Love your channel! I measured the bore exit on my H&R .410 (full choke, topper 88), and found that it was about .395. I pour all my own ball and conicals for my BP guns, and for my 61 Navy, both measure .38. I started making Buckshot (only 3 in the Magtech) and "slug" rounds with these. One can back up the conical with a bit more powder, and it is a really hard hitter! Both have pretty good accuracy out to 20 yards (3 to 4 inch pattern). I've only ever used Pyrodex P in my .410 for birdshot, about 18 gr, with a couple cardboard wads and however much shot I can get in. I find patterns hold together well out to 15 yards, reasonable out to 20, but then fall away quickly after that. Still, have taken loads of squirrels and rabbits. Caution tho: I have started fires with close up shots (maybe 10 yards) after a bunny holds tight to the end. Wherever you are in the world, keep this in mind. Thanks again!
I have a little old h&r topper deluxe single shot .410 my grandfather got for my father at 11. He was very small stature at the time as any 11 year old so my grandfather sawed about 2 or 3 inches off the stock for dad and called it a day. Will never part with it, been wanting to do this. Also it has an ejector like yours and is fun to catch the empty shells as the fly and smoke in the air.
I just got done having a great time reloading some magtech .410 brass shells with BP. I used pyrodex RS with my first 5 shells being 25 grains with 2 leather wads over powder and a .375 round ball bare with another leather wad on top and it shot great. The next load I tried was 30 grains with the same load order. At 25yrds it shot witching about a 7inch circle. I can’t even get factory slugs to shoot that great 😂 thank you for the idea and the great video.
I also have a full choke so the largest round balls I could find were .375 and the factory slugs just fly all over. That’s why I was so excited with 7 inch group😂
I have started using white Elmer's glue to seal my brass shells. It's cheap, easy, dries clear and most importantly it cleans up with water. Be sure your OS card is a tight fit though so the glue can't run down into the shot before it dries.
Thanks for the Love. I stumbled onto one of your videos a few months ago. Rediscovered your channel last night while looking for info on making BP. Anyway, stayed up way past my bed time watching the bulk of your postings. Good stuff, many thanks, so on. Also, few RUclipsr's mention other RUclipsr's in a positive light. Kudos for referencing Duelist1954. I subscribed and hit the bell.
I was using Elmers, and tried wood glue as well, but was having many of them fall apart and leak shot all over. I saw that someone was using bathtube caulk, and I have been using it for 3 or so years, and don't think I've had any fall apart since.
Every gun is different, but lots of experience has showed that when using black powder in muzzle loading shotguns and in shotshells, 2F powder consistently produces more evenly distributed patterns in the small gauges aka 14, 16, 20, 28, and 410 than 3F. This is because the pressure curve of 2F is cooler and results in somewhat lower velocities which give you better patterns in general. And remember the 410 with shot is still a shotgun and not a rifle. The velocity sweet spot for lead shot is 1,200 fps or lower. Makes no difference if the shot is traveling at the "speed of light".....if the pattern is ragged and uneven with donuts and holes...lost game and missed targets will no doubt be the result more times than not. Every gun is different so shooting lots of paper to find what your gun really likes is essential. Just food for thought and consideration.
I loved those old farm guns. They were cheap ,always worked and were suitable for leaving in the barn. I had a mess of them. Wish I would have kept one. Except for an early 70’s H&R Topper. It was a 12 gauge that came with a .22 hornet barrel. The hornet barrel couldn’t shoot a two inch group at 50 yards. The gun only weighed five pounds. It was great to carry, but it was brutal to shoot in 12 gauge. I’m not the least bit recoil shy. I would shoot my brother’s Ruger number one, in .458 Winchester magnum in a tee shirt until I had a reverse image of the buttstock Ruger logo imprinted on my shoulder in purple. That didn’t bother me. But that little five pound Topper would jump up and smack you in the face every time no matter how you held it. I don’t miss that one.(well, maybe a little.)
I'm curious how much more you've experimented with these since this video. In addition to stepping up to 30 grains of powder, have you considered trying FFF instead of FF? .410, being small as it is, may benefit from a faster burning pistol powder rather than the slower burning rifle/shotgun powder.
What type of primers does the Magtech brass use? Can you use a .45 cal round instead of shot for this cartridge? Have a .45/.410 rifled pistol barrel adaptor for my 12 gauge shotgun and its chambered for yes a 3" shell.
Are you suggesting .45 Colt in a .410? You might get a .45 Colt into a .410 shotgun chamber but consider forcing a .45 cal bullet to squeeze down to .410 bore. At best it would be abusive to your gun and at worst a really bad day. Also the walls of these brass .410 shells are thinner than for the plastic ones. What projectile might fit in the brass .410 shell might also not fit the bore. That said, .380 round balls are common as a "slug" for .410 shotguns. You'd probably have to play with the wad stack to center the ball, perhaps with a Stump-36 from BPI over the Nitro, cork and card wads. Anyway, not being a smart ass, I just don't want anyone to make a goof they can't take back. Happy shooting!
Probably wouldn't want to do this with your grandfather's shotgun but I wonder how it would work with something like a 45-50grain charge and a .45 caliber projectile. If you could have something like that with shotgun cartridges as well it'd probably make a decent all purpose hunting gun, granted you can hit anything with a bead sight
Hey I'm 2 years late but your welcome!? Haha just seeing this for the first time ! Yeah it was a little low power, ment for really old guns ( on the safe side)
When I did it it was with pyrodex RS the 2F “equivalent”. I remember following an article I read that said equal parts by volume powder to shot and went with 60gn volume Pyrodex RS to 60gn volume of #6 shot and boy was it stout! I think something was wrong with that load. I did that in my CVA Wolf once too, 100gn 2F and 100gn volume of #6 shot and it’s not for the wimpy. Didn’t hit shit, all but a couple pieces of shot went outside the box I was shooting at probably because of the rifling. A 20ga shot was/cup might’ve made a difference to pattern but I read a list of BP loads for shotshells some time ago from way back and they weren’t using 60gn powder to push 1/8 Oz of shot
Nice!
I just finished my powder, just waiting for a hot day to bake It in the sun to drive off all moisture.
Excellent!
Nice! I have a box of .410 brass to try out someday. Thanks, Mike
Great little squirrel gun!
Thanks for sharing!
Love your channel! I measured the bore exit on my H&R .410 (full choke, topper 88), and found that it was about .395. I pour all my own ball and conicals for my BP guns, and for my 61 Navy, both measure .38. I started making Buckshot (only 3 in the Magtech) and "slug" rounds with these. One can back up the conical with a bit more powder, and it is a really hard hitter! Both have pretty good accuracy out to 20 yards (3 to 4 inch pattern).
I've only ever used Pyrodex P in my .410 for birdshot, about 18 gr, with a couple cardboard wads and however much shot I can get in. I find patterns hold together well out to 15 yards, reasonable out to 20, but then fall away quickly after that. Still, have taken loads of squirrels and rabbits.
Caution tho: I have started fires with close up shots (maybe 10 yards) after a bunny holds tight to the end. Wherever you are in the world, keep this in mind.
Thanks again!
I have a little old h&r topper deluxe single shot .410 my grandfather got for my father at 11. He was very small stature at the time as any 11 year old so my grandfather sawed about 2 or 3 inches off the stock for dad and called it a day. Will never part with it, been wanting to do this. Also it has an ejector like yours and is fun to catch the empty shells as the fly and smoke in the air.
I just got done having a great time reloading some magtech .410 brass shells with BP. I used pyrodex RS with my first 5 shells being 25 grains with 2 leather wads over powder and a .375 round ball bare with another leather wad on top and it shot great. The next load I tried was 30 grains with the same load order. At 25yrds it shot witching about a 7inch circle. I can’t even get factory slugs to shoot that great 😂 thank you for the idea and the great video.
I also have a full choke so the largest round balls I could find were .375 and the factory slugs just fly all over. That’s why I was so excited with 7 inch group😂
Cool! Looks Like fun!
Black powder would take up some more room in the case. I made 3" 410 out of 9.3x74R brass. Might have to try it out!
405 win would be a decent candidate also.
I have started using white Elmer's glue to seal my brass shells. It's cheap, easy, dries clear and most importantly it cleans up with water. Be sure your OS card is a tight fit though so the glue can't run down into the shot before it dries.
Thanks for the Love. I stumbled onto one of your videos a few months ago. Rediscovered your channel last night while looking for info on making BP. Anyway, stayed up way past my bed time watching the bulk of your postings. Good stuff, many thanks, so on. Also, few RUclipsr's mention other RUclipsr's in a positive light. Kudos for referencing Duelist1954. I subscribed and hit the bell.
Thank you!
I was using Elmers, and tried wood glue as well, but was having many of them fall apart and leak shot all over. I saw that someone was using bathtube caulk, and I have been using it for 3 or so years, and don't think I've had any fall apart since.
Every gun is different, but lots of experience has showed that when using black powder in muzzle loading shotguns and in shotshells, 2F powder consistently produces more evenly distributed patterns in the small gauges aka 14, 16, 20, 28, and 410 than 3F. This is because the pressure curve of 2F is cooler and results in somewhat lower velocities which give you better patterns in general. And remember the 410 with shot is still a shotgun and not a rifle. The velocity sweet spot for lead shot is 1,200 fps or lower. Makes no difference if the shot is traveling at the "speed of light".....if the pattern is ragged and uneven with donuts and holes...lost game and missed targets will no doubt be the result more times than not. Every gun is different so shooting lots of paper to find what your gun really likes is essential. Just food for thought and consideration.
I loved those old farm guns. They were cheap ,always worked and were suitable for leaving in the barn. I had a mess of them. Wish I would have kept one.
Except for an early 70’s H&R Topper. It was a 12 gauge that came with a .22 hornet barrel. The hornet barrel couldn’t shoot a two inch group at 50 yards.
The gun only weighed five pounds. It was great to carry, but it was brutal to shoot in 12 gauge.
I’m not the least bit recoil shy. I would shoot my brother’s Ruger number one, in .458 Winchester magnum in a tee shirt until I had a reverse image of the buttstock Ruger logo imprinted on my shoulder in purple. That didn’t bother me. But that little five pound Topper would jump up and smack you in the face every time no matter how you held it. I don’t miss that one.(well, maybe a little.)
I'm curious how much more you've experimented with these since this video. In addition to stepping up to 30 grains of powder, have you considered trying FFF instead of FF? .410, being small as it is, may benefit from a faster burning pistol powder rather than the slower burning rifle/shotgun powder.
I like my single shot 410. No excuses needed there
I appreciate the info!
I would like to load mag-tech for my 20 g single shot for the dove turkey small game. do you have a good recipe for?
What type of primers does the Magtech brass use? Can you use a .45 cal round instead of shot for this cartridge? Have a .45/.410 rifled pistol barrel adaptor for my 12 gauge shotgun and its chambered for yes a 3" shell.
They use a large pistol primer. I haven’t tried using anything but shot.
Are you suggesting .45 Colt in a .410? You might get a .45 Colt into a .410 shotgun chamber but consider forcing a .45 cal bullet to squeeze down to .410 bore. At best it would be abusive to your gun and at worst a really bad day. Also the walls of these brass .410 shells are thinner than for the plastic ones. What projectile might fit in the brass .410 shell might also not fit the bore. That said, .380 round balls are common as a "slug" for .410 shotguns. You'd probably have to play with the wad stack to center the ball, perhaps with a Stump-36 from BPI over the Nitro, cork and card wads. Anyway, not being a smart ass, I just don't want anyone to make a goof they can't take back. Happy shooting!
Probably wouldn't want to do this with your grandfather's shotgun but I wonder how it would work with something like a 45-50grain charge and a .45 caliber projectile. If you could have something like that with shotgun cartridges as well it'd probably make a decent all purpose hunting gun, granted you can hit anything with a bead sight
What do you figure is the most powder you should use?
As much as you can fit into that little 410 case
@@Everythingblackpowder I was kind of concerned about blowing my self up. Thinking about trying it with a round ball
If you’re using black powder you don’t have anything to worry about
Hey I'm 2 years late but your welcome!? Haha just seeing this for the first time ! Yeah it was a little low power, ment for really old guns ( on the safe side)
I am thinking maybe 3f powder for such a small bore, just my humble opinion.
Good idea
When I did it it was with pyrodex RS the 2F “equivalent”. I remember following an article I read that said equal parts by volume powder to shot and went with 60gn volume Pyrodex RS to 60gn volume of #6 shot and boy was it stout! I think something was wrong with that load. I did that in my CVA Wolf once too, 100gn 2F and 100gn volume of #6 shot and it’s not for the wimpy. Didn’t hit shit, all but a couple pieces of shot went outside the box I was shooting at probably because of the rifling. A 20ga shot was/cup might’ve made a difference to pattern but I read a list of BP loads for shotshells some time ago from way back and they weren’t using 60gn powder to push 1/8 Oz of shot
In my experience 2FG is really too slow for a small bore like 410, 3FG does work better.
I had a gun just like that, belonged to my dad
Too bad you traded it for a case of beer.
@@Everythingblackpowder when do I get the beer?
@@jah6208 it’s on my list of things to do.