People might listen to this man and say how bleak. How depressing. But no. How realistic. How honest. How comforting. Now let's get to enjoying life and treating those we love with the utmost care.
You know believers taught that life here in earth is nothing you have to prepare for the forever afterlife so they don't really care about what mess and disaster they made in this earth as they won't live here forever but their offspring will suffer. Is just funny well glad i am not but yeah looking at the world now people destroy the nature to get temporary satisfaction and it will never be attained as happiness can't present without willing to acknowledge the suffering.
Bang on the money. I like to think that god kills our penchant for marvelling at the natural world - that wonderful line in Jurassic Park "Life finds a way" can be emasculated by the notion "oh yeah. God did that. Isn't he clever?"
4:09 AronRa, I can't imagine how proud you must have felt when your son asked that question and felt relieved at your answer. The apple doesn't seem to have fallen far from the tree.
@@gregoryt8792 Anybody that ''still believes'' that our Earth is only 7000 years old, built in 6 days by some-guy-in-the-sky are PART OF THE PROBLEM !....(sidebar: the guys that wrote the ''bible'' had no clue where our Sun WENT AT NIGHT).....dooooh !
19:00 I saw a story on you tube recently about a dog who protected his owner's child by getting between the child and a rattle snake. The dog was bitten, but the owners had time to get the child out of the way. The owners then rushed the dog to the vet where it was treated fro the snake bit and made a full recovery. Then, instead of praising the dog for it's self sacrifice, the video praised God for making the dog protect the child. I pointed out, if God could make the dog risk its own life and get an incredibly painful snake bite, who couldn't he control the snake and just make it avoid the yard with the child in it? I speculated that had God done that the humans would not have known God intervened on their behalf, and the only reason God could have had to use the dog instead was so the people would know he helped them. In other words, God hurt their dog because he wanted to show off. It's like the guy who sets fire to a school so he can be seen as a hero who rescued the children. So ether there is no God, or God is the worlds biggest prick. Boy, they didn't like my comment one bit. *Update:* I am blown away at the comments my point here has generated. Plenty agree with me, but of those who don't, not one has offered a sound reason as to why God would control the snake to protect the family. Many seem to think I am saying God exists, I'm not, I'm pointing out that the place the "thank God" crowd is headed. There are two possibilities here. The snake, dog, and family members were all working on their own trying to accomplish whatever goals they had in mind. The dog sees the snake, knows it is a threat to his family and, on his own volition places himself between the threat and his family. The dog did this because the *DOG* wanted to do it, or at least wanted to protect his family. In this case it is the *DOG* who should be thanked, because God had no part in it (assuming he exists at all) The other option is that God takes control of the dog and FORCES the dog to protect the family. But if this is what happened, God would still not deserve any thanks, in fact, he deserves scorn because he could have saved the family bu controlling the snake instead. But if he had made the snake go away, no one (not even the dog) would have known it was ever there. If God's goal was to be seen as a hero, he hurt the dog to show off. If his goal had been to protect the family, then he should have controlled the snake.
Eric Taylor Agreed. God actually admits to this behavior in the bible. He hardens Pharaoh's heart so he can show off his magic powers of controlling nature. In fact he sent the Israelites into Egypt in the first place so he could later boast about rescuing them!
The god of the bible does like to swing his dick around doesn't he. Such very human emotions for a deity. One could almost imagine it was merely invented by other more primitive and superstitious human beings. How thinking adults can manage to convince themselves of such nonsense is always a surprise to me.
" In other words, God hurt their dog because he wanted to show off. It's like the guy who sets fire to a school so he can be seen as a hero who rescued the children." Or the guy that unleashes the giant bowling ball shaped robot to destroy the city so he can come in with the wrist-mounted disabling device to con people into thinking he's a hero, but was only stopped at the last minute by The Incredibles.
Muzaffar, prove it. What's holding me together are fundamental forces of nature that exist without intelligence (mainly strong and electo-weak forces). But if what you wrote is true, then your god is responsible for immense pain and suffering. So there's no way you can defend that he "loves" us. In fact, the bible descries the most evil and incompetent being ever recorded.
Muzaffar Krylov- What's funny about that is, Brian the King of the Leprechaun's power holds you together as you laugh at Him. He loves you that much and He knows exactly what you're going through at every single moment of your life. He has counted every hair on your head and He knew you before the foundations of this Earth was created. My friend, try to remember who you are.... Better or worse?
So he knew PEOPLE before they were born, but didn't know many of their QUESTIONS and views of contradictions enough to give a public answer? Without major, ambiguous cross-referencing to verses?
I think you mean by using false scientific principles (or theories) we can make up and lie about anything but yet prove nothing like the big bang theory .....in 1974 Mr Billy Preston wrote a song that should explain that easy....Nothing from Nothing leaves Nothing you gotta have something......etc.
@@void4256 Oh wow, a strawman argument. You know absolutely nothing about what you're talking about whether it be the your incorrect use of the word theory or purposely taking a quote out of context to try to prove your "nothing begets nothing" point. And even if scientists eventually discover a better model than the big bang, it does not mean the only other option is that your magical sky fairy did it. You're a sad little ape who has deluded himself and been deluded by others that a magic man that you can't see made you in his image and has a greater purpose for you. That's the epitome of arrogance if you ask me.
@@RandomAllenWell with all your supposedly great wisdom why don't you try and disprove a true GOD! Then turn around and try and prove a true GOD and let's see how far your self-centered stupidity can carry you...……...
I had the same experience as Aron when I was a child, getting scolded by a priest for innocently asking for clarification on confusing elements of the bible... during a question & answer visit in class, no less! I had never been yelled at by an adult authority figure until then. It was terrifying, but also baffling, and made me even more curious and doubting.
That’s not right for that priest to do that…and if you are apart of a church that does something like that, leave that church and find a new one…this experience is not a good reason not to believe in God and don’t have that experience as to think this is what Christians really are because that priest is not a good example and steward of God’s Word
I remember as a child asking questions and I remember seeing the Sunday school teacher struggling with the answers. Like he had never been asked or had thought about it. At the time I didn't have words for the confusion I felt, how Am I, A 7 year old asking a man who must have been 40ish and stumping him? Grew up in Utah they have seminary in high school, I was 15 skipped once to go get a candy bar. The teacher threw me up against wall and screamed in my face about it. It was a total over reaction I knew I was done. Just played nice until I was 18 then I was outta that shit.
An interesting point I'd like to bring up is a time when my family went on vacation and at some Florida Chinese buffet they prayed for the meal as they always do. Some of our family later that day had food poisoning and felt sick and nauseous. Well whats the f*cking point of praying for food if your prayers can't keep people from getting food poisoning? ""It was his will"" If it's his will then why bother praying for something your prayers won't change? I haven't prayed for a meal in 6 years since I deconverted and you know what I've noticed? Nothing changed. Food still nourishes me according to what I eat and junk food still makes me gain weight. The most Christian nation on earth that prays more for their food than any other country still has the world's largest obesity problem. The food ain't changing because you say some recitations over it.
Yes, its the typical religious response, when something good happens its "thank god!", and when something bad happens "it was god's plan, and we can't know god's reasons". Its absurd, but people are so programmed with this type of rationale that they don't question it.
true.... to be honest , ther god if it was real it wouldet even need to do any big things when you think about it having empirical results from praying over food if you worshiped it would make more converts then anything else...be it people just wanting to avoid food poisoning , or eat extra bacon burgers to ther hearts content without getting weight.
@THEANSWER Right, praying before the meal is to thank god for food and everything else. Yet people die of starvation. I think god just doesn't love those people. He loves only those that pray to him, but he might still let them starve. In other words, prayer and god are both useless. And if he really throws people in hell for not believing, I will refuse to believe in principle, because I won't be bullied by a cosmic psychopath or anyone else. Only a real weakling, with no sef-worth, bows to psychopathic abusers.
I gave a lady a car ride to the doctor's office a couple of days ago because she was lost and wanted directions. She kept saying "god bless you." I tried to tell her that we as people just need to look out for each other and help each other as often as we can. I was trying to get her to think that god had nothing to do with it without actually saying it. Not sure my point sank in. But she was very grateful so I let it be.
+Josh Blacker > I you ever find something that seems like a contradiction in the Bible, just remember what your pastor told you: "This is not a contradiction; this is... not a contradiction".
Pavel Rahl there are a over 800 supposed contradictions in the Bible, but when studied they all fall away, I dare you to study them in an unbiased way, and remember if there is a possible answer then it's not a contradiction
@Event Horizon We haven't seen a being of any nature or supernatural element, nor observed one in a seperate dimension, so my vote is they completely, and utterly do not exist. I doubt these beings could withstand the consequences of not existing in time, either.
So does your theory of the big bang ...which takes space, time, and matter....but no great genius has been able to justify this theory.....answer your own question before condemning someone else's!
Sure, but sometimes he is also a man of Delusions, like when he pulls out of his butt that Jews think or thought that God has a physical body xD This contradicts every Jewish history/jewish philosophy scholar that ever existed in history. And he bases this kind of outrageous claim on his inability to read a text like the Bible in context and with knowledge of the culture from which it stems.
@@kevspeedruns9947 I wonder why God then walks in the Garden of Eden in the cool of the day. How does he walk if he has no physical legs and a corporeal body that is pulled to Earth by gravity such that he can walk? And why would he choose to walk in the cool of the day, the most refreshing time for flesh-and-blood people to walk because they have bodies that enjoy the feeling of coolness after a warm Middle East day? How can God smell pleasing aromas of sacrifices if he has no body? How does he speak to Adam, Abraham, Noah and Samuel if he has no vocal cords? Each of those depictions in the OT can only be understood if you accept the fact that the Jews thought God had a body.
@@nickwarner8158 , Do you believe in gravity??? You cannot "see" it, but you feel it's effects, right??? Defy it and you will die. Now, you do understand we Catholics believe in a very "visible" GOD (Colossians 1:15-21) who walked among us, and whom impacted history so much that we determine time based off of His life, right??? Ultimately, what if someone could predict family lineage, how, when, where and the circumstances around your birth BEFORE your birth??? Would that be a mere "accident" to you or something "divine"??? Welcome to the logic, FACTS and TRUTH about Jesus Christ. How about 355 prophecies fulfilled??? www.accordingtothescriptures.org/prophecy/353prophecies.html The "odds" of a "man" fulfilling all these prophecies and resurrecting from the dead are about the same mathematical odds of this "cause and effect" universe happening by "accident". What are the mathematical odds of just fulfilling "8" prophecies let alone 355??? ruclips.net/video/Za_eBcMsYl8/видео.html
@@rc7625 Which "belief" is more rational and logical??? Two people (one Christian the other Atheist) are walking through an apple orchard coming upon 377 apples "perfectly" in a row and "evenly" spaced apart on the ground. The atheist, given their belief in spontaneous "accidents", concludes "nice accident" and continues walking. Obviously, not thinking anything more about it - as that is how he/she is brainwashed by their "secular" public education to believe. On the other hand, the Christian sees the exact same 377 apples "perfectly" in a row and "evenly" spaced apart, and concludes "WHO IN THE WORLD DID THAT?" Which has a more rational and logical conclusion??? Basic logic dictates behind "order" there has to be an "orderer". Behind every "building" you see is a "builder" you cannot see. Behind something that is "moving" there is a "mover" - that "caused it" to move. Behind an intelligent "design" is a intelligent "designer". Now, let’s raise the spontaneous "accident" odds to absolute absurdity. For me to write this post I have 3 Billion DNA "perfectly" in a row and "evenly" spaced apart and for you to read this post right now you have 3 Billion DNA "perfectly" in a row and "evenly" spaced apart, so over 6 Billion DNA "ordered" and working !!! Now, is that just a random "chance" and spontaneous "accident" to have 6 Billion DNA in a "row" to carry on this conversation??? www.genome.gov/25520880/deoxyribonucleic-acid-dna-fact-sheet/ evolutionnews.org/2018/04/yes-intelligent-design-is-detectable-by-science/ Even famous atheist Richard Dawkins has admitted DNA can "prove" intelligent design ruclips.net/video/prFZTMIKOi4/видео.html www.allaboutscience.org/intelligent-design.htm Sorry, Evolution is a lie. The false theory should be DEAD/EXTINCT by "real" scientists: ruclips.net/video/4wCxkBnm3ow/видео.html Evolution is spread from a Masonic lie: ruclips.net/video/66c03O4APJ4/видео.html What are the "odds" of even one protein forming "accidentally" completely forgetting about even more complex "LIFE"??? ruclips.net/video/W1_KEVaCyaA/видео.html ruclips.net/video/yBEwgdCHUWo/видео.html Now is athiestic evolution or spontaneous "accidents" really a logical and rational conclusion??? Please get to KNOW the supreme "orderer" of this universe, and what He expects out of your life to find "TRUE LIFE". Now, I recommend you watch former atheist Lee Strobel's "Case for the Creator". ruclips.net/video/ajqH4y8G0MI/видео.html Then listen or read Josh McDowell's "Evidence Demands a Verdict". ruclips.net/video/HRemWMIy2IY/видео.html Please follow the "evidence", facts, real science and "TRUTH" right into the ONE and ONLY established Church of Jesus Christ being the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH. May GOD open your eyes and heart guiding you to TRUTH HIMSELF Jesus Christ (John 14:6). www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html www.magiscenter.com,
When he talks about how god does things, it reminded me of a story from my 6th grade science class in a Catholic school, and we were supposed to explain how something, I don't recall what, works. I couldn't remember the answer, I started writing (in pen) and realized I was wrong, tried again, realized I was wrong, and tried again - each time hurriedly scribbling out the former answer. Finally, I just wrote (being the smart ass I was) "Because God wills it." My teacher had a sense of humor, and when I got the test back, she had written - "God also wills neatness and organization." It was only much later that I realized that, in a Catholic school, my answer should have been correct.
@@lengray44 *THAT WILL NOT MAGICALLY TURN YOUR FEELINGS into FACTS NO MORE THAN IT WILL ENABLE YOU TO DEBATE ME ON ANY MATTER SUBJECT to FACTS and DATA, LITTLE ONE*
*THAT WAS OLE CANCER MAN HITCHENS BLIND SPOT I NEVER COULD FIGURE OUT. HIS ENTIRE PREMISE HE SPENT HIS ENTIRE LIFE BITCHING ON and ON and ON and ON ABOUT. WAS WRONG. WASTED HIS ENTIRE LIFE.* DELETE IT AGAIN ERONEOUS. YOU SCARED COWARD ASS DRUNK.
I’m so glad we live in a country where it’s unconstitutional to teach science fiction in the science classroom. I constantly have to explain to students why a god or gods do not count as a scientific explanation. And that’s because there is no imperial evidence of the supernatural. The scientific method is awesome and what scientists have learned about the nature of reality is much more impressive than the fictional stories.
I personally would ask them to try to convert me and point out all the problems when they bring it up, as respectfully as possible of course. Try to get them to think about the topic as much as possible.
im so glad i live in a country where students dont need that explained to them . Fiction being taught as science in school is the last step to fascist theocracy . If youre at the stage where indoctrinated students are constantly interrupting and needing dealt with then i wouldnt be thankful just yet . Its outside school that the real issue lies . Be wary .
I really enjoy your talks and presentations, and it's really nice of you to upload all of these here so people like me who don't have access to these kinds of conventions and conferences can benefit from them too. Thanks God for Aron Ra ;)
LOL...that is the first youtube ad I watched all the way through...The Sasquatch ad. Mr. Aron, recently came across your videos the other day and I'm impressed! Great to have such an intelligent and well spoken Atheist to represent us...not since the late GREAT Christopher Hitchens have I been so entertained. I was raised Catholic and taught to worship "The Great Cloud GOD" and his magic Fairies...but since a young age had my questions but dare not ask as the Nuns would rather beat the fu*k out of a child than answer any logical question about "Belief"...guess I'm luck I wasn't molested. Once programed from a young age, it did take years to become a true atheist...I gave you a thumbs-up and will subscribe. Keep it up partner, we need more like you!
Exodus 20 versicle 19: And the Lord said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the people of Israel: You have seen for yourselves that I have talked with you from heaven with a decent microphone so it doesn't feel like I'm speaking from the bathroom"
Absolutely fantastic. Thank you EVER so much for this and everything else you do, and have done, and will do, Aron, for the poor human kind!!! D-E-E-P-L-Y appreciated.
Yes, we’re incredibly fortunate to have people like Aron amongst us on this earth, we’d probably still be stuck in the Middle Ages without them. We must all aspire to be more like them and try to do for others what they’ve done for us, expanded our minds in the most beautiful and liberating ways, showing us how to destroy the shackles of indoctrination.
@Urrcreavesh No, it's WAY worse. The Templeton Foundation, a theistic research organization (no, really) actually did research the effects of prayer. And, credit where credit is due, they did actually go for the scientific approach. They selected a number of (christian) people who (IIRC) got a coronary bypass operation and divided them in three groups. The first group was prayed for and was informed that they were prayed for. The second received prayers but wasn't informed about it. And finally they had a control group that got no prayers for them. If there was any merit to praying this would probably be a little bit unethical, but hey. Also, they didn't just have anyone praying, they hired professionals. Nuns and priests of the relevant christian flavors (fitting the patient) were tasked with praying for the specific patients. The patients who got prayers and weren't informed and the control group showed about the same amount of complications. So far, no surprise. The surprise was that the group that got prayed for and was informed about it had a statistically significant HIGHER amount of complications, probably due to the additional stress these patients received from thinking that their situation must be dire if there's already priests and nuns praying for their survival. So please, DO NOT pray for me. Do you want to kill me?
"Jesus cartoons" - Makes me very glad that we've raised our daughters with the various religions being taught (along with Tooth Fairy and Santa) as just interesting mythologies. They very much enjoy watching Veggie Tales - but in the same way they enjoy hearing about the Greek, Norse, and other stories.
@Robert Sallow literally like, Greek and Norse gods were written as flawed so the people could relate to them, then Christians wanted to one-up everyone like the kid on the playground like "acutally OUR god is perfect and can control everything and stuff only happens because he makes it happen and-"
@@thetruthchannel349 what about it is unanswerable lmao. Seems pretty clear what my question is maybe you should take a little bit of time reading it again.
I just love listening to Aron Ra's talk set times and I have been fortunate enough to recently be able to buy myself a copy of his book foundational falsehoods of creationism. I haven't had much time to read it yet but from what I have read so far I can honestly say if there are any of you who are thinking of picking up this book it is well worth the read.
Just about a minute into this and I had something of a revelation occur. Aron said that because he knew water was H2O when he was 8 yo, that he knew there was something up with the "water into wine" story. So his skepticism began early. Having heard him say similar things before it took until just now to realize that had he gotten a fundamentalist-home-school-pseudo-education rather than a decent science-based public school education to provide him with a base point for factual knowledge with which to compare impossible claims, that we may not have had one of rationality's & science's most staunch advocates & defenders. That so well punctuates why proper reality-based education is so damn important! Having read his book and watched most of his educational videos I can say from personal experience that his tireless efforts to promote the weighing of evidence paired with a reasoned approach to critical thinking would have been a great loss had his mind been closed by dogma before he was informed well enough to know better.
I was in the marines when I found out my daughter had a strange disease and died before I got out. If you believe in this gos, explain to me why a god would take someone's kid, why he would when they aren't even there for them. What kinda god is that sick.
I love to see and here this FreeThinker, FreeResearcher, FreePhilosopher and FreeBeër. Very refreshing. Really exceptional that the University of Wisconsin Milwaukee has an open mind to a human being like him expressing about the reality of living.
@@prodigalpaul1227 actually, from an intellectual stand point. This talk was incredible. Facts, exists, and sounds explanations. Way better than a dude, in a dress, talking about his imaginary friend, and how we are created sick, then ordered to be well.
3:36 I remember one day coming back home from church my mother asked if we enjoyed sunday school. Everyone but me said yes. Shocked she asked what i didnt like. I said, "The whole thing doesnt make sense, there is no Superman. Baffled she asked who i thought made the world. I said "I dont know" she replied then it had to be god. 6 year old me couldnt argue with that but was not persuaded.
It was a very good illustration when you used the example of planes stopping 10 feet from the buildings and slowly falling to the ground. I bet a lot of religous people prayed for something like that to happen.
If there were a god, Aron Ra's videos would all have good audio with sound equalization. Instead, we live in the real world, and are happy to accept that this just isn't going to happen. We deal with it, because it is real.
John T. DiFool Sounds just like any conventional car. Imaginary news headline: "The Saviour descended to Earth today, but unfortunately landed on a busy highway."
When they say "Don't judge a book by its cover" This is what they mean. Just because Aron(or anyone else) looks like a heavy metal biker doesn't mean they aren't the smartest person in the room!
Life really does make sense without religion. Durring the times of blind faith life was very confusing. People would always say prayer fix everything. But in the end I realize I had to fix anything that was broken in my life and that prayer had nothing to do with anything.
One interesting explanation for the "turning water to wine" trick is something my mum pointed out to me a little while ago: back in the day, before the art of wine making was properly researched and eventually perfected, they didn't filter out the fruit rests before the fermentation process. Instead, they left them in the barrel to ferment together with the rest. So one very simple way to "create" wine out of water... would be to simply fill water back into a decanter that has a bunch of those fruit rests in it, maybe because the barrel was almost empty or maybe the innkeeper was trying to scam his customers- either way, with wine that's barely stronger than 2-5% in the first place, you likely wouldn't notice the difference between actual wine and just water with grape stuff in it.
6:36 "Movement of air was considered spiritual". Fun fact: The swedish word "andedräkt" (breath) would directly translated be "spirit costume". The finnish word "henki" means both breath and spirit.
You could say that religions seem to have a tendency of random mutations (translation errors, missing pages, …) and then the best stories are kept and propagate and get passed on ...
Recently I went grocery shopping and didn’t realize my debit card was canceled, so I kept taking food off so I can get some groceries. My uncle and my two little nieces were with me. When I got down to hardly any food and the clerk rang it up and I still didn’t have the funds, the clerk decided to pay for the food. When I thanked her, my uncle who stood right there blurted out, “You should be thanking God, not her,” then when she had this awkward look on her face, then he said, well yea her too,” I am thinking wtf, cant believe he said that. Then when we got in the car, my mom said, “That was a miracle, so thank God. I am thinking to myself, that’s not a miracle, maybe she has a kind heart, or maybe because two little children was also there and that made a difference.
Thanks Aron. Love your videos. edit: leaving work, so I am listing this as "Watch Later". Gonna be a nice reminder when I get on RUclips later tonight :D
14:48 One of the obituaries in my local hometown newspaper was very sad to read today. And it was pitiful to see the extent to which the parent would go to praise the Lord for their baby's untimely death and to make believe that the baby was carried away to heaven where they will see him again one day: "We don't always understand the Lord's ways. He has a purpose for all of us. On April 3, 2018, he needed my sweet baby boy ... The Lord wrapped him in His arms during his sleep and carried him to Heaven. [He] was beautiful, funny, sweet and so smart to be only six weeks old. You could see in his eyes he was an old soul. He had been around this world before and his purpose was to show his daddy and I what unconditional love is. He was here to bring joy and laughter to everyone who got to know him. Most of all, he was a snuggler. [He] was the best baby you could ask for. He didn't cry or fuss and loved to eat. That's why God gave him to us, to show us how beautiful life could be if our hearts are open to it. [He] was too perfect for this earth. He served his purpose here and God gave him his wings to remind his daddy and I to live our lives so we can see him again some day."
I can understand people wanting to find comfort in the face of such tragedy. I don't believe their baby went to Heaven, but I believe when such things happen, we all have an important lesson to learn from it. No matter how bad things get, each of us is lucky to be able to experience life and make it as far as we do. In the grand scheme of the universe, we'll all pretty much be right behind that baby in giving up our lives to make room for the next lives.
The better question is why can Jesus turn water into wine but cannot forgive sins without a bloody sacrifice. I would feel bad for any Christian debating you but considering the damage religion does I am all good with it.
Ferrari King Recently I had the thought, is it accurate to say God or Jesus forgave sins? Isn't the story about God receiving the ultimate blood sacrifice he apparently felt he was owed? We always hear Christians say Jesus payed for our sins. Wouldn't true forgiveness be God simply forgiving and not demanding anything? I paid my car off last year after five years. Was that Wells Fargo forgiving my debt?
Ferrari King I would debate AronRa... but my stance is that the universe is a sorta physical oxymoron created by the One True God...whos standard is Faith ...which is the evidence of things not seen. And that even though by sight we see "the big bang story" ....by Faith we Christians know that we know that it all happened just as God said it did in the good ole biblio ox·y·mo·ron ˌäksəˈmôrˌän/ noun a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction (e.g., faith unfaithful kept him falsely true ).
Not literally, but wine was poured onto the altar. Leviticus 23:13 "Its grain offering shall then be two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, an offering by fire to the Lord for a soothing aroma, with its drink offering, a fourth of a hin of wine." You could think of the grain and animal sacrifices as God's "food" and the wine libation poured on the altar as his "drink." Of course if you consider Jesus to be "God", then wine was served at the Last Supper.
That's what I never understood, God controls everything, so everything bad that happened (Lucifer banished for envy, Eve ate the damn fruit, etc...) Is his fault by default.
David Lucas Christians pray to an omniscient/omnipotent deity who knew the outcome from before the beginning, accepts no responsibility for his actions, yet punishes unrepentant sinners for what he knew they would do...as he set everything into motion. Yeah...it's all a joke. : )
David Lucas Christians will say that 'free will' is the origin of evil. What will is free from or how free will creates natural disasters, they haven't explained to me yet.
Great conversation stopper isn't it? How dare you question God? More like how dare you question me or my religious leader/in group. I was recently told I was going to Hell by my aunt when I told her I was an atheist. I was like wtf?! Yeah that was fun.
Jennifer Havard Your aunt was right I am afraid. All of you here are part of what the bible said would happen...the falling away...which comes before the man of sin is revealed. I questioned God back in the day...but then I decided to humble myself and ask HIM for answers not other people. People don't have all the answers, people are misled. If you seek God with an honest heart, He will hearken unto you and give you more than you could ever imagine. But if you are proud and boastful, saying, come on God, show yourself, He will not hearken unto you. Simple as that!
voodootree Then why is your name voodootree? Do you pray to the dead? Or do you just think having "voodoo" in your name sounds edgy? Go tell that to people who conjure up demons...go tell them the spiritual realm is not real. They will be quick to prove you otherwise.
I've been a life-long atheist even before I knew what that was. Please don't presume to lecture me/preach to me about something so absurd especially without knowing me or my family. It is an insult to logic and decency. What is simple about giving into delusions of grandeur that no one can verify?
@@Pinko-Diamond It's good but primus did not do it He just sang the lead vocals read the footnotes It's preformed by Festus clamrod and The El Sobrante Twangers
I remember asking about the water-to-wine miracle when I was younger. At least in my case, the pastor was intellectually honest enough to admit that they simply saw it as a matter of faith and that they simply believed it was a miracle that had no scientific explanation.
@ Event Horizon That is true. I personally am a buddhist with deist leanings but I admit there is no scientific evidence for the existence of god so it is a personal belief that I hold rather than any objective truth. Evolution, on the other hand, has multiple branches of science confirming its existence and occurrence.
Hey Aron! Doubt you will ever actually see this but what the hell, I'll give it a go anyway: 1) In my opinion: it seems far more likely that the idea of God(s) like *originated* in the mind of people with schizophrenia. Here are a few of the reasons I think so: • I've known many schizophrenic people & literally every single 1 of em (that I've known) has attributed at least 1 of the voices they hear to a god, some also heard a devil. Some also had visual hallucinations of gods/devils. • In some cultures, even today though more so in the past, people with schizophrenia (and sometimes certain types of epilepsy too) are/were considered "more spiritually aware" • Talking, burning bush. Self explanatory. • Don't recall chapter, verse, names, etc but do recall the bible referring to a prophet's visions as violent and painful (sounds like epilepsy to me) °As an aside, there is at least 1 type of epilepsy that causes the person to feel/experience something like a connection to god...very vaguely recalling hearing about it long ago and thus dont recall the details well at all, sorry! Shouldn't be too hard to google though. • The people Ive known with schizophrenia believe the voice they hear is really god, so much so that one of em (my bestfriend & first love/crush) actually killed herself when she heard gods voice telling her there was a war happening in heaven and they needed more fighters or hell would win and the world would end. She literally killed herself to save the world. • It'd explain why there are priests, leaders, etc/why god(s) only speak to or show to certain individuals. Started off as those who actually heard/saw and eventually became what we have now. • The book of Revelations. Enough said/self explanatory. • It'd explain why there are so many different religions as well as why most religions have had some sort of anthropomorphic spirit/being that speaks to people and created everything. As far as I know, schizophrenia effects all ethnicities. And prior to knowing what we now know about schizophrenia schizophrics would have had to come up with their own explanations. Naturally, those around em would have asked for the answers to the questions we all have: where'd everything come from? why do we get sick/die? what's it like after death? etc. °Also explains why the answers given are never correct. • I have quite a few more reasons but will instead wrap up with: Someone who really and truly believes what they're saying is, IMO, far more likely to take whatever steps necessary to convince others than someone who knows they made it up & simply like the idea. (I realize it happens but to me it seems less plausible than the idea I'm putting forth here... ...perhaps that's just my bias showing though: I thought of this hypothesis years ago and was astounded I'd never heard anyone else pose this as a possibility when it seems so incredibly obvious, to me, that schizophrenia is likely the source of the various religions¹ 2) Love your videos and talks, thanks for taking the time, making the effort & sharing your knowledge & opinions with the rest of us. ~Lady (sorry so long! I suck at being concise!) ¹I've been telling others my hypothesis for well over 14years now and have since heard others repeat it/bring it up, whether that's because others also shared my hypothesis or because they came to the idea on their own, obviously I have no way of knowing and it doesn't much matter anyhow.
It could be a sort of fusion of schizophrenia and our long tradition of telling tall tales about things we don't understand. We'd make up stories, then crazy people would become convinced the stories were actually real because they'd start hearing voices of the characters.
MegaChickenfish Yes, absolutely! That's exactly what I was hoping to imply/leave room for by making "originated" stand out. I think its likely the initial idea(s) were sparked by people who really heard and saw things no one else could see/hear........and then people did what they do: exaggerate, twist, mangle, manipulate to serve ones own interests, etc.
MegaChickenfish Ha! I totally misread your comment a minute ago, oops! I think it more likely it was the other way around. Schizophrenic hearing voices commanding them to do X, Y, Z and to get others to do the same. • In the christian bibles the god originally says he doesn't have a name, instead his name is "I am" etc.... In my mind, it all adds up in that order, not so much the other way around. Schizophrenic people hearing and seeing things, conveying it to others and morphing from there. =)
Matthew Lee 1) I said the idea likely *ORIGINATED* with schizophrenics. Its not like ALL those civilzations, cultures, societies were isolated from one another. Much like the idea of addition occurred to someone at some point and mathematics evolved and spread from there, perhaps many "theres". 2) For the areas that were isolated, by your own statistics they would have had 1% of their population that had schizophrenia... where's the problem exactly? 3) The placebo effect doesn't just work with medicine, we can fool ourselves into all sorts of real, physical effects just by believing something. There's your personal experience, in my opinion.
Matthew Lee Yes, I realize that some societies were isolated from others, hence the all caps "ALL" in my previous comment: "It's not like ALL of those civilizations, cultures, societies were isolated from one another" I think perhaps you are letting your bias interfere with your understanding and/or willingness to consider my hypothesis. I am not a historian, nor theologian but as I recall the creation myths and religions that actually did develope in isolation were dramatically different from those that would have had some, even if limited, contact at various points throughout history. As for Mohammed, I'm not convinced such a person ever existed, let alone did all they say he said and did. And the foundations of that particular religion originated LONG before he was supposed to have existed anyhow. That's why its considered one of the Abrahamic religions, bc its origins were in Judaism. And there's plenty of evidence suggesting Judaism borrowed quite a lot of its ideas from other religions. Regardless, my hypothesis is that in the areas where religions/creation myths (referring to those with anthropomorphic supernatural beings) actually did *ORIGINATE* in isolation it likely stems from a person with schizophrenia. Please note, my hypothesis says *ZERO* about religion today. Much like pretty much everything else in the universe, religions have evolved throughout history. I am talking about the ORIGINAL CONCEPT(S) and NOT what happened thereafter.
I understand the whole golem thing but citizen x says that the idea of god is older. It possibly comes from the evolutionary advantage of recognizing other people have minds. If you treat people like a prop or an inanimate object you tend to do as you please regardless of what they might think. If they have something you want you take it. If they are in your way you push them out of the way and so on. People don't put up with being treated like objects and retaliate.. those who evolved empathy and compassion had a better evolutionary advantage. We are a social species which relies on others for survival thus those going solitary die off, those with sociopathic disorders die off, and those with severe autism struggle to incorporate into society. If we stopped at that we'd be just fine.. it would basically be secular humanism. Also a lot of this may be way older than humans... chimps are social too. Since people were ignorant and surviving simply by agency detection perhaps things they didn't know also had some consciousness too? So some people gave the clouds, trees, rocks, stars, fertility and everything else they couldn't understand a human like consciousness.. This is basically animism .. inorganic matter has animal minds too. As time went on they then questioned their own existence and stuff like the clay figurines and the zodiac (patterns of stars, seasons, and so on) were incorporated. Air was something we needed to breath and became the spirit or the breath of life. As more time went on all of these things became more and more human like.. Some were a combination of animals and humans but many were basically just humans. This is polytheism.. such as Sumerian, Egyptian, Greek and Norse mythologies for the abrahamic religions. They couldn't possibly worship all of these so maybe just a few were important. For Greeks you have Zeus, Hades, Poseidon, Aphrodite, Athena, and so on but no temples to Atë. In canaanite myth you have El, Yahweh, Asherah, Ba'al, and Molech. In Egypt you have Osiris, Horus, Isis, Ra, Anubis. Gradually 1 god is worth worship but the others still exist.. As seen in the bible. You can't have any gods before Yahweh but they all certainly exist. And then you have the idea of only 1 god. Yahweh becomes the only god and gradually becomes invisible and all knowing. As time goes on the Jews were being promised Canaan but they kept being defeated and had numerous human messiahs to save them from Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome but they inevitably all failed... but the spiritual messiah Jesus if he was written into history and Romans can join they could eventually get free from persecution which they did.. The modern denominations come later.. People certainly didn't all practice the same christiany before the ecumenical councils and literacy to read the bible. The mixing of religions is obvious too.. much of genesis is Sumerian myth, many of the laws come from Sargon and Hammurabi, and a mythical Egyptian Mises. The city of Jericho being built by a demigod from another religion. The idea of a bad god. The idea of an eternal pit of fire. Tartarus + second death + Hades + dante's inferno. Some accept science when it doesn't apply to god and some avoid evidence about anything so they can believe the world is flat and 6000 years old in which vaccines cause autism.
Dustin Furness in a nutshell : agency detection led humans to see motivated agency everywhere. This is called "agenticity". Agenticity led to animism, which evolved eventually to polytheism and henotheism and then the universe itself was given agency and evolved into modern monotheism, where God is the ultimate agent. :)
munstrumridcully and then some people gave up on the interactive gods and held onto deist gods, mathematical higher power, and godless supernatural idea. Some people got this close to reality without putting the pretend away completely while the most irrational insist on an interactive god perhaps with a dying and rising god man. And apparently some are so devoutly certain of bullshit being true that they'll insist the Earth is flat... I actually had a one sided conversation with a flat earther... "how can you say that, your wrong, and just stop it" were her responses spelled and punctuated the same. Even when I told her maybe I'm wrong, show me the truth, she just said "wow, why don't you delete your account" .... emotions over intelligence ... ignorance is bliss and I guess that's the motto they live by
Dustin Furness indeed, emotions over reason. I hate it, but understand that it fits with how humans are wired psychologically. We seek security and comfort over reality...
munstrumridcully Exactly! Humans fear death and the unknown. I understand why we turn to these things because it brings us comfort. We want to know that death is only temporary and that we’ll see our loved ones. But that’s why it’s so important to treasure these things now because life is short.
Dean Ocque So did Primus ;) (Charlie Daniels band did it better, but I only accept the version with"I told you once you sonofabitch, I'm the best that's ever been" as opposed to the version where SOB is replaced with "sonofagun". I boycott the PC sanitized version!)
@Blaster Master seems like it says its a lot of praising god "in person" and eating with god in person. Mostly just worshipping god though. But hey, the scenery's supposed to be super nice
He attacks religion with his underrated jokes, puns and smart ass jokes. If he is so great then why is he not attacking the stupidity of sciences theories or maybe the monkey he came from didn't provide the gene for him to do this. I challenge him to prove the theory of Dark Matter, Quantum Physics or the Big Bang with the same tenacity he attacks Religion and see what happens........he cannot do it and will not even try because he would be a laughing stock! I have been waiting for way over 20 years for someone to explain to me how nothing creates something from these theories and have yet found not even a good excuse.....he's just trying to be another Christopher Hitchens , wonder where he is now just rotting flesh, maybe Hell? but only he knows and he can't run his smart mouth anymore.
I remember as a second grader in Catholic school not believing these stories but I knew better than to ask a nun how this could be true. Oh my gosh they were mean!
At 7 years old preparing for my first communion the nun was explaining how Jesus was present in the host in a real way. I asked her then if that were true wouldn't I hurt him when chewing the wafer? She got angry and thought I was being a smart ass but I was sincerely concerned 😟. Having grown up and realizing how many ridiculous things I was taught to believe it makes me Smile whenever I recall this 😊.
@@theresewalters1696 I think back on all that too and realize how crazy it all was. I remember the nuns telling us all the boys were going to be priests and all the girls were going to be nuns. I was terrified!
The word god is used as if the thing exists. Perhaps it would be better when we refer to the idea, that we say just that: the idea of god. After all, until it shows up and proves its existence, it is just an idea. How about ideaty instead of deity? The language is important. Talking about god sounds like it exists, but if referred to as the idea of god it is being called what it actually is: a concept only.
Or, rather than make up new words that have to be constantly explained and justified, just take care to refer to it as A god. Not the god, or God, or GOD, but just another god. There are thousands of them. It's nothing special.
@@MikkoKuusirati Understood...I agree, there are thousands of them, but they are all ideas unless demonstrated otherwise. Too often, it is too easy to use the noun, since nouns name things, but they also name ideas. I wish the language gave us the option of referring to nouns representing real things, vs. non real things or ideas.
@@jeanettecook1088 Hey now, that's kinda throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Ideas are IMPORTANT. Lots of things that are real and true are ALSO "just ideas" - skepticism, humanism, compassion, curiosity, mathematics, science, in fact everything that doesn't exist in a discrete form external to our thoughts. (Technically, the IDEA of gods is ALSO real, in that the idea itself demonstrably exists, albeit not true, in that it's extremely unlikely to be representative of reality.) Some specific ideas can be wrong or dishonest, sure, but there's nothing wrong or inherently false about ideas IN GENERAL.
@@MikkoKuusirati I didn't say ideas aren't important. I would merely like to have a way in language, when discussing ideas, to distinguish idea-nouns representing real things, vs. nouns that don't....thus the use of qualifiers. I won't get my wish, but that's OK.
@@jeanettecook1088 Sure, I getcha. But isn't "abstract" a perfectly good qualifier for that? Or "mythical", "imaginary", "false", "make-believe", "pretend", "spurious" etc. depending on the exact nuance you're going for. No reason to confine yourself to one single word when a short phrase expresses your intended meaning more accurately and concisely, I should think?
A lot of stories in the bible are exaggerations of natural events. The story of mountains leaping into the sea could be a retelling of the explosion of the volcano that formed the island of Santorini where the top of the cone blew off and into the sea. The story of Lot is a description of a rift valley volcanic eruption and Lot's wife turning into a pillar of salt is like the people in Pompeii enclosed in volcanic ash.
Mark Dichter The story of Lot's wife originates in the extremely high salt content of the Dead Sea (the lake on whose shores Sodom was located). As the water evaporates it leaves strangely shaped salt deposits on its shores - some of which resemble human figures. To me that's the most likely origin of legend of a person turning into salt in this particular location. I've been to the shores of the Dead Sea and the tour guides routinely point out salt deposits that could be "Lot's wife." I agree about the Santorini volcanic eruption possibly inspiring some bible stories. For example, the dust could have turned the Nile red and led to the story of it "turning into blood."
I agree with you as I too have been to the dead sea. The blood nile could have also been cause by a red algae bloom which would kill the fish and cause some of the other plagues.
I watched an interesting documentary about the Ten Plagues of Egypt, the whole idea was that instead of being supernatural miracles, they were scientifically explainable natural phenomena, caused by a massive environmental disaster: A colossal volcanic eruption near Greece and Italy (I forget the volcano's name by Mark Dichter might well be talking about the same one) which spewed clouds of ash and dust that covered vast areas of land, including Egypt. This effects of this event were purported to last over a period of 3 years or so (give or take) The river of blood would not have been blood, but the volcanic dust dissolved in the water, giving it a red colouration. The dead fish would be the result of the water now being polluted with toxic ash. The frogs would be forced out of the water, unable to tolerate the conditions in the river. They would be unable to return and eventually dry out and die. The flies and other insects would be attracted by the dead frogs and fish. Insect populations would soar, unchecked by the now dead frogs. The dead fish and frogs would start to putrefy under the heat and rot, flies would carry the disease, which would spread to the livestock (There are flies in Egypt that can spread disease through biting animals). Those cattle spared by disease would die from dehydration, unable to drink the toxic water. Now the boils could be put down to disease, but here is where it gets interesting, according to the documentary, there are medical records of Egyptian people being treated for painful boils with a collection of different ingredients mixed together to form an alkaline paste. In addition, the records contain reports that the Egyptians started suffering from these boils soon after contact with riverwater. Finally, along with dust, volcanoes eject vast amounts of gases into the atmosphere, including hydrogen sulphide, which can dissolve in water to form sulphuric acid. A conclusion that can be drawn from this is that the waters of the Nile were acidified, the boils may in fact have been chemical burns. The thunder and hail storms can be easily explained. You have a massive volcanic eruption spewing out massive amounts of ash, that is going to have a persistent knock on effect on the environment, resulting in inclement weather including rain, lightning and thunder. Locusts can be attracted by changes in weather, their eggs can remain dormant and hatch under the right conditions. The inclement weather brought about by the volcanic eruption may serve as a catalyst for the arrival of locusts. 3 days of darkness is also easily explained, a thick, expansive volcanic ash cloud will block out the sun. Even ordinary clouds can do that. The firstborns death, while perplexing, isn't an enigma. First, bear in mind that the locusts would naturally swarm and devour the Egyptian's crops en masse. In order to stave off famine, the people would have to resort to grain stores instead. One hypothesis is that the grain was contaminated with ergot, which is more likely to grow at the onset of spring or in periods of rainfall. Crops that were harvested during the rainy periods would have been more likely to have greater concentrations of ergot fungus. Second, it is important to understand at this point that in Egyptian culture, the first-born son is paramount. In a famine type situation, the first-born would get priority access to the food stores, other family members would get scraps or nothing. Thus, it would be mainly the firstborns eating ergot-ridden food. Thirdly, ergot poisoning will fuck you up something fierce. Symptoms varied, but included: - fever - nausea and vomiting - hallucinations and irrational behaviours - muscle spasms, tremors, convulsions and seizures - muscular enfeeblement, restricted blood flow due to severe vasoconstriction, possibly leading to gangrene. - unconsciousness and death If it didn't kill you, you may wish it had. Though many of the firstborn children would be killed by this, not all would actually die. Some may have survived the ordeal as ergot poisoning is not invariably fatal. Others may not have eaten contaminated food, as it wouldn't all be infected. At this point, the standard, age-old human storytelling devices come into play. Embellishment, exaggeration, fabrication etc. 'Many of the firstborns' would progress to 'Most of the firstborns' then, with enough time & retelling, 'All of the firstborns'. I may have misremembered some details, or not explained it as well as I could have done, but all in all, I found that documentary gave an interesting and rational explanation of how these events could feasibly have taken place.
I do enjoy listening to these presentations wish I was as eloquent when talking with religious people about evolution and stuff but their wilful ignorance just makes me so damn angry!
Maybe but shellfish doesn't pop out of water, and it's not like they didn't know shellfish, or didn't know they were living things. Many passages in the old testament forbid shellfish consumption. Maybe this is why they despised shellfish, they didn't have the breath of life. It's important that we understand this before a fundamentalist brings it up calling bs on our understanding of their myths.
Ancient civilization didn't know oxygen was even a thing. I really wanna know how they interpreted aquatic beings if they believed air was spirit. Fish had no spirits?
judging by aaron's demeanor the talk either wasn't set up in a favorable way or he didn't think the attendees were getting the point. he was particularly nervous on this one, maybe it wasn't rehearsed enough? he gets back into the swing of it most of the way through.
"It is possible to kill an immortal if you do it right!" The light novel/anime series "Baccano" had one of the more creative ways of killing an immortal--only another immortal can kill one, and they kill them by assimilating them with their right hand. In the process, they also absorb their knowledge and memories.
I realy like this channel. Reason over dogma. Also a fellow Texan and it's difficult to have that view because of all of the people thumping their bible in your face. Keep up the good work.😊
Mr Ra, Im so tired of tolerating christians about why i did not have children cause i was physically unable to. Really I chose to have 2 abortions because my doctor told me abortion was needed because i was taking drugs for bipolar and the meds caused several birth defects and that pregnancy was dangerous to my mental well being as well. I really hate such ppl causing women to put their lives in danger because of their small minded beliefs.
Finally, someone, of course Aron Ra, how very human the god of the bible was. I get so sick of apologists positing a god that is "spaceless, timeless and eternal, plus being omni everything. That sure isn't the god their favorite book describes. Plus it changes, evolves, I'd say, as you read from beginning to end. 👍🤎💞✌😷🎃
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People might listen to this man and say how bleak. How depressing. But no. How realistic. How honest. How comforting. Now let's get to enjoying life and treating those we love with the utmost care.
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You know believers taught that life here in earth is nothing you have to prepare for the forever afterlife so they don't really care about what mess and disaster they made in this earth as they won't live here forever but their offspring will suffer. Is just funny well glad i am not but yeah looking at the world now people destroy the nature to get temporary satisfaction and it will never be attained as happiness can't present without willing to acknowledge the suffering.
Bang on the money. I like to think that god kills our penchant for marvelling at the natural world - that wonderful line in Jurassic Park "Life finds a way" can be emasculated by the notion "oh yeah. God did that. Isn't he clever?"
I can't turn water into wine.
I can only turn wine into piss.
Keep trying!
@@things_leftunsaid I don’t think that’s how logic works lmao
@@fossilfountain probably good enough for a religious person
I question your faith./s
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Freya. The goddess of love and war. If you can’t lay ‘em, slay ‘em.
You're saying Donald J Trump is the reincarnation of Freya?
You are funny try on stage acting and see where it gets you lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,@
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@@bdf2718 he'd be saying bill Clinton is freya I think
4:09 AronRa, I can't imagine how proud you must have felt when your son asked that question and felt relieved at your answer. The apple doesn't seem to have fallen far from the tree.
Opened the video as fast as a televangelist opens your wallet
What does KMart and a Catholic Priest have in common?
They both have boys pants half off.................
I'll bet you're so fast, you're also fast asleep. :)
Spartan not _my_ wallet ;)
Darren Simes awwww ! Funny, but makes me a bit queasy :)
What's the difference between a priest and a prostitute? They're both paid to sell fantasies, but the priest is tax-payer funded!
........science flies you to the Moon..........religion flies you into buildings.............
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...Using planes science built
@Lucas Bianchi and neither can religion 🤔
@@SomeGal6637 Hm I wonder why...
@@gregoryt8792 Anybody that ''still believes'' that our Earth is only 7000 years old, built in 6 days by some-guy-in-the-sky are PART OF THE PROBLEM !....(sidebar: the guys that wrote the ''bible'' had no clue where our Sun WENT AT NIGHT).....dooooh !
19:00 I saw a story on you tube recently about a dog who protected his owner's child by getting between the child and a rattle snake. The dog was bitten, but the owners had time to get the child out of the way.
The owners then rushed the dog to the vet where it was treated fro the snake bit and made a full recovery.
Then, instead of praising the dog for it's self sacrifice, the video praised God for making the dog protect the child.
I pointed out, if God could make the dog risk its own life and get an incredibly painful snake bite, who couldn't he control the snake and just make it avoid the yard with the child in it? I speculated that had God done that the humans would not have known God intervened on their behalf, and the only reason God could have had to use the dog instead was so the people would know he helped them. In other words, God hurt their dog because he wanted to show off.
It's like the guy who sets fire to a school so he can be seen as a hero who rescued the children.
So ether there is no God, or God is the worlds biggest prick.
Boy, they didn't like my comment one bit.
*Update:* I am blown away at the comments my point here has generated. Plenty agree with me, but of those who don't, not one has offered a sound reason as to why God would control the snake to protect the family. Many seem to think I am saying God exists, I'm not, I'm pointing out that the place the "thank God" crowd is headed. There are two possibilities here. The snake, dog, and family members were all working on their own trying to accomplish whatever goals they had in mind. The dog sees the snake, knows it is a threat to his family and, on his own volition places himself between the threat and his family. The dog did this because the *DOG* wanted to do it, or at least wanted to protect his family.
In this case it is the *DOG* who should be thanked, because God had no part in it (assuming he exists at all)
The other option is that God takes control of the dog and FORCES the dog to protect the family. But if this is what happened, God would still not deserve any thanks, in fact, he deserves scorn because he could have saved the family bu controlling the snake instead. But if he had made the snake go away, no one (not even the dog) would have known it was ever there. If God's goal was to be seen as a hero, he hurt the dog to show off. If his goal had been to protect the family, then he should have controlled the snake.
Eric Taylor Agreed. God actually admits to this behavior in the bible. He hardens Pharaoh's heart so he can show off his magic powers of controlling nature. In fact he sent the Israelites into Egypt in the first place so he could later boast about rescuing them!
Eric Taylor 😂
It’s called Munchausen-By-Proxy.
The god of the bible does like to swing his dick around doesn't he.
Such very human emotions for a deity. One could almost imagine it was merely invented by other more primitive and superstitious human beings.
How thinking adults can manage to convince themselves of such nonsense is always a surprise to me.
" In other words, God hurt their dog because he wanted to show off.
It's like the guy who sets fire to a school so he can be seen as a hero who rescued the children."
Or the guy that unleashes the giant bowling ball shaped robot to destroy the city so he can come in with the wrist-mounted disabling device to con people into thinking he's a hero, but was only stopped at the last minute by The Incredibles.
"how can god be universal if he's not even global?" -Aronra
Muzaffar, prove it.
What's holding me together are fundamental forces of nature that exist without intelligence (mainly strong and electo-weak forces).
But if what you wrote is true, then your god is responsible for immense pain and suffering. So there's no way you can defend that he "loves" us. In fact, the bible descries the most evil and incompetent being ever recorded.
Muzaffar Krylov- What's funny about that is, Brian the King of the Leprechaun's power holds you together as you laugh at Him. He loves you that much and He knows exactly what you're going through at every single moment of your life. He has counted every hair on your head and He knew you before the foundations of this Earth was created. My friend, try to remember who you are....
Better or worse?
So he knew PEOPLE before they were born, but didn't know many of their QUESTIONS and views of contradictions enough to give a public answer? Without major, ambiguous cross-referencing to verses?
fish fossils on mountains prove Noah's flood
he's omnipotent which means he is everywhere all the time
"By denying scientific principles, one may maintain any paradox" -Galileo
I think you mean by using false scientific principles (or theories) we can make up and lie about anything but yet prove nothing like the big bang theory .....in 1974 Mr Billy Preston wrote a song that should explain that easy....Nothing from Nothing leaves Nothing you gotta have something......etc.
@@void4256 Oh wow, a strawman argument. You know absolutely nothing about what you're talking about whether it be the your incorrect use of the word theory or purposely taking a quote out of context to try to prove your "nothing begets nothing" point. And even if scientists eventually discover a better model than the big bang, it does not mean the only other option is that your magical sky fairy did it. You're a sad little ape who has deluded himself and been deluded by others that a magic man that you can't see made you in his image and has a greater purpose for you. That's the epitome of arrogance if you ask me.
@@RandomAllenWell with all your supposedly great wisdom why don't you try and disprove a true GOD! Then turn around and try and prove a true GOD and let's see how far your self-centered stupidity can carry you...……...
@@void4256 you clearly dont know what a Scientific theory is.
I will stick with the truth and you keep your imaginary thoughts to your self.@@jeova0sanctus0unus
I had the same experience as Aron when I was a child, getting scolded by a priest for innocently asking for clarification on confusing elements of the bible... during a question & answer visit in class, no less!
I had never been yelled at by an adult authority figure until then. It was terrifying, but also baffling, and made me even more curious and doubting.
That’s not right for that priest to do that…and if you are apart of a church that does something like that, leave that church and find a new one…this experience is not a good reason not to believe in God and don’t have that experience as to think this is what Christians really are because that priest is not a good example and steward of God’s Word
@@cameronvandevelde4186 Gods “word” was written by man. Fallible, biased man.
@@cameronvandevelde4186 A wise deity would not allow mere fallible humans to speak for it. It would speak for itself, clearly and overtly.
@@cameronvandevelde4186 The not a real priest fallacy 🤣
I remember as a child asking questions and I remember seeing the Sunday school teacher struggling with the answers. Like he had never been asked or had thought about it. At the time I didn't have words for the confusion I felt, how Am I, A 7 year old asking a man who must have been 40ish and stumping him?
Grew up in Utah they have seminary in high school, I was 15 skipped once to go get a candy bar. The teacher threw me up against wall and screamed in my face about it. It was a total over reaction I knew I was done. Just played nice until I was 18 then I was outta that shit.
Such a good presentation deserves studio sound re-recording.
An interesting point I'd like to bring up is a time when my family went on vacation and at some Florida Chinese buffet they prayed for the meal as they always do. Some of our family later that day had food poisoning and felt sick and nauseous.
Well whats the f*cking point of praying for food if your prayers can't keep people from getting food poisoning?
""It was his will""
If it's his will then why bother praying for something your prayers won't change?
I haven't prayed for a meal in 6 years since I deconverted and you know what I've noticed?
Nothing changed. Food still nourishes me according to what I eat and junk food still makes me gain weight.
The most Christian nation on earth that prays more for their food than any other country still has the world's largest obesity problem.
The food ain't changing because you say some recitations over it.
Yes, its the typical religious response, when something good happens its "thank god!", and when something bad happens "it was god's plan, and we can't know god's reasons".
Its absurd, but people are so programmed with this type of rationale that they don't question it.
true.... to be honest , ther god if it was real it wouldet even need to do any big things when you think about it having empirical results from praying over food if you worshiped it would make more converts then anything else...be it people just wanting to avoid food poisoning , or eat extra bacon burgers to ther hearts content without getting weight.
@THEANSWER Right, praying before the meal is to thank god for food and everything else. Yet people die of starvation. I think god just doesn't love those people. He loves only those that pray to him, but he might still let them starve. In other words, prayer and god are both useless. And if he really throws people in hell for not believing, I will refuse to believe in principle, because I won't be bullied by a cosmic psychopath or anyone else.
Only a real weakling, with no sef-worth, bows to psychopathic abusers.
I gave a lady a car ride to the doctor's office a couple of days ago because she was lost and wanted directions. She kept saying "god bless you." I tried to tell her that we as people just need to look out for each other and help each other as often as we can. I was trying to get her to think that god had nothing to do with it without actually saying it. Not sure my point sank in. But she was very grateful so I let it be.
IF GOD IS GIVING YOU A RIDE AND NOT ME... THEN GTFO 🙂
Opened the video as fast as the abrahamic god contradicts itself
Thats not possible. You couldn't of done it within 6 days.
There is no such thing as opening a video instantly..
There are no contradictions, just your lack of understanding
+Josh Blacker
> I you ever find something that seems like a contradiction in the Bible, just remember what your pastor told you: "This is not a contradiction; this is... not a contradiction".
Pavel Rahl there are a over 800 supposed contradictions in the Bible, but when studied they all fall away, I dare you to study them in an unbiased way, and remember if there is a possible answer then it's not a contradiction
I'm fine with the idea of God existing outside of space and time. That means he exists nowhere, at no time.
@Event Horizon
We haven't seen a being of any nature or supernatural element, nor observed one in a seperate dimension, so my vote is they completely, and utterly do not exist. I doubt these beings could withstand the consequences of not existing in time, either.
@@jaredmccain7518 Except that we're pretty sure space and time are hopelessly linked, i.e. spacetime.
Jared McCain ??!?!???? ??????,
So does your theory of the big bang ...which takes space, time, and matter....but no great genius has been able to justify this theory.....answer your own question before condemning someone else's!
Bruce Geddings who are you talking to
Aron is truly the Man of great intelligence and knowledge!
I would argue that he is -a- man of great intelligence.
But ok... :)
Sure, but sometimes he is also a man of Delusions, like when he pulls out of his butt that Jews think or thought that God has a physical body xD
This contradicts every Jewish history/jewish philosophy scholar that ever existed in history. And he bases this kind of outrageous claim on his inability to read a text like the Bible in context and with knowledge of the culture from which it stems.
@@xyleblack2545 Romans 1:18-32, that discribes/covers it pretty well.
@@kevspeedruns9947 Wrote this to Xyle Black
Romans 1:18-32, that discribes/covers it pretty well.
@@kevspeedruns9947 I wonder why God then walks in the Garden of Eden in the cool of the day. How does he walk if he has no physical legs and a corporeal body that is pulled to Earth by gravity such that he can walk? And why would he choose to walk in the cool of the day, the most refreshing time for flesh-and-blood people to walk because they have bodies that enjoy the feeling of coolness after a warm Middle East day? How can God smell pleasing aromas of sacrifices if he has no body? How does he speak to Adam, Abraham, Noah and Samuel if he has no vocal cords? Each of those depictions in the OT can only be understood if you accept the fact that the Jews thought God had a body.
It was a blast having you in town
Milwaukee Atheists I wish I'd have known!
I wish I had known he was coming to WI. I'm up in Eau Claire but I would've made the drive in a heartbeat
@@nickwarner8158 ,
Do you believe in gravity??? You cannot "see" it, but you feel it's effects, right??? Defy it and you will die.
Now, you do understand we Catholics believe in a very "visible" GOD (Colossians 1:15-21) who walked among us, and whom impacted history so much that we determine time based off of His life, right???
Ultimately, what if someone could predict family lineage, how, when, where and the circumstances around your birth BEFORE your birth??? Would that be a mere "accident" to you or something "divine"???
Welcome to the logic, FACTS and TRUTH about Jesus Christ.
How about 355 prophecies fulfilled???
www.accordingtothescriptures.org/prophecy/353prophecies.html
The "odds" of a "man" fulfilling all these prophecies and resurrecting from the dead are about the same mathematical odds of this "cause and effect" universe happening by "accident".
What are the mathematical odds of just fulfilling "8" prophecies let alone 355???
ruclips.net/video/Za_eBcMsYl8/видео.html
@@onetruefaith2091 Looks like you somehow escaped from the asylum again.
@@rc7625
Which "belief" is more rational and logical???
Two people (one Christian the other Atheist) are walking through an apple orchard coming upon 377 apples "perfectly" in a row and "evenly" spaced apart on the ground.
The atheist, given their belief in spontaneous "accidents", concludes "nice accident" and continues walking. Obviously, not thinking anything more about it - as that is how he/she is brainwashed by their "secular" public education to believe.
On the other hand, the Christian sees the exact same 377 apples "perfectly" in a row and "evenly" spaced apart, and concludes "WHO IN THE WORLD DID THAT?"
Which has a more rational and logical conclusion???
Basic logic dictates behind "order" there has to be an "orderer". Behind every "building" you see is a "builder" you cannot see.
Behind something that is "moving" there is a "mover" - that "caused it" to move.
Behind an intelligent "design" is a intelligent "designer".
Now, let’s raise the spontaneous "accident" odds to absolute absurdity. For me to write this post I have 3 Billion DNA "perfectly" in a row and "evenly" spaced apart and for you to read this post right now you have 3 Billion DNA "perfectly" in a row and "evenly" spaced apart, so over 6 Billion DNA "ordered" and working !!!
Now, is that just a random "chance" and spontaneous "accident" to have 6 Billion DNA in a "row" to carry on this conversation???
www.genome.gov/25520880/deoxyribonucleic-acid-dna-fact-sheet/
evolutionnews.org/2018/04/yes-intelligent-design-is-detectable-by-science/
Even famous atheist Richard Dawkins has admitted DNA can "prove" intelligent design
ruclips.net/video/prFZTMIKOi4/видео.html
www.allaboutscience.org/intelligent-design.htm
Sorry, Evolution is a lie. The false theory should be DEAD/EXTINCT by "real" scientists:
ruclips.net/video/4wCxkBnm3ow/видео.html
Evolution is spread from a Masonic lie:
ruclips.net/video/66c03O4APJ4/видео.html
What are the "odds" of even one protein forming "accidentally" completely forgetting about even more complex "LIFE"???
ruclips.net/video/W1_KEVaCyaA/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/yBEwgdCHUWo/видео.html
Now is athiestic evolution or spontaneous "accidents" really a logical and rational conclusion???
Please get to KNOW the supreme "orderer" of this universe, and what He expects out of your life to find "TRUE LIFE".
Now, I recommend you watch former atheist Lee Strobel's "Case for the Creator".
ruclips.net/video/ajqH4y8G0MI/видео.html
Then listen or read Josh McDowell's "Evidence Demands a Verdict".
ruclips.net/video/HRemWMIy2IY/видео.html
Please follow the "evidence", facts, real science and "TRUTH" right into the ONE and ONLY established Church of Jesus Christ being the ONE HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.
May GOD open your eyes and heart guiding you to TRUTH HIMSELF Jesus Christ (John 14:6).
www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html
www.magiscenter.com,
When he talks about how god does things, it reminded me of a story from my 6th grade science class in a Catholic school, and we were supposed to explain how something, I don't recall what, works. I couldn't remember the answer, I started writing (in pen) and realized I was wrong, tried again, realized I was wrong, and tried again - each time hurriedly scribbling out the former answer. Finally, I just wrote (being the smart ass I was) "Because God wills it." My teacher had a sense of humor, and when I got the test back, she had written - "God also wills neatness and organization." It was only much later that I realized that, in a Catholic school, my answer should have been correct.
*SO YOURE AN ADULT and YOU STILL HAVENT FIGURED OUT THAT CATHOLICISM and CHRISTIANITY have NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER?*
@@thetruthchannel349 go back on your meds
@@lengray44 *THAT WILL NOT MAGICALLY TURN YOUR FEELINGS into FACTS NO MORE THAN IT WILL ENABLE YOU TO DEBATE ME ON ANY MATTER SUBJECT to FACTS and DATA, LITTLE ONE*
*THAT WAS OLE CANCER MAN HITCHENS BLIND SPOT I NEVER COULD FIGURE OUT. HIS ENTIRE PREMISE HE SPENT HIS ENTIRE LIFE BITCHING ON and ON and ON and ON ABOUT. WAS WRONG. WASTED HIS ENTIRE LIFE.*
DELETE IT AGAIN ERONEOUS. YOU SCARED COWARD ASS DRUNK.
@@thetruthchannel349 Coward? You are talking insanely to a deadman. Like I said, get back on your meds.
Aaron you’ve helped me so much. Thank you for your dedication and intelligence you are an amazing man!
I’m so glad we live in a country where it’s unconstitutional to teach science fiction in the science classroom. I constantly have to explain to students why a god or gods do not count as a scientific explanation. And that’s because there is no imperial evidence of the supernatural. The scientific method is awesome and what scientists have learned about the nature of reality is much more impressive than the fictional stories.
Yes I’m from Central America they be trying to pour religion anywhere they can
I personally would ask them to try to convert me and point out all the problems when they bring it up, as respectfully as possible of course. Try to get them to think about the topic as much as possible.
im so glad i live in a country where students dont need that explained to them . Fiction being taught as science in school is the last step to fascist theocracy . If youre at the stage where indoctrinated students are constantly interrupting and needing dealt with then i wouldnt be thankful just yet . Its outside school that the real issue lies . Be wary .
Excellent talk! Keep them coming!
Thanks for doing what you do. You're honest educated activism surely inspires many others to do the same. Keep going.
I really enjoy your talks and presentations, and it's really nice of you to upload all of these here so people like me who don't have access to these kinds of conventions and conferences can benefit from them too.
Thanks God for Aron Ra ;)
LOL...that is the first youtube ad I watched all the way through...The Sasquatch ad.
Mr. Aron, recently came across your videos the other day and I'm impressed! Great to have such an intelligent and well spoken Atheist to represent us...not since the late GREAT Christopher Hitchens have I been so entertained.
I was raised Catholic and taught to worship "The Great Cloud GOD" and his magic Fairies...but since a young age had my questions but dare not ask as the Nuns would rather beat the fu*k out of a child than answer any logical question about "Belief"...guess I'm luck I wasn't molested.
Once programed from a young age, it did take years to become a true atheist...I gave you a thumbs-up and will subscribe.
Keep it up partner, we need more like you!
Exodus 20 versicle 19: And the Lord said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the people of Israel: You have seen for yourselves that I have talked with you from heaven with a decent microphone so it doesn't feel like I'm speaking from the bathroom"
:D
Unlike Sean Connery at the beginning of Highlander
Absolutely fantastic. Thank you EVER so much for this and everything else you do, and have done, and will do, Aron, for the poor human kind!!! D-E-E-P-L-Y appreciated.
Yes, we’re incredibly fortunate to have people like Aron amongst us on this earth, we’d probably still be stuck in the Middle Ages without them.
We must all aspire to be more like them and try to do for others what they’ve done for us, expanded our minds in the most beautiful and liberating ways, showing us how to destroy the shackles of indoctrination.
I will pray for you, they say, I will think for you, I say.
good one :) planning to use it in the future
@Urrcreavesh No, it's WAY worse.
The Templeton Foundation, a theistic research organization (no, really) actually did research the effects of prayer. And, credit where credit is due, they did actually go for the scientific approach. They selected a number of (christian) people who (IIRC) got a coronary bypass operation and divided them in three groups. The first group was prayed for and was informed that they were prayed for. The second received prayers but wasn't informed about it. And finally they had a control group that got no prayers for them.
If there was any merit to praying this would probably be a little bit unethical, but hey.
Also, they didn't just have anyone praying, they hired professionals. Nuns and priests of the relevant christian flavors (fitting the patient) were tasked with praying for the specific patients.
The patients who got prayers and weren't informed and the control group showed about the same amount of complications. So far, no surprise. The surprise was that the group that got prayed for and was informed about it had a statistically significant HIGHER amount of complications, probably due to the additional stress these patients received from thinking that their situation must be dire if there's already priests and nuns praying for their survival.
So please, DO NOT pray for me. Do you want to kill me?
@@0x777 I've quoted that study when fools on YT (Christians) say they'll pray for me when I diss them.
Can't wait to watch this video and your live non sequitur show tonight! Can't get enough of these videos! Keep them coming!
The audio is a little poor, but the message is very strong! Go Team Aron. :)
"Jesus cartoons" - Makes me very glad that we've raised our daughters with the various religions being taught (along with Tooth Fairy and Santa) as just interesting mythologies. They very much enjoy watching Veggie Tales - but in the same way they enjoy hearing about the Greek, Norse, and other stories.
@Robert Sallow literally like, Greek and Norse gods were written as flawed so the people could relate to them, then Christians wanted to one-up everyone like the kid on the playground like "acutally OUR god is perfect and can control everything and stuff only happens because he makes it happen and-"
Bugs bunny and friends were fun and interesting and I learned not to take a left turn at Albuquerque 😁
Damn I love these talks. Wish there were more!
I WANT MAOR!
MMMMMOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEE??????!!!!!!!??????????
Aww shucks, you're right. Wish I thought of that. Guess we're shit outta luck then.
Pray for moar brutha.
This post is 52 seconds old , 84 views, 18 likes and 3 comments already. The people love you AronRa!
*The Ignorant are always far more desirous than the learned*
@@thetruthchannel349 WTF?
@@thetruthchannel349 so are you saying people supporting Aron is evidence that his audience is ignorant simply due to his popularity?
@@mr.joesterr5359 *Your question makes absolutely no sense. It is unanswerable*
@@thetruthchannel349 what about it is unanswerable lmao. Seems pretty clear what my question is maybe you should take a little bit of time reading it again.
I love what you do, and I am a patreon. you are my high priest and my patreon contributions are my tithing :) You rock, AronRa!!
I just love listening to Aron Ra's talk set times and I have been fortunate enough to recently be able to buy myself a copy of his book foundational falsehoods of creationism. I haven't had much time to read it yet but from what I have read so far I can honestly say if there are any of you who are thinking of picking up this book it is well worth the read.
Excellent lecture as always.
Just about a minute into this and I had something of a revelation occur. Aron said that because he knew water was H2O when he was 8 yo, that he knew there was something up with the "water into wine" story. So his skepticism began early. Having heard him say similar things before it took until just now to realize that had he gotten a fundamentalist-home-school-pseudo-education rather than a decent science-based public school education to provide him with a base point for factual knowledge with which to compare impossible claims, that we may not have had one of rationality's & science's most staunch advocates & defenders. That so well punctuates why proper reality-based education is so damn important! Having read his book and watched most of his educational videos I can say from personal experience that his tireless efforts to promote the weighing of evidence paired with a reasoned approach to critical thinking would have been a great loss had his mind been closed by dogma before he was informed well enough to know better.
I was in the marines when I found out my daughter had a strange disease and died before I got out. If you believe in this gos, explain to me why a god would take someone's kid, why he would when they aren't even there for them. What kinda god is that sick.
I love to see and here this FreeThinker, FreeResearcher, FreePhilosopher and FreeBeër. Very refreshing. Really exceptional that the University of Wisconsin Milwaukee has an open mind to a human being like him expressing about the reality of living.
4:58 "a wild dog who just wishes shit into existence." 😂
Dog is God spelled backwards. One is man's best friend. The other his worst enemy.
@Les Brown Except when listening to Nickelback. Listening to Nickelback forwards curses you more than the Devil ever could listening to it backwards.
The dyslexic Atheist joke eh; didn't believe in Dog.
Good talk - wish the sound was better
Crappy talk - wish the sound provided better information
@@mrdgenerate Wow, you must be really smart.
Paul Blevins Refusing to listen and understand doesn’t mean it’s not true.
@@prodigalpaul1227 actually, from an intellectual stand point. This talk was incredible. Facts, exists, and sounds explanations.
Way better than a dude, in a dress, talking about his imaginary friend, and how we are created sick, then ordered to be well.
@@poozer1986 Just because the person says what you agree with doesn't mean the talk was "incredible." Tip your fedora at someone else.
3:36 I remember one day coming back home from church my mother asked if we enjoyed sunday school. Everyone but me said yes. Shocked she asked what i didnt like. I said, "The whole thing doesnt make sense, there is no Superman. Baffled she asked who i thought made the world. I said "I dont know" she replied then it had to be god. 6 year old me couldnt argue with that but was not persuaded.
It was a very good illustration when you used the example of planes stopping 10 feet from the buildings and slowly falling to the ground. I bet a lot of religous people prayed for something like that to happen.
Of the known attributes of God, you left out that he likes barbecue...well done.
If there were a god, Aron Ra's videos would all have good audio with sound equalization. Instead, we live in the real world, and are happy to accept that this just isn't going to happen. We deal with it, because it is real.
Comments from 15 hours ago. Why am I just now getting the notification for this video?
Solar DNA
patron supporters maybe? A lot of channels work that way; as a perk of being a supporter they get early access
I'm not a Patreon supporter (yet) but it was on his Patreon page for viewing last evening
UCS Collector... Damn it... I was about to accuse Australians, New Zealanders and Japanese of being extra about their time zone on YT. ;)))
Solar DNA me too man.
They don't want his noodleness to be heard
How dare you question God !!!!. He will send his shiny new weapons your way.
Easy, just have a chariot of iron. God can't deal with those.
John T. DiFool
Sounds just like any conventional car.
Imaginary news headline: "The Saviour descended to Earth today, but unfortunately landed on a busy highway."
Sir Quentin Crispy You can stop God's weapons with an Iron Charriot. (Judges 1:19)
Did he manage to get something that can defeat iron chariots?
Oh shit, we might have to use an actual tank with a cannon this time!
@@insylem Just make sure it has automatic gears! LOL
When they say "Don't judge a book by its cover" This is what they mean.
Just because Aron(or anyone else) looks like a heavy metal biker doesn't mean they aren't the smartest person in the room!
I have been down the RUclips rabbit hole and I love this guy I like how he talks and the knowledge he has! Atheist Punk
Excellent speech as usual!
Life really does make sense without religion. Durring the times of blind faith life was very confusing. People would always say prayer fix everything. But in the end I realize I had to fix anything that was broken in my life and that prayer had nothing to do with anything.
"A few pounds of ape meat going bad". Aron is such a romantic.
One interesting explanation for the "turning water to wine" trick is something my mum pointed out to me a little while ago: back in the day, before the art of wine making was properly researched and eventually perfected, they didn't filter out the fruit rests before the fermentation process. Instead, they left them in the barrel to ferment together with the rest. So one very simple way to "create" wine out of water... would be to simply fill water back into a decanter that has a bunch of those fruit rests in it, maybe because the barrel was almost empty or maybe the innkeeper was trying to scam his customers- either way, with wine that's barely stronger than 2-5% in the first place, you likely wouldn't notice the difference between actual wine and just water with grape stuff in it.
Yay! A new AronRa video!
6:36 "Movement of air was considered spiritual". Fun fact: The swedish word "andedräkt" (breath) would directly translated be "spirit costume". The finnish word "henki" means both breath and spirit.
You could say that religions seem to have a tendency of random mutations (translation errors, missing pages, …) and then the best stories are kept and propagate and get passed on ...
Recently I went grocery shopping and didn’t realize my debit card was canceled, so I kept taking food off so I can get some groceries. My uncle and my two little nieces were with me. When I got down to hardly any food and the clerk rang it up and I still didn’t have the funds, the clerk decided to pay for the food. When I thanked her, my uncle who stood right there blurted out, “You should be thanking God, not her,” then when she had this awkward look on her face, then he said, well yea her too,” I am thinking wtf, cant believe he said that. Then when we got in the car, my mom said, “That was a miracle, so thank God. I am thinking to myself, that’s not a miracle, maybe she has a kind heart, or maybe because two little children was also there and that made a difference.
You're straight to the point, thank you bro, keep up the good work!
Thanks Aron. Love your videos.
edit: leaving work, so I am listing this as "Watch Later". Gonna be a nice reminder when I get on RUclips later tonight :D
Luckily, when the words are good enough, the audio doesn't need to be.
“If god exists outside reality
Then god does not exist in reality”
“If god exists beyond time
Then at no time does god exist”
Beautifully said mr.Ra
14:48 One of the obituaries in my local hometown newspaper was very sad to read today. And it was pitiful to see the extent to which the parent would go to praise the Lord for their baby's untimely death and to make believe that the baby was carried away to heaven where they will see him again one day:
"We don't always understand the Lord's ways. He has a purpose for all of us. On April 3, 2018, he needed my sweet baby boy ... The Lord wrapped him in His arms during his sleep and carried him to Heaven.
[He] was beautiful, funny, sweet and so smart to be only six weeks old. You could see in his eyes he was an old soul. He had been around this world before and his purpose was to show his daddy and I what unconditional love is. He was here to bring joy and laughter to everyone who got to know him. Most of all, he was a snuggler.
[He] was the best baby you could ask for. He didn't cry or fuss and loved to eat. That's why God gave him to us, to show us how beautiful life could be if our hearts are open to it. [He] was too perfect for this earth. He served his purpose here and God gave him his wings to remind his daddy and I to live our lives so we can see him again some day."
I can understand people wanting to find comfort in the face of such tragedy. I don't believe their baby went to Heaven, but I believe when such things happen, we all have an important lesson to learn from it. No matter how bad things get, each of us is lucky to be able to experience life and make it as far as we do. In the grand scheme of the universe, we'll all pretty much be right behind that baby in giving up our lives to make room for the next lives.
What goes around may come around...
Excellent presentation, thank you.
“Devil went down to GA”. -Charley Daniel’s. (No big deal). Great presentation by Aron Ra.
Aaron never fails to get you to consider things differently in the most rational sense.
The better question is why can Jesus turn water into wine but cannot forgive sins without a bloody sacrifice. I would feel bad for any Christian debating you but considering the damage religion does I am all good with it.
Ferrari King Recently I had the thought, is it accurate to say God or Jesus forgave sins? Isn't the story about God receiving the ultimate blood sacrifice he apparently felt he was owed? We always hear Christians say Jesus payed for our sins. Wouldn't true forgiveness be God simply forgiving and not demanding anything? I paid my car off last year after five years. Was that Wells Fargo forgiving my debt?
The C.T.K. 1000 *paid
Ferrari King
I would debate AronRa... but my stance is that the universe is a sorta physical oxymoron created by the One True God...whos standard is Faith ...which is the evidence of things not seen. And that even though by sight we see "the big bang story" ....by Faith we Christians know that we know that it all happened just as God said it did in the good ole biblio
ox·y·mo·ron
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noun
a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction (e.g., faith unfaithful kept him falsely true ).
Because blood magic is OP. Duh.
because the Bible says redemption of our souls is costly. the fact that he was able to knock down the wall of separation from us and God is remarkable
35:53
Can someone please give me the bible reference of god drinking alcohol?
Not literally, but wine was poured onto the altar. Leviticus 23:13 "Its grain offering shall then be two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil, an offering by fire to the Lord for a soothing aroma, with its drink offering, a fourth of a hin of wine."
You could think of the grain and animal sacrifices as God's "food" and the wine libation poured on the altar as his "drink." Of course if you consider Jesus to be "God", then wine was served at the Last Supper.
Thanks for the clarification. Makes sense
Was quite compelling. I enjoyed every minute of this.
“How dare you question god!?” 😂😂😂
2 people pray to get the same job
who gets it
neither
they weren't qualified for the job.
johnny dark no it’s the third guy who happened to go to school and listen to get his degree
*Your point is>>>>>?*
@@thetruthchannel349 Change your channel name to "The Bullshit Channel".
@@mrmoth26 *oh shut it*
@@thetruthchannel349 *Why are you writing in bold text?*
That's what I never understood, God controls everything, so everything bad that happened (Lucifer banished for envy, Eve ate the damn fruit, etc...) Is his fault by default.
David Lucas Christians pray to an omniscient/omnipotent deity who knew the outcome from before the beginning, accepts no responsibility for his actions, yet punishes unrepentant sinners for what he knew they would do...as he set everything into motion. Yeah...it's all a joke. : )
Cant make an omelette with breaking some eggs
That's a great analogy, now I'm hungry.
David Lucas I wanted to name our bearded dragon Lucifer but my wife objected.
David Lucas
Christians will say that 'free will' is the origin of evil. What will is free from or how free will creates natural disasters, they haven't explained to me yet.
Great conversation stopper isn't it? How dare you question God? More like how dare you question me or my religious leader/in group. I was recently told I was going to Hell by my aunt when I told her I was an atheist. I was like wtf?! Yeah that was fun.
Years ago, I told an aunt that I'm an atheist. She said, "But, you believe in God, right?" After I stopped laughing I explained what atheism is.
I would have said, "how Christian of you...".
Jennifer Havard Your aunt was right I am afraid. All of you here are part of what the bible said would happen...the falling away...which comes before the man of sin is revealed.
I questioned God back in the day...but then I decided to humble myself and ask HIM for answers not other people. People don't have all the answers, people are misled.
If you seek God with an honest heart, He will hearken unto you and give you more than you could ever imagine. But if you are proud and boastful, saying, come on God, show yourself, He will not hearken unto you. Simple as that!
voodootree Then why is your name voodootree? Do you pray to the dead? Or do you just think having "voodoo" in your name sounds edgy?
Go tell that to people who conjure up demons...go tell them the spiritual realm is not real. They will be quick to prove you otherwise.
I've been a life-long atheist even before I knew what that was. Please don't presume to lecture me/preach to me about something so absurd especially without knowing me or my family. It is an insult to logic and decency. What is simple about giving into delusions of grandeur that no one can verify?
I love you man, but "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" was written by the Charlie Daniels Band, not Hank Jr. This was an unforgivable musical sin.
You would think that he would know that, considering he's from the south. 😂
primus's version is still the best.
@@Pinko-Diamond It's good but primus did not do it He just sang the lead vocals read the footnotes It's preformed by Festus clamrod and The El Sobrante Twangers
@geheimschriver he's definitely in Florida anyways
@@FortNite-fb5wm He takes trips to Texas occasionally from my experience here
I remember asking about the water-to-wine miracle when I was younger. At least in my case, the pastor was intellectually honest enough to admit that they simply saw it as a matter of faith and that they simply believed it was a miracle that had no scientific explanation.
@ Event Horizon That is true. I personally am a buddhist with deist leanings but I admit there is no scientific evidence for the existence of god so it is a personal belief that I hold rather than any objective truth. Evolution, on the other hand, has multiple branches of science confirming its existence and occurrence.
@ Event Horizon - True, I actually grew up in an evangelical, fundamentalist baptist church so I know how scary they can be.
Shortly after you were in Milwaukee is when I discovered you. Please come back soon.
Hey Aron! Doubt you will ever actually see this but what the hell, I'll give it a go anyway:
1) In my opinion: it seems far more likely that the idea of God(s) like *originated* in the mind of people with schizophrenia. Here are a few of the reasons I think so:
• I've known many schizophrenic people & literally every single 1 of em (that I've known) has attributed at least 1 of the voices they hear to a god, some also heard a devil. Some also had visual hallucinations of gods/devils.
• In some cultures, even today though more so in the past, people with schizophrenia (and sometimes certain types of epilepsy too) are/were considered "more spiritually aware"
• Talking, burning bush. Self explanatory.
• Don't recall chapter, verse, names, etc but do recall the bible referring to a prophet's visions as violent and painful (sounds like epilepsy to me) °As an aside, there is at least 1 type of epilepsy that causes the person to feel/experience something like a connection to god...very vaguely recalling hearing about it long ago and thus dont recall the details well at all, sorry! Shouldn't be too hard to google though.
• The people Ive known with schizophrenia believe the voice they hear is really god, so much so that one of em (my bestfriend & first love/crush) actually killed herself when she heard gods voice telling her there was a war happening in heaven and they needed more fighters or hell would win and the world would end. She literally killed herself to save the world.
• It'd explain why there are priests, leaders, etc/why god(s) only speak to or show to certain individuals. Started off as those who actually heard/saw and eventually became what we have now.
• The book of Revelations. Enough said/self explanatory.
• It'd explain why there are so many different religions as well as why most religions have had some sort of anthropomorphic spirit/being that speaks to people and created everything. As far as I know, schizophrenia effects all ethnicities. And prior to knowing what we now know about schizophrenia schizophrics would have had to come up with their own explanations. Naturally, those around em would have asked for the answers to the questions we all have: where'd everything come from? why do we get sick/die? what's it like after death? etc.
°Also explains why the answers given are never correct.
• I have quite a few more reasons but will instead wrap up with:
Someone who really and truly believes what they're saying is, IMO, far more likely to take whatever steps necessary to convince others than someone who knows they made it up & simply like the idea. (I realize it happens but to me it seems less plausible than the idea I'm putting forth here...
...perhaps that's just my bias showing though: I thought of this hypothesis years ago and was astounded I'd never heard anyone else pose this as a possibility when it seems so incredibly obvious, to me, that schizophrenia is likely the source of the various religions¹
2) Love your videos and talks, thanks for taking the time, making the effort & sharing your knowledge & opinions with the rest of us.
~Lady (sorry so long! I suck at being concise!)
¹I've been telling others my hypothesis for well over 14years now and have since heard others repeat it/bring it up, whether that's because others also shared my hypothesis or because they came to the idea on their own, obviously I have no way of knowing and it doesn't much matter anyhow.
It could be a sort of fusion of schizophrenia and our long tradition of telling tall tales about things we don't understand. We'd make up stories, then crazy people would become convinced the stories were actually real because they'd start hearing voices of the characters.
MegaChickenfish
Yes, absolutely! That's exactly what I was hoping to imply/leave room for by making "originated" stand out.
I think its likely the initial idea(s) were sparked by people who really heard and saw things no one else could see/hear........and then people did what they do: exaggerate, twist, mangle, manipulate to serve ones own interests, etc.
MegaChickenfish
Ha! I totally misread your comment a minute ago, oops! I think it more likely it was the other way around. Schizophrenic hearing voices commanding them to do X, Y, Z and to get others to do the same.
• In the christian bibles the god originally says he doesn't have a name, instead his name is "I am" etc....
In my mind, it all adds up in that order, not so much the other way around.
Schizophrenic people hearing and seeing things, conveying it to others and morphing from there. =)
Matthew Lee
1) I said the idea likely *ORIGINATED* with schizophrenics. Its not like ALL those civilzations, cultures, societies were isolated from one another. Much like the idea of addition occurred to someone at some point and mathematics evolved and spread from there, perhaps many "theres".
2) For the areas that were isolated, by your own statistics they would have had 1% of their population that had schizophrenia... where's the problem exactly?
3) The placebo effect doesn't just work with medicine, we can fool ourselves into all sorts of real, physical effects just by believing something. There's your personal experience, in my opinion.
Matthew Lee
Yes, I realize that some societies were isolated from others, hence the all caps "ALL" in my previous comment:
"It's not like ALL of those civilizations, cultures, societies were isolated from one another"
I think perhaps you are letting your bias interfere with your understanding and/or willingness to consider my hypothesis.
I am not a historian, nor theologian but as I recall the creation myths and religions that actually did develope in isolation were dramatically different from those that would have had some, even if limited, contact at various points throughout history.
As for Mohammed, I'm not convinced such a person ever existed, let alone did all they say he said and did. And the foundations of that particular religion originated LONG before he was supposed to have existed anyhow. That's why its considered one of the Abrahamic religions, bc its origins were in Judaism.
And there's plenty of evidence suggesting Judaism borrowed quite a lot of its ideas from other religions.
Regardless, my hypothesis is that in the areas where religions/creation myths (referring to those with anthropomorphic supernatural beings) actually did *ORIGINATE* in isolation it likely stems from a person with schizophrenia.
Please note, my hypothesis says *ZERO* about religion today. Much like pretty much everything else in the universe, religions have evolved throughout history. I am talking about the ORIGINAL CONCEPT(S) and NOT what happened thereafter.
I understand the whole golem thing but citizen x says that the idea of god is older. It possibly comes from the evolutionary advantage of recognizing other people have minds. If you treat people like a prop or an inanimate object you tend to do as you please regardless of what they might think. If they have something you want you take it. If they are in your way you push them out of the way and so on. People don't put up with being treated like objects and retaliate.. those who evolved empathy and compassion had a better evolutionary advantage. We are a social species which relies on others for survival thus those going solitary die off, those with sociopathic disorders die off, and those with severe autism struggle to incorporate into society.
If we stopped at that we'd be just fine.. it would basically be secular humanism. Also a lot of this may be way older than humans... chimps are social too.
Since people were ignorant and surviving simply by agency detection perhaps things they didn't know also had some consciousness too? So some people gave the clouds, trees, rocks, stars, fertility and everything else they couldn't understand a human like consciousness.. This is basically animism .. inorganic matter has animal minds too.
As time went on they then questioned their own existence and stuff like the clay figurines and the zodiac (patterns of stars, seasons, and so on) were incorporated. Air was something we needed to breath and became the spirit or the breath of life. As more time went on all of these things became more and more human like.. Some were a combination of animals and humans but many were basically just humans. This is polytheism.. such as Sumerian, Egyptian, Greek and Norse mythologies for the abrahamic religions.
They couldn't possibly worship all of these so maybe just a few were important. For Greeks you have Zeus, Hades, Poseidon, Aphrodite, Athena, and so on but no temples to Atë. In canaanite myth you have El, Yahweh, Asherah, Ba'al, and Molech. In Egypt you have Osiris, Horus, Isis, Ra, Anubis.
Gradually 1 god is worth worship but the others still exist.. As seen in the bible. You can't have any gods before Yahweh but they all certainly exist. And then you have the idea of only 1 god. Yahweh becomes the only god and gradually becomes invisible and all knowing. As time goes on the Jews were being promised Canaan but they kept being defeated and had numerous human messiahs to save them from Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome but they inevitably all failed... but the spiritual messiah Jesus if he was written into history and Romans can join they could eventually get free from persecution which they did.. The modern denominations come later.. People certainly didn't all practice the same christiany before the ecumenical councils and literacy to read the bible.
The mixing of religions is obvious too.. much of genesis is Sumerian myth, many of the laws come from Sargon and Hammurabi, and a mythical Egyptian Mises. The city of Jericho being built by a demigod from another religion. The idea of a bad god. The idea of an eternal pit of fire. Tartarus + second death + Hades + dante's inferno. Some accept science when it doesn't apply to god and some avoid evidence about anything so they can believe the world is flat and 6000 years old in which vaccines cause autism.
Dustin Furness in a nutshell : agency detection led humans to see motivated agency everywhere. This is called "agenticity". Agenticity led to animism, which evolved eventually to polytheism and henotheism and then the universe itself was given agency and evolved into modern monotheism, where God is the ultimate agent. :)
munstrumridcully and then some people gave up on the interactive gods and held onto deist gods, mathematical higher power, and godless supernatural idea. Some people got this close to reality without putting the pretend away completely while the most irrational insist on an interactive god perhaps with a dying and rising god man. And apparently some are so devoutly certain of bullshit being true that they'll insist the Earth is flat... I actually had a one sided conversation with a flat earther... "how can you say that, your wrong, and just stop it" were her responses spelled and punctuated the same. Even when I told her maybe I'm wrong, show me the truth, she just said "wow, why don't you delete your account" .... emotions over intelligence ... ignorance is bliss and I guess that's the motto they live by
Dustin Furness indeed, emotions over reason. I hate it, but understand that it fits with how humans are wired psychologically. We seek security and comfort over reality...
munstrumridcully Exactly! Humans fear death and the unknown. I understand why we turn to these things because it brings us comfort. We want to know that death is only temporary and that we’ll see our loved ones. But that’s why it’s so important to treasure these things now because life is short.
Charlie Daniels not Hank Williams Jr. did The Devil went down to Georgia.
Doh! I should have known that too.
Damn, you beat me to it...
I know, I was shocked. Charlie Daniels is rolling over in his grave.
Dean Ocque So did Primus ;)
(Charlie Daniels band did it better, but I only accept the version with"I told you once you sonofabitch, I'm the best that's ever been" as opposed to the version where SOB is replaced with "sonofagun". I boycott the PC sanitized version!)
shouldn't that be on his grave.. he's not dead yet.
Well yeah, the whole breath of life thing makes total sense. I've never known anyone more full of hot air than clergymen.
I've been watching your videos the last couple of days. You are very good. You were good 15 yrs ago, but you're very good now.
A God that doesn't do anything doesn't exist, simple!
@Blaster Master seems like it says its a lot of praising god "in person" and eating with god in person. Mostly just worshipping god though. But hey, the scenery's supposed to be super nice
AronRa's body of work over the years to the cause of rationality, reason, and factual information is vast and impressive.
He attacks religion with his underrated jokes, puns and smart ass jokes. If he is so great then why is he not attacking the stupidity of sciences theories or maybe the monkey he came from didn't provide the gene for him to do this. I challenge him to prove the theory of Dark Matter, Quantum Physics or the Big Bang with the same tenacity he attacks Religion and see what happens........he cannot do it and will not even try because he would be a laughing stock! I have been waiting for way over 20 years for someone to explain to me how nothing creates something from these theories and have yet found not even a good excuse.....he's just trying to be another Christopher Hitchens , wonder where he is now just rotting flesh, maybe Hell? but only he knows and he can't run his smart mouth anymore.
I remember as a second grader in Catholic school not believing these stories but I knew better than to ask a nun how this could be true. Oh my gosh they were mean!
At 7 years old preparing for my first communion the nun was explaining how Jesus was present in the host in a real way. I asked her then if that were true wouldn't I hurt him when chewing the wafer? She got angry and thought I was being a smart ass but I was sincerely concerned 😟.
Having grown up and realizing how many ridiculous things I was taught to believe it makes me
Smile whenever I recall this 😊.
@@theresewalters1696 I think back on all that too and realize how crazy it all was. I remember the nuns telling us all the boys were going to be priests and all the girls were going to be nuns. I was terrified!
Jesus vs Harry Potter, Harry Potter has more books and has a flying Broom. When the hell did Jesus ever fly?
Aron, you are the best!
I didn't know AronRa had a son. It makes me happy to know another atheist kid is being raised out there somewhere.
I prefer your Dumbledore outfit.
The word god is used as if the thing exists. Perhaps it would be better when we refer to the idea, that we say just that: the idea of god. After all, until it shows up and proves its existence, it is just an idea. How about ideaty instead of deity? The language is important. Talking about god sounds like it exists, but if referred to as the idea of god it is being called what it actually is: a concept only.
Or, rather than make up new words that have to be constantly explained and justified, just take care to refer to it as A god. Not the god, or God, or GOD, but just another god. There are thousands of them. It's nothing special.
@@MikkoKuusirati Understood...I agree, there are thousands of them, but they are all ideas unless demonstrated otherwise. Too often, it is too easy to use the noun, since nouns name things, but they also name ideas. I wish the language gave us the option of referring to nouns representing real things, vs. non real things or ideas.
@@jeanettecook1088 Hey now, that's kinda throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Ideas are IMPORTANT. Lots of things that are real and true are ALSO "just ideas" - skepticism, humanism, compassion, curiosity, mathematics, science, in fact everything that doesn't exist in a discrete form external to our thoughts. (Technically, the IDEA of gods is ALSO real, in that the idea itself demonstrably exists, albeit not true, in that it's extremely unlikely to be representative of reality.) Some specific ideas can be wrong or dishonest, sure, but there's nothing wrong or inherently false about ideas IN GENERAL.
@@MikkoKuusirati I didn't say ideas aren't important. I would merely like to have a way in language, when discussing ideas, to distinguish idea-nouns representing real things, vs. nouns that don't....thus the use of qualifiers. I won't get my wish, but that's OK.
@@jeanettecook1088 Sure, I getcha. But isn't "abstract" a perfectly good qualifier for that? Or "mythical", "imaginary", "false", "make-believe", "pretend", "spurious" etc. depending on the exact nuance you're going for. No reason to confine yourself to one single word when a short phrase expresses your intended meaning more accurately and concisely, I should think?
Have you seen how many 6s your opponent can roll in 40k it's like "khorne help me"
I'm from Milwaukee, Wisconsin and love your videos on RUclips
A lot of stories in the bible are exaggerations of natural events. The story of mountains leaping into the sea could be a retelling of the explosion of the volcano that formed the island of Santorini where the top of the cone blew off and into the sea. The story of Lot is a description of a rift valley volcanic eruption and Lot's wife turning into a pillar of salt is like the people in Pompeii enclosed in volcanic ash.
Mark Dichter The story of Lot's wife originates in the extremely high salt content of the Dead Sea (the lake on whose shores Sodom was located). As the water evaporates it leaves strangely shaped salt deposits on its shores - some of which resemble human figures. To me that's the most likely origin of legend of a person turning into salt in this particular location.
I've been to the shores of the Dead Sea and the tour guides routinely point out salt deposits that could be "Lot's wife."
I agree about the Santorini volcanic eruption possibly inspiring some bible stories. For example, the dust could have turned the Nile red and led to the story of it "turning into blood."
I agree with you as I too have been to the dead sea. The blood nile could have also been cause by a red algae bloom which would kill the fish and cause some of the other plagues.
Santorini may have been two centuries before Moses though, but ideas do get passed around.
I watched an interesting documentary about the Ten Plagues of Egypt, the whole idea was that instead of being supernatural miracles, they were scientifically explainable natural phenomena, caused by a massive environmental disaster: A colossal volcanic eruption near Greece and Italy (I forget the volcano's name by Mark Dichter might well be talking about the same one) which spewed clouds of ash and dust that covered vast areas of land, including Egypt. This effects of this event were purported to last over a period of 3 years or so (give or take)
The river of blood would not have been blood, but the volcanic dust dissolved in the water, giving it a red colouration.
The dead fish would be the result of the water now being polluted with toxic ash.
The frogs would be forced out of the water, unable to tolerate the conditions in the river. They would be unable to return and eventually dry out and die.
The flies and other insects would be attracted by the dead frogs and fish. Insect populations would soar, unchecked by the now dead frogs.
The dead fish and frogs would start to putrefy under the heat and rot, flies would carry the disease, which would spread to the livestock (There are flies in Egypt that can spread disease through biting animals). Those cattle spared by disease would die from dehydration, unable to drink the toxic water.
Now the boils could be put down to disease, but here is where it gets interesting, according to the documentary, there are medical records of Egyptian people being treated for painful boils with a collection of different ingredients mixed together to form an alkaline paste.
In addition, the records contain reports that the Egyptians started suffering from these boils soon after contact with riverwater. Finally, along with dust, volcanoes eject vast amounts of gases into the atmosphere, including hydrogen sulphide, which can dissolve in water to form sulphuric acid.
A conclusion that can be drawn from this is that the waters of the Nile were acidified, the boils may in fact have been chemical burns.
The thunder and hail storms can be easily explained. You have a massive volcanic eruption spewing out massive amounts of ash, that is going to have a persistent knock on effect on the environment, resulting in inclement weather including rain, lightning and thunder.
Locusts can be attracted by changes in weather, their eggs can remain dormant and hatch under the right conditions. The inclement weather brought about by the volcanic eruption may serve as a catalyst for the arrival of locusts.
3 days of darkness is also easily explained, a thick, expansive volcanic ash cloud will block out the sun. Even ordinary clouds can do that.
The firstborns death, while perplexing, isn't an enigma.
First, bear in mind that the locusts would naturally swarm and devour the Egyptian's crops en masse. In order to stave off famine, the people would have to resort to grain stores instead.
One hypothesis is that the grain was contaminated with ergot, which is more likely to grow at the onset of spring or in periods of rainfall. Crops that were harvested during the rainy periods would have been more likely to have greater concentrations of ergot fungus.
Second, it is important to understand at this point that in Egyptian culture, the first-born son is paramount. In a famine type situation, the first-born would get priority access to the food stores, other family members would get scraps or nothing. Thus, it would be mainly the firstborns eating ergot-ridden food.
Thirdly, ergot poisoning will fuck you up something fierce. Symptoms varied, but included:
- fever
- nausea and vomiting
- hallucinations and irrational behaviours
- muscle spasms, tremors, convulsions and seizures
- muscular enfeeblement, restricted blood flow due to severe vasoconstriction, possibly leading to gangrene.
- unconsciousness and death
If it didn't kill you, you may wish it had.
Though many of the firstborn children would be killed by this, not all would actually die. Some may have survived the ordeal as ergot poisoning is not invariably fatal. Others may not have eaten contaminated food, as it wouldn't all be infected.
At this point, the standard, age-old human storytelling devices come into play. Embellishment, exaggeration, fabrication etc.
'Many of the firstborns' would progress to 'Most of the firstborns' then, with enough time & retelling, 'All of the firstborns'.
I may have misremembered some details, or not explained it as well as I could have done, but all in all, I found that documentary gave an interesting and rational explanation of how these events could feasibly have taken place.
I do enjoy listening to these presentations wish I was as eloquent when talking with religious people about evolution and stuff but their wilful ignorance just makes me so damn angry!
If they believed the air was the spirit responsible for keeping beings alive, then how did they interpret fish?
Erick Lopes
Maybe they noticed the fish popping in and out of water.
Maybe but shellfish doesn't pop out of water, and it's not like they didn't know shellfish, or didn't know they were living things. Many passages in the old testament forbid shellfish consumption. Maybe this is why they despised shellfish, they didn't have the breath of life.
It's important that we understand this before a fundamentalist brings it up calling bs on our understanding of their myths.
Fish don't breath water dummy. Heard of oxygen in the water fool?
Ancient civilization didn't know oxygen was even a thing. I really wanna know how they interpreted aquatic beings if they believed air was spirit. Fish had no spirits?
@@ericklopes4046 there are christians today who dont believe fish are animals. So yeah
judging by aaron's demeanor the talk either wasn't set up in a favorable way or he didn't think the attendees were getting the point. he was particularly nervous on this one, maybe it wasn't rehearsed enough? he gets back into the swing of it most of the way through.
God is a word to attempt to explain what is not known.
"It is possible to kill an immortal if you do it right!"
The light novel/anime series "Baccano" had one of the more creative ways of killing an immortal--only another immortal can kill one, and they kill them by assimilating them with their right hand. In the process, they also absorb their knowledge and memories.
CJCroen1393 before baccano there were the highlander, and aron referenced it. shame on you for not catching it.
+Engie Cat Actually I did catch that reference. I didn't feel like bringing it up 'cause I've never seen Highlander, I've only ever heard of it.
I realy like this channel. Reason over dogma. Also a fellow Texan and it's difficult to have that view because of all of the people thumping their bible in your face. Keep up the good work.😊
Mr Ra, Im so tired of tolerating christians about why i did not have children cause i was physically unable to. Really I chose to have 2 abortions because my doctor told me abortion was needed because i was taking drugs for bipolar and the meds caused several birth defects and that pregnancy was dangerous to my mental well being as well. I really hate such ppl causing women to put their lives in danger because of their small minded beliefs.
I have it too, love. And you mean medication or treatment, not drugs. Try not to hate too much. You're doing a good job with what you've been given.
Thank you A A Ron, I hope you get it. Really appreciate how you verbally put together the total lack of logical thought involved in scripture/belief.
Finally, someone, of course Aron Ra, how very human the god of the bible was. I get so sick of apologists positing a god that is "spaceless, timeless and eternal, plus being omni everything. That sure isn't the god their favorite book describes. Plus it changes, evolves, I'd say, as you read from beginning to end. 👍🤎💞✌😷🎃