Snap On Ferret F-70N ratchet reanimation
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- Опубликовано: 15 июн 2024
- Another heirloom tool repair with a story. My buddy Chet's great uncle Leo owned this Snap On "Ferret" ratchet back in the 40's. He worked at the United airlines maintenance facility in San Francisco and did aircraft repairs and service . The ball detent socket retainer was damaged some time ago so lets see if we can fix it and hopefully not have a visit from Mr Bozo.
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Nobody and I mean nobody would attempt this kind of “repair”. I’m so impressed by your thinking process and manufacturing skills to achieve such a high level of precision using human sized fingers to complete this. Tom you’re back in a big way. Great job.
More like Italian sausage fingers. Thanks for the nice comment.
Cheers,
Tom
Tom, you and I have met before and when this video showed up I had to run to the garage and check my tools. My dad, born in 1921, was an Army aircraft mechanic near the end of WWII. In 1949 he worked for United Airlines in the maintenance facility at SFO. When he passed away, I got all of his complete set of Craftsman tools and some other odd bits. One of those was Snap On Ferret F-70N ratchet, date code 50. He lived just off the beach in Ventura, so I serviced all of the tools with Evaporust and a lot of TLC.
After leaving United, he never had his own tools at work and eventually managed multiple departments. So the ratchet still has 90% of its chrome left and is in great shape. I have used it a couple of times. Rather small and light, but perfect for working on those aluminum airplanes. Thanks for jarring my old gray cells. Great memory of my dad a day after Fathers Day.
Hey Kurt,
Your dad may have crossed paths with Chet's uncle Leo who had this ratchet and worked at United.
Cheers,
Tom
Over the top Tom!! No words to describe my gratitude for sharing your time, knowledge and expertise with us. I'm sure my great uncle Leo would be thrilled as I am
Hey Chet, Thanks for providing a fun little project. The ratchet is sitting on the table in my office.
Cheers,
Tom
$1000 shop time repair for a $90 tool - sentimental value - PRICELESS!
awesome work Tom.
True!
Cheers,
Tom
And they are guaranteed for life.😆
"here's its modern contemporary... I bought this in 1986."
Now that you say that it is actually pretty funny.
Cheers,
Tom
Perfect! Love seeing the old tools kept alive!
Thanks for sharing 🇨🇦
Thanks for, showing/telling on, your Mr. Bozo moments! Everyone has them, but few people show them! Keeping it honest, staying humble! 👌
Completely agree!
Tom, I appreciate how you show your bozo moments. I learn as much from them as anything else!☺️
We still have kits for these and I repair at least one of these a month. They quit using brass for the reverser pin and Phillips screws to hold it together in the 50’s. Most of the ones I see are date coded E and G from WW2 because they made crazy amounts of them.
Right on! Good to know a good company still services things like this. Thanks for the comment.
Cheers,
Tom
SnapOn RKRA380 is the repair kit for that ratchet.
@@jeffkimble8857 Well crap. Could have saved pulling out some of my non existent hair.
Cheers,
Tom
@@oxtoolco😂
Two awesome old-school OXTool vids back to back (lunch tray and all)!
Love it!!!
Sometimes it's the simple math that bites me on projects. I guess I've take it for granted because it's so simple to over look and to focus on the harder parts WAY to much. Tom, I just want to say thanks for all you do with your RUclips videos. As a machinist for 30+yrs now, I enjoy watching different prospectives and learning from them. It's made me a better machinist and to try to encourage and help my younger co-workers to strive to be better and take true pride in their work. If people develop a passion for Machining, it truly becomes a way of life in everything they do!
Hey Joey,
Well said. We only rent the knowledge for a while. It is all of our responsibilities to pass that knowledge on to the up and coming folks.
Cheers,
Tom
I would love to see how did you manage to get the wrong one out
Me too 😊
Basically I used a carbide end mill to push down on the ball and mill off the retention portion of the insert. The ball and spring then came out and I could remove the remainder of the brass insert.
Cheers,
Tom
This is exactly the question I had and thank you Tom for answering! I’ll ask in the other plied vid how the heck you loosened them up!
Allways a big pleasure when Mr. Bozo is coming to town paying a visit :D
Well you are welcome to entertain him at your shop for a while.....
Cheers,
Tom
@@oxtoolco In fact he was hanging around at my place before he came to you. I tried to stop him but you know how eager he can be. :D
The minute I saw this video I had to run out to the shop to have a look at my ratchet.
I purchased mine back in the 1970's when I was a teenager and now I'm a senior citizen.
I really like that ratchet because it fits my hand perfectly when I grab it and it's fixed a lot of stuff. I'm a retired certified millwright.
A guy learns something new every day of his life and I didn't know Snap On had date codes on them.
According to the code mine is 1979 which matches perfectly to when I thought I bought it.
I had to repair mine too. The ratchet would skip. Turns out it just needed cleaning.
We missed you tom. Keep them coming buddy
15:07 “table cad” nice
Great repair job Tom. Good to help out a friend. Enjoy yourself at the bash. Cheers Nobby
So after 10 years or so of watching I finally managed to predict a mr bozo coming up when the drill grabbed on the brass....still a lovely educational vid as always.
Yapp.Real time whole thinking process.Thank you,Tom.
In the late 70s, a friend broke his Dads ratchet that he’d used on Shermans during the war. Snap-on took it away and replaced the whole ratchet assembly. Kept it working I guess, even if not totally original.
Thanks Tom . I ALWAYS learn something watching your videos .
From your axe video I cleaned all my axes and mauls up. I polished them then used TEAK OIL to cover the steel as well as the handles and the results far exceeded my expectations. I mention this as a thought to polish the ratchet on the buffing wheel and apply the teak oil. I was impressed how well the oil binds to the axe head even after use and have been using it on many old refurbished tools.
Wow Tom! Way to make a super difficult repair......look possible. In my years of mechanic'n, I've always thought about how difficult the detent ball portion would be to make, in comparison to the rest of a ratchet. After destroying a 3/4” drive breaker handle (with a cheater pipe), I made a new square socket drive, which lacks the detent ball, but otherwise has worked flawlessly.
Excellent job, & thanks for another fantastic video!
Without the ball detent the otherwise good tool is nearly worthless and frustrating at best. Thanks for the nice comment.
Cheers,
Tom
I found one of these ratchets when I was around 7 years old in the mid 60s gave it to my father who was a master mechanic, he retired and gave that ratchet back to me . I still use it to this day .
That's ballsy. These ratchets are absolute hammers as far as precision and ease of use. A couple ft-lbs of back drag is about right for a 3/4 drive ratchet nowadays.
@@operator8014 Agreed, Compared to my Snap on 80 tooth this one is a box of rocks.
Cheers,
Tom
Now that’s a cool repair for an old snap on ratchet
Nice little repair! I once absolutely overfilled my crusty ratchet with grease. It was really nice, because after that, it was practically silent, but worked like a charm.
Thanks so much, Tom -- these videos are a treat. Basically like sitting down with a mentor for 40 minutes and just watching how he approaches and solves problems. To me, this is at least as valuable as a carefully scripted lesson -- here, we get to gain some insight into your problem-solving in real time. (Oh, and I'm loving the tips for zeroing the tailstock, especially the use of the carriage + DRO)
Now that was a OxTool video there, great to have you back Tom, thanks for the lessons
Always a reward to see your videos pop up in my feed. Have a great time at the Bash, hope you see some cool stuff. Thanks for the upload as always
You’re the man Tom. Appreciate what you do.
Nice to see you again Tom!
I have a Snap-on F-70 M with a date code of 6 or 8(?) that I bought as USAF surplus around 1970. It went to surplus because the change lever was missing and it took me until 5 years ago i.e. nearly 50 years(!) to get around to putting a new fabricated lever on and only then because I finally got fed up with doing the change over with my fingernails. Its in very sound condition with no blemishes and is my go to ratchet in preference to the modern ones that are clunky by comparison.
Your video has inspired me to repair the ball lock on my 3/8" torque wrench (also ex USAF of the same vintage), thank you.
Hey Clive. Great motivational story!
Cheers,
Tom
Thanks Tom! Always great to see one of your videos. Rumor has it, if you put one a week out, Mr. Bozo will vacate the premises!
Great to see content from you again
That was a tiny assembly pressing the brass, spring, and ball in. I would have fumbled so many times that "words would be said" by me. Very interesting video, thank you for sharing.
Nice job Tom! Saving tools like that, is a very noble endeavor.
Great to see you back, Tom!
Tom, doing repair work is often my most satisfying work. Knowing I'm putting my efforts in to restore the work of a previous craftsman and so on. I also think it's the way things go when you are trying to use precision on tools like this that have long ago deformed and become slightly off from true in so many dimensions.
For a while I've been wishing I could attend the Bar Z bash. I'd like to bring spicy beef jerky but I've never found a time to make it work.
Good repair Tom, well worthy of the tool. My Dad used a SK 1/2 ratchet, not sure of the vintage but if I had to guess early sixties and it has similar construction for the detent. You can see the different metal around the ball. I'll have to take a look at it more closely the next time I'm at the storage place.
Hey Bill. I actually like SK tools. The old timey auto shop I used to hang out in sold SK and the older stuff is really nice. Hope to see you at the bash.
Cheers,
Tom
Good to see you back Tom.
I saw at least one mention of the shop time cost of a repair like this. It made me think back to my early days as an electrician working for someone else in a shop that had a storefront in a downtown area where they also did appliance and lamp/fixture repair. We electricians repaired most of the lights (the owner and office lady did some, too) any time we got back to the shop before it was time to clock out. Because of that, I can repair pretty much any light fixture you put in front of me, but the cost at today's rates would be exorbitant. I came up with a plan similar to yours, Tom, where I fix the ones I think are worth it in some way, whether it's sentimental value, or historical value, or whatever and I do it at greatly reduced rates. It's not always about the money and it's not always for the customer.
I love these videos. I hate to see good tools get tossed. Glad to see you back in your shop and behind the camera!
Good to see you back. Excellent informative videos.
Nice to see you back making videos again.
I have tools like this from my Dad that are irreplaceable. In pretty much all cases I have better, newer, more expensive tools - I'm not as obsessive a tool collector as you, yet, but getting there. But that's not the point. They were Dad's tools, they're worn because they spent hundreds of hours in his hands doing useful work. When they break the vast tool collection gets deployed to fix them because it's the right thing to do.
That was a nice little side project. Just like you need the right tool for the job that right man operating the tool is also critical. KOKO!
Damn you, Tom. I have box after box of repair part assortments. Do I have a ball bearing assortment? No, not yet, but soon. Maybe springs, too, if I see one I like.
You know that machinists cannot resist a hardened steel ball. Almost all of them have a couple rolling around their toolboxes.
Cheers,
Tom
Thank Mr Bozo for the extra learning opportunities! 😂
Love it Tom. Good stuff as always.
I have the same wrench. I don't remember where I got it but have had it for years. Works just fine. Just kinda take it for granted. Maybe because it's never been shiny.
Glad to see you posting again! Any little things like this and other precision builds are cool
Blimey, a 'snap-on' Ferret! What am I going to witness?
Another fantastic video. Great content!
So glad you’re back Tom. You are one of the best!
Thanks for the video, Tom. Bloody brilliant, as always.
I have a ratchet that looks exactly like that one, but it is a "Plumb" brand. My step-father acquired it in the early '60s from a co-worker who was a part-time mechanic. At the time, it was in about the same condition as the one you are repairing, except that the detent ball was still there.
Tom today was the very rare moment where I was disappointed by something in one of your videos. When you told that you had to remove and redo. I got excited with anticipation of seeing you remove the ball retention mechanism. Only to have my hopes dashed by you not showing your methods. I understand your reluctance in showing your frustration but inquiring minds want to know. I do enjoy your new series of tool repair. As always thank you. You are a wise use of my time.
Good point. I probably should have shown how I got the pressed in one out at least. The rest of it was the same as already shown. Basically I used a carbide end mill to push down on the ball and mill off the retention portion of the insert. The ball and spring then came out and I could remove the remainder of the brass insert.
Cheers,
Tom
@@oxtoolco It is encouraging to learn that the way I would have done it worked. My concern was the possibility that the ball would not push down far enough to get at the retention portion and would just spin with the cutter. If that happened my next attempt would have been super glue the ball so it would hold still enough to be milled off. If all of that failed I was contemplating making a very small hole saw. It would not have to work that great it was only cutting brass. another option would be the rotary table and a very small milling cutter. As you see I tend to over think things and to have several contingency plans. Where would your approach differed from mine?
@@Proverbhouse Sometimes it works best just to try you first idea and see what happens. If it doesn't go as planned then make a new plan. Analysis paralysis is a real thing but at some point you have to do something. I find that allowing yourself to do something is many times the best and most efficient path.
Cheers,
Tom
Tom! Thank you! I’m staying up late now. ❤
Great work Tom! Thank you.
Excellent work! Thanks for sharing!
I loved this!
Just an FYI, I live 2+ hours north of Sacramento and I love how you break things down to the component level. I wish I could be your apprentice despite being 46 years old. I hope all goes well for you and I look forward to your future episodes.
Northern California love,
Sal
Hey Sal, Thanks for the nice comment. NorCal rules!
Cheers,
Tom
Glad I found this video, will try to make it to the bash.
Nice job on that ratchet. When I worked at DeLorean I used to use the super small 1/4" form factor ratchet with the 3/8" guts. That was the uber ferret and was used heavily by myself. Then there were times when no ratchet could get in...used to superglue 6x1.0 nuts to the tip of my index finger to install.
Thank you Tom!
Now that you're back maybe Mr Bozo will leave me alone some.
I didn't think those ball-retainers were that BIG. I guess it's relative.
Outstanding 👍
another great video, tom - i’ve always wondered how these were machined - thank you!
Happy Father's Day Tom.
Pretty cool repair Tom.
I have my father-in-law’s Snap-on Midget M-70M. It was a crazy 9/32”-drive ratchet, before the days of 1/4”-drives. I only have one 9/32”-drive socket, a WF 12 Plumb brand 5/16”, which is mounted to a 9/32”-drive Plumb WF 7 breaker bar. Really cool pieces of days long gone.
I have a 3/8 drive in a 1/4 ratchet body that I love. Somebody sent me pictures of a 5/8 drive which I have never seen. So glad they seemed to standardize on this before I started buying tools seriously.
Cheers,
Tom
Wow back again, It looks lke a good sumer. Thanks for the video keep on keeping on.
It would have been interesting seeing you derive the machining depth eqn.
Nice job
Maybe not. I blew the math on that one.
Cheers,
Tom
My force gauge has answered a gob of questions I didn't realize I needed to answer
I don't know why but, it feels so very fantastic when things just fit together the way they're supposed to.
Thanks Tom. Nice job!!!
Thanks for the 2 new videos!!
Thanks again Tom
Good to see you again Tom
Hey Rusty,
Thanks for stopping by.
Cheers,
Tom
Mr Bozo…..Robert’s your Relative…..
Love your passion for precision….
Glad to see more new vids! Keep em' comin!
My dad also remembers roughly within a year or two the date he aquired some 30 and 40 year old tools, When i asked him what year i was born he was off by 6... I found that quite funny.
I don't think my dad has ever known my age. I asked him to find me health insurance when I was in my early 20s, and when I went to use the insurance, the pharmacy couldn't get it to work. Well, when he signed me up, he had my birthday wrong. Lol
Hi Tom, WOW, two tool repairs in one week, that's almost a 1/2 slice of Meatloaf! Yes Mr Bozo will rear his ugly head whenever he gets a chance, I should know! But, you overcame & persevered! NICE!! See ya at da BASH!!
Really enjoyed the repair
Yes!
That was fun! Thx Tom
That’s more like it. Stay active Tom. 👍
Lets go dude!!! Great repair.
Tom used to fix snap on and craftsman Cornwell there was a series of one that used a very small snap ring to hold the ball in place I believe the tool was made in France and was relabeled it had a very fine ratchet so it moved very finely
Keep them coming Tom. Thanks
Those little compression springs look just like the fuel screw spring on 1970's Honda (Kei-Hin) carburettors.
I've got a 3/8" Snap-On ratchet between the one you have from 1980's and the much earlier one, seems the handle shape evolved over many years
Great work and great content, more please !
What a treat!
Tool repair videos are some of my favorite that you do. I remember back in the early days of your channel you repaired some kind of blade scraper that was apparently a family heirloom piece! Baby Wilton from scratch vise build is my #1 all time fav .
Tom's the bee's knees
Honestly I love it when things do go according to plan. That can be some of the most educational information to help develop a problem solving thought process in your viewers.
Man I really miss your content. Don't burn yourself out going too heavy, but hopefully you can get a rhythm back to your videos.
It’s hard to beat an OxTools video! Makes my day when there’s a new one to watch. Thanks Tom!
Yes as the years go by I'm sure we all wish our springs were stiffer. It definitely affects how far we penetrate with the spherical feed. ;-)
I can send my spring measuring device if you need to check current levels.....
Cheers,
Tom
What ever happened to Dale, he doesn't post videos anymore, life got in the way ? Say hello from his older viewer when you see him. Thanks for posting these videos Tom, much appreciated.
Well Tom, it seems that Mr. Bozo had a great visit in your shop 😂😂
It's wonderfull to have you back and to enjoy your little giggels . Well done job
36:14 that grease is so tiny!