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  • Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
  • River drives were a standard way of moving large amounts of cut timber to sawmills during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, prior to the expansion and adoption of railroads and trucks for log transport. This clip is an excerpt from "Timber on the Move: A History of Log Moving Technology," a documentary film from the Forest History Society:
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  • @westernred
    @westernred 15 лет назад +27

    this is incredible footage... I'm stunned that it only has 30 views.... even that's after I've forwarded it to everyone I know!

  • @CrayOutoors
    @CrayOutoors 13 лет назад +23

    its amazing how fast these forests bounced back though. I learned in school that the northeast has about 3 times more forested areas then it did 200 years ago. so we have made some progress.

    • @shobuddy
      @shobuddy 4 года назад +3

      Source? I find this hard to believe.

    • @CrayOutoors
      @CrayOutoors 4 года назад +18

      @@shobuddy www.dec.ny.gov/lands/4982.html By the 1880s, less than 25% of New York State remained forested.
      www.dec.ny.gov/lands/309.html Today New York state is 63% forested - forests cover 18.9 million acres of our 30 million total acres.
      You can do your own research, I'm sure there are books on the subject. You could even go to your local woodlot and count the growth rings on a stump. If your in the Northeast and looking at the woods, know that the forest your looking at grew up in the last 100 years. It's common knowledge among the forestry community that the entire northeast was clear-cut in the 1800's and early 1900's. It is a shame that our forests (and the wildlife that depended on them) were wiped out by the early 1900's but it's an even bigger shame that nobody reports on the positive progress we have made! All of North America is much greener today than it was 100 years ago, we've developed forestry sciences that allow us to sustainably harvest lumber in such a way that it often actually benefits wildlife and other species that require more sunlight. The water quality across the country is so much better today than it was 100 years ago. Lake Erie was considered a "dead lake" in 70's, it still has it's problems, but the quality of Lake Erie's water today is the best it's been since the industrial revolution. For some reason nobody wants to believe that we have actually gotten better in many regards.

    • @markschuette3770
      @markschuette3770 3 года назад +1

      @@CrayOutoors its not just about trees ! thats not just limited progress its destruction!

    • @minnowpd
      @minnowpd 2 года назад +5

      Aye. I live in the central adirondacks surrounded by 6 million acres of forest. I recall the Moose River Plains was logged out and sold to the state in the mid-1960's. Now, fifty years later its all grown back, protected as "forever wild" by the state constitution.

    • @ADVBCAT
      @ADVBCAT 2 года назад +4

      Imagine you have a million dollars, and then someone says "Hey, if you give me all of your money except for 1 dollar, I can make you 1000 times richer"... so you give him 999,999, then he gives you back 999 and says "there, see, you went from 1 to 1000!"
      Same basic concept here. Most americans have never seen a real forest.

  • @revellifevideo
    @revellifevideo 4 года назад +12

    Thanks for the upload. Was reading Hemingway's "The sun also rises" and could not for the life of me understand the scene of him fishing at a Dam driving logs. Now with this visual I can grasp the scenery so much better!

  • @chris77777777ify
    @chris77777777ify 3 года назад +16

    Imagine falling in that river with all those floaters in there.

    • @jessicavazquez7444
      @jessicavazquez7444 Год назад +3

      Imagine the animal living and using the river as a home?

  • @cspetlamb
    @cspetlamb Месяц назад

    Excellent!

  • @jerrylincoln5040
    @jerrylincoln5040 Год назад +1

    Thank you for showing us what enterprising, greed driven, short sighted, happy slaves we were. We can learn from our mistakes, if our mistakes don't kill us first. We could have learned so much from the native people. We've been given a paradise to live in lets live as one in peace and harmony with all.

  • @PatrickPierceBateman
    @PatrickPierceBateman 3 года назад +10

    R.I.P. All the wildlife in that river.

  • @hubert187
    @hubert187 2 года назад +1

    The last time I read about a log drive was in a children's book. For some reason, I only imagined 5 or 10 at a time.

  • @kentomlinson9687
    @kentomlinson9687 11 лет назад +10

    Living on the prairies in Saskatchewan I found this very interesting.

  • @506jeff
    @506jeff 2 года назад +1

    man what an awesome job that would be, running log drives for over 100 miles? sign me up!

  • @rosewhite---
    @rosewhite--- 6 лет назад +11

    oh my! thats dangerous work!

  • @scottyrousay1608
    @scottyrousay1608 3 года назад +5

    Canoed threw many lake and rivers with remains if the log flumes in Northern Ontario
    And historical Fur trade routes pretty cool stuff traveling the same way they did

    • @idahogreen2885
      @idahogreen2885 3 года назад +1

      Im with ya man. Were all part of the long line of men, from the way long ago, to right here where we are now, working and building civilizations.

  • @sweetenedicedtea
    @sweetenedicedtea 14 лет назад +8

    It's amazing how smart people were back then.

  • @natewilson111
    @natewilson111 3 года назад +3

    My kids make a log jam almost every week in the bathroom...

  • @natewilson111
    @natewilson111 3 года назад +1

    I think they're showing the River Styx?

  • @7777PEACEMAKER
    @7777PEACEMAKER 3 года назад

    Fascinating

  • @pierre-richard6779
    @pierre-richard6779 3 года назад +4

    Crazy ti think theres so much wood ...now we look at the way we catch fish ...remind me of the madness

  • @davemeads859
    @davemeads859 3 года назад +5

    As a wood worker I so wish we still did this it would have been a great job

    • @JamesWillmus
      @JamesWillmus 2 года назад +5

      It was very dangerous work though. Logging in general is very hazardous but being a river driver was right up there with being a soldier.

    • @Edfiki86
      @Edfiki86 9 месяцев назад

      ​@@JamesWillmusLumber is violent. I work in a lumber yard and I do my best to respect lumber.
      I can't imagine the dangers of controlling logs in a river.

  • @mwothe
    @mwothe 4 года назад +5

    I'm gonna guess OSHA wouldn't much go for this in 2019. Injury rate about 100% lol

  • @Mrberlinnh
    @Mrberlinnh 12 лет назад +1

    This is Berlin, N.H. the photo at the end proves it.

  • @jamesfarley8068
    @jamesfarley8068 3 года назад

    Makes me wanna go swimming there

  • @catclark9488
    @catclark9488 3 года назад +2

    I hate to think of how many men lost their lives doing that :(

  • @clockworkNate
    @clockworkNate 2 года назад

    They eat when they are hungry and they drink when they are dry, get drunk whenever they're ready, get sober by an by..

  • @curtainsup9
    @curtainsup9 6 лет назад +2

    Buy and read the fascinating Book by W. E. Blackhurst : Riders of the Flood. I got my copy at Amazon. If you google the title you will find sellers. This is an amazing book about logging in Pocahontas and Greenbrier Counties WV at the turn of the 1900's. Anyone who likes this video will love the book.

  • @tightywhitey9779
    @tightywhitey9779 Год назад

    Men used to do real rewarding physical work for a living. My ass sits on excel all day everyday crunching numbers. I sometimes wish it was like the old days. Yes I know, this was incredibly dangerous work. We’ve just come so far from our natural way of life now.

  • @kosherpickle
    @kosherpickle 6 лет назад +1

    Mon arrière grand mère faisait la drave en 1897.

  • @s46d45m17
    @s46d45m17 13 лет назад

    Yes I have a car a computer but if I had my way I would live like a full fledged 100% self sustained mountain man this is my dream.

    • @halwakka504
      @halwakka504 7 лет назад

      Alaska or northern Canada.

  • @dillongoble7483
    @dillongoble7483 3 года назад

    I wish I had this job

  • @wildaxetv9211
    @wildaxetv9211 3 года назад

    What year was this?

  • @rawbacon
    @rawbacon 3 года назад +4

    You'll never see men doing that kind of work nowadays at least not in this country.

    • @elihowden6948
      @elihowden6948 3 года назад +1

      I do the modern day version of this job for a living, its not quite like this, theres a lot of chains and extremely gnarly work , were still out here to an extent.
      Im from British Columbia , Canada
      where are you from?

  • @bestamerica
    @bestamerica 3 года назад

    '
    what year in this old film video

  • @rosewhite---
    @rosewhite--- 6 лет назад +1

    1:48 are any of those log tugs still around or all scrapped?

  • @duwonrhee3589
    @duwonrhee3589 3 года назад

    the river in the pine

  • @Mrberlinnh
    @Mrberlinnh 12 лет назад +1

    This must have been the Brown Company of Berlin, N.H. because in the link it says New Hampshire.

    • @cleatusmcgurkin3740
      @cleatusmcgurkin3740 3 года назад

      I used to live in North Conway and I can remember times when you could smell the mill from there.

  • @georgepretnick4460
    @georgepretnick4460 5 лет назад

    Them're some tiny little logs. What're they gonna build with'em, bird houses?

  • @ronsmith1364
    @ronsmith1364 3 года назад

    interesting & now 80k lbs of logs go over road to the mills via semi-s

  • @elihowden6948
    @elihowden6948 3 года назад

    hahaha ! OMG I am a boom man (modern day log driver)
    this is incredible to see. this is my rooooots !
    nothing like smoking doobies with your boom mates, bouncing on those buoyant logs and getting into a rhythm
    with a sidewinder you can use your propellor on the boat and lean against things and make your own currents with the prop wash to guide the logs , or to flip them and sorting them by species as you move.
    but this is the OG shit right here fuck !

  • @zach7plays939
    @zach7plays939 4 года назад

    wow.

  • @lassepeterson2740
    @lassepeterson2740 10 месяцев назад

    It ruduced trucking . Give it that respect .

  • @user-xm2qh3wg2u
    @user-xm2qh3wg2u 3 года назад +1

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  • @3Mudbone1
    @3Mudbone1 13 лет назад +1

    @edjohnston1969 It kept them from having to build massive logging roads and use thousands of trucks though. It may have not hurt the salmon much.

  • @miketreadwell5654
    @miketreadwell5654 4 года назад +1

    lot of short logs

  • @BobanOrlovic
    @BobanOrlovic 3 года назад

    Looks apocalyptic

  • @rameshkumar-ib6ii
    @rameshkumar-ib6ii Год назад

    More video

  • @user-xm2qh3wg2u
    @user-xm2qh3wg2u 3 года назад +1

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  • @zach7plays939
    @zach7plays939 4 года назад

    So the really put T.N.T. there!?

  • @punkmaggie
    @punkmaggie 13 лет назад +11

    good bye the trout an salmon!!

  • @oldmaidwhovianakanancyg4425
    @oldmaidwhovianakanancyg4425 10 лет назад +4

    Loggers were--and in some rare cases, still are---a special breed. Technology has changed drastically. Now, a man can sit on his bottom inside a machine and remove, trim and cut to length trees, and remove the dead branches, all in one go. But there are still some whom still use horses and care about preserving the integrity of the woodlot.
    As for the environments shriekers--get a grip, yeah? It was an entirely different world back then. This wasn't filmed very much past the days when racism was the norm, women couldn't vote and you couldn't legally purchase alcohol. Environmentalism didn't even exist back then, as we know it today.

  • @NipplesOfDestiny
    @NipplesOfDestiny 15 дней назад

    And they all basically worked for nothing, worked from sunrise to sunset and pay would equate to around $2500-3000/month in today's currency

  • @yutufyourselable
    @yutufyourselable 3 года назад

    Nice done, deforestation is ok. Look at the amount of wood required to make those piles.

  • @user-xm2qh3wg2u
    @user-xm2qh3wg2u 3 года назад +1

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  • @dalsbury1979
    @dalsbury1979 13 лет назад +4

    @s46d45m17 I assume you have a car and a computer, or at least you are using a computer that is probably powered by the very thing you condemn. We should be good stewards of our environment, I agree, but give me a break. The hypocrisy is so frustrating.

    • @1rvtastic124
      @1rvtastic124 4 года назад

      Are you in a better place now?

  • @chrisE815
    @chrisE815 3 года назад +9

    To anyone complaining about ruining the environment... Do you live in a mud hut and ride your bicycle everywhere?

    • @jacobb7608
      @jacobb7608 5 месяцев назад +4

      The benefits of log running don't magically make the negative impacts disappear. Two things can be true at once.

  • @user-xm2qh3wg2u
    @user-xm2qh3wg2u 3 года назад +1

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  • @markschuette3770
    @markschuette3770 3 года назад +6

    we are an industrious species BUT its amazing how much they destroyed the river and forest ecosystems! with no thought. the only place you may really need wood to build a house is in the roof.

    • @PhilJonesIII
      @PhilJonesIII 3 года назад +5

      Hate to break it to you but the wood pulp for paper industry learned early that they would have to plant in order to stay in business. The world has 40% more forest than 40 years ago.

    • @markschuette3770
      @markschuette3770 3 года назад +1

      @@PhilJonesIII a bunch of trees is NOT a forest.

    • @PhilJonesIII
      @PhilJonesIII 3 года назад +3

      @@markschuette3770 40% increase NET worldwide. The world has more trees, a lot more trees. It's not all Amazon cut and burn you know. I'm not playing a one-upmanship game here but the media is very misleading on this subject.
      And 40% is not a small forest either.

    • @mrcompatable
      @mrcompatable 3 года назад +1

      @@markschuette3770 Umm yeah that's kind of what makes a forest. A bunch of trees.

    • @markschuette3770
      @markschuette3770 3 года назад

      @@mrcompatable nope- a forest is an ecosystem- water, oxygen, carbon sequestation, wildlife, recreation, other forest products, shade, etc. all of which are actually more valuable over time than tree harvesting for lumber.

  • @josephastier7421
    @josephastier7421 6 лет назад +1

    Back when men were men and OSHA was nowhere to be seen. What was the purpose of such short logs?

    • @residual_soap
      @residual_soap 6 лет назад +1

      Joseph Astier - Shorter logs are easier to float down stream, rather than huge lumber that can cause build up and are are harder to control due to the weight

    • @josephastier7421
      @josephastier7421 6 лет назад +1

      I get that....what the heck were they for? Railroad ties? Fuel?

    • @residual_soap
      @residual_soap 6 лет назад

      Joseph Astier - Railroad ties, yes. Fuel sure.
      Depending on the wood they would use it for bowls and such. Transporting it to populated cities for expansion, all that jazz

    • @cooterhazzardbhogg8236
      @cooterhazzardbhogg8236 6 лет назад +6

      Asian Artichoke pulp wood for paper newsprint

    • @storminnormanz
      @storminnormanz 6 лет назад +1

      this is back when pulpwood was 5 feet long, so guys could tote it on their shoulder

  • @mirkomartinovic949
    @mirkomartinovic949 3 года назад

    Tito dragi ja drva

  • @the10thman87
    @the10thman87 3 года назад +5

    Unrestricted rape of nature. Oh how I miss the good old days.

  • @hagvaktok
    @hagvaktok 3 года назад +7

    Yup, thats how you destroy an ecosystem. Pretty brutal.

    • @CarlosGarcia-me7ym
      @CarlosGarcia-me7ym 3 года назад

      Imagina que no se destruye la Natura en el pazado, sería las mejores aguas del mundo y generaría muchísimo más ganancias que destruir todo,saludos desde ,COSTA RICA C.A

  • @mrm3678
    @mrm3678 3 года назад +2

    The beginning of the end. Congratulations, earthlings.

  • @annabryan8532
    @annabryan8532 6 лет назад

    b

  • @cico03081979
    @cico03081979 11 лет назад

    rivers make damage!!!

  • @andyhammer9218
    @andyhammer9218 3 года назад

    15 hour days. now omg 8 hrs we are being over worked we need more wages

  • @janmuylllaert4266
    @janmuylllaert4266 3 года назад +7

    wiping out thousands of years old forests , pristine ecosystems and salmon spawning beds , and the native peoples , gruesome . Nothing to be proud of.

    • @Bob-ed9tc
      @Bob-ed9tc Год назад +1

      Do you live in a house? Do you have furniture? Do you use paper? Trees are crops. They can be grown and harvested every 50 or so years. I spent 5 years running log trucks, and you would be hard pressed to find a group of people who cared more about preserving the forest than loggers. We grew up in the woods, we work in the woods. We hunt in the woods. The woods are our home. Loggers don’t want to destroy them.

    • @midge486
      @midge486 Год назад

      @@Bob-ed9tc great reply👌🏻

    • @pnwdirtlife
      @pnwdirtlife 5 месяцев назад

      Hug a few more trees

  • @imthevoice7482
    @imthevoice7482 3 года назад

    No wonder why Americans never been blamed for massive deforestation and being the major reason for climate change

  • @NicolasMarinoDiTeana
    @NicolasMarinoDiTeana 3 года назад

    Criminel.

  • @hugolafhugolaf
    @hugolafhugolaf 3 года назад

    Why is this in my recommended NOW, in March 2021?
    Thank God this is now forbidden.