ACC Spotlight: Did Clemson Miss Its Window to Join the Power 2? | Conference Realignment | Tigers
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- In our video series examining realignment from the perspective of the ACC school, we take a closer look at Clemson. They are often talked about one of the top prizes from the ACC, but with their recent dip in football performance, did they miss their window to join one of the Power 2 conferences? Is there a realistic chance that Clemson could go to the Big 12?
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With its football declining (or at least not quite the powerhouse it was), will Clemson still have a spot in either the Big 10 or SEC?
Yes. While both Fla St and UNC are more attractive to conferences, we have always had a good brand following and its gone national in scale over the past decade of football success.
As an FSU fan…”yes, absolutely”
@@bleachorange - Clemson’s fanbase is second to none. I’ve been to FSU/Clemson games in Death Valley…you people are insane lol (y’all are also very cool & fun to hangout with before AND after the game…just not during it🤷🏻♂️😂)
As a Noles fan we bothfit perfectly in the SEC
Agreed, but maybe too perfectly. Will the SEC wasn't to double up on states? They're big brands, so maybe.
Laws all over this Nation support breaking contract regardless of someone signing a contract that has unenforceable penalties…. This is no exception. Why do people forget to mention that underlining detail?
I could see the SEC adding FSU and CU to not let the B1G in their territory regardless of what SC and FLA want...
Its not up to them its who offers the best deal and longevity! The Big 12 was just created and already a player at the table at the destruction of the ACC!
FLA has already petition on behalf of FSU a couple of times to get into the SEC
@@noles9998 It simplifies things for both of them. Neither CU or FSU has any trouble recruiting in general... It's doubtful moving to the SEC would change much for them as regards recruiting and that's the big argument for blocking them. Both would have that hard non-con moved to a conference game and could have four cupcakes instead like most SEC schools.
@@benjaminhawkes6693 when FSU was on even playing field they were consistently out recruiting all the SEC and Big 10. Their only competition was UF & Miami. FSU would destroy recruiting in the SEC lol
@@noles9998 I don't know... there isn't a massive amount of room to improve from 10th to 1st (and they've been on top in the ACC as is, as you suggested). The point is UF wouldn't really suffer that much from FSU getting 5-8 more bluechips each cycle if there even was a recruiting bump. That's not a good reason to vote against them... leaving no good reason.
Still not sure if Clemson will end up in the B1G, but they will be in the SEC or B1G. Miami and FSU are probably headed to the B1G. B1G should invite Clemson, Miami, UNC/GT, and FSU to create that southeastern pod. UNC? Interesting case there. Academically it will improve Clemson and FSU being in the B1G.
That's what makes this so hard to predict. There are good cases for and against just about any school.
Miami NEEDS to get a B1G invite (and as an FSU fan I very much hope they do…and I think they will), because the harsh reality is that they just aren’t built for the SEC (I don’t mean in terms of talent or ability to achieve at the highest level, they most CERTAINLY can do THAT). This isn’t a knock or a dis, but unfortunately they just don’t have their own stadium or the rabid GameDay fan support that the SEC prides itself in having….additionally they hapoen to reside in the HEART of SEC recruiting, & I don’t believe the SEC would want to run the risk of bringing in a team that could immediately put a Berlin-type wall around South Florida (Bama, UGA, & UF still carry a majority of the weight & sway amongst conference members…they know all too well that allowing Miami to come into the fold would effectively be signing their own death warrants lol
@@seminoldschool7032 If I were FSU, I might not want MIAMI along with to the B1G. The pair would still be deep on a B1G island. MIAMI being private, a more national brand, and having a history of being a geo outlier as an indy and member of the BIGEAST will likely be able to handle that island. FSU is a public #2, and it's extended fanbase is far more regional, which will be harder to maintain relevant to FLORIDA.
@tarheel7460 Again, a proven fool, fraud and troll (and bigot) has no standing nor competency to comment. Flugar banned for correctly calling you out for same (still a personal attack). I just recently had an exchange with Rogers. Again, more fraud.
tarheel7460 Again, a proven fool, fraud and troll (and bigot) has no standing nor competency to comment. When your troll posts all turn out as foolish, will you be changing handles and mass deleting them as before?
You have repeatedly misrepresented Flugar's positions by design or incompetence.
24 & 25 is going to be dominant for Clemson.
Could be. Even in their down years they've been really good.
Imagine if Texas A&M pulls a trump card and says hey we'll go to the B1G with FSU (separate from UT again) as Clemson accepts a SEC spot.
I could actually see that happening. They were obviously very unhappy when the SEC added Texas.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu its a strange time in college football anything can happen now!
They both wither on separate B1G islands surrounded by SEC competitors.
Interesting🤔. Personally I’m all for it…having A&M join the B1G with us would be nice, the B1G, like the SEC and any other conference needs to ensure they’ve got a few bottom feeders at all times…and few programs have proven to be more willing to consistently accept that roll than the Aggies
Think about a schedule in the big ten and how many miles you would need to travel.
There needs to be one correction. Clemson guy stated Nebraska was not an aau member when they Jon ed big ten; that is incorrect. They join big ten in 2010; left aau in 2011.
Good call. It was actually me who said that. What I meant was, before Nebraska officially became a member of the Big 10, which was in 2011 after the expulsion from the AAU. They were accepted in 2010, but they did not officially join until July 1, 2011.
NEB was already in the process of being expelled from the AAU when the B1G invite. It was a de facto AAU exception.
@tarheel7460 A proven fool, fraud and troll has no standing nor competency to comment.
@tarheel7460 Again, a proven fool, fraud and troll (and bigot) has no standing nor competency to comment. Flugar banned for correctly calling you out for same (still a personal attack). I just recently had an exchange with Rogers. Again, more fraud.
I've learned not to research for fools, fraud and trolls. Educate yourself.
@tarheel7460 Again, a proven fool, fraud and troll (and bigot) has no standing nor competency to comment. When your troll posts all turn out as foolish, will you be changing handles and mass deleting them as before?
The SEC’s most recent modus operandi is to pull new eye balls. New markets equal new money. The SEC has a team in South Carolina. From what I hear and can gather, they would want North Carolina, VaTech, possibly Miami for the recruiting and it being the whole other end of the state away from Flori-duh. The fourth team is the hardest one to figure. Possibly make a run at West Virginia because it leans heavy into the DC and Maryland market, or maybe Syracuse. They may stop at two more. Once the big 4 of the ACC, FSU,Clemson,Miami and North Carolina are gone, the Big 12 will pick the bones of what’s left and teams like Wake, Virginia and Syracuse could be on the outside.
I think you're on the right track. It's hard to say, because there are so many ways it could shake out.
Clemson and NC to the B1G makes some sense- there are a lot of midwestern transplants down here who would love to see their teams play in the South. Also, would revive the rivalries with Maryland!
Not sure how much rivalries with Maryland are going to spark interest, but point taken.
U of Florida stopped FSU from joining the SEC every year between 1968-1990. Yes, FSU applied for the SEC every one of those years. Denied! 22X. Now we know why FSU chose to join the ACC instead of SEV
I didn't know that. Haha, that helps explain the bad blood. It's been a long time though with different decision makers in place in a different time, so it doesn't necessarily mean they'll keep FSU out again.
Big Ten's footprint almost mirrors the NFL and NBA
I see what they're doing, but they'll continue to alienate fan bases as they continue to marginalize other teams. And at the end of the day, people that want the NFL already have it. They don't need an NFL light.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu Some seem to connect this consolidation with NIL and the legal challenges moving things towards paying players. They may have affected each other, but I see more as a coincidence. Consolidation happened when the P5 formed, and this is just another round. NIL, etc. would have eventually happened even if the original P5s were intact.
I actually think this is a good take
Take the emotion out, gentlemen. It is ALL about metrics. Follow the money.
We acknowledge that. Doesn't mean we have to like it.
If FSU and Clemson win their lawsuits and they get out of the ACC, the SEC will pick up those two teams. I would also like to see UNC and NC State in the SEC to make it 20 teams. The only other ACC teams I would be satisfied with in the SEC if they wanted more would be Virginia Tech and Miami. However, the SEC at 20 teams would be enough.
Skip the suc!
I don't see the SEC expanding until UNC is either secured or lost to the B1G. FSU and CLEMSON are disposable to the SEC, and the B1G is unlikely to want CLEMSON.
@tarheel7460 Again, a proven fool, fraud and troll (and bigot) has no standing nor competency to comment. Flugar banned for correctly calling you out for same (still a personal attack). I just recently had an exchange with Rogers. Again, more fraud.
@tarheel7460 Again, a proven fool, fraud and troll (and bigot) has no standing nor competency to comment. When your troll posts all turn out as foolish, will you be changing handles and mass deleting them as before?
I’d love FSU to come. Since 1978, Clemson and FSU have combined for nearly 80% of the ACC Championships. Those two games with Clemson and FSU gave them each their worse lost at home. I hate NC State. I hate SC. But I love to hate FSU.
Also, you didn’t mention Clemson doubling its student base, nearly tripling its endowment, investing 100 mil in research these last 2 years, and starting the process for getting both a medical and veterinary school.
Very interesting points I was unaware of. Maybe academics is less of an impediment than I realized.
Interesting! I didn't know that.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu There’s an article about it at Clemson’s website (the university). They’re planning on getting AAU membership within 10 years. Interestingly, it came out maybe 2 weeks before FSU’s lawsuit.
Also, if you read the ACC’s response to Clemson, they basically said that FSU was the mouthpiece, but Clemson was the instigator for the whole thing, starting the process in Jan 2023 with a board meeting to explore media rights legality.
Come on over to the B1G, would love to play Clemson every year against my wolverines!
@@None-dj8iy Can’t wait
The Big12 should make a play for FSU and Clemson even if it means paying them equal to SEC/B1G. Doing so you make a stronger case for getting a much bigger chunk of the playoff money. FSU and Clemson would still keep their baseball in the south and Big12 basketball would still be better than the SEC/B1G.
With that said, I'd still rather play a B1G schedule even if the money was the same. WVU would be the only team I'd strongly want to play, followed by TCU, Ok State, Utah.
How would the big12 do that? You think the current schools in the big12 would take not just less by cutting the pie in more pieces, but you want FSU and Clemson to get bigger pieces? In what crazy world would the school Presidents in the big12 ever decide to do that?
They just got rid of Texas and your trying to create another one? I'm not even sure if Texas got a bigger distribution cut, other than the Longhorn network. Anyways, that would never happen because current schools won't take less to add schools and giving new schools more would just create animosity and after a few years those schools jump to the P2 anyways.
Interesting idea I hadn't heard thrown out there, but I agree it seems unlikely. But I like the concept of the Big 12 being aggressive in getting schools instead of waiting for whoever falls to them.
@@troywest7045 In hindsight, the Big12 should have done that for UT and OU, but I don't know if that option was given or if it would have made a difference. Seems to me that the playoff distributions were all about playoff appearances, I'm sure FSU and Clemson could help the Big12 a lot in the next look in. But as I said, it still would not be my preference to go this route even if there was an offer.
Unequal distributions are a fatal long-term poison. FSU and CLEMSON would wane in power and value playing vanilla, non-regional teams.
They should…and they might🤷🏻♂️ (XII’s commissioner has already shown he’s a very forward thinking & ambitious man, wouldn’t “blow my mind” to see him swing for the fences).
Obviously I don’t “think” that’ll ever actually happen, but before you get hit with an onslaught of “worst take ever” comments I figured I’d hop in to say i appreciate your thought exercise
Did Clemson Miss Its Window to Join the Power 2? No, they'll land in the SEC if they escape the ACC.
Feels like it's where they belong, but I'm not sure whether the SEC would like to keep expanding.
@@saturdayswarriorbyuI am not a hater but I do not believe Clemson fits what we are trying to nuture in the Big Ten i.e. chemistry and natural rivalries. And this public drama by Clemson and FSU is not appealing and should be red flags for Big Ten COPC.
Is this how Clemson will act if a COPC vote doesnt go their way?
The Big Ten is the oldest and most stable conference. I do not want to see that disrupted by schools that joined for money only and dont value our rivalries and truly want to be there.
In a world that made sense, yes. But who knows anymore.
@@A1Googlersimple suggestion dnt try and plant a big 10 flag in the south as much as FSU/Clemson are trying to get money to stay relevant and all that money the Big 10 has and they really dnt win on the field , the Big 10 wants into the south so they can win more games on the field , IMO I dnt want my NOLES to go to the Big 10 ,Big 10 is vastly overrated, FSU really only wants to go Big 10 for the research dollars and if that the case you should welcome FSU with open arms but as far as athletics, Big 10 is not it
@@saturdayswarriorbyu They SEC would be fine for everything to just stop in realignment. But in light of the fact that it continues, they most definitely want Clemson and FSU in the SEC as opposed to the B10. The idea of Florida and South Carolina opposing their in-state rivals is completely erroneous. They are actually in favor of FSU and Clemson joining the SEC. The gentlemen's agreement was in real life a request by Slive for the SEC universities to please not nominate or sponsor in-state universities for the sake of the upcoming SEC network. During that round, they selected TAMU and Mizzou, which were in two new states. The gentlemen's agreement went away as soon as the network was launched.
Sec already has sc footprint with usc, and also Auburn and uga. What value add does Clemson bring as far as fb ?
That's the argument against Clemson. The argument for is their brand. People will tune in to see games like Clemson- Florida, Clemson-LSU, Clemson-Oklahoma, etc.
😂😂😂…I’m not sure I would call usc a “footprint”
Another team that can win a championship?
Clemson has 6 CFP appearances since it was created. Know who has more? ALA, with 7. Clemson's "bad" year in 2023 included beating Notre Dame and beating 2 SEC schools to finish the year 9-4. Also, USC is a shite school in the middle, literally, of nowhere. Clemson is closer to UGA than Columbia is to, well Orangeburg. Clemson's media footprint includes the Atlanta, Greenville, and Charlotte markets. This year's Clemson/UGA game at Mercedes-Benz in ATL will be sold out and a big ratings success. UGA/USC, which SCar considers their "big" SEC rival, would draw UGA and USC fans, but not nearly as many college football fans as the Clemson game will. The point is that USC is not FLA. Their location doesn't improve the SEC's footprint, but Clemson, and FSU, would. Along those lines, do you need two teams in Mississippi? Alabama? Tennessee? Texas? It actually seems like having 2 teams per state is the norm in the SEC. Adding Clemson, in the Upstate of SC, and FSU, in the panhandle of FL, would make more sense than adding absolutely any other ACC school; sure UVA and UNC are pretty to look at, but the SEC doesn't need any more Vandy's.
I agree that the argument in favor of adding Clemson and FSU is that they will draw ratings, even if they don't get you into new states. At this point, media is pretty much all national anyway.
Dislike for bringing on Bobby Dirkens. The guy doesn't understand football outside of Clemson. And no, I'm not talking about the character.
Case in point: FSU doesn't hate Clemson. Nobody hates Clemson except SCAR. Clemson is more of an annoyance to FSU.
No to the title as well. Clemson may not be a great fit for the B1G, but they are a natural fit for the SEC and would add value.
"Clemson is more of an annoyance to FSU?" I think beating FSU 9 games in the last 10 years would be more than an annoyance. Miami would be an annoyance, but Clemson is a little more than that for FSU. I agree that we don't hate each other, but besides Fla, no one really hates FSU. Meanwhile, UGA and Clemson have hated each other since the 1980's. Clemson and UGA are also the closest major teams in college football, with Clemson being closer to Athens than Columbia, Knoxville or Tallahassee. That would be some great natural rivalries: Clemson/TENN, Clemson/UGA, Clemson/Scar, FSU/FLA, FSU/UGA, FSU/Clemson, UGA/UF, UGA/TENN, Scar/UGA, etc...
@@ChasYoshi The truth hurts, doesn't it?
Miami(FL) hates FSU. UGA doesn't hate Clemson.
BTW, it's only 8 out of the last 10. FSU beat Clemson 11 times in a row. Let me know when Clemson does that. Clemson doesn't even have a winning record against FSU in their own stadium.
@@encycl07pedia- I'm sorry: 8 times out of 10. Last year, you had to go to OT to do it, and then, this happened:
The No. 6 Georgia Bulldogs completely crushed No. 5 Florida State 63-3 at the Hard Rock Stadium in Miami, FL. It was the largest margin of victory in a bowl game, with Georgia breaking its own record. WoW!
@@ChasYoshi See? You're just seething and I'm just laughing. FSU's practice squad sure didn't do very well, but that was an expected outcome based on who was and wasn't playing. lol.
So you think a divorce is unethical as well? (8:30)
What I don’t get is why EVERYONE willfully chooses to gloss over the fact that a “contract” is an agreement BETWEEN parties that promises BOTH will fulfill THEIR obligations…and I don’t know why EVERYONE keeps choosing to skirt past the part where FSU, Clemson, UNC, & a couple other ACC teams have argued that the “contract” is VOID becasue the ACC has NOT honored or fulfilled THEIR obligations.
If you get married, get sick, your wife starts syphoning money out of your “mutual bank account” behind your back while fucking other men & you find out…you file for divorce (i.e. to break the contract) on account of HER violating the terms of agreement.
@@seminoldschool7032 If one party to a contract fails to fulfill their obligations, then they are in breach of contract. That's why if you are married and you cheat on your partner, you generally get a much worse settlement. Not only has the ACC failed to negotiate a favorable ESPN contract for its most profitable brands, it has: built a new conference headquarters in Charlotte, NC and mandated that the football championship game remains there too, while most, really all, non-revenue championship games will rotate between Raliegh, Cary (NC), Greensboro, Winston-Salem (NC) and various other North Carolina cities. That's ALL of THEM! The ACC is an academic/basketball conference, unequally (and possibly illegally) dominated by the State of North Carolina,. That's the position ACC leadership negotiates from. Meanwhile, we have the two Florida teams, an Atlanta team, two Virginia teams, and outliers like Syracuse, BC, SMU, Stanford and Cal, who get totally left out in the cold. What if the football championship rotated between Nashville, Orlando, and DC? Basketball could rotate between CLT, Greenville, SC, Greensboro and Asheville, NC. Richmond, VA and Norfolk, VA could host some Olympic sports, and other championship games could rotate through the Raleigh-Durham triangle, while adding Miami, NYC and Boston. Having the ACC men's basketball championship at Madison Square Garden? Hells yeah! but no, the ACC, regardless of maximizing the conference's TV deal is more interested in keeping NEARLY EVERYTHING in NC. Just another example of the ACC ignoring its fiduciary responsibilities. Clemson, FSU, Miami, Duke, UNC, NCSt, UVA, VATECH will find a better home, and BC, SYR, WAKE, GATECH, SMU, STAN, and CAL can stay, the ACC can add more crap teams like MEM, HOU, USF, or even VANDY if the SEC kicks them out. CLEM, FSU, UNC, NCSTATE (NC law says they have to be in the same conference) to the SEC, DUKE and MIA, to the B1G and VATECH and UVA to the Big12 (they have the same law as NC does.) The ACC survives as a mid-level Big12 lookalike, the teams that dominate the ACC get the money/ competition they deserve, and the B1G expands its footprint into the South with two excellent academic universities. Problems solved! and screw NC!
@@seminoldschool7032 Again with the marriage thing: If your wife is siphoning off your money and fucking the guy next door, she is IN BREACH of the marital contract, and when you file for divorce, you won't be giving her another dime. The point is, the ACC is the one screwing around on CU and FSU. They are not just banging one neighbor, they're banging UNC, WAKE, DUKE, and NCST on a rotating basis, along with the entire State of North Carolina. They have been operating under a policy of Soludatory Neglect outside of NC, and the top ACC teams have gotten fucked because of ACC negligence:
1.
regarding the ESPN deal,
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by adding nonsense teams,
3. focusing on basketball.
In overt and covert action, and with malice aforethought, the ACC has routinely ignored the requirements of some signatories of this "contract," putting the ACC into overt non-compliance which should lead to the immediate annulment of the agreement, followed by a conference-wide vote on the membership of the ACC and its future direction. CU and FSU can get a no-fault divorce, along with UNC or MIA, and the rest can get the band back together, minus B1G and SEC-bound teams, or whatever the fuck they want to do. The point is, that the Grant of Rights is unenforceable and the entire agreement is null and void due to ACC machinations. Clemson made a good point in their lawsuit, that if a team leaves the ACC, and is no longer affiliated with it, then the ACC has no standing to confiscate home game revenues through 2036. If the divorce is finalized, your wife can't return for half of your vacation home in a year. Whew...
I don't see the B1G taking anymore teams till the next media deal in 2030. Fox just bumped up the current media deal to add Wa/Or and apparently weren't thrilled about it. So even if they begrudgingly did it again to add a couple ACC schools, it wouldn't be anymore than they gave last year for Wa/Or which is half shares till 2030. Seems like from what I'm hearing from ACC fans is that's not something they are interested in, so it's ESPN right? Yeah I'm sure ESPN would like 2-4 of the top ACC schools, but they also are in the middle of their media deal in the SEC, although if the aren't paying the ACC deal they would have extra money, but knowing that ACC teams need homes ESPN could low ball and offer partial shares, they have all the leverage in that case.
Also, it could take time for all of this to play out. Maybe it takes a few years and the financial situation is different for the networks too.
Weren't thrilled? Fox is the one that wanted it to happen!
@@None-dj8iyEcstatic at half shares.
If any school becomes available that both the SEC and B1G want, neither can risk a delay or a partial share offer. I suspect that both the SEC & B1G have already prepared to act immediately upon such a contingency.
😂😂😂…good luck with that foresight😂
It would be amazing to see either the B1G or SEC come out and snag Clemson, FSU, and UNC together, but one thing is for sure. We do hate Clemson, but we would love to be their travel partner. That said, Tony Altimore sucks. I remember him being on GNB Dude's videos always talking about how the PAC would survive. The guy is a clown.
Tony turned out to be an incompetent realignment analyst and some bigotry would slip out on occasion. I do still generally trust his data, just not the conclusions.
Yes, I take his work with a grain of salt. Despite his flaws, there is some interesting data. But more importantly, he helped lift the curtain to the politics and non sports factors that could influence realignment.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu I'd argue Tony largely failed because he didn't properly account for a lot of non-athletic factors.
@tarheel7460 A proven fool, fraud and troll has no standing nor competency to comment.
@tarheel7460 Again, a proven fool, fraud and troll has no standing nor competency to comment. Flugar banned for correctly calling you out for same. I just recently had an exchange with Rogers. Again, more fraud.
FLS could be suit for false accusation. FLS signed contract knowing all the facts before hand!
What conference will they go to and will those conference will exceptem?
TV rating is more important. whose is GT or clemson(Cycle good yrs or bad yrs.).
First they were coerced into the 2016 extension and secondly three B1G is ready to take them as soon as they get out of the always crappy conference!
What is FLS?
😂😂😂best of luck with that scenario😂😂
@@encycl07pedia- Florida Liturgical Society
Clemson and FSU cannot join the Big Ten while submerged in drama. The Big Ten also has a GOR. And disagreements should be worked out behind closed doors through Big Ten COPC, not in court or MSM. This is a hot mess I want no part of.
In theory, the mess will be resolved before they could join.
😂😂congrats!!…I was on here looking for the dumbest, most unoriginal, most mindlessly recycled fake eSECpn narrative comment I could find…and you nailed it😂😂👍🏻
@@seminoldschool7032 Upper right schools don't handle matters like this as FSU has. A declaratory judgment request can be defended as an acknowledged necessity.
@@tarheel7406 FSU just asked for a Change of Venue, which was not granted. Change of Venue is a lowball play and is one of those things you do because why not? Having ACC contract litigation in NC, SC, or FL, is meaningless.
@@ChasYoshi I have not weighed in on the venue and jurisdiction questions. Not sure why this is relevant to my earlier comment.
I did say earlier that once venue/jurisdiction has been determined than CLEMSON, etc. may move to split the case to separate out the dec request and join FSU on those questions, but CLEMSON has since decided to file a completely separate case.
C’mon Brian. You know damn well they’re out of the ACC. It’s all over but the crying.
I can't see them staying now, but they are playing nicer than FSU. Maybe hedging a little.
To where is CLEMSON going?
@@saturdayswarriorbyu …I think less “hedging” & more “we don’t have a solid offer waiting for us like FSU does soooo we better not touch this fucking bridge just yet”🤷🏻♂️😂
@@tarheel7406 I think it all depends on who’s available at the time. If it’s something where the big 4 in the ACC are available, I see Clemson and UNC to the SEC, FSU and UVA to the B1G. If the UNC infighting is still going, and the NC State stuff, then I see Clemson and FSU to the B1G while the other gets sorted out.
@@rogerwalker3409 Nah. B1G interest in CLEMSON is very unlikely. Low brand inertia, non-AAAU, #2 in a small state, few synergies with just FSU. Absent being part of a much larger ACC bloc to the B1G, bad choice for both parties.
The SEC in very unlikely to expand unless UNC is either secured or lost to the B1G. CLEMSON needs the synergies that SEC matchups bring to mitigate against its historical low brand inertia. In the end, CLEMSON wisely allies with UNC and both eventually go SEC.
This is why I can see FSU leaving alone, but I can't see only FSU and CLEMSON leaving unless one or both are BIG12 bound.
Just to be clear, Clemson was NEVER “at the bottom of the ACC”. True they weren’t “elite” 12-20 years ago buuut they were ALWAYS still one of the upper echelon teams in the conference.
🤦🏻♂️can’t believe this dude got me hopping on here to argue for the Tigers😂
He probably got confused because Clemson lost to Duke. lol
They had a lot of 4-4 and 5-3 records in conference. Not a bottom feeder, but not good for a conference not known for its depth in football.
@@encycl07pedia- but then beat Notre Dame and finished up beating two SEC teams.
@@ChasYoshi Let me know when you beat an SEC team with less than 6 losses. Kentucky and SCAR aren't exactly good. XD But kudos on beating the same team Louisville dominated.
FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, and a few more should join the Big12. Play espn vs Fox sports against each other.
We'll gladly take them!
I love your silly comments, man.
They would be better off waiting out the GOR and then going to market.
I think Louisville should ABSOLUTELY join the XII…not because they aren’t good enough for the B1G or SEC (personally I always have & continue to believe the Cardinals are a sleeping giant)…but they could be THAT TEAM in the XII practically overnight. They’d be able to recruit much better than any existing member, they’d have a great platform to grow their brand exponentially over the first ensuing decade & who the hell knows where CFB will be 10 years from now🤷🏻♂️…the only thing we can be certain of is “bigger brands” will outlast smaller ones.
@@seminoldschool7032
a) Per their standards, preferences and needs, L"VILLE is unlikely to be good enough for the SEC or B1G.
b) No non-P2 football program will be able to compete at the Tier 1 level, and Tier 2 programs will move towards parity due to the effects of the consolidation. There likely won't be "that team" in any Tier 2 conference, but maybe.
c) The P5 remainders would be smarter to align along more non-football concerns. From that perspective, the new BIG12 may very well be best for L'VILLE.
The Power number 2. Yep that sounds like a turd conference set up. Makes a good skibidi toilet meme though.
College sports are becoming less and less worthy of my limited entertainment time. The NCAA basketball tournaments are still good though. Hopefully the won't make the new football playoff suck with just two lame megacorporation CONferences.
I'll skip paying attention to the regular seasons when they kill off the conferences.
That's my concern.
Crazy talk if U think the big 3 Conference’s are going to 20+ teams and play in PODS 😎
…we’ll get ready for “crazy” then😂
😂😂there is no big three! Just two!
There will be no peer "big 3".
@tarheel7460 Moron... So how will there be a third peer P3 (Big 3)?
@tarheel7460 Again, a proven fool, fraud and troll (and bigot) has no standing nor competency to comment. Flugar banned for correctly calling you out for same (still a personal attack). I just recently had an exchange with Rogers. Again, more fraud.
I do not want Clemson in the Big Ten. But I do not see ESPN welcoming Clemson or FSU to the SEC after this drama.
I would prefer UNC, Virginia, Miami, etc. But I do not know the media numbers, etc. However, I am all for travel partners for Penn St, Maryland, and Rutgers.
Is that sentiment one you hear across the Big 10?
I'm now hearing a lot of unexpected stuff about UVA, including passing on SEC overtures. This could mean a hard package with VATECH has eliminated P2 options. UVA preferring the B1G rather than going with UNC to the SEC. Even abandoning Tier 1 ambitions for football and staying in a Tier 2 ACC.
@tarheel7460 Again, a proven fool, fraud and troll (and bigot) has no standing nor competency to comment. Flugar banned for correctly calling you out for same (still a personal attack). I just recently had an exchange with Rogers. Again, more fraud.
@tarheel7460 Again, a proven fool, fraud and troll (and bigot) has no standing nor competency to comment. When your troll posts all turn out as foolish, will you be changing handles and mass deleting them as before?
SEC is not going to take anyone, TX & Oklahoma won’t ever go for it. Big 10 will take 2 FSU & Notre Dame. The Big 12 will only take 2 Pitt & Louisville. THE REASON IS WE ARE NOT GOING TO PODS. It’s too many teams, so that would mean a 4 team Conference Championship playoff, before the CFP. That’s why to many games 🤔
You don't think the Big 12 would take VT and NCST too?
I do agree with no pods. Conferences are moving away from divisions, I don't think they'll now go all the way to pods.
Delusional....
a) The SEC is not going to pass on either UVA or UNC if either or both become available. They have wanted for decades.
b) ND can't really move until 2036 absent a lot of other stuff. Wouldn't want to move if only FSU left the ACC.
c) L'VILLE and PITT aren't leaving an ACC that only lost FSU.
@tarheel7460 Moron... Word is that UVA is rejecting the SEC.
Again, a proven fool, fraud and troll (and bigot) has no standing nor competency to comment. Flugar banned for correctly calling you out for same (still a personal attack). I just recently had an exchange with Rogers. Again, more fraud.
FSU & Notre Dame to the Big 10 . Notre Dame stays Independent, it’s North Carolina. Clemson only shot is the Big 12 , but we will take Pitt & Louisville first. No Conference is going to PODS
If Clemson doesn't get an invite to the P2, I can't see the Big 12 passing on them.
a) How is ND mobile prior to 2036?
b) Why would CLEMSON go to the BIG12 if ACC depletion is lite? Or PITT & L'VILLE?
What a joke! There's a reason Clemson and FSU are the only schools suing and being countersued by the ACC. They both are sure they have landing spots in the B1G or SEC. B1G isn't going to add one Florida team by itself, with the next closest one being in Happy Valley. Clemson and FSU are a package. If the B1G is so concerned with academics, why didn't they scoop up Stanford? Because they have a football team that was the Wake Forest of the PAC12. Same with Cal, great school, Silicone Valley. B1G passed. Why? No football. UNC has been cheated for and advertized for and coddled by the ACC for 50 years. The truth is, UNC isn't even the best school in the ACC. Not even close. Besides basketball, fencing, dressage, and such, what does UNC bring to the table? Hell, even South Carolina fills up their 80,000-seat stadium, and they're historically terrible. BIG12!! ROFL!!
@tarheel7460 Again, a proven fool, fraud and troll (and bigot) has no standing nor competency to comment. Flugar banned for correctly calling you out for same (still a personal attack). I just recently had an exchange with Rogers. Again, more fraud.
@tarheel7460 Again, a proven fool, fraud and troll (and bigot) has no standing nor competency to comment. When your troll posts all turn out as foolish, will you be changing handles and mass deleting them as before?