@@gonoroad2160 well the dm gave the barbarian a gem from the flame skull that went into his forehead and gave him a command word to cast certain spells he rolls to see which spell it is every day the die is a d8 on an 8 fireball
The barbarian paladin definitely deserves higher, far higher in my opinion. Yes, you cant cast spells, yes you can't concentrate, but cast spells are frankly what the paladin is known the least for. taking only two levels of barbarian and reckless attacking with smites is an awesome combo. simply two levels and you get more damage, far better tanking, and better crit range. If I know anything about paladins, those saucy boys save smites for crits and blow shit away.
Agreed, not to mention you get multiple rages, so if you really need to cast something you can drop rage, cast what you need, and rage next turn. If you're multiclassing into Barbarian, you are doing so for the rage and the subclass, may as well use your resources. (Also reckless plus smiting is scary.)
I completely agree, I would place them A tier personally. They lack the spell casting but in turn lean in on the martial side and can still manage some non spell based support. You’re losing a part of your tool kit to better specialize yourself, which is not always bad.
paladin spells are amazing, what do you mean? Smites are a backup tool when used optimally. Earlier levels you'll rely on bless more than smites, later levels things like destructive wave and circle of power become much more attractive options too. There's not a lot of room there for smites outside of specific situations, e.g one specific creature needs to die immediately, like one with possession or mind control magic, or one with feeblemind or even power word kill/divine word.
@@nonenone-hv5iq yeah some paladin spells are good but, destructive wave? in a party of level 17 characters? Wizards are dropping Meteor swarm. No, a paladin that late in the game is far better of offer decent support while dealing massive single-target damage while taking massive blows. Early game, yes dropping a bless🙏 is great, but so is gaining resistance against the physical damage types(Which is most likely what you are getting hit with at low levels), and dropping massive damage is undeniably also really good. I'm not saying paladin spell casting sucks, but going taking a few levels in barbarian is a VERY effective option.
I think the point of these is to make the class better at what it already does. For monks, that’s actually hard because everything they do revolves around ki, which scales only with your monk level and SO SLOWLY. There are certain classes that are worth losing out on ki points for, but not many. Ranger is a clear god tier because the stats line up perfectly, hunter’s mark on anything with extra attack is great (and monks make a lot of attacks), and the Gloomstalker Ranger is like the Hexblade Warlock for monks.
Peace cleric 1 monk x makes for fun support Druid 2 monk x is a good boost for wisdom based monk subclasses Fighter 2-3 monk x makes a great archer build Ranger 3 monk x has great sub and spell options Bladesinger 6 is the only thing I can think of and if most of your levels are still in monk you're already in high level play
Don't forget: Warlock pact of the blade can double smite, which is frankly insane. If you went hexblade for that, and you're criting on a 19, add in some gimmick to get advantage and throw an extra... 20+ d8s on that vs. a fiend or undead? Good day sir.
The only real downside to getting double smite is it's pretty deep into warlock, since it's locked to warlock level 5. By then you've cut into paladin spell progression noticeably and warlock didn't give you any more slots (though they did get stronger).
@@TheEmperorGulcasa true but if you commit to warlock a little further you do end up with more powerful slots than those available at base to paladin (11 paladin/ 9 warlock) and if you are HB you get a wider variety of smite spells to play with
the problem is you need 5 levels of warlock the advantage is that you get hight slot to smite and they regen at short rest just add some levels ins sorcerer and you are done
Honestly one of my favorite characters was a 13 str rogue/paladin. I went bugbear, assassin rogue (3 levels) starting for the extra skills and finesse weapons, then conquest paladin for the rest. Essentially I went rapier and shield dex pali, had expertise in stealth, and would generally never fail to surprise the enemy. This meant my attacks would crit, I’d get sneak attack (2d6), bugbear surprise (2d6), divine smite (2d8), and any bonus action smites, all with a guaranteed crit. Because surprise is basically a free turn where the enemies who were surprised are screwed, plus I went sentinel for even more lockdown, I would burst an opponent and if they survived the first turn of combat I would simply terrify them and keep them locked down. It was very fun
I started paladin at my first game, for exactly the reasons you listed! I can confirm it gave me a great understanding of the game. I was playing an oath of redemption paladin, so I was also able to be the face of the party after a few sessions. I ended up turning kind of evil and got to experience the oathbreaker subclass as well. Lots to love playing a paladin in your first ever campaign.
I once made an armor artificer druid. The druid says, "Worn equipment functions as normal, but the DM decides whether it is practical for the new form to wear a piece of equipment, based on the creature's shape and size". The artificer says, "The armor attaches to you and ... expands to cover your entire body". Because the armor shapes to you, you can greatly increase the AC of the beasts which normally have low ACs and higher MHP.
I played a Paladin/Barbarian Tiefling in a campaign. Choosing between raging and concentrating on a spell is tough, but there’s more versatility than i think the build gets credit for. The amount of damage that you can get from a critical hit (and reckless attack to make that happen more often) makes the build so much fun! It might not be the most powerful build, but it fit the character I was playing, and what I was going for mechanically with the character. You basically feel like an anime protagonist if you take a greatsword and the GWM feat.
I love the barbarian/paladin combo as a purely offensive paladin. You lose out on defenses by ditching the plate armor, but having advantage on your attacks means more crits, and you can save your best smite slots to use on one of these crits. Running into a horde of fiends as a holy warrior with anger issues, landing a few crits and smiting the shit out of your enemies has never felt so good.
Well, if your playing like that, your charisma's just there for aura of protection, which is alright, but not necessary, so have a +2/3 in that, and focus on con/str/Dex so you have 20 ac and you destroy everything
Surprised by barbarian. That was an easy, easy A for me. High saves, half damage, high ac, with a reckless smite for good fun? Easy A. The rest add up to me, too. Is s good list.
@@frungggg A paladin should be, yep. This ain't a paladin, it's a multiclass. I've played this combo twice, 2 different ways, and it was a monster in both cases. I watched another friend with 13 CHA play this combo, only cast spells outside of combat, and was an unstoppable smite machine/magnet for buff spells. Oh. AND you couldn't stop him from getting to a downed ally to lay them hands. Bear totem just ignored damage and let the paladin part work in peace.
While Bard is an easy multiclass that gives a lot of utility and slots, I feel like it's feature synergy is a fair bit lower than Sorcerer. It doesn't give con save proficiency, a lot of it's spells are concentration and base paladin is still very melee centric. You can use inspire to help but you will run out of inspires fast if you are taking hits frequently. Sorcerer doesn't give as many spells, but it can give you con save proficiency and more importantly quicken spell is such a powerful benefit to Paladin spell casting. Paladin's action is so much more valuable than most other easy Sorcerer pairings. It makes Paladin's normally awkward spell casting of having to stop being a dps no longer a problem. Divine soul also gives access to a lot of damage spells that the Paladin would like such as Spirit Guardians. Fighter I feel like has a lot of redundancy. Does give con saves, which is nice. But Paladin would already get all the armor and weapon options. Paladin already also gets a lot of the fighting styles that it would need for it's melee centric life already, so a second is nice but less useful (and paladin can't well leverage the stronger ones it didn't get like archery). Paladin also already has self healing. Unless you are going really deep into fighter, Paladin already had extra attack too. Action surge lets you nova even harder, but fighter is still limiting spell slot progression a fair bit so you are going to run out of gas ridiculously fast. You can also attack and cast the same turn with it like with sorcery points, but the default Paladin spell list isn't that impactful. Warlock's only disappointing aspect is that Hexblade's MAD reduction doesn't work with the best melee weapons unless you go fairly deep into Warlock. Double smite is hilarious though, especially with hexblade expanded crit range. Also a really kick ass ranged option is always something Paladin really wants.
Two things I will point out, I think these multiclass tier lists assume you start in the mentioned class so no con saves for Paladin. And counter point for Sorcerer, they are really freaking good on a Paladin but if you want the resources to do stuff you need a lot of levels in sorcerer and they have a d6 hit die which sucks. I pretty much agree with you for everything else.
@@spanishinquisition7623 Did he say that? I thought he just said that the tier list is for most levels being in the main class. He did mention con saves in a previous one and said he didn't weight them too heavily since you can pick up resilient con or warcaster. I will definitely agree that when you go Sorcerer, it is tempting to just keep going deeper in because of how rewarding it is. I'd assume given the premise of the tier list that for a 20th level build you're going at least 11 into Paladin, which is still plenty beefy though, especially with access to shield and absorb elements now. Sorcerer does give a bit up front with subclasses, like divine soul giving favored by the gods. Then you get your cantrips, which means a decent ranged option now, and access to the booming blade warcaster combo. Then the defensive spells. Then by level 3 you get metamagic, which means at least 1 use of quicken and like subtle. 5 levels gets you 2 uses of quicken and 3rd level spells, which is a more than reasonable stopping point.
Assuming you take at least 3 levels in a given class along with paladin. I'd probably rank the top 4 as warlock, bard, fighter, and sorcerer. Sorcerer: while you get your subclass early, I feel like only a handful are that impactful. And while you get the largest spell list, you have the fewest spells known, meaning you can really take advantage of it without investment. The d6 can also hurt your survivability if you play in melee, although starting as a sorcerer does give con saves, it comes at the cost of heavy armor. Fighter: You sacrifice spells for more short rest features, which can be clutch if you get to take them. Most of the subclasses are impactful even if they require 3 levels, and they often supplement melee well. The major downside is that extra attack does not stack. Bard: A full casters with a d8. You get more spells known allowing you to add to more utility then a sorcerer. A decent number of slots for smites, and inspiration, which blends well with auras. Most subclasses are also good, with blades even buffing your martial ability. The major downside is that inspiration is not a shot rest feature until level 5. Warlock: Hexblade gives you charisma as attack stat and hexblades curse(which scales with proficiency meaning its damage is not hindered by multiclassing. The extra attack is also an optional feature, so you can simply switch out later once you get a paladin's extra attack. And in just 3 levels you can use any weapon as your pact weapon But base warlock still gives you the best cantrips, short rest casting, and early subclass options. The only downside is that you have so few spells slots.
@@thefulcrum4466 For sorcerer, I feel like the subclasses aren't that important and more spell slots, sorcery points and spells are. If you're majority Paladin you're not a main spell caster really, so having a ton of spell variety isn't that important. It's more important to get a few very decisive ones, which Sorcerer has wide access to. For Bard my main issue is that it's focused heavily on casting without solving casting in combat the way sorcerer or fighter do. Bardic inspiration is nice but fights for bonus action, which can be rather busy for Paladin already. Fighter I'm about half way on subclasses. Some are definitely very potent. But some are very not and frankly I think are a waste of a level. Like the samurai's feature is solid but has so few uses. Champion expanded crit range is fine but I don't think worth the levels, especially when hexblade offers the same thing. Banneret gives you a limp bonus heal. Arcane archer is a ranged subclass. I'd say more than half of fighter subclasses are just not worthwhile. A few are very good and can be worth the lost spells though. Again, I will also say that action surge isn't that big on Paladin. Full casters can get big double spell casts, but base Paladin doesn't have such high impact spells or enough spell slots. Double attacks is nice but unless you smite on most of the hits it's weaker than fighter who has more extra attacks. Cast and attack is one of the best uses but you limited your spell progression with fighter. Warlock I feel like the spell slot number actually isn't very bad. For a 1-3 level dip with 2 short rests a day you are getting 3-6 spell slots a day. That's probably more than what you lost in paladin progression. The deeper you go into warlock the more it becomes a problem since they don't get another slot till 11th level, but there's not that much reason to go super deep into warlock other than like eldrich smite I guess at 5.
I agree, i've never played a Bard/Paladin but have imagined a few builds. I have played Hexadins and Sorcadins and found Sorcadins were the most dmg dealing and fun to play with personally speaking.
*Paladin/ Bard slams spear tip first into the ground. The Sound of Warrant's Cherry Pie fills the air* "What's his oath to again?" "The streets." 🤣😂🤣 Seriously though, amazing list Offbeat!
Just came across your channel, i love your takes, excited to see ur thoughts on bard multiclasses as im currently playing one and am thinking of multiclassing but am not sure which way to go, maybe divination wizard 2 or 3 cause i have a 14 intelligence for some reason :D
Great video. I would like to see a top 10 to 15 list of the best sub-classes multi-classed with Paladin. Hexblade, bladesinger, etc. I’ve got a PC that’s been running a Paladin oathbreaker-7/ college of Whispers bard 6/ hexblade 1to great effect in combat and in social intrigue. It’s been fun to see.
I think you oversold Druid for one key reason: they won’t wear metal armor, says so in the PHB. All heavy armor and most medium armor is off the table now, meaning you need a high Dex score to boost your AC. Now you need high Dex, minimum 13 in strength, wisdom, and charisma, and a non-negative con score so you aren’t eaten alive. Yes, Druids are good on their own, but this armor caveat kills so many options with multiclassing by making it extremely MAD and lowering AC by so much. I would have ranked this top of C tier at best, the support options and spell slots being the only reason it doesn’t fall down to monk tier. For the next tier list, I would love to see Druid or monk. They both play great on their own, but they also don’t synergize with other classes very well. Druids’ aversion to metal armor, and monks to armor in general, makes them both alienate the martial classes like Fighter and Paladin, and monks’ MADness makes them annoying to pair with spellcasters. I’m curious to see how you lay out the tier list for these two classes.
@@irishlad4723 it just says they won’t wear metal armor. However, they lack proficiency in heavy armor, so they can’t cast spells in heavy armor. Medium metal armor I’m not sure of.
For the most part, I solidly agreed! The only things we differ on is with the rogue possibly being a tier on the numbers game. Besides that, great list man!!!
I would love to see a monk tier list even though they aren't my favorite class. It just seems like they (and ranger to an extent) are fairly stand-alone classes so seeing who works well with them as a base seems interesting to me. Much love
If you keep making these for all the classes I'll keep watching them for all the classes. It's fun, always funny to see fighter go high but hey it ain't your fault they're good :P I'm excited to see one for Rogue, not a lot of MADcy with them only needing Dex (even that's negotiable in some builds) and being very flexible about their mental stats
Depending what your wanting I recommend, fighter or sorcerer (highly receommend) or warlock (highly recommend) or barbarian. Best classes to go with your pally class. Bard is a bit meh as it goes against what pally wants to do and leads you to either be a tanky backliner or a squishier frontliner with too many actions to do.
Hexadin is one of my favorite builds I made recently. At first my DM looked at me funny when I rolled up with my lvl 1 paladin with only a 13 str and a 20 cha (we roll for stats). It all dawned on him once I got my first level increase
Paladin/Wizard is so good! Specifically Bladesinger. This is because you can smite with your wizard slots! Just taking two levels in paladin to get divine smite is so worth it for a bladesinger. You can dish out smites like it’s nothing!
@@PUNishment777 Agreed, you need a 13 in 3 stats where you’re better off multiclassing on a class that needs strength or charisma already. Perhaps a college of swords bard or a Paladin barbarian.
ive been thinking about this for the last couple videos of this but would you be willing to do a bloodhunter dedicated video like this and also show us where blood hunter would rate in the other classes?
Paladin rogue is actually really nice, giving you expertise in skills, uncanny dodge and evasion for damage tanking, sneak attack... because it's busted, cunning action for bonus action disengage or dash for more utility, and several great subclass options like swashbuckler, thief, and soulknife. Plus if you're playing a dex paladin you won't even have to invest in a new stat!
funny thing is, I saw this and wondered about warlock. My kid brother went Vengeance Paladin/Hexblade Warlock in a Gestalt game run by a friend of ours. He slapped before Misty Stepping away to heal himself, letting my Battle Master Fighter/ Bear Totem Barbarian solo a group of wargs and goblins by becoming a turbine on them. The guy running it, who wanted to run a gestalt game in order to hone his DM skills, said our characters were OP. XD
No, they weren't OP. They were characters that were run effectively. Any DM worth the time would look at this as 1) his friends really enjoying the campaign, 2) an excellent challenge for his DM'ing skills, and 3) great ideas for future NPC encounters to challenge the players with. Having played D&D since the little white box in 1976, I've learned there is no such thing as an OP character; merely bad DM's. What's good for PCs is also good for NPCs.
In my homebrew world there a group of Paladin (consist of Glory and Watcher)/Rogue (Soulknife). They pair up and use Protection and then go in for some sneak attack + divine strike. Very useful.
I'd love to see one for the Ranger. My first big character is a Ranger/Cleric, so it would be nice to see what opinions you have on one of the more underrated classes.
For a paladin/barbarian, just go ahead and ditch the heavy armor and pick up some medium armor. Half plate works really well (although expensive) and makes you less MAD. I played an Oath of Vengeance Paladin/Bear totem barbarian, and was the undisputed powerhouse of our team.
And since Barb's cant cast spells while Raging, you can plan to use ALL your spell slots for Smites! And being able to use Healing Hands on yourself to heal yourself while Raging (which Barbarians don't really have the ability to do on their own) because Healing Hands isn't a spell..... That's fucking awesome!
@@kingwildcat6192000 I was more saying that because of Offbeat claiming it makes the build MAD, which I find objectively false. Odds are a paladin is going to already have a decent constitution, since they're on the front lines a lot, and most barbarians I see don't really care about getting hit due to their high hitpoints and resistances. (Especially the bear totem.)
On the topic of Paladin/Rogue, a buddy of mine built a Vengeance Paladin + Assassin Rogue multiclass that he called “The Paladin of Angst”. He loved running this poor tormented character. Turns out that a guaranteed crit with Divine Smite at the start of combat is really strong.
idk why, but whenever i listen to your videos while making a character they always end up as a walking incarnation of death by 6th level, so thanks for the free powerbuild generation method
War Cleric is the best 1 level caster dip for a martial character other than Hexblade (situational on whether you have charisma). Free bonus action attacks and healing spells? Amazing
Man, this makes me miss some of the Pathfinder 1e stuff like Nornkith Monk who could use CHA in place of WIS as a monk. I wish we had just a little more stuff like that in 5e, like an INT Warlock who actually studies under their patron like Faust, or a STR sorcerer who casts spells with their gains. Dragon monk easily could have been CHA based.
I think you are massively undervaluing Barbarian. Getting Reckless Attack and Rage are amazing and you can just use your spell slots for smites and casting Aid and Find Steed. I had a player play a Vengeance Paladin X/Zealot Barbarian 3 in a recent one-shot and it cleaned house.
I could see a tiny Monk dip having a part to play, in a straight up dex build, as it would allow you to make Longswords finesse. Making it a straight downgrade from Hexblade, but yeah.
You can still divine smite while raging technically since it isn’t a spell. So you have a few spells for out of combat as well as a plethora of smites available. Which would make Paladin a great spell castor class to pair with barbarian.
If you are playing the Paladin as a support/tank character with nova dps may I offer the Watcher Paladin/Eloquence Bard multiclass. You're taking the first 8 levels in Paladin, to get up to your 2nd ASI. Then go into Eloquence Bard. You will hit 12th level to get the ASI. I'd suggest picking up Warcaster as a feat either at 4th or 8th level. The reason for Eloquence Bard is Unsettling Words at 3rd level primarily. You can use that to land some really good spells on single targets. Being able to land your spells consistently is major, and having the ability to subtract your Bardic Inspiration die from the result of the enemy's save is incredibly powerful. I like the Watcher's Aura at 7th level which gives your prof bonus on Initiative rolls. For a character that is almost certainly wearing heavy armour and a shield, and for whom DEX is often a dump stat, having a bonus to your Initiative can be really important. Stack that with Jack of All Trades, so you add another half of your prof bonus on top of that and you've now got +3-+6 on your initiative, and your allies within 10' get your prof bonus on their initiative, which is often excellent for casters who also don't have a great Dex. You should have an AC in the low 20's, a wide variety of spells you can use for support and battlefield control, both single target and AoE, the ability to attack twice and smite on your crits. This is an excellent off-tank/support character who can really shine in combat and social situations. You have a good Charisma and Expertise, so with Silver Tongue you can probably talk your way through anything and be a very good face for the party if needed.
I remember the day i have taken 3 levels in death domain cleric as 8 level paladin, oh boy the smite as hurting more than normal with the channel divinity
What are your thoughts on the paladin/sorcerer/warlock multi class? I got a build going on now with conquest paladin 6, divine soul sorcerer 11, hexblade warlock 3. Can summon any weapon since its proficient in everything, metamagic, hexblades curse. It’s just so much fun
Speaking as someone who loves the Armorer, I don't think that focusing on Int instead makes you much better as far as a primary Paladin goes. The reason the Hexblade is so good with Paladin is that it makes them way less MAD, and with a single level in Hexblade and Custom Lineage you can have 20 Cha by level 5.
Wait I distinctly remember the first smite you get you can since unarmed counts as weapon attacks, however the improved smite specifically calls for actual weapons to be used in the smite, or was that errata'd without my knowledge?
Funny enough, I did instinctively pick a paladin for my first game because it was a dab of spellcasting, a dab of melee combat, a little tanky, etc. And i figured i'd learn all the major mechanics naturally. Hearing you say that makes me feel like my critical assessment skills are pretty good
Definitely want to see a cleric multiclass thing. Definitely not just because I wanna make a Strength Domain cleric from Amonket Planeshift and want ideas for multi…
I may be biased because warlock is my favorite class but Warlock/Paladin is probably the best Paladin multiclass. Divine smites that come back on a short rest is kinda nutty
Rage messing with spellcasting is the same problem I have with my College of Swords bard taking Tenser’s Transformation as a Bardic Secret at Lvl 14. But because I multiclass into Paladin, I just use my Bard spellslots for Smite. There’s a reason my Combat Bard is an absolute _nightmare_ to fight against. With the other party spellcasters to counter enemy mages, and a rampaging Bear Totem next to me, we absolutely tear through our enemies.
i am actually curious about monk now, because there are 3 that multiclass really well with monk, (not including fighter), so i am curious to see where you will put them.
Here's an interesting idea... animate objects, on a clutch of ten arrows, each with a ring of Spell Storing, Storing a supercharged fireball, from a ranger using rain of arrows. A dair bit of set up for ten simultaneously cast super fireballs
Conquest paladin with undead warlock is pretty good especially if you pick up shield master at 4th or 1st level. You only really need 3 or 4 levels in warlock to get the benefits.
You should be able to flurry of blow + smite for you can use flurry of blows with monk weapons unless they both require action use. But I call it a Mr. Miyagi monk paladin.
Good intro, you had me hitting that like button in just 10 seconds. I'll take it back if there's too many shit takes though. (please don't make me take it back)
Druids not wearing metal armour is a big detractor for me - especially when most Paladin’s don’t have a great DEX. They need that chain and plate mail.
currently running a Vengeance/Battlemaster Dragonborn paladrgn. she hits like a garbage truck full of Kerosene and lit sparklers. main weapon is a flame tongue greatsword.
Pally as the best beginner class? Interesting take. I see where you are coming from and i can see some beginners that would like that exploration of different arch types like control, melee spell casting. I would have said fighter, rouge would be the easiest and i would say cleric because the access to the whole spell list. Of course barbarian probably god tier choice
do Druid pls - I am playing a Druid (Stars) 6 / Ranger 1 at the moment and I find it works splendidly for Healer/Support. Can do some decent damage as well stacking Favoured Foe onto Guiding Bolt or Starry Form Archer. Delved into poisons as well (poison is bad, I know), extracting and collecting Serpent Venom by Wild Shaping into a Giant Poisonous Snake. Bonkers Perception too with Canny giving Expertise
A case can be made for any multi class build, even monk/paladin. The demon armor makes unarmed strkes count as weapon attacks, so you can divine smite 4 times a turn!
Also, due to the way that wildshape and the beast stat blocks are worded, you can divine smite with teeth, claws, and any other wildshape attacks. Finally, you get an extra attack, so you get that on any wildshape that doesn't have extra attack already. This is my favorite build
I'm currently doing a pally barb bear totem oath of vengeance and its going super well for me cause my con is 18 and having some boons from some homebrew in the server I'm in. These boons allow me to cast a spell and not have to actually focus on the spell meaning I'd be able to cast the spell and then rage which also fits very well with my character and his lore. Overall this is how I got it working for me but overall most ways for pally barb seems like a waste.
Would the contingency spell be fun to include in one of your shorts? A level 5 or lower spell that can be triggered with a passphrase sounds like something that can be abused.
Barbarian goes up to S tier since you can divine smite while raging, it's not technically a spell so it bypasses the rage restrictions. I was going to take two levels barbarian but messed up making dex my dump stat, I can't go down to medium armor because I have - 2 dex.
Actually a fan of this list, not a bad list, lot of cool options. Glad to know my concept for a Sorcerer Paladin is a good one, even if it probably isn't the most optimized build. It's been awhile but I think it was Oath of Conquest Paladin/Shadow Magic Sorcerer... if only for the 6th level ability to summon shadow hounds... Honestly... the initial idea was mostly for flavor as an inquisition kind of leader, hunter of dark beings to end them... dark being anything that threatens the status quo of the empire... eh, still seems like a fun idea actually.
Divine soul giving you cleric spells with charisma. Spiritual weapon and spirit guardians go. 5 to 6 levels sorcerer depending if you want the lvl 15 paly subclass feature May even start with 1 level sorcerer for con saves, but you give up heavy armor, so I say resilient Con is better. And if you can fit it use meta magic adept feat for more Meta magics
Knowing your love of Fighter - especially when it comes to multi-classing, can you do another tier list where Fighter is the primary and you’re dipping into another class? Trying to convince myself to do a Fighter multi-class over Paladin/Hexblade Warlock
I think sorcerer is a tad bit better than bard for the paladin where the bard complements what a base paladin does certain subclasses of a sorcerer really let you hone that niche. For example divine soul sorcerer lets you have that cleric cake and eat it too having the cleric spell list on top of allowing it to be charisma instead of wisdom is a huge boon or a the shadow sorcerer with the hound of ill omen makes those paladin spells come in clutch like hold person
the thing about raw is that there are only 4 types of attacks melee weapon, ranged weapon, melee spell, and ranged spell. unarmed strike counts as a melee weapon attack.
"Like the Armorer with their armor, or the Alchemist with their being bad" made me laugh way too hard.
i've played alchemist died in 1 session due to nat 1 on a fireball from the barbarian
@@alexmartin6014 I have several questions, for an example the barbarian fireball
@@gonoroad2160 well the dm gave the barbarian a gem from the flame skull that went into his forehead and gave him a command word to cast certain spells he rolls to see which spell it is every day the die is a d8 on an 8 fireball
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I made an artificer subclass for trailers based mostly off of the alchemist subclass that was pretty awesome.
The barbarian paladin definitely deserves higher, far higher in my opinion. Yes, you cant cast spells, yes you can't concentrate, but cast spells are frankly what the paladin is known the least for. taking only two levels of barbarian and reckless attacking with smites is an awesome combo. simply two levels and you get more damage, far better tanking, and better crit range. If I know anything about paladins, those saucy boys save smites for crits and blow shit away.
Agreed, not to mention you get multiple rages, so if you really need to cast something you can drop rage, cast what you need, and rage next turn. If you're multiclassing into Barbarian, you are doing so for the rage and the subclass, may as well use your resources. (Also reckless plus smiting is scary.)
just make sure that dex and con are decent, or at least dex for something like breastplate and shield maybe defense fighting style (14+2+2+1)
I completely agree, I would place them A tier personally. They lack the spell casting but in turn lean in on the martial side and can still manage some non spell based support. You’re losing a part of your tool kit to better specialize yourself, which is not always bad.
paladin spells are amazing, what do you mean? Smites are a backup tool when used optimally. Earlier levels you'll rely on bless more than smites, later levels things like destructive wave and circle of power become much more attractive options too. There's not a lot of room there for smites outside of specific situations, e.g one specific creature needs to die immediately, like one with possession or mind control magic, or one with feeblemind or even power word kill/divine word.
@@nonenone-hv5iq yeah some paladin spells are good but, destructive wave? in a party of level 17 characters? Wizards are dropping Meteor swarm. No, a paladin that late in the game is far better of offer decent support while dealing massive single-target damage while taking massive blows. Early game, yes dropping a bless🙏 is great, but so is gaining resistance against the physical damage types(Which is most likely what you are getting hit with at low levels), and dropping massive damage is undeniably also really good.
I'm not saying paladin spell casting sucks, but going taking a few levels in barbarian is a VERY effective option.
I want to see Monk be the finale, where every class is God-Tier because adding any class to the monk makes it better
I think the point of these is to make the class better at what it already does. For monks, that’s actually hard because everything they do revolves around ki, which scales only with your monk level and SO SLOWLY. There are certain classes that are worth losing out on ki points for, but not many. Ranger is a clear god tier because the stats line up perfectly, hunter’s mark on anything with extra attack is great (and monks make a lot of attacks), and the Gloomstalker Ranger is like the Hexblade Warlock for monks.
Not so much the Barb, since a lot of Class features overlap
Peace cleric 1 monk x makes for fun support
Druid 2 monk x is a good boost for wisdom based monk subclasses
Fighter 2-3 monk x makes a great archer build
Ranger 3 monk x has great sub and spell options
Bladesinger 6 is the only thing I can think of and if most of your levels are still in monk you're already in high level play
@@alexpratt8533Gloomstalker ranger monk actually seems really really good (I know how late this is lol)
Don't forget: Warlock pact of the blade can double smite, which is frankly insane. If you went hexblade for that, and you're criting on a 19, add in some gimmick to get advantage and throw an extra... 20+ d8s on that vs. a fiend or undead? Good day sir.
The only real downside to getting double smite is it's pretty deep into warlock, since it's locked to warlock level 5. By then you've cut into paladin spell progression noticeably and warlock didn't give you any more slots (though they did get stronger).
@@TheEmperorGulcasa true but if you commit to warlock a little further you do end up with more powerful slots than those available at base to paladin (11 paladin/ 9 warlock) and if you are HB you get a wider variety of smite spells to play with
gimmick? So like.. oath of VENGEANCE?!
Triple Smite, Bonus Action Spell
the problem is you need 5 levels of warlock the advantage is that you get hight slot to smite and they regen at short rest
just add some levels ins sorcerer and you are done
Honestly one of my favorite characters was a 13 str rogue/paladin. I went bugbear, assassin rogue (3 levels) starting for the extra skills and finesse weapons, then conquest paladin for the rest. Essentially I went rapier and shield dex pali, had expertise in stealth, and would generally never fail to surprise the enemy. This meant my attacks would crit, I’d get sneak attack (2d6), bugbear surprise (2d6), divine smite (2d8), and any bonus action smites, all with a guaranteed crit. Because surprise is basically a free turn where the enemies who were surprised are screwed, plus I went sentinel for even more lockdown, I would burst an opponent and if they survived the first turn of combat I would simply terrify them and keep them locked down. It was very fun
I started paladin at my first game, for exactly the reasons you listed! I can confirm it gave me a great understanding of the game. I was playing an oath of redemption paladin, so I was also able to be the face of the party after a few sessions. I ended up turning kind of evil and got to experience the oathbreaker subclass as well. Lots to love playing a paladin in your first ever campaign.
I once made an armor artificer druid. The druid says, "Worn equipment functions as normal, but the DM decides whether it is practical for the new form to wear a piece of equipment, based on the creature's shape and size". The artificer says, "The armor attaches to you and ... expands to cover your entire body". Because the armor shapes to you, you can greatly increase the AC of the beasts which normally have low ACs and higher MHP.
Ooo thats a cool RAW play. does that mean the bear also gets thunder gauntlets?! XD
well, RAW druids can't use metal armor, but that sounds very cool
@@timob1681 in RAW it’s not that they can’t it’s that they choose not to. Regardless my Druid had scalemail made from animal scales rather than metal.
@@BryantMoeller You clearly haven’t read the Arcane Armor ability.
@@BryantMoeller Still not how it works. Read the thing please
I played a Paladin/Barbarian Tiefling in a campaign. Choosing between raging and concentrating on a spell is tough, but there’s more versatility than i think the build gets credit for. The amount of damage that you can get from a critical hit (and reckless attack to make that happen more often) makes the build so much fun! It might not be the most powerful build, but it fit the character I was playing, and what I was going for mechanically with the character.
You basically feel like an anime protagonist if you take a greatsword and the GWM feat.
I love the barbarian/paladin combo as a purely offensive paladin. You lose out on defenses by ditching the plate armor, but having advantage on your attacks means more crits, and you can save your best smite slots to use on one of these crits. Running into a horde of fiends as a holy warrior with anger issues, landing a few crits and smiting the shit out of your enemies has never felt so good.
Unless you're a warforged and totem of the bear, doing that rn and that's fun
Well, if your playing like that, your charisma's just there for aura of protection, which is alright, but not necessary, so have a +2/3 in that, and focus on con/str/Dex so you have 20 ac and you destroy everything
I'd love to see an Artificer tier list. Small mounted battlesmiths are god tier + on flavor alone
I second this! It seems people are torn on the Artificer so I’d love to see an in-depth tier list about it
You're the best! I watched your short content for a long while. Keep up the good work and don't forget to be awesome.
Surprised by barbarian. That was an easy, easy A for me. High saves, half damage, high ac, with a reckless smite for good fun? Easy A.
The rest add up to me, too. Is s good list.
a pal should always be concentrating. while your damage may ramp up any support beyond ur auras is off the table.
@@frungggg A paladin should be, yep. This ain't a paladin, it's a multiclass. I've played this combo twice, 2 different ways, and it was a monster in both cases. I watched another friend with 13 CHA play this combo, only cast spells outside of combat, and was an unstoppable smite machine/magnet for buff spells.
Oh. AND you couldn't stop him from getting to a downed ally to lay them hands. Bear totem just ignored damage and let the paladin part work in peace.
Awesome video outlaw, keep up the great work. Can't wait to see what your thoughts on the cleric multiclass tier list.
love your videos outlaw funny as hell egerly waiting for a monk tier to get new spicy build ideas
While Bard is an easy multiclass that gives a lot of utility and slots, I feel like it's feature synergy is a fair bit lower than Sorcerer. It doesn't give con save proficiency, a lot of it's spells are concentration and base paladin is still very melee centric. You can use inspire to help but you will run out of inspires fast if you are taking hits frequently. Sorcerer doesn't give as many spells, but it can give you con save proficiency and more importantly quicken spell is such a powerful benefit to Paladin spell casting. Paladin's action is so much more valuable than most other easy Sorcerer pairings. It makes Paladin's normally awkward spell casting of having to stop being a dps no longer a problem. Divine soul also gives access to a lot of damage spells that the Paladin would like such as Spirit Guardians.
Fighter I feel like has a lot of redundancy. Does give con saves, which is nice. But Paladin would already get all the armor and weapon options. Paladin already also gets a lot of the fighting styles that it would need for it's melee centric life already, so a second is nice but less useful (and paladin can't well leverage the stronger ones it didn't get like archery). Paladin also already has self healing. Unless you are going really deep into fighter, Paladin already had extra attack too. Action surge lets you nova even harder, but fighter is still limiting spell slot progression a fair bit so you are going to run out of gas ridiculously fast. You can also attack and cast the same turn with it like with sorcery points, but the default Paladin spell list isn't that impactful.
Warlock's only disappointing aspect is that Hexblade's MAD reduction doesn't work with the best melee weapons unless you go fairly deep into Warlock. Double smite is hilarious though, especially with hexblade expanded crit range. Also a really kick ass ranged option is always something Paladin really wants.
Two things I will point out, I think these multiclass tier lists assume you start in the mentioned class so no con saves for Paladin.
And counter point for Sorcerer, they are really freaking good on a Paladin but if you want the resources to do stuff you need a lot of levels in sorcerer and they have a d6 hit die which sucks. I pretty much agree with you for everything else.
@@spanishinquisition7623 Did he say that? I thought he just said that the tier list is for most levels being in the main class. He did mention con saves in a previous one and said he didn't weight them too heavily since you can pick up resilient con or warcaster.
I will definitely agree that when you go Sorcerer, it is tempting to just keep going deeper in because of how rewarding it is. I'd assume given the premise of the tier list that for a 20th level build you're going at least 11 into Paladin, which is still plenty beefy though, especially with access to shield and absorb elements now. Sorcerer does give a bit up front with subclasses, like divine soul giving favored by the gods. Then you get your cantrips, which means a decent ranged option now, and access to the booming blade warcaster combo. Then the defensive spells. Then by level 3 you get metamagic, which means at least 1 use of quicken and like subtle. 5 levels gets you 2 uses of quicken and 3rd level spells, which is a more than reasonable stopping point.
Assuming you take at least 3 levels in a given class along with paladin. I'd probably rank the top 4 as warlock, bard, fighter, and sorcerer.
Sorcerer: while you get your subclass early, I feel like only a handful are that impactful. And while you get the largest spell list, you have the fewest spells known, meaning you can really take advantage of it without investment. The d6 can also hurt your survivability if you play in melee, although starting as a sorcerer does give con saves, it comes at the cost of heavy armor.
Fighter: You sacrifice spells for more short rest features, which can be clutch if you get to take them. Most of the subclasses are impactful even if they require 3 levels, and they often supplement melee well. The major downside is that extra attack does not stack.
Bard: A full casters with a d8. You get more spells known allowing you to add to more utility then a sorcerer. A decent number of slots for smites, and inspiration, which blends well with auras. Most subclasses are also good, with blades even buffing your martial ability. The major downside is that inspiration is not a shot rest feature until level 5.
Warlock: Hexblade gives you charisma as attack stat and hexblades curse(which scales with proficiency meaning its damage is not hindered by multiclassing. The extra attack is also an optional feature, so you can simply switch out later once you get a paladin's extra attack. And in just 3 levels you can use any weapon as your pact weapon But base warlock still gives you the best cantrips, short rest casting, and early subclass options. The only downside is that you have so few spells slots.
@@thefulcrum4466 For sorcerer, I feel like the subclasses aren't that important and more spell slots, sorcery points and spells are. If you're majority Paladin you're not a main spell caster really, so having a ton of spell variety isn't that important. It's more important to get a few very decisive ones, which Sorcerer has wide access to.
For Bard my main issue is that it's focused heavily on casting without solving casting in combat the way sorcerer or fighter do. Bardic inspiration is nice but fights for bonus action, which can be rather busy for Paladin already.
Fighter I'm about half way on subclasses. Some are definitely very potent. But some are very not and frankly I think are a waste of a level. Like the samurai's feature is solid but has so few uses. Champion expanded crit range is fine but I don't think worth the levels, especially when hexblade offers the same thing. Banneret gives you a limp bonus heal. Arcane archer is a ranged subclass. I'd say more than half of fighter subclasses are just not worthwhile. A few are very good and can be worth the lost spells though. Again, I will also say that action surge isn't that big on Paladin. Full casters can get big double spell casts, but base Paladin doesn't have such high impact spells or enough spell slots. Double attacks is nice but unless you smite on most of the hits it's weaker than fighter who has more extra attacks. Cast and attack is one of the best uses but you limited your spell progression with fighter.
Warlock I feel like the spell slot number actually isn't very bad. For a 1-3 level dip with 2 short rests a day you are getting 3-6 spell slots a day. That's probably more than what you lost in paladin progression. The deeper you go into warlock the more it becomes a problem since they don't get another slot till 11th level, but there's not that much reason to go super deep into warlock other than like eldrich smite I guess at 5.
I agree, i've never played a Bard/Paladin but have imagined a few builds. I have played Hexadins and Sorcadins and found Sorcadins were the most dmg dealing and fun to play with personally speaking.
These tier list videos have been helping me to figure out what my first shot at a multiclass should be to ease into it.
*Paladin/ Bard slams spear tip first into the ground. The Sound of Warrant's Cherry Pie fills the air*
"What's his oath to again?"
"The streets."
🤣😂🤣
Seriously though, amazing list Offbeat!
Just came across your channel, i love your takes, excited to see ur thoughts on bard multiclasses as im currently playing one and am thinking of multiclassing but am not sure which way to go, maybe divination wizard 2 or 3 cause i have a 14 intelligence for some reason :D
Great video. I would like to see a top 10 to 15 list of the best sub-classes multi-classed with Paladin. Hexblade, bladesinger, etc. I’ve got a PC that’s been running a Paladin oathbreaker-7/ college of Whispers bard 6/ hexblade 1to great effect in combat and in social intrigue. It’s been fun to see.
I think you oversold Druid for one key reason: they won’t wear metal armor, says so in the PHB. All heavy armor and most medium armor is off the table now, meaning you need a high Dex score to boost your AC. Now you need high Dex, minimum 13 in strength, wisdom, and charisma, and a non-negative con score so you aren’t eaten alive.
Yes, Druids are good on their own, but this armor caveat kills so many options with multiclassing by making it extremely MAD and lowering AC by so much. I would have ranked this top of C tier at best, the support options and spell slots being the only reason it doesn’t fall down to monk tier.
For the next tier list, I would love to see Druid or monk. They both play great on their own, but they also don’t synergize with other classes very well. Druids’ aversion to metal armor, and monks to armor in general, makes them both alienate the martial classes like Fighter and Paladin, and monks’ MADness makes them annoying to pair with spellcasters. I’m curious to see how you lay out the tier list for these two classes.
They can just ask ur dm the metal armor is purely fluff
Came to comments to say that as well. Druids can't use their magic if they wear metal armor, right?
@@irishlad4723 it just says they won’t wear metal armor. However, they lack proficiency in heavy armor, so they can’t cast spells in heavy armor. Medium metal armor I’m not sure of.
For the most part, I solidly agreed! The only things we differ on is with the rogue possibly being a tier on the numbers game. Besides that, great list man!!!
@5:20- JoCat called, he wants his meme back...
I would love to see a monk tier list even though they aren't my favorite class. It just seems like they (and ranger to an extent) are fairly stand-alone classes so seeing who works well with them as a base seems interesting to me. Much love
Fighter, Cleric, Druid, and maybe Rogue. Everything else is kind of meh imo.
Rogues. With Soulknife they get psychic damage with the scaling martial arts die
Really looking forward to the Rogue video for this series.
I hope you do a Monk multiclass video soon, I’m curious to see what goes well with them if anything.
Same here
If you keep making these for all the classes I'll keep watching them for all the classes. It's fun, always funny to see fighter go high but hey it ain't your fault they're good :P
I'm excited to see one for Rogue, not a lot of MADcy with them only needing Dex (even that's negotiable in some builds) and being very flexible about their mental stats
I’ve been looking for a class to use with paladin. Thanks!
Depending what your wanting I recommend, fighter or sorcerer (highly receommend) or warlock (highly recommend) or barbarian. Best classes to go with your pally class. Bard is a bit meh as it goes against what pally wants to do and leads you to either be a tanky backliner or a squishier frontliner with too many actions to do.
Hexadin is one of my favorite builds I made recently. At first my DM looked at me funny when I rolled up with my lvl 1 paladin with only a 13 str and a 20 cha (we roll for stats). It all dawned on him once I got my first level increase
Paladin/Wizard is so good! Specifically Bladesinger. This is because you can smite with your wizard slots! Just taking two levels in paladin to get divine smite is so worth it for a bladesinger. You can dish out smites like it’s nothing!
super stat hungry
@@PUNishment777 Agreed, you need a 13 in 3 stats where you’re better off multiclassing on a class that needs strength or charisma already. Perhaps a college of swords bard or a Paladin barbarian.
You can smite with any full spellcaster slot. Wizard doesn't offer anything that bard or sorcerer could give.
@@fasterpet Except for bladesinger stuff. This is talking about making a bladesinger better by dipping into paladin
Would love to see more fan homebrew review videos!
Can't wait too see this guy dealing on the monk multiclass tierlist
ive been thinking about this for the last couple videos of this but would you be willing to do a bloodhunter dedicated video like this and also show us where blood hunter would rate in the other classes?
Paladin rogue is actually really nice, giving you expertise in skills, uncanny dodge and evasion for damage tanking, sneak attack... because it's busted, cunning action for bonus action disengage or dash for more utility, and several great subclass options like swashbuckler, thief, and soulknife. Plus if you're playing a dex paladin you won't even have to invest in a new stat!
Can't wait to see the Monk Teirlist's Skit
funny thing is, I saw this and wondered about warlock.
My kid brother went Vengeance Paladin/Hexblade Warlock in a Gestalt game run by a friend of ours. He slapped before Misty Stepping away to heal himself, letting my Battle Master Fighter/ Bear Totem Barbarian solo a group of wargs and goblins by becoming a turbine on them.
The guy running it, who wanted to run a gestalt game in order to hone his DM skills, said our characters were OP.
XD
No, they weren't OP. They were characters that were run effectively. Any DM worth the time would look at this as 1) his friends really enjoying the campaign, 2) an excellent challenge for his DM'ing skills, and 3) great ideas for future NPC encounters to challenge the players with.
Having played D&D since the little white box in 1976, I've learned there is no such thing as an OP character; merely bad DM's. What's good for PCs is also good for NPCs.
In my homebrew world there a group of Paladin (consist of Glory and Watcher)/Rogue (Soulknife). They pair up and use Protection and then go in for some sneak attack + divine strike. Very useful.
I'd love to see one for the Ranger. My first big character is a Ranger/Cleric, so it would be nice to see what opinions you have on one of the more underrated classes.
For a paladin/barbarian, just go ahead and ditch the heavy armor and pick up some medium armor. Half plate works really well (although expensive) and makes you less MAD.
I played an Oath of Vengeance Paladin/Bear totem barbarian, and was the undisputed powerhouse of our team.
And since Barb's cant cast spells while Raging, you can plan to use ALL your spell slots for Smites! And being able to use Healing Hands on yourself to heal yourself while Raging (which Barbarians don't really have the ability to do on their own) because Healing Hands isn't a spell..... That's fucking awesome!
Well its not mad, you just cant benefit from rage while in heavy armor so if your wanting to use rage you gotta drop the heavy.
@@kingwildcat6192000 I was more saying that because of Offbeat claiming it makes the build MAD, which I find objectively false. Odds are a paladin is going to already have a decent constitution, since they're on the front lines a lot, and most barbarians I see don't really care about getting hit due to their high hitpoints and resistances. (Especially the bear totem.)
Excited for a Sorcerer version of this.
Can't wait for the monk multi-class tier list.
*puts everything in D-tier*
I think my favorite part about fighter as a dip for a paladin is you actually have a reason to go into melee, it's not a good reason but it's a reason
I can't wait to see the artificer multiclass tier list
On the topic of Paladin/Rogue, a buddy of mine built a Vengeance Paladin + Assassin Rogue multiclass that he called “The Paladin of Angst”. He loved running this poor tormented character. Turns out that a guaranteed crit with Divine Smite at the start of combat is really strong.
idk why, but whenever i listen to your videos while making a character they always end up as a walking incarnation of death by 6th level, so thanks for the free powerbuild generation method
this man and his warriors man
WOW LET GO BABY
War Cleric is the best 1 level caster dip for a martial character other than Hexblade (situational on whether you have charisma). Free bonus action attacks and healing spells? Amazing
I enjoy playing paladin/cleric most of the time it is very practical
Man, this makes me miss some of the Pathfinder 1e stuff like Nornkith Monk who could use CHA in place of WIS as a monk. I wish we had just a little more stuff like that in 5e, like an INT Warlock who actually studies under their patron like Faust, or a STR sorcerer who casts spells with their gains. Dragon monk easily could have been CHA based.
They had kinda a constitution based sorcerer in UA but it never made it to print
I think you are massively undervaluing Barbarian. Getting Reckless Attack and Rage are amazing and you can just use your spell slots for smites and casting Aid and Find Steed. I had a player play a Vengeance Paladin X/Zealot Barbarian 3 in a recent one-shot and it cleaned house.
I love paladin thank you
I could see a tiny Monk dip having a part to play, in a straight up dex build, as it would allow you to make Longswords finesse. Making it a straight downgrade from Hexblade, but yeah.
You can still divine smite while raging technically since it isn’t a spell. So you have a few spells for out of combat as well as a plethora of smites available. Which would make Paladin a great spell castor class to pair with barbarian.
If you are playing the Paladin as a support/tank character with nova dps may I offer the Watcher Paladin/Eloquence Bard multiclass.
You're taking the first 8 levels in Paladin, to get up to your 2nd ASI. Then go into Eloquence Bard. You will hit 12th level to get the ASI. I'd suggest picking up Warcaster as a feat either at 4th or 8th level. The reason for Eloquence Bard is Unsettling Words at 3rd level primarily. You can use that to land some really good spells on single targets. Being able to land your spells consistently is major, and having the ability to subtract your Bardic Inspiration die from the result of the enemy's save is incredibly powerful.
I like the Watcher's Aura at 7th level which gives your prof bonus on Initiative rolls. For a character that is almost certainly wearing heavy armour and a shield, and for whom DEX is often a dump stat, having a bonus to your Initiative can be really important. Stack that with Jack of All Trades, so you add another half of your prof bonus on top of that and you've now got +3-+6 on your initiative, and your allies within 10' get your prof bonus on their initiative, which is often excellent for casters who also don't have a great Dex.
You should have an AC in the low 20's, a wide variety of spells you can use for support and battlefield control, both single target and AoE, the ability to attack twice and smite on your crits. This is an excellent off-tank/support character who can really shine in combat and social situations. You have a good Charisma and Expertise, so with Silver Tongue you can probably talk your way through anything and be a very good face for the party if needed.
I remember the day i have taken 3 levels in death domain cleric as 8 level paladin, oh boy the smite as hurting more than normal with the channel divinity
It would be awesome if you could do rogue next!
What are your thoughts on the paladin/sorcerer/warlock multi class? I got a build going on now with conquest paladin 6, divine soul sorcerer 11, hexblade warlock 3. Can summon any weapon since its proficient in everything, metamagic, hexblades curse. It’s just so much fun
3 Levels of Armorer is pretty juicy on the Paladin. It also functionally allows you to ignore Str outside of the 13.
Speaking as someone who loves the Armorer, I don't think that focusing on Int instead makes you much better as far as a primary Paladin goes. The reason the Hexblade is so good with Paladin is that it makes them way less MAD, and with a single level in Hexblade and Custom Lineage you can have 20 Cha by level 5.
@@SavageGreywolf For sure! I was just saying it makes the MADness less severe
Please can you do artificer tier list next, I'm going to start playing a kenku armourer but want to know how to make it better
Wait I distinctly remember the first smite you get you can since unarmed counts as weapon attacks, however the improved smite specifically calls for actual weapons to be used in the smite, or was that errata'd without my knowledge?
Was wondering if you could make a sorcerer multiclass tier list.
Funny enough, I did instinctively pick a paladin for my first game because it was a dab of spellcasting, a dab of melee combat, a little tanky, etc. And i figured i'd learn all the major mechanics naturally. Hearing you say that makes me feel like my critical assessment skills are pretty good
You should totally do Monk next
Definitely want to see a cleric multiclass thing. Definitely not just because I wanna make a Strength Domain cleric from Amonket Planeshift and want ideas for multi…
Druid barbarian paladin. Walk around as a raging brown bear smiting people with the power of the gods.
Love to see this on Artificer
I may be biased because warlock is my favorite class but Warlock/Paladin is probably the best Paladin multiclass. Divine smites that come back on a short rest is kinda nutty
You should do Artificer next!
Rage messing with spellcasting is the same problem I have with my College of Swords bard taking Tenser’s Transformation as a Bardic Secret at Lvl 14. But because I multiclass into Paladin, I just use my Bard spellslots for Smite. There’s a reason my Combat Bard is an absolute _nightmare_ to fight against. With the other party spellcasters to counter enemy mages, and a rampaging Bear Totem next to me, we absolutely tear through our enemies.
i am actually curious about monk now, because there are 3 that multiclass really well with monk, (not including fighter), so i am curious to see where you will put them.
Here's an interesting idea... animate objects, on a clutch of ten arrows, each with a ring of Spell Storing, Storing a supercharged fireball, from a ranger using rain of arrows. A dair bit of set up for ten simultaneously cast super fireballs
Conquest paladin with undead warlock is pretty good especially if you pick up shield master at 4th or 1st level. You only really need 3 or 4 levels in warlock to get the benefits.
You should be able to flurry of blow + smite for you can use flurry of blows with monk weapons unless they both require action use. But I call it a Mr. Miyagi monk paladin.
Good intro, you had me hitting that like button in just 10 seconds.
I'll take it back if there's too many shit takes though. (please don't make me take it back)
Druids not wearing metal armour is a big detractor for me - especially when most Paladin’s don’t have a great DEX. They need that chain and plate mail.
So for dnd I have beyond now and am starting with my sister and some friends is the basic books that are free a good start for complete beginners
was hoping you'd go deeper into the sub classes of the paladin and other classes
currently running a Vengeance/Battlemaster Dragonborn paladrgn. she hits like a garbage truck full of Kerosene and lit sparklers. main weapon is a flame tongue greatsword.
Need to see how you'd fix monk with other classes tbh
Pally as the best beginner class? Interesting take. I see where you are coming from and i can see some beginners that would like that exploration of different arch types like control, melee spell casting. I would have said fighter, rouge would be the easiest and i would say cleric because the access to the whole spell list. Of course barbarian probably god tier choice
do Druid pls - I am playing a Druid (Stars) 6 / Ranger 1 at the moment and I find it works splendidly for Healer/Support. Can do some decent damage as well stacking Favoured Foe onto Guiding Bolt or Starry Form Archer. Delved into poisons as well (poison is bad, I know), extracting and collecting Serpent Venom by Wild Shaping into a Giant Poisonous Snake. Bonkers Perception too with Canny giving Expertise
A case can be made for any multi class build, even monk/paladin. The demon armor makes unarmed strkes count as weapon attacks, so you can divine smite 4 times a turn!
Also, due to the way that wildshape and the beast stat blocks are worded, you can divine smite with teeth, claws, and any other wildshape attacks. Finally, you get an extra attack, so you get that on any wildshape that doesn't have extra attack already. This is my favorite build
I'm currently doing a pally barb bear totem oath of vengeance and its going super well for me cause my con is 18 and having some boons from some homebrew in the server I'm in. These boons allow me to cast a spell and not have to actually focus on the spell meaning I'd be able to cast the spell and then rage which also fits very well with my character and his lore. Overall this is how I got it working for me but overall most ways for pally barb seems like a waste.
Would the contingency spell be fun to include in one of your shorts? A level 5 or lower spell that can be triggered with a passphrase sounds like something that can be abused.
As a fellow fighter simp this made me smile.
You should make a monk multiclass tier list
YESSSSS
Im working with my dm to reclass into a barb paladin. Cause my barb found a cool cursed lance and I want find steed to have mounted combat lol.
We need a monk tier list. We need to know what actually works well with monk!
MY FAVORITE CLASS
Quick question would paladin/monk/bard have healing word and amp it to healing song for an aoe party heal instead of just healing one person
That’s not a mechanic in the game so no
Barbarian goes up to S tier since you can divine smite while raging, it's not technically a spell so it bypasses the rage restrictions. I was going to take two levels barbarian but messed up making dex my dump stat, I can't go down to medium armor because I have - 2 dex.
Actually a fan of this list, not a bad list, lot of cool options. Glad to know my concept for a Sorcerer Paladin is a good one, even if it probably isn't the most optimized build. It's been awhile but I think it was Oath of Conquest Paladin/Shadow Magic Sorcerer... if only for the 6th level ability to summon shadow hounds...
Honestly... the initial idea was mostly for flavor as an inquisition kind of leader, hunter of dark beings to end them... dark being anything that threatens the status quo of the empire... eh, still seems like a fun idea actually.
Divine soul giving you cleric spells with charisma.
Spiritual weapon and spirit guardians go. 5 to 6 levels sorcerer depending if you want the lvl 15 paly subclass feature
May even start with 1 level sorcerer for con saves, but you give up heavy armor, so I say resilient Con is better.
And if you can fit it use meta magic adept feat for more Meta magics
When can you keep doing these? I want to see you do Cleric.
Knowing your love of Fighter - especially when it comes to multi-classing, can you do another tier list where Fighter is the primary and you’re dipping into another class?
Trying to convince myself to do a Fighter multi-class over Paladin/Hexblade Warlock
Already done! Check the playlist
I think sorcerer is a tad bit better than bard for the paladin where the bard complements what a base paladin does certain subclasses of a sorcerer really let you hone that niche. For example divine soul sorcerer lets you have that cleric cake and eat it too having the cleric spell list on top of allowing it to be charisma instead of wisdom is a huge boon or a the shadow sorcerer with the hound of ill omen makes those paladin spells come in clutch like hold person
I'm level 11 paladin what how many levels should I put in for sorcerer to do the full effect of what your tier list does? I wanna be sorta more dps
Me waiting patiently for a sorcerer multi class list because that’s my favorite class 😁
the thing about raw is that there are only 4 types of attacks melee weapon, ranged weapon, melee spell, and ranged spell. unarmed strike counts as a melee weapon attack.