The Hidden Irony in this Bible Verse.
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- New Agers love to (mis)use Psalm 82 and John 10:34 to say that the Bible teaches that humanity is godlike. In this clip, I'll point out a flaw in their logic and misunderstanding of these scriptures that's quite ironic.
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Our pastor is going through the book of John with us on Sundays and it is just amazing how many times Jesus confirms and outright states not only His divinity, but His equality with the Father, and His perfect sync with the Father’s will.
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Thank you, I'm also coming out of New Age and learning more about Christ and now it makes me angry when I hear other people claiming to be god and that all of us are gods.
Your words are relatable to me as well.
This was a very well-articulated explanation of that verse. Thanks Melissa! God bless
Glad it was helpful!
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The day before you published this, my husband and I were having a conversation about this very thing. He believes that men are gods, and I tried to explain to him that what I glean from Psalm 82 is that the passage was about judges who are misusing/abusing their power. This was so timely! Thank you for sharing!
Psalm 82 isn't about human judges nor is the word elohim ever used of humans. Tht belief is based on 2 passages in exodus, 22:8 and 21:6, where elohim should be read as God instead of judges because the plural form of elohim is most commonly used to refer to the singular God of Israel YHWH and it is never used of humans. The judges who were appointed in Exodus 18 were not even called elohim in their appointment which is where you would expect it if anywhere n they were appointed to deal with the minor petty issues to keep the ppl from driving Moses crazy. The bigger issues were still brought before YHWH through Moses and in exodus 21:6 the ppl had already made their choice so there was no need for a judge. Elohim is just a generic term that the Biblical authors use to refer to a spiritual being. Psalm 82 is about YHWH excoriating and condemning to an end times judgment the gods of the gentile nations, members of His divine council who rebelled and failed to rule justly... Read Deuteronomy 32:8-9 and Psalm 89:5-7. YHWH divorced Himself from the nations after Babel as a judgment against humanity for the Babel incident and He alotted to the nations lesser gods also known as sons of god to rule over them, YHWH then took Abraham n created His own nation Israel. You never have anywhere in the OT jewish elders or any humans for tht matter in a council in the skies ruling over the Gentile nations. There is only one candidate and it's the sons of God referenced in Deuteronomy 32:8-9. Everywhere in the OT where you have sons of god it is always referring to divine beings. When Jesus quotes Psalm 82 he's not referring to humans He is reminding them that their own Scriptures tell them that there are sons of god who are more than mortal which is why He asks them how do they say that He is blaspheming for claiming to be the son of god n even more so He is claiming to be the Lord of the Council which means Jesus is quite literally claiming to be the destroyer of the gods n thts awesome!!! also just a bit of common sense will tell u tht Psalm 82 isn't about humans because in the Psalm YHWH tells the gods that they will die like men. Why would u tell a human that they are going to due like a human lol like gee YHWH thnx 4 the update captain obvious 😂 no He tells them they will die like men because they are divine beings and YHWH is going to destroy them. Also the psalmist gives it away at the end of the psalm when he says rise up O God and judge the earth for you shall inherit the nations. Well, who is over the Gentile nations? Its not jewish elders lol its the sons of god from Deuteronomy 32:8-9.. the Apostle Paul makes very clear reference to this when he says we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, powers, rulers, authorities, spiritual wickedness in the heavenly realm. Those are all terms of geographical rulership... gee golly gosh I wonder who Paul is talking about... hmm... lol it's the sons of god from Deuteronomy 32, the old gods of the nations... Paul knew exactly who he was going up against being the Apostle to the Gentiles...
Melissa, I just love the way you articulate truth. Thank you! ❤
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Think of the story of Job. Psalm 82:1 refers specifically to the same council that sits with God in the story of Job as the acuser tries to convince God that Job will be unfaithful.
From an ancient Hebrew point of view, the "angels" were lesser spirit beings that have been referred to as gods since then.
Thank you for that message. Typically it’s people who don’t read the entire Bible with prayer for understanding that can take a single verse and make a false doctrine out of it. I see it all the time where even evangelical Christians take a couple of verses that seem to say one thing, yet the biblical teachings as a whole say just the opposite.
I wish every “Jehovah’s Witness” would hear this!!! And you explain it so humbly, accurately and conclusively! Blessings on you for a beautiful explanation!
Excellent explanation Melissa, loved it. 🇬🇧🙏🙏🙏
"Trust me Bro, this is what Jesus really meant. No need to read the Bible, just buy my books and trust me bro" - Deepak Chopra, Eckhart Tolle, Marianne Williamson, et al.
Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life!
Rhonda Byrne, Sarah Young, Richard Rohr...
and Oprah delivered all the new age lies😢
I’m wondering what happened to Steven Bancarz
Thank you for this important thought this morning.
Thank you. That was quoted all the time in Religious Science! Is the word used in that passage elohim? I’ve been taught that elohim is used in a variety of ways in scripture - that its sort of a generic term for “god” or “gods” and is even used to refer to human earthly political rulers - like a “lord.”
Not a quick answer …but study “The Divine Council” as taught by Michael Heiser …lots of his videos of him teaching this … Do not listen to the one offs… Get it from the horses mouth it will blow your minds. #Psalm82
It's Psalm 82.6, fwiw.
@@sandyhardy3419no, heiser had some skewed information. Not recommended.
yes it is! other verses in which elohim/God is translated to judges are in Exodus 21:6, 22:8-9. it’s also seen in Genesis 23:6 and Exodus 9:28 as ‘mighty’
@@sunnydaze1185 What is skewed in Heiser’s work? I used to listen to some of his talks. I found him interesting.
Love your video dear sister
Mahalo's for your articulation Sis....Go girl Go! Glory be to Christ!
See Psalm 82:1 & Strong’s 430 and 2 Corinthians 4:4 & Strong’s 2316. Theologically interesting.
Thanks for sharing something that may be easily misconstrued
Christianity teaches SEPARATION from God (based on the writings of the ancient Latin/Catholic Church) ... Sadly, Christians don't recognize the Divinity within mankind ... because to the Church, God is OUTWARD instead of INWARD. Call me crazy, but I have to give some credit to the "New Agers" - they actually have it RIGHT in that one only has to look WITHIN to recognize Divinity. You are all created from the same Divine SPIRIT, of that which is called "God." - That means we are ALL one ... not separate as the modern Church teaches. Remember this the next time you criticize someone ... because you are only criticizing YOURSELF. The Christians were blinded a long time ago by the re-written Catholic scriptures ... that's why I recommend the original KOINE GREEK scriptures.
Thus shall you say to them: “The gods who did not make the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under the heavens.” Jeremiah 10:11
Excellent little lesson well spoken!
Thank you for getting to the point and keeping it short. I got away for a while due to 60 and 90 minute videos.
2:09 "the father of the devil"? I think you misspoke
Excellent as usual….Thank you Abba & Melissa 😊
Thar was excellent! "Jesus claimed exclusive divinity" ... good note to write I. My Bible! Thx!
(Lionoffireraw)recommended this channel and he is right, this is teaching what is in accordance with the truth.
Glory to God.
You’re so well versed. Thanks
Good explanation Melissa!💗
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also many people use GODS grace and forgiveness for an excuse to live in sin. And see no need to repent to be forgiven
I really prefer Michael heiser 's view on Psalm 82 and John 10:34. That is, both of these are talking about the Divine Council in heaven. An assembly of divine beings, not human judges, not Jewish leaders. See Heiser on these two passages as part of his larger discussion of the Divine Council for a fulsome explanation. I think it fits better than the common idea of the gods being human judges
Yeah.... eye opening. I was introduced to Michael and his teaching on the Divine Council just a month or so ago and now I can not unsee it.
Nope, Heiser not recommended 😢 too much to go into....
@@sunnydaze1185well, if you can't go into it, I think I'll just ignore that for now. I found Heiser deeply insightful and has really changed the way. I look at the Old Testament in a very very good way.
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@@corderoemc148 yes! fantastic, eye opening. wonderful researcher and teacher. we miss him.
Melissa over here just comin out with B A N G E Rs left and right. Keep up the videos! I love hearing you talk about ideas even when I disagree
Jesus was just stating facts!
Jesus was quoting from Psalm 82 which is about the "elohim" of the Divine Council - about actual created heavenly beings who rebelled. It's not about human judges in the Old Testament, as that would make no sense. First of all, nowhere is "elohim" applied to humans and Jesus is defending His two claims to be God right before and after John 10:34. It would not be a defense of His divinity if Jesus were saying humans in the scriptures were called "gods" therefore He can call Himself God. In Psalm 82, God is taking His place among the elohim of His Divine Council and declaring that they will meet the same fate as humanity, so they are not in the same category as humans or that declaration would make no sense either. Jesus appeals to this verse to show there are other categories that His enemies were aware of beyond the human.
How do you know that all of the elohim of the divine council were rebellious? What about the angels who didn’t rebel, like Michael and Gabriel?
@@garyslabaugh1863 I think you're right on that because God interacts with them in 1 Kings 22:19-23, well after the rebellion.
@@garyslabaugh1863 I don't think all the elohim of the Divine Council are rebellious. The text demonstrates that a certain number are
@@thomasjohns65 I agree, that's another look into the Divine Council. Clearly it's about heavenly beings in consult with God for a task. They are not human judges on earth
@@garyslabaugh1863 Not all of them rebelled, certainly some did
And yet Moses "appeared as God to the pharaoh"......I agree "were not Gods".....but sometimes "it sure looks like it"
I believe that, as you read the Bible, you need to retain a consistent point of view to your understanding of what it says. I like to take it as literally as possible, until the Holy Spirit highlights, or even shows me something in the Scripture that I am reading. As the Bible says, He is always the same spirit, Therefore He is not going to give any two of us wildly different meanings. Also, the Bible says that, "no scripture is of any private interpretation."
I know you weren't trying to preach there per se, but sister - that was some good preaching!
For all the gods of the peoples are idols, But the LORD made the heavens. Ps:96:5 It's idolatry that is in many churches.
Hey Melissa, great video! Here is something interesting about the religious leaders during Jesus’s time when He was on Earth 2000 years ago. In John chapter 8 Jesus was verbally jousting with the religious leaders about who they are. These religious leaders are not Roman leaders or Jewish leaders. But these religious leaders were appointed by Rome not God. Israel was not a nation at the time Jesus was on earth. They were under the occupation of the Roman empire at this time.
Now in John 8:38 thru 47 Jesus tells us exactly who these religious leaders are and who their father is. Notice the lower-case letter for the word father in John 8:38, 41 and 44.
In the Strong’s concordance check out in the Hebrew dictionary 7014 and 7017. These are the Kenites.
A number of the Pharisees and Sadducees during Jesus’s time where these Kenites. These are the same group of people that had Jesus killed! So, who are these Kenites? Jesus told us exactly in John 8:44 who they are. And who was Jesus referring too when He said “He was a murderer from the beginning?” So, who was the first murderer in the Bible? Give Genesis 4:8 a read and you will have your answer. Again, thanks for great video…………..
Jesus Said to them, if you See Me, then you have Seen the Father!!!
Psalm 82 is the foundation (along with the shema) which obliterates the mistranslation by JWs of John 1:1. The Word can’t be a god because all little g gods will be judged like humans.
how in this verse is Jesus claiming exclusive divinity? He isn't claiming deity, He's claiming authority....by being the Son of God and fully submitted to the will of God.
essentially, because Jesus is perfectly acting in self-denial and submittance, anything Jesus says or does is equal to it being said or done by God. to the point where Jesus even says, if you've seen Me you've seen the Father. He isn't claiming to be the Father or a deity/divine, He is claiming to be the Son of God, the promised Christ from the Davidic covenant
as you said, Jesus was a monotheistic Jew. knowing full well that He isn't divine, but a man, the Son of God..not God Himself. If Jesus was claiming divinity then the pharisees would have been in the right to try to kill him for blasphemy. and Jesus probably would have agreed with that, because a monotheistic Jew could never and would never claim to be divine or God.
Jesus literally never once claims to be God or claims to be the Father. it is however fully spelled out in scripture that isn't robbery for Him to be considered equal with God, because the reasons why i stated above. Jesus was perfectlly self-denied and submitted to the Fathers will, hence "the Father and I are one". this is echo'd all throughout John time and time again.
John is such a misinterpreted book all throughout Christianity because of our greek, dualist driven minds. for some reason we view John almost like a different language, where its words are capable of contradicting everything else said consistently throughout scripture. that isn't the case.
Melissa, can you explain why Jesus was teaching Peter to walk on water? Or how later Peter was able to raise someone from the dead. Or even the apostle Paul when it says he raised someone from the dead. To me, Peter and Paul preformed god like acts. That Jesus wants us to become like him and to do the very things he did. Hence, we have divine potential.
the point around 2:00 is just a misunderstanding -- jesus is not calling anybody anything -- he is just quoting the psalm, which says, in the present tense "i have said you are gods". he does not say that the psalm applies to his opponents -- he is saying that the psalm is part of their scripture, so it cannot be blasphemous. and, if the non-blasphemous psalm uses the term "gods" to address beings other than the one true god, then, jesus is also not blaspheming when he calls himself the son of man. in summary, the jews say that jesus claims equality with god, but he answers that he does not.
It is absolutely misunderstood by many! I also put it forth to the newagers: if you are god, then how disappointing is that definition, in comparison to Yahweh who literally created all things and is perfectly merciful, etc?
@@HotepOurobo that response was just as vague and obtuse as every New Age concept.
@@HotepOurobo communion with God is definitely the furthest thing from being disappointing...but it doesn't mean you are equal to God, or an independent God. Or are even a lowercase god. You're a human.
@@melindamercier6811Not for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear…
@@HotepOurobo Jesus prayed to the Father, and spoke of Him as another person...but the Father didn't exist outside of himself? I encourage you to read and ponder scripture more, as it would help clear up the confusion, or at least prevent you from speaking of Jesus/Yehoshua from an incorrect perspective. I probably won't comment much further, as I'm not interested in spending time trying to convince someone of things they're convinced against.
@@HotepOuroboIt was a false light. Satan parades around as if he’s a being of light. Often when someone says they’ve been a victim of indoctrination, it either relates to the Christian culture, being taught some false teachings, or a misunderstanding/misapplication of a teaching. I’d be curious to know what made you dissatisfied with your previous Christian beliefs.
Good lord, what a horrible translation!
This video helped me appreciate just how distorted the NIV is.
Thanks so much. Truth
Too bad you're NOT cessationist, because that's what we clearly witness.
I still don't get it, is the old testament wrong?
The concept of man becoming a god is not New Age. That's a lie. The Orthodox church has a doctrine called Theosis.
You misinterpret the bible just not to accept the obvious meaning.
Even granting theosis is true, the problem is definitional and what is meant by "deification". The EO's idea isn't the same as new age or the various polytheistic ideologies
Nicely handled.
.......Psalm 82:6-7
King James Version
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
....never humble.
If we are told by God that we are gods, then we should trust that fact. If one does not believe it maybe they should ask God when, how, etc and for further understanding.
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Many of us seek the help of the Holy Spirit in our life. The Breath of God is the Holy Spirit. Remember we are told by Jesus that His words are spirit and they are life.
Does anyone really think that we can go to a foreign land and never learn their laws, customs, rules or regulations etc.?
Yet we all want to go to heaven or some say they are ready for heaven to come to earth with Jesus as our King. Well don't you think that if it does happen that He will never apply His laws or His Father's laws etc. to His Kingdom?
We are to assimilate into His Kingdom and how do we do that if we have no acess to His laws, ways etc.? Remember those who teach against the law would be the least in the Kingdom.
Him in you, you in Him?
Jesus is The Word, John 1:1-5
The Word God spoke: Exodus 20:1
The Word God wrote: Deuteronomy 4:13
and The Word God made flesh John 1:14
Jesus is the law that hung on the cross as well as the law God wrote upon our heart. If Jesus is in you, you must get in Him. Our directions are found in Deut. 6:8-9. Be a disciple of Jesus and trust in no man. He is our anointing and is to go before us.
(Anoint is the Greek verb chrio (from which we derive Christos = Christ = the Anointed One) occurs 4 other times in Scripture and all refer to Christ (Lk 4:18, Acts 4:27, Acts 10:38, Heb 1:9) The related noun chrisma describes the anointing with the Holy Spirit ALL believers receive when they receive Christ (1Cor 12:13)
We all know it seems like we have been lied to in almost everything. It is time we seek God's truth for ourselves and allow Him to teach us in the way we should go. As Paul would say, "put on Jesus". Our instructions are found in the throughout the Bible. Don't stop seeking the Armour of God until your feet are armed in peace.
We call the Armour, love bands, we pray that all will come to love the law as David and ourselves have. May our God go will us all and that all walk in peace and the grace of God.
let's practice our religion, be doers of The Word. Are we ready for His Kingdom to come?
Since Gd is the one and only Truth and it is absolutely illogical for multiple truths to exist, it is therefore impossible for there to be more than one Gd. HOWEVER, there logically can be extensions of Gd. Extensions of Gd ARE Gd. But there are different parts and levels of Gd just like there are different parts and levels to humans. Gd is the head but believers are his body. Gd's offspring are inescapably innately also gds. But they are eternally completely dependent on the Father for all things. We are branches of Js vine therefore we are Js but he is the main vain.
@@HotepOurobo Yep. The scriptures say we ALSO are lights and ch ldr n of The Light. The scriptures repeatedly and profoundly describe us the way Gd is also described. BUT the catch is that we are only extensions or branches growing out of Gd and are eternally utterly dependent upon Gd.
@@HotepOurobo
I'm not into new age stuff. Open minded but I got enough on my plate just from the supernatural stuff the Bible teaches. The comparisons I gave are directly found in scripture and the logic backing them is too. For example, Genesis records that EVERY Kind of lifeform reproduces the same Kind of creature. There are zero life forms currently known that defy this, therefore Gd would reproduce little gds. But that's only logically possible if they are extensions of himself rather than absolute independent beings.
@@HotepOurobo I'll take a peek. 👍
Amen! I believe! Praise the Lord, He’s brought me out of utter depravity! 😇🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for rightfully defending and promoting the word of Jesus Christ!
can i ask a very personal question? your youtube channel came up on my feed so we looked for a couple of weeks we understand that having being in the life you had you wanted to warn people about your past experience BUT is that really what the LORD asked us to do?? Just an observation?
Apologizing for not being Reformed or Cessationist.
lol 😂
Keep up the awesome work, I am learning each day!
Melissa > Thank You for your work.
For reference, for those wondering, Jesus was quoting Psalm 82:6
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You have a red light on one side and a blue light on the other side, and a round crystal of some sort on the shelf. And the picture looks somewhat magickal, for lack of a better term.
@LynneLohmann Well, i wouldn't expect a non magical person to notice that, but people of the craft tend to surround themselves with a magical environment, yard, ect,
I'm not saying she is/was craft, more like new age, but still it was just an observation.
Melissa, your comment about not being reformed made me wonder: what are your thoughts on John Piper? I was introduced to TULIP by a camp counselor when I was in high school, and to be honest, it CRUSHED me because it made God seem like a cold, callous being who isn't actually concerned with the eternal destiny of individual people. Taken to it's most extreme, it makes God look like He's more concerned with His own glory even above loving people, to the point where He arbitrarily chooses individuals both to enlighten and to send to hell. For the next few years after that, I really struggled in my relationship with the Lord, feeling He was distant or wondering if I was really one of the "chosen" ones.
At this point, I would say I'm a 3-4 point "Calvinist," just based on my interpretation of what the Bible has to say. After lots of digging into the Word and watching videos on what different apologists have to say (Mike Winger, for example), I feel more secure in what I believe. And I can see God's love all throughout Scripture as He reaches out to those who don't know Him, so that helps me to believe that He is truly a God of compassion and of mercy who cares about individual people.
Still, I think it's a shame that the Calvinism debate causes so much division in the church. It seems like a distraction from what is really much more important: sharing the Gospel and making disciples. That's how I see it, anyways. So all that to say, with your background, do you see anything "cult" like with John Piper...? Or just where he's adding things or perspectives to Scripture that aren't necessarily there? Just curious of your thoughts.
God is jealous for his glory. He does not share it with anyone.
For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.
- Deuteronomy 4:24
Also all of Romans; especially 1:22-23, 3:9-18, 8:28-30, all of ch9.
I mostly listen to reformed teachers and preachers, including my daily devotionals, and I DO NOT give credence to "TULIP"
Hope that helps.
What an abrupt ending.
THANK YOU MELISSA!
Well put, God bless you.
A real 💎 ❤ Amen
I love how people look down on and recuse themselves from being called reformed.
Could you please elucidate? I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
@@jeepstergal4043 I watch a lot of Christian content and whenever the hosts say something that agrees with reformed theology you always hear that....."I'm not reformed. I'm not a cessationist"
I just commented the same thing.
Theology matters 😏
Is that Mormonism, or what?
As a former Mormon, yes, in the sense that they believe we are all “little gods”, but they also believe in a lot of other concerning doctrinal (false) ideas. In which I believed in until the Holy Spirit revealed the truth within the Bible. Felt like a holy smack in the face haha.
they carry around the Book of Mormon and the Bible but as someone whose experienced this, they do value the Book of Mormon over the Bible even if they try to bring in scriptures from the Bible. 😶🌫️
Very confusing time in my life but Gods grace and mercy directed me out of that before I got tooo far into that religion.
Even if we all get annoyed with other Christian’s saying “context matters”.
Guys, context. matters.👏🏻🫠
The interpretation you are using is not correct. This can be seen from the parallel that Jesus speaks. I'll simplify his words to make it more obvious.
"If he called men gods, then why are you on me for saying I am the son of God?"
This may seem like a broken parallel because it relates "god" to "son of God." It isn't. Psalms 82 says both "you are gods" and "sons of God". Jesus expects his audience to know that.
The parallel only works if "god" in the first part has something in common with "God" in the second part.
If your interpretation says that "god" in the first part means "mighty men" or "leaders" then Jesus' words become
"If he called men mighty-men / leaders, then why are you on me for saying I am the son of God?"
See how the parallel loses it's meaning under the interpretation you are using?
God. A one-time mortal, next higher than Lord God ruler over all the people on earth, and in the lower heavens, for a season.
Lord God. A one-time mortal, next higher than Lord, ruler over part of the people on earth and the lower heavens, for a season.
Lord. A one-time mortal, ruler over part of the people on earth for a season.
God said: I am, as any other spirit of the dead, a one-time man upon the earth, thy elder brother of tens of thousands of years' experience. Distinguish, then, that the twain God and The Creator are not the same one. No more is thy God than what thou shalt be in time to come, and all angels, the Gods and Lords and generals and captains and chiefs in heaven are but the brothers and sisters of mortals and the spirits of the dead; and none of these, however exalted, can create Life or Motion or an Individual or Person. These are from The Great Spirit, The Creator.
Is that some sort of Mormonism, or what?
Blasphemy. Jesus Christ is the great “I Am”. Jesus is Lord over all. Jesus is the Word and the Word is God and became flesh and dwelt among us. Jesus is coming soon. Be found in Him or perish in Hell for all of eternity.
It's from Oahspe: A New Bible by John Newbrough.
Yep!!! And by that response, Jesus made the acknowledgement of their own hypocrisy