The Story Of The Boeing 777 Family
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2023
- The 777 has been a great success for Boeing and is the company’s best-selling widebody to date. It was launched in 1994 and is now entering its third generation with the new 777X. Developed as a clean-sheet design in the 90s, it was designed to capitalize on the improvements in twin-engine performance. This idea is taken further as the 777X becomes the largest twin jet aircraft ever to fly. Let’s take an in-depth look at the story of the Boeing 777 in today’s video!
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777 is my favorite. I’ve had a lot of experience flying 777’s. Back in my childhood, I flew a lot of flights in the 777-200ER across the pacific, either via China Southern or Asiana. I might have vaguely recalled flying in a 777-200 via United Airlines one time. I will be experiencing my first flight in a 777-300ER via Cathay Pacific in less than a month. Though my favorite of all will have to be the 777-200LR as I like the proportionality of dimensions more in the 200 family, and acknowledging the fact that it held the record of longest range aircraft in the world for a long time until the A350ULR came in. But the successor, 777-8, that might be a new favorite!
I was fortunate enough to fly the triple for the last eight years of my very long career. In my opinion the 777 is Boeings best . I don’t miss the airlines but I do miss flying that big powerful airplane
I will be starting my CPL Training next month.
It’s my dream to fly the 777/787. Do you have any tips?
@@sidv4615 Your timing is good , way better than my generation. We all lived and suffered though multiple mergers and deregulation that was very painful. Be prepared for a lot of BS in in the airlines if you go that route . They are not run by real airline people anymore . Good luck and be tough .
@@robertlyon8876 thanks a lot rob. By the way, were you in the military before becoming a commercial pilot. Also which airline were you from? You seem to genuinely hate it.
@@sidv4615 yes and no I didn't hate it but saw the airlines from the inside out for almost 45 years . Great people to work with , but as a whole lots of dumb management towards the end . But my career was through some of the most difficult times in the airlines . I got paid well but my attitude ,was I did the flying for free ... they paid me to deal with the bullshit.
Anyone that thinks otherwise wasn't there .
@@sidv4615 As there is a huge pilot shortage world wide that we all saw coming except the airline management types you will have a more stable career the most of us did before . When you get hired spend some time in the right seat and fly with as many of the old experienced guys as you can . The difference between short haul and long haul overseas is huge . So are the knowledge and experience levels of the Captains that you will fly with.
The year was 2000 and I was on my first 777 flight from IAD to CDG. What an amazing experience on takeoff when the twins spooled up. Then, following some vacation time with family in Germany, when on a 777 at CDG while taxiing out, we lined up and waited following a concorde departure. What an amazing sight to see that bird with all burners lit. Seems like just yesterday.
The mighty 777 is a true engineering marvel and could be the last masterpiece by Boeing when it was still a great engineers' company.
787 is a true next gen clean sheet design. After 787, yes, Boeing hasn’t innovated at all. Watch real engineering’s video on the 787 tho if you don’t believe me. It’s a masterpiece
@@ip4pwn1thanks for the recommendation!! 💕💕
@@ip4pwn1The 787 already showed the signs of Boeing's unsafety culture.
With the MAX it's only more apparent than with any other plane type.
Yet that’s why the 777X keeps being delayed. The 737 MAX has been a wake up call for Boeing themselves too and in addition to that, the FAA is now looking closer into everything Boeing does. The 777X is extremely well engineered and not going to be such a shame as the MAX.
My last 777 flight was from Singapore to Tokyo on the Singapore airlines B777-300ER and back in January 2020 right before Covid-19 was on the rise. Can’t you believe it.
The 777 family are big planes...very...vety Good.
I’ve never flown on the 777, but I have seen it multiple times and it is a beautiful aircraft. 🙂✈️
My favourite boeing plane is the 777 because the engines sound super unique especially when you are in front of the engines!
Fun fact: the first commercial 777 (N774UA) is still in active service with United Airlines today!
I got the chance to fly intercontinentally for the first time recently. From AMS to GRU on a 777-300ER on KLM, and back from GRU to CDG with an Air Frace A350-900. I liked the A350 much better, apart from Air France's stupid decision to put the galley all the way to the end of the plane, and not having lights to indicate on when a toilet is occupied.
What do you mean? The 777-300ER (among most others) also has a galley at the back as well as the front. And KLM also has a galley behind the Business class area on all their A330's, 777's and 787's. Even two private jet 787-8's I've been into had a galley at both the front just behind the cockpit and completely at the back. Even a 787-8 I've been into that was at that point a white tail aircraft without passenger seats, had both a galley at the front and at the back (the aircraft was later converted into a private jet). Do you mean the AF A350 did not have a middle galley? Because I've been inside a TUI 787-8 that didn't have a middle galley. It's very much up to the airline how they want their interior configured. Recently KLM removed one of the toilets from their 787-9 for example.
I did the same trip but the other way around, GRU to AMS in the -300 from KLM in 2009. Also my first intercontinental flight. It seems that Amsterdam is the place where many people go to pop their cherries lol
@@CheapBastard1988 on the 777-300ER, the galley was very clearly in front of the last part of the economy cabin, about 5 meters behind the wing box.
@@CheapBastard1988 And yes, the A350 did not have a middle galley, which is why the business class food had to be rolled on the carts throughout the entire length of the plane. It took quite a lot of aisle capacity and was really annoying.
The A359 is a lovely aircraft! 😎👌🏼
I'm incredibly excited for the 777-9. I've had great experiences with Philippine Airlines' 777 from Manila to Vancouver and with EVA Air from Manila to and from New York, one of which was a 16+ hour-long flight (NY to Taipei)
My favorite Boeing. The sound is heaven to my ears
The Boeing 777 is the best aircraft ever made from Boeing from an airline executive perspective to the plane spotters
Amazing fuel efficiency, impressive comfort, and the flexibility performance of this jet was the reason why airlines loved it, people on the ground love looking to the beauty especially with that powerful GE90-115B engines.
Let’s see what will the 777X will deliver to airlines.
im pretty sure avgeeks and plane spotters would argue the a380 is the best
@@foxtrotyankee6131 Your pretty sure avgeeks and plane spotters would argue the a380 is the best aircraft “made from Boeing.” Interesting
I was able to fly on a 777-200 er recently. It was so comfortable and relaxing
The first time I experienced this plane was on a flight from LAX to DEN in early 2023 with the 777-200. That was the first time I had experienced any widebody aircraft. It was a great flight, and I'm looking forward to flying in one again here soon.
IF you're a fan of the B777, there is a documentary on youtube on it's creation called "21st Century Jet - Building the Boeing 777"
I absolutely love the Boeing 777! It's my 2nd favorite plane (the Boeing 747 is 1st) because it is absolute beast with its tremendous size, length and those loud and powerful GE 90's! I have not flown on it yet, but I really want to!
Finally getting a glimpse of what the interior is going to be like already underscores what a game changer this aircraft is going to be. Again.
The ER I've flown several times and totally enjoyed the experience. Looking forward to the X
I’d like 👍 to fly on a 777 one ☝️ day.
1995 at Dullas I was with ACA and remember taxing past the first United 777. It was massive.
The 777 is the most comfortable plane that I ever have flown on. It is my favorite plane. I will look for what route flies the 777 and I will go out of my way to fly on a 777.
The 777 is the jumbo jet of the future.
I'm curious if we won't see a new design covering the passenger capacity and range of the 747 with two engines.
The market seems to be there. And the 777X is close to such capacities, but not there.
Especially as a new design could be placed in between the 747 and the 380 capacity wise.
At least there would be more airlines interested than just Emirates with their hopeless dream to get new redesigns of the 380.
😉
@@jantjarks7946
777-8 and 777-9 has greater pax capacity than all 747 except 747-8i.
@@alanstevens1296 Typical seating for the 777X is up to 426 for the -9.
For the 747-8 it is 467. The exit limit however is at 605. Far beyond anything the 777X could accommodate.
@@jantjarks7946
About 9% more pax. That is not much.
@@alanstevens1296 If you think that 41 passengers more on a plane isn't much, then airlines surely won't go for plane designs that offer more.
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I would love to fly on a 777 ... maybe some day.
Man The Storyline on The Boeing 777 is really interesting to watch in this awesome video which I'm watching right now on this Channel I hope to fly on a Boeing 777 Family of Jets since I'm from The Caribbean Island Of Barbados I see them only when I'm home from work.
I'm not surprised with the 777X project being delayed by engine problems. The GEn-X engines are still problematic on the 787-10. Specifically on the 787-10, the engines typically last less than a year. Even though they are now reasonably reliable on the 787-9.
"last less than a year" . Cite your source please? I would love to read that article.
Hopefully it's not from a Airbus fanboy site you visit.
Best selling widebody twin in history !!!
Perhaps one day losing that crown to the 787 !!!
Still about 500 orders behind !!
A330 has great numbers as well..
Hard to say how many orders they can obtain in the future !!
No need to qualify - it is the best-selling widebody in history (twin, tri or quad-jet).
The 777-300ER was the plane that essentially replaced the 747-400 on many long routes, because it offered over 7,200 nautical range with the pax/cargo capacity of the 747-200 model.
B777 still is my favorite airplane! But i think it was a mistake Boeing go with metal body on B777x!
Then you might as well redesign the whole plane and launch a new family of planes of you redesign the body!
After watching that composite sub implode last summer I wonder how these composite planes will hold up under the stress of thousands of cycles. There's still 20 yr old 777s flying today.
@@richardmorris7063 Well B787 and A350 is out there to prove that.
777 is & has been my favorite jet since the Concorde. What's not to like, its the biggest twin jet w/ the most powerful engines & its a beautiful aircraft.
I flew purser, trans-Pacific for UA on mostly 747s and 777s, both great aircraft. I preferred the 777 because the passenger cabin was easier to manage, all on one deck, and a bit smaller. 747 was wonderful but huge!, I operated 747-100s, 200s, SPs, and 400s, again, the 747SP, my fave, was smaller and more manageable.
I've flown on the Boeing 777 as the second largest airplane I flew since 2011. The only two airlines I flew with the 777 were EVA Air and Philippine Airlines which use that type of wide-body jet for a 14-hour flight while equipped with seatback entertainment systems.
superb mister 😍
I like how “higher capacity” in passenger planes is made to sound like a good thing for passengers, when it means they’re adding more sardines to the same sized can
Not exactly, the nine is longer than the eight hence more people. That's why they have these variants.
@@richardmorris7063Still a far cry from the 747 or 380.
Excellent sir
I flew on 3 United 777-200s (one was an ER) back in 2016-2017. This was during the time when United still had the 3-3-3 configuration. Such a shame that they crammed a 10th seat in. A few months ago I took a 777 flight with the 3-4-3 configuration for the first time (American Airlines -300ER) It was not the most pleasant experience in terms of comfort. I’m booked on a Swiss flight with the 777 next year, and I hope it’s better.
Flew on a 777-200ER with Delta to Haneda/Japan and back in 2019, will be on the same type with ANA to the same location in October. I was tempted to go back with Delta as they moved to the A350 and I wanted to try a new type, but unlike last time, the price increases meant that I was going to be in economy instead of Comfort +, (for the same price) and since I was taking economy, I wanted ANA's higher seat pitch. Triple 7 300-ER again it is!
Not sure if a 0.5 inch difference is sufficient to declare the 777 more comfortable than thr a350...particularly as the a350 has clearer advantages in other aspects that add to patient comfort...
@@jpazinho I should mention there was more than plane type that I considered as well. Like the fact that the US based lines have had their service quality go down the drain. That amazing Delta flight I had before covid is a far cry overall from what I've heard.
Also, I leave on this trip in 4 days. Can't wait.
I've flown on just about all of them & people just have their favorites. If you blindfolded passengers most couldn't tell one from another. Most of the comfort comes from the particular configuration the airline uses.
I flew on B-777-200/300 a couple times only in 2002 & was impressed with better ergonomics vs. B-747. the B-777X famaly planes could replace the B-747s on Brazil-S. Korea route (saw them over Arizona) & enableprofitable Chicago &/NY-New Deli route over the N. Pole. Time will tell!
A Jumbo jet in its own right, BA suffered a the first 777 hill loss in 2008, Malaysia Airlines sadly don’t have them anymore, the 777 is quite common and I like it Myself.
Those engine issues on approach to Heathrow with BA, and Malaysia with MH17 & MH370
my longest flight was on a BA 777-300er from London to Buenos Aires
Can you please do another video for the airbus A350 family
I've taken flights on Delta's 777-200LR's as well as Virgin Australia's 777-300ER's to and from the United States pre-pandemic. Sadly, those jets are no longer in service from both carriers. I would love to see Boeing do Extended/Long Range variants of the 777X's though, like a 777-8ER/LR and a 777-9ER, much like the 777-200LR and 777-300ER
The most superior single de k widebody aircraft built, EVER. Nothing can and will ever compete with the 777.
0:27 0:30 I WANT IT!!
would not a 777 10x be useful to certain airlines, such as Emirates and their intention of replacing the a380 eventually?
There wouldn’t be enough demand from other airline to justify having such an airplane.
@@aviatorsound914Same problem as with a potential A380 NEO.
Honestly, the Boeing 777-300/ER looks more aged but more roomy and spacious then the Airbus A350-900.
I just hope it will be quieter than the 777 300
The 777 was the most comfortable widebody (except for maybe the a380) I've been on. Then airlines started cramming 10 seats per row...
Let’s just hope the 777X doesn’t end up like the 737 max
Top 10 best selling airplanes of ALL TIME?
This is video is just a repeat of the first 777 story video. The script is half the same if you put them side by side.
slow content day
That's OK because a lot of people haven't seen the other video, including myself
Very nice, but Airbus for me 😊
Get it out the door .
Airlines are getting fed up with the delays and can't plan a schedule around when, if ,maybe it's going to arrive.
I await NG making a 1/400 scale model 777-x. I have a 777 300ER for American Airlines, big fan, its a pretty smexy lookin plane lol
what exactly happens to an aircraft when the airline decides to change its livery?
9:31 this statement is objectively wrong. There is weight reduction, but it’s modest at best, bigger advantage is lower cabin altitude for passenger comfort, and potentially more durable.
777 can’t simply switch out aluminum with carbon fiber is simply because the design/engineering work would take too long to justify. Might well be a clean sheet design which is unnecessary.
Lịch sử dòng máy bay Boeing 777
Gần 30 năm, Boeing 777 đầu tiên đã chính thức được giới thiếu, các hãng đặt tên cho dòng máy bay này là Triple Seven. Sau đây mình xin nói câu chuyện về dòng Boeing 777 này:
Ra đời:
Vào thập niên 1970 của thế kỉ 20, đội máy bay chủ lực trong ngành hàng không là những máy bay cỡ vừa 3 động cơ như DC-10, L-1011 hoặc to nhất là Boeing 747 chở được nhiều khách nhất, nhận ra các ngành hàng không tăng cao trong thập niên tới. Các hãng hàng không lớn tại Mỹ an ngại rằng, đội máy bay cổ điển như vậy sẽ khó đáp ứng được nhu cầu cho ngành hàng không này. Do đó, các hãng hàng không đã đề nghị hãng Boeing cho ra đời mẫu máy bay mới hiện đại hơn, êm ái hơn, tiết kiệm nhiên liệu hơn, an toàn hơn. Mục tiêu cho Boeing 777 là một dòng máy bay mới, chở được hành khách ngang với dòng máy bay DC-10 hoặc L-1011 Tristar nhưng ít hơn so với Boeing 747. Đồng thời, các hãng hàng không đã giảm chi phí nhiên liệu trên mỗi ghế xuống còn từ 20-30% so với máy bay thế hệ trước.
Quá trình thiết kế:
Thiết kế ban đầu của chiếc Boeing 777 là một chiếc máy bay 3 động cơ kéo dài từ đầu đến đuôi, y chang như những chiếc DC-10 ở thập niên 1970. 2 cánh có thể xếp được 2 động cơ, ở phía sau cánh máy bay chỉ có thể xếp được 1 động cơ với hút gió thẳng thay vì hút gió kiểu S-duct như L-1011 Tristar. Với thiết kế này, có thể giúp Boeing 777 có thể bay xa hơn so với những dòng máy bay thời bấy giờ. Thế nhưng, các đội kỹ sư Boeing thắc mắc rằng một chiếc máy bay 3 động cơ kiểu như vậy thì sẽ gặp khó khăn khi kiểm soát trong trường hợp bị hư hỏng các thiết bị kỹ thuật. Ngoài ra, các thiết bị khác cũng sẽ dễ bị hư hỏng. Với những lý do phân tích ở trên, Boeing đã hủy bỏ thiết kế này vào năm 1982. Cùng thời điểm đó, Boeing đã chính thức giới thiệu mẫu Boeing 757 nhằm thay thế cho Boeing 727 và Boeing 767 nhằm so sánh với Airbus A300 và Airbus A310 do cả 2 mẫu máy bay này được ưa chuộng hơn rất nhiều. Vào 6 năm sau, đến năm 1988. Kỹ sư Boeing đã nhận được sự đề nghị của các nhà thiết kế máy bay là dòng máy bay Boeing 777 có 2 động cơ với kiểu y chang như những chiếc Airbus A350 hiện nay. Với thiết kế này, Boeing 777 có thể tiết kiệm nhiên liệu hơn, êm ái hơn, bay xa hơn so với máy bay thời bấy giờ. Ngoài ra, buồng lái của chiếc Boeing 777 đã được trang bị thêm các tính năng điện tử hiện đại như các thiết bị lái tự động, màn hình LCD hiển thị cỡ lớn, đồng hồ hiển thị tốc độ, nhiên liệu, độ cao giúp phi công có thể kiểm soát tốt hơn khi máy bay gặp sự cố hoặc bị hư hỏng. Một chi tiết rất đặc biệt mà dự án của dòng Boeing 777 này là Boeing phải mất 7 năm để thiết kế, ra mắt thử nghiệm và bàn giao cho hãng hàng không United Airlines. Với thời gian này là khá dài để có thể ra đời một dòng máy bay hoàn toàn mới.
Quá trình chế tạo:
Do thiết kế cồng kềnh của dòng máy bay mới, Boeing đã chính thức cho chế tạo dòng máy bay này tại nhà máy Renton của Boeing tại Seattle, bang Washington, Hoa Kỳ. Với nhà máy này, kích cỡ của nó lớn bằng một sân vận động bóng đá với diện tích 1 triệu m vuông.Với nhà máy này, có thể sản xuất một dòng máy bay mới êm ái, tiết kiệm nhiên liệu, an toàn và đáng tin cậy. Quy mỏ của Boeing 777 sau đó được sản xuất và giới thiếu trước công chúng vào ngày 9/4/1994, chiếc máy bay này là Boeing 777 đầu tiên thuộc mẫu 777-200. Chiếc máy bay này hiện tại là của hãng hàng không Cathay Pacific đang được trưng bày và bảo quản tại bảo tàng Tucson, Arizona, Hoa Kỳ. Chiếc máy bay này khi thử nghiệm trang bị 2 động cơ Pratt Whitney PW4000, sau khi hoạt động là trang bị 2 động cơ Rolls Royce Trent 800 là một loại động cơ độc quyền duy nhất sử dụng riêng cho Boeing 777, chiếc máy bay đang được trưng bày và đặc tính kỹ thuật.
Chuyến bay thử nghiệm:
Chỉ 2 tháng sau khi ra mắt. Khi tất cả đã đạt đề nghị, đội ngũ Boeing 777 đã cho máy bay này cất cánh lên bầu trời, bắt đầu quá trình thực hiện thử nghiệm trên không, thời khắc lịch sử cuối cùng cũng đã đến. Vào ngày 12/6/1994, Boeing 777 đã chính thức cất cánh lên bầu trời, mở ra kỷ nguyên mới cho ngành hàng không, Boeing 777 được chứng nhận cấp phép bay bởi cục hàng không mỹ FAA, cho phép các hãng hàng không sử dụng dòng máy bay này trên chặng bay thương mại của mình.
Chuyến bay thương mại:
Chuyến bay thương mại đầu tiên thuộc dòng Boeing 777-200 được khai thác bởi hãng hàng không United Airlines, khai thác trên chặng bay Washington - London vào ngày 7/6/1995. Trước khi Boeing 777 đi vào hoặt động, nhiều chuyên gia đã thắc mắc rằng các sân bay cỡ trung và vừa sẽ gặp khó khăn khi đón nhận một chiếc máy bay này do sự to lớn và cồng kềnh của nó. Tuy nhiên, trái ngược với các thắc mắc của nó, dòng Boeing 777 đã được chào đón, tiếp nhận một cách trang trọng đồng hậu, dòng Boeing 777 đã sớm trở thành một biểu tượng và được nhiều hãng hàng không mong muốn sở hữu.
Các phiên bản:
Kể từ khi được giới thiệu, dòng Boeing 777 có rất nhiều biến thể như Boeing 777-200, có phần đầu được sử dụng là phòng khách, khu vực ăn uống hoặc khoang dành cho khách cao cấp. Một phiên bản khác là Boeing 777-200ER hay Extended Range, có sức chở bằng nhau, tầm bay của nó được tăng thêm. Ngoài ra, có các phiên bản khác như Boeing 777-200LR, Boeing 777-300, Boeing 777-300ER và phiên bản chở hàng là Boeing 777F. Boeing 777X là một phiên bản mới, cải tiến, trang bị động cơ GE9X độc quyền dành riêng cho Boeing 777X, sải cánh dài hơn, cánh có thể gập lại khi ở mặt đất và có thể mở ra khi ở trên không. Giúp máy bay có thể tiết kiệm nhiên liệu, chở nhiều hành khách, êm ái hơn, tầm bay xa hơn, Boeing 777X bây giờ là một dòng máy bay lớn nhất thế giới vượt qua dòng máy bay dài nhất hiện tại là Boeing 747-8I.
Sau 3 thập kỉ, Boeing đã bàn giao gần 2000 chiếc máy bay Boeing 777 cho hơn từ 100 đến 150 hãng hàng không trên toàn thế giới. Nó là dòng máy bay an toàn nhất, hiện đại nhất, bán chạy nhất và thành công nhất của Boeing.
On a recent very long trip with multiple destinations, I traveled on Air France's 787-9, A330-200, 777-300ER, and A350-900, I found that I still preferred the 777 above them all. I surprisingly found the A350 to be somewhat clunky (especially during taxi) and uncomfortable. Much of this has to do with an airline's product, but in this case, the 777 was clearly the best and most comfortable. In a way, it is still in a class all its own. I know many folks who love everything new will sing the praises of the A350. I also know that when it comes to comfort, there are lots of factors at play, even within a fleet, seat location, etc... but all said my experience put the 777 as the clear leader with the 787 a close second.
I'm at odds with BCA lately, so Airbus for me.
7:20 WHY DOES IT SHOW AS THE 777-3000ER???????????
Splash AirDrake #GoArch
Who remembered. MH307
Boeing's reliability in stretching existing models has been stigmatized by the flying passengers of its doubtfulness of a safe aircraft - and with the over-stretched timing to have the X variant in the air, concerns can arise about the safety and airworthiness of this particular plane. Overloading and increasing the capacity of passengers aboard a plane, might not always be a solution for the hub&spoke model, which is being abandoned.
I would expect some rather awkward meetings if it gets delayed again.
Especially when you consider that the delays alone for the upgrade have taken than it took for the initial clean sheet design.
I am not going into the arguments over which company's planes are better. After all, many ways, it is rather subjective and/or dependant on the routes you plan to operate them on.
However, going on recent performance, Airbus has been far more successful than Boeing with their development schedules, something which isn't going unnoticed by the airlines.
As such, it may be yet another disastrous Boeing business decision to wait to see what Airbus does before committing themselves to further variants.
If it can be justified, they should go for it so as not to find themselves with a competitor the Airlines trust to be ready before the Boeing.
On the other hand, if they announced it before they had made significant progress on the new variant, again, based on recent performance, Airbus might still have their variant to market first.
Yes, Airbus has issues. It is just that at the moment, they seem to be more proficient at dealing with them.
I think you're getting your facts mixed up. When it comes to developing widebody aircraft, it's Airbus who usually waits to see what Boeing is doing, then reacts. This goes back as far as anyone can remember.
Credit goes to Airbus for their accomplishments in the narrowbody sector, but when it comes to widebody aircraft, Boeing rules the roost, and that's not going to change anytime soon.
Airbus is too busy honoring their commitments to deliver the huge narrowbody orders they have for them to dedicate any massive funds to develop a new aircraft that would match the 777-9. Even if they decide to join the race now, they won't have an aircraft ready for at least 5 years, and by then it will be too late. Boeing will likely be in the process of delivering another new game changing aircraft.
@sainnt I was not getting my facts mixed up about who historically followed who, for the simple reason that I didn't mention it!
My comment was about how quickly they can get a model into production and the confidence around how close the projected timescales and actual timescales will be.
However, so far as getting facts mixed up, I think that you will find that the A300 was the very first twin-engined wide-body, and it was approaching a decade ahead of the 767. This would rather blow your suggestion out of the water.
@@neilpickup237 Yes, that's an Airbus fan's claim to fame. However in 35 years of production, they only managed to sell 561. I'd agree that the 767 was a derivative, but the 757 wasn't. That aircraft gave birth to the A321.
It took Boeing 3 years to develop the 747, an all new aircraft.
Airbus takes less time to develop an aircraft because their aircraft are all derivatives of existing technology. In fact, the A300 and A380 were their only original concepts, and the A380 was a technological success, but not a commercial one. When your designs are based on existing concepts, you don't need as much time for development.
Now, I'll say that we can certainly blame the Max for how long it's taking aircraft to be certified nowadays, but it's a good thing for the general public.
We're not going to see an original aircraft from Airbus until the next decade, and even then, with talks about upward folding wingtips, it's going to end up being another derivative.
@sainnt You can't keep chopping and changing or adding arguments that have nothing to do with an original comment in an attempt to justify your stance.
You seem to have totally lost sight that the video and my comment related to the 777.
One minute, you are incorrectly arguing about wide‐bodies, before effectively saying that 500+ sales do not count, and then introduce the 757, which isn't even a widebody.
You then compare the sales of the 767 with the Airbus without acknowledging that Airbus at that time was only a small player and that compared to their size, the sales, while not in Boeing's league were truly amazing.
You talk about the 757 giving birth to the A321, but wasn't it just a larger A320 aimed at a different market? Hardly a competitor for the 757, which was designed with challenging routes in mind, something still not fully matched (although arguably more to do with a lack of suitable engines, than design shortcomings of current aircraft)
However, if you do think that it was, it certainly saw off the 757, which was unable to sell enough units to remain in production while the A321 has thrived.
Then you talk about folding wingtips as if they are something new. Yes, in their application, but we have had folding wings, a far more challenging technology for ages.
However, if you compare sales of the 767 with those of the A330, which has much in common with the A300/310, it doesn't fair quite so well. As I said, it all depends on what you choose to compare with what.
Just because someone says something negative about Boeing, it doesn't make them an Airbus fanboy or a Boeing hater. Any reasonable review will conclude in favour of different manufacturers' models depending upon category and use.
Talking Widebody. Regardless of how the statistics are selected, it is hard to deny that the 747, 767, and the 777 in all but their latest versions were great and profitable aircraft. Yet, while fantastic, the 787 still hasn't covered its development costs, and there is still the possibility that it may never do so. As such, it could even qualify as a financial failure. As for the 777x, on current projections, it may like the 747-8 fail on the profit front, too. However, I hope that is not the case.
@@neilpickup237 Nothing is being chopped. You left your objectivity behind and turned the debate to Boeing vs Airbus, so let's do that and not pretend.
You'd made a comment about it being a disastrous decision for Boeing to see what Airbus does next before coming up with another variant. I argued that it's actually the other way around, then you said you never said that. Okay.
Your points are valid about the 757, but the only reason why the A321 is selling, is precisely because there's no 757 replacement. Boeing has made the decision to build something all new, and ultimately, that's the wisest decision.
Now, the 787 did cost a massive amount to develop, but the A350 is a direct beneficiary of that investment. Agree or disagree, doesn't matter, but the fact is, when airlines saw the 787, the A330neo simply wasn't going to cut it so Airbus had to rush to the drawing board and build a copycat. Sure, the 787 isn't nearly as profitable as the A350, but Airbus didn't have to invest as much once the technology was public. Based on orders though, once all aircraft has been delivered, the 787 will be profitable. Can't say the same about the A380, which is really the last aircraft that Airbus designed from scratch.
And calling a planemaker that's backed by the economies of France, Britain, Germany and Belgium, just to name the top investors, a small player is laughable. The planemaker wasn't established with small ambitions, and are now only second to Boeing after Lockheed and McDonnell Douglas are no more.
The reason why the A330ceo has outsold the 767 is because Boeing split the roles of the aircraft with the 757, which didn't have to be a widebody, much like Airbus split the roles of the A330 and A340, but put 4 engines on the latter.. It should also be noted that the 767 was more in the same class as the A310, not the A330 which is a significantly larger aircraft. Only the 767-400 is comparable.
The A340 was built to compete with the 777, and we know how that turned out.
All credit goes to Airbus for what they've been able to accomplish in such a relatively short amount of time, but it doesn't hurt to have another player to 'borrow' ideas from. The Japanese were able to do the same in the auto industry.
B777 was built when they still had some sense of engineering left in it but now Boeing has completely gone down the drain.
Boeing could have just re-engined the B777-200 LR & B777-300 ER & relaunched the airframe with some more enhancements . . . call it the B777-8 (B777-300 ER) & B777-5 (B777-200 LR) if you will . . . it'd have been a cheaper facelift than the failing B777-9X program . . . and Boeing would have started selling quite a few units of the B777-8 by now . . . when Boeing launched the B777 program they killed their best selling B747-400 double deck wide body quad jet . . . and now Boeing is once again killing their best selling B777 twin engined wide body jet with the B777-9X . . .
Boeing. Always in disarray.
I don't understand the people saying that the 777 is a comfortable plane, I recently flew Emirates from FRA to HKG with a stopover in DXB. FRA to DXB using a 777-300ER in a 10 abreast configuration it was cramped, noisy and shaking (Not turbulance). While from DXB to HKG I flew on a A380-800, also a 10 abreast configuration, but it was comfortable, silent and generally felt incredibly roomy.
For anyone thinking that I am buyest, I am not.
Before the Pandemic, I flew on a Finnair A350-900 it was also quiet and very roomy, 9 abreast don't know about the 10 abreast. And also on the Virgin Atlantic B787-9, It was silent but also really cramped and the windows we're locked by the crew.
Airbus is really kicking boeing's ass at the moment, In terms of everything
The problem with most 777 play nowadays is the airline neglects to update the cabin and as a result it’s a very uncomfortable experience.
To be fair, I was flying with Turkish Airlines and it’s 777 while it was on, the ground was hotter than the Sahara desert…
It is a comfortable plane, because the 777 and the 787 will remain be flown with 2 pilots in the cockpit.
I will not be uncomfortable if my airbus flight is controlled by a single pilot in cruising altitude.
If Airbus is beating Boeing’s ass on everything then Airbus is also beating pilots’ ass adopting single pilot operations.
@@mxttyzw I dont understand your reasoning, the pilot count wont matter for how comfortable the ride is.
I dont know about single pilot operations, but if it we're true. Then it could still be a good thing if that means the pilot shortage could be partially solved, but at a risk of safety. Which the FAA and airlines dont want to take.
It probably would be very comfortable if airlines kept the 9-abreast configuration. Such a shame that they crammed in another.
A350 and A380 are much better then 777 in regard of passenger comfort, cabin layout and noise level. Specially important for 10+ hours transcontinental long haul flight.
Lol. The 777 killed the A380 and has outsold the A350.
The 777 is much better economical plane the A380. The A350’s cabin width were never that wide. And what makes preferred Boeing jets is that you’ll be flown with 2 pilots in the cockpit. Airbus is adopting single pilot operation on the A350 to increase profits of airlines, no way will never fly an airbus with one pilot on the cockpit.
Says who? You?
Most people fly coach, why don’t you guys celebrate planes that are best for the masses? The 777 with a 3/4/3 seating is the worst flying experience in coach ever. Who cares about the engine size or fuselage width. This plane is awful.
Don't blame the plane blame the greedy airline
Maybe show a Pakistan International plane instead of Air India when mentioning the 200LR! Pakistan is India's biggest enemy so rather dissapointing for me
It's just stock footage. Calm down
@@jakewatson2660 exactly so it's available for PIA too.
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B777 the easiest and most reliable jet to work on The B737 Max the crappiest jet ever made
Awesome plane