I bought a set of Linton's after your previous review of them and have been soooo happy with the speakers. While the Super Linton is tempting, I am saving up for Dovedales as my next upgrade.
Man, you nailed it, the way you describe it is tempting, since I know the sound of the Lindons and am dying to listening to the Supers, so as to assess them and see if they fit the bill, I love playing loud too, so they make for an upgrade in that department, together with the wider range of ampliefiers they take to fine-tune the end result!!!
Thanks for your excellent and honest review. I have a pair of Lintons and agree with you that there is a certain elusive quality to them that just fills me with joy. Well done.
Thank you Keith for the kind comment, I knew this would be a very important one for a lot of people and took extra time and put even more effort in than usual :)
Terry been waiting for you to drop this review as I’ve been obsessed with the Linton’s for the past couple years or so. Although I haven’t heard them yet I’ve been waiting to purchase cause I figured they would release an updated version soon and here it is, but now not sure how to feel I always wanted to hear that warm British sound people speak of. My local hifi shop sells both I will definitely have to compare now. Thanks really enjoyed this review cheers from British Columbia Canada.✌️
Great review, very informative. I sometimes feel like I’m missing something with the Lintons in my setup, especially early in the listen, but once I switch my brain off and just enjoy the music they can’t be beat. I was having FOMO with the Supers, good to know that I don’t have to rush out snd grab them even though I can’t afford to 😊. Will stick with the Linton 85s for the time being .
crazy rambling lengthy vid, that actually made so much sense. From all the reviews i've watched, and the price of the super, it's really a different speaker all together. I think i'll wait for the Semi-super Lenton. Or the 86th Anniv. Seems like I’m waiting for a bit of an upgrade more than a complete change.
Thank you Terry. Professional & Honest. Seeing the 'new' Quad 303/33 again... The original was my amp during my student years, 55 yrs ago. Nostalgia isn't what it was ;¬D Greetings to you and yours.
I've considered buying the Linton 85th a couple of times, but never did. The Supers have me so tempted to scheme a way to make it happen following the holiday season. I know I don't "need" them but just like the 85th Linton they seem like a more than fair price. At a grand more than the 85th here in the states they still feel like a justifiable asking price given the improvements. Thank you so much for the video, Terry!
A grand more is fair price for the Super's improvements over the 85, when you consider how much it would cost to get GR Research to merely mod the crossovers in a pair of 85s.
@@1324390 looks like the upgrades for the Linton by GR Research (costing about $1K) are nearly exactly what they did to create the Super Linton, and adding the new drivers, a smoother tweeter that doesn't roll off quite as fast, and a better woofer, making the cabinet less resonant, and upgrading the crossover to *almost* do away with that midrange dip between 1KHz and 2KHz. That the Super cost $1K more than the Linton is about right then. I wonder now if the Super give you about 80% of the Dovedale for half the price? Not a bad bargain.
Hi, i agree with you when you're describing lintons as more equilibrated speakers. Personally, i prefer equilibrated and no-fatigue speakers than more dynamic, fast and brilliant ones. So..for 1000 euros more does it justify their purchase? Spectacular review...as always! ❤
You're still the best audio reviewer Terry, with the most knowledge and descriptive ability, wich usually proves pretty comprehensive and accurate upon listening. If I can't hear it in person or in a well made sound demo, your review is the next best thing.
Such a genuine review!!!!! I started with the Lintons and progressed to the Dovedales.....I wonder how you'd compare the Super Lintons to the Dovedales? Your review of the Dovedales made me buy them!! I LOVE the Dovedales
It was almost certainly your video from several years ago that pushed me over the edge to invest in the original Linton, and I am still loving them close to four years later. Based on your review, I tend to think the Supers are a bit too "audiophile" for my kind of listening. In my limited experience, the Lintons just don't sound quite right with a tube amp (though not for lack of me trying). They scale remarkably well with good SS amplification - I'm running mine with a Rega Elicit these days and I feel it's my honest "end game." Great video.
Thanks for the review. I currently own the Lintons’s and have really enjoyed them. The biggest complaint I have heard about them is the roll off on the high end and some folks wishing there was more high end detail. It sounds like the Super Linton’s might be the answer for those people. There is no where within several hours for me to hear any speakers so I just have to take leaps of faith and buy them outright. Not sure if I will “upgrade” but it sounds like if I decided for more high end clarity the Supers would be a good contender. The other pair I’m curious about are the Leak Sandwich 250’s. Maybe someday if you try those you could comment on them vs the Linton family since they are owned by the same company and have the similar mid century stylings.
Excellent nuanced review! You definitely have a way of describing qualities that are difficult to describe. Any chance of a review or comparison with these and the Aura 2?
Thanks for the review, I was wondering if the Supers would be a significant upgrade of my Lintons. Hope was closer to the 770s so very glad you included that comparison. I'm probably off this bandwagon as it doesn't sound like something that I would clearly enjoy better. And I've recently added Auva 100s to the Lintons which, although they cost as much as the speakers and stands, make a very significant improvement on clarity across the board. They could probably make the Supers more organic too. I think I'll wait for some Super sales or open box or something. Or just dream about something else and keep enjoying the Lintons as I pretty much have built a system around them and they are now sounding miles better than what they did when I got them a few years back.
Thank you for reviewing. I own a pair of Linton 85 which I use with a Denon pma 1510 and Pioneer Blu Ray player/Sony Oled. I watch streaming & you tubes . I have a main system where I use Micro Sieki tt , Yamaha as1200 amp , Audiolab cdt/m dac plus . I switch between my 2nd hand Imf tsl50 or Yamaha ns 1000m. All sounding good but a little crazy having 2 pairs of speakers in the room. I m at this stage would like to hear the Super Lintons . Visually they look superb . For sure Ive tried the Lintons in the main system . Plus side relaxing, nice tone Minus side lacks a few thrills . I hoping its a speaker that rivals or even outperforms Rogers, Harbeth, Stirling, Falcon , Graham bbc type speakers . All the best
Excellent detailed review ! Different amplifiers, side by side comparisons, room messurements, sophisticated explanations. I truly enjoyed this review / video 🙂 I wonder where the upgrade in the holographic soundstage from the Super may come from. Any idea ?
The cabinet being so much better so it’s not colouring the sound as much, then the rear chambers for the tweeter and midrange so they sound clearer and then is the speed of the speaker or what’s called hysteresis which is memory. That is reduced massively
Great review, I liked the nicely described listening impressions. On a side note Erin’s Audio corner measured both of these speakers on a kipple. Some insights can be gained from those measurements too. His review is lacking the solid listening impressions you gave.
Ooh, very interesting speaker and review. So, these speakers have just hit the market and you’re already reviewing them! Good stuff. On the ball. Which makes wonder … another ‘retro cool’ speaker, the Mission 750, hit the market in April, yet , no reviews of it … yet. And I mean I’ve scoured the internet for a whole hour and just nobody seems to have reviewed those. Which is a bit weird. It’s been six months. Anyway, since I ended up with GAS over the 750s as a result of being impressed with the esteemed 770s, these Super Linton speakers seem to be worth investigating. Thx. And a review of the 750s will not go amiss.
Hi Terry , thanks for the very enlightening presentation I 'd like to have your opinion on the ''stablemate'' AURA 2 vs Super Linton Greetings from Athens,GR
Well done! Very good and extensive work as in review! :) I was wondering how these might work with Exposure 3510 mono's and 5010 pre.. Not the usual combo price wise I'd assume. But how would that be in a smaller room and also in lower volume listening. I really like that mahogany color there :)
Yes a lot actually, the top end energy its not how you might think its going to sound, because the speaker is not bright, the treble is still a soft dome and its still softer but its the clarity and speed of the whole speaker its different and hard to describe. You can put an amp like the quad before them and they sound laid back and velvety, or on the HiFi Rose they are clear and lightning fast, still not in your face more edge of the seat and and this is my whole review video - how do you define that difference?
I have a pair of Super Lintons on their way to me. I have watched Terry’s great review a couple of times now and I hope with my Denon PMA A110 amp and in my untreated room they give me what I felt, at times, I was missing with my 85th Anniversary Linton’s, namely a bit more openness, a better 3D soundstage and a bit more dynamic attack at lower volumes. In my heavily furnished and carpeted room and with my amp, I am less worried about that treble forwardness referenced in the review. I will find out in a few days time. I also suspect it will take at least 50 hours or so break in to find out!
Hey Terry. Awesome review as always :) I bought Linton 85 just 3 weeks ago and as you mentioned in the video - I can't stop listening. I forgot about audiophile madness and I just enjoy music. I changed from Quad S2 which had ribbon tweeters. Do you think it makes sense to change them to super version? I was hoping that they wouldn't be that different apart from efficiency, realistically 85 vs 88db, which would make sense when I power them with a 15w tube amplifier. Thanks!
Its hard to say, I would suggest listening to them first and then decide especially with a low power tube amp as I didnt test that - I thought they were both 90db sensitivity?
@ Thank you for your answer :) The Lintons were tested in several laboratories and in fact the manufacturer, declaring a nominal impedance of 6 Ω, slightly overstates the sensitivity (90 dB), and in addition incorrectly defines it - as established at a voltage of 2.0 V. With such a voltage we would measure the efficiency of a 4-ohm speaker and it would be only 85 dB. According to Erin's review, who also showed 85 dB Lintons, it appears that the Super version has been significantly improved and now has 88 dB :) Indeed it is best to listen and evaluate for yourself, but I am glad that they are different because I really like the 85s. The only drawback is that in the case of home cinema, more clarity of dialogues at night when listening quietly would be useful. thanks and best regards!
I dont doubt what people have said in that regard but i didnt notice any real world difference, if anything the Linton seemed easier to drive because of how the bass is, however if your under driving them a little their sound will thicken and that might be why at low volumes vocals are a little harder to comprehend. Thats my best guess and the Super sounds more neutral and clear so could suit you better yes.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem You're right, these are just numbers on paper. Quads had a declared 87db and I also didn't notice that Lintons played quieter, quite the opposite. Yes, there may be fewer high tones, but Lintons play with a bigger sound. Another thing is that I listen relatively quiet: 65-85 db. Thanks a lot for your help and review / comparison of Lintons :) //Now, in addition to comparing 85 with Super, I will have to check a few more powerful amplifiers 🤷♂️😅
Hi Terry, Thanks for this in-depth review - I liked the idea of the Lintons, but wanted a bit more clarity & presence (laser-cut oomph & soulfullness) - so I had the Mission 770s instead shortlisted as my next (and maybe final) speakers - but now, maybe not - doh! back to drawing board ... I have a Leema Tucana 2 integrated amp - I know you favourably reviewed the later anniversary lteration of that amp - Do you think the Supers might be a good synergistic match? My music taste is very broad - prog rock, classic rock, dub reggae, minimalist singer songwriter soloists, indie, jazz, alt jazz, afrobeat, electronic, classical etc etc. Home auditions of kit are difficult due to my location, so any advice will be gratefully received 👍
I have the 85 anniversary lintons powered by leak stereo 130 was disappointed initially until I turned the bass control up it made a big difference forget about the direct button N
Not insane I am guessing 85 db average with maybe 100db peaks maybe if the phone app is accurate which it is probably not, it is a lot louder than some people listen at. Its all during the day so no kids in the home etc
Thank you for all your videos. With this video, I feel you have described the Super Lintons as much as one can without actually listening to them in your room. I was considering the B&W 603 S3. I listen to a lot of orchestral music. Any thoughts on which of the Linton, Super Linton and B&W 603 S3 would give me the better concert hall experience?
Would it have been be a fairer description to say the Linton MK2 . Twice the price give or take . The friends who have the Lintons i doubt will upgrade, they are very happy campers . Wonder if wharfedale are aiming for the gap to the Dovedales, which really do sound fabulous .. Thanks for the review Terry im more confused than ever 😅
I think a lot of Linton owners will upgrade but they might also upgrade their systems too to level up to what the Super now allows them to hear where before they couldn’t.
Thanks Terry. This is a brilliant and surprising review, but incredibly interesting. I was expecting you to say they sat somewhere between the original Linton and the Mission for speed and clarity, my eyes almost popped out of my skull when you said it was the other way around! It does sound like my Denon PMA-A110, which has a big warm and lush sound, should be a good match. And even through it is clearly a very different speaker to my Linton 85s I have enjoyed for 4 years, I think I will give them a go. I suspect that the tweeter might soften even more over time? One question - is the mahogany on the Super’s much redder than on the Originals? It looks it.
Yes these are Mahogany, it was so I could have the same colour of Linton and Super to make the side by side easier to see. Yes a big warm amp would be brilliant and yes I was suprised about the sound in relation to the Mission too.
I think the Dovedale will give you all the scale and energy with a more graceful ease and that would probably suit me better. But I have not had them at home yet and I am going to try and get them here early next year
I did yes and I found the tweeter out sounded a bit weird so I ruled that one out. Could just be how they reacted in my room as they quite close to the side walls / acoustics panel.
I think you may have saved me $2500 as I’ve been thinking of the Mission770 for 3 years but would easily consider these now. What are your thoughts of pairing them with the Cambridge CXA81 integrated amp?
The interesting thing about the release of the Supers is that now people are able to speak a bit more objectively about the 2020 version. Would've been interesting if they made Supers non-ported.
A push/ pull el34 based tube amp between 20 -50 amp with both triode and ultra linear mode seems perfect for the Super Lintons. Darko mentioned they are present at low listening levels - late night listening in. triode? Hmmm....
Nice review. The super appears to not be a mk2 but a different speaker altogether. The OG seems like to give you that tube like feeling the new one a better audiophile speaker though technically better at the expense of the musicality of the OG thats landmark.
@PursuitPerfectSystem No, its fine. Everyone will think its a ver 2 by its name and your review is very ckear in describing it as something different but better in many technical areas. Cheers.
How close did you have the Super Lintons to the front wall? @erinsaudiocorner’s measurements suggest that they benefit from being closer to the front wall than the Lintons to get boundary reinforcement of the lower bass. If you had then 2-3 feet from the boundary, that could explain the cooler presentation?
I had them about a metre from the front wall, however in a spot where the corner of the room adds some bass reinforcement I mentioned this in the video - so plenty of deep bass. 2 feet from the front wall and that kills the sound stage depth. so like everything in audio its a trade off. But yes closer to the wall is what most people do and they will be fine hence my suggestion in the video too
Good at lower volumes I think, I didn’t notice any difference through a volume change. Bass maybe would seem less at lower volumes but that is a human hearing situation so the same with all speakers
I've really enjoyed this honest and interesting review. Thanks very much, Terry. I made my mind and was going to buy the Linton + stands for c.€1360 but then the Super Linton came up and for some reason at the shop these were offered to me with a discount. c.€2210 for the Super Linton + stands. I am now lost in a swamp of questions and insecurities. Which one should I go for? I'm far from being an expert audiophile, but I am upgrading my set up and wouldn't mind spending the extra money if the difference is justifiable. I come from owning B&W DM604 s3 (already sold) and my amp is an old Yamaha CA 710. Need the guidance, so I would love to read some of your thoughts :)
@@misterzero8667 I know it's old and simple, although very reliable and I like the vintage look of it. If you had to get a new one to pair it with either the Linton or Super Linton, which one would you go for? Budget €1200 max. Cheers
I live in a small flat. The distance from the front wall to the back wall of the listening room is 3 meters 42 centimeters. I want to buy either the Linton or the Super Linton, but I suspect, due to the room size, a pair of KEF Ls50 Metas would be more suitable. 🤔 What would you advise?
I don't think it is a harsh criticism that this speaker don't image well in the center at 2k€. I noticed that with the original Lintons. Stereo image is paramount when mixing music and I've listened to more affordable speakers such as Monitor Audio Silver 200 that project a tangible central image in between the speakers.
That is not what I said and I think it’s important to clear this up. The central image is perfect. The left to right imaging so sounds that are on the left or the right of the soundstage sometimes sound more like they are coming from the speaker and not the space around the speaker. That is totally different
I am intrigued that you acknowledge to enjoy more the original Lintons in spite that the Supers are more technical, have better bass, more clarity, more liveliness, layered sound stage (even so than the Missions in some regards).. If you say there is a fine line from being forward with vocals with some amplifiers makes me weary for amplifier synergy.
Thats why you should always demo speakers, because the better the speaker the clearer it is this will likely be the case always. That is why I spoke about 4 different ones
I have a large space made from two rooms knocked into one, as many British period homes have. The Lintons depth of soundstage is rather poor, as is the height a little. I wonder if the Supers might address this issue? Quite often when in the kitchen end of the space the 85th Lintons seem far away despite a musical fidelity amp with 220w at 6ohms and a habit of listening ar loud levels........maybe floor standers typically have more 'depth punch' in comparison to (large) stand mounters?
I dont sorry, like I spoke about in the video they are not hard to get a good result, however they might show you the strengths and weaker points of the hifi system more than other speakers do, so maybe you will hear things about the system you couldn't before. Maybe they wont it depends on what your coming from
I 'm wondering if you can get the new Leak 250 in for review. There is some suggestion that these do more of the Mission 770 type sound at a little higher price than the Super Linton. They have not received the same attention these Lintons are getting.
first - any thoughts on why does on Wharfedale heritage speakers tweeter mesh appearing and disappearing again from model to model? denton-super denton-dovedale-super linton? Second - I think proportions of original Lintons(which I have) much more natural:( Third - But I'm impressed of how much crossover is better! I think nearly all extra bucks went there.. Applause! In fact, I myself upgraded Lintons with resistors and capacitors. But not sure that tonal balance still the same. But why are you saying that cabling is better? In what? So thinking of wait till they will be available with discount or even used, to get ones. Purchased my Linton 85s for just 600 bucks with stands in a mint condition this way..
Has the Super Linton just been released? I am trying to get up to speed with some of the current speaker models and come to realize some of them have been out for a few years. I've seen a lot of talk about the Super Linton lately, so I'm guessing they are new...
Amazed and a bit frightened to think these are more revealing than the Mission 770. I love dynamics, especially when played at lower volumes but hoping these aren't Klipsch "shouty".
I didn't say shouty, that its totally different, these are not like that, they need the right gear which I have just made a video about, then with a good subwoofer they are fantastic - video coming for that next
@@PursuitPerfectSystem great to know and thanks! Looking forward to that timely video while these are on special with the stands for $2499 until January 5th. Take care!
People will make the mistake putting gear before these that was ok on the Linton but not good enough for the Super, these need some good gear to sound their best. No measurement on this earth tells you that, you have to test it and listen to find out.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem indeed. This review where you tried three different amps showed that. As you say, the Super are revealing enough to show amp voicing differences, whereas the regular Linton masks those differences to a large degree. Pairing with the right amp will be important. Looking forward to your review where you used a subwoofer with the Super as I'm sure many will be inclined to do. Thank you for all your reviews and audio music enthusiasm. Do please take care of your ears.
I have been making videos for 8 years, imagine trying to find good and different music for each and every one, its not easy so some will be better than others and its the best I can do. I think its an important part of the overall production as its a break for the viewer from me talking, we all need that :).
There must be 15 or 20 new reviews for these speakers on RUclips right now... I have a comparable pair of ADS L780/2 speakers that I would like to A and B with a pair of Supers that already have a lot of hours on them.
Most of the other videos are not reviews the speakers have only been available for about 2 weeks, unless your meaning the original Linton of course there are loads for them.
Hi, i have paired my Linton Heritage 85 with a Musical Fidelity M5si. Before that I had a Yamaha A-S1000, but to my taste the treble was too absent. With the M5si the speakers come to life more in my opinion than with the A-S1000. All this without it becoming tiring for my ears. I can still listen to it for hours. What is your opinion about pairing the Linton Heritage (or this Super Linton) with a Musical Fidelity amplifier? Perhaps it would be fun to try it out?
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I bought a set of Linton's after your previous review of them and have been soooo happy with the speakers. While the Super Linton is tempting, I am saving up for Dovedales as my next upgrade.
Wow! Best honest review of the Supers at the moment. I think the Linton community was waiting for this one! Great Job!!!
Thanks
Man, you nailed it, the way you describe it is tempting, since I know the sound of the Lindons and am dying to listening to the Supers, so as to assess them and see if they fit the bill, I love playing loud too, so they make for an upgrade in that department, together with the wider range of ampliefiers they take to fine-tune the end result!!!
Thanks for your excellent and honest review. I have a pair of Lintons and agree with you that there is a certain elusive quality to them that just fills me with joy. Well done.
Thanks a lot for the Mission 770 conparsion. It was very educating.
I have the missions and love them; I not sure what to do know.
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One of your best reviews Terry, well done.
Thank you Keith for the kind comment, I knew this would be a very important one for a lot of people and took extra time and put even more effort in than usual :)
Brilliant review. Very impressed with how you describe the differences in a way which makes sense :) Thank you.
Brilliant review, throughly absorbing. Your total enthusiasm and knowledge shone through. Well done chap. Cheers
Terry been waiting for you to drop this review as I’ve been obsessed with the Linton’s for the past couple years or so. Although I haven’t heard them yet I’ve been waiting to purchase cause I figured they would release an updated version soon and here it is, but now not sure how to feel I always wanted to hear that warm British sound people speak of. My local hifi shop sells both I will definitely have to compare now. Thanks really enjoyed this review cheers from British Columbia Canada.✌️
The quality of your videos always makes it a pleasure to watch 👌
Thank you appreciate it
Excellent, nuanced, thorough and honest review. Very helpful. Thanks!
Great review, very informative. I sometimes feel like I’m missing something with the Lintons in my setup, especially early in the listen, but once I switch my brain off and just enjoy the music they can’t be beat. I was having FOMO with the Supers, good to know that I don’t have to rush out snd grab them even though I can’t afford to 😊. Will stick with the Linton 85s for the time being .
Another awesome review on awesome speakers! Super Linton's👍🇬🇧. Thank you from across the pond!
crazy rambling lengthy vid, that actually made so much sense. From all the reviews i've watched, and the price of the super, it's really a different speaker all together. I think i'll wait for the Semi-super Lenton. Or the 86th Anniv. Seems like I’m waiting for a bit of an upgrade more than a complete change.
Thank you Terry. Professional & Honest. Seeing the 'new' Quad 303/33 again... The original was my amp during my student years, 55 yrs ago. Nostalgia isn't what it was ;¬D Greetings to you and yours.
I've considered buying the Linton 85th a couple of times, but never did. The Supers have me so tempted to scheme a way to make it happen following the holiday season. I know I don't "need" them but just like the 85th Linton they seem like a more than fair price. At a grand more than the 85th here in the states they still feel like a justifiable asking price given the improvements. Thank you so much for the video, Terry!
A grand more is fair price for the Super's improvements over the 85, when you consider how much it would cost to get GR Research to merely mod the crossovers in a pair of 85s.
@@1324390 GR research crossovers are a scam
Or just keep the 85s stock. No need to mod the crossover hardware.
@@1324390 looks like the upgrades for the Linton by GR Research (costing about $1K) are nearly exactly what they did to create the Super Linton, and adding the new drivers, a smoother tweeter that doesn't roll off quite as fast, and a better woofer, making the cabinet less resonant, and upgrading the crossover to *almost* do away with that midrange dip between 1KHz and 2KHz. That the Super cost $1K more than the Linton is about right then. I wonder now if the Super give you about 80% of the Dovedale for half the price? Not a bad bargain.
Hi, i agree with you when you're describing lintons as more equilibrated speakers. Personally, i prefer equilibrated and no-fatigue speakers than more dynamic, fast and brilliant ones. So..for 1000 euros more does it justify their purchase? Spectacular review...as always! ❤
Fantastic review ,so indepth and detailed ,i look forward to hearing the speakers for myself ,look forward to more great reviews
Very good review Terry! Thanks for sharing.
You're still the best audio reviewer Terry, with the most knowledge and descriptive ability, wich usually proves pretty comprehensive and accurate upon listening. If I can't hear it in person or in a well made sound demo, your review is the next best thing.
Thank you very much William
Got the Linton's. Waiting for the Super Deluxe Linton's.
This was the comparison and review I was looking for. Thank you.
Such a genuine review!!!!! I started with the Lintons and progressed to the Dovedales.....I wonder how you'd compare the Super Lintons to the Dovedales? Your review of the Dovedales made me buy them!! I LOVE the Dovedales
All my reviews are genuine, but thanks for noticing and the kind comment 😀 👍
It was almost certainly your video from several years ago that pushed me over the edge to invest in the original Linton, and I am still loving them close to four years later. Based on your review, I tend to think the Supers are a bit too "audiophile" for my kind of listening. In my limited experience, the Lintons just don't sound quite right with a tube amp (though not for lack of me trying). They scale remarkably well with good SS amplification - I'm running mine with a Rega Elicit these days and I feel it's my honest "end game." Great video.
Thanks for the review. I currently own the Lintons’s and have really enjoyed them. The biggest complaint I have heard about them is the roll off on the high end and some folks wishing there was more high end detail. It sounds like the Super Linton’s might be the answer for those people. There is no where within several hours for me to hear any speakers so I just have to take leaps of faith and buy them outright. Not sure if I will “upgrade” but it sounds like if I decided for more high end clarity the Supers would be a good contender. The other pair I’m curious about are the Leak Sandwich 250’s. Maybe someday if you try those you could comment on them vs the Linton family since they are owned by the same company and have the similar mid century stylings.
Your presentation style is unique.Perfect clear sky .Amazing Sir.
Thank you for the kind comment and for noticing
I think you made perfect sense. Very good descriptions. Well done review. Thanks
Excellent nuanced review! You definitely have a way of describing qualities that are difficult to describe. Any chance of a review or comparison with these and the Aura 2?
You are probably one of the best HiFi reviewer on the YT.
Only probably hahaha thanks
Comprehensive review. Well done!💜
Great review. Very detailed and thorough. Thank you.
Thanks for the review, I was wondering if the Supers would be a significant upgrade of my Lintons. Hope was closer to the 770s so very glad you included that comparison. I'm probably off this bandwagon as it doesn't sound like something that I would clearly enjoy better. And I've recently added Auva 100s to the Lintons which, although they cost as much as the speakers and stands, make a very significant improvement on clarity across the board. They could probably make the Supers more organic too. I think I'll wait for some Super sales or open box or something. Or just dream about something else and keep enjoying the Lintons as I pretty much have built a system around them and they are now sounding miles better than what they did when I got them a few years back.
My very first speakers I ever owned in late 70s, were the Wharfedale E50.
Excellent review, Terry. Thanks 👍
Thank you for reviewing. I own a pair of Linton 85 which I use with a Denon pma 1510 and Pioneer Blu Ray player/Sony Oled. I watch streaming & you tubes . I have a main system where I use Micro Sieki tt , Yamaha as1200 amp , Audiolab cdt/m dac plus . I switch between my 2nd hand Imf tsl50 or Yamaha ns 1000m. All sounding good but a little crazy having 2 pairs of speakers in the room. I m at this stage would like to hear the Super Lintons . Visually they look superb . For sure Ive tried the Lintons in the main system . Plus side relaxing, nice tone Minus side lacks a few thrills . I hoping its a speaker that rivals or even outperforms Rogers, Harbeth, Stirling, Falcon , Graham bbc type speakers . All the best
Excellent detailed review ! Different amplifiers, side by side comparisons, room messurements, sophisticated explanations. I truly enjoyed this review / video 🙂 I wonder where the upgrade in the holographic soundstage from the Super may come from. Any idea ?
The cabinet being so much better so it’s not colouring the sound as much, then the rear chambers for the tweeter and midrange so they sound clearer and then is the speed of the speaker or what’s called hysteresis which is memory. That is reduced massively
Nice review. Look forward to the quad review. I like the look of set
Working on it now, its my next project
Terry, very nice review.
Great video appreciate your work.
Thank you, appreciate the kind comment
Nice review as always mate and aye i would also be playing some DnB through these to test them out , some Good Looking / Looking Good recs stuff.
Thanks for the insights.
Great review, I liked the nicely described listening impressions.
On a side note Erin’s Audio corner measured both of these speakers on a kipple. Some insights can be gained from those measurements too. His review is lacking the solid listening impressions you gave.
What's a kipple?
@d.Cog420 it's an accessory for bras.
Ooh, very interesting speaker and review. So, these speakers have just hit the market and you’re already reviewing them! Good stuff. On the ball. Which makes wonder … another ‘retro cool’ speaker, the Mission 750, hit the market in April, yet , no reviews of it … yet. And I mean I’ve scoured the internet for a whole hour and just nobody seems to have reviewed those. Which is a bit weird. It’s been six months. Anyway, since I ended up with GAS over the 750s as a result of being impressed with the esteemed 770s, these Super Linton speakers seem to be worth investigating. Thx. And a review of the 750s will not go amiss.
Hi Terry , thanks for the very enlightening presentation I 'd like to have your opinion on the ''stablemate'' AURA 2 vs Super Linton Greetings from Athens,GR
Well done! Very good and extensive work as in review! :)
I was wondering how these might work with Exposure 3510 mono's and 5010 pre.. Not the usual combo price wise I'd assume. But how would that be in a smaller room and also in lower volume listening. I really like that mahogany color there :)
Very nice review 👍thanks
Thank you George
I love the Super the Scale Audio is next Lv
What do you mean by scale audio?
Good review, Would love to see psychoacoustic smoothing and 20-20 in your room. Love my GIK room.
What do you mean I don’t understand?
They mean an in room measurement with REW with a specific smoothing applied showing 20Hz to 20KHz
Nice job. I don’t see how anyone can do better than that. The 3 way vs 2 way as well.
Thank you very much, appreciate it.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem
Is Harbeth not better?
Great review! I wonder how they compare to the Revival Audio Atalante 5's. Please test those Terry 😊
I reviewed them about 18 months ago they are a calibre up of speaker in a lot of ways as you would expect for over twice the money
@PursuitPerfectSystem Oops sorry I must have forgotten about it. Or I could have looked it up, my bad.
Interesting review and a great challenge for the higher priced Mission. Did you try changing the toe in adjusting the top end energy?
Yes a lot actually, the top end energy its not how you might think its going to sound, because the speaker is not bright, the treble is still a soft dome and its still softer but its the clarity and speed of the whole speaker its different and hard to describe. You can put an amp like the quad before them and they sound laid back and velvety, or on the HiFi Rose they are clear and lightning fast, still not in your face more edge of the seat and and this is my whole review video - how do you define that difference?
I have a pair of Super Lintons on their way to me. I have watched Terry’s great review a couple of times now and I hope with my Denon PMA A110 amp and in my untreated room they give me what I felt, at times, I was missing with my 85th Anniversary Linton’s, namely a bit more openness, a better 3D soundstage and a bit more dynamic attack at lower volumes. In my heavily furnished and carpeted room and with my amp, I am less worried about that treble forwardness referenced in the review. I will find out in a few days time. I also suspect it will take at least 50 hours or so break in to find out!
I think you are going to be good, been doing a lot more with the Supers this week
@ good to hear!
I'm pleased for you. Looking forward to yr feedback
Want this speaker, but hating the $700 USD price increase. It’s really $1k higher if you get the typical Linton 85th sale price.
Hey Terry. Awesome review as always :)
I bought Linton 85 just 3 weeks ago and as you mentioned in the video - I can't stop listening. I forgot about audiophile madness and I just enjoy music. I changed from Quad S2 which had ribbon tweeters. Do you think it makes sense to change them to super version? I was hoping that they wouldn't be that different apart from efficiency, realistically 85 vs 88db, which would make sense when I power them with a 15w tube amplifier. Thanks!
Its hard to say, I would suggest listening to them first and then decide especially with a low power tube amp as I didnt test that - I thought they were both 90db sensitivity?
@ Thank you for your answer :)
The Lintons were tested in several laboratories and in fact the manufacturer, declaring a nominal impedance of 6 Ω, slightly overstates the sensitivity (90 dB), and in addition incorrectly defines it - as established at a voltage of 2.0 V. With such a voltage we would measure the efficiency of a 4-ohm speaker and it would be only 85 dB.
According to Erin's review, who also showed 85 dB Lintons, it appears that the Super version has been significantly improved and now has 88 dB :)
Indeed it is best to listen and evaluate for yourself, but I am glad that they are different because I really like the 85s. The only drawback is that in the case of home cinema, more clarity of dialogues at night when listening quietly would be useful.
thanks and best regards!
I dont doubt what people have said in that regard but i didnt notice any real world difference, if anything the Linton seemed easier to drive because of how the bass is, however if your under driving them a little their sound will thicken and that might be why at low volumes vocals are a little harder to comprehend. Thats my best guess and the Super sounds more neutral and clear so could suit you better yes.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem
You're right, these are just numbers on paper.
Quads had a declared 87db and I also didn't notice that Lintons played quieter, quite the opposite. Yes, there may be fewer high tones, but Lintons play with a bigger sound.
Another thing is that I listen relatively quiet: 65-85 db.
Thanks a lot for your help and review / comparison of Lintons :)
//Now, in addition to comparing 85 with Super, I will have to check a few more powerful amplifiers 🤷♂️😅
Hi Terry,
Thanks for this in-depth review - I liked the idea of the Lintons, but wanted a bit more clarity & presence (laser-cut oomph & soulfullness) - so I had the Mission 770s instead shortlisted as my next (and maybe final) speakers - but now, maybe not - doh! back to drawing board ...
I have a Leema Tucana 2 integrated amp - I know you favourably reviewed the later anniversary lteration of that amp - Do you think the Supers might be a good synergistic match?
My music taste is very broad - prog rock, classic rock, dub reggae, minimalist singer songwriter soloists, indie, jazz, alt jazz, afrobeat, electronic, classical etc etc.
Home auditions of kit are difficult due to my location, so any advice will be gratefully received 👍
I have the linton 85 I added a rel 5ti and Bingo it did the trick amp is a rega elex 4
I have the 85 anniversary lintons powered by leak stereo 130 was disappointed initially until I turned the bass control up it made a big difference forget about the direct button
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You might have mentioned this elsewhere but how loud are we talking in db Terry when you say you were listening loud?
Not insane I am guessing 85 db average with maybe 100db peaks maybe if the phone app is accurate which it is probably not, it is a lot louder than some people listen at. Its all during the day so no kids in the home etc
Thank you for all your videos. With this video, I feel you have described the Super Lintons as much as one can without actually listening to them in your room. I was considering the B&W 603 S3. I listen to a lot of orchestral music. Any thoughts on which of the Linton, Super Linton and B&W 603 S3 would give me the better concert hall experience?
Would it have been be a fairer description to say the Linton MK2 . Twice the price give or take . The friends who have the Lintons i doubt will upgrade, they are very happy campers .
Wonder if wharfedale are aiming for the gap to the Dovedales, which really do sound fabulous ..
Thanks for the review Terry im more confused than ever 😅
I think a lot of Linton owners will upgrade but they might also upgrade their systems too to level up to what the Super now allows them to hear where before they couldn’t.
Thanks Terry. This is a brilliant and surprising review, but incredibly interesting. I was expecting you to say they sat somewhere between the original Linton and the Mission for speed and clarity, my eyes almost popped out of my skull when you said it was the other way around!
It does sound like my Denon PMA-A110, which has a big warm and lush sound, should be a good match. And even through it is clearly a very different speaker to my Linton 85s I have enjoyed for 4 years, I think I will give them a go. I suspect that the tweeter might soften even more over time?
One question - is the mahogany on the Super’s much redder than on the Originals? It looks it.
Yes these are Mahogany, it was so I could have the same colour of Linton and Super to make the side by side easier to see. Yes a big warm amp would be brilliant and yes I was suprised about the sound in relation to the Mission too.
@ thanks Terry. Your reply is much appreciated and congrats again for the review. People will be watching this for years!
Thanks for fantastic review.If we do not care the prices which one would you choose ? The new Dovedale or super Linton?
I think the Dovedale will give you all the scale and energy with a more graceful ease and that would probably suit me better. But I have not had them at home yet and I am going to try and get them here early next year
I would love a review on the Dovedale, hope you get them soon!
Terry. Do you plan to review the Radient acoustic 6.2
speaker - I wish you do .
Sorry no plans at the moment, they have not reached out to me or anything like that. Thanks for the reco
Did you try them with the tweeters inwards and outwards and if you did, were there any differences in sound?
I did yes and I found the tweeter out sounded a bit weird so I ruled that one out. Could just be how they reacted in my room as they quite close to the side walls / acoustics panel.
I think you may have saved me $2500 as I’ve been thinking of the Mission770 for 3 years but would easily consider these now. What are your thoughts of pairing them with the Cambridge CXA81 integrated amp?
Being honest I think you would want a lot more amp than that for the Missions that might help you.
Hows the soundstage? Donyou get that 3d holographic soundstage? And how deep do these go?
The interesting thing about the release of the Supers is that now people are able to speak a bit more objectively about the 2020 version. Would've been interesting if they made Supers non-ported.
I just bought the Wharfedale Aura 2 and would love to see how they compare to the Super Linton
I would love to see this as well. How do you like your Auras?
A push/ pull el34 based tube amp between 20 -50 amp with both triode and ultra linear mode seems perfect for the Super Lintons. Darko mentioned they are present at low listening levels - late night listening in. triode? Hmmm....
I love them with my R8
Nice review. The super appears to not be a mk2 but a different speaker altogether. The OG seems like to give you that tube like feeling the new one a better audiophile speaker though technically better at the expense of the musicality of the OG thats landmark.
It’s not a mk2 it is a different speaker and both will be available. I realised I didn’t make that clear sorry
@PursuitPerfectSystem No, its fine. Everyone will think its a ver 2 by its name and your review is very ckear in describing it as something different but better in many technical areas. Cheers.
what about an old school amp with Supers? (Like my Marantz 2230b)
really no idea sorry
How close did you have the Super Lintons to the front wall? @erinsaudiocorner’s measurements suggest that they benefit from being closer to the front wall than the Lintons to get boundary reinforcement of the lower bass. If you had then 2-3 feet from the boundary, that could explain the cooler presentation?
I had them about a metre from the front wall, however in a spot where the corner of the room adds some bass reinforcement I mentioned this in the video - so plenty of deep bass. 2 feet from the front wall and that kills the sound stage depth. so like everything in audio its a trade off. But yes closer to the wall is what most people do and they will be fine hence my suggestion in the video too
Understood. Thank you.
Can you say something about listen at lower volumes? Thanks.
Good at lower volumes I think, I didn’t notice any difference through a volume change. Bass maybe would seem less at lower volumes but that is a human hearing situation so the same with all speakers
Waiting for the Super Duper pair
Are the feet of the stands adjustable? My floor isn’t perfectly flat and I’d rather not have to use a folded up beer coaster to stop them rocking!
Yes the stands have adjustable spikes
For those living in Italy and familiar with the mods of the "old" Linton implemented by Piergiorgio Levorato, it sounds like a bit of a deja-vú.
i like how you love to listen to a bit of drum n bizzle.
Yeah I listen to all sorts, I dont care what genre it is, if it makes me smile its gets spun :)
How do they compete to the Dovedale?
Thats on my agenda to look at, early next year hopefully
I've really enjoyed this honest and interesting review. Thanks very much, Terry. I made my mind and was going to buy the Linton + stands for c.€1360 but then the Super Linton came up and for some reason at the shop these were offered to me with a discount. c.€2210 for the Super Linton + stands. I am now lost in a swamp of questions and insecurities. Which one should I go for? I'm far from being an expert audiophile, but I am upgrading my set up and wouldn't mind spending the extra money if the difference is justifiable. I come from owning B&W DM604 s3 (already sold) and my amp is an old Yamaha CA 710. Need the guidance, so I would love to read some of your thoughts :)
Best to book a demo (home) of them and decide for yourself, there is no way I can answer that for you sorry
Get a better amp first
@@misterzero8667 I know it's old and simple, although very reliable and I like the vintage look of it. If you had to get a new one to pair it with either the Linton or Super Linton, which one would you go for? Budget €1200 max. Cheers
I live in a small flat. The distance from the front wall to the back wall of the listening room is 3 meters 42 centimeters. I want to buy either the Linton or the Super Linton, but I suspect, due to the room size, a pair of KEF Ls50 Metas would be more suitable. 🤔 What would you advise?
Sir how does it compare to the Klipsch Cornwall 4
No idea sorry I cant say
I don't think it is a harsh criticism that this speaker don't image well in the center at 2k€. I noticed that with the original Lintons. Stereo image is paramount when mixing music and I've listened to more affordable speakers such as Monitor Audio Silver 200 that project a tangible central image in between the speakers.
That is not what I said and I think it’s important to clear this up. The central image is perfect. The left to right imaging so sounds that are on the left or the right of the soundstage sometimes sound more like they are coming from the speaker and not the space around the speaker. That is totally different
I am intrigued that you acknowledge to enjoy more the original Lintons in spite that the Supers are more technical, have better bass, more clarity, more liveliness, layered sound stage (even so than the Missions in some regards).. If you say there is a fine line from being forward with vocals with some amplifiers makes me weary for amplifier synergy.
Thats why you should always demo speakers, because the better the speaker the clearer it is this will likely be the case always. That is why I spoke about 4 different ones
I have a large space made from two rooms knocked into one, as many British period homes have. The Lintons depth of soundstage is rather poor, as is the height a little. I wonder if the Supers might address this issue? Quite often when in the kitchen end of the space the 85th Lintons seem far away despite a musical fidelity amp with 220w at 6ohms and a habit of listening ar loud levels........maybe floor standers typically have more 'depth punch' in comparison to (large) stand mounters?
Are the Super Linton made in England?
No they are made in China
Is it worth the extra 1000 dollars? I have a set of the regular lintons and they sound awesome.
Wait until you can hear them then decide for yourself
There is a $1k difference between Lintons and Super right now. I am wondering if it is worth it?
Do you have any thoughts on running them with older exposure gear? iv power, ix psu, vii pre amp, thanks
I dont sorry, like I spoke about in the video they are not hard to get a good result, however they might show you the strengths and weaker points of the hifi system more than other speakers do, so maybe you will hear things about the system you couldn't before. Maybe they wont it depends on what your coming from
@@PursuitPerfectSystem thanks, that is helpful, worth investigating more!
I 'm wondering if you can get the new Leak 250 in for review. There is some suggestion that these do more of the Mission 770 type sound at a little higher price than the Super Linton. They have not received the same attention these Lintons are getting.
first - any thoughts on why does on Wharfedale heritage speakers tweeter mesh appearing and disappearing again from model to model? denton-super denton-dovedale-super linton?
Second - I think proportions of original Lintons(which I have) much more natural:(
Third - But I'm impressed of how much crossover is better! I think nearly all extra bucks went there.. Applause! In fact, I myself upgraded Lintons with resistors and capacitors. But not sure that tonal balance still the same. But why are you saying that cabling is better? In what?
So thinking of wait till they will be available with discount or even used, to get ones. Purchased my Linton 85s for just 600 bucks with stands in a mint condition this way..
Has the Super Linton just been released? I am trying to get up to speed with some of the current speaker models and come to realize some of them have been out for a few years. I've seen a lot of talk about the Super Linton lately, so I'm guessing they are new...
Yes the Super Linton was released about two weeks ago and the Linton back in 2020
why did you get rid of your ref 3 kefs? do you no longer like kef?
Amazed and a bit frightened to think these are more revealing than the Mission 770. I love dynamics, especially when played at lower volumes but hoping these aren't Klipsch "shouty".
I didn't say shouty, that its totally different, these are not like that, they need the right gear which I have just made a video about, then with a good subwoofer they are fantastic - video coming for that next
@@PursuitPerfectSystem great to know and thanks! Looking forward to that timely video while these are on special with the stands for $2499 until January 5th. Take care!
People will make the mistake putting gear before these that was ok on the Linton but not good enough for the Super, these need some good gear to sound their best. No measurement on this earth tells you that, you have to test it and listen to find out.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem indeed. This review where you tried three different amps showed that. As you say, the Super are revealing enough to show amp voicing differences, whereas the regular Linton masks those differences to a large degree. Pairing with the right amp will be important. Looking forward to your review where you used a subwoofer with the Super as I'm sure many will be inclined to do. Thank you for all your reviews and audio music enthusiasm. Do please take care of your ears.
These would look great in oak and light colored grills.
Like a Klipsch haha - they do come in Oak and black
Decade !! .. I had some of them in 1980 !!!
Yes very good point :). Thats before I was born mental
great video as always, but what's with the weird music? don't need it
I have been making videos for 8 years, imagine trying to find good and different music for each and every one, its not easy so some will be better than others and its the best I can do. I think its an important part of the overall production as its a break for the viewer from me talking, we all need that :).
Please compare golden ear brx
There must be 15 or 20 new reviews for these speakers on RUclips right now... I have a comparable pair of ADS L780/2 speakers that I would like to A and B with a pair of Supers that already have a lot of hours on them.
Most of the other videos are not reviews the speakers have only been available for about 2 weeks, unless your meaning the original Linton of course there are loads for them.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem No, I am referring to the brand new speakers just like the ones you featured.
Hi, i have paired my Linton Heritage 85 with a Musical Fidelity M5si. Before that I had a Yamaha A-S1000, but to my taste the treble was too absent.
With the M5si the speakers come to life more in my opinion than with the A-S1000. All this without it becoming tiring for my ears. I can still listen to it for hours.
What is your opinion about pairing the Linton Heritage (or this Super Linton) with a Musical Fidelity amplifier? Perhaps it would be fun to try it out?
We need comparison kef r3 vs super linton
Someone will do that I am sure, it won’t be me sorry