A380 REPLACEMENT - The Boeing 777X?
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2024
- As airlines begin to find ways to replace the Airbus A380, can the upcoming Boeing 777X be considered one of the better alternatives? Is it already deemed a replacement, or do each airline's circumstances mean a definite replacement can't be guaranteed and is subjective? Today, I explore these questions.
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The B-777X has a super efficient GE engine made specifically for this plane designed to give this plane a double digit (12% +++) advantage. IThere are a discussions of a lager engine for a stretched version of 777-10. I think the airlines & airports are not interested in huge double decker models anymore. The only issue currently for 777x is the lack of fuel capacity for extended range operations.
Compared to it,s predessar the 300 ER
Thank you. The orignal 777 was an unequalled success based on sound excellent Boeing engineering, it was the first really orignal jet from a company that had previously re-cycled military designs (707, 747,757, 737, 767) and one stolen from Vickers (727). But the 777 was différent a super plane, as the 777x should be. The big problem is that the bean counters have replaced the Boeing engineers with the self evident results that we have seen. Fix that and 777x will be the saviour of the company or it’s demise.
The 707 derived from an original military requirement (and subsequent order...IE the KC-135). There never was a 747 military predecessor, like the 707 had in the KC-135. Boeing bid on the Air Force's large transport specification; but never got past the initial concept offering. Lockheed won the bid. Boeing took the early engineering data from that project and developed the 747 as a clean sheet commercial aircraft. The 757 and 767 was straight up, a clean sheet commercial airline build, specifically to answer to Airbus' A300, and replace the aging 727. The military derivatives were follow-on to the commercial design, not the other way around. As for Vickers VC-10, it's more comparable to the IL-62. The 727 was a tri-jet with a much different performance envelope and target market. It was supremely more successful. I will argue strongly that the 727 was by no means a rip off of Vickers.
There's no A380 replacement. The 777x may be big, but its deck area is quite smaller than the A380's. So what can be done on the A380 can't be done on the 777x unless half the deck is used for it, and even then it's smaller.
No plane can replace the ultra-luxury segment of the A380. But the chances that Airbus will do another one are zero, or infinitely towards that.
And last the wildcard for the 777x is how much the Boeing brand will be worth when the 777x will be flying. And the 777x will need a 100% perfect launch and first years of operation. It will be awesome if that happens, but I wouldn't bet 1 dollar on that.
777x was never meant to replace 380 or 747-8 when it came to size. Was to carry large capacity passengers in a 2 engine plane.
the 777-10X tho.
Certification of the 777X does not look good right now of the four prototypes one has not flown since Nov 2021, 2 others have not done any flights since january and the other has done just 100 hours in the last few months.
They are certainly taking their time, because no money and no market.
We know. Luckily its still slated for EIS mid next year. there is hope
From what I have been reading since the beginning of the year over 1100 test flights with over 3500 hours.
Let's hope these don't have issues like other Boeing planes have recently.
@@gumball3D they won't
I can see it now Boeing 777X wing tips stuck in up position...
At least it's not catastrophic
Yes I once also commented the same
Have you seen the same wingtips " stuck" in the up position with military aircraft? This technology has been here for decades
@@mmm0404 yes exactly like the technology of screwing doors safely
Navy fighter jets don't get stuck in the up position.
Isn't the A350-1000 more in competition with the Boeing 777-300ER because they are almost identical in size and capacity?
Yes.
a350 will travel a lot further distance though
Most airlines are selling their a380 to Korean, English and Dubai / emirate / Australian airlines.
Australia needs this for trips to Singapore, Dubai, Jo’Berg Bangkok, LA, NYC & London
I feel like the a350-1000 would be better suited as a replacement rather than the 777X. Just because the a350-1000 is an airbus aircraft like the a380
Well airbus needs to either make an a350-2000 or a brand new a360 or a370 to completely rival the 777-9 because the 1000 has no where near enough capacity to hold 426 passengers in 3 classes
@@tomicaguyusa4633 the 350 -1000 holds around 400 seats in a 3 class config
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777X cannot be a replacement for A380. The correct word is substitute. Similar to 757-A321 case.
As 380s age out (and they will as Airbus automatically decertifies its aircraft after like 35 years regardless of maintenance record), the 777X basically assumes the role of its replacement as the next biggest option.
You should not skip Emirates Airline the leading operator of A380 and his business model to run its operation. Exceptional
It's easy, just make an A380/B747-8 with two engines!
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Would be nice and can NOT happen.
Airbus will continue to dominate until Boeing gets their $%^t together. I wouldn't expect certification/EIS until 2028 at the earliest for the 777x. IMHO.
Boeing still sells more widebodies every year than airbus, 787 had close to 300 orders last year , the 777X had 100. Airbus only dominating with the a321neo
If not 2030 or 2040 or 50 that will go on with the over exaggerated delay dates going by the delays. It is still slated for mid next year so there is still hope for certification of it. luckily the plane is not in a mess
It’s gonna be certified next year lol
@@mmm0404 Considering that the cash cows at both are the narrow bodies I doubt Boeing is happy. The 787 is a money pit, and even if Boeing has managed to make some money now on deliveries, the suppliers keep losing money on them. This will never be know exactly, because Boeing refuses to talk about the overall 787 program profitability in detail.
@@davidajayi1207 I'm 100% sure it will be 😂😂🤣🤣
I want to se a A 350-2000 with the new RR Ultra Fan
The plane will be beautiful but there is no market for these very large planes >400 passangers. The 777-9/8 does not have a single order from USA & Canadian airlines. That is a crucial issue AB does have to factor in before stretching the A350.
See it flop like the a380.
maybee the A 360
That's is what's going to happen
Emirates might buy it, but who else? As that's not enough by far, it would surprise me to see it happen.
Even though passenger numbers are going up, it's not justifying another flying mammoth.
maybe something like an a380 neo wouldn't be the worst idea...
The thing about this is the cost of the A380. At the end of the day it will still be a 4 engine double decker monster. Cool? Absolutely. But practical for airlines who already don’t like the A380 because of this? Not really. The 777X would be it’s best suited replacement.
after the recent boeing incidents, i already told my travel agent to find flights that have no boeing jets. not only that, i told her that i prefer airlines that dont use boeing jets at all. it will likely take years for boeing to fix their mess, assuming they fix it at all.
Welcome to the Boeing Bashing channel!
You don’t need to bash Boeing they’re taking care of that. The 777 was an excellent plane as the 777x will be once certified. Boeing need to go back to being an engineering company, in a phrase - more bolt counters and less bean counters.
@@geraldcapon392YES! Lets hope the 777x will prove them wrong
I understand your need to make weekly content, but lets see if Boeing ever gets that aircraft flying.
Unless it has a walk in bar and a shower it's not a replacement. It's just a big plane that's not as good as a a380
There are rumors of a 777-10 as well, with an even longer fuselage. That might be the A380 replacement.
Noooo. As someone who knows the design well can attest with you that isnt happening because there is no business case for it
Even if you have. The same amount. Of thrust with two engines as a similar size with four engines the four engine type is always going to be safer, With two engines a failure is a fifty percent loss of power,A four engine is only a loss of 25 percent. I know what I'd rather flying in.
That is the case unless your 2 engines are more powerful individually than the engines on a 4 engine aircraft which is usually the case. We can’t forget that the GE90 and GE9X are the most powerful jet engines ever created and 777 and 777X will be the only planes to have these engines.
Zero aviation knowledge
the boeing 777 is a very comfortable aircraft and efficient but I still prefer the being 747 always, the best aircraft I have ever flown on. The airbus A330 and A340 were excellent aircraft and of curse the A380 is a remarkable aircraft. I'm sure the A350 is going to be successful.
The existing A380 airframes will become a precious commodity: Don't forget there is a huge shortages of airport departure slots as well as pilots worldwide.
We Westerners need to quit looking at outselves only ... the real momentum is in Asia.
Huge numbers of newly middle class people will be able to fly and airlines will use any large aircraft they can get their hands on.
If the A380 has ever been a "questionable bussiness calse" that won't be the case anymore.
This will also include lots of room to operate for the B777X for sure.
we keep saying this but 777x stalled in utero for the past decade...
yes but by default, but when.........................................
I heard airbus is going to eclipse the A380 A350 & 777X with a brand new aircraft using the ultra fan
Given the state Boeing is in, I doubt it will be certified anytime soon. The flying public, and airlines, are suspicious of Boeing and are unfortunately committed to them as well. One more Boeing crash, and Boeing is toast.
The fact that they appointed another financial person, and not an engineer, does not improve confidence in Boeing.
Moving the HQ back to Renton WA would be a start. Putting Engineers, not financial people, would be a good second act.
I had to fly Delta recently to fly an Airbus, since I didn't want to fly any Boeing plane.
You mean the crash that happened over 5 years ago or what? Your obvious hyperbolic nature is clouding any judgment you purport to have or you're just an Airbus fanboy...your choice, live it.
@@davidoldham1946 The door plug incident is a recent example of Boeing's unsafety culture. 14,000 feet more and it would have been a complete hull loss together with all people aboard. It was pure luck that these people returned alive.
Interestingly enough, you call justified concerns "hyperbole". That alone discredits your comment.
@@jantjarks7946 There is always an IF it was 14,000ft higher. It was out of pure luck it did it at 16,000ft. We know it could have been worse but it wasn't and it returned back safely. A worker on the floor made a mistake by not installing bolts back in. I wonder if Boeings says thats an "unsafety culture"
Where does it say that Due to Boeings current state the Certification of 777x is delayed once more to 2026 or whatever? The fact is the 777x is still slated for 2025 EIS. The flying public if you were to name them are suspicious of Boeing? You mean the people that are in the industry who pay attention to Boeing and airbus are suspicious? If that crash was to be pilot error you would still believe it was Boeings fault? Again they have appointed a financial CEO of the commercial division? They may not get her to last long when they could terminate her due to her being a financial and replace her with an engineer? They fly Boeing planes too but you can fly delta to fly an airbus or Boeing depending on the flight. so dont make out that they are airbus all along when they do fly Boeing and are mostly airbus in new widebody aircraft
@@nickolliver3021 You have many ways to justify what can't be justified. You have proven it time and time again.
nothing can replace A388, A350 and 777X are different products. Flown to Australia many times and always book the A380,
The only problem with A380 is airlines ….losing money. It isnt easy to have 500 customer like you flying :)
@@didequen3339 Emirates makes a bazillion money on them. Not on the 777s. The key is the ultra luxury places that are seldom empty.
@@didequen3339 Depends on the
airline Emirates seem to do ok
The engines on the 777 are 3m in diameter. On the 777X they will be 3.4m in diameter.
The 747's fuselage is big enough for the 777 but not the 777X
Can anyone explain how a spare engine is ferried to an aircraft in the future.
TIA
We need a380 neo
The double engines consume a lot of fuel..
777 my favorite
Replacement ?? I don't think so !!
Flown them all, and none are even close.
OH MY GOD! ITS HAPPENING!
Ok, everybody, stay calm!
buy 2 more A350s, more frequent service or flexibility of fleet management
Go Airbus !!
the lower deck of the A380 is the size of the 777 300, the upper deck of the A380 is the size of the Airbus A330
Right. And that is why airlines dont operate because they could not find that many customers loading on the airplane at the gate :)
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The a380 was way too big, very harsh to the environment.
The 777 meeting in the middle striking the perfect balance between climate harmony and mission requirements for the airlines
I dont know why you are saying is....its no longer for sale...its a was........
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Resurrect the 747, and make all the necessary improvements to make it what it was in its earlier years.
which would take boeing 30 plus years to do. given the failure of the 747 af1 replacement.
Who would ever fly on a Boeing?
They care more about money than safely carrying passengers
I would
Bro… read the room… Boeing isn’t replacing anything, other than bolts, door plugs, and their CEO.
How many Boeing whistle blowers will mysteriously die?
A380 tri jet time
I'd solely base my decision for comparable models with Airbus, because of their overall quality and safety over anything else. Until Boeing changes its questionable safety and build records, the proof is in the pudding.
Truth is: I would LOVE to fly in an A380 once. And I'd be scared to board a 777x.
boeing is not that dangerous man
why scared in a 777x? oh wait its a new Boeing. nothing has gone wrong with it since its early issues that have been fixed
You can’t keep basing your life decisions off of the news. You have to do your own research man the 777 has always been a fantastic airplane.
@@02hockeystick19 when it comes to the safety of my family and me I tend to put more trust into the verdict of Boeing engineers rather than random people on the internet. The 737 was a great and reliable aircraft. But the 737 MAX is different enough to change that. I've flown the 777 quite often. Great aircraft from a different time. But that doesn't carry over automatically to the 777x. Boeing now has a LOT of trust to rebuild.
The A350-1000 will give the 777X a run for its money.
A run for it's money?
Fly, you fools!
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I show myself out.
For sure…
@@BritalianEC1 I figured no worries bro.
it may be the other way around!
The ideal replacement for the A388 is the A388, and the A389 will eventually be.
There will never be another A380. Airbus has already confirmed this.
777x
besides DO NOT FLY BORING
I’m expecting Boeing to get laws passed that make corporations a protected class of “people”. Anyone accusing Boeing would be guilty of a hate crime.
that wont happen
Fun fact. The A340 came too late.
Meanwhile, the A380 came too early.
It will take far more time before the A380 will be phased out than most people believe. Demand for passenger capacity is not going down, quite the opposite.
The a380 came too late as well.
@@rocketPower047 Indeed. What I'm pointing at is, if it would have been a few years later, its design and efficiency would have been more modern too.
But now, despite the 4 engines, it at least has an unprecedented passenger capacity that no other plane can match. Sure, an advantage and liability at the same time.
@@jantjarks7946 true should've waited for better engines
@@jantjarks7946the main problem is that not too many airports accomodate the A380
@@Blank00 If ever another plane of that size would be built, which currently looks more than questionable, more infrastructure would be added at the airports.
As such, yes, it's a hugely limiting factor. But a new design wouldn't appear if that wasn't addressed before in order to ease limitations.
But yeah, the bar for such a design is very high.
There will eventually be a 777-10x.
500+ seat capacity
yes but it wont have a bar or a shower for passenger to use.
@@Perich29 sure it will, rumor has it that there's plans for a lounge, theater and showers in the lower compartment accessible by elevators.
If that's true, it will be amazing.
With Boeing’s reputation today it will be a hard sell
Boring 777X is the choice of the future, nothing wrong with this Boeing..the 747 is an all time favorite seller but the triple 777 will be the new 747.
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It could be considered a replacement WHEN it ENTERS service.
I dont think that an actual Boeing would be a replacement to any kind of plane in the near future.
Because: "If it's a Boeing - I'm not going"
B777x 2028
777 will never compare to 380 in one category - popularity among customers. I bet a high 90% will always prefer A380.
A dedicated cruise ship is always more preferable than a retrofitted container carrier, but that also means once ferrying passengers is no longer economical the vessel doesn't catch a second wind with more profitable cargo and is only useful for parts and scrap.
Boeing should stop making airliners for the passengers sake.
Can't wait for the 777X , I believe the 350-1000 simply isn't big enough , the 777x is the only option to replace the 380 as capacity, payload and landing slots will become the most important things going forward.
Does it have all the doors?
why by big when peoples get less money in the futur,becaus off war amd climat disasters coming big times from 2024.
For the777x to replace the 380, first it would have to fly.....
It has. It’s just waiting on certification from the damn FAA who can’t make a deadline to save their lives on the recent. It’s been flown on many test flights and demonstration flights.
I have a feeling there are going to be problems with this one too !!!!
Nope!! The 777x can't and won't be the A380 replacement. The 777x is just a 777-300er with larger wings and engines. Same dimensions, so as pax there won't be a big difference with the offering you have right now. It's actually a downgrade from the A380 to the 777X on passengers side, but good for the airlines for lower fuel consumption. Only aircraft that can be a replacement of the A380,...is the A380 Neo. 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Brother, the 777-9 is almost. 4 metres longer than the 300er, the -8 is 2 metres shorter than the 300er
I wouldn’t trust anything new off the Boeing assembly line. Look at the Max and Dreamliner.
Boeing is a shady company with sub par manufacturing quality
Only A380Neo can replace the current A380
NEVER!
ALWAYS
Go Boeing !
Go Airbus !!
Does Qantas regret the A380 and will it eventually order the 777X?
I don’t think so. They brought the A380 back for a reason.😅
No they have gone airbus across the board
they may if its certified next year
A380NEO!!!
Airbus isn't going to do that one any time soon. No staff capacity to develop it and it is also very risky. New engines would be needed but most importantly the A380-neo would need re-certification, i.e. it would be a big effort.
Never gonna happen. People need to stop with this A380 Neo nonsense. Airbus has already said many times the A380 is done. They aren’t producing it anymore.
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no!
Xbox version is a rip off
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Boeing WILL screw this one up !!!!!!!!!!
any proof they will?
@@nickolliver3021 any proof they won't?
This smacks of a huge Boeing 777X promo. And for that reason i will not subscribe. Boeing must sort out its issues and earn the market’s trust. I doubt the Boeing 777X will replace the A380.
Market trust shouldn’t matter at this point because it’s influenced by the misinformative media. The media has been blaming Boeing for things that really aren’t their fault, such as engine issues and incidents on old aircraft caused by maintainence
any proof it wont? Boeing is sorting out its issues first so expecting they're not is silly
Could you be more Boeing fanboy???How can you still be talking about B777x when the plane is still on the ground believing it will be flying in the future. Uncertified and latest whisteblower hearings. Bigger is not always better choice. Folding wing tips 😮 wow… this plane is so delayed, if I was a airline CEO, I would look for something else. Adding to that all the problems Boeing is facing.
An non-credible whistle blower trying to get 15 minutes of fame . 😂😂
@@mmm0404 ok right!
Same goes for the xlr its still on the ground and had an issue which is now fixed. same with 777x its had its early issues fixed and airlines are ordering the type still. The whistle-blower Sam Salephour wont affect the 777x certification. Bigger and better could be the better choice depending on how it performs. Boeing will concentrate on 737max production and quality. there is faith in them to get 777x certified which will create a big relief they can get things done
If it’s a Boeing I’m not going ✈️😳
JUST NO!
There is NO REPLACEMENT for the 380. Period.
There's not a long term market for it either, as it's ill-suited to carry more profitable airfreight once comfortably flying human passengers becomes uneconomical.
@@doujinflip yes, tell that to Emirates...
The airline with the world's biggest fleet of 777s, doubling down on them to replace their older 777s and increasingly 380s, and sending their own engineers to Boeing to help ensure the 777X arrives with no more showstoppers? That Emirates?
@@doujinflip don't be stupid. it also has the biggest fleet of 380s. you know, the IRREPLACEABLE aircraft? so Emirates, what can it do? have that poor substitute, your 777X, which has NOT YET BEEN CERTIFIED and is NOT YET FLYING COMMERCIALLY AFTER YEARS OF DELAY.
It's still a boeing.
look, don't be a twerp, its NOT a 380 replacement. only a 380 can do what it does.
Is a Boeing 😂😂😂 don'tdon buy