The BEST Sorcerer Multi-Class Tier list | Dungeons and Dragons 5e
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The Sorcerer is one of the most mid classes in all of dungeons and dragons. it is outclasses by the wizard in nearly every circumstance, however there are use cases for it and I think they are valuable to look into Offbeat Outlaw today goes through all of the different classes and how they multiclass with the Sorcerer
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I enjoy sorcerer more than wizard. Not saying better or worse, just that I enjoy sorcerer more. I enjoy metamagics a lot, and the subclasses are very thematic (huge fan of divine soul sorcerer)
So, quick notice on the Artificer multiclass section. It seemed like you really focused on the Replicate Magic Item infusion rather than the other alternative infusions Artificer grants, not to mention other options gained. For just taking a level in Arti, not as your starting, just for taking a level at all, you get light and medium armor, and shield proficiencies, which ups Sorc's AC by a LARGE margin, especially combined with some of the infusions.
Speaking of, some real highlights for sorcerer at levels 2 and 6 are Enhanced Defense (free +1 armor or shield, non-attunement) and Mind Sharpener (Up to 4 automatic concentration successes that trigger on a failure with recharging uses, non-attunement, Double Haste never seemed like a better idea) for 2 levels, and access to Repulsion Shield (+1 shield that knocks melee attackers back 15ft as a reaction with no save, attunement, stacks with Enhanced defense), Resistant Armor (Armor that grants 1 elemental damage type resistance including damage types not blocked by Absorb Elements, attunement) and the Spell-Refueling Ring (As an action, recover a 3rd level or lower spell slot once per day, great in a pinch in combat, as a mini-restock out of combat, or just generally as extra sorc point fuel)
Not to mention things like healing (Even healing word access through Alchemist) and other utility and support spell access on a prepared spell list so you dont need to spend your valuable sorc spells known on something like Absorb Elements or Feather Fall, things you want but due to limitations may not be able to justify.
Though I must admit, the fact that it splits your casting between both INT and CHA is a pretty substantial drawback, especially in point buy based games, and you can only have so many infusions online at a time, but overall I think Sorc plays a bit nicer with Arti than initially given credit for. I apologize if this was a tough aggressive sounding, was not my intention, just wanted to bring forward some synergies that your tier list appeared to not take into account. But perhaps these points, at least regarding the infusions, could be seen as an explanation as to how having an artificer teammate can really help sorc out just as much as they are an endorsement of a potential multiclass.
Here is how the AC of the Fighter multiclass breaks down.
Let's assume a Dex of 3
Mage armor 13+3 = 16 AC
Studded Leather 12+3+1 (defensive fighting style) + 2 (shield) = 18 AC
At 2nd level you have made mage armor obsolete. gained self healing, and MOST important of all... You have opened yourself up to more magical equipment choices for the entire campaign.
or fighter 2 sorcerer
to get plate (18, technically only cuts movement speed without denying spellcasting, so you can dump str and dex), the defense fighting style (+1), shields (+2); self healing (sure it's only d10+2...); action surge; keep proficiency in con saves to hold concentration spells better
tl;dr: 21 ac, self heal, action surge, better concentration, only 3 stats needed (con and cha; 13 in str or dex)
@@captainpolar2343 My math was just the bare minimum. To prove a point about how Mage Armour is a D-tier spell.
@@karsten69 touche, but point still stands
Yo it's the wizard tier list part 2!!!
The sorcerer slander is crazy
LOL
Dang, that's messed up. 😢 Good joke though.
It’s funny because the sorc is just a worse wizard but it’s still the second strongest class in the game.
@@kevinelston404 it's only a weaker nuke
Sorlock is great for my analysis paralysis....I don't have to worry about what spells to prepare each "day"...if it is on either of my spell lists and I have slots I can cast it.
I'm actually running a Warlock Sorcerer who's about to dip into Paladin. We picked up a fancy short-sword a while back that scales REALLY well. I'm looking forward to those Divine Eldritch Smites.
I do think that Wizard was a bit underrated here. Sculpt Spells from the School of Evocation makes AOE spells completely safe (fireballs being better is always welcome).
While you can pick up your level 1 spells when first multiclassing into Wizard, you still do have access to those high level Wizard spells. Due to the wording of copying a spell into a Wizard's spellbook, you only have to have a spell slot of the corresponding level to copy a spell into your spellbook. Your only limit is having to acquire a spell scroll or a Wizard buddy with that spell in their spellbook. Your Sorcerer spells can then focus on a majority of damaging spells while pushing all of your utility spells to your prepared Wizard spells.
I actually really like a 1 level dip into Cleric for Sorcerer, you can still start Sorcerer (to keep Con save prof) and get medium armor+shields and even heavy armor depending on the domain.
I like Order a lot; Being a tank in plate+a shield and being able to do fun stuff like to Twin Vortex Warp your rogue and your paladin friends both into melee, which then procs Voice of Authority having your rogue attack as a reaction to get easy off-turn sneak attack (that they now qualify for because the Paladin is with them). And if somehow Silvery Barbs isn't banned at the table, setting up Voice of Authority as a reaction off-turn all really helps scratch that Warlord/battlefield controller type 5e is missing.....I guess this is all about Order so far but uh....Other ones are good too, Forge gives you heavy armor plus an extra 1 AC on top of that, Tempest like you said, Peace is also really good because Emboldening Bond times per day is based on your proficiency bonus and bless isn't based on wisdom so those combined kind of just break the game for a 1 level investment.
YES I'VE BEEN SO EXCITED FOR THE RETURN OF THE TIER LISTS!!!!!
Just glad to see you making dnd content again!
The best Multi Class for Sorcerer can be achieved with a single dip into Hexblade Warlock if you want to burn a feat to grab Agonizing Blast. Now take Agonizing Blast and merge it with Quicken metamagics. If you stack Hex + Hex Blades Curse and Quicken Agonizing Blasts, you will be doing so much dizzzamage - you're basically a magical gunner. At lv 10 you can be throwing out 6 blasts. Insane.
Since he's had so much experience breaking down each class, I'd love to hear OffbeatOutlaw's take on what improvements should be made to the sorcerer class
Sorcerer with Eldritch Knight is perfection, gives you a ton more cantrips
While I agree for the most part, one thing I think you forgot to mention a couple things about the Paladin.
Divine Smite uses a spell slot to deal extra damage, which as a sorcerer you have a lot of. And with sorcery points you can recharge your spell slots for more smites. This means you're consistently slamming massive numbers on your melee attacks. These also stack with the smite spells, which while you only have the 1-2 level smite spells they can be upcast for massive damage. They ALSO also stack with the weapon cantrips greenflame blade and booming blade, turning your single hit into a nuke on a stick, as it were.
Paladin sorcerer is one of my favorite multiclass builds for this reason. It's very resource heavy but the sheer number of dice you can roll on a single swing of a sword is just the greatest high.
Ye that’s why it’s an A tier babyyyyy.
The mind sharpener artificer can make at lvl 2 I think is worth it your concentration can't be broken up to 4 times
I agree that Cleric is... situational at best. There are some good combinations, Divine Soul + Life Domain, Any Sorc + Tempest Domain. Order Domain actually allows for a rather potent buff mage, since you can allow a melee character to get extra attacks in during your turn. A one-level dip with Twilight also grants 300ft darkvision that you can share with the party, as well as giving one party member advantage on initiative (no per-day limit, just only one person at a time)
Stars druid is one of the best multiclasses for every full caster and you get some great spells.
Not quite seeing the argument here, how do you figure?
Let's see what you get: guidance, second best cantrip in game... dip in cleric can get ya same result.
Guiding bolt... terrible cause it scaled with wisdom... also dip in cleric can get ya it or better divine sorcerer, then you can twin spell and hit hard two creatures and give advantage on attack roll against them... Now forms: Archer is useless... chalice is pretty good, free heal when you cast spells and dragon is super useful for concentration and well if you dont have much skills in arcana, medicine and etc... but that too specific... still dont see much use for dip into it
@@Makareno94 and you also don’t want to dip to get omen either otherwise you never bet high level spells. Definitely not necessary
Wild shape dragon constellation to almost indefinetaly maintain constitution, and a great spell list.
@@theodorheidhues2566 the dragon form is good however it’s only a single use case and doesn’t provide enough IMO to warrant 2 full levels
I just like the funny with bard barbarian and haveing the barbarian be wildmagic being when you rage your magic goes crazy which makes you not able to use magic but give you random magical affects but other than that i get it XD
Rogue also gets expertise which can make you better with utilities, or sneaking, or being less squishy if you use it for athletics or acrobatics
Pssssh. I got a weird build for you. Mystical Monk
Clockwork Soul Sorcerer 8/Kensei Monk 8/Bladesinger Wizard 4
*33 Max AC assuming standard Array and finding a Headband of Intellect. If you roll stats you won't even need that. AC only goes up with Bracers of Defense and other defensive magical items.
- AC 33 = Monk AC (20) + Shield Spell (5) + Bladesong (4 Headband of Intellect or good rolls) Kensei Weopon Defense (2) + Haste (2)
*Descent saves all round
*Has Multi Attack and Quicken Booming Blades/Green Flame Blade
* All the good Gish spells up to level 4 like Improved Invisibility
*Aid, Lesser Restoration, Freedom of Movement, Counterspell, Dispel, Protection from Evil/Good
*And up to 6th level spell slots to fill in with upcasted counterspells, Aid and Armor of Agathys.
*Amazing AC plus Damage Reduction stack = Aid + Armor of Agathys + Bastion of Law (Clockwork rechargeable 5d8 Damage Reduction)
Hard to kill, deals good damage and it's weird. A Wizard/Sorcerer straight caster beats anything, but this is a fun alternative that can solo a Balor. It's optimized for the weird concept is all I can say.
I might like to say, Paladin/Sorcerer is less MAD then you think, DEX/CON/CHA is just a Dex Paladin anyways and if you play a Devotion Paladin if you are struggling to hit you can use their Channel to get the extra bonus to hit.
I was looking for a reason to change my character. Well it looks like im going to have to keep my character as is :)
I have played a monk sorcerer multi-class it was pretty fun I was a Goliath clockwork soul sorcerer way of the four elements a monk
I mean if were playing devils advocate with barbarian,warlocks actually really good with barbarian since some of there abilitys arent a actual spell. For 1 lvl hexblade,you get a free magic weapon,armor of agathys and hexblades curse
Fun fact,armor of agathys isnt concentration so if you cast before rage it will stick. Additionaly 3 lvls will give you 2nd lvl spells for utility/upcasted armor of agathys,and pact of the blade.
If were talking other subclasses
Fiendlock lets you kill people and get temp hp
And undeadlocks form of dread is pretty solid.
Plus,once your 5th lvl warlock you get acsess to eldritch smite.
If were going a lvl 20 character,15 barb and 5 in hexblade,fiend or undeadlock is actually not completely bad. Hell if you really want to be evil with armor of agathys take sentinel and force enemys to stay in melee.
Plus if you have to hit at a distance before rage,eldritch blast is amazing
There are niche instances where the cleric dip does a lot for sorcerer. You can justify the dip with a 13 wisdom and get the stable support spells.
Yo, the Artificer can have two infusions at level 2. Pick Mind Sharpener (you can choose to succeed on a Concentration save that you failed, 4 times per long rest) and either Enhanced Defense (+1 to AC) or Enhanced Arcane Focus (+1 to spell attack rolls). You would 3 spells from the Artificer spell list, and you could pick spells that don't rely on the spellcasting modifier so you don't need to worry about your INT score.
Being able to autosave 4 Concentration saves per long rest just nuts. And getting the medium armor proficiency and then adding Enhanced Defense to it gives you up to 18 AC assuming your Dex mod is at least +2. Being able to auto Concentration saves and having a higher AC to reduce how often you take damage from attacks combined together makes it much easier to maintain concentration on really powerful spells while being closer to the enemies.
Sorry, I just love the Artificer so much. Any full caster would benefit from a 2 level dip into Artificer. Hell a 3 level dip gives you the Armorer subclass, which allows you to be proficient in heavy armor and also wear it without meeting the STR requirement, which would increase your AC up to 19 assuming you have Plate Armor. Or you could do the Artillerist subclass and get the mothafuckin Eldritch Cannon (2d8 damage as a bonus action for one hour, can make one again using any spell slot).
The concentration saves are nice, however sorcerer already has proficiency, if you take variant human you can get warcaster by level 1. The armor is also nice and maybe it’s better than where I put it, but the concentration saves isn’t a great argument for sorcerer.
Sorcerer paladin(aka sorcadin) us very strong but it's a build that you gotta know what you're doing and also have to have rolled good stats along with it being a feat hungry build. With everything lining up, sorcadins are monsters in combat but if you don't know what you're doing then you can get punished vadly
so would it be cool to go eloquence-bard with my divine souls sorcerer or am i better of solo-classing?
Im just waiting on the glyph of warding Divine soul sorcerer build. Glyph your bless on location of allies, bane enemies. Splash fighter, eloquence bard, and one could cast another leveled spell, maybe Tasha's mind whip prior to bane...
How many ways can you find to let a Sorcadin make melee weapon attacks with their Charisma?
Hex blade warlock dip is the best and only way in base 5e. If you only want sorcadin then focus dex for melee
So, Sorlocks are easily top tier. I did however do a sorc/Monk multi once. The strat behind it was to take three levels in Monk so I could get Open Hand. It was more a safety net thing than anything else. If somebody got in my face, I could just push them 5ish feet and chuck a spell. That was the entire reason.
I don't think wizard sorcerer deserves A if cleric sorcerer does not.
Healing word, guidance, heavy armor (half of the clerics gives heavy the others medium), shields, a channel divinity and it doesn't ruin your spell progression.
Sorcerers usually don't have over 16 dex until reaaallly high levels, meaning they have 16 ac with mage armor. Heavy armor and a shield means 20ac, if you are a forge cleric you can completely forego the 'shield' spell for the +5 ac.
The shield spell is always worth it. With point buy you can get a 16 dex by level 5 with an 18 charisma. By level 6 you pick up wizard and now you have the shield spell giving you a potential 21 ac this frees up more spell slots to be taken by damage spells for the sorcerer. If your ac improves by increasing your dex you can get up to an 18/23 ac.
Love it
Cleric can give medium armor and shields, even heavy armor through some subclasses, with a 1-level dip, along with a few good spells that my not use wisdom much, like Bless or Healing Word.
Those spells can already be acquired through the divine soul sorcerer. The armor can be acquired through other classes.
@@OffbeatOutlaw If I'm already a sorcerer, what class can I multi into besides cleric that can give me heavy armor?
(to add; I understand heavy armor for a caster isn't always ideal because of the strength requirement, but realistically the movement speed isn't that much of a penalty since you kind of want to stay in the back anyway)
@@OffbeatOutlaw Divine Soul is one subclass, and, especially with how it has only one bonus spell, but a 50% bigger spell list ( excluding cantrips ), it is not as good as the Tasha ones. And with a minimum of 2 bonus spells, a 1-level dip in Cleric could even be decent on a Divine Souls, with how it takes a bit of pressure from the Sorcerer spells known.
And no, there is nothing that can give you heavy armor through a 1-level dip if it's not taken at first-level, and nothing can do both that and preserve spell slot progression. Though the other one that can give you heavy armor and preserve your Con save proficiency is Fighter, which is an extremely good multiclass in its own right if taken one or two levels further.
If you just want medium armor and shields and are not choosing your first level, Hexblade and Paladin are better, probably also Fighter, with Cleric being between them and Artificer, yes, but Cleric still isn't bad. Peace is Peace, with its quadratic PB scaling, but other 1st-level features are good, even without going Twilight.
@@TheMemitim you could do armorer artificer
@@draghettis6524 I just don’t feel like it gets you that much more. Heavy armor VS medium armor isn’t insane. A good breast plate and a shield are just as good as plate. Getting hex blade gets shield spell and shield and medium armor proficiency. I just don’t see it as being more valuable is all
Actually i think that Ranger sorcerer can be at least High B tier, any class with extra attack can benefit greatly from quicken spell so they can almost double their action economy even with lower level spells it's worth it. Also Ranger have a very solid spell list that can seriously be game changing. Summon Spiritual Beast (or what's called the summon spell from tasha) is very good both as summon and utility since it allows you to Summon the beast of air that can effectively carry you letting you fly (with a 2nd level spell slot) it's a worse than the fly spell but still solid and you can get tons of use with it. As a half caster you get a reasonable amount of spell slots. Than there is Pass without traces that is bonkers especially with subtle spells that opens a lot of possibilities you could arrange prepared actions and cast of Subtle Minor illusion (Or really any spell that could work as a distraction) followed by a subtle Pass without traces as prepared action and than the Hide action you can easily let your whole party vanish during a social encounter (if played smartly), on top of that you get expertise so you almost can't fail a stealth check. A Sorcerer Ranger can easily be one of the most versatile combinations of class in the game and i'm paying one in an Eberron Campaign and it's doing really well, he doesn't have the highest numbers but his versatility and utility are insane even without any subclass. A Ranger with Shield,silvery barbs,Shadow Blade, Misty Step, Quickened Tasha's Mind Whip, Quickened Spike Growth is just a straight up better version of the ranger no matter if you are a swarmkeeper, Drake Warden, Feywild, Hunter not even counting the Gloom Stalker that would be insane with blind fighting. This combo of classes is really understimated because he does not shines in the numbers but in the sheer possibilities it opens up , i think that if you make a Ranger/Sorcerer fight against a Sorcadin if the Ranger/Sorcerer (Sanger?Rorcerer?) plays like a guerrilla fighter wearing the paladin down abusing positioning and pass without trace the paladin would lose most of the time if the fight it's in an actual enviroment and not a white room and even in a white room you just don't abuse pass without trace but the Beast of air to let you stay away from melee range.
These are great suggestions for a main class ranger. Sorcerer ranger would be worse in every way because of this.
Ranger sorcerer good.
Sorcerer ranger bad.
@@OffbeatOutlaw Yeah true, You Need 5 Ranger levels to make It work and than you go sorcerer and never look back
Tabletop builds disagrees with Offbeat Outlaw.
@@RealLifeIronMan you mean pack tactics? Well i disagree with pack tactics too It's the youtuber with i find myself in disagreement the most but Who cares? I still Watch his video and It's nice to hear a different Bell. Also i disagree with off beat outlaw too from time to time because we have different priority in mind when Building a character, i actually think that It's Better this way. After all there Is no "right" way to build or play a character, Min/maxing Is Just something that some people like to play while others limit themselves to theorycraft at each Is own.
But ofc my way of Building and playing characters Is the best and all of you are Just a bunch of newbie (i'm clearly joking)
@@Shamalaya311 Tabletop builds is a website. PackTactics likes the site, but it isn't just him. Long story short, TTB's says ranger (particularly gloomstalker) is a good multiclass to acquire "Pass without Trace" and other helpful features.
Shepard druid to do heal chain, but thats bout it
sorcerer rouge definitely are not the most optimal but they are hell of fun just try a swashbuckler sorcerer and if possible make him a pirate and you will understand the fun
As a sorcerer main I like the options you gave but I reject the idea that a sorcerer is worse than the wizard, just saying
I expect self destruct wizard here
Why would you use dex build for a sorcerer/paladin. Just take paladin at level 1 to get heavy armor proficiency. Then you can wear plate armor and use the objectively better strength weapons. I would argue that you are still a sorcer who multiclassed into paladin (not the other way around) as long as most of your levels for most of the game are in sorcerer.
Because if you multivlass into paladin then you get the medium armor and if you focus dex this helps initiative and your AC. Strength weapons aren’t objectively better as long as the rapier exists. In order to get the good armor you need to invest heavily in strength (15 is a lot for a sorcerer) whereas if you invested in dex it’s easier to justify.
bard tier list when?
Sorcerer is better than wizard, meta magic kicks ass
Yo can we have druid or ranger next on these, they consistently rank low and feel useless to a degree
As multiclasses they are typically weak, as classes on their own they are quite strong
The only casters that are good with barbarian are Druid and artificer (if you count that as a caster )
and for the Druid one you literally need to take the non casters subclass
Its like if you were a fighter, but got less attacks and damage then a fighter... so basically palidans in every other eddition.. or rangers.
Paladins and rangers get a pass because of spell casting. Monks tho…
Hello
Sure, Sorcerers are just bad Wizards, but Wizards are batshit broken so being a bad version of that is still more powerful than 90% of the shit in the game lmao
I thrive in the world where I can take shitty ideas and make them work. Thanks for the low tier thoughts. I’m off.
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Like a fighter but do less damage than a fighter......... you must mean barbarian.