The Ebal Curse Tablet discovered by Scott Stripling's team in 2019 and recently found to contain an Israelite inscription invoking the name Jehovah 4 times with a message reminiscent of religious observances described in the Books of Deuteronomy and Joshua helps the case for these inscriptions being Israelite, because the writing style on this little lead tablet they found is the same style as Proto-Sinaitic. The script apoears in Egypt, then Sinai, then ceases to be used in Egypt, then suddenly appears at one of the sites the Israelites were said to have gathered at after entering Canaan, and the curse tablet describes things that the Bible also describes the Israelites doing at the same site and time.
@@kevinlee5753 That's so true. Archaeology requires constant and ongoing calibration just like any other scientific instrument if the information is to be presented as accurate and up-to-date.
Not quite accurate. There hasn't been any of the scans and no papers published on any of this data so it's not been peer reviewed. The scrap was found in a re-sifted waste pile from an excavation done in the 1980s, not in situ. Dating is very preliminary, and is based primarily on Univ of Prague epigraphic analysis and by attemting to match the lead to a source.The scrap of lead measured 2cm x 2cm and contained around 40 characters which Stripling claimed were proto-Hebrew. Striplings team posed the following; ". . . an ancient Hebrew curse inscription consisting of 40 proto-alphabetic (equivalent to proto-Sinaitic) letters that mentions the Hebrew word for “cursed” (arur) ten times and Israel’s God YHWH twice! The deciphered message reads as follows: Cursed, cursed, cursed - cursed by the God YHW. You will die cursed. Cursed you will surely die. Cursed by YHW - cursed, cursed, cursed." There is a great deal of skepticism if any of this translation is accurate.
One thing, for which I admire Timothy Mahoney, is his willingness to access the opinions of people, who are at odds with each other. Petrovich and Rohl are brilliant, but Petrovich exhibits a certain disdain for Rohl. And David Rohl is an agnostic, while promoting a new Egyptian chronology, beneficial to Biblical claims.
Some body is not educated in Hebrew and who says the critic knows, all things testify of the One down to our existence. Love Dougs work keep going brother Doug.
I love how you present more than one side ! I guess you could call me a Rohl-ist considering that I got Pharaohs and Kings when it first came out ! My parents were PHD scholars trained in the classics and my mom in particular was very upset with the idea of re arranging Egyptian chronology ! I worked in factories and had no such prejudice ! I spent decades checking up on and trying to disprove Rohl`s re working of the Egyptian chronologies and still after all these years I am still a Rohl-ist ! Here however on Patterns Of Evidence you interview highly competent scholars from all sides of the question with openness humility and grace . Thank You Tim !
They do ditch Rohl's views in favour of pseudoarchaeologist Ron Wyatt's sensationalist claims, however - and that in the face of the Proto-Sinaitic inscriptions. Serâbit El-Khâdim, where much of these inscriptions were found, is the ancient Egyptian site of Du-Mofka, 'Mountain of Turquoise', called Dophkah in the Book of Numbers. Jebel Musa - traditional Mt Sinai - is 3 days south. This follows the traditional Exodus route. The Israelites came to Dophkah after the Wilderness of Sin, where Yahweh first gave them Manna. The inscription pictured in the thumbnail mentions Manna! But they came to Dophkah AFTER crossing the Sea, which rules out the Aqaba Sea Crossing/Saudi Sinai theories of Ron Wyatt, which it seems the Patterns folks have espoused 😬. An inscription at nearby Wadi Nasb, an ancient copper mine, says "Now unto the Assembly and unto Hobab is the majesty of a furnace!" -Moses implored his brother-in-law Hobab 'the Kenite (metal-smith)' to remain with the 'Assembly of Israel' as a guide when they were pulling away from Mt Sinai.
Great point at 13:05. Hebrews likely adopted the use of the definite article (the) from Egyptian writing which employed a definite article. The other semitic languages did not use a definite article.
Genesis 41:45 Then Pharaoh named Joseph Zaphenath-paneah; did the skeptical scholar consider that Joseph had an egyptian name given to him by Pharaoh? Or did he make up his mind that only the name Joseph could appear and none other, so of course he did not exist. I also ask .and has this name Zaphenath-paneah or some form analagous appeared in inscriptions etc? if such has then this closed minded "skeptic" is refuted and we have good evidence of Joseph.
I really enjoyed this podcast. They did a great job and the graphics are wonderful and the individuals and Scholars they interviewed are superb. Great job! .Writing on the wall of a cave between 1900 and 1800 BC plus a sentence written on a comb excavated from a tell site in Canaan. That's three indications of proto alphabet. Definitely symbols borrowed from the Egyptians. However, making the jump to say It was the Hebrews that later become Israel as an ethnic group is quite the leap and a sensational statement. So there is the writing in Sinai and some more writing in the land of Canaan. Separated by hundreds of years. The comb does illustrate the advancement of this proto alphabet. But no case Is there an indication of any Hebrew involvement. Such as a name or a place or a deity explicitly as a being Hebrew, Israelite. So there is a void. There is a bias that to try to prove that. Moses had an alphabet to write with. Which is off point. They know of an alphabet since 1906, however, there's no indication of a Moses or a Joseph or Jacob recorded in history or in an archaeological excavation found in situ. So the problem is not with the alphabet. The problem is trying to find the patriarchs.
The Egyptian temple in the Sinai called Serabit el-Khadim is significant because that is the first stop in the Exodus. The temple was a factory producing White Powder of Gold, ORMES, Orbitally rearranged monatomic element, to make the sacred bread. Moses was stocking up before hitting the road. Later, he “burned the golden calf” and fed it to the people. How do you burn gold?
Slaves working in Egyptian Copper mines in the Sinai who knew how to write using a 22 letter phonetic alphabet: Sounds like the People of the Book to me!
The guy at 8:20 is merely conjecturing; he is attempting-to force the biblical narrative but the evidence is not there but he is dishonestly pretending that it is there. He’s the type that willing to mislead people for belief
I suspect that Moses knew the oral stories, and developed a phonetic aleph-bet from Egyptian hieroglyphics. He then wrote down the first (and still most accurate) history, probably on papyrus, genesis to Deuteronomy. The inscriptions in stone that we see are from hebrews who are just learning the ‘new’ form of writing, hence the crude letters and brute usage, and test aleph-bets that you see. What fascinates me is how many languages have almost the same letters in almost the same order based on the earliest Hebrew. An English A or M etc. can easily be traced all the way back.
The story of Joseph does come across as someone who was not only obsessed with data but very talented and skilled with it. Plus the culture of Egypt would have some kind of scribal class of people as part of their job description. After all far more modern history records that slaves were trained with skills that would benefit their master to secure a means of support for his flesh and blood family.
Look into the Hyksos people. It is said that they were outsiders who lived in Northern Egypt. The connection to the story of Genesis is very close. It says in inscription that the eldest son of the Pharaoh (Yanassi) was supposed to be the next king, but suddenly got swapped with his younger brother (Apophos). Listen to the phonetics of these names. They sound very much like their Hebrew counterparts: Hykos Yakub-her -> Biblical Jacob Hyksos Khyan-Seth -> Biblical Joseph Hyksos Yanassi -> Biblical Manasseh Hyksos Apophis -> Biblical Ephraim Hyksos Khamudi -> Biblical Shemidah
Regarding 10:10 "Interesting" ---- There is one notable exception about the lack of a Joseph figure outside of the Bible. It isn't recognized because the accepted timelines don't add up. However, if scholars have messed up the timelines, you will want to look into Imhotep as being the historical Joseph in Egyptian records. The parallels are too much to be dismissed. Married to an Egyptian priestess Serving as the most powerful person in the country except for Pharaoh - actually the first person to hold this position Saved the country during 7 years of drought and then 7 years of prosperity (though reversed order, the biblical order actual makes more logical sense) And the picture I saw painted of him from his time actually has him look physically different that the Egyptians. So, he was not a true Egyptian. I believe his skin color was different, and he is pictured with a stereotypical (of some Jews) hooked noise. I believe their are other similarities as well, but I'm working from memory here. Those are the highlights I recall.
In this video, the only one who shows an actual understanding is the man who shows point-by-point that this was Hebrew. I don't know who the blond lady is in the red top. I did pay attention to her name because she didn't say anything that wasn't either dismissive or evidence that she was just a wench that just wanted to State an opinion even though it had absolutely no value, and then four eyes who just said nobody agrees on anyting and I disagree with everybody! It appears that only one of the people that he is interviewing as even put any time into trying to understand what the script is what it says and who is making the markings.
Rolston can only loosely be described as a "scholar." A scholar makes deductions from the evidence, by contrast, Rolston makes deductions from pagan ideologies and atheist philosophy.
Hey, Patterns of Evidence team! Are you guys ever going to feature the translations of these inscriptions by Michael Shelomo Bar-Ron? He seems to have a good grasp of the subject.
5:46 The oldest copies of Exodus (Septuagint, Samaritan Pentateuch) state the 430-Year Sojourn pertains to the time Abraham and his descendants were residing as foreigners without their own country, and even the Apostle Paul later states 'the Law Covenant made with Israel 430 years after Abraham's covenant with Jehovah', making it quite clear that the Israelites were in Egypt no more than 215 years. From Abraham's entering Canaan to Jacob's entering Egypt is exactly 215 years, in fact, and the 4 generations of Israelites who dwelt in Egypt don't allow for 430 year sojourn there, so it becomes clear that Mr Petrovich - as much as I value his work on this subject of inscriptions - is using his preferred understanding of the Exodus chronology to date the inscriptions rather than perhaps strict Egyptian evidence. That's kind of dodgy, I think. In his defense, Egyptians didn't strive to keep as precise chronological data as the Israelites did, because Egyptians were very much propagandistic - much like US President 45, recording and exagerrating and even inventing or taking credit for other peoples accomplishments, and denying their defeats, or not even recording them, or even erasing the achievements and mentions of monarchs they didn't like. With the Bible/Israelites, you get the good, the bad, and the ugly, achievements and defeats, triumphs and humiliations. The Book of Ezekiel records some important chronological data that I think most people ignore, a prophetic mock siege of Samaria/Kingdom of Israel and another of Jerusalem/Kingdom of Judah. The sieges begin at the time each Kingdom earns Jehovah's disfavor. With Israel, this begins when their first king Jeroboam causes them to concentrate their worship at sites for calf worship so Jerusalem won't claim their allegiance. 390 days ("a day for a year") Jehovah decrees from the time Israel sins until they go off into exile with Babylon's overthrow of the land, the year Jerusalem is destroyed. 539 BCE is generally recognized as the year that exile ends. Jeremiah says the exile is 70 years long, bringing us to 607 BCE. 390 years added to that takes us to 997 BCE as the year Jeroboam set up stations of calf worship, his first regnal year and Solomon's last of a 40-year reign, like his father David. 1 Kings 6:1 states the Exodus took place in the 480th year b4 Solomon's 4th regnal year. Simply counting back from Solomon's 4th year of kingship gives an Exodus date of 1513 BCE, with Jacob entering Egypt in about 1728 BCE. It's important not to cherry-pick, but consider all the Biblical data on this issue of the 430 Year Sojourn, and un4tunately, Mr Petrovich ignores other scriptural evidence that helps establish an accurate Biblical chronology.
2276 Anno hominem Joseph, 17J., wird verkauft [1Mo 37,2 ff] 1843 B.C. 2289 Joseph, 30 J., über Ägypten gesetzt; nimmt Asnath zur Frau [1Mo 41,41-46] 1830 Der Pharao, der zur Zeit Josephs regierte, war Senwosret III. (1836-1818), sowie dessen Sohn Amenemhet III.(1818-1773). 2513 A.h. Exodus 1606 B.C. 3102 Geburtsjahr Rehabeams (Sohn v. Salomo) [1Kö 14,21] 1017 35. Generation 3103 SALOMO wird König [1Kö 2,12; 1Kö 11,42 und 6,1] 1016 Regiert von 1016 - 976 v.Chr. 3107 Baubeginn des Tempels [1Kö 6,1; 2Chr3] 1012 Bestätigung der 480 Jahre [Gott rechnet die 114 Jahre der Unterdrückung während der Richterzeit nicht] [6,1] 3114 Fertigstellung des Tempels [1Kö 6,37] 1005 7 Jahre Bauzeit [1Kö 6,37-38] 3114 Baubeginn des Hauses Salomos [1Kö 7,1; 9,10] 1005 3127 Fertigstellung d. Hauses Salomos [1Kö 7,1; 9,10] 992 13 Jahre Bauzeit [1Kö 7,1] 3143 Salomo stirbt [1.Kö 11,42] 976 3144 REICHSTEILUNG in JUDA und ISRAEL 975 Kurt Becker, Biblische Chronologie der Menschheitsgeschichte [leben-ist-mehr . at / chronologie/]
@@JesusOurGoel Well, we're talking about the fact that the Ancient Egyptians kept histories that were in accord with the wishes of the government, a government given to lies, exaggerations, and a constant denial of that which made them look humiliated. So yes, , that's president 45, trump to a tee (golf pun not intended). I'm an outdide onlooker into American politics. I've seen him with his own mouth claim as his own the achievements of others b4 him then flee or deflect or insult when called out on it. I mention him in connection with the propagandistic traits of ancient Egyptian politics which makes Egyptian history difficult to fix precise time periods to as a result of missing or false in4mation. There weren't an abundance of other Egyptian commentaries to keep the government honest or in check, after all, which USA has, at least.
I'm just wondering, as the Proto-Sinaitic scripts is considered the earliest trace of alphabetic writing and the common ancestor of both the Ancient South Arabian script and the Phoenician alphabet, is there any possibility that the scripts were already exist during the life of the prophet Abraham? Especially he was in Egypt for some time in his life. Or even, it is Abraham himself and his family who introduced such scripts to the people where they lived with?
@mfadls. Interesting surmising about Abraham, but I don't think Abraham was in Egypt long enough to do something like that. Joseph, on the other hand was in Egypt about 90-95 years and was a integral part of the Egyptian government for about 80 years.
16:38 I criticized Mr Petrovich enough so in this case I gotta say how cool it is and really how 4tunate it is to have a Proto-Sinaitic (or Proto-Hebrew, really) inscription connected to an Egyptian one that has an actual date! -after a fashion. From the reign of Pharaoh Amenemhat III, if I recall correct? One of the tricky things the other more skeptical scholar mentioned was how it can be hard to give a date to the inscriptions based on hard evidence, but this example seems like a good place to start.
This is Baybayin Script. The oldest script used by the descendants of Noah. Filipino Baybayin writers can easily read it. I for one can read the inscriptions easily.
These are the people that keep humanity from understanding what languages, and what the word of God is. The path themselves in the back build museums and get money. And still have no idea what is going on.
The book of Jubilees teaches that Enoch was the FIRST to learn writing and that he wrote books for his sons to read. How were his sons able to READ what he wrote? How was the Bible able to QUOTE him? His sons must have been able TO READ or the books would have been USELESS! And in the eleventh jubilee Yered took to himself a woman, and her name was Baraka, the daughter of Rasujal, a daughter of his father's brother, in the fourth week of this jubilee, and she bore him a son in the fifth week, in the fourth year of the jubilee, and he called his name Chanok. And he was the first among men that are born on earth who learned writing and knowledge and wisdom and who wrote down the signs of heaven according to the order of their months in a cepher, that men might know the seasons of the years according to the order of their separate months. And he was the first to write a testimony and he testified to the sons of men among the generations of the earth, and recounted the weeks of the jubilees, and made known to them the days of the years, and set in order the months and recounted the Shabbathoth of the years as we made them, known to him. And what was and what will be he saw in a vision of his sleep, as it will happen to the children of men throughout their generations until the day of judgment; he saw and understood everything, and wrote his testimony, and placed the testimony on earth for all the children of men and for their generations. And in the twelfth jubilee, in the seventh week thereof, he took to himself a woman, and her name was Edna, the daughter of Dan'el, the daughter of his father's brother, and in the sixth year in this week she bore him a son and he called his name Methushelach. And he was moreover with the angels of ELOHIYM these six jubilees of years, and they showed him everything which is on earth and in the heavens, the rule of the sun, and he wrote down everything. YOVHELIYM (JUBILEES) 4:16-21 את CEPHER And he testified to the Watchers, who had sinned with the daughters of men; for these had begun to unite themselves, so as to be defiled, with the daughters of men, and Chanok testified against them all. And he was taken from amongst the children of men, and we conducted him into the Garden of Eden in majesty and honour, and behold there he writes down the condemnation and judgment of the world, and all the wickedness of the children of men. And on account of it ELOHIYM brought the waters of the flood upon all the land of Eden; for there he was set as a sign and that he should testify against all the children of men, that he should recount all the deeds of the generations until the day of condemnation. YOVHELIYM (JUBILEES) 4:22-24 את CEPHER Noah ALSO had the ability to WRITE and left books for his sons before his death. How was this possible UNLESS he and his sons could ALSO READ. And Noach wrote down all things in a cepher as we instructed him concerning every kind of medicine. Thus the evil ruachoth were precluded from hurting the sons of Noach. And he gave all that he had written to Shem, his eldest son; for he loved him exceedingly above all his sons. YOVHELIYM (JUBILEES) 10:13-14 את CEPHER Even Avraham was given books and the ability to understand the "tongue of creation" and he transcribed them. So Abraham could ALSO read and write. And YAHUAH ELOHIYM said: Open his mouth and his ears, that he may hear and speak with his mouth, with the language which has been revealed; for it had ceased from the mouths of all the children of men from the day of the overthrow of Babel. And I opened his mouth, and his ears and his lips, and I began to speak with him in Ivriyt in the tongue of the creation. And he took the cepheriym of his fathers, and these were written in Ivriyt, and he transcribed them, and he began from henceforth to study them, and I made known to him that which he could not understand, and he studied them during the six rainy months. YOVHELIYM (JUBILEES) 12:25-27 את CEPHER Abraham recounts what he READ in the books of Enoch and Noah. And eat its meat on that day and on the second day, and let not the sun on the second day go down upon it till it is eaten, and let nothing be left over for the third day; for it is not acceptable for it is not approved and let it no longer be eaten, and all who eat thereof will bring sin upon themselves; for thus I have found it written in the cepheriym of my forefathers, and in the words of Chanok, and in the words of Noach. YOVHELIYM (JUBILEES) 21:10 את CEPHER These books that began with Enoch and Noah were passed down from Enoch to Noah who wrote more, to Abraham, to Isaac, to Jacob, then to Levi. And he gave all his cepheriym and the cepheriym of his fathers to Leviy his son that he might guard them and renew them for his children until this day. YOVHELIYM (JUBILEES) 45:16 את CEPHER ALL of the patriarchs beginning with Enoch could READ AND WRITE! The Isrealites likely could READ AND WRITE! One of their patriarchs, Abraham, was given the ability to understand and read the original language from creation. I wonder WHAT LANGUAGE would that be? Likely a Hebrew one??? AND that means Noah's sons would have known this language cause Enoch lived BEFORE Babel and likely spoke and wrote the original language from creation. The books given to Noah would have been this language. And they were left to his sons who ALSO knew this language prior to Babel. The question is what language did Abraham transcribe these books into??? And was the original language he was given the ability to read passed down to Isaac, Jacob and his sons???
You really need to do some real research. The book of Enoch is a Jewish fable started around 300 BC by a sect outside of Jerusalem and finished in about 100 BC. It wasn't written by the preflood Enoch. The book has been debunked multiple times. It contradicts it's self multiple time by the additions of multiple authors. It was just embellishments written out to make one look more knowledgeable than those in Jerusalem. And people are still chasing after it like drooling children thinking that they great knowledge. Niether angels or fallen angels are the "son's of God", they may take physical form, but have no DNA for reproduction. Job 1:6, 2:1, and 38:7 are translation errors. The descendants of Farmer Adam are the "son's of God" with inherited DNA and title, Luke 3:38, John 10:34, Psalms 82:6, Hosea 1:10, etc. This one verse proves the book of Enoch is false. Hebrews 1:5 (WMB, Public Domain) ⁵ For to which of the angels did he say at any time, “You are my Son. Today I have become your father?” and again, “I will be to him a Father, and he will be to me a Son?” What's the Bible state about fables? 1 Timothy 1;4, 1 Timothy 4;7, 2 Timothy 4;3,4, Titus 1:14, 2 Peter 1;16
Proto-Sinaitic was almost certainly used to record the Torah. Moses was educated in the court of Pharoah, so he certainly knew how to write. Even in the 15 century BC writing was well-established.
Everything that you’re saying right now shows a supreme lack of awareness of what the Bronze Age world was like, it was not quite as advanced over all stretches of the world like you are imagining it. Writing was extremely rare, and the alphabet was not widespread basically until after the beginning of recovery from the Bronze Age collapse (if we exclude china).
@@garrettrye6951 yes, it was pretty rare and it wasn’t widespread, but Moses, being educated in the court of pharaoh, almost certainly knew how to write if he was who he says he was.
The Hebrew script was invented about 1850 BC during the time Of Amenenhat III. This is the time of Abraham. Hebrew Legend has it that it was Abraham who invented the Alphabet. Thus there may be a vindication of Hebrew tradition.
I don't agree that the Proto-Sinaitic script was borrowed from Egyptian hieroglyphs to "invent" aforesaid language as that would mean the Egyptians first learned their letters and spread it to the world; but the opposite is true that God taught select men Proto-Sinaitic Hebrew and it was through Hebrew letters that mankind became enlightened. If you look at the first ten generations before the Flood of Noah, they all have their children Hebrew names while themselves not being Hebrew; and when you look at the first man, God gave him a Hebrew name, and Adam gave his wife a Hebrew name: therefore Adam learned Hebrew from God and that is why you don't see much difference in the alphabet of the Hebrews, Babylonians, and Assyrians because Adam learned Proto-Sinaitic Hebrew if you will. That said God did mix up Babylonian and Assyrian enough so that they were distinct from Hebrew. How could Adam learn Hebrew without being Hebrew? The same way all ancient and modern people can learn a foreign language without being born into said ethnic groups which those languages and dialects belong to. There wouldn't be translators or polyglots if this were not true.
I do feel like the gentleman is reaching a bit far, calling much circumstantial evidence to be true undisputed fact. Circumstantial evidence is better than none at all, but you must be intellectually honest enough to realise that's what it is.
Consonants. We're talking about the Hebrew Alphabet when they say "Proto-Sinaitic" or the ancestor of Hebrew. Mainstream academia has long said it's Canaanite, but the Bible places the Semitic Israelites in Egypt in the Middle Kingdom period that these inscriptions correspond to. The inscriptions cease to appear in Egypt with the sudden disappearance of a large Semitic group around the time of Pharaoh Dudimose (before the Hyksos), then in a few decades, this alphabet begins to appear in Canaan, eventually becoming the dominant script in the region.
Perhaps , maybe , we believe. When I hear this I always leave the reality and step in the Disney World. If you are not sure of what you teach to others why you teach others this stuff in the first place!
Are these scholars atheists or something? How is it a new revelation that that the oldest language and writing system is Hebrew (Proto-Hebrew), when the Bible (and I believe the Book of Jubilees, but don't hold me to it) actually says that there was one language spoken by everyone up until the Tower of Babel, and that Eber and his family kept the original language because Eber refused to participate in the building of the tower? Why are these scholars so skeptical about the Bible? It's a history book, for crying out loud.
*oldest language and writing system is Hebrew * Hebrew is dated to the 8th century BCE Egyptian and Sumerian are dated to around 4000 BCE that is over 3000 years before Hebrew. The Bible is dated to the 6th century. How you ask? [Genesis 11] 11:27 Now these are the generations of Terah: Terah begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran; and Haran begat Lot. 11:28 And Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees. *The Chaldeans do not take control of Babylon (Ur) until 626BCE* Along with other bible passages to date it. No, it is not a history book.
@@fordprefect5304 Hebrew (Proto-Hebrew) has a very unusual (not to say impossible) feature: It's a phonetic alphabet and it's iconographic at the same time. Every letter is an icon with inherent meaning. And the meaning of all letters in a word reflect the meaning of the word. So you can read/understand large parts by just looking at the words - without knowing the language. I heard that some teachers today use this original alphabet to teach Hebrew very successfully. But you cannot artificially create such an incredible system after the fact - without designing the language and the alphabet together at the same time. (This amazing feature got lost when the Jews changed their alphabet during the Babylonian exile)
@@ReadersOfTheApocalypse Hebrew came for the Phoenicians/Canaanites. The Israelites/Hebrews oldest know writing dates to 850BCE. The Israelites modified it over time. Nothing new.
11:18 Again, he's arriving at the date using a flawed understanding of the Biblical data regarding the chronology of the Exodus and using it to date the inscriptions. Tricky business, that.
The earliest script writing we know of comes from Sumeria, predating Canaan by more than a millennia. Because the script isn't written in an Arabic alphabet doesn't mean it's not script. Hebrew and Greek were developed roughly simultaneously and derived from the Phoenician alphabet after the collapse of the Bronze Age in 1177 when the remnants of the Sea Peoples became the Phoenicians.
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Professor Douglas Petrovich needs to learn about the 22 symbol/letter Egyptian Hieratic script. It was developed a thousand years before Joseph was born. It's the mother alphabet. You can't date rock etchings unless they date themselves by a date or event. A few etchings located by a dated event in a different script doesn't date the etchings as being done in the same time frame. The patina in and around the etchings can imply an age or which etching nearby is older. David Rohl nails it about Moses having the ability to write the 1st 5 books of the Bible. From the transcript; "11:48 he had the ability because he was a 11:50 prince of egypt he was educated 11:52 he would have been educated in reading 11:54 and writing ancient hieroglyphs well you 11:55 didn't have the ability to write hebrew 11:57 right uh well no he did you see this is 11:59 the point 12:00 with these inscriptions these 12:02 protestantic inscriptions we have an 12:04 alphabet now at the time that i would 12:06 put joseph and moses in other words that 12:09 era is when this comes into being for 12:11 the first time so if joseph prince was 12:15 the person who invented this method of 12:16 writing the semitic language as a script 12:20 moses would have learned that very 12:21 easily and very quickly and that would 12:23 have been the form of writing that he 12:25 would use to write the narrative of the 12:27 exodus journey the laws 12:30 of the of the israelites that would be 12:32 you know handed down" Moses was an educated Egyptian prince, he would know how to read and write in Hieroglyphs and the 22 letter Egyptian Hieratic script. He used the Hieratic script to write phonetically in the Hebrew language. Once you have a sound sign script, you can write any vocal language phonetically. This alphabet I'm using is Latin script. It's used to write many different languages. Did Joesph write in Hebrew? Show me the verse in the Bible that states he wrote in Hebrew script. You won't find it. I will speculate on the day when the true tablets are revealed so that we can see God's Laws written on them. It will be in Hebrew written in Egyptian Hieratic script. I doubt Paleo-Hebrew existed yet and probably wouldn't for a few hundred years.
Have archaeologists ever hunting for a needle in the haystack, and not found one? (dinosaur fossils) For 20,000 year old etching... looks fresh as last year. You should have blown dust on it or something... hilarious
Perhaps this is just a travelling person from another land that has little language and vocabulary and carved some stuff to add to the other stuff from others. The lack of sophistication means nothing age wise at all.
Canaan was black, Proto-Canaanite alphabet. Amenemhat III (amen, math). Erased from history via the Bible and written in as cured into slavery. It’s deeply rooted.
@@shainazion4073 According to the Bible.... Canaan was a son of Ham who is the father of the African nations and the blackest and most "negroid" of peoples were fathered by him! Ham's sons were: Canaan Cush (Ethiopia/Sudan) Mizraim (Egypt) Put (Libya) These were literal brothers with the SAME FATHER. Take from this what you will. Remember, Hamites OFTEN MIXED with semetics (decendants of Shem). Hagar was Egytptian and she and Avraham created Ishamael. Moses' wife was Cushite, Joseph's wife was Egpytian and they created Manasseh and Ephraim who were adopted as sons of Jacob and given land alotments in Israel. Remember, many of the current occupants of the Levant/Mesopotamian area are decendants of INVADERS. Greece (Europeans] , Rome (Europeans) , and the Ottoman empire (European) moved in and their remnants can be seen in the European appearance of the people today. The original ancients of those areas have been long gone and replaced.
@@markita.hardenhome And In Real Life they have genetically sequenced the Ancient Canaanites and they were NOT Negroid. The Lebanese are their direct descendants with 93% of their DNA. The Lebanese are not Negroid. And, there are plenty of times you see even brothers that are different skin tones. Noah was born bright White with White long hair and blue eyes. We don't know what skin tone Naamah had. In science, if a "white" parent has children with a "black" parent. There is a 1/64 chance of the child being the same color as the white or black parent. The children can be any color from very light to very dark.
What is a definite article?😂 it’s amateurs hour & he’s a scholar! SHAME!!! “I stumbled across evidence@…? in the dark?Look up Stan Tenan & quote before Napoleon.
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The Ebal Curse Tablet discovered by Scott Stripling's team in 2019 and recently found to contain an Israelite inscription invoking the name Jehovah 4 times with a message reminiscent of religious observances described in the Books of Deuteronomy and Joshua helps the case for these inscriptions being Israelite, because the writing style on this little lead tablet they found is the same style as Proto-Sinaitic.
The script apoears in Egypt, then Sinai, then ceases to be used in Egypt, then suddenly appears at one of the sites the Israelites were said to have gathered at after entering Canaan, and the curse tablet describes things that the Bible also describes the Israelites doing at the same site and time.
Don't you just love how one discovery blows up centuries of skepticism and "established fact"
@@kevinlee5753 That's so true. Archaeology requires constant and ongoing calibration just like any other scientific instrument if the information is to be presented as accurate and up-to-date.
Not quite accurate. There hasn't been any of the scans and no papers published on any of this data so it's not been peer reviewed. The scrap was found in a re-sifted waste pile from an excavation done in the 1980s, not in situ. Dating is very preliminary, and is based primarily on Univ of Prague epigraphic analysis and by attemting to match the lead to a source.The scrap of lead measured 2cm x 2cm and contained around 40 characters which Stripling claimed were proto-Hebrew. Striplings team posed the following;
". . . an ancient Hebrew curse inscription consisting of 40 proto-alphabetic (equivalent to proto-Sinaitic) letters that mentions the Hebrew word for “cursed” (arur) ten times and Israel’s God YHWH twice! The deciphered message reads as follows:
Cursed, cursed, cursed - cursed by the God YHW.
You will die cursed.
Cursed you will surely die.
Cursed by YHW - cursed, cursed, cursed."
There is a great deal of skepticism if any of this translation is accurate.
Exactly. And if you were to write in the proto sinaitic form and hand it to a Rabbi, they could read it without batting an eye.
And it also says El YHU. Disastrous for the JEPD theories.
One thing, for which I admire Timothy Mahoney, is his willingness to access the opinions of people, who are at odds with each other. Petrovich and Rohl are brilliant, but Petrovich exhibits a certain disdain for Rohl. And David Rohl is an agnostic, while promoting a new Egyptian chronology, beneficial to Biblical claims.
Some body is not educated in Hebrew and who says the critic knows, all things testify of the One down to our existence. Love Dougs work keep going brother Doug.
I love how you present more than one side ! I guess you could call me a Rohl-ist considering that I got Pharaohs and Kings when it first came out ! My parents were PHD scholars trained in the classics and my mom in particular was very upset with the idea of re arranging Egyptian chronology ! I worked in factories and had no such prejudice ! I spent decades checking up on and trying to disprove Rohl`s re working of the Egyptian chronologies and still after all these years I am still a Rohl-ist ! Here however on Patterns Of Evidence you interview highly competent scholars from all sides of the question with openness humility and grace . Thank You Tim !
They do ditch Rohl's views in favour of pseudoarchaeologist Ron Wyatt's sensationalist claims, however - and that in the face of the Proto-Sinaitic inscriptions.
Serâbit El-Khâdim, where much of these inscriptions were found, is the ancient Egyptian site of Du-Mofka, 'Mountain of Turquoise', called Dophkah in the Book of Numbers. Jebel Musa - traditional Mt Sinai - is 3 days south. This follows the traditional Exodus route. The Israelites came to Dophkah after the Wilderness of Sin, where Yahweh first gave them Manna. The inscription pictured in the thumbnail mentions Manna!
But they came to Dophkah AFTER crossing the Sea, which rules out the Aqaba Sea Crossing/Saudi Sinai theories of Ron Wyatt, which it seems the Patterns folks have espoused 😬.
An inscription at nearby Wadi Nasb, an ancient copper mine, says "Now unto the Assembly and unto Hobab is the majesty of a furnace!" -Moses implored his brother-in-law Hobab 'the Kenite (metal-smith)' to remain with the 'Assembly of Israel' as a guide when they were pulling away from Mt Sinai.
Great point at 13:05. Hebrews likely adopted the use of the definite article (the) from Egyptian writing which employed a definite article. The other semitic languages did not use a definite article.
Genesis 41:45 Then Pharaoh named Joseph Zaphenath-paneah;
did the skeptical scholar consider that Joseph had an egyptian name given to him by Pharaoh? Or did he make up his mind that only the name Joseph could appear and none other, so of course he did not exist.
I also ask .and has this name Zaphenath-paneah or some form analagous appeared in inscriptions etc?
if such has then this closed minded "skeptic" is refuted and we have good evidence of Joseph.
Good point!!!
I really enjoyed this podcast. They did a great job and the graphics are wonderful and the individuals and Scholars they interviewed are superb. Great job! .Writing on the wall of a cave between 1900 and 1800 BC plus a sentence written on a comb excavated from a tell site in Canaan. That's three indications of proto alphabet. Definitely symbols borrowed from the Egyptians. However, making the jump to say It was the Hebrews that later become Israel as an ethnic group is quite the leap and a sensational statement. So there is the writing in Sinai and some more writing in the land of Canaan. Separated by hundreds of years. The comb does illustrate the advancement of this proto alphabet. But no case Is there an indication of any Hebrew involvement. Such as a name or a place or a deity explicitly as a being Hebrew, Israelite. So there is a void. There is a bias that to try to prove that. Moses had an alphabet to write with. Which is off point. They know of an alphabet since 1906, however, there's no indication of a Moses or a Joseph or Jacob recorded in history or in an archaeological excavation found in situ. So the problem is not with the alphabet. The problem is trying to find the patriarchs.
The Egyptian temple in the Sinai called Serabit el-Khadim is significant because that is the first stop in the Exodus. The temple was a factory producing White Powder of Gold, ORMES, Orbitally rearranged monatomic element, to make the sacred bread. Moses was stocking up before hitting the road. Later, he “burned the golden calf” and fed it to the people. How do you burn gold?
Slaves working in Egyptian Copper mines in the Sinai who knew how to write using a 22 letter phonetic alphabet: Sounds like the People of the Book to me!
The guy at 8:20 is merely conjecturing; he is attempting-to force the biblical narrative but the evidence is not there but he is dishonestly pretending that it is there. He’s the type that willing to mislead people for belief
The real mount Sinai is in Saudi Arabia
And there’s proto Sinai-tic language all around jebel makla and laws. Rephaim battle by the split rock
I suspect that Moses knew the oral stories, and developed a phonetic aleph-bet from Egyptian hieroglyphics. He then wrote down the first (and still most accurate) history, probably on papyrus, genesis to Deuteronomy. The inscriptions in stone that we see are from hebrews who are just learning the ‘new’ form of writing, hence the crude letters and brute usage, and test aleph-bets that you see. What fascinates me is how many languages have almost the same letters in almost the same order based on the earliest Hebrew. An English A or M etc. can easily be traced all the way back.
The story of Joseph does come across as someone who was not only obsessed with data but very talented and skilled with it. Plus the culture of Egypt would have some kind of scribal class of people as part of their job description.
After all far more modern history records that slaves were trained with skills that would benefit their master to secure a means of support for his flesh and blood family.
It would have been nice to see in this video the inscriptions claimed to refer to Joseph and his sons. The evidence or smoking gun, so to speak.
Look into the Hyksos people. It is said that they were outsiders who lived in Northern Egypt. The connection to the story of Genesis is very close. It says in inscription that the eldest son of the Pharaoh (Yanassi) was supposed to be the next king, but suddenly got swapped with his younger brother (Apophos). Listen to the phonetics of these names. They sound very much like their Hebrew counterparts:
Hykos Yakub-her -> Biblical Jacob
Hyksos Khyan-Seth -> Biblical Joseph
Hyksos Yanassi -> Biblical Manasseh
Hyksos Apophis -> Biblical Ephraim
Hyksos Khamudi -> Biblical Shemidah
The inscription is the Aleph Taw direct evidence
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Didn't know that.
7:03
Great refutation.
10:10
Interesting.
11:40
Good note.
Regarding 10:10 "Interesting" ---- There is one notable exception about the lack of a Joseph figure outside of the Bible. It isn't recognized because the accepted timelines don't add up. However, if scholars have messed up the timelines, you will want to look into Imhotep as being the historical Joseph in Egyptian records. The parallels are too much to be dismissed.
Married to an Egyptian priestess
Serving as the most powerful person in the country except for Pharaoh - actually the first person to hold this position
Saved the country during 7 years of drought and then 7 years of prosperity (though reversed order, the biblical order actual makes more logical sense)
And the picture I saw painted of him from his time actually has him look physically different that the Egyptians. So, he was not a true Egyptian. I believe his skin color was different, and he is pictured with a stereotypical (of some Jews) hooked noise.
I believe their are other similarities as well, but I'm working from memory here. Those are the highlights I recall.
In this video, the only one who shows an actual understanding is the man who shows point-by-point that this was Hebrew. I don't know who the blond lady is in the red top. I did pay attention to her name because she didn't say anything that wasn't either dismissive or evidence that she was just a wench that just wanted to State an opinion even though it had absolutely no value, and then four eyes who just said nobody agrees on anyting and I disagree with everybody! It appears that only one of the people that he is interviewing as even put any time into trying to understand what the script is what it says and who is making the markings.
Rolston can only loosely be described as a "scholar." A scholar makes deductions from the evidence, by contrast, Rolston makes deductions from pagan ideologies and atheist philosophy.
Some of the symbols look similar to Vinca script. The rectangle is associated with Indra by some researchers
Hey, Patterns of Evidence team!
Are you guys ever going to feature the translations of these inscriptions by Michael Shelomo Bar-Ron? He seems to have a good grasp of the subject.
5:46
The oldest copies of Exodus (Septuagint, Samaritan Pentateuch) state the 430-Year Sojourn pertains to the time Abraham and his descendants were residing as foreigners without their own country, and even the Apostle Paul later states 'the Law Covenant made with Israel 430 years after Abraham's covenant with Jehovah', making it quite clear that the Israelites were in Egypt no more than 215 years. From Abraham's entering Canaan to Jacob's entering Egypt is exactly 215 years, in fact, and the 4 generations of Israelites who dwelt in Egypt don't allow for 430 year sojourn there, so it becomes clear that Mr Petrovich - as much as I value his work on this subject of inscriptions - is using his preferred understanding of the Exodus chronology to date the inscriptions rather than perhaps strict Egyptian evidence.
That's kind of dodgy, I think.
In his defense, Egyptians didn't strive to keep as precise chronological data as the Israelites did, because Egyptians were very much propagandistic - much like US President 45, recording and exagerrating and even inventing or taking credit for other peoples accomplishments, and denying their defeats, or not even recording them, or even erasing the achievements and mentions of monarchs they didn't like.
With the Bible/Israelites, you get the good, the bad, and the ugly, achievements and defeats, triumphs and humiliations.
The Book of Ezekiel records some important chronological data that I think most people ignore, a prophetic mock siege of Samaria/Kingdom of Israel and another of Jerusalem/Kingdom of Judah.
The sieges begin at the time each Kingdom earns Jehovah's disfavor. With Israel, this begins when their first king Jeroboam causes them to concentrate their worship at sites for calf worship so Jerusalem won't claim their allegiance. 390 days ("a day for a year") Jehovah decrees from the time Israel sins until they go off into exile with Babylon's overthrow of the land, the year Jerusalem is destroyed.
539 BCE is generally recognized as the year that exile ends.
Jeremiah says the exile is 70 years long, bringing us to 607 BCE.
390 years added to that takes us to 997 BCE as the year Jeroboam set up stations of calf worship, his first regnal year and Solomon's last of a 40-year reign, like his father David.
1 Kings 6:1 states the Exodus took place in the 480th year b4 Solomon's 4th regnal year.
Simply counting back from Solomon's 4th year of kingship gives an Exodus date of 1513 BCE, with Jacob entering Egypt in about 1728 BCE.
It's important not to cherry-pick, but consider all the Biblical data on this issue of the 430 Year Sojourn, and un4tunately, Mr Petrovich ignores other scriptural evidence that helps establish an accurate Biblical chronology.
2276 Anno hominem Joseph, 17J., wird verkauft [1Mo 37,2 ff] 1843 B.C.
2289 Joseph, 30 J., über Ägypten gesetzt; nimmt Asnath zur Frau [1Mo 41,41-46] 1830
Der Pharao, der zur Zeit Josephs regierte, war Senwosret III. (1836-1818), sowie dessen Sohn Amenemhet III.(1818-1773).
2513 A.h. Exodus 1606 B.C.
3102 Geburtsjahr Rehabeams (Sohn v. Salomo) [1Kö 14,21] 1017 35. Generation
3103 SALOMO wird König [1Kö 2,12; 1Kö 11,42 und 6,1] 1016
Regiert von 1016 - 976 v.Chr.
3107 Baubeginn des Tempels [1Kö 6,1; 2Chr3] 1012 Bestätigung der 480 Jahre [Gott rechnet die 114 Jahre der Unterdrückung während der Richterzeit nicht] [6,1]
3114 Fertigstellung des Tempels [1Kö 6,37] 1005 7 Jahre Bauzeit [1Kö 6,37-38]
3114 Baubeginn des Hauses Salomos [1Kö 7,1; 9,10] 1005
3127 Fertigstellung d. Hauses Salomos [1Kö 7,1; 9,10] 992 13 Jahre Bauzeit [1Kö 7,1]
3143 Salomo stirbt [1.Kö 11,42] 976
3144 REICHSTEILUNG in JUDA und ISRAEL 975
Kurt Becker, Biblische Chronologie der Menschheitsgeschichte [leben-ist-mehr . at / chronologie/]
Let me correct your numbering. That was US President 44.
Odd place to be political.
@@JesusOurGoel Well, we're talking about the fact that the Ancient Egyptians kept histories that were in accord with the wishes of the government, a government given to lies, exaggerations, and a constant denial of that which made them look humiliated.
So yes, , that's president 45, trump to a tee (golf pun not intended).
I'm an outdide onlooker into American politics. I've seen him with his own mouth claim as his own the achievements of others b4 him then flee or deflect or insult when called out on it.
I mention him in connection with the propagandistic traits of ancient Egyptian politics which makes Egyptian history difficult to fix precise time periods to as a result of missing or false in4mation. There weren't an abundance of other Egyptian commentaries to keep the government honest or in check, after all, which USA has, at least.
@@Bimfirestarter I don't think you know enough to make a judgement regarding Trump or American media.
@@Bimfirestarter you nailed it.
I'm just wondering, as the Proto-Sinaitic scripts is considered the earliest trace of alphabetic writing and the common ancestor of both the Ancient South Arabian script and the Phoenician alphabet, is there any possibility that the scripts were already exist during the life of the prophet Abraham? Especially he was in Egypt for some time in his life. Or even, it is Abraham himself and his family who introduced such scripts to the people where they lived with?
@mfadls. Interesting surmising about Abraham, but I don't think Abraham was in Egypt long enough to do something like that. Joseph, on the other hand was in Egypt about 90-95 years and was a integral part of the Egyptian government for about 80 years.
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I criticized Mr Petrovich enough so in this case I gotta say how cool it is and really how 4tunate it is to have a Proto-Sinaitic (or Proto-Hebrew, really) inscription connected to an Egyptian one that has an actual date! -after a fashion. From the reign of Pharaoh Amenemhat III, if I recall correct?
One of the tricky things the other more skeptical scholar mentioned was how it can be hard to give a date to the inscriptions based on hard evidence, but this example seems like a good place to start.
This is Baybayin Script. The oldest script used by the descendants of Noah.
Filipino Baybayin writers can easily read it. I for one can read the inscriptions easily.
Yes. They look like baybayin scripts.
These are the people that keep humanity from understanding what languages, and what the word of God is. The path themselves in the back build museums and get money. And still have no idea what is going on.
The book of Jubilees teaches that Enoch was the FIRST to learn writing and that he wrote books for his sons to read. How were his sons able to READ what he wrote? How was the Bible able to QUOTE him? His sons must have been able TO READ or the books would have been USELESS!
And in the eleventh jubilee Yered took to himself a woman, and her name was Baraka, the daughter of Rasujal, a daughter of his father's brother, in the fourth week of this jubilee, and she bore him a son in the fifth week, in the fourth year of the jubilee, and he called his name Chanok. And he was the first among men that are born on earth who learned writing and knowledge and wisdom and who wrote down the signs of heaven according to the order of their months in a cepher, that men might know the seasons of the years according to the order of their separate months. And he was the first to write a testimony and he testified to the sons of men among the generations of the earth, and recounted the weeks of the jubilees, and made known to them the days of the years, and set in order the months and recounted the Shabbathoth of the years as we made them, known to him. And what was and what will be he saw in a vision of his sleep, as it will happen to the children of men throughout their generations until the day of judgment; he saw and understood everything, and wrote his testimony, and placed the testimony on earth for all the children of men and for their generations. And in the twelfth jubilee, in the seventh week thereof, he took to himself a woman, and her name was Edna, the daughter of Dan'el, the daughter of his father's brother, and in the sixth year in this week she bore him a son and he called his name Methushelach. And he was moreover with the angels of ELOHIYM these six jubilees of years, and they showed him everything which is on earth and in the heavens, the rule of the sun, and he wrote down everything. YOVHELIYM (JUBILEES) 4:16-21 את CEPHER
And he testified to the Watchers, who had sinned with the daughters of men; for these had begun to unite themselves, so as to be defiled, with the daughters of men, and Chanok testified against them all. And he was taken from amongst the children of men, and we conducted him into the Garden of Eden in majesty and honour, and behold there he writes down the condemnation and judgment of the world, and all the wickedness of the children of men. And on account of it ELOHIYM brought the waters of the flood upon all the land of Eden; for there he was set as a sign and that he should testify against all the children of men, that he should recount all the deeds of the generations until the day of condemnation. YOVHELIYM (JUBILEES) 4:22-24 את CEPHER
Noah ALSO had the ability to WRITE and left books for his sons before his death. How was this possible UNLESS he and his sons could ALSO READ.
And Noach wrote down all things in a cepher as we instructed him concerning every kind of medicine. Thus the evil ruachoth were precluded from hurting the sons of Noach. And he gave all that he had written to Shem, his eldest son; for he loved him exceedingly above all his sons. YOVHELIYM (JUBILEES) 10:13-14 את CEPHER
Even Avraham was given books and the ability to understand the "tongue of creation" and he transcribed them. So Abraham could ALSO read and write.
And YAHUAH ELOHIYM said: Open his mouth and his ears, that he may hear and speak with his mouth, with the language which has been revealed; for it had ceased from the mouths of all the children of men from the day of the overthrow of Babel. And I opened his mouth, and his ears and his lips, and I began to speak with him in Ivriyt in the tongue of the creation. And he took the cepheriym of his fathers, and these were written in Ivriyt, and he transcribed them, and he began from henceforth to study them, and I made known to him that which he could not understand, and he studied them during the six rainy months. YOVHELIYM (JUBILEES) 12:25-27 את CEPHER
Abraham recounts what he READ in the books of Enoch and Noah.
And eat its meat on that day and on the second day, and let not the sun on the second day go down upon it till it is eaten, and let nothing be left over for the third day; for it is not acceptable for it is not approved and let it no longer be eaten, and all who eat thereof will bring sin upon themselves; for thus I have found it written in the cepheriym of my forefathers, and in the words of Chanok, and in the words of Noach. YOVHELIYM (JUBILEES) 21:10 את CEPHER
These books that began with Enoch and Noah were passed down from Enoch to Noah who wrote more, to Abraham, to Isaac, to Jacob, then to Levi.
And he gave all his cepheriym and the cepheriym of his fathers to Leviy his son that he might guard them and renew them for his children until this day. YOVHELIYM (JUBILEES) 45:16 את CEPHER
ALL of the patriarchs beginning with Enoch could READ AND WRITE! The Isrealites likely could READ AND WRITE! One of their patriarchs, Abraham, was given the ability to understand and read the original language from creation. I wonder WHAT LANGUAGE would that be? Likely a Hebrew one??? AND that means Noah's sons would have known this language cause Enoch lived BEFORE Babel and likely spoke and wrote the original language from creation. The books given to Noah would have been this language. And they were left to his sons who ALSO knew this language prior to Babel. The question is what language did Abraham transcribe these books into??? And was the original language he was given the ability to read passed down to Isaac, Jacob and his sons???
You really need to do some real research. The book of Enoch is a Jewish fable started around 300 BC by a sect outside of Jerusalem and finished in about 100 BC. It wasn't written by the preflood Enoch. The book has been debunked multiple times. It contradicts it's self multiple time by the additions of multiple authors. It was just embellishments written out to make one look more knowledgeable than those in Jerusalem. And people are still chasing after it like drooling children thinking that they great knowledge.
Niether angels or fallen angels are the "son's of God", they may take physical form, but have no DNA for reproduction. Job 1:6, 2:1, and 38:7 are translation errors. The descendants of Farmer Adam are the "son's of God" with inherited DNA and title, Luke 3:38, John 10:34, Psalms 82:6, Hosea 1:10, etc.
This one verse proves the book of Enoch is false.
Hebrews 1:5 (WMB, Public Domain)
⁵ For to which of the angels did he say at any time, “You are my Son. Today I have become your father?” and again, “I will be to him a Father, and he will be to me a Son?”
What's the Bible state about fables?
1 Timothy 1;4, 1 Timothy 4;7, 2 Timothy 4;3,4, Titus 1:14, 2 Peter 1;16
Proto-Sinaitic was almost certainly used to record the Torah. Moses was educated in the court of Pharoah, so he certainly knew how to write. Even in the 15 century BC writing was well-established.
Everything that you’re saying right now shows a supreme lack of awareness of what the Bronze Age world was like, it was not quite as advanced over all stretches of the world like you are imagining it. Writing was extremely rare, and the alphabet was not widespread basically until after the beginning of recovery from the Bronze Age collapse (if we exclude china).
Well-established? Not quite. Alphabetic writing most likely did not exist yet.
@@garrettrye6951 yes, it was pretty rare and it wasn’t widespread, but Moses, being educated in the court of pharaoh, almost certainly knew how to write if he was who he says he was.
@@garrettrye6951 Alphabetic script developed with the Phoenicians. Semitic and Indo European languages write in a derivative of the script
Moses didn’t write the Torah.
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This leads me to take the leap to believe that Joseph wrote GENESIS.
There is a YODA in every room Hhmmm
Looks like early Hebrew
The Hebrew script was invented about 1850 BC during the time Of Amenenhat III. This is the time of Abraham. Hebrew Legend has it that it was Abraham who invented the Alphabet. Thus there may be a vindication of Hebrew tradition.
Interesting
I don't agree that the Proto-Sinaitic script was borrowed from Egyptian hieroglyphs to "invent" aforesaid language as that would mean the Egyptians first learned their letters and spread it to the world; but the opposite is true that God taught select men Proto-Sinaitic Hebrew and it was through Hebrew letters that mankind became enlightened. If you look at the first ten generations before the Flood of Noah, they all have their children Hebrew names while themselves not being Hebrew; and when you look at the first man, God gave him a Hebrew name, and Adam gave his wife a Hebrew name: therefore Adam learned Hebrew from God and that is why you don't see much difference in the alphabet of the Hebrews, Babylonians, and Assyrians because Adam learned Proto-Sinaitic Hebrew if you will. That said God did mix up Babylonian and Assyrian enough so that they were distinct from Hebrew.
How could Adam learn Hebrew without being Hebrew? The same way all ancient and modern people can learn a foreign language without being born into said ethnic groups which those languages and dialects belong to. There wouldn't be translators or polyglots if this were not true.
I do feel like the gentleman is reaching a bit far, calling much circumstantial evidence to be true undisputed fact. Circumstantial evidence is better than none at all, but you must be intellectually honest enough to realise that's what it is.
3:14 signs as consonants or vokals ?
Consonants. We're talking about the Hebrew Alphabet when they say "Proto-Sinaitic" or the ancestor of Hebrew.
Mainstream academia has long said it's Canaanite, but the Bible places the Semitic Israelites in Egypt in the Middle Kingdom period that these inscriptions correspond to.
The inscriptions cease to appear in Egypt with the sudden disappearance of a large Semitic group around the time of Pharaoh Dudimose (before the Hyksos), then in a few decades, this alphabet begins to appear in Canaan, eventually becoming the dominant script in the region.
I can prove where it started. Ironically, if it was the basis for the English alphabet, then shock horror, it started in Britain. I have evidence m
Perhaps , maybe , we believe. When I hear this I always leave the reality and step in the Disney World. If you are not sure of what you teach to others why you teach others this stuff in the first place!
Are these scholars atheists or something? How is it a new revelation that that the oldest language and writing system is Hebrew (Proto-Hebrew), when the Bible (and I believe the Book of Jubilees, but don't hold me to it) actually says that there was one language spoken by everyone up until the Tower of Babel, and that Eber and his family kept the original language because Eber refused to participate in the building of the tower? Why are these scholars so skeptical about the Bible? It's a history book, for crying out loud.
*oldest language and writing system is Hebrew *
Hebrew is dated to the 8th century BCE
Egyptian and Sumerian are dated to around 4000 BCE that is over 3000 years before Hebrew.
The Bible is dated to the 6th century. How you ask?
[Genesis 11]
11:27 Now these are the generations of Terah: Terah begat Abram,
Nahor, and Haran; and Haran begat Lot.
11:28 And Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his
nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees.
*The Chaldeans do not take control of Babylon (Ur) until 626BCE*
Along with other bible passages to date it.
No, it is not a history book.
@@fordprefect5304 Hebrew (Proto-Hebrew) has a very unusual (not to say impossible) feature: It's a phonetic alphabet and it's iconographic at the same time. Every letter is an icon with inherent meaning. And the meaning of all letters in a word reflect the meaning of the word.
So you can read/understand large parts by just looking at the words - without knowing the language. I heard that some teachers today use this original alphabet to teach Hebrew very successfully.
But you cannot artificially create such an incredible system after the fact - without designing the language and the alphabet together at the same time.
(This amazing feature got lost when the Jews changed their alphabet during the Babylonian exile)
@@ReadersOfTheApocalypse Hebrew came for the Phoenicians/Canaanites.
The Israelites/Hebrews oldest know writing dates to 850BCE.
The Israelites modified it over time. Nothing new.
@@fordprefect5304Congratulations on your exemplary use of critical thinking skills.
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Didn't God call Enoch a scribe?
11:18
Again, he's arriving at the date using a flawed understanding of the Biblical data regarding the chronology of the Exodus and using it to date the inscriptions.
Tricky business, that.
Exodus 1606 B.C.
This Petrovich sounds like guys talking about UFO´s proof or ancient astronauts
The earliest script writing we know of comes from Sumeria, predating Canaan by more than a millennia. Because the script isn't written in an Arabic alphabet doesn't mean it's not script. Hebrew and Greek were developed roughly simultaneously and derived from the Phoenician alphabet after the collapse of the Bronze Age in 1177 when the remnants of the Sea Peoples became the Phoenicians.
False Opinions, The Paleo is Much Older in Syria, and iraq, Some in Ecuador BC 7,000 Found petroglyphs, Pre Noah, Abraham,All Had Paleo Written Alef Beit
Are you saying that written evidence that predates the flood is still around? That would be something to see!😮
@@basketcase-0140 ,.. you can Start by Listening to Books of Hanok /Enok, Yubilee/ Jubilees, the Original is in Paleo Pictographs Found among (The Dead Sea Scrolls,) Also, Google Put Most of them FREE on internet with Zoom Transliterations,
There Are Other Ancient Paleo Inscriptions in Stone, in Ecuador, Australia, and Chile, Africa, but Hard to Accses, Rarely Reported,...
Even Some in Ancient Antactica citis Library under the ice... See Michael Salla, interviews Secret Space Prog. JP
@@basketcase-0140 YES
Professor Douglas Petrovich needs to learn about the 22 symbol/letter Egyptian Hieratic script. It was developed a thousand years before Joseph was born. It's the mother alphabet. You can't date rock etchings unless they date themselves by a date or event. A few etchings located by a dated event in a different script doesn't date the etchings as being done in the same time frame. The patina in and around the etchings can imply an age or which etching nearby is older.
David Rohl nails it about Moses having the ability to write the 1st 5 books of the Bible.
From the transcript;
"11:48 he had the ability because he was a 11:50 prince of egypt he was educated 11:52 he would have been educated in reading 11:54 and writing ancient hieroglyphs well you 11:55 didn't have the ability to write hebrew 11:57 right uh well no he did you see this is 11:59 the point 12:00 with these inscriptions these 12:02 protestantic inscriptions we have an 12:04 alphabet now at the time that i would 12:06 put joseph and moses in other words that 12:09 era is when this comes into being for 12:11 the first time so if joseph prince was 12:15 the person who invented this method of 12:16 writing the semitic language as a script 12:20 moses would have learned that very 12:21 easily and very quickly and that would 12:23 have been the form of writing that he 12:25 would use to write the narrative of the 12:27 exodus journey the laws 12:30 of the of the israelites that would be 12:32 you know handed down"
Moses was an educated Egyptian prince, he would know how to read and write in Hieroglyphs and the 22 letter Egyptian Hieratic script. He used the Hieratic script to write phonetically in the Hebrew language. Once you have a sound sign script, you can write any vocal language phonetically. This alphabet I'm using is Latin script. It's used to write many different languages. Did Joesph write in Hebrew? Show me the verse in the Bible that states he wrote in Hebrew script. You won't find it. I will speculate on the day when the true tablets are revealed so that we can see God's Laws written on them. It will be in Hebrew written in Egyptian Hieratic script. I doubt Paleo-Hebrew existed yet and probably wouldn't for a few hundred years.
I believe that to💯🙏🏻
Have archaeologists ever hunting for a needle in the haystack, and not found one? (dinosaur fossils)
For 20,000 year old etching... looks fresh as last year.
You should have blown dust on it or something... hilarious
It’s not 2000 years old it’s around 3500.
Paleo Hebrew
Exodus 1606 B.C. according to in God's word the Bible revealed biblical chronology.
1450s bc.
@@dadsonworldwide3238 1446 BC
@@ajrwilde14 splitting hairs arent we ? Egypts timeline and all of the regions is out of wack by many years so I don't thing anyone can be that exact
We gave a date on the oldest proto cannonite alphabetical letters. One could argue the alphabetical exodus was even earlier
The early Jew's I'm guessing used this.
Perhaps this is just a travelling person from another land that has little language and vocabulary and carved some stuff to add to the other stuff from others. The lack of sophistication means nothing age wise at all.
Canaan was black, Proto-Canaanite alphabet.
Amenemhat III (amen, math).
Erased from history via the Bible and written in as cured into slavery. It’s deeply rooted.
The Canaanites were never Black, their DNA shows that the Lebanese are the direct descendants of the Canaanites and they were never Negroid.
You Negroes have got to stop with this nonsense, the Canaanites and Israelites were brown Caucasians.
@@clinton5330 from western Asia
@@shainazion4073 According to the Bible.... Canaan was a son of Ham who is the father of the African nations and the blackest and most "negroid" of peoples were fathered by him! Ham's sons were:
Canaan
Cush (Ethiopia/Sudan)
Mizraim (Egypt)
Put (Libya)
These were literal brothers with the SAME FATHER. Take from this what you will. Remember, Hamites OFTEN MIXED with semetics (decendants of Shem). Hagar was Egytptian and she and Avraham created Ishamael. Moses' wife was Cushite, Joseph's wife was Egpytian and they created Manasseh and Ephraim who were adopted as sons of Jacob and given land alotments in Israel.
Remember, many of the current occupants of the Levant/Mesopotamian area are decendants of INVADERS. Greece (Europeans] , Rome (Europeans) , and the Ottoman empire (European) moved in and their remnants can be seen in the European appearance of the people today.
The original ancients of those areas have been long gone and replaced.
@@markita.hardenhome And In Real Life they have genetically sequenced the Ancient Canaanites and they were NOT Negroid. The Lebanese are their direct descendants with 93% of their DNA. The Lebanese are not Negroid.
And, there are plenty of times you see even brothers that are different skin tones. Noah was born bright White with White long hair and blue eyes. We don't know what skin tone Naamah had. In science, if a "white" parent has children with a "black" parent. There is a 1/64 chance of the child being the same color as the white or black parent. The children can be any color from very light to very dark.
What is a definite article?😂 it’s amateurs hour & he’s a scholar! SHAME!!! “I stumbled across evidence@…? in the dark?Look up Stan Tenan & quote before Napoleon.
I’m sure he was asking him to clarify for the general audience watching.