Thanks! That was a really smooth review of this new features. I've been off and on with mindmap tools over the years, never having bought them but using free versions and trials. Lately a lot of thoughts have tried to come out of my head in a map format so I'm revisiting the offerings. This new feature for mindnode sounds great because I often like to brain dump info in an outline format and this seems pretty slick.
An alternative to buying this on the "monthly hire purchase fee" is if you own a version of MindNode buy "Cloud Outline Pro" from the apple store for a one off payment of £10 .Saving work in opml format, you get to open your work straight into MindNode and Scrivener. In my case I already own MIndNode, Scrivener 3 + now Cloud Outliner Pro.
On the Mac I use only a small percentage of OmniOutliner's capabilities, but I take full advantage of key-command remapping to make it easier to use. (the stock Shift-Command-CloseBracket to create a sub-node? That's mental.) I almost never use OmniOutliner's columns, and I hate the ugly font/color templates, but one real advantage is the ability to create your own. And OmniOutliner can be used to actually write in, something that MindNode is not able to do as well (and which looks horrible in mind map mode). I agree that most people, especially those for whom outlining is a new paradigm, probably can get along nicely just with MindNode. But if you make involved outlines you're better off with something like OmniOutliner, and then if needed transforming the OMPL into a mind map later in MindNode, iThoughts X, etc.
I must've dabbled in OmniOutliner's various templates a hundred times over the years, yet I keep coming right back to the basic plain one. When I have done multiple columns, it's been when working on a project for a long time and I found it helpful to be able to change some text to, say, green to show me that this bit was finished. The keystrokes I can never remember are the ones to Expand All and Collapse All. Funny: even though I've used Keyboard Maestro to create all sorts of keyboard shortcuts for other apps, I've not done it to OmniOutliner. I must do that immediately. Thanks.
Sounds good, for creating an initial outline. I'd then, probably, would want to move that outline into Obsidian, so that I'd be able to link things up with other documents!
I kept meaning to say, you can drag documents into OmniOutliner. That may not be what you mean, but I have a couple of outlines where I've dragged in some scripts or Pages documents and then tucked them out of the way until I need them.
Thank you for explaining the outlining mode. I want to transfer my grad school class outlines into MindMap with outline mode so that I can collapse subtopics.
My pleasure. I just showed MindNode to a group in a live workshop and I swear I got more excited than they did about how you could collapse parts like that.
Your videos are great. Always insightful. I have the non-subscription version of Mind Node and am considering upgrading. A few thoughts come to mind, Thoughts like this have to spring up. Otherwise the voices in my head wouldn't have anyone to talk to. The columns in OmniOutliner have more use than merely outlining. For instance, I like Aeon Timeline but don't really enjoy entering data into Aeon's user interface. Version 3 of Aeon is probably going to be spiffier, said to be out this year. So, you can outline in OO, with columns for Aeon's fields for start, end, participant, observer, arc, etc. I have a template set up with the columns I want. Export OO to CSV, then import the file without modification into Aeon. Each time you import, you tell Aeon which OO column matches which Aeon field, so there's a bit of mouse clicking. Other than that, OO to Aeon Timeline is a pretty straight paper path. Outline to timeline, one step. MindNode is a very polished application, but it's not as flexible in terms of import and export. For me, a traditional outline is too much a tool for categorization and I think that will hold true with MindNode's new outlining features. Outlines are great for building a taxonomy. For building a story, you do things a little differently and it's nice to have a single reference appear in multiple places. For instance, let's say there is a sentient gilt doily of doom that crops up every time things get bad. It's nice to outline in such a way the notes about the gilt doily appear every where they're needed. I've got a method for that worked out to do that, but this is long enough as is. Thanks again for your videos.
Thank you. Would you let me know what you think if you do upgrade? I bought the full version years ago and now also have it through Setapp so I'm fuzzy over what you do and don't get with the pro edition. It looks to me like the free one has practically everything, though.
@@WilliamGallagher How odd. I replied this morning, but don't see the post now. At the risk of repeating myself - assuming I can remember what I said! - I'll have another go. Anyone with the IOS and Mac versions of the non-subscription MindNode can get the subscription model on a generous one year trial. I signed up. MindNode will function as a serviceable outliner, but not great in its present form. For instance, I like to set up OmniOutliner to display topic notes in-line. MindNode has no option for that and shift-command-K will only bring up the note popover in map view, not in outline view. The way to see, enter, or modify notes in outline view is to open the inspector panel. If MindNode was the only outline tool I had, life would most definitely go on, but I don't outline in the traditional Harvard sense. For me, a traditional outline degrades into a hierarchy. A story plan needs to follow a linear progression. An outline is fine as long as I limit myself to one or two levels. Without a doubt, MindNode is the best-running mind map utility I've ever used, and the updated outline mode is a nice enhancement. It's a given more outlining features are going to be added, so it's probably a little unfair to judge it by its present form. MindNode remains an extremely recommendable application.
Now it's my turn to find something odd: I had a notification that you'd replied but RUclips wasn't showing it to me. Alchemy, that's what this is. I'm afraid I twitched slightly when you mentioned the Harvard outlining process: I realise I don't remember a single thing about it, I certainly don't use it, but somewhere in my past I must've run across that -- and quite possibly run away again quickly.
@@WilliamGallagher I thought I'd replied - faith in my waning cognition is restored! Truth to tell, I'm not an expert on Harvard outlining. As I understand, it's the typical hierarchy of categories, sub-categories, sub-sub-categories, and on to test the limits of Planck scale measurement. Stairwells to dark cellars, not the best story plan. Cornell notes are another interesting style and could be the basis for a nice storyboarding technique. There's not much to Cornell notes, really. It's a format on a page. More than anything else it reminds you to ask questions and to distill your notes into a summary. My recent successful outlining has been in Devonthink. I start with individual short notes about plot devices, characters, and locations. Then I tag them with Chapter One, Chapter Two, etc. The end result can look very messy until you display just one chapter. Then, you have just the notes that pertain to what you're writing at that moment. Thank you for your videos and this excellent conversation. I've subscribed to your mailing list and also found a thoroughly delightful book I'd recommend to anyone with a passion for writing - The Blank Screen, on Kindle, very reasonably priced and now in my library. Perhaps you've heard of it? :-) Hmmm.... Note to self - a Nisus or Mellel template in Cornell format might be a nice addition to my Devonthink arsenal. I must exercise newly rediscovered cognition and experiment with that.
Ha! I see what you did there: thank you, I like that The Blank Screen book, though that author... sheesh... But DEVONthink! Only yesterday I was in an email conversation with the makers of that because they're releasing an updated version of their iOS app. I'm definitely going to explore it for a future episode but I think it'll take me a while. I used it on the Mac a few years ago and felt I didn't get into it enough. Can you tell me anything more about why you like it?
So with this update we can organize the chapters of a book, or blocks of text of an article, right inside MindNode, is it? BTW: thank you again for another video. They’re always insightful!
Thank you. And yes. I think I'd use it for the chapter titles and the headings, more than I'd write full blocks of text, but I can't see why you couldn't do it. Certainly I do exactly that in OmniOutliner, though often by accident: I'm writing down one single thought and it somehow becomes a paragraph, then regularly an entire article. And then I have to get all of that text back out again.
@@WilliamGallagher agreed. I see that on Mindnode I can write comments on each node, that may be a block of text or paragraph. As for OmniOutliner, yes I see it's more dedicated, but it's another tool to pay ;-)
Indeed. I do think Omni does its free trials well, but you could keep on buying new apps from everyone and as well as being out of cash at the end of it, I think you'd not get to know any one of the apps well enough for them to be worth it.
I just came here for MindNode info, what charming chap
Goodness, thank you. Beaming here.
Thanks! That was a really smooth review of this new features. I've been off and on with mindmap tools over the years, never having bought them but using free versions and trials. Lately a lot of thoughts have tried to come out of my head in a map format so I'm revisiting the offerings. This new feature for mindnode sounds great because I often like to brain dump info in an outline format and this seems pretty slick.
Brilliant, thank you. Would you let me know what you think if you stick with it for a time?
@@WilliamGallagher Definitely! I just set a reminder to follow-up in a month. Perhaps I'll have some experience with it by then :)
@@WilliamGallagher Well, I haven't actually done as much mind mapping as I expected, so no feedback yet to share :)
Tipp: you can split a text into two in MindNode Outline using SHIFT+RETURN
Fantastic: thank you.
nice! I was already scheming up a BetterTouchTool shortcut for this when I heard it in the video :)
An alternative to buying this on the "monthly hire purchase fee" is if you own a version of MindNode buy "Cloud Outline Pro" from the apple store for a one off payment of £10 .Saving work in opml format, you get to open your work straight into MindNode and Scrivener. In my case I already own MIndNode, Scrivener 3 + now Cloud Outliner Pro.
Thanks. I hadn't even heard of Cloud Outline Pro. I'm reluctant to add yet another app to my tin-cans-on-wires assembly of software, but I'm tempted.
On the Mac I use only a small percentage of OmniOutliner's capabilities, but I take full advantage of key-command remapping to make it easier to use. (the stock Shift-Command-CloseBracket to create a sub-node? That's mental.)
I almost never use OmniOutliner's columns, and I hate the ugly font/color templates, but one real advantage is the ability to create your own. And OmniOutliner can be used to actually write in, something that MindNode is not able to do as well (and which looks horrible in mind map mode).
I agree that most people, especially those for whom outlining is a new paradigm, probably can get along nicely just with MindNode. But if you make involved outlines you're better off with something like OmniOutliner, and then if needed transforming the OMPL into a mind map later in MindNode, iThoughts X, etc.
I must've dabbled in OmniOutliner's various templates a hundred times over the years, yet I keep coming right back to the basic plain one. When I have done multiple columns, it's been when working on a project for a long time and I found it helpful to be able to change some text to, say, green to show me that this bit was finished.
The keystrokes I can never remember are the ones to Expand All and Collapse All. Funny: even though I've used Keyboard Maestro to create all sorts of keyboard shortcuts for other apps, I've not done it to OmniOutliner. I must do that immediately. Thanks.
Sounds good, for creating an initial outline. I'd then, probably, would want to move that outline into Obsidian, so that I'd be able to link things up with other documents!
I kept meaning to say, you can drag documents into OmniOutliner. That may not be what you mean, but I have a couple of outlines where I've dragged in some scripts or Pages documents and then tucked them out of the way until I need them.
@@WilliamGallagher that's good to know, though I'll have character profiles and such in Obsidian, which are the documents I was referring to!
Thank you for explaining the outlining mode. I want to transfer my grad school class outlines into MindMap with outline mode so that I can collapse subtopics.
My pleasure. I just showed MindNode to a group in a live workshop and I swear I got more excited than they did about how you could collapse parts like that.
Your videos are great. Always insightful.
I have the non-subscription version of Mind Node and am considering upgrading.
A few thoughts come to mind, Thoughts like this have to spring up. Otherwise the voices in my head wouldn't have anyone to talk to.
The columns in OmniOutliner have more use than merely outlining. For instance, I like Aeon Timeline but don't really enjoy entering data into Aeon's user interface. Version 3 of Aeon is probably going to be spiffier, said to be out this year.
So, you can outline in OO, with columns for Aeon's fields for start, end, participant, observer, arc, etc. I have a template set up with the columns I want.
Export OO to CSV, then import the file without modification into Aeon.
Each time you import, you tell Aeon which OO column matches which Aeon field, so there's a bit of mouse clicking. Other than that, OO to Aeon Timeline is a pretty straight paper path. Outline to timeline, one step.
MindNode is a very polished application, but it's not as flexible in terms of import and export.
For me, a traditional outline is too much a tool for categorization and I think that will hold true with MindNode's new outlining features.
Outlines are great for building a taxonomy. For building a story, you do things a little differently and it's nice to have a single reference appear in multiple places. For instance, let's say there is a sentient gilt doily of doom that crops up every time things get bad. It's nice to outline in such a way the notes about the gilt doily appear every where they're needed. I've got a method for that worked out to do that, but this is long enough as is.
Thanks again for your videos.
Thank you. Would you let me know what you think if you do upgrade? I bought the full version years ago and now also have it through Setapp so I'm fuzzy over what you do and don't get with the pro edition. It looks to me like the free one has practically everything, though.
@@WilliamGallagher How odd. I replied this morning, but don't see the post now. At the risk of repeating myself - assuming I can remember what I said! - I'll have another go.
Anyone with the IOS and Mac versions of the non-subscription MindNode can get the subscription model on a generous one year trial. I signed up.
MindNode will function as a serviceable outliner, but not great in its present form. For instance, I like to set up OmniOutliner to display topic notes in-line. MindNode has no option for that and shift-command-K will only bring up the note popover in map view, not in outline view.
The way to see, enter, or modify notes in outline view is to open the inspector panel.
If MindNode was the only outline tool I had, life would most definitely go on, but I don't outline in the traditional Harvard sense.
For me, a traditional outline degrades into a hierarchy. A story plan needs to follow a linear progression. An outline is fine as long as I limit myself to one or two levels.
Without a doubt, MindNode is the best-running mind map utility I've ever used, and the updated outline mode is a nice enhancement. It's a given more outlining features are going to be added, so it's probably a little unfair to judge it by its present form.
MindNode remains an extremely recommendable application.
Now it's my turn to find something odd: I had a notification that you'd replied but RUclips wasn't showing it to me. Alchemy, that's what this is. I'm afraid I twitched slightly when you mentioned the Harvard outlining process: I realise I don't remember a single thing about it, I certainly don't use it, but somewhere in my past I must've run across that -- and quite possibly run away again quickly.
@@WilliamGallagher I thought I'd replied - faith in my waning cognition is restored!
Truth to tell, I'm not an expert on Harvard outlining. As I understand, it's the typical hierarchy of categories, sub-categories, sub-sub-categories, and on to test the limits of Planck scale measurement. Stairwells to dark cellars, not the best story plan.
Cornell notes are another interesting style and could be the basis for a nice storyboarding technique. There's not much to Cornell notes, really. It's a format on a page. More than anything else it reminds you to ask questions and to distill your notes into a summary.
My recent successful outlining has been in Devonthink. I start with individual short notes about plot devices, characters, and locations. Then I tag them with Chapter One, Chapter Two, etc.
The end result can look very messy until you display just one chapter. Then, you have just the notes that pertain to what you're writing at that moment.
Thank you for your videos and this excellent conversation. I've subscribed to your mailing list and also found a thoroughly delightful book I'd recommend to anyone with a passion for writing - The Blank Screen, on Kindle, very reasonably priced and now in my library. Perhaps you've heard of it? :-)
Hmmm.... Note to self - a Nisus or Mellel template in Cornell format might be a nice addition to my Devonthink arsenal. I must exercise newly rediscovered cognition and experiment with that.
Ha! I see what you did there: thank you, I like that The Blank Screen book, though that author... sheesh... But DEVONthink! Only yesterday I was in an email conversation with the makers of that because they're releasing an updated version of their iOS app. I'm definitely going to explore it for a future episode but I think it'll take me a while. I used it on the Mac a few years ago and felt I didn't get into it enough. Can you tell me anything more about why you like it?
So with this update we can organize the chapters of a book, or blocks of text of an article, right inside MindNode, is it?
BTW: thank you again for another video. They’re always insightful!
Thank you. And yes. I think I'd use it for the chapter titles and the headings, more than I'd write full blocks of text, but I can't see why you couldn't do it. Certainly I do exactly that in OmniOutliner, though often by accident: I'm writing down one single thought and it somehow becomes a paragraph, then regularly an entire article. And then I have to get all of that text back out again.
@@WilliamGallagher agreed. I see that on Mindnode I can write comments on each node, that may be a block of text or paragraph. As for OmniOutliner, yes I see it's more dedicated, but it's another tool to pay ;-)
Indeed. I do think Omni does its free trials well, but you could keep on buying new apps from everyone and as well as being out of cash at the end of it, I think you'd not get to know any one of the apps well enough for them to be worth it.