust me there are countless hordes of screaming idiots who have never heard anything like this at all.. And here's hoping that maybe a few of them are _capable_ of rational thought and just haven't... really ... _tried it_ yet? Hopefully this and his other videos/presentations can help to bring at least some of those poor mislead fucks out of that cesspool of lies and bigotry.
I love this talk and would like to see it expanded into a proper documentary
AronRa's eloquence combined with his southern accent create a wonderful auditory cocktail of awesomeness which soothes my soul and I could listen to for hours ^_^
This isn't the video that made me question my religion, but this video more than any other, got me out. When I came out to my wife, I was afraid she'd leave me...she considered it. Talked to her a lot and not kidding, showed her this video and it made a drastic impact. As indoctrinated Christians, we were not taught about other religions, myths, etc. I had a general knowledge, but nothing like this. I even though the world flood was something historians thought happened. Thank you AronRa and so glad I got to meet you at the 2019 Atheist Convention where you said you didn't know this video made much an impact on anyone. Dude, the rational channel, you, and Matt Dillahanty made the most impact and this video was the biggest one. (Rational Channel hasn't had a new video in years, but I highly recommend checking them out as it was one of their videos that made me go "that can't be true, let me look that up" which just brought me down the path of getting rid of my crazy beliefs.
Great video. I was on the Christian Bible Errancy Debate Forum for many years. To one of the several fundamentalists who tried to rain on that parade I was discussing breath and how spirit got altered from breath. We used to talk about Egyptology as well. Why did the Egyptians see the soul as being in the heart and not the brain? Simple if we just look at how primitive man tried to understand his world around him. You can feel a heart beat by placing your hand on someone's chest. You cannot feel brain activity. They did not have the instruments to do so then. Dead people have no heart beat. Dead people do not breath. Their chest does not go up and down. ah HA!!!
Man, I love listening to AronRa unravelling the origin and actual meaning of the biblical stories. The bible starts to make sense (sort of) when you understand where it comes from.
This was a great lecture, all Christians should listen to it.
Christians can listen to it but are not smart enough to understand it
***** Don't feel offended. Bible has mistakes and additions by soothsayers. even worse is how instead of people learning to be meek and living on daily bread are just depending on believing. myth is if u believe jesus was son of God u will be saved. Bible is due for an editing so illogical stuff can be purged
*****
Right now all i can say to u is that u don't know the full story. soon if prophecy unfolds the way it is written u will see someone who will edit the Bible
***** Easy. Science IS logical, mithology (and that includes the Bible) is not. Apart of the overwhelming amount of contradictions and mixture of leyends included on it.
Where's the firmament and the waters beyond it?
This is on the very first page of your infallible divine book... God for it wrong straight away, it would seem...
This video (including the production values) is one of the best I've ever seen. Amazing stuff!
This is now my favourite AronRa video. Full of killer facts. Love it.
I always download Aaron Ra & play it in my car while going to work or even in long drive cause it makes your mind so sharp cause of of its articulate presentation of research & facts.
I like you my friend :D
in the end i just make a simple request for theists to show evidence of their claims. i only ever get fallacious arguments or outright lies. this is why i have all but given up on hoping for a straight answer.
they will never give you a straight answer
What sort of evidence are you interested in?
I admire AronRa for his persistence. Really. Give this guy the respect he deserves! Nothing he tells in new (as in: Every well informed individual *could* have known this, but admire Aron is just doing the hard work.) Repeating the information science has unvealed some-time to long ago *is* important. And it is an annoying, hard job. Thanks Aron!
Sometimes I wonder 'how in the hell did people come up with these creation stories?'
I wonder how they looked at the stars and decided what the constellations were.
Apparently, there's no limit to the ability of humans to make shit up.
I think Ra NAILED it when he said some guy said "wouldn't it be neat if we were gods?" while playing with clay figures.
jonathan mendes I think he knows but doesnt understand.
BingBangBye Our ability to make shit up was key to our survival. Our ability to think outside the box and be creative is the reason we are the prevalent species instead of the not-quite-human hominids.
Raymond S. Well the original folks writing about a flood weren't making it up. They were using the standard of the day which is to tell a story with a central human character .... Most stories from the ancient world used this. It was folks that came after taking the story literally is where you get the story pushed into assorted religious scripture ...
That was a fantastic presentation. Someone should make a movie out of this.
They did. You just watched it.
I would do it. Just need a funding source.
I started reading Genesis and already I've noticed some oddness in it as well as really bad writing. (Calling light "good"? What about brilliant, amazing, fantastic, beautiful or--dare I say it--divine? "Good" is repeated ad nauseum. Yeesh. You wouldn't accept writing like this from a third grader.) Genesis contains a mention of the Tree of Life and it's clear that it's a different tree from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. God doesn't forbid Adam and Eve to eat from this tree. But, after he curses them, he admits his worry that they'll eat from the Tree of Life and become immortal. Since they had eaten of the fruit from the forbidden tree, now they had knowledge of good and evil and became as like gods (just as the serpent stated!). To keep them from becoming immortal AND knowing, he drove them out and placed a cherubim with a flaming sword to keep them from the Tree of Life. So why was the Tree of Life there if they weren't forbidden to eat from it? I think the taboo against the other tree's fruit was meant as a test. If they hadn't eaten it, God would have allowed them to eat from the Tree of Life. So they would be immortal but basically be as ignorant as children. He'll only allow his children immortality if they're as witless as sheep and obey him blindly. What. A. Bastard.
Another way to interpret the Tree of Life is that they were immortal as long as they ate from it at regular intervals. They could have been eating from it all along. So when God kicks them out, he's sentencing them to slowly die, cut off from the fruit that would extend their life.
Christians keep saying that Adam and Eve were immortal in the Garden, but that begs the question of why the Tree of Life is there. If they were immortal, it was likely due to eating from the Tree of Life. Otherwise, if they are already immortal, what good is the tree?
One thing I find puzzling about God not wanting Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is: that it imparts knowledge of good and evil. Not just knowledge. Knowledge of what good and evil are. That implies that Adam and Eve didn't know the difference between good and evil, and God didn't want them to know. So, were Adam and Eve immoral and they just didn't realize it? The answer I get to this from Christians is that Adam and Eve were just intrinsically good, that they would only do good things.
Fascinating! But you realize that this sounds very similar to Norse mythology. Idunn had golden apples that she regularly fed to the gods to maintain their youth and immortality. When Idunn was kidnapped by Thjasse, the gods began to wither and age. Either this is a very popular theme in religions or someone writing the Bible just stole the idea and inserted it here. One of the themes of Aron Ra's speeches is that portions of the Bible are cribbed from mythologies from older cultures.
QueenBoadicea
I didn't know about the Norse reference, but I wouldn't be surprised if Norse mythology influenced it, or if there's an even older myth. I thought Greek myth also had something with magic apples.
I was in a conversation about the Garden when I realized that the fruit could have been something they had to continually eat in order to stay immortal. (I try to think of different possible scenarios.) I used to think that the fruit from the Tree of Life was something that God was waiting to give to Adam an Eve at some point to make them immortal forever.
But God never forbade them from eating it. If it was in the Garden, why wouldn't they? The Christian I was talking to thought it was utterly ridiculous that they had to constantly eat from the tree in order to stay immortal. That just wasn't true immortality to him. He insisted that God intended for them to be immortal before they "sinned," which I think may just be a modern-ish interpretation.
I wonder if the original authors intended God himself to regularly eat from the Tree of Life to stay immortal, and the concept of God always existing just came later.
I mean, early in Genesis, God had a lot of human characteristics. It was a bit later in Genesis that God became incorporeal. It was like the concept of God changed.
There IS a mention in Greek mythology of the golden apples of the Hesperides, nymphs who were minor deities of the sunset. The apples belonged to Hera and were supposed to confer immortality on anyone who ate them. Both examples of Greek and Norse mythologies certainly explain the cryptic passage in Genesis ch. 3, vs. 22 where God worries that mankind may achieve immortality now that he had become like "one of us". By us, I suppose he's referring to himself and the angels since there's a mention of cherubim at the end of this chapter. So that means God wanted mankind to be immortal but only on his terms--as empty-headed, ignorant, mindlessly obedient creatures knowing only what God told them and nothing else. Presumably, that's the fate that awaits true believers when they get to Heaven. If that's all God ever wanted for his people, why put the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the garden in the first place? Knowing everything, he knew that Adam and Eve would fail and that he'd get to throw them out. So he either wanted witless worshippers or sinners he could punish. Pretty shabby behavior for a supposedly benevolent being.
Stop reading it. You are obviously too stupid to understand anything you read.
The '439 Bible contradictions' chart...must have it...
+Raptor302 I've only found 63. But I may have missed a few.
+Raptor302 Hello, I'm Raptor001.
Google "bible contradictions". There is more than one list.
Bluesky there are many contradictions. look at the gospels. what did Jesus say on the cross? what did the men crucified along side him say. depends on the gospel you choose. what happened after the women found the grave open/empty? did they tell others, or run in fear? depends on the gospel. I'll stop here not to make the post too long. but i will leave you with this advice from your bible, "study to show thyself approved"... or to actually learn what the bible actually says.
Clarence Jeffcoat The 🐑 sheeple are easily programmed I'm not.
The parallels of Yahweh taking the form of a volcano/air god also rather succinctly explain the "pillar of fire" and "pillar of air" forms that the Judaeo Christian god assumed in the tale of Exodus to lead the Jews across the wilderness. How interesting.
+Jeremy Higgins Nice observation! For that matter, I suppose it also would account for the burning bush. Yes?
+OmniphonProductions
In that case, I would ask Moses to describe the bush for me. What particular shape were the leaves? Did he inhale?
BlackEpyon I am more curious to know the shape of the bowl in which your mother nature mixed the soup from which you came. It seems that in your case it missed the ingredients helping in developing your brain.
emanuel e It's always nice when somebody, in such a brief statement, can advertise both a lack of scientific literacy AND a lack of civility. You do your God proud!
OmniphonProductions Lack of scientific literacy? How did you get that? Cause I didn't say a word about any scientific thing. Only mentioned your silly myths, which have nothing to do with real science.
Great lecture! Reminded me so much of my days in college and seminary. A book I recommend to everyone, a very short but informative paperback, is "The Old Testament Without Illusions," by John McKenzie. That was where I first learned about Sargon, plus the historic facts about the alleged Hebrew slavery at the time of Moses (and that Moses was most likely an Egyptian named Ramses - Ra - Moses), and that the ancient Egyptians were vegetarians and highly ethical. In fact, there is archeological evidence to support that not all the Hebrews left Egypt. Nor were they forced to remain behind.
Monkof Magnesia Well, the name "mosheh" (moses) is in Strong's Concordance 4872, which is said to come from 4871-mashah (to draw out) While the name "ramses", according to behindthename.com, comes from ra+mesu (to be born). Of course, you can discredit the alleged etymology by saying that it is a guess.
Mosheh: biblehub.com/hebrew/4872.htm
Mashah: biblehub.com/hebrew/4871.htm
Ra-mesu: www.behindthename.com/name/rameses
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Monkof Magnesia there is no archeological evidence that anyone known as Hebrew or Israelite was ever IN Egypt anywhere near the times in question. Nor is there any evidence at all that any group of slaves ever got up and walked away. Nor for any series of plagues. Exodus is fiction, complete fiction
Yes... the Bible. It fascinates me. In the same way The Iliad or the Leabhar Gabhala does. Obviously its a record of primitive beliefs. I am puzzled so many people still think it s true.
If it's old, it must be true and irreplaceable wisdom, #AliensDidIt!
@@autobotstarscream765 If god existed, god is an alien. ( extraterrestrial) by definition!
Wish we had classes like this where I live I'd love to attend I absolutely love learning this stuff
Great Job on this presentation Mr. Aronra you're really one of the best if not one of the greatest intellectuals of this century. You're 100% right the bible is nothing but fables and myths. They are just from the minds of early humans who didn't understand the natural world around them. Furthermore its not just the bible that is fallacious, but all so called 'holy texts' and religions are. In the words of the great Philosopher/Mathematician Hypatia of Alexandria and I quote once again: "Fables should be taught as fables, myths as myths, and miracles as poetic fantasies. To teach superstitions as truths is a most terrible thing. The child mind accepts and believes them, and only through great pain and perhaps tragedy can they be in after years relieved of them." Unquote.
_You're 100% right the bible is nothing but fables and myths_
You've read it in the last 5 years, then?
Mens et Ens oh look a brainwashed wanker
@@sugarnads Yawn.
No offence but I don't understand what these replies are trying to say...
@@mensetens6391 Child I have read it back to front so many times it's insane. My step mother would ground me and that was the only book I was allowed to read. Best tool for creating atheists never made in my opinion.
I knew it was robbed here and there, but I didn't realise just how much is the same as every other myth. This is excellent, thanks for this
"Robbed" is a strong word.
ruclips.net/p/PLmXNllWcFFROjlE7gj60Y7xJ6lYscuIZu
Excellent book report Aron. A+ and 2 gold stars.
I'd like to imagine in 2000 years, Skywalkians will discuss at length that Hans shot first. In the book A New Hope 1977, it is clearly written that the Apostle Hans shot first.
Amazing lecture.
Since this expands a little further than just Genesis and the bible, a better title would be: "Religion: Fables, Myths, Legends"
it is said that George Lucas wrote the book of genesis
If he did, it woulda been alot more entertaining :)
Yahweh? you misspelled Yoda!
if only all those weakminded "god" followers were stronger in the force, they could see that "God" is truly the "emperor" in disguise who wishes to enslave them and keep them dependent on his so called power
walrusnose
Yeah - God would have been smiting the wicked with light sabers and blasters instead of lightning and floods.
Woulda been a bit more believable too.
I wish Mr. Ra would do a comparative religion series. I would subscribe so fast my mouse wouldn't know what hit it.
As would I!
Mee too
It's important to keep in mind that this video doesn't disprove the possibility of a deity or supreme being of some kind. What it does is put religion into a historically accurate context and explains how myths and fables evolved over time. There may or may not be a supreme being, but we know science is an accurate description of reality and ancient religions are not. Let's accept that and move on.
Verifed InTest well said
Are you still Christian
I find it funny that the sumerians thought their kings ruled for 28,000 and 43,000 years or more. lol.
Wow even the Sumerians in ancient times knew that the earth was more than 6000 years old!
Aaah the irony!
mzenji which might turn out one ruled for 28 years and the other 38 years only.
I dont know, perhaps its a mistranslation, they had a pretty complex and retarded numbering system after all.
28,000 could very well be 28 or even just 6 or something.
@@morpheas768 I read somewhere that if you do the calculations on a lunar cycle scale, things become more plausible
Athiest .. no one ever said the earth is 6 thousand years old only history of recorded by isreal!
@@AnonymOus-dp3jj You must be an Intelligent Design follower. A monk in the middle ages did say "the earth and the heavens" are 6 thousand years old, and a bunch of believers did since then, which eventually narrowed down this ridiculous piece of nonsense to the bible belt fundamentalists who still hold that same belief today. Some, like that monk, even pin down the exact date and time for "creation." (Who's to stop them?)
This man is a hero in my book. He knows his stuff and he’s really good at keeping a sense of humour in his laser like critique.
So much respect for Aron Ra.
I watched this year's ago, then again, and again. There is so much in Arons' videos, once is never enough! 👍💙💖🥰✌
Hi Aron, I am so, so glad that I watch your video lectures. I love the video were you confronted the Christian who interviewed you. When you mentioned Zoroastrianism, it made me feel that I was right. When I was in 7th. grade in Catholic School, the teacher, in Religion class was teaching that Mary was a virgin and still gave birth to Jesus. I asked her "If she was a virgin...then how did she give birth to a child"? Of course her answer was "Because it was Gods power". I've been a Christian and struggled desperately to fit in. So much that I've read in the Bible either contradicted itself or seemed to be EDITED in many many, places. (Which I know that it was) to please the Political temperament of the time and the Vatican. The flood story as you well know had been told 1000's of years prior to the Bible. I, myself, believe that we were created by an Extraterrestrial Civilization. The Bible itself says in Genesis..."Let US create Man in OUR OWN image, after OUR OWN likeness". It is right there in front of all to see, but people are sheep and DO NOT think for themselves. I firmly believe that we are living in a time when all will be reveled. People often say that we are living in the Apocalypse. I do believe that, but we are living in a Apocalyptic time, according to what the word literally means...."A unveiling" It wont be long that the TRUTH will be exposed. I'm listening to your video as I'm writing this and I just heard you mention Zarathustra. Awesome Dude, In the Bible the image of Satan is so, so evil, were as I believe that he wanted Man to become WIZE and tried to help Him along. The whole "Watchers Thang". Aliens creating Man makes more sense then what the Bible says....(In my book). I once read that God killed 10's of millions of people...were as Satan killed 3!!!!! I'm not saying this literally, but it makes me think...... Thank You, I really enjoy listening to you. Keep On Keepin On Brother, Thank You....Christopher Anthony
@Josh Ash
As a Creationist my self, I just want to tell you that the person said "Aliens creating Man makes more sense", that doesn't literally mean the person believes in it.
Excellent lecture. The history of how the bible came to be is far more interesting than how many Christians would like us to think. As a child, you are led to believe this book is the true inspired word of God. A child does not have the critical thinking skills to question what is being told to them by adults in authority.. surely they must know best. Good work Aronra.
"IF" 'GOD' is outside of "space and TIME" then WHY did it take him SIX DAYS to created the world?
Uh...maybe he created time right away? He chose to do it in 6 days cuz uh, I don't know he didn't want to freak anyone out too bad! 😂
Days might be phases… first phase a split of second bing bang, another phase millions of years to create man... Bible is written in images, cannot be understood literally.
Good question. Keep on questioning. It's good to question. It means you have a brain and are not afraid to use it. Remember this in your old age: you will lose what you don't use. So, keep on questioning.
Because of "mysterious reasons"
_For who that has understanding will suppose that the first, and second, and third day, and the evening and the morning, existed without a sun, and moon, and stars? And that the first day was, as it were, also without a sky? And who is so foolish as to suppose that God, after the manner of a husbandman, planted a paradise in Eden, towards the east, and placed in it a tree of life, visible and palpable, so that one tasting of the fruit by the bodily teeth obtained life? And again, that one was a partaker of good and evil by masticating what was taken from the tree? And if God is said to walk in the paradise in the evening, and Adam to hide himself under a tree, I do not suppose that anyone doubts that these things figuratively indicate certain mysteries, the history having taken place in appearance, and not literally_ (Origen of Alexandria, AD 184 - 253, approximately)
Don't take everything that Aron says as gospel.
Thank you for a fascinating and illuminating presentation!
Never get tired of watching this epic lecture. Truth be told AronRa is the first person to expose me to honest reason, to the understanding of facts, and not just accepting what I am told but by looking at all the details give a understanding of objective reality. I owe you much Señor Ra !! My thanks !
I'm 46 now and listening to you is like being back at middle school when the teacher read from the bible or other exiting books.
I loved the stories.
Never believed them as being real though.
But I love your story telling and this I do believe
Brilliant and eloquent. As deep as it is concise, which is to say very much so.
U r the best yest
That's a lot of information to take in, I gotta look into it all.
Enuma Elish is legitimately fascinating, I recommend looking into it.
I guarantee you that its definitely better than the boring garbage in the Bible. At the very least its got mighty Gods fighting and killing one another.
Still pales in comparison to modern novels/literature though, but pretty much all of these ancient myths do.
I just found your channel today after watching The Bible Skeptic and he referenced he was greatly inspired by you. I'm not religious in anyway but I love to hear people using their damn brain instead of just accepting a damn book as truth because that same book says so. Thank you for the informative and entertaining videos.
Back in 1972 I worked on the archeological dig of Troy near Izmir in Turkey. One of the archeologists in the group had a buddy back in Israel who was working on a fresh transcription of several of the Old Testament books from the original scrolls, tablets, etc. He frequently sent letters exclaiming how there was very little correlation between the modern books and the original text, and how in many cases the text had been so completely altered over time, that the modern versions were complete alterations and likely fabrications. He was certain that once that information got out that it would be the end of Western religion as we knew it. Lesson learned? Don't confuse 'em with the facts! All kidding aside, this is an absolutely excellent (and fascinating) lecture and I'd like to thank you for publishing it. My hat is off to you sir!
AronRa what's shakin man. ha was going to ask if you were going to redo the video then realized you had seen to it already. Good deal, can't wait to share the new version.
Some Christians will use these parallels to say, "See this proves the bible to be true." I've heard this done mostly with the flood story.
For a dweller in most of the ancient, Near Eastern, Fertile Crescent it was reasonable enough to believe the flat or even bowl-shaped world of Genesis and its Babylonian precursors. So the idea that the world is fairly small and there's no limit to the amount of rain available, means the flood might be possible. As for loading "all the kinds" of animals and birds, provided you don't think about honeybees, it is not too absurdly stupid.
But for people who know that the world is a globe, as Francis Drake proved by sailing round it, or even more extreme, that the genius Torricelli weighed the atmosphere with a vacuum at the top of a column of mercury, it is stupid in the extreme to imagine a Global Flood, let alone giraffes, elephants, bison and buffaloes on an Ark.
Mark Twain makes savage fun with the necessity to preserve every disease that has survived that "Flood".
This is marvelous! The most thrilling lecture I heard lately!
I like how he compares stories of the bible to stories that are similar but had been out hundreds of years before from other myths and legends.
Aron, could you list your sources, citations, and references ?
Is there anything original in the bible?
+Paul Pfeiffer Not much
Buffy Scarlette Not really
The book of Job seems to be, but i might be wrong.
beaconrider Aside from a hell of a lot more incest than other writings from the time... no
The cruelty and narcissism of Yahweh is pretty original.
I have not been able to find any other scriptures that declare one and only God, and this God constantly asserting that he is the ultimate authority, to be feared, has a gigantic divine -penis- ego, and so forth.
This seems pretty original to me, as the priests of Judah at the time wanted to basically claim that their God is bigger and better than all other Gods. All tremble before him.
Perhaps I'm wrong and it might not be original, but definitely hard to find.
Excellent work, even if you were running late the day this talk was given. Damn ***** after every video I feel like I have read 3 or 4 volumes of history, politics, comparative religion, and no telling what else. Good stuff.
This is the kind of religious study I enjoy. Looking at it in historical context as a historical document that has changed a lot over the centuries. Granted it means the religious aspects get binned but the whole topic actually becomes interesting.
Thank you for sharing this presentation. Both the scholarship of what is presented, and the manner of presentation are quite excellent. Of course I already knew that the christian bible is just a re-casting of ancient superstitions, but this presents it in a nicely organized, cohesive way and is enjoyable to learn from.
To my comment heroes Intronaut and Psydewaves: you have the courage (and mutual boredom) to come to the gunfight with actual guns and then explain to emanuel e and tammaro why knives don't work in this situation. Keep up the good work!!
Keep being stupid, sweetie. I suppose it brings you a lot of benefits.
+emanuel e Did we wake you?
Your best so far. Utterly fascinating.
What a great way to present all of this information is such a clear and concise manner. Thank you!
The dude in the corner the whole video. Rock on mate!
New studies are showing the Old Testament is way younger than thought and likely copied Greek mythology
This is fascinating, I share these with my religious mother so she can stop living her life in servitude to Yahweh. Thank you, much more of these
This is the best account I've ever seen for the evolution of civilizations & birth of religions. 👍
excellent video and presentation.
Most informative (dare I say enlightening?) - very many thanks for sharing. "Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear" :)
I'm am humbled and indeed awed by Aron ra's dedication to knowledge gained by scholarship.
Loved this story time with AronRa. Praise the fusion reaction of the sun! :)
Contradictions in the bible start in Genisis. Day 1 he created the earth and light. He called the light day and the dark night. Day 4 he created the sun, moon and stars. You'd think he'd know the sun is the light source for day and depending on where people reside and the rotation of earth, night.
@@aljay2955 but doesnt genesis there was an empty void other than darkness and the earth. Whuch is another problem because he made the earth after the earth was there
That’s an easy one. First create light. Then create that which produces light. The 6 days is simplified. It is God putting things into order. From chaos to order. So light without a sun is chaos. He then created a way to put light in order. I’m just speculating here, but it’s not that hard to wrap your mind on.
Aron make more videos like this one about the other parts of the bible too :) it's awesome
I like that verse also; thanks Aron for putting it in here. Ecclesiastes 3:18-22 , man and beast both die and that a man hath no preeminence over a beast. For all is vanity. I looked for this verse for about an hour and remembered it here thanks again, for all you do for humanity.
One of the best books on this subject is In the Beginning: Science Faces God in the Book of Genesis by Isaac Asimov
Asimov was an outstanding writer, always entertaining
An excellent compilation of myths and their similarities. Humans are so unoriginal in their stories! We've been rehashing other people's myths for thousands of years. Hollywood does no better. Just shows a true limit to our imagination.
me and all the commi bastards
Great presentation. Very well laid out and researched.
Aron, you did the job...you converted a atheist (that already was an atheist at the age of 7 😊) into a even better informed atheist...thanks a lot for your work...so important in this world going raving mad in the race for profit using religion as its deadliest weapon👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Awesome presentation.
A funny and informative tour through the writing of the book of Genesis.
Flood myths from this civilization, these chapters written in this century, great info.
An engaging, entertaining presentation.
"Who wrote the Bible? Men!" The first repudiation many of us heard as teenagers
of biblical accounting/theism. NO SHIT!!
And WITHOUT DOUBT it addressed THEIR aggrandizement. "Patriarchy" OF COURSE.
But also many other societal/tribal needs: coalesced values/goals, shared prohibitions,
hierarchical assignment, sui generis identity.
WHO?! thought otherwise? IT is EXACTLY what every other "religion" IS.
Is it derivative? OF COURSE! SO'S science.
Science isn't invalidated by the overwhelming number of things it got/gets wrong.
Science is UNQUESTIONABLY the greatest gift to humankind by virtue ONLY of the things
it gets right.
DOES supernaturalism correctly address "ORIGINS"? NOBODY FUCKING KNOWS!!!!
DOES science disqualify supernaturalism? WE DO!! FUCKING KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT!!!
Victor Stenger ("God: The Failed Hypothesis") said: "Religion makes claims which science can test."
ODD!! the motherfucker wasn't awarded the Nobel Prize for successfully accomplishing THAT!!
WAIT A MINUTE....HE DIDN'T!!! BUT....
'Science DEFINITELY makes claims which SCIENCE can test!.' OR it's NOT SCIENCE.
"Scientific Atheism" is by self-definition "SCIENCE". SO!! WHAT DOES IT CLAIM?!?!
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guaranfuckingtee you CAN'T TOUCH IT!!
"It's good to be king."
Or a gangsta.
While you could learn a thing or two from my view on spiritual truth I must say that this is a very well held presentation in which you address the subject and its examples like a boss mr AronRa!!
Hey Aron, I would like you to cite your sources ? I’d like to learn and potentially use this in my debates , I just need a solid reference/s
23:48 ff "Satan the opposer" carries the sense of "the opposing hand of God."
When Satan opposes Job and Balaam he does so with God's authority, while his status as an aspect of God is manifest in the discrepency between 2 Sam 24v1 and 1 Chron 21v1. The former says "...the anger of the Lord... incited David" while the latter says "Satan" incited David to number Israel.
Early Christian illustrations of Satan show the parable of the sheep and the goats, again using this left hand and right hand of God metaphor. The Latin term, 'sinister' and the French 'gauche' mean left handed. These terms have shifted their meaning in common use but retain their sense of disapprobation.
@James Patrick Favouring the right hand to write from left to right makes pragmatic sense, but Hebrew, which runs right to left, is easier if you're left-handed. The association of the left hand with destruction (Abaddon/Apollyon) or clumsiness (gauche/sinister) spans both cultures, probably because, facing the pole star, the sun rises on the right and sets on the left (we were orientating long before writing was invented).
Great video! I wish theists would watch and learn from their ignorance of fables and fairy tales.
No. A sweet lie is better than the bitter truth.
I will learn, but I'm still going to have faith.
I love archaeology, and this video was extremely informative. I enjoyed it very much. Thank you!
Anyone know how I can get a more in-depth look into this?
A smart logical and educated american. i think he should be arrested if not deported for his views
..Alright, that made me laugh so hard I think I just strained my throat.
kanwarjit sidhu What the heck are U playing at?
kathy - The way I took it was to say: in america, knowledge and intelligence are not valued...in fact, they're distrusted and should be criminalized as such. Tongue-in-cheek of course.
@@whateverimtold9872 SO sad that this is how America is seen on the world stage. Although we do have a large amount of religious people, only the fundamentalists are the real problem. Conservative Christians are a smaller part of the issue as they make the real crazy Fu@&ers seem like a larger group. I am an American and stand with people like Aron Ra against the religious wave of crazy trying to subdue my country. How can these zealots claim to love Democracy and then vote to force people to follow what they believe? Please, if you are American and Atheist, do anything you can to help stop those people leading the fundamental wave by supporting Aron Ra, Matt Dillahunty, Sam Harris, FFRF and all the other people and organizations protecting us from a theocracy! Keep the "Land of the Free", free!
Have you tried sending all this info to the Creation in Genesis? Just want to see how they wiggle out of this one...
...the bible was written in a mystery that NO ONE will interpret except New Test empowered believers, so the creature with the hair is speaking lies and your gobbling it up "because you want to."
Sonja Grinstead I spent the first 32 years of my life as an indoctrinated believer and the last 31 years as an atheist after I actually investigated and researched the factual history of the origins of the bible. If what you say is true then that is not representative of any god worth acknowledging let alone worshiping. Frankly you sound like pathetically gullible person. I wish you well in your life of blissful ignorance of reality.
RhondaH Relax! ...we believe differently and are on totally different spiritual positions ...but one day v e r y soon we will a l l know who is the "pathetically gullible!!! ...as an atheist you don't believe in the end time prophesies which are being fulfilled worldwide to usher in the return of Christ. That's what I mean, we will all know very shortly as the prophetic "time table of events" is fulfilled except the revealing of the New World Order " satanic dictatorship One World Leader. When that happens it's game over!!! ..KJV.
Do the atheists know that the now fulfilled Revelation 13:15-17 "Mark of the Beast 666" is the now the RFID skinchip which is the "RADIO FREQUENCY IDENTIFICATION ID" already visible and which will be mandatory out of the New World Order with "do or die" new laws. The chip is to track and control the world, if you break their laws they will find you! ...it's simply prophesy of old fulfilled today as it was supposed to!
***** LOL you can always find a few nutty people that had the benefit of an education. Doesn't mean they aren't believing loony crap. BTW the Flew story isn't what you state. He admitted to many that he had been duped by false information from creationists. At the end he thought maybe a god could exist but it wasn't the xian god by any stretch. Thing is you don't have any straight or relevant facts to look at, just distortions and made up BS.
Sonja Grinstead '...the bible was written in a mystery that NO ONE will interpret except New Test empowered believers, so the creature with the hair is speaking lies and your gobbling it up "because you want to."
WTF is New testament empowered believers? Is that a euphemism for New Testament indoctrinated morons? No one cares if the Bible was written in this mystery you allude to, the content of the Bible is what matters and this is demonstrably a myth, a composite of numerous earlier fables and myths. Use your damned brain and listen to the content of this video, these findings are not from one man, these are findings from years of expert analysis into man's earliest civilisations.
Anyone know where the clip at 1:17 originates? Thanks!
Do anyone have the sources for the ancient texts or something written about them?
I am so happy to have found this lecture by Aron Ra. Many of my ideas expressed on my website www.origin-of-religion are strengthened by this lecture. There is a native structure in Barrie Ontario, Canada called the "Spirit Catcher" which moves in the wind which started me thinking that the idea of "spirit" evolved from the wind, eventually I started writing about it and published the website. I am so happy to have found this lecture, knowing that others, more prominent than me think in similar fashion
I genuinely love the Bible. Like I love all mythological writings. None of them should be taken literally or used for a basis of morality though.
Eh some things are moral. I like taking good points and sayings from various texts.
How about modern mythology such as Star Wars, Transformers, and Sailor Moon?
Aronra - thanks to your lectures I question the Bible and religions as s whole
While I haven’t severed my ties with my religion, I do question it often to the annoyance of my peers, bordering to their eyes that of an atheist.
I’ve even been called that.
But I’d like to thank you for your lectures - especially the “How X disproves Noah’s flood.” I listen to them intently and sometimes as background noise as I do find your lectures as means to relax.
Thank you again,
And I mean that
A spiritual believer
Excellent explanation regarding the belief systems of those times. Especially the end.
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i would love to see the sources for this speech.if even half of these instances of plagiarized myths are accurate and verified, it should give pause to even the most emphatic of bible-thumpers.
I'm sure if you contact Aron he will give you every source.
Bone Alias Do you know of a good way to get in contact with him? Does he have an email account that he has made public or some such channel and in which such queries are addressed?
Wouldn't know of any domain of his specifically devoted to responding to questions. I think he'll respond either here or on his Facebook page. Just try it.
Bone Alias
Ok, thanks man
Aron names the sources and the events. Google it and you will find exactly what he said it was. This is so because the man actually has evidence, and evidence is something you do not find in the Bible.
He mesmerizes me. I want him to hug me with those big protective mitts
Who wouldn't wanna cuddle with him
And get big bear hugs from him?🐻
Fair enough wurm🙋🏼💟🌹🌈
Daddy-issues or the 🔋 died in you B.O.B?