NTTD honestly has me reflecting negativity on the Craig era as a whole. It goes without saying that Daniel is fantastic in the role, and Casino Royale is a masterpiece, but by the end the emotional baggage of this era was just too much. Looking back now, I think the likes of License to Kill and/or Goldeneye are the template for how to give Bond some emotional stakes in the story, without getting too bogged down by it.
Licence to Kill, a film that I don't think works anywhere as well as this one, is a fascinating point of comparison. In its day it was also hugely controversial, provoking similar questions like, "Can you do that?", "Do I wanna see that here?", "Do I like feeling this way?", "Is this even a Bond film?" and so on.
@K F It's no surprise that NTTD and TWINE are among my favourite Bond films. That love/betrayal dynamic is something I'm enthralled by not just in this series but across all romantic thrillers - Thomas Crown, Entrapment, Inception, it's even a huge part of The Favourite with Mrs. Daniel Craig herself.
@@richardweddle3408 really it wasn’t and I hated it and I’ve been introduced to James Bond by my mom and by my grandmother through Sean Connery think Sean Connery would be pissed off beyond belief and so would more because you don’t kill off the golden goose you just don’t and for Daniel Craig to actually be able to have a say on how Bon dies or goes out what the fuck was he thinking sorry my cursing, but that’s what I think because there’s again you don’t kill off the golden goose
I suspect Roger Might have been considered at one stage but I can see why they didn't as he passed away a while before it came out [in 2017]. As for Connery, bare in mind the film was 'locked' for release in early 2020 and he passed away that autumn. By all accounts the film wasn't altered after the April 2020 postponement so they couldn't include it even if they wanted to.
@@richardweddle3408 Given some of the films they appeared in over the years [such as Connery-The Avengers, Moore-Bullseye] I doubt they'd turn there noses up at NTTD at all.
Other then Casino Royale - all of Craig's films were so convoluted and ridculous that they all ran out of steam and killing Bond would leave the late Cubby Broccoli turning in his grave
I had the idea that I would come to accept this film the more I watched it....but I just can't bring myself to sit through it a fourth time just yet. A thoroughly miserable experience.
Sitting through it three times is amazing - once is the most I can manage so far. I love the scenes with Paloma and Primo, but everything else is a slog.
Even without the ending, the Bond movies are hard to get through because they are getting close to three hours long. That plus the downer, broodiness of the Craig movies doesn't help either.
I was pretty excited to purchase it when it came out for home release, but have only seen it once (and then rewatched the opening chase a few times). Not really a fun film to rewatch in its entirety.
Not a fun film to watch at all, the first and only time for me was cringeworthy, depressing, annoying and baffling all at the same time. How do you forget how to make James Bond movies? Barbara and MGW have been working on them since the 80s and suddenly they can't even animate a gunbarrel properly, are putting weird and pointless and even downright pretentious quotes before the movie starts, systematically killing off every character including James Bond himself, making Blofeld his brother, making him fall in love and quit over nothing, some totally unlikeable, dull and annoying Bond girl he's literally just met, making Bond forget how contraception works just before the massively contrived death, ruining every beloved trope from just wringing each one through the mangle over and over (DB5, martinis etc etc)... M will be his dad next, Q his gay cousin, Moneypenny he's already now slept with even though one of the whole points of her character was that she never actually got with him... They're also 100% now contriving and forcing a black casting since NTTD only makes any sense whatsoever if it was a statement of killing off white Bond, basically. It'll be black Bond, gay Q, lesbian Moneypenny, Indian M, asian Bill Tanner, trans Felix Leiter, gender fluid Bond girls or Bond boys...what am I missing from the new contrived Hollywood checklist for billionaire white producers to desperately try and show off how enlightened and down with the kids they are?
For me it's not James Bond who died. It's Daniel Craig's Bond. Craig's Bond is for me like Superman Red Son or Thomas Wayne Batman from Flashpoint. His whole era is like a twisted mirror universe version of the orignal character.
Well, I hope you're getting ready for black gender fluid gay trans James Bond who insists on they/them pronouns, because that's obviously what they're now contriving away at. M: Where's Jay Bond at, man? Moneypenny: They're in their office. M: Call them in now, bruv!! Moneypenny: Why are you sounding so angry and unprofessional...and like a teenager...? M: Becuz am down wiv da kids innit! Gotta make every scene a big angry broodin' drama fest. Also, I is Jay Bond's dad by the way!
I know that killing off the main character is the new thing these days, I think killing off Craig’s bond was the way to go for this bond. If it had happened in brosnan’s tenure or Moore’s, it would’ve pisses off A LOT more people because it wouldn’t fit with their bonds.
Before I took Kathy to NTTD I had her see all the previous Craig flicks so she wouldn’t get lost. After SPECTRE she was calling the story arc as quite convoluted, especially the brother angle. She also didn’t feel the on screen chemistry was all that great with Madeline. Anyhow at the end of NTTD she kind of said “What the heck was that?” She said it was definitely NOT a Bond film. Contrast that with how we left Top Gun Maverick. At the end of that movie she remarked the difference of how everyone felt when the credits rolled. Claps and cheers. That is how you should leave a Bond flick. Not mourning the death of one of your heroes.
But they didn't kill James Bond. They killed off some short, fugly Russian-looking henchman guy with no charm or charisma whatsoever who was desperately trying to act like James Bond... Seriously, Daniel Craig isn't even a particularly good actor. Never understood why so many thought he was some amazing actor. Martin Campbell squeezed some drops out of him with his hardcore directing style and professionalism, but Craig is incredibly dull, 2-dimensional and wooden. Stiff, awkward and perpetually miserable to boot. He looks like some chav's dad desperately pretending to be James Bond. Even his swaggering walk is phoned in, how do you phone in just walking??
One reason I hated SPECTRE was because they reduced the criminal organization from a mysterious, powerful organization into a Mickey Mouse organization
I tried to watch this movie but I couldn't stand it. The script and premise are as uninteresting as the characters. One of the biggest problems with the "Craig era" is that the characters lack any charisma, especially Craig, who is himself the epitome of the dull man. The script does its best to create empathy and forge feelings in the audience, with tacky and exaggerated scenes. A complete disaster.
I wish I found this channel earlier. I love all these discussions. I absolutely hated the Daniel Craig movies when I was younger funnily enough now it is my favourite saga.
Amazon prime has the Sean Connery Bond movies available. Those movies make SPECRE look like a legit bad guy organization. That version of Ernest Von Blofeld played by Donald Pleasence, was more entertaining than the one played by Christopher Waltz (who is a good actor though).
Really in the author, Ian Fleming would be rolling in his grave right now. If he knew about what they did is disrespectful and in my opinion, it’s cultural genocide. You don’t do that it’s kind of like what happened in Star Wars.
Why do you guys avoid addressing the ELEPHANT in the room? Neal Purvis, Paul Haggis and Robert Wade , the writers of all these dumpster fires, after Casino, should have been axed. If we would have replaced them back then, maybe we could have had a better outcome in the end, without having to sacrifice James Bond. The producers are either too lazy to get rid of them or too afraid of going in a different direction without them.
I agree.. Casino was the only good Craig film really.. Skyfall I think is overrated.. I the rest I can leave honestly. Bond is meant to be an adventure with some fun.. Painfully serious isn't what we want.. Maybe for a film... For 5 in a row.. Nah.. I also generally dislike this continued plot across films either.. I can remove Craig's films from the overall Bond films and not miss them.. Including Casino.. Give me Bond 1-20 that's Bond.. Craig was never truly Bond to me.. He didn't look the part he didn't carry himself right.. He lacked the gentlemanly charm.. I want a return to real missions and fun, also misogyny is a core part of the character it needs to be present without trying to make some judgement on it.. Very bored of this modern male on film.. Unappealing is an understatement.
Bond dying is not the issue. The death wasn’t earned by the film, either emotionally or in terms of plot - it feels tacked on because that was a decision made long ago.
Sean Connery used to enjoy being a secret agent. Daniel Craig looks like someone who doesn't want to do it but is still doing it. Casino Royale is the perfect Bond movie and the best of DC. It had all Bond formulas in a perfect proportion. CR looks old and new both at same time. My dad used to be a huge Bond fan and he just was disappointed after watching Nttd. I think the production making Bond more politically correct was the biggest mistake.
@@rossmccay Bond is meant to be a nicer anti Hero. He is meant to be someone who uses women to gain his milestones in a mission. He is someone who needs to kill people cold heartedly without even flinching. Humanising himself a little is good but making him soft is not
@@emptyblank099aI wouldn't use the word fun for ANY of Craig's Bond's. As a film it was OK as a Bond film, it just wasn't. But hey, glad you enjoyed it.
SPECTRE and NO TIME TO DIE share many of the same shortcomings -- clumsy storytelling, villains that don't quite rise to the level of classic Bond baddies, and horrible, completely unmemorable title songs. First and foremost, however, both pictures are undone by climaxes they haven't really earned, and this is due to Bond's sudden and inexplicable devotion to the Madeleine Swann character. While there has been no shortage of memorable Bond Girls over the years, it was never necessary to explain why the best of them -- Tracey, Vesper, and Tatiana -- managed to become so important to Bond. As a deadly assassin, Bond had conditioned himself to keep his feelings in check, for to do otherwise would expose a vulnerability to his enemies. We can understand why Bond fell for Tracey and Vesper; his courtship with those women felt natural, but his rushed infatuation with Madeleine seems forced and unearned, a plot point designed to advance the story from point A to point B. The Craig films produced some memorable Bond Girls, but I would have to place Madeleine near the bottom of the list, and that's a real problem when you're hoping to send Bond off in the biggest emotional flourish of the series. It's not even that Seydoux is particularly bad in the role -- the character simply wasn't anything special to begin with, and Bond actually seems to have better chemistry with Nomi, Paloma, or even Moneypenny, and that shouldn't be the case considering the stakes the story has set up...
It would have been cool if they did something like this in Craig's fourth outing as Bond. Pulled like a Sherlock Holmes thing where he dies and then bring him back for his last outing somehow. This just left me feeling sad and empty leaving the theatre though. Craig was just sort of a depressing Bond for me. His movies played the drama a bit too much. Casino Royale was terrific but I think that was more because of the script, locations, and writing. In Skyfall which was good too they always made him out to be like this out of touch old man even though he was only in his third film. Plus, there was barely any sex in any of the Craig Bond films. They tried to make him into this one woman, almost lovesick type guy when that is not the character. Bond is a handsome bachelor who has a very dangerous job. He enjoys sleeping around with beautiful women because he could die at any moment and is going to enjoy himself when he can. So he sleeps around and enjoys good booze and nice clothes and fine dining and fancy cars and gadgets. And there is nothing wrong with that. I just don't agree with killing Bond. I guess they were trying to be dark and edgy but I don't really want that from my Bond. I want pure escapist fun like Octopussy, Goldfinger, or the Spy Who Loved Me. I don't feel very good about the future of Bond at this point. The best we can hope is they decide to go the route of Top Gun: Maverick and make the next series an old school crowd pleaser with no woke agenda....but I doubt that will happen.
@@STONESGAM I've known older - much older - women who were really attracted to Sean Connery. Those females didn't seem to mind what "Bond" did for a living.
It was a great film, that ended as a fitting end to the Craig era. The brilliance of Bond is there is an actor perfect for any mood. You want silly? Moore. Gritty? Craig etc
agreed! The best part of No Time to Die is Craig is now gone...Henry Cavill, Barb. Let's bring back the tall, suave, clever sophisticated 007 or just retire the series.
I genuinely still enjoy the film but it is the last Bond film I talked to my dad about before he passed so it does make me sad in that aspect. Now we need the Joe/Scott discussion! Lol, but still great talk with you two
Wow, that's sad - your last James Bond conversation with your Dad. I was so surprised at myself, crying at the end of this film - because James Bond died. I hadn't quite realized just how pervasive this person had been a part of my entire life. I can understand how your Dad may have been a bit sad, learning that toward the end of his life, a film & book character that had probably given him a lot of joy and fun throughout his life was now 'dead' (and didn't really need to be).
@@MrModel--CAPTURED-ON-FILM yeah my Dad was a life long Bond fan, he saw Dr. No in theaters when he was 11. To be honest I'm just glad he did get to see NTTD before he passed because with all the delays the film had I was worried that he wasn't going to last long enough to even see the film. My dad was actually ok with the ending when it pertained to Daniel Craig's run but he also was anxious to see who would be cast as Bond next. This series is something near and dear because it's what we bonded (no pun intended) over. Thanks for your comment!
Daniel Caig era was almost a total disaster. The first 3 movies(2006, 2008, 2012.) were tolerable. But a whole era(2006-2021) was so damn different from anything before. This massive depression. Bond was like a psychopath, not a gentleman-agent. And I was particularly disturbed by the fact that all of Craig's films were connected to each other! By the way, I actually liked in 2012 presumably a cool independent Raoul Silva character in "Skyfall". But what later turned out? He was just a Blofeld's henchman, nothing more... Remember what Blofeld said in 2015? "I was behind everything!". And Blofeld turned out to be Bond's stepbrother? WTF!?!?!? IT JUST SUCKS!!! What a terrible scenario! NTTD was no better either. Bond was now a family man. Can you imagine Connery making breakfast for his daughter? Or Moore? Or Dalton? Such a crappy move by the filmmakers. And Bond's death. That was the last straw for me. By the way, in the last interview I saw, Michael and Barbara showed absolutely zero interest in continuing with the franchise. So, maybe the death of Craig's Bond really was the end of the series? Anyway, my advise to the producers is this: Quickly back to glamorous/fun/spectacular Bond! Like "TSWLM"(1977) & "Moonraker"(1979)! Otherwise, you'll be screwed! The audience will not survive another disaster! Both "Spectre"(2015) and "NTTD"(2021) were the worst Bond films ever!!!
They were going for the big dramatic ending and that may have worked (for some) at the time but in time it looks a horrible decision. The beauty of Bond movies is their re-watchability and I cannot think of a Bond I’d want to rewatch less than NTTD-and a lot of that has to do with that end.
" I cannot think of a Bond I’d want to rewatch less than NTTD" Well, Spectre is just as bad for me, but yeah. I never in my life thought I'd ever be able to say with total conviction that I would honestly rather be forced to watch A View to a Kill, Diamonds Are Forever and Die Another Day back to back than be made to rewatch Spectre and/or NTTD! And that isn't even a "woke" complaint or something, Spectre wasn't "woke" at all (like Craigbond just forcing himself on the wife of a guy he just shot and who seconds before slapped him - I even find that worse than the notorious Goldfinger hay barn or Thunderball steam room scenes) just bad and pretentious and dull.
Spoilers for "No Time to Die": While I don't think the ending is perfect by any means as I think there are some unpolished aspects to it, like I think there should have been more a rushed after thought as I think there should have been more of an funeral scene akin to say Tony Stark from "Avengers: Endgame" (as much as I don't care for that film) or even the finale to "House MD" where we get to see each supporting cast member talk about the main character at his funeral, as well as the fact that I think the villain needing to be a bit more well realised or at least have a different kind of villain in general.... like imagine if Pattinson's Batman having a 5 part saga in which the first film has Riddler as the main villain, the next one is Penguin, then Joker, then Hush or Ra's Al Ghul and suddenly you have his finale and death of his version Batman go out in a face-off with.......the Mad Hatter, I like Mad Hatter as a villain but his personality type is not exactly finale type. But some of the backlash towards the ending to "No Time to Die" comes off as rather baffling in almost as crazy luddite sort of way, mainly the idea that Bond being the "ultimate survivor" or a character that "never gives up" like his Captain Kirk from "Star Trek" or Woody from "Toy Story". This simply not true especially considering that half the time, Bond being able to survive half the missions he goes on depends on him getting lucky half the time. Nearly all the films from the 60s (which many consider to be THE Golden Age of 007) either have a scene where Bond was pretty much saved from certain death by someone else, but I can name at least 3 examples from that era where you could say Bond pretty much given up in someway: - In "Thunderball" after losing a fist fight with Largo and was held a gunpoint, Bond pretty much froze with a worried look on his face until Domino killed Largo with a speargun. - In "You Only Live Twice", Bond pretty had the same reaction when Blofeld held him a gunpoint near the end until Tiger Tanka showed in a nick of time to save Bond's life. - And perhaps the best example of this is "On Her Majesty's Secret Service", where after escaping Blofeld's lair and being chased by Blofeld's henchmen until at one point Bond did just give up as he just sat a bench with his head down hoping for some miracle despite all the odds being against him.....luckily a Christmas miracle in the form of Tracy showed up in a nick of time to save him. Just saying, the ultimate survivior archetype is not exactly the type who is so dependant on others saving his ass. If Bond sees the option to get out of the mission alive, would he take it? Yes, he would. But he is a character who is aware of his mortality and when he realises that he has no option, Bond has given up and more often than was lucky to make it out alive. Hell, giving up is not even out of character for Craig's Bond as he pretty much did the same after being tortured by Le Chiffre in "Casino Royale".
Honestly, the only Craig Bond that felt like a Bond was Casino Royale. They tried to make his films seem gritty and more realistic but the plot holes and serial aspect made it laborious drivel. Even Skyfall had Bond going into battle knowing he was sure to go up against superior forces with noting but a double rifle. Don't get me started on NTTD. From the stealing of the MC universe (Tony Stark has a kid, now I have to protect it) to the obvious demise from the opening gun barrel when Bond Fades with no blood. This combined with the OHMSS homage telegraphed the ending. Most of his series, he's a rogue agent... Just go on a f#$ing mission for God's sake and stop with the brooding bullshit.
“Could it be-“ Yes it is. Oh fuck yes it is big time But in all seriousness, the problem in my opinion was that he over did the serious aspect and so it became dull and boring. I think Fleming might’ve mentioned it somewhere that at the heart of it all they’re entertaining spy thrillers like when you read them bond IS serious and a bit haunted by his past and is fleshed out with character development moments here and there but he does have moments where he’s just relaxing and having fun not Roger Moore but like regular fun like playing cards or golf or taking care of his car and such like and is a bit of romantic at times. And imo dalton did a much better job with showing that than Craig did and that’s not to say that he’s bad but it was just too much
I don't mind bond dying but him being killed by Saffin does not sit right with me. Also Saffin killing Spectre felt like they were trying to make us forget the last movie and Blofelt for some other less interesting shmuck was a facial injury to take the spotlight from the classic villains. Its like is Batman and Joker were killed by Clayface.
I have no issue with Bond getting killed in theory... I hate that it was this villain (the worst of the series) and this convoluted "ticking clock" that did it. To me, there are a lot of parallels with Rise of Skywalker... they didn't have a plan for the ending at the start and instead tried to retcon/shoehorn in elements that should have been set up in QOS which leaves the entire Craig storyline feel forced and messy. Craig was a very good Bond but his series ended up being a failed experiment IMHO and with the significant delays for Bond 26, the future of the franchise is in significant doubt. Hopefully they can turn it around again but it seems unlikely now
I have no problem with Bond dying. I'm just not excited about how it was executed in NTTD. It felt like suicide. In Danny Boyle and John Hodge's canceled script, Bond hitches a ride with a rocket and has to disable it before it hits its target, thus sacrificing himself for civilization. What a far better send-off that would have been. Moreoever, the last 40 minutes of NTTD is an absolute slog to get through. The film needed a good editor. But what I do like about the film, is that it gave one actor's tenure a proper ending. The Craig era introduced the idea of self-contained runs dedicated to one actor, which is borrowed from Batman.
I still stand by my belief that they should've saved Blofeld as the final antagonist instead of rushing it with Spectre, but NTTD was still a great conclusion to the Craig era
I think my interest in NTTD waned when the release date was pushed back the second time, which was a whole year. Then I had the opportunity to watch it finally at home with my wife. I could not for the life of me finish the film, and it was around the halfway point where we both tuned out of the story, then the film altogether. To this day, Quantum of Solace remains my favorite Daniel Craig Bond film, followed by Casino Royale, and then Skyfall. Neither NTTD or Spectre have any rewatchability for me.
@@phillipleconte3715 Agreed! I remember watching QoS when it first came out and being confused by the plot; over the years I’ve grown to love it and it’s actually surprisingly straightforward- it moves quickly, doesn’t waste time, and doesn’t lag at all. And it’s filled with subtle, quiet character moments. There are actually scenes in the film where I’m thinking to myself “Damn, why couldn’t they expand on that thread?” But now? Bond films have to be nearly 3 hours, with overstuffed plot points. poorly developed characters.. It’s nonsense
@@tajcee Quantum of Solace is my fave Craig Bond film too. I know the criticisms of it being similar to Jason Bourne, but I like those films too, so to me that's a feature, not a bug. "...it moves quickly, doesn’t waste time, and doesn’t lag at all." Now imagine if Quantum had a runtime of 163 minutes - even I would be bashing it. No Time To Die is so bloated that it was always going to throw people off.
@@redlightmax There definitely are some parallels between QoS and the Bourne series, especially as far as its action; Bond is deadly in this particular film, cold-blooded, and it doesn’t get anymore gritty than this. Now it is a flawed film, especially with its villain and his scheme which admittedly could’ve been fleshed out more, but the moments that I genuinely love (the Palio footchase, Bond and Mathis on the plane, Bond and Camile’s conversation in the sinkhole…) which I can go back and rewatch. If the rest of Craig’s tenure was more in this vein, instead of these bloated tributes to the past, I’d enjoy it more. After Skyfall I was pretty much done.
Did you ever watch Casino Royale, immediately followed by Quantum of Solace? If not, and you love QoS, you owe it to yourself to have a 4 hour Bond movie night. Honestly, they should have just ended it there, and rebooted with a recast. We would've all been better off.
Am I the only one who really appreciated NTTD, as second best Daniel Craig movie? I really like the idea that they killed off the character, becauae there was nowhere else they could have gone after Spectre. Bond in NTTD feels like a special agent who is capable of sneaking up and do sneaky stuff. The final location was great comeback to evil mastermind lair idea. I loved how they've changed the radiation for virus and it works as Dr No homage. BTW: for clarification, Skyfall is my favourite, and surprisingly for some, Casino Royale is 3rd.
Majesties and Goldeneye are tied as my favorite Bond film. The use of Louis Armstrong’s theme song for Bond and Tracy, just rubs me the wrong way. It doesn’t belong here in this film. I hear that song I immediately think of Bond with Tracy. It just takes me out of this film. When Bond tosses the hat too Moneypenny, at the wedding I tear up, in Majesties. But here in NTTD, I don’t get emotional with the finish. I never got the Bond Madeline relationship feels. When Bond and Tracy connect glances in that barn, as Bond shuts barn door, while Tracy whisks her hair; that connection speaks volumes for me. And after Bond has to navigate down the mountains from Piz, to the village. Dodging Blofeld and his men, the Bunt and her men. When he sits on that bench, I feel for him. He needs help, he’s exhausted, his face shows need. When he glances up at Tracy ( who makes a skate outfit , stunning) the glance speaks volumes for me. Yet despite Craig doing a good job, dialogue between him and Madelline, I just don’t get any feels. Saffin, just a tremendous disappointment , I felt. Now, I love this film while in Matera, Cuba, Jamaica. Paloma was incredible, to little screen time. M, Q, Moneypenny are great in NTTD. Bond and Felix, that was again great.
I definitely felt the same way about the use of the Armstrong song in this film. In this universe Bond never met Tracy so why do they keep with the call backs? Is this supposed to be this timeline's version of Tracy? This clearly isn't the same Bond from the original timeline.
So with paintings of all the M's, is that a hint with their bringing Bond back for a seventh time, will they then embrace the 007 is multiple agent's theory and all the films continuity using the JAMES BOND as an alias ?
Interesting information. Daniel Craig consulted with Hugh Blackman for advice on how to kill off a beloved character. Jackman's Wolverine died in Logan. So Craig got some inspiration from Hugh and the movie Logan. Now Jackman is back alive as Wolverine in the new Deadpool movie.
Oh no Joe mate, I've just seen this reminded for the forthcoming livestream. After such a long time I'm looking forward to this debate on your channel.....but its scheduled for 1am ! UK time. Arrrh darn it 😒
It's the only film in the entire canon (and I'm so old I've seen them all from the beginning in a theater) where I walked out and thought I really don't care if I ever see it again. I actually gave it a chance and went back one more time... no change. Done.
Man, I was exactly the same. But I also walked out of Die Another Day (around the time it got to Iceland). I gave NTTD, as you did, another chance when it came on tv. Even worse, because the cinema can often give a new movie the illusion of grandeur that the novelty, cinema experience, big screen and surround sound systems give. When I watched it on tv it was even more glaringly obvious what a complete hack-written, bizarrely convoluted and misguided story it was. Not even sure there is a story tbh, it's just a bunch of stuff happening, all trying to set up Bond's death. And when Bond's death comes it's not even remotely respectfully done. Bond has escaped countless far worse situations, and he's met and slept with countless far more interesting and beautiful women than that unlikeable block of pointless wood he just met and is suddenly quitting the service for and getting pregnant etc. How many women has he slept with without getting accidentally pregnant, yet suddenly just when those dumb hacks Purvis and Wadehead are forcing the demise of our hero, suddenly he has got someone pregnant by accident. I didn't buy that, I didn't buy their supposed relationship in the first place, I didn't buy Blofeld as being his brother, I didn't buy Bond not killing Blofeld at the end of Spectre, I didn't buy that Blofeld has orchestrated all the other movies (he didn't, because if you actually go and watch back through them that makes zero sense, it's been tacked on to force drama like some cheap Netflix series), I didn't buy Bond quitting, I didn't buy that Bond couldn't escape that situation or that he'd even let himself get infected like that, I didn't buy the villain's motivations (I have honestly forgotten his name right now, some Purvis and Wade character name that's utterly bland and probably lifted from a John Gardener pos novel)...man, I just did not buy a single thing about Spectre or NTTD, none of it, not even by Bond movie standards. They also killed James Bond in such a random, convoluted, hackneyed way and then just put "James Bond will return" at the end too?? Why? Why kill him then? It seems to me like a symbolic ritual killing of white Bond. They are likely scavenging around for some black actor now to try and follow the latest Hollywood trend of every white character being blackwashed. Not that I'm against a black Bond, but doing it for the sake of trends and not because you've just happened to find a brilliant actor for the role is going to be lame. It will also not just simply be done and done well, like Goldeneye simply did the female M and sexism stuff well and moved on, they are going to make a big circus of it for yet more mega rich white Hollywood producers to try and show off how enlightened they are.
@@DM-kv9kj "not that l'm against a black Bond" tells me you are a coward. Bond is a white British male, just as Shaft or Mr. Tibbs should never be white. Would it not be nice if Bond was to be played by a Chinese or something? Take a cold shower, man.
I never ever thought this would happen but No Time to Die has actually replaced Die Another Day in my eyes as the worst movie in the franchise. Although DAD feels like a live-action version of the cartoon series James Bond Jr. (Check out Gustav Graves cyber suit. He looks incredibly like Dr Derange from James Bond Jr) the film still feels like a Bond film, albeit a poorly scripted one, where they just flushed basic logic down the toilet. However, I would watch Die Another Day multiple times over No Time To Die. The problem I have with it, is surprisingly not Bond's death. How it was presented...yes but not Bond dying. My problem with Craig's last two films is the story arc, which regardless of EON's claims was not introduced until SPECTRE. You had Casino Royale, then you had the direct sequel, which wasn't necessary but okay, I'll accept that. Vesper's story is done and dusted. Then you have Skyfall which is a stand alone story. Then SPECTRE comes along and starts tying the previous three great films into one ongoing story and because it wasn't planned out from the beginning, it feels sloppy, poorly worked out and done simply because they did it in the Mission Impossible franchise and the MCU and it worked for them. The last two films actually tarnishes the first three good ones for me because of that unnecessary story arc which is badly done. A story arc through a Bond actors tenure could have worked and would have been interesting if it had have been planned out beforehand. In relation to SPECTRE, I feel that NTTD was a wasted opportunity to fix a lot of things that were handled badly in SPECTRE. The reintroduction of SPECTRE and Blofeld mainly. They go to the trouble of bringing back an iconic villain from the franchise, under use him in the first film and then just waste him in the second. It leaves you wondering why they even bothered to bring him back in the first place. You could have had Safin as a secondary villain who threatens both Bond and Blofeld and then Bond has to break Blofeld out of prison, forcing the two of them to work together to take down Safin. Blofeld could be the one to kill Safin but then once it's done, the truce can be over and it comes down to an epic showdown between Bond and Blofeld. They could end up killing each other and then that would have been a far more satisfying, heroic and an earned death for Bond. A sort of Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty moment as they fight to the death on the Reichenbach Falls. The other problem I have with it and there are many is the emotional manipulation in a conscious effort to try and eclipse the emotional impact of On Her Majesty's Secret Service. The difference is that in OHMSS, it feels effortless and organic, whereas in No Time to Die, it feels forced. I did not get choked up when Bond died. I did not get choked up when Felix died. I was indifferent. The death of Tracy, still gets me and how Lazenby plays that scene. The death of Daniel Craig's Bond...Meh. And don't get me wrong, I loved Craig's Bond and his interpretation, at least for the first three films but on the strength of what they did with SPECTRE and NTTD, Craig should have quit after Skyfall. My final thoughts? Give Purvis and Wade a rest and let Joe and David write the next Bond script.
I've still never rewatched the film in its entirely, and don't want to: it's got some great scenes, but *that* ending ruined the whole thing for me. I want fantasy, entertainment and escapism from my Bond films, where he wins out against all the odds. Hope BB reads this😂
46:23 "No Time To Die is better than Quantum [Of Solace]"? "Of course, 100%." Insane - Quantum Of Solace is a lean machine, while No Time To Die is a bloated mess.
Agreed. Trashing Quantum is such a normie thing to do. Just like how OHMSS and LTK used to be considered the worst movies until one day the internet told them they were good.
@@JDoe-gf5oz Lol at one day. OHMSS has been lauded for decades. QOS has been trash since the day it was released. To say a movie, where Daniel Craig had to complete the script himself is better than other Bond films, is downright laughable.
@@Romans8-9 lauded by fans who saw it and gave it a chance, but the seeming consensus among regular Joes pre-2000s internet was that it was a bad movie and Lazenby was the "bad Bond" because hur dur he wasn't Connery and why else would he only do one if he wasn't terrible?
@@rolandmiller5456 and that's why the movie's ending sucked. It's meant to be escapism not reality. Of course a real life 00 would die within the first 10 years of service it's an incredibly dangerous job.
The Bond films died the moment Craig was hired. His tenure was nothing short of loathsome embarrassment. Worst possible hiring and his open hatred of the character led to the ego-driven decision to kill the character.
A lot of people are talking about how miserable of a watch this movie this is, and how much they dislike it, but I love this film, flaws and all. This was the last movie I was ever able to see in theaters with my father. He got me into Bond when I was young, and it was something the two of us really Bonded (pun intended ;) over. Being 17, this was the first Bond film I've seen in theaters. Initially he wasn't going to go, it was just going to be me and my mom, but the plans he had for the day fell through, so he came with us. The amount of times we elbowed each other and smiled at each other during all the Bond tropes and all the Majesty's (his favorite Bond movie) callbacks was so amazing. When Bond touched Madeline's arm during the Blofeld interrogation, he leaned in and said "he's going to die at the end" and boy was he right. By the time it happened, we both got very misty eyed. He absolutely loved it, and so do I. Unfortunately, he passed last December. Upon every rewatch, I shed many a tear everytime the ending rolls around. I'm so incredibly thankful I was able to experience this movie with him. Even with how bad some of the elements are, this movie will always hold a priceless place in my heart.
Daniel Craig is the only Bond who has all of his films currently residing in my Top 10 bond films. However i've only seen Spectre, Skyfall and No Time to Die once. All of the remaining Bond series have at least been seen twice some 3 or more times.
Joe, I heard you mention the film Cinema Paradiso, which somehow I missed. Just watched it for the first time and it is so beautiful and mesmerizing, hitting me in just the right way. Thank you so much for the "rec."
@@Beingjamesbond I'm actually frustrated with myself for letting it slip by for this long. I THOUGHT I was a cine-phile :) As a hardened Bond fan (and with film in general,) I'm a sucker for sentimentality.
I just rewatches QoS another time and I believe it is the hidden gem of the whole DC era. Its actually pretty artistic and innovative and in my opinion Daniel has the best style in it.
If by "artistic" you mean just pretentious hack-art. The whole Craig tenure supposedly as "James Bond" has been plagued with convoluted, cobbled together hack pretentious writing and production, yet when you actually give it an ounce of proper thought you realise none of it makes sense, it's completely hollow and just baffling and riddled with many of the absolute cheapest writing tricks in the industry - for example revealing major characters as being related somehow in an attempt to force cheap drama or perpetually forcing a dreary and miserable tone which somehow passes for being all clever and realistic these days. Not one day in my entire real life has everything looked drenched in a drab cold blue filter and everyone been constantly brooding and wise-cracking etc. Royale was good and had a lot of promise and potential that was just wasted frankly. The Craig Bond movies are a boring and miserable conundrum for me.
The most obvious criticism of this film is that its title is contradicted by a decision to die (rather than there being no time to die). As "No Time to Die" is very much a sequel / follow up to "Spectre", I think that the film is built on weak foundations and cannot be seen as being credible.
I think darlington is right about this but it's going to tale 30 years before it's true. I just rewatched the original 20, going thru them at random, and coincidentally ended with Majesty's. It's always been a top 5 title for me so I kind of take its greatness for granted. Watching it last in my bond-a-thon really reminded me just how much it breaks the mold. I couldn't think of another film where they swung for the fences as hard other than NTTD.
Terrible film. Didn't matter to me if the James Bond character was killed off or not. What mattered to me was whether the film was intelligently plotted, written, and executed. It was not. Whether Bond dies or not is incidental. Either it is a well-told story or it is not. This one is not. I hope Daniel Craig was happy with his paycheck, because it might help the medicine go down a bit easier.
As soon as the movie started we were all like “wtf is this shit?”. It didn’t even remotely resemble a Bond film. A mother & daughter in a house & the girl is a crack shot & drags a grown ass man out of a house without giving us a single reason to care. It took 10 minutes for an action sequence to happen & when it did it was ridiculous. A bomb goes off in Bond’s face point blank & he’s fine he’s just dirty like a Wiley Coyote cartoon. Then instead of being a breath of fresh air he’s a wet blanket, a stoic sulking whiner. The villain was crap. Not even remotely interesting & no strong motive. The only time it felt like a Bond movie was when that gorgeous Latina actress showed up as another agent, it was fun & energetic. It was a nice 5 minutes. Killing Bond off at the end md was so forced & over-played. They completely broke the tone of what a Bond movie is supposed to be. You’re supposed to leave the theater feeling good not bored & depressed. Fuck this movie.
Couldn't have said it better myself. And then I watched The world is not enough a few days ago, left the movie feeling cool with that theme playing add the classic James Bond will return at the end, was perfect. What happened to THAT Bond? I understand the need to do something a little different every time, but....Craig and his movies dropped the ball.
@@petersmithyy4556 and for the love of God stop using the DB five and the Aston Martin V8 Vantage I’m so sick and tired of that if your script is tight and good and it respects the lore of what James Bond supposed to be then you don’t need to have those, but if you did bring those two cars in to make us feel something in the movies, dog shit believe me, I ain’t gonna be impressed
@@petersmithyy4556 yes they are, and put a smile to my face when I saw the Aston Martin, V8 Vantage, because at the end of the day I am in Timothy Dalton fan
It really irks me that Daniel Craig had all the chops to bring a great classic Bond. But he got put under the bus by the studios, writers and other sell outs.
This is great. Lovely to hear the background on how you two became friends first of all! I was ready to jump straight into 'Camp Joe' on this argument (that's also my weekend name btw) but David makes a very solid case. Q for David: Do the flaws in the film diminish in any way the lifestyle items? I mean, it'd be hard to love that Omega less, right? But I love my Planet Ocean because it's in CR which is so great. Just wondering if the sentiment works the other way around?
Great discussion and good to see you back with a video Joe! Hoping to see a classic revisited NTTD video with you and Scott at some point, (pretty please!? Lol) as that series of Bond film reviews that you guys did was so enjoyable and definitely needs to have this one added to the collection.
I rather defend The Man with the Golden Gun and A View to a Kill than Spectre and No Time To Die because this film along with Spectre killed the franchise.
I love David and his content. He has such a narrow view of the fandom and NTTD. He speaks like everyone shares his and Calvin’s opinion. I loved the film when I first saw it, and I love it even more now.
NTTD honestly has me reflecting negativity on the Craig era as a whole. It goes without saying that Daniel is fantastic in the role, and Casino Royale is a masterpiece, but by the end the emotional baggage of this era was just too much. Looking back now, I think the likes of License to Kill and/or Goldeneye are the template for how to give Bond some emotional stakes in the story, without getting too bogged down by it.
Licence to Kill, a film that I don't think works anywhere as well as this one, is a fascinating point of comparison. In its day it was also hugely controversial, provoking similar questions like, "Can you do that?", "Do I wanna see that here?", "Do I like feeling this way?", "Is this even a Bond film?" and so on.
@K F It's no surprise that NTTD and TWINE are among my favourite Bond films. That love/betrayal dynamic is something I'm enthralled by not just in this series but across all romantic thrillers - Thomas Crown, Entrapment, Inception, it's even a huge part of The Favourite with Mrs. Daniel Craig herself.
@@gandalainsley6467 go watch some soap operas.
@@comeonman1100 That was my problem. Goldeneye's problems were on the same level as soap operas problems . Ex friend betrays you and then he dies .
@@gandalainsley6467 Goldeneye and most other Bonds don't go nearly as deep into the melodrama that Craig movies do.
The film really should have had a dedication to Sir Sean Connery and Sir Roger Moore who had passed away between Spectre and NNTD
It should, but EON has no generosity. I'm glad it doesn't because the film is unworthy of them.
@@richardweddle3408 really it wasn’t and I hated it and I’ve been introduced to James Bond by my mom and by my grandmother through Sean Connery think Sean Connery would be pissed off beyond belief and so would more because you don’t kill off the golden goose you just don’t and for Daniel Craig to actually be able to have a say on how Bon dies or goes out what the fuck was he thinking sorry my cursing, but that’s what I think because there’s again you don’t kill off the golden goose
@@richardweddle3408yes because NTTD is worse than A View to a Kill and Never Say Never Again?
I suspect Roger Might have been considered at one stage but I can see why they didn't as he passed away a while before it came out [in 2017]. As for Connery, bare in mind the film was 'locked' for release in early 2020 and he passed away that autumn. By all accounts the film wasn't altered after the April 2020 postponement so they couldn't include it even if they wanted to.
@@richardweddle3408 Given some of the films they appeared in over the years [such as Connery-The Avengers, Moore-Bullseye] I doubt they'd turn there noses up at NTTD at all.
NTTD is the only Bond film I've only seen once.Other than Ana De Armas,there was nothing about this film that I'd like to revisit
My healthy disappointment with No Time to Die has grown into a worrisome loathing.
Other then Casino Royale - all of Craig's films were so convoluted and ridculous that they all ran out of steam and killing Bond would leave the late Cubby Broccoli turning in his grave
I had the idea that I would come to accept this film the more I watched it....but I just can't bring myself to sit through it a fourth time just yet. A thoroughly miserable experience.
Sitting through it three times is amazing - once is the most I can manage so far. I love the scenes with Paloma and Primo, but everything else is a slog.
I love JB but still haven't made it once through this one. I just got bored. Such a shame.
No idea how you were able to sit through it more than once, let alone 3 times.
Even without the ending, the Bond movies are hard to get through because they are getting close to three hours long. That plus the downer, broodiness of the Craig movies doesn't help either.
I gave up 2nd time. It's insanely contrived, overwrought and boring.
Let's just say it, the next bond movies need to be more like the last three Mission Impossible movies... Fun
I was pretty excited to purchase it when it came out for home release, but have only seen it once (and then rewatched the opening chase a few times). Not really a fun film to rewatch in its entirety.
Bond movies are best when they’re cheesy comedies like Moonraker, etc…
@@ramencurry6672 That's really subjective, for me it's the exact opposite :)
@@ramencurry6672 yep because they are lighthearted fun that is enjoyable to watch again.
Not a fun film to watch at all, the first and only time for me was cringeworthy, depressing, annoying and baffling all at the same time. How do you forget how to make James Bond movies? Barbara and MGW have been working on them since the 80s and suddenly they can't even animate a gunbarrel properly, are putting weird and pointless and even downright pretentious quotes before the movie starts, systematically killing off every character including James Bond himself, making Blofeld his brother, making him fall in love and quit over nothing, some totally unlikeable, dull and annoying Bond girl he's literally just met, making Bond forget how contraception works just before the massively contrived death, ruining every beloved trope from just wringing each one through the mangle over and over (DB5, martinis etc etc)... M will be his dad next, Q his gay cousin, Moneypenny he's already now slept with even though one of the whole points of her character was that she never actually got with him...
They're also 100% now contriving and forcing a black casting since NTTD only makes any sense whatsoever if it was a statement of killing off white Bond, basically. It'll be black Bond, gay Q, lesbian Moneypenny, Indian M, asian Bill Tanner, trans Felix Leiter, gender fluid Bond girls or Bond boys...what am I missing from the new contrived Hollywood checklist for billionaire white producers to desperately try and show off how enlightened and down with the kids they are?
@@DM-kv9kj touch some grass 🤡
Daniel Craig is coming back for one more. He'll train his daughter up to be an agent. He'll look a bit like Yoda because of the explosion.
17:21 David: "My Bond is ashes now."
A 163-minute movie summed up in five words.
I’ve missed you Mr. Darlington! It’s good to have you back! 😊
For me it's not James Bond who died. It's Daniel Craig's Bond. Craig's Bond is for me like Superman Red Son or Thomas Wayne Batman from Flashpoint. His whole era is like a twisted mirror universe version of the orignal character.
Yes, I think Craig wanted his Bond to "die", but that has tarnished the whole concept I'm afraid.
Well, I hope you're getting ready for black gender fluid gay trans James Bond who insists on they/them pronouns, because that's obviously what they're now contriving away at.
M: Where's Jay Bond at, man?
Moneypenny: They're in their office.
M: Call them in now, bruv!!
Moneypenny: Why are you sounding so angry and unprofessional...and like a teenager...?
M: Becuz am down wiv da kids innit! Gotta make every scene a big angry broodin' drama fest. Also, I is Jay Bond's dad by the way!
@@phila3884 I agree but my love for Bond died with Brosnan so I'll be interested in the reboot
Yep. They're Bond movies. Any "continuity " is tenuous at best.
Yup daniel Craig is dead and now bond is coming back
I know that killing off the main character is the new thing these days, I think killing off Craig’s bond was the way to go for this bond. If it had happened in brosnan’s tenure or Moore’s, it would’ve pisses off A LOT more people because it wouldn’t fit with their bonds.
killing Bond is a no-go zone. It's the most basic premisse any Bond movie should have. So killing, is just SO FUCKING STUPID
is just indefensible
Before I took Kathy to NTTD I had her see all the previous Craig flicks so she wouldn’t get lost. After SPECTRE she was calling the story arc as quite convoluted, especially the brother angle. She also didn’t feel the on screen chemistry was all that great with Madeline.
Anyhow at the end of NTTD she kind of said “What the heck was that?” She said it was definitely NOT a Bond film.
Contrast that with how we left Top Gun Maverick. At the end of that movie she remarked the difference of how everyone felt when the credits rolled. Claps and cheers.
That is how you should leave a Bond flick. Not mourning the death of one of your heroes.
Because they used Fleabag Waller and SJW crap in NTTD
Who the heck is Kathy? And why should we care what she thinks.
@@RighteousBrother Someone with the same right to an opinion as you.
I left the cinema celebrating the death of the franchises worst villain - Craig's Bond.
But they didn't kill James Bond. They killed off some short, fugly Russian-looking henchman guy with no charm or charisma whatsoever who was desperately trying to act like James Bond... Seriously, Daniel Craig isn't even a particularly good actor. Never understood why so many thought he was some amazing actor. Martin Campbell squeezed some drops out of him with his hardcore directing style and professionalism, but Craig is incredibly dull, 2-dimensional and wooden. Stiff, awkward and perpetually miserable to boot. He looks like some chav's dad desperately pretending to be James Bond. Even his swaggering walk is phoned in, how do you phone in just walking??
Despite some good moments, I think the Craig era was an insult to true bond fans.
One reason I hated SPECTRE was because they reduced the criminal organization from a mysterious, powerful organization into a Mickey Mouse organization
They didn't just want to replace Bond, they needed to kill him.
But the worst, no, wait for the next one. Edited: Two years and no new 007 movie.
We had just been through two years of plague and then they kill James Bond. Jeesh!
I tried to watch this movie but I couldn't stand it. The script and premise are as uninteresting as the characters. One of the biggest problems with the "Craig era" is that the characters lack any charisma, especially Craig, who is himself the epitome of the dull man. The script does its best to create empathy and forge feelings in the audience, with tacky and exaggerated scenes. A complete disaster.
I wish I found this channel earlier. I love all these discussions. I absolutely hated the Daniel Craig movies when I was younger funnily enough now it is my favourite saga.
It’s not his worst , that would be SPECTRE but too often he comes off as Daniel Craig, not James Bond.
Amazon prime has the Sean Connery Bond movies available. Those movies make SPECRE look like a legit bad guy organization. That version of Ernest Von Blofeld played by Donald Pleasence, was more entertaining than the one played by Christopher Waltz (who is a good actor though).
Can’t wait to discuss, I thought I hated DAD and Spectre, NTTD gets worse upon every viewing. Let’s talk about it
i watched it once in the theater. hated the ending. i bought the blueray and its now on prime. i havent watched it again yet.
No one has the right to kill off a character other than the author
right!
Really in the author, Ian Fleming would be rolling in his grave right now. If he knew about what they did is disrespectful and in my opinion, it’s cultural genocide. You don’t do that it’s kind of like what happened in Star Wars.
Why do you guys avoid addressing the ELEPHANT in the room? Neal Purvis, Paul Haggis and Robert Wade , the writers of all these dumpster fires, after Casino, should have been axed. If we would have replaced them back then, maybe we could have had a better outcome in the end, without having to sacrifice James Bond. The producers are either too lazy to get rid of them or too afraid of going in a different direction without them.
I agree.. Casino was the only good Craig film really.. Skyfall I think is overrated.. I the rest I can leave honestly.
Bond is meant to be an adventure with some fun.. Painfully serious isn't what we want.. Maybe for a film... For 5 in a row.. Nah.. I also generally dislike this continued plot across films either.. I can remove Craig's films from the overall Bond films and not miss them.. Including Casino.. Give me Bond 1-20 that's Bond.. Craig was never truly Bond to me.. He didn't look the part he didn't carry himself right.. He lacked the gentlemanly charm.. I want a return to real missions and fun, also misogyny is a core part of the character it needs to be present without trying to make some judgement on it.. Very bored of this modern male on film.. Unappealing is an understatement.
Bond dying is not the issue. The death wasn’t earned by the film, either emotionally or in terms of plot - it feels tacked on because that was a decision made long ago.
I expect that the first line the next Bond (Cavill) says is: "The rumours of my death have been greatly exaggerated!" Just for fun!
@@RenePeraza well, at least you’ll be pretty to look at not like Daniel Craig yuck
Sean Connery used to enjoy being a secret agent. Daniel Craig looks like someone who doesn't want to do it but is still doing it. Casino Royale is the perfect Bond movie and the best of DC. It had all Bond formulas in a perfect proportion. CR looks old and new both at same time. My dad used to be a huge Bond fan and he just was disappointed after watching Nttd. I think the production making Bond more politically correct was the biggest mistake.
@@rossmccay Bond is meant to be a nicer anti Hero. He is meant to be someone who uses women to gain his milestones in a mission. He is someone who needs to kill people cold heartedly without even flinching. Humanising himself a little is good but making him soft is not
You know what I think would have been a great idea? Not make NTTD. Craig should have hung up his Tux after Skyfall. Finish strong.
It needed to go out on a high, not a massive low. Bring back "fun" Bond. If I wanted dark, I'd watch Batman.
This film made Batman feel like a light comedy.
The movie was fun, just a sad ending. The cuba scene for example is great fun.
@@emptyblank099aI wouldn't use the word fun for ANY of Craig's Bond's. As a film it was OK as a Bond film, it just wasn't. But hey, glad you enjoyed it.
I agree 007 deserved a good ending! But I think people will look back at this film years later and see it’s beauty.
SPECTRE and NO TIME TO DIE share many of the same shortcomings -- clumsy storytelling, villains that don't quite rise to the level of classic Bond baddies, and horrible, completely unmemorable title songs. First and foremost, however, both pictures are undone by climaxes they haven't really earned, and this is due to Bond's sudden and inexplicable devotion to the Madeleine Swann character. While there has been no shortage of memorable Bond Girls over the years, it was never necessary to explain why the best of them -- Tracey, Vesper, and Tatiana -- managed to become so important to Bond. As a deadly assassin, Bond had conditioned himself to keep his feelings in check, for to do otherwise would expose a vulnerability to his enemies. We can understand why Bond fell for Tracey and Vesper; his courtship with those women felt natural, but his rushed infatuation with Madeleine seems forced and unearned, a plot point designed to advance the story from point A to point B. The Craig films produced some memorable Bond Girls, but I would have to place Madeleine near the bottom of the list, and that's a real problem when you're hoping to send Bond off in the biggest emotional flourish of the series. It's not even that Seydoux is particularly bad in the role -- the character simply wasn't anything special to begin with, and Bond actually seems to have better chemistry with Nomi, Paloma, or even Moneypenny, and that shouldn't be the case considering the stakes the story has set up...
We buy into Bond falling in love (OHMSS) because we never feel that Tracy will try and domesticate him...where as Madeleine & kid...
It would have been cool if they did something like this in Craig's fourth outing as Bond. Pulled like a Sherlock Holmes thing where he dies and then bring him back for his last outing somehow.
This just left me feeling sad and empty leaving the theatre though. Craig was just sort of a depressing Bond for me. His movies played the drama a bit too much. Casino Royale was terrific but I think that was more because of the script, locations, and writing.
In Skyfall which was good too they always made him out to be like this out of touch old man even though he was only in his third film. Plus, there was barely any sex in any of the Craig Bond films. They tried to make him into this one woman, almost lovesick type guy when that is not the character.
Bond is a handsome bachelor who has a very dangerous job. He enjoys sleeping around with beautiful women because he could die at any moment and is going to enjoy himself when he can. So he sleeps around and enjoys good booze and nice clothes and fine dining and fancy cars and gadgets. And there is nothing wrong with that.
I just don't agree with killing Bond. I guess they were trying to be dark and edgy but I don't really want that from my Bond. I want pure escapist fun like Octopussy, Goldfinger, or the Spy Who Loved Me.
I don't feel very good about the future of Bond at this point. The best we can hope is they decide to go the route of Top Gun: Maverick and make the next series an old school crowd pleaser with no woke agenda....but I doubt that will happen.
I don't feel good about the future of Bond either. That's why I'm leaving the franchise for good.
Craig just wasn't a good James Bond.
@@STONESGAM I've known older - much older - women who were really attracted to Sean Connery. Those females didn't seem to mind what "Bond" did for a living.
I concur, Producers should just leave it at that. Messed up the Series enough already. Thank God for Tom Cruise and Mission Impossible.
Interesting point about Maverick as a comparison.
It was a great film, that ended as a fitting end to the Craig era. The brilliance of Bond is there is an actor perfect for any mood.
You want silly? Moore. Gritty? Craig etc
Movie was 🗑️
Daniel Craig is just plain garbage.
David Zaritsky: "... it may have made it (NTTD) the worst in the series!"
*MIC DROP... and out!* :)
agreed! The best part of No Time to Die is Craig is now gone...Henry Cavill, Barb. Let's bring back the tall, suave, clever sophisticated 007 or just retire the series.
I genuinely still enjoy the film but it is the last Bond film I talked to my dad about before he passed so it does make me sad in that aspect. Now we need the Joe/Scott discussion! Lol, but still great talk with you two
Wow, that's sad - your last James Bond conversation with your Dad. I was so surprised at myself, crying at the end of this film - because James Bond died. I hadn't quite realized just how pervasive this person had been a part of my entire life. I can understand how your Dad may have been a bit sad, learning that toward the end of his life, a film & book character that had probably given him a lot of joy and fun throughout his life was now 'dead' (and didn't really need to be).
@@MrModel--CAPTURED-ON-FILM yeah my Dad was a life long Bond fan, he saw Dr. No in theaters when he was 11. To be honest I'm just glad he did get to see NTTD before he passed because with all the delays the film had I was worried that he wasn't going to last long enough to even see the film. My dad was actually ok with the ending when it pertained to Daniel Craig's run but he also was anxious to see who would be cast as Bond next. This series is something near and dear because it's what we bonded (no pun intended) over. Thanks for your comment!
The first hour of this movie was great. But it went downhill real quick. I got several issues with this movie.
Daniel Caig era was almost a total disaster. The first 3 movies(2006, 2008, 2012.) were tolerable. But a whole era(2006-2021) was so damn different from anything before. This massive depression. Bond was like a psychopath, not a gentleman-agent. And I was particularly disturbed by the fact that all of Craig's films were connected to each other! By the way, I actually liked in 2012 presumably a cool independent Raoul Silva character in "Skyfall". But what later turned out? He was just a Blofeld's henchman, nothing more... Remember what Blofeld said in 2015? "I was behind everything!". And Blofeld turned out to be Bond's stepbrother? WTF!?!?!? IT JUST SUCKS!!! What a terrible scenario! NTTD was no better either. Bond was now a family man. Can you imagine Connery making breakfast for his daughter? Or Moore? Or Dalton? Such a crappy move by the filmmakers. And Bond's death. That was the last straw for me. By the way, in the last interview I saw, Michael and Barbara showed absolutely zero interest in continuing with the franchise. So, maybe the death of Craig's Bond really was the end of the series? Anyway, my advise to the producers is this: Quickly back to glamorous/fun/spectacular Bond! Like "TSWLM"(1977) & "Moonraker"(1979)! Otherwise, you'll be screwed! The audience will not survive another disaster! Both "Spectre"(2015) and "NTTD"(2021) were the worst Bond films ever!!!
No time to die ending kills the whole movie, because it doesn't leave you with that excitement and joy that bond movie should bring the movie goer.
They were going for the big dramatic ending and that may have worked (for some) at the time but in time it looks a horrible decision. The beauty of Bond movies is their re-watchability and I cannot think of a Bond I’d want to rewatch less than NTTD-and a lot of that has to do with that end.
" I cannot think of a Bond I’d want to rewatch less than NTTD"
Well, Spectre is just as bad for me, but yeah. I never in my life thought I'd ever be able to say with total conviction that I would honestly rather be forced to watch A View to a Kill, Diamonds Are Forever and Die Another Day back to back than be made to rewatch Spectre and/or NTTD! And that isn't even a "woke" complaint or something, Spectre wasn't "woke" at all (like Craigbond just forcing himself on the wife of a guy he just shot and who seconds before slapped him - I even find that worse than the notorious Goldfinger hay barn or Thunderball steam room scenes) just bad and pretentious and dull.
"The beauty of Bond movies is their re-watchability". it does not get better the third - fourth time.
Was gonna watch this video, but the opening 15 seconds were so stupid my brain immediately checked out
Thank you. Come again.
Spoilers for "No Time to Die":
While I don't think the ending is perfect by any means as I think there are some unpolished aspects to it, like I think there should have been more a rushed after thought as I think there should have been more of an funeral scene akin to say Tony Stark from "Avengers: Endgame" (as much as I don't care for that film) or even the finale to "House MD" where we get to see each supporting cast member talk about the main character at his funeral, as well as the fact that I think the villain needing to be a bit more well realised or at least have a different kind of villain in general.... like imagine if Pattinson's Batman having a 5 part saga in which the first film has Riddler as the main villain, the next one is Penguin, then Joker, then Hush or Ra's Al Ghul and suddenly you have his finale and death of his version Batman go out in a face-off with.......the Mad Hatter, I like Mad Hatter as a villain but his personality type is not exactly finale type.
But some of the backlash towards the ending to "No Time to Die" comes off as rather baffling in almost as crazy luddite sort of way, mainly the idea that Bond being the "ultimate survivor" or a character that "never gives up" like his Captain Kirk from "Star Trek" or Woody from "Toy Story". This simply not true especially considering that half the time, Bond being able to survive half the missions he goes on depends on him getting lucky half the time. Nearly all the films from the 60s (which many consider to be THE Golden Age of 007) either have a scene where Bond was pretty much saved from certain death by someone else, but I can name at least 3 examples from that era where you could say Bond pretty much given up in someway:
- In "Thunderball" after losing a fist fight with Largo and was held a gunpoint, Bond pretty much froze with a worried look on his face until Domino killed Largo with a speargun.
- In "You Only Live Twice", Bond pretty had the same reaction when Blofeld held him a gunpoint near the end until Tiger Tanka showed in a nick of time to save Bond's life.
- And perhaps the best example of this is "On Her Majesty's Secret Service", where after escaping Blofeld's lair and being chased by Blofeld's henchmen until at one point Bond did just give up as he just sat a bench with his head down hoping for some miracle despite all the odds being against him.....luckily a Christmas miracle in the form of Tracy showed up in a nick of time to save him.
Just saying, the ultimate survivior archetype is not exactly the type who is so dependant on others saving his ass. If Bond sees the option to get out of the mission alive, would he take it? Yes, he would. But he is a character who is aware of his mortality and when he realises that he has no option, Bond has given up and more often than was lucky to make it out alive. Hell, giving up is not even out of character for Craig's Bond as he pretty much did the same after being tortured by Le Chiffre in "Casino Royale".
Honestly, the only Craig Bond that felt like a Bond was Casino Royale. They tried to make his films seem gritty and more realistic but the plot holes and serial aspect made it laborious drivel. Even Skyfall had Bond going into battle knowing he was sure to go up against superior forces with noting but a double rifle. Don't get me started on NTTD. From the stealing of the MC universe (Tony Stark has a kid, now I have to protect it) to the obvious demise from the opening gun barrel when Bond Fades with no blood. This combined with the OHMSS homage telegraphed the ending. Most of his series, he's a rogue agent... Just go on a f#$ing mission for God's sake and stop with the brooding bullshit.
“Could it be-“
Yes it is. Oh fuck yes it is big time
But in all seriousness, the problem in my opinion was that he over did the serious aspect and so it became dull and boring. I think Fleming might’ve mentioned it somewhere that at the heart of it all they’re entertaining spy thrillers like when you read them bond IS serious and a bit haunted by his past and is fleshed out with character development moments here and there but he does have moments where he’s just relaxing and having fun not Roger Moore but like regular fun like playing cards or golf or taking care of his car and such like and is a bit of romantic at times. And imo dalton did a much better job with showing that than Craig did and that’s not to say that he’s bad but it was just too much
Craig’s worst as he died at the end or Quantum would have taken that dubious honour.
I don't mind bond dying but him being killed by Saffin does not sit right with me. Also Saffin killing Spectre felt like they were trying to make us forget the last movie and Blofelt for some other less interesting shmuck was a facial injury to take the spotlight from the classic villains. Its like is Batman and Joker were killed by Clayface.
Bringing a little Child in Danger for Matter of Suspense, is a no go, especially in a Bond Movie!
Is the next series going to be "Do all Bond films suffer in the 3rd act?"
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Bond shouldn't have been blown to smithereens. They should have let the ending open to interpretation.
I have no issue with Bond getting killed in theory... I hate that it was this villain (the worst of the series) and this convoluted "ticking clock" that did it. To me, there are a lot of parallels with Rise of Skywalker... they didn't have a plan for the ending at the start and instead tried to retcon/shoehorn in elements that should have been set up in QOS which leaves the entire Craig storyline feel forced and messy. Craig was a very good Bond but his series ended up being a failed experiment IMHO and with the significant delays for Bond 26, the future of the franchise is in significant doubt. Hopefully they can turn it around again but it seems unlikely now
Yes…and it completed the unraveling for the enthusiasm that Casino Royale gave us in the beginning! In total, wasted years IMO
Great conversation. It is fun to get different reactions and think about how I feel. Thanks
He made 5 films and only 2 of them are any good. Casino Royale and Skyfall are great. The rest are just so bad it's unbelievable.
36:41 Dave’s opinions perfectly encapsulate mine.
I have no problem with Bond dying. I'm just not excited about how it was executed in NTTD. It felt like suicide. In Danny Boyle and John Hodge's canceled script, Bond hitches a ride with a rocket and has to disable it before it hits its target, thus sacrificing himself for civilization. What a far better send-off that would have been.
Moreoever, the last 40 minutes of NTTD is an absolute slog to get through. The film needed a good editor. But what I do like about the film, is that it gave one actor's tenure a proper ending. The Craig era introduced the idea of self-contained runs dedicated to one actor, which is borrowed from Batman.
I still stand by my belief that they should've saved Blofeld as the final antagonist instead of rushing it with Spectre, but NTTD was still a great conclusion to the Craig era
Oh wow, I didn't expect a Stephen He cameo of "Emotional damage!" Love that guy.
I think my interest in NTTD waned when the release date was pushed back the second time, which was a whole year. Then I had the opportunity to watch it finally at home with my wife. I could not for the life of me finish the film, and it was around the halfway point where we both tuned out of the story, then the film altogether.
To this day, Quantum of Solace remains my favorite Daniel Craig Bond film, followed by Casino Royale, and then Skyfall. Neither NTTD or Spectre have any rewatchability for me.
Quantum of Solace is an excellent Bond film. For one thing I could follow the plot. I dare anyone to explain the plot of NTTD after one viewing.
@@phillipleconte3715 Agreed! I remember watching QoS when it first came out and being confused by the plot; over the years I’ve grown to love it and it’s actually surprisingly straightforward- it moves quickly, doesn’t waste time, and doesn’t lag at all. And it’s filled with subtle, quiet character moments. There are actually scenes in the film where I’m thinking to myself “Damn, why couldn’t they expand on that thread?” But now? Bond films have to be nearly 3 hours, with overstuffed plot points. poorly developed characters.. It’s nonsense
@@tajcee Quantum of Solace is my fave Craig Bond film too. I know the criticisms of it being similar to Jason Bourne, but I like those films too, so to me that's a feature, not a bug.
"...it moves quickly, doesn’t waste time, and doesn’t lag at all."
Now imagine if Quantum had a runtime of 163 minutes - even I would be bashing it. No Time To Die is so bloated that it was always going to throw people off.
@@redlightmax There definitely are some parallels between QoS and the Bourne series, especially as far as its action; Bond is deadly in this particular film, cold-blooded, and it doesn’t get anymore gritty than this. Now it is a flawed film, especially with its villain and his scheme which admittedly could’ve been fleshed out more, but the moments that I genuinely love (the Palio footchase, Bond and Mathis on the plane, Bond and Camile’s conversation in the sinkhole…) which I can go back and rewatch. If the rest of Craig’s tenure was more in this vein, instead of these bloated tributes to the past, I’d enjoy it more. After Skyfall I was pretty much done.
Did you ever watch Casino Royale, immediately followed by Quantum of Solace?
If not, and you love QoS, you owe it to yourself to have a 4 hour Bond movie night.
Honestly, they should have just ended it there, and rebooted with a recast. We would've all been better off.
I haven't rewatched it since theaters. I really enjoyed a lot of it. Particularly the opening, Cuba, and the forest action sequence.
I do remember that Zaritsky article from 2006. A few years before we met.
Finally watched it last night. LOVED IT. Might be right behind Casino Royale as far as the Craig era goes
Am I the only one who really appreciated NTTD, as second best Daniel Craig movie?
I really like the idea that they killed off the character, becauae there was nowhere else they could have gone after Spectre.
Bond in NTTD feels like a special agent who is capable of sneaking up and do sneaky stuff.
The final location was great comeback to evil mastermind lair idea.
I loved how they've changed the radiation for virus and it works as Dr No homage.
BTW: for clarification, Skyfall is my favourite, and surprisingly for some, Casino Royale is 3rd.
Casino Royale is 3rd? Something’s wrong with you.
@@nebulousy I'll do you better - Quantum of Solace is a good movie.
The latest bond films are so dark and cold, too PC. No thanks
Majesties and Goldeneye are tied as my favorite Bond film. The use of Louis Armstrong’s theme song for Bond and Tracy, just rubs me the wrong way. It doesn’t belong here in this film. I hear that song I immediately think of Bond with Tracy. It just takes me out of this film.
When Bond tosses the hat too Moneypenny, at the wedding I tear up, in Majesties. But here in NTTD, I don’t get emotional with the finish. I never got the Bond Madeline relationship feels. When Bond and Tracy connect glances in that barn, as Bond shuts barn door, while Tracy whisks her hair; that connection speaks volumes for me. And after Bond has to navigate down the mountains from Piz, to the village. Dodging Blofeld and his men, the Bunt and her men. When he sits on that bench, I feel for him. He needs help, he’s exhausted, his face shows need. When he glances up at Tracy ( who makes a skate outfit , stunning) the glance speaks volumes for me.
Yet despite Craig doing a good job, dialogue between him and Madelline, I just don’t get any feels. Saffin, just a tremendous disappointment , I felt. Now, I love this film while in Matera, Cuba, Jamaica. Paloma was incredible, to little screen time. M, Q, Moneypenny are great in NTTD. Bond and Felix, that was again great.
I definitely felt the same way about the use of the Armstrong song in this film. In this universe Bond never met Tracy so why do they keep with the call backs? Is this supposed to be this timeline's version of Tracy? This clearly isn't the same Bond from the original timeline.
So with paintings of all the M's, is that a hint with their bringing Bond back for a seventh time, will they then embrace the 007 is multiple agent's theory and all the films continuity using the JAMES BOND as an alias ?
Interesting information. Daniel Craig consulted with Hugh Blackman for advice on how to kill off a beloved character. Jackman's Wolverine died in Logan. So Craig got some inspiration from Hugh and the movie Logan.
Now Jackman is back alive as Wolverine in the new Deadpool movie.
Oh no Joe mate, I've just seen this reminded for the forthcoming livestream. After such a long time I'm looking forward to this debate on your channel.....but its scheduled for 1am ! UK time. Arrrh darn it 😒
It's the only film in the entire canon (and I'm so old I've seen them all from the beginning in a theater) where I walked out and thought I really don't care if I ever see it again. I actually gave it a chance and went back one more time... no change. Done.
I feel your pain, shared sentiments.
Man, I was exactly the same. But I also walked out of Die Another Day (around the time it got to Iceland). I gave NTTD, as you did, another chance when it came on tv. Even worse, because the cinema can often give a new movie the illusion of grandeur that the novelty, cinema experience, big screen and surround sound systems give. When I watched it on tv it was even more glaringly obvious what a complete hack-written, bizarrely convoluted and misguided story it was. Not even sure there is a story tbh, it's just a bunch of stuff happening, all trying to set up Bond's death. And when Bond's death comes it's not even remotely respectfully done. Bond has escaped countless far worse situations, and he's met and slept with countless far more interesting and beautiful women than that unlikeable block of pointless wood he just met and is suddenly quitting the service for and getting pregnant etc.
How many women has he slept with without getting accidentally pregnant, yet suddenly just when those dumb hacks Purvis and Wadehead are forcing the demise of our hero, suddenly he has got someone pregnant by accident. I didn't buy that, I didn't buy their supposed relationship in the first place, I didn't buy Blofeld as being his brother, I didn't buy Bond not killing Blofeld at the end of Spectre, I didn't buy that Blofeld has orchestrated all the other movies (he didn't, because if you actually go and watch back through them that makes zero sense, it's been tacked on to force drama like some cheap Netflix series), I didn't buy Bond quitting, I didn't buy that Bond couldn't escape that situation or that he'd even let himself get infected like that, I didn't buy the villain's motivations (I have honestly forgotten his name right now, some Purvis and Wade character name that's utterly bland and probably lifted from a John Gardener pos novel)...man, I just did not buy a single thing about Spectre or NTTD, none of it, not even by Bond movie standards.
They also killed James Bond in such a random, convoluted, hackneyed way and then just put "James Bond will return" at the end too?? Why? Why kill him then? It seems to me like a symbolic ritual killing of white Bond. They are likely scavenging around for some black actor now to try and follow the latest Hollywood trend of every white character being blackwashed. Not that I'm against a black Bond, but doing it for the sake of trends and not because you've just happened to find a brilliant actor for the role is going to be lame. It will also not just simply be done and done well, like Goldeneye simply did the female M and sexism stuff well and moved on, they are going to make a big circus of it for yet more mega rich white Hollywood producers to try and show off how enlightened they are.
@@DM-kv9kj "not that l'm against a black Bond" tells me you are a coward. Bond is a white British male, just as Shaft or Mr. Tibbs should never be white. Would it not be nice if Bond was to be played by a Chinese or something? Take a cold shower, man.
I never ever thought this would happen but No Time to Die has actually replaced Die Another Day in my eyes as the worst movie in the franchise. Although DAD feels like a live-action version of the cartoon series James Bond Jr. (Check out Gustav Graves cyber suit. He looks incredibly like Dr Derange from James Bond Jr) the film still feels like a Bond film, albeit a poorly scripted one, where they just flushed basic logic down the toilet. However, I would watch Die Another Day multiple times over No Time To Die.
The problem I have with it, is surprisingly not Bond's death. How it was presented...yes but not Bond dying. My problem with Craig's last two films is the story arc, which regardless of EON's claims was not introduced until SPECTRE. You had Casino Royale, then you had the direct sequel, which wasn't necessary but okay, I'll accept that. Vesper's story is done and dusted. Then you have Skyfall which is a stand alone story. Then SPECTRE comes along and starts tying the previous three great films into one ongoing story and because it wasn't planned out from the beginning, it feels sloppy, poorly worked out and done simply because they did it in the Mission Impossible franchise and the MCU and it worked for them. The last two films actually tarnishes the first three good ones for me because of that unnecessary story arc which is badly done. A story arc through a Bond actors tenure could have worked and would have been interesting if it had have been planned out beforehand.
In relation to SPECTRE, I feel that NTTD was a wasted opportunity to fix a lot of things that were handled badly in SPECTRE. The reintroduction of SPECTRE and Blofeld mainly. They go to the trouble of bringing back an iconic villain from the franchise, under use him in the first film and then just waste him in the second. It leaves you wondering why they even bothered to bring him back in the first place. You could have had Safin as a secondary villain who threatens both Bond and Blofeld and then Bond has to break Blofeld out of prison, forcing the two of them to work together to take down Safin. Blofeld could be the one to kill Safin but then once it's done, the truce can be over and it comes down to an epic showdown between Bond and Blofeld. They could end up killing each other and then that would have been a far more satisfying, heroic and an earned death for Bond. A sort of Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty moment as they fight to the death on the Reichenbach Falls.
The other problem I have with it and there are many is the emotional manipulation in a conscious effort to try and eclipse the emotional impact of On Her Majesty's Secret Service. The difference is that in OHMSS, it feels effortless and organic, whereas in No Time to Die, it feels forced. I did not get choked up when Bond died. I did not get choked up when Felix died. I was indifferent. The death of Tracy, still gets me and how Lazenby plays that scene. The death of Daniel Craig's Bond...Meh. And don't get me wrong, I loved Craig's Bond and his interpretation, at least for the first three films but on the strength of what they did with SPECTRE and NTTD, Craig should have quit after Skyfall.
My final thoughts? Give Purvis and Wade a rest and let Joe and David write the next Bond script.
I've still never rewatched the film in its entirely, and don't want to: it's got some great scenes, but *that* ending ruined the whole thing for me. I want fantasy, entertainment and escapism from my Bond films, where he wins out against all the odds. Hope BB reads this😂
I still like NTTD. I have no problem with him dying. It was shocking but understandable based on the story. Besides, he'll be back...eventually.
There is a saying We used to use in the Marine Corps, “good initiative, bad judgement.” That’s my thoughts on this movie.
46:23 "No Time To Die is better than Quantum [Of Solace]"?
"Of course, 100%."
Insane - Quantum Of Solace is a lean machine, while No Time To Die is a bloated mess.
This!👍
Agreed. Trashing Quantum is such a normie thing to do. Just like how OHMSS and LTK used to be considered the worst movies until one day the internet told them they were good.
@@JDoe-gf5oz Lol at one day. OHMSS has been lauded for decades. QOS has been trash since the day it was released. To say a movie, where Daniel Craig had to complete the script himself is better than other Bond films, is downright laughable.
@@Romans8-9 lauded by fans who saw it and gave it a chance, but the seeming consensus among regular Joes pre-2000s internet was that it was a bad movie and Lazenby was the "bad Bond" because hur dur he wasn't Connery and why else would he only do one if he wasn't terrible?
@@JDoe-gf5oz" Pre-2000s internet" lol Move the goalposts much?
I will ALWAYS hate the ending of NTTD, but it slaps Spectre's face and throws it onto the bed with its arm behind its back.
Dying to hear Scott's 2 cents
Same we need the Scott input!
YOU DON'T KILL JAMES BOND. RULE NUMBER 1
Everybody dies.
@@rolandmiller5456 and that's why the movie's ending sucked. It's meant to be escapism not reality. Of course a real life 00 would die within the first 10 years of service it's an incredibly dangerous job.
Grow up
The Bond films died with Bond . Rest in Peace James Bond .
The Bond films died the moment Craig was hired. His tenure was nothing short of loathsome embarrassment. Worst possible hiring and his open hatred of the character led to the ego-driven decision to kill the character.
Joe: So your saying that if Pierce were to be given a bow gun and a fish in DAD you are gonna be on board? Ignoring all the quips and Halle Barry etc?
A lot of people are talking about how miserable of a watch this movie this is, and how much they dislike it, but I love this film, flaws and all. This was the last movie I was ever able to see in theaters with my father. He got me into Bond when I was young, and it was something the two of us really Bonded (pun intended ;) over. Being 17, this was the first Bond film I've seen in theaters. Initially he wasn't going to go, it was just going to be me and my mom, but the plans he had for the day fell through, so he came with us. The amount of times we elbowed each other and smiled at each other during all the Bond tropes and all the Majesty's (his favorite Bond movie) callbacks was so amazing. When Bond touched Madeline's arm during the Blofeld interrogation, he leaned in and said "he's going to die at the end" and boy was he right. By the time it happened, we both got very misty eyed. He absolutely loved it, and so do I. Unfortunately, he passed last December. Upon every rewatch, I shed many a tear everytime the ending rolls around. I'm so incredibly thankful I was able to experience this movie with him. Even with how bad some of the elements are, this movie will always hold a priceless place in my heart.
Sorry for your loss, Miles. Glad you love No Time to Die like I do.
Bond dying at the End actually made his era better for me. I'm still not the biggest fan of Craig's Bond.
Great to have you back joe! Miss scott too! you guys are the best
Daniel Craig is the only Bond who has all of his films currently residing in my Top 10 bond films. However i've only seen Spectre, Skyfall and No Time to Die once. All of the remaining Bond series have at least been seen twice some 3 or more times.
Joe, I heard you mention the film Cinema Paradiso, which somehow I missed. Just watched it for the first time and it is so beautiful and mesmerizing, hitting me in just the right way. Thank you so much for the "rec."
It’s such a great film isn’t it!? And the fact that it’s about the love of cinema makes it even more special for us cine-philes!
@@Beingjamesbond I'm actually frustrated with myself for letting it slip by for this long. I THOUGHT I was a cine-phile :) As a hardened Bond fan (and with film in general,) I'm a sucker for sentimentality.
I just rewatches QoS another time and I believe it is the hidden gem of the whole DC era. Its actually pretty artistic and innovative and in my opinion Daniel has the best style in it.
If by "artistic" you mean just pretentious hack-art. The whole Craig tenure supposedly as "James Bond" has been plagued with convoluted, cobbled together hack pretentious writing and production, yet when you actually give it an ounce of proper thought you realise none of it makes sense, it's completely hollow and just baffling and riddled with many of the absolute cheapest writing tricks in the industry - for example revealing major characters as being related somehow in an attempt to force cheap drama or perpetually forcing a dreary and miserable tone which somehow passes for being all clever and realistic these days. Not one day in my entire real life has everything looked drenched in a drab cold blue filter and everyone been constantly brooding and wise-cracking etc. Royale was good and had a lot of promise and potential that was just wasted frankly. The Craig Bond movies are a boring and miserable conundrum for me.
totally agree
. @phillipleconte3715 Quantum of Suck, indeed.
Basically,
Killed the goose that kept laying the golden eggs for sixty years.
Cannot get more WOKE than that !
The most obvious criticism of this film is that its title is contradicted by a decision to die (rather than there being no time to die).
As "No Time to Die" is very much a sequel / follow up to "Spectre", I think that the film is built on weak foundations and cannot be seen as being credible.
The last movie is not the worst by far with only Moore, Brunson and Crag fitting that mould.
I think darlington is right about this but it's going to tale 30 years before it's true. I just rewatched the original 20, going thru them at random, and coincidentally ended with Majesty's. It's always been a top 5 title for me so I kind of take its greatness for granted. Watching it last in my bond-a-thon really reminded me just how much it breaks the mold. I couldn't think of another film where they swung for the fences as hard other than NTTD.
I have a feeling this film will be looked back on over time and praised eventually that is if the series continues to grow
Terrible film. Didn't matter to me if the James Bond character was killed off or not. What mattered to me was whether the film was intelligently plotted, written, and executed. It was not. Whether Bond dies or not is incidental. Either it is a well-told story or it is not. This one is not. I hope Daniel Craig was happy with his paycheck, because it might help the medicine go down a bit easier.
As soon as the movie started we were all like “wtf is this shit?”. It didn’t even remotely resemble a Bond film. A mother & daughter in a house & the girl is a crack shot & drags a grown ass man out of a house without giving us a single reason to care. It took 10 minutes for an action sequence to happen & when it did it was ridiculous. A bomb goes off in Bond’s face point blank & he’s fine he’s just dirty like a Wiley Coyote cartoon. Then instead of being a breath of fresh air he’s a wet blanket, a stoic sulking whiner. The villain was crap. Not even remotely interesting & no strong motive. The only time it felt like a Bond movie was when that gorgeous Latina actress showed up as another agent, it was fun & energetic. It was a nice 5 minutes. Killing Bond off at the end md was so forced & over-played. They completely broke the tone of what a Bond movie is supposed to be. You’re supposed to leave the theater feeling good not bored & depressed. Fuck this movie.
Couldn't have said it better myself. And then I watched The world is not enough a few days ago, left the movie feeling cool with that theme playing add the classic James Bond will return at the end, was perfect. What happened to THAT Bond? I understand the need to do something a little different every time, but....Craig and his movies dropped the ball.
@@petersmithyy4556 and for the love of God stop using the DB five and the Aston Martin V8 Vantage I’m so sick and tired of that if your script is tight and good and it respects the lore of what James Bond supposed to be then you don’t need to have those, but if you did bring those two cars in to make us feel something in the movies, dog shit believe me, I ain’t gonna be impressed
@@KimBailey-w2g those cars Rock
@@petersmithyy4556 yes they are, and put a smile to my face when I saw the Aston Martin, V8 Vantage, because at the end of the day I am in Timothy Dalton fan
He’s back! And his beard is in full swing! Go Joe!
Well-done as usual, gentlemen. I really think/hope NTTD will gain more admirers over time--it really swung for the fences and got a lot of it right.
It really irks me that Daniel Craig had all the chops to bring a great classic Bond. But he got put under the bus by the studios, writers and other sell outs.
This is great. Lovely to hear the background on how you two became friends first of all! I was ready to jump straight into 'Camp Joe' on this argument (that's also my weekend name btw) but David makes a very solid case. Q for David: Do the flaws in the film diminish in any way the lifestyle items? I mean, it'd be hard to love that Omega less, right? But I love my Planet Ocean because it's in CR which is so great. Just wondering if the sentiment works the other way around?
Killing the Main Character in a Franchise of 60 Years is a cheap way, to top all other Endings in the Series.
Great discussion and good to see you back with a video Joe! Hoping to see a classic revisited NTTD video with you and Scott at some point, (pretty please!? Lol) as that series of Bond film reviews that you guys did was so enjoyable and definitely needs to have this one added to the collection.
I rather defend The Man with the Golden Gun and A View to a Kill than Spectre and No Time To Die because this film along with Spectre killed the franchise.
Dumbest move ever to kill off the character, then have the nerve to say James Bond Will Return. I will never pay to see another Bond movie.
I love David and his content. He has such a narrow view of the fandom and NTTD. He speaks like everyone shares his and Calvin’s opinion. I loved the film when I first saw it, and I love it even more now.
I’ll retract this comment. It ended up being a far more level headed appraisal of the film’s successes and faults than the first 15 mins suggested.
Didn’t like the ending, now I hate the entire second half of the film 😂