very depressing that everyone held Samsora more guilty than Nairo. he should have had an indefinite ban for withholding information like that but not the one he got just because everyone liked Nairo more.
None of them should be back. Crazy nairo has a platform and such loyal defenders. I feel he's less outcasted then Zero when Nairo did something far worse (both did something gross of course)
@@davidc.The only thing with any actual "evidence" against ZeRo was the Katie allegations. However, fake replica accounts on different socials can easily be made and messages can effortlessly be staged, so it's weird to choose a side. However, even with how hated a player ZeRo was, going out of your way to place false allegations of sexual harassment on someone is something not many people do, which is why I choose to believe Katie. She also doesn't have several people saying the opposite like for Jisu's allegations against him and Sky
Samsora was forced to stay silent. Zack had a history of doxxing and blackmailing his friends to get what he wants. Even mistake and lima (people who accused samsora) confirmed that. Sam could of been doxxee so he stayed quiet. How about dabuz, lima and tweet who withheld info?
The amount of people who don't care about the horrific things these players have done and just want to see them come back because they're good at the game will never cease to disgust me. It's so selfish.
@@ThatOneScienceGuy Covering up the sexual assault of a child, which, by the way, is a crime in the state that he lives in: legis.la.gov/legis/Law.aspx?d=78520
Because most people with brains that have been following the situation and not just going off headlines and hearsay, know that most of it was all false accusations and were legally dealt with.
I would be ecstatic to see Samsora return. It'd be okay for Nairo too. But the competitive scene needs a shakeup. Things got boring after this drama. We need Samsora to come back to challenge Sparg0 for #1 and maybe this will inspire Leo to come back with more fire.
@@PunkySlushZack was banned since late 2019 because of the ally situation and nairo did nothing wrong since Zack did things to him without consent so Nairobi is the victim
Would love to see Samsora and Salem back, those two made mistakes regarding what was going on around them but they didn't show any actual predatory behavior of their own, would still keep CPT. Zack and Nairo out.
Interesting video. Idk how everyone else feels 2 years later after the tragedies that happened then. Some of the people that were apart of this were like my friends (more like acquaintances). Some of those people I housed or played a set with, got to talk & hang out with. While it’s hard to see such terrible things happen, it’s harder to watch them happen to people you’ve interacted with. Regardless of how the community feels, I’m happy to see that samsora is doing well.
People forget that Samsoras ban wasn’t for not outing Nairo of pedophilia. The ban happened when Nairo made his rape claim and people canceled Samsora for not outsing a 15 year old for “raping.” That still doesn’t make any sense to me and the whole thing was handled terribly. There are people who knew about the whole scandal but are still part of the community. For example Tweek. I’m not saying Tweek should be banned for knowing and not outsing. I’m saying there should be more consistency in who the community decides is banned. The conclusion is someone who’s clearly way more dangerous (Nairo) having success as a streamer now.
The real question is why hasn’t Zack said anything he just dipped and took a picture with other players in recent years and that’s it. Why aren’t we asking him more questions and what went down.
But Zack did grape nairo. He admitted to that in his discord messages with Salem and also in his apology stream. He said he sckd nairo in his sleep. That is grape.
Nairos influence is pretty bad as well. Always spreading negativity. You wanna know why 70% of people are saying choose to lose or light carried or this and that about cosmos look no further
If nairo and zero can come back wothout backlash than samsora can. To be fair what samsora did wasnt nearly as bad as the others and might have been done wothout malicious attent knowing how young he was, in my opinion hes the only one that deserves to be redeemed anyways.
@@Lilhajxjk274 First off, ZeRo is already banned. Second off, neither Nairo nor Samsora were proven innocent. Nairo's case didn't even go to court as they came to an agreement and Samsora hasn't had any legal action either way. Zack being a sack of shit and being unquestionably guilty doesn't absolve Nairo and Samsora or any guilt. It's not all black and white
@@typhlosion7872 Zero was banned but he still fooled everyone into thinking he is innocent, by using the false accusations from Jisu to discredit the proven accusations from Katie. And samsora and nairo are proven innocent. There was no evidence samsora planned the outing when he didn't know about it until a day after the 3rd outing. And samsoras messages show him encouraging Zack to say the truth and not lie. And Zack already admitted many times that he graped nairo in his sleep and later blackmailed him, which makes nairo innocent.
@@Lilhajxjk274 Nairo isn't innocent just because Zack is a piece of shit. And again, innocence was never proven in a court of law. Nairo deciding to sleep in the same room as Zack given the option at the hotel was already bad enough. And even if we take his claim of being raped at face value and consider it 100% factual and true, when pressured by a minor into letting them give you head, if your only option is to agree, you've already fucked up way too much. Plus, one of the options was Nairo immediately coming out about the situation as soon as it happened. Nairo isn't innocent of doing pedophilic shit with Zack just because Zack was already being a fucking creep. Let's also not forget that as the adult in the situation, it was Nairo's responsibility to reject Zack's advances, period, even before the hotel incident. The flirting online, the letting Zack rest his head on Nairo's lap, none of that ever should've happened. Doesn't matter if he does that with normal friends, doesn't make it ok to do those things with a minor. And for Samsora, even if he was trying to get Zack to talk about it, that doesn't stop that Samsora didn't tell the authorities about the situation. Zack being a complete sack of shit irredeemable human being doesn't make Nairo and Sam innocent in any way
Good to know that I can flirt, groom and lead on a minor and claim rape when I stay in the same bedroom as them. Nairo is lucky the smash community love him, that zack was so hated and that zack has the most unaware parents ever
Samsora lives in Louisiana, and not reporting the stuff between Zack and Nairo, because Zack is a minor, Samsora is lucky to nit be locked. In Louisiana, if you’re at least 18 (Samsora was 22) and don’t report the sexual misconduct involving a minor, you could get se much as 5 years in prison, possibly with hard labor making it even worse for him.
Samsora was 18 at the time and not reporting a crime that involves two of your friends, neither of which want you to say anything about it, is actually really not that morally bad or deserving of a permaban. If you had a friend who was sexually abused and they adamantly didn’t want you to reveal that info would you, just curious?
@jordinlissone8582 Yeah he is and Nairo was also an adult then too. A 15 yo getting that close to someone in their 20s is bad- no matter who initiated what, the adult is liable
He hid a case of statutory rape from the authorities. That's completely fucked up and absolutely banworthy. Tweek did the same thing and should also be banned. Even if it wasn't reported just to respect the wishes of both parties as Tweek and Samsora stated, that's still hiding statutory rape from the authorities.
@@typhlosion7872stuatary grape isn't real and samsara was pressured into staying silent. Zack has a history of blackmail which is why mistake samsara and Lisa were afraid to expose Zack.
No he wasn't. He didn't know about it until ceo dreamland already ended. And he and mistake and Lima could of been doxxed if they exposed what happened
@@justanotherwolf9222 know a situation ≠ take advantage of the situation. That's how it works, if you don't say anything its because you don't want to get in trouble, simple
@@ABC-ik9vjsam didn't take advantage of the situation. He actively supported nairo and told Zack to say the truth and not lie. He only acted neutral in public to avoid Zack doxxing him.
very depressing that everyone held Samsora more guilty than Nairo. he should have had an indefinite ban for withholding information like that but not the one he got just because everyone liked Nairo more.
None of them should be back. Crazy nairo has a platform and such loyal defenders. I feel he's less outcasted then Zero when Nairo did something far worse (both did something gross of course)
@@davidc.The only thing with any actual "evidence" against ZeRo was the Katie allegations. However, fake replica accounts on different socials can easily be made and messages can effortlessly be staged, so it's weird to choose a side. However, even with how hated a player ZeRo was, going out of your way to place false allegations of sexual harassment on someone is something not many people do, which is why I choose to believe Katie. She also doesn't have several people saying the opposite like for Jisu's allegations against him and Sky
@@davidc.Nairo didn't do anything wrong. Zack graped him in his sleep and then blackmailed nairo. Meanwhile zero told a 14 year old to send n00ds.
Samsora was forced to stay silent. Zack had a history of doxxing and blackmailing his friends to get what he wants. Even mistake and lima (people who accused samsora) confirmed that. Sam could of been doxxee so he stayed quiet. How about dabuz, lima and tweet who withheld info?
I'll be fine with samsora but i would probably keep nairo and captain zack out, too much hearsay amd not enough evidence to prove either side
Zack already admitted that nairo was the victim so nairo should also return
The amount of people who don't care about the horrific things these players have done and just want to see them come back because they're good at the game will never cease to disgust me. It's so selfish.
What did Samsora do that was so "horrific"?
@@ThatOneScienceGuy Covering up the sexual assault of a child, which, by the way, is a crime in the state that he lives in: legis.la.gov/legis/Law.aspx?d=78520
Because most people with brains that have been following the situation and not just going off headlines and hearsay, know that most of it was all false accusations and were legally dealt with.
its the same thing in music its kinda crazy imo
Forgive & let go. We gotta hold these people from doing what they want, we really don’t have a right to say anything.
I would be ecstatic to see Samsora return. It'd be okay for Nairo too. But the competitive scene needs a shakeup. Things got boring after this drama. We need Samsora to come back to challenge Sparg0 for #1 and maybe this will inspire Leo to come back with more fire.
@@PunkySlushZack was banned since late 2019 because of the ally situation and nairo did nothing wrong since Zack did things to him without consent so Nairobi is the victim
Would love to see Samsora and Salem back, those two made mistakes regarding what was going on around them but they didn't show any actual predatory behavior of their own, would still keep CPT. Zack and Nairo out.
Interesting video.
Idk how everyone else feels 2 years later after the tragedies that happened then. Some of the people that were apart of this were like my friends (more like acquaintances). Some of those people I housed or played a set with, got to talk & hang out with.
While it’s hard to see such terrible things happen, it’s harder to watch them happen to people you’ve interacted with.
Regardless of how the community feels, I’m happy to see that samsora is doing well.
People forget that Samsoras ban wasn’t for not outing Nairo of pedophilia. The ban happened when Nairo made his rape claim and people canceled Samsora for not outsing a 15 year old for “raping.” That still doesn’t make any sense to me and the whole thing was handled terribly.
There are people who knew about the whole scandal but are still part of the community. For example Tweek. I’m not saying Tweek should be banned for knowing and not outsing. I’m saying there should be more consistency in who the community decides is banned.
The conclusion is someone who’s clearly way more dangerous (Nairo) having success as a streamer now.
The real question is why hasn’t Zack said anything he just dipped and took a picture with other players in recent years and that’s it. Why aren’t we asking him more questions and what went down.
But Zack did grape nairo. He admitted to that in his discord messages with Salem and also in his apology stream. He said he sckd nairo in his sleep. That is grape.
Nairos influence is pretty bad as well. Always spreading negativity. You wanna know why 70% of people are saying choose to lose or light carried or this and that about cosmos look no further
@@Lilhajxjk274no he didn't. Get outta here with that weird ass shit.
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If nairo and zero can come back wothout backlash than samsora can. To be fair what samsora did wasnt nearly as bad as the others and might have been done wothout malicious attent knowing how young he was, in my opinion hes the only one that deserves to be redeemed anyways.
ZeRo had a shit ton of backlash, but Nairo had very little. All 3 of them should be banned.
@@typhlosion7872Naro and samsora were proven innocent. Only zero should be banned
@@Lilhajxjk274 First off, ZeRo is already banned. Second off, neither Nairo nor Samsora were proven innocent. Nairo's case didn't even go to court as they came to an agreement and Samsora hasn't had any legal action either way. Zack being a sack of shit and being unquestionably guilty doesn't absolve Nairo and Samsora or any guilt. It's not all black and white
@@typhlosion7872 Zero was banned but he still fooled everyone into thinking he is innocent, by using the false accusations from Jisu to discredit the proven accusations from Katie. And samsora and nairo are proven innocent. There was no evidence samsora planned the outing when he didn't know about it until a day after the 3rd outing. And samsoras messages show him encouraging Zack to say the truth and not lie. And Zack already admitted many times that he graped nairo in his sleep and later blackmailed him, which makes nairo innocent.
@@Lilhajxjk274 Nairo isn't innocent just because Zack is a piece of shit. And again, innocence was never proven in a court of law. Nairo deciding to sleep in the same room as Zack given the option at the hotel was already bad enough. And even if we take his claim of being raped at face value and consider it 100% factual and true, when pressured by a minor into letting them give you head, if your only option is to agree, you've already fucked up way too much. Plus, one of the options was Nairo immediately coming out about the situation as soon as it happened. Nairo isn't innocent of doing pedophilic shit with Zack just because Zack was already being a fucking creep. Let's also not forget that as the adult in the situation, it was Nairo's responsibility to reject Zack's advances, period, even before the hotel incident. The flirting online, the letting Zack rest his head on Nairo's lap, none of that ever should've happened. Doesn't matter if he does that with normal friends, doesn't make it ok to do those things with a minor. And for Samsora, even if he was trying to get Zack to talk about it, that doesn't stop that Samsora didn't tell the authorities about the situation. Zack being a complete sack of shit irredeemable human being doesn't make Nairo and Sam innocent in any way
Good to know that I can flirt, groom and lead on a minor and claim rape when I stay in the same bedroom as them. Nairo is lucky the smash community love him, that zack was so hated and that zack has the most unaware parents ever
if Nario is back then Samsora can come back I'm my opinion
Nairo can't compete still twitch banned
@@firefatesgaming1855 i think he means with content creation like Nairo and ZeRo. I mean Zero disappeared again so
@@hectorlopez1120 there are still good content channels for smash tweek, mkleo , mr.e
So is Samsora unbanned now? Is he coming back?
I hope not.
@@poeticdavideHe should if he wants to
If sam is unbanned, bring back nairo
Samsora lives in Louisiana, and not reporting the stuff between Zack and Nairo, because Zack is a minor, Samsora is lucky to nit be locked. In Louisiana, if you’re at least 18 (Samsora was 22) and don’t report the sexual misconduct involving a minor, you could get se much as 5 years in prison, possibly with hard labor making it even worse for him.
Samsora was 18 at the time and not reporting a crime that involves two of your friends, neither of which want you to say anything about it, is actually really not that morally bad or deserving of a permaban. If you had a friend who was sexually abused and they adamantly didn’t want you to reveal that info would you, just curious?
They need to forgive nairo
Specially considering the later information that came out
@@CatBarronwhat later information? I may have missed something
No, bye
@@AIRFGCiirc captian zack blackmailed him and “forced” him to do the things that happened. like nairo is the actual victim
@jordinlissone8582 Yeah he is and Nairo was also an adult then too. A 15 yo getting that close to someone in their 20s is bad- no matter who initiated what, the adult is liable
Samsora should never be allowed back in the community. Legit just makes the smash scene look like an even bigger joke than it already is
just say you're homophobic and/or racist already...
Samsora did nothing wrong
I’ll be honest, when Samsora got banned, I wondered what he had done, and eventually I was too afraid to ask. I’ve missed watching him play though!
He hid a case of statutory rape from the authorities. That's completely fucked up and absolutely banworthy. Tweek did the same thing and should also be banned. Even if it wasn't reported just to respect the wishes of both parties as Tweek and Samsora stated, that's still hiding statutory rape from the authorities.
@@typhlosion7872I think it’s also illegal to do that whatever state he’s from
@@Takeda12372 I believe Louisiana. And the sentencing is pretty severe
@@typhlosion7872stuatary grape isn't real and samsara was pressured into staying silent. Zack has a history of blackmail which is why mistake samsara and Lisa were afraid to expose Zack.
lol no nairo no samsora and NO ZACK THE SOCIOPATH pls
Samsora and nairo should be unbanned but Zack should stay banned
Samsora was a co-conspirator to everything. Why the fuck is he allowed back in. At least Nairo took himself out.
No he wasn't. He didn't know about it until ceo dreamland already ended. And he and mistake and Lima could of been doxxed if they exposed what happened
@@Lilhajxjk274he used nairo situation to gain advantage, that's the whole point of his ban dude
@@ABC-ik9vj Tbf, tweek also knew yet he's not banned. There has to be consistency or else its unfair and biased
@@justanotherwolf9222 know a situation ≠ take advantage of the situation. That's how it works, if you don't say anything its because you don't want to get in trouble, simple
@@ABC-ik9vjsam didn't take advantage of the situation. He actively supported nairo and told Zack to say the truth and not lie. He only acted neutral in public to avoid Zack doxxing him.