🤬EXCLUSIVE GROUNDBREAKING footage:FRAME BREAKS others won’t show. GRAND DESIGN SCANDAL, IS IT TRUE?
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- Опубликовано: 16 июн 2024
- The Grand Design scandal, is it true? This Grand Design 390RK has become a serious hazard on the road. We have exclusive groundbreaking footage revealing the frame breaks others won’t show you. It is riddled with broken welds, a twisted frame, broken equalizer, camber out of specs, feathered leaf springs, missing bolts in the brake caliper, front end cap flexing. Our friend was told that his Grand Design 390RK frame is the lightest frame with the largest cargo capacity camper box. Despite numerous trips to Grand Design, they continue to suffer from structural failures. How many issues does the consumer need to prove before Grand Design does the right thing and buys back their product?
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Heard about this issue. Now you have proof. Unreal...
Makes you want to 🤮
The problem is: It is too real!
My! That was an eye opening interview! How sad that the industry has gotten so bad...
Way more common than you can even imagine. We have sooo many personal acquaintances that have these conditions on their units. It is pathetic 😒
It is all about the bottom line. Where can we cut corners.
The sad thing about GD is they used to market them as "full timer's rig" and now they say it's the owner's fault for using them for full timing because they aren't intended for that. Two faced liars.
Deflect. Point fingers because you are guilty 🙄
Some rv dealerships won't take these Grand designs in on trade.
Do you realize the value of a GD used or new right now?
Great person Bruce meet in Claremont very trustworthy person great to see him linked with blue ox keep up great work
We strive for the best! They are definitely a great team and asset.
The people running these companies know the stress and potential danger they are causing to families, seniors, and everyone sharing the road with one of their trailers and they continue the runaround. Shameful.
I'm with you. Most of them don't even own an RV.
We want all owners to be aware of what the potential failures are...
Weekend Warrior got away with this in the early 2000s. The owner literally liquidated the company right before court class-action settlement stuff was due to take effect. The company didn't go bankrupt, the owner closed up shop on his own accord & walked off into the sunset a multi-millionaire, leaving thousands of us owners with defective product. I had to sell mine for a $10,000 loss just to get out from under it.
Very good interview. Having an ASE technician explaining the details associated alignment, camber, etc. was very valuable.
Pierre, the more videos I watch the more I think I don’t want an Rv. When will y’all be back in the south? Maybe I will get a tent! 😅😅😅
We fly anywhere 😉
Essentially, these are built to stay in the yard and avoid the road!!!
Put cement blocks strategically under the frame and look at it 🤣
That is basically what Grand Design Said...
Hi Pierre, Laurel, Bruce, and Leslie. It was nice talking to you in May at the meeting.👍
The pleasure was all ours!!!
I feel bad for these GD. Owners, this something that could have been prevented and stopped at the factory level, theses company's all brag about there QC. Programs but how many do they really test? Also they all get to big to fast and the profit margins get in the way of quality!!! To many of them pushed to hard and to fast and now look at the mess they have!!! Thanks for sharing your story.
You got it right!! 👍 🙃
We owned a 2014 Grand Design. It was a far better unit than our 2023. I think that tells the story!
I had a 310GK for four months. The slides would always "bind" and not work and I didn't know why just that it made me distrust the rig (pre frame failure sensation). At the time I thought it was because the mechanism was underpowered. It was a 2021. I got rid of it because it had so many problems not even realizing that was an indicator of frame failure. Luckily being a 2021 I was able to trade it in for the price I paid. Bought a truck camper and went to Alaska and the Arctic Ocean with it - worked out in our favor love truck camping especially for the travel we ended up doing.
edit: ps: after Alaska/Arctic bought a larger truck camper and had a very thorough inspection done. Strongly recommend. We have had no issues and I think part of that is the dealer knowing an inspection was going to be done and that motivated them to do a detailed PDI. The inspection report showed so many things/tests I would have never thought of doing myself.
Well done fellas !! A belated Happy Father's day too ❤❤❤❤❤
Right back at you Mr Steve 😊
Thank you! And a Happy Fathers Day to you and all the followers!
BREAKING NEWS GRAND DESIGN!!!!!!
I own a 10 year old solitude and about two years ago we almost bought the 390rk at the rv show in Houston because we loved it. I’m so glad now that we were able to walk away.
Hopefully we help others as well 😉🙏
Blue Ox trained,can't. get any better !!!! 🥰🥰🥰😎😎😎🌹🌹🌹
One of the first videos I remember seeing about GD frame problems was Millers in Motion's video about their rear kitchen model. They no longer have that unit after going with a toy hauler from Alliance.
I enjoy all of your videos. This one was one of the best. Having another inspector talk about the issues he personally is having was eye-opening. I feel for him and the other GD owners who are getting the run around to get their rigs fixed.
Right?? You think they care about you and I?
Grand Design would have to fold if they did the right thing. Might have to anyway. Great Marketing can’t cure this. This is disastrous.
I can't imagine their way out either...it will be interesting how Winnebago is going to come out smelling like a rose out of this one 🤔
Is Grand Design own by Winnebago and Winnebago is a Canadian company?
American!
Yes they own GD now
Grand Design will attempt to wiggle its way out of this. But the genie is out of the bottle now...
Great video, just the right amount of detailed information. I’m looking for a class A diesel pusher not a fifth wheel, but if I was, I’d tell myself, and all my friends to boycott Grand Design until they start taking their customers and their product seriously!
How can you get out of such position with ALL the customers that are coming out with same issues ? They will ALL have these issues if they use their trailers IMHO
Every time I watch one of these videos I just cringe. We full time in a 2021 GD Momentum and have had nowhere near the issues that some folks are going thru. Did we get a unit that was actually built well, or lucky, or something is wrong and we haven't seen it yet?
Regardless, I feel for these folks and am glad that they are taking the time to put these videos out. It gives pointers on what to look for when checking for potential problems.
Great video! You would think the industry would seriously get their act together and build better not junk.
Hopeful thinking 🤔
Wow, and we were going to try the buy a GD, hmmm, might not be a good ideal now we just keep what we have, a Jayco North Point but not really sure if that is any better, so far so good those.
You know it's bad when a RV dealership will not take Grand Design in trade. Grand Design is cooked as a company.
Always get an inspection period.
It definitely doesn't look good 😕
Bruce and his wife are a true asset to the Blue Ox team. So happy you have been able to grow the excellent inspections you are doing and showing the rv crowd how important a real inspections is. Great Video!
We appreciate you chiming in 😊 thanks for the compliments
Thank you for the kind words. Blue Ox Endorsed will be the new standard for inspections!
One reason I bought a Northwood All in house frames
Unbelievable. I had a 2014 Lifestyle LRV fifth wheel. What a great frame. Very robust. No one wants to pay the money to build a better mouse trap. Pitiful.
Right??
Love the "mouse trap" analogy 👌 😀
We hired an excellent couple out of Tennessee. I went to look at the rig so I could see if there was anything that might catch my eye for something major wrong. I didn’t find anything so we hired the couple to go over and see the finer things that my untrained eye could not catch. Now we are waiting for the dealership to fix it.
Please follow up and tell me how they did and who are they ...
www.blueoxrvinspection.com
@@blueoxontherun9188 ok
Is there a point at which the frame manufacturers become responsible for allowing the RV manufacturers to put poorly designed chassis’s under these rigs?
IMHO between the 3 big frame suppliers like Lippert, BAL and Roadmaster...it is an ethic they don't seem to care about. Again, it all about greed 🙄 nobody really cares anymore and accountability is a fable from the past I think 🤔
Grand Design is reenacting what Weekend Warrior did in the early 2000s. Let's hope they don't agree to a court class action settlement then right before trailer owners are to get their fixes/compensation the owner of Weekend Warrior, Mark Warmouth, decided to liquidate the company. Walked away scot free & the thousands of us owners with multi models of defective frame Weekend Warrior toy haulers were left holding the bag.
Exactly my 😨 fear
@@blueoxontherun9188 If it comes to a big class action suit against GD, owners would be wise to use the Weekend Warrior case as an example of what to not allow RV companies to get away with (settlement wise). I feel for all the owners, been there/done that with Weekend Warrior / Zieman defective product.
Unreal issues with a 2 year old 5th wheel. Silicone holds the Rv together. 😂
That is THE statement that got me and shows the deflection they are thought to avoid accountability of their wrong doing...
That was what they implied.
What year did all this stuff with lilbert start, would very happy with a replay
Lippert builds to their customers specs 😶
My wife and I want to see the country. After over 40 serving my country and state. We wanted to enjoy life and our great country. We want a small camper under 4,000 lbs to tow. But, we have it decided it is unreachable dream now a days. Can not trust dealers or their workmanship. Due to our age we believe the shop/dealers will just string us along, knowing we can not fight back. There needs lemon laws for rv’s and they need an inspection requirement to be meet.
🙏 thanks for your services 🙏
We challenge them every day when we perform inspections and Laurel and Pierre produce content.
I’ve learned so much with your videos. Thank you!
I’m thinking of having an inspection done on our 2022 Keystone Sprinter even though so far we’ve never had any major issues. The reason I’m thinking of having an inspection done is for proactive prevention. We’re NOT going to sell/trade our 5th wheel because we’re old, don’t full time camp, not taking a chance on buying a different camper, and we like what we have.
Pierre, question: why doesn’t keystone put a collar around the pin box? There’s a finger width gap between the fiberglass and floor of where the pin box goes into? Like Alliance does with their 5th wheels? I asked Keystone and they said, it doesn’t need it’! Well, I see future possible water intrusion. So a friend of mine who works at Alliance (who pointed this out) is getting me the collar to put on. Same pin box product, same dimensions.
Cost 🙄🙃...money is their sign for quality 🤣
When ur ready, make sure to reach out
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Do you have a Blue Ox approved inspector near us? Niles, MI (very near Elkhart, IN)
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The RV industry has always been this way .
Wow, again ...
I had a heartland (Sundance ultralight) 29 ft 5vr somewhere around 2011 or so. I know they’ve been bashed but back then it was a great, quality unit!!. Just saying. I think quality overall has declined & it’s not just covid stuff . . although that added to it!!
Never had any frame flex or pin box issues . . .
Right on!!
My Newmar Dutch Star ⭐️ is a piece of crap 💩-In a post prior to this I had said our electrical blew -an INTERNAL SURGE-NOT an External surge at the pedestal-This surge took out out our EMS, inverter, back air conditioning unit, bedroom slide module-$15,000 in a 2023 -3 months out of the 1 year warranty-Newmar said “Pound Sand” you are past your 1 year-We will never buy another motorhome/RV ever again-We are done -These are terrible quality and they are ripping off ordinary people who don’t have a ton of money to fix this junk -It doesn’t have to be this way but the RV industry IS NOT held accountable-Don’t give me the excuse that this is an earthquake going down the road-That is an excuse to build garbage-These CAN and SHOULD be made much much better -For us, NEVER AGAIN 🤯
I feel your pain and sympathize 😧
Again, people keep writing and calling the highway safety commission to step in fine these companies huge dollars for the crap they’re building in the dangerous conditions that lead to accidents and people getting severely injured or killed people better keep complaining keep writing your congressman. Everybody needs to know of all the dangerous and the neglect in craftsmanship of these vehicles.
Ugh. C4BO
The more I watch about these issues, the more I'm convinced that the industry simply doesn't have the design, engineering, and especially construction abilities to deiiver these large take your home down the road models at the price points they need to be at. Are there some manufacturers who can throw price out the window and achieve it? Probably, but the conventional volume producers sure aren't there yet; and I don't think it's malice on their part, they just don't have the capital that someone like a Ford or GM has in the automotive industry.
GD has the money they are owned by Winnebago. These companies just don’t care that’s why they are always trying to give the runaround.
We might have to realize and agree with you. It's all about the $...if you don't stand up, they just brush it off ...
How much more will it cost to build it the right way?
@@BruceCrittendon They would need to overbiuld the frames and hire master welders and then inspect all their welds, that would fall on Lippert, but they're supplying what the Mfg. orders. GD would also need to slow down the line and make sure they're using the proper size lag bolts and make sure that all the holes are being used, the frame and walls work together to form the structural integrity.
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Oh, SURE......THEY get the T shirt.
NOOO...THEY didn't get THE TShirt...
"You were leaving when" is going to be THE TShirt...
Stop being so jealous 🤣
Now you know where you stand....lol. BTY I loved your application!
@@BruceCrittendon You both will be a valuable addition and am wishing you much success. I knew where I stood when I was offered a spot in the toad while they drove around the country.
@@blueoxontherun9188 I am getting older you know 🙄
I'll supply you one of those plaited blanket and a thermos on our next trip...stop whining will you!
It sounds like we're not tending to you 🙄😁
I'm pointing fingers at LIEppert!!!
They are just as equal in this shit show.
liquid class action junk,,,jesus,,all that $
Not good!
Grand Design is pile of junk! I wouldn't take one for free!! Horrible company!!
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