The 12.2 is excellent value, very well built, sounds excellent and genuinely benefits from Biwire configuration. The JBL A170 are similar but the 12.2 are more refined overall. A lot of people compare these with the Polk R200 which is twice the price, less efficient and do not go as low as the 12.2. I have had the 12.2 for 6 month and they did improve as they settled in. It’s not a speaker to judge new, let it burn in and the treble, mid range and bass will improve.
Thanks for this insight, i almost bought them. But i decided 12.1 is a bit budget friendly, so it might be more interesting for more people. But happy you enjoy yours. And thanks for watching.
I had the 12.2 for 3 years and I can say that they are great, have plenty of bass but it is a lazy bass.They are good only for slow music, jazz, blues,hip hop, pop. On rock and alternative rock they suck.
Nice video and explanation of your preference for tweeter performance. I would like to make an alternative suggestion for your consideration. Years ago I read a review on what hi-fi on the Dali Spektor 2 and they also gave an alternative pick, Mission LX2. I decided on the LX2 and really enjoy their warm side of neutral musicality. No regrets with that purchase for me as I prefer a laid back mellow presentation with a tweeter that is well behaved with details that are not bright or pushed into the face. Mission still offers the LX2 however it's now in the second iteration, LX2 MK2. If you get a chance to give them a listen you might find them musically interesting with the ports left open. Cheers!
I really love how you explained (sold them haha) to me. I never heard not even single mission speker, it is an ommission on my side. But one shop near me sell them. I will go at least to demo them to get better acquainted with them. Really thanks a lot for recommendation and thanks a lor for watching this review.
Very nice presentation! i heard people saying the vocals on Elac b5.2 is better than b6.2, i did listen to b5.2 the details and the drums sound so natural, love to hear Dimond 12.1 soon.
Well, no doubt about it, elacs are more neutral, more laid back, and clearer. It is all who what prefers, but you should definitely demo them at least. You might just fall in love.
@@HIFIDaydreaming you mean the diamond's you want me to demo? It is so difficult to have one system/speakers to settle with, that sounds good for all types of music being from classical, Rock, jazz, to hip-hop etc, that is what I'm hunting for :(
@immanuelsuresh7739 That's the pain, some expenisve neutral spekers does kinda remdy that a little bit. But in a more budget friendly price range, there is no one size fits all.
Well, it is all subjective, how we interpret music. So we need to try a lot of different speakers, to find the "perfect" one for us. Thanks for watching the review, and commenting it is appreciated.
The thing about the Elac debut series is that the mark 2 killed the magic of the original, or at least that's how I found them. The mark 1, specically the debut b5, was truly outstanding and natural sounding with punchy bass and a full midrange. This was the first great budget modern bookshelf speaker I heard.
@elmerbais 80 is warmer sounding, 85 had elevated Highs, that i somehow found to be a little bit uncomfortable to my ears. 80s have a more rounded, coherent sound, as if the crossover and drivers are better combined. Bass and Mids on the other hand were not too different from each other. To be fair the Lintons and Dentons seem to have a long Break-in Period, but i sold the 85 after some weeks.
I really want to try super dentons, and denton 85. But that will have to wait a little bit. But, i have been waiting for so long to review any Wharfedale spekers, as they are very impressive comoany at any price level.
@@HIFIDaydreaming I've had the wharfedale Super Dentons for some time now and apart from the exceptional built quality and elegant retro appearance, they have a larger, broader, peppy and fun sound that has an exceptional bass kick and midrange performance. Treble is lively without being fatiguing. The soundstage is really wide because of the outward facing midrange driver. However imaging and instrument separation isn't all that great. My setup is the topping E70 Velvet and E70 connected to a rega brio to the super dentons with mogami cables.
Price alone isn't necessarily the Achilles heel for honest bass reproduction. The natural physics of cabinet size is..& can't be faked by electronic manipulation. The seasoned audiophile, if being true, can realize this lack / imbalance right away. Small cabinets are bass energy compromised. Small cabinets, on the reverse POV are jewels of Spacial performers. Independent Subwoofers presents other problems of their own. Now, that's where price to performance ratios become realized. *That's why headphones have become so popular! They present full spectrum sound minus the visceral vibrations of a live performance. Transmission line towers present the overal best compromise in realistic home music playback. Imho PS: Expensive headphones & a capable sub can contribute to the home musical fullfillment illusion ?
For economic reasons, i have stayed in stereo hifi lane, as investing in headphone, changing them, and testing them would not be feesable. Haha But I love your comment, it is really insightful. There are few spekers at bookshelf size that can deliver attack and detils and bass. But none can compare to towers regarding size and bass of sound.
@@HIFIDaydreaming I believe It comes down to what price and compromises we're comfortable with to enjoy the results ? Today's hi-fi equipment has gotten so good to getting great sound no longer has to require a second mortgage. Haha Also, deep bass reproduction isn't the only deciding factor to speaker buying. Active speakers can produce surprisingly deep bass for their modest dimensions ! Your video was really insightful. Thanks! I subscribed. A square foot pair of active speakers will probably be my next purchase. I'll wait for your take on their best compromise first! ☝
@@jamiesmith6838 It is that philosophy for everything on this Earth. We must be aware of limitations, compromises, pros and cons. etc. It is that kind of reasonable analytical approach to buying or doing anything, that make us more wiser and mature. Thanks for sub and for watching my friend.
Hi there. Great video. Diamond 12.1 are a great deal in hifi. However I personally feel the polk reserve line R100 and R200 offer more in sonic terms at this price point. Have You had a chance to listen to them personally?
@@PlaAwa didn't hear the debut 3. But can vouch that the polk R200 especially has the better sonic presentation over the diamond 12.1 especially in size of soundstage and bass prowess and is worth the extra price. I personally use the R700.
@@agnelroshandsilva3929 I have way too many speakers already and I'm not as fussy as some but if I was to make a purchase, I'd be looking at things like philharmonic BRM, DALI EPICON 2 (in Ruby Macassar) and maybe some Purifi active speakers (with purifi drivers and amps). At this price point, i don't know if i would get serious about 'bang for buck' or just get something pretty, fun or funky like some colourful encel gelatis or focal chora 806s in the blue or the cream (even though I've heard they're cheaply made). I could even try something like the acoustic energy ae100 (even iirc they're 'hard to drive'). For me, I could easily buy a speaker for its looks and just live with whatever sound it produces as its signature or character. I think that makes things a bit more interesting. If their sound ever annoyed me, I could try different amp-pairing or whatever but seriously, I don't think any half-decent speaker would sound bad. If i ever felt like getting boring or nerdy for a 'listening session', I could just choose from a combination of amps and speakers I already have. The most fun would come from the experimentation itself. If a song is good, it's good and I'd be more interested in hearing how it sounds with different speakers and amps than trying to find out what it sounded like in the recording studio or how the artist wanted it heard. between the different speakers and amps I have, I'm sure I'll be able to hear different things that I haven't noticed before. Not that these discoveries are worth investing too much time and money into! It's more about the soul and groove to me rather than things like separation (although '3D imaging' can be fun) but then again, maybe I just haven't really heard any good music on a really good system. It looks like something potentially addictive!
I listened to polk r100 a lot, they are obviously better speakers. But they are more expensive, especially r200 which is lot more expensive. But if you have money they are better choice. But there are a lot of similarities in sonic signature between both of them.
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The 12.2 is excellent value, very well built, sounds excellent and genuinely benefits from Biwire configuration. The JBL A170 are similar but the 12.2 are more refined overall. A lot of people compare these with the Polk R200 which is twice the price, less efficient and do not go as low as the 12.2. I have had the 12.2 for 6 month and they did improve as they settled in. It’s not a speaker to judge new, let it burn in and the treble, mid range and bass will improve.
Thanks for this insight, i almost bought them. But i decided 12.1 is a bit budget friendly, so it might be more interesting for more people. But happy you enjoy yours. And thanks for watching.
I had the 12.2 for 3 years and I can say that they are great, have plenty of bass but it is a lazy bass.They are good only for slow music, jazz, blues,hip hop, pop. On rock and alternative rock they suck.
I have the D225 and D12.2, the D225 is my Favorite ❤️, its more warmth, the 12.2 is more clear, i wanna get the 85 soon.
I also look at 85 and super denton for some time now. Thak you so much for watching my review.
Nice video and explanation of your preference for tweeter performance. I would like to make an alternative suggestion for your consideration. Years ago I read a review on what hi-fi on the Dali Spektor 2 and they also gave an alternative pick, Mission LX2. I decided on the LX2 and really enjoy their warm side of neutral musicality. No regrets with that purchase for me as I prefer a laid back mellow presentation with a tweeter that is well behaved with details that are not bright or pushed into the face. Mission still offers the LX2 however it's now in the second iteration, LX2 MK2. If you get a chance to give them a listen you might find them musically interesting with the ports left open.
Cheers!
I really love how you explained (sold them haha) to me. I never heard not even single mission speker, it is an ommission on my side. But one shop near me sell them. I will go at least to demo them to get better acquainted with them. Really thanks a lot for recommendation and thanks a lor for watching this review.
Very nice presentation! i heard people saying the vocals on Elac b5.2 is better than b6.2, i did listen to b5.2 the details and the drums sound so natural, love to hear Dimond 12.1 soon.
Well, no doubt about it, elacs are more neutral, more laid back, and clearer. It is all who what prefers, but you should definitely demo them at least. You might just fall in love.
@@HIFIDaydreaming you mean the diamond's you want me to demo? It is so difficult to have one system/speakers to settle with, that sounds good for all types of music being from classical, Rock, jazz, to hip-hop etc, that is what I'm hunting for :(
@immanuelsuresh7739 That's the pain, some expenisve neutral spekers does kinda remdy that a little bit. But in a more budget friendly price range, there is no one size fits all.
@@HIFIDaydreaming like to see your review on Elac debut 3.0 and comparison soon:)
I have the Dali and they are fantastic for £250 i am hoping to upgrade in the next year.
I tried the 12.1s, and they sounded beautiful. But eventually, I felt they were slightly too laid back for me and sold them.
Well, it is all subjective, how we interpret music. So we need to try a lot of different speakers, to find the "perfect" one for us. Thanks for watching the review, and commenting it is appreciated.
The thing about the Elac debut series is that the mark 2 killed the magic of the original, or at least that's how I found them. The mark 1, specically the debut b5, was truly outstanding and natural sounding with punchy bass and a full midrange. This was the first great budget modern bookshelf speaker I heard.
People seem to mention and praise, a lot 5.2, i really should try them somehow somewhere.
@@HIFIDaydreaming No, it was just the plain old b5. I had the b5.2 and I was not a fan at all.
Give the Denton 80 a try, i liked them over the 85th. Still wonder how the Diamond 12 compare to Diamond 11 and 225. I might try them.
Which one is warmer sounding 80 or 85?
@elmerbais 80 is warmer sounding, 85 had elevated Highs, that i somehow found to be a little bit uncomfortable to my ears. 80s have a more rounded, coherent sound, as if the crossover and drivers are better combined. Bass and Mids on the other hand were not too different from each other. To be fair the Lintons and Dentons seem to have a long Break-in Period, but i sold the 85 after some weeks.
I really want to try super dentons, and denton 85. But that will have to wait a little bit. But, i have been waiting for so long to review any Wharfedale spekers, as they are very impressive comoany at any price level.
@@HIFIDaydreaming
I've had the wharfedale Super Dentons for some time now and apart from the exceptional built quality and elegant retro appearance, they have a larger, broader, peppy and fun sound that has an exceptional bass kick and midrange performance. Treble is lively without being fatiguing. The soundstage is really wide because of the outward facing midrange driver. However imaging and instrument separation isn't all that great. My setup is the topping E70 Velvet and E70 connected to a rega brio to the super dentons with mogami cables.
Price alone isn't necessarily the Achilles heel for honest bass reproduction.
The natural physics of cabinet size is..& can't be faked by electronic manipulation. The seasoned audiophile, if being true, can realize this lack / imbalance right away.
Small cabinets are bass energy compromised.
Small cabinets, on the reverse POV are jewels of Spacial performers.
Independent Subwoofers presents other problems of their own.
Now, that's where price to performance ratios become realized.
*That's why headphones have become so popular!
They present full spectrum sound minus the visceral vibrations of a live performance.
Transmission line towers present the overal best compromise in realistic home music playback. Imho
PS: Expensive headphones & a capable sub can contribute to the home musical fullfillment illusion ?
For economic reasons, i have stayed in stereo hifi lane, as investing in headphone, changing them, and testing them would not be feesable. Haha But I love your comment, it is really insightful. There are few spekers at bookshelf size that can deliver attack and detils and bass. But none can compare to towers regarding size and bass of sound.
@@HIFIDaydreaming I believe It comes down to what price and compromises we're comfortable with to enjoy the results ?
Today's hi-fi equipment has gotten so good to getting great sound no longer has to require a second mortgage. Haha
Also, deep bass reproduction isn't the only deciding factor to speaker buying.
Active speakers can produce surprisingly deep bass for their modest dimensions !
Your video was really insightful. Thanks! I subscribed. A square foot pair of active speakers will probably be my next purchase. I'll wait for your take on their best compromise first! ☝
@@jamiesmith6838 It is that philosophy for everything on this Earth. We must be aware of limitations, compromises, pros and cons. etc. It is that kind of reasonable analytical approach to buying or doing anything, that make us more wiser and mature. Thanks for sub and for watching my friend.
Hi there. Great video. Diamond 12.1 are a great deal in hifi. However I personally feel the polk reserve line R100 and R200 offer more in sonic terms at this price point. Have You had a chance to listen to them personally?
in australia the diamonds are two-thirds the price of the r100
but the ELAC Debut 3.0 DB63-BK can be had for around the price of the diamonds.
@@PlaAwa didn't hear the debut 3. But can vouch that the polk R200 especially has the better sonic presentation over the diamond 12.1 especially in size of soundstage and bass prowess and is worth the extra price. I personally use the R700.
@@agnelroshandsilva3929 I have way too many speakers already and I'm not as fussy as some but if I was to make a purchase, I'd be looking at things like philharmonic BRM, DALI EPICON 2 (in Ruby Macassar) and maybe some Purifi active speakers (with purifi drivers and amps).
At this price point, i don't know if i would get serious about 'bang for buck' or just get something pretty, fun or funky like some colourful encel gelatis or focal chora 806s in the blue or the cream (even though I've heard they're cheaply made). I could even try something like the acoustic energy ae100 (even iirc they're 'hard to drive').
For me, I could easily buy a speaker for its looks and just live with whatever sound it produces as its signature or character. I think that makes things a bit more interesting. If their sound ever annoyed me, I could try different amp-pairing or whatever but seriously, I don't think any half-decent speaker would sound bad.
If i ever felt like getting boring or nerdy for a 'listening session', I could just choose from a combination of amps and speakers I already have. The most fun would come from the experimentation itself. If a song is good, it's good and I'd be more interested in hearing how it sounds with different speakers and amps than trying to find out what it sounded like in the recording studio or how the artist wanted it heard.
between the different speakers and amps I have, I'm sure I'll be able to hear different things that I haven't noticed before. Not that these discoveries are worth investing too much time and money into! It's more about the soul and groove to me rather than things like separation (although '3D imaging' can be fun) but then again, maybe I just haven't really heard any good music on a really good system. It looks like something potentially addictive!
I listened to polk r100 a lot, they are obviously better speakers. But they are more expensive, especially r200 which is lot more expensive. But if you have money they are better choice. But there are a lot of similarities in sonic signature between both of them.