Never had an issue with my ‘20 390 Adventure. Only had 10k miles of Colorado canyons and old mining roads, never an issue. The guy who bought has ridden part of CO BDR without issue too.
I have the 890 Adventure R and am looking forward to seeing the 390 Enduro as I dont travel as much as I thought I would with the 890.Not to many BDRs in ON.Canada.
KTM have addressed the reliability issues, personally I`ve owned 2 KTMs with absolutely no problems and currently riding the 2024 Duke390 and looking forward to owning the 2025 KTM 390ADV R. I love kTm😁
keep telling yourself that , looks like a typical fanboy sells them and buys another one , 70 000 klms haha even 20 000 for ktm wont make it without troubles or failures
@@motozz8258 If you can`t trade up every year you`ll get left behind. My bikes, trucks and cars are always new and fully paid for, fully serviced and fully enjoyed. Keep cryin🤣. I love KTM😁.
The KTM are solid bikes. Except for the 790/890 which are clearly jokes on wheels and are not addressed properly by KTM. It is a real shame for their reputation.
that was the only thing I wanted in the bike..... that 6th gear. I like all the rest as it works foe generations of folks & now there's so many of them laying around you'll have parts forever. But that's why I like the 25 yrs of old DRz's. 6th Gear would make it so much better. peace
I'm saving for a dual sport bike & I'm actively following 12 or so bikes w/ the DRz400 as one I like. I knew you can change up the sprockets to give better speed/grunt but are you saying there's a "Gear Kit" that rearranges how the bike operates? Great idea & I hadn't heard or seen anyone doing this. I'll have to ask(research) the question in the proper way to get the answer = thanks for telling me it exists b/c this is an answer to my highway speed issues, I need a bike that can go 75mph but not be at the top of the rpm's or vibrating hard. A smooth 75mph. Now the Honda 500x will do that but w/ each bike we have pro's/con's - thanks for letting me know this. peace
Guys it is 38HP euro5+. That means that with airfilter, decat and exhaust it will have at least 5HP more, maybe 10 at mid rpm. That is more than 10Hp more than the old european version, so there is the 6th gear for you. I am also disappointed on the new DRZ, on many levels, but it is still the only bike in it's category and it is better than it's predecessor.
I don't like my chances of resisting the new DRZ4S, having owned an 09 DRZ400E for many years with many fond memories. Those things are tough as they get.
Can't ride a spec sheet we will just have to wait and see. One reason these 400 450 class ADVs aren't all that light is the A2 license requirements minimum weight of 385. I believe the old 390 was listed at 386 for that reason.
Yeah I'm thinking the same thing, they'll squeeze it into the weight class for A2/LAMS (downunder) licences. I wonder if it would be the kind of bike that is easy enough to shed weight off. I know the Himmy 450 can lose about 15-20kg just from removing or changing parts
The actual A2 rule is that the power to weight ratio cant be more than 0.2 kw/kg. Since ktm pumped this power up to 45hp, the max weight for this bike is 363lbs, which is exactly much the duke weighs. Ktm has pushed these 390 bikes to the A2 weight limit, given the 45hp motor.
Ill be looking to ride an adv-converted drz4s. Because suzuki kept the power down at 38hp, they were able to produce a 330lbs dual sport. Will gladly add a comfy seat and windscreen to save 70lbs over a 390 adventure R.
This might be the right bike for an older man. I have had 9 KTMs since mid 80s, and they have always offered most fun, by far (by the same time period I have had 1x Suzuki, 2x Kawasaki and 3x Yamaha dual sports or adventure bikes, so my opinion is not based on one or two bikes only). If you buy a bike for commuting, get Honda. If for fun, get KTM.
I would like to have all three of those new bikes, though I would be a lot more interested if they were all based on a "490" engine rather than 390. 500cc really is the sweet spot for a motorcycle that will be used on both street and dirt.
Apparently drz wont hold tc or abs settings so ill likely be getting the 390 adv R. Its the unicorn ive been waiting for anyways but of course with ktm im concerned about reliability.
I'd like it if Honda took the 286cc engine from the CB300R and plinked into an offroad capable frame. That engine is so much fun and it'll be a blast offroad too I suspect.
None of these bikes fit me (too tall). I am looking forward BMW F450 instead. I know BMW has a tendency to make a standard/tall and lower version for rest of us. Currently riding 310GS.
KTM may be having cam issues w/ the LC8C engines, but the Bajaj produced 390 engines have been reliable for years and have the advantage of RC CUP international racing heritage! Believe that the updated LC4C, 399cc power plant will follow suit. Slightly increased bore and stroke w/ 46mm throttle body should slightly lower stress to engine! Long live KTM!
I had a 2023 390 adventure. I ultimately traded it in due to the lack of highway power. It also lacked cruise and tubeless wheels. I see the new one has cruise but it looks like the same power plant and unsure about tubeless until all the specs are in. I traded mine for a Tuareg 660 that comes in at 450lbs. If I’m hearing correctly the new 390 adventure will be 400.
@pinpon - Sometimes these days the increased displacement is offset by new emission controls and their weight. It's possible the 399 doesn't have a discernible power difference from the 373. Certainly a massive difference between it and a Tuareg. But 50 pounds is really noticeable off road, so there's also that.
The weight makes me a little nervous, and I'm sure it's just to get that A2 license. It does seem like manufacturers are starting to cotton on to what people actually want out of their adv bikes, though, which is a generally good sign for the market. Now we need Honda and Yamaha to offer a lightweight single cylinder adv bike, maybe based on their dual sport bikes with a fairing, bigger fuel tank and longer service intervals (I do realise in order to do that, we'd probably lose some power). A CRF 450 rally and a Yamaha Tenere 500/450 would be awesome
If we do see either of those models I'm hoping they bump that displacement to 550-600cc to make up for the detuning you mentioned to keep the fun factor.
@mikeisland7382 Yeah, that's a good point. Honestly, the 390 adventure just looks like a smaller version of what every man and his dog are doing with a 690 enduro and slapping a Rade garage tower/fairing on it. It weighs about the same as a modified 690, just with a smaller engine, so you're right, they definitely could make a bike over 500cc with a tower and decent size tank from factory with decent suspension and so on.
Honda crf300L Honda crf300L rally Cfmoto 450 mt Royal enfield himalayan 450 KLR 650 Ktm 390 adventure R Ktm 390 enduro Kove 450 Suzuki drz 4s Kawasaki KLE500 upcoming? Honda nx 500 Kawasaki versys 300 This is madness. Imagine just 5 years ago. The choice in price vs offroad capability vs road capability is getting very serious. Good times
@ Differant Spokes TV: Thank you for this video! Finally! Here in Germany the 690 SMC R is the best selling KTM model for years now. No surprise, supermotos are very poupular among young riders and content creators, and the 690 was the only street legal supermoto available on the market before Ducati joined. Therfore I expected A2 supermotos already years ago. I guess the KTM will be pricier than the Suzuki. The 390 has 6 axis IMU and all the electronic bells & whistles. The DRZ seems to be more simple in that regard. The Suzuki has the fresher looks in my perception, especially in the blue colour. And the white DRZ is ready to go for your own stickers. I'm sure both will find their buyers.
They nailed the looks! Now they need to give this same treatment to the 690 and give it the magic handling 890 tanks you mentioned are missing from this update.
Suzuki dropped the ball badly leaving it a 5spd. This was the reason I bought the crf300l. I'm really hoping KTM plugs the gap as Suzuki not happening and crf300 needs suspension immediately after purchase. Being honest the bike I'm exited about buying next is Pioneer from Husky (touch wood it's road legal unlike the KLX 300🤬)
That Kawasaki will be tempting, my brands of choice are Honda and Kawasaki. Also, for touring a twin is propably the better option. But finally KTM makes a bike one can look at without getting queasy. That is a big improvement.
KTM looks awesome, but it needs 5 years/50 000 km, full warranty for riders riding in the "civilized west". Here in Asia, it's not an option. You are absolutely correct, we need/want Rally DRZ. For old man like me, cable driven throttle, fine with 5 speed, but make sure 5th is tall "overdrive". I guess I wont look at it much, the front headlight is beyond ugly. For now, in Asia, my fixed up (suspension, ecu/intake/exh.....) Honda Rally 300 is the weapon. European riding, CFMOTO 450MT. 15T front sprocket, ecu tune to get rid off the snatchy off idle fueling, done. Unbelievable features/good enough quality/proven engine/all for such low price.
Can't say I've ever been excited about a BMW, but the concept F450GS catches my attention. 125° firing interval parallel twin is unique as well. I think a twin cylinder is more suitable for an "ADV" bike in 450cc range. Just going to be more high speed capable, less buzzy and fatiguing, require less counterweight magic to smooth out.
To be fair, that is going to be dependent on your definition of "ADV" bikes and riding. If you are spending hours at a time on the blacktop, your absolutely right about a twin, but then you probably want a bigger bike like a T7. If your adv riding is majority offroad, then a 400-500cc single is perfect. Every bike is uncomfortable on corrugated gravel roads, but a single just makes more sense in the rough stuff.
@@HartyBiker Depends on how you cross the "line" between ADV and Dual Sport. I think companies are going to make ADV so capable off pavement that the Dual Sport will hold less advantage soon enough.
@exothermal.sprocket I certainly hope that's the case. Manufacturers used to make bikes in the touring and sports touring categories, but since ADV bikes became so big and powerful that category has all but disappeared from a lot of manufacturer lineups. I wouldn't mind seeing a bigger differentiation between bikes that are actually capable of offroad biased touring and road biased touring, rather than just lumping them all in as "ADV" bikes, whatever that means.
@@HartyBiker Sports touring bikes have become less relevant probably mostly due to cost. What do I mean? Older generations today have expendable money to shell out on expensive motorcycles, the younger generation do not. Simultaneously, the younger generation are the only ones (by majority) who are interested with, and put up with sports motorcycles. The sports touring genre is derived from sports bikes. It's designed to be less sharp and peaked, and offer more comfort without a big compromise in performance. In other words, they are still uncomfortable for the senior class to spend time and miles on. Then over 2020 the claustrophobia of being forced into house arrest motivated people to get out of the city and towns and concrete jungle and seek rural adventures. The ADV class does this without the big sacrifice in comfort (dirt bikes, enduros, dual sports are not as comfortable). Toss in a near vertical spike in inflation, the prices of ADV have gotten out of hand which is prompting the creation of smaller displacement and less amenity bikes. They are still ADV so manufacturers are still riding the wave of ADV sales and popularity, without potentially alienating their buyers with new dual sport (soft dirtbikes).
I don't think there's any reason to believe the DRZ4S will be a better dual sport motorcycle than the 390 Enduro R. That's the bike I believe has real promise - not as highly strung as a competition enduro bike, but should still have the chops for off-road riding for beginner to intermediate riders. If it's anything like the 690 Enduro R, which is supposed to be an amazing off-road bike, then this bike should also be good.
Have you ever tried the 30 kg difference on any terrain other than the tarmac and hard pack gravel? It is the game changer, the difference between 230 kg and 200 kg is NOT the same as between 185 and 151 kg. It is around 30 kg in both cases, but while first two are both heavy, the second difference you could really feel. My current 88' XT600 Tenere loaded with 23 l is like expected 390 Adventure R - still heavy to lift when dropped. It is interesting how little we have gained form end of 80', when it comes to the power and weight. If I wanted modern equivalent of good old XT600 or TT600, my bet is currently on Suzuki in this price range, Kove 450 being better but more expensive I guess
@DrazenCika sure - if I was talking about the 390 Adventure R, I specially mentioned the 390 Enduro R, which I don't think will weigh much different from the DRZ4S.
@@thecaptain5344sorry mate, my mistake, surely 390 Enduro should be very comparable and competitive, and it would come down to the price and personal preferences...I have had the 640 Adventure R, kind of hoped 390 Adventure R would try to fill this gap, but it looks like KTM care too much about A2 licenses, and bike would end up heavy...
@@DrazenCika My hope is that the bike prioritises low weight and isn't A2-compliant as is, but can be power restricted to be so. I don't think the market for this kind of bike is people on an A2 license anyway. EDIT: There's some precedence here. The RC390 is 158kg sans fuel and produces 43bhp, I know that big is strictly A2 compliant, so I think there's a good chance.
thecaptain how can you put a Jap bike in the same sentence as ktm a china ktm at that and say, dont see any reason to believe a Suzuki will be any better . Sheez no idea
I wish I could trust its quality not just its cool features. If a manufacturer could make a light weight 450cc bike that could carry a 200+ rider at 80mph at hwy speeds and be a good off-roader they would have a unicorn bike how can they not see this.
Yeah, a ktm 500 exc has a 970 mm seat height, and they're a popular offroad adv bike. The ktm 690 enduro has a seat height of 910 mm. 885 mm is not at all extreme for a bike that's designed for offroad, if anything, it's on the short side.
I’m looking forward to throwing a leg over this bike. I had an Africa Twin several years ago. I hated that thing. The smaller adv concept makes a lot more sense to me.
I like it but I’d struggle dealing with KTM. After all their camshaft issues and their disgusting treatment of their customers. Also I’d prefer it if I could get this direct from an Indian company I don’t want to pay (thousands) extra for the KTM badge. However a 40 hp sub 200kg rally bike sounds brilliant!
Haha its not close to the unicorn. The kove 800x is 408lbs curb. This 390 adv R weighs 404lbs curb. The kove also costs the same amount of money as this 390 adv R. The only reason to buy this KTM over a kove 800x is if you have an A2 license restriction or are brand new to motorcycles. However keep in mind this 390 AdV R has a very HIGH seat height - so not exactly a beginners bike 🤔 . Even then i imagine u can set the kove to an eco mode to smooth it out til you are ready for an 800. Lets be honest - the kove 800x makes this entire ‘lightweight adv’ market a joke - except for the ibex and himalayan which are dirt cheap.
This looked and sounded great until I heard 400-406 pounds. I want a bike like this at around 320 pounds, like an adventure built 500exc with a longer maintenance interval.
@ I understand the reality of why manufacturers are building bikes to meet that requirement, but it seems unfortunate that it will keep brands from delivering the true unicorn bike. Something light, capable, and equipped for real adventure riding and off-road performance. The closest thing I’ve seen to what I really desire is RTWPaul’s 500exc build, and that takes some deep pockets and a pile of farkles.
Yes, the 390 Adv R is visually appealing, but not best looking Adv bike ever. I'd say the KTM 640 Adventure and the KTM 990 Adventure set standard in design of all Adv bikes. There no better looking bikes in the Adv class than the 640 and 990, IMHO.
Looks really nice but I would never buy a KTM motorcycle. They’re just too unreliable and have too many electronics failures. My buddy and I bought new ADV bikes in 2020. He got a 2019 KTM Super ADV S and I got a 2019 Yamaha Super Tenere ES. He has 40,000km and I have 92,000km. I have had no issues and never in the shop broken down, his KTM always has electronic failures. Exhaust failure, suspension failure, low oil level failure and general system errors requiring a new CPU. KTM has replace all the sensors multiple times and they generally only work for about 1 day before the errors come back. Parts are also extremely hard to get for KTM bikes and KTM is very difficult for motorcycle dealers to deal with. We are planning a trip to Alaska next year but he is really worried his 2019 KTM Super adventure won’t make it due to electronic failures. New ADV bikes are too electronics laden and that always leads to problems: Pan America, Triumph 1200, KTM Super ADV 1290, Ducati multistrata, and BMW 1300GS. My Super T is not as sexy, not as powerful, and does not have advanced electronics…..what it does have is a price that is half of the others and unparalleled reliability. I’ll pick a Yamaha over anything else any day. I’m looking forward to my next 100,000km trouble free. Ride safe.
Unicorn? I hear of a wet weight of 185kg. Mmm. If you want an orange bike, KTM have been building a unicorn for years, is called a 690. Significantly less weight, more power, more torque, more travel. Farkles for days.
@donkeizluv Who is their targeted audience? Eedeeotz between 20 and 22 that can't wait 2 years to get a proper bike? And you want to destroy ALL 300 to 500cc bikes for these f+(cks? There are no bikes anymore for real riders, wake up. Only race bikes with 1500km service intervals or grandpa A2 bikes. Duhhh your amoeba brain.
yeah after all these years, ktm 690/ husky 701 is the only platform that's light around 350 lb and has all the power you need on tap. It's frankly appalling that other manufacturers have not released their light and powerful offerings to steal some of those customers.
@@panic_diver thats because modern 600cc single only sounds wonderful on paper but bogged down horribly to pass emissions. They are literally not worth it and unrideable in stock form. I have yet to see anyone keeping them around without removing emission. Thats a costly and complicated mod in a lot of peoples eyes
I wish Yamaha released a 450 Adventure version of the WR. KTM have to many reliability issues, saying that. This is one sweet looking bike.
That's why I'd love a DR-Z Rally.
Never had an issue with my ‘20 390 Adventure. Only had 10k miles of Colorado canyons and old mining roads, never an issue. The guy who bought has ridden part of CO BDR without issue too.
Ironically the 390 is their most reliable engine aside from the super duke
🎅🎄🎁2026
CRF500L/Rally
WR550R/T5
DR-Z450S/ Rally EFI 6 speed low-tech=low weight
DR600S/ Rally
490 Adventure R
490 Enduro R
The mt450 is the chinese 450 teneree
I have the 890 Adventure R and am looking forward to seeing the 390 Enduro as I dont travel as much as I thought I would with the 890.Not to many BDRs in ON.Canada.
KTM have addressed the reliability issues, personally I`ve owned 2 KTMs with absolutely no problems and currently riding the 2024 Duke390 and looking forward to owning the 2025 KTM 390ADV R. I love kTm😁
keep telling yourself that , looks like a typical fanboy sells them and buys another one , 70 000 klms haha even 20 000 for ktm wont make it without troubles or failures
@@motozz8258 If you can`t trade up every year you`ll get left behind. My bikes, trucks and cars are always new and fully paid for, fully serviced and fully enjoyed. Keep cryin🤣. I love KTM😁.
The KTM are solid bikes.
Except for the 790/890 which are clearly jokes on wheels and are not addressed properly by KTM. It is a real shame for their reputation.
@@jonomasonILoveU they don't know how to or don't care. The India 390s are probably better at it .
This is the exact bike I’ve been looking for! I think it looks just insanely good. And I simply cannot believe it has cruise control!
Can't believe Suzuki didn't add 6th gear, but perhaps they spaced the gears better. Great time to be in the market for a new bike.
that was the only thing I wanted in the bike..... that 6th gear. I like all the rest as it works foe generations of folks & now
there's so many of them laying around you'll have parts forever. But that's why I like the 25 yrs of old DRz's. 6th Gear
would make it so much better. peace
@@diggy-d8wyou can buy a wide ratio gear set for the drz400, meant to make highway travel great
I'm saving for a dual sport bike & I'm actively following 12 or so bikes w/ the DRz400 as one I like. I knew you can
change up the sprockets to give better speed/grunt but are you saying there's a "Gear Kit" that rearranges how the
bike operates? Great idea & I hadn't heard or seen anyone doing this. I'll have to ask(research) the question in the
proper way to get the answer = thanks for telling me it exists b/c this is an answer to my highway speed issues,
I need a bike that can go 75mph but not be at the top of the rpm's or vibrating hard. A smooth 75mph. Now the
Honda 500x will do that but w/ each bike we have pro's/con's - thanks for letting me know this. peace
@@diggy-d8w yes there is a new wide ratio gear set. You need to split the engine cases and replace the old gears with the new set.
Guys it is 38HP euro5+. That means that with airfilter, decat and exhaust it will have at least 5HP more, maybe 10 at mid rpm. That is more than 10Hp more than the old european version, so there is the 6th gear for you. I am also disappointed on the new DRZ, on many levels, but it is still the only bike in it's category and it is better than it's predecessor.
A drz4s rally I would sell a kidney for. I'm hoping Yamaha comes out with something like that I'd love a single cylinder tenere 500.
@@joshdoddadbod Get a DRZ and add a small and light tower like the Superlight. That would around 800 to 1300 egros depending on tower and headlights.
@constantinosschinas4503 would need bigger tank as well which won't exist probably for a year or so. NBD though.
I don't like my chances of resisting the new DRZ4S, having owned an 09 DRZ400E for many years with many fond memories. Those things are tough as they get.
@@joshdoddadbod Retrofit rear side tanks from MT800X Rally/MT450? Or just carry extra. The market is A2 destroyed forever...
Can't ride a spec sheet we will just have to wait and see. One reason these 400 450 class ADVs aren't all that light is the A2 license requirements minimum weight of 385. I believe the old 390 was listed at 386 for that reason.
Yeah I'm thinking the same thing, they'll squeeze it into the weight class for A2/LAMS (downunder) licences. I wonder if it would be the kind of bike that is easy enough to shed weight off. I know the Himmy 450 can lose about 15-20kg just from removing or changing parts
The actual A2 rule is that the power to weight ratio cant be more than 0.2 kw/kg. Since ktm pumped this power up to 45hp, the max weight for this bike is 363lbs, which is exactly much the duke weighs. Ktm has pushed these 390 bikes to the A2 weight limit, given the 45hp motor.
Ill be looking to ride an adv-converted drz4s. Because suzuki kept the power down at 38hp, they were able to produce a 330lbs dual sport. Will gladly add a comfy seat and windscreen to save 70lbs over a 390 adventure R.
I would not buy KTM ever again...never buying one again...never...buying one...again...buying one....where...where do I buy this?
I suppose the low exhaust on 390 adv R is not a problem in deep water if you just keep the engine running?
Correct
It will def get an aftermarket solution … first company to sort it out will be bought up like crazy
Another announcement of a concept is the new BMW 450 with a wet weight of about 175 KG and 48 Hp could be in production fall 2025 or spring 2026
Really, u people invest your money in that? Incredible...
This might be the right bike for an older man. I have had 9 KTMs since mid 80s, and they have always offered most fun, by far (by the same time period I have had 1x Suzuki, 2x Kawasaki and 3x Yamaha dual sports or adventure bikes, so my opinion is not based on one or two bikes only). If you buy a bike for commuting, get Honda. If for fun, get KTM.
I would like to have all three of those new bikes, though I would be a lot more interested if they were all based on a "490" engine rather than 390. 500cc really is the sweet spot for a motorcycle that will be used on both street and dirt.
Apparently drz wont hold tc or abs settings so ill likely be getting the 390 adv R. Its the unicorn ive been waiting for anyways but of course with ktm im concerned about reliability.
I would stay on Honda/Suzuki due to reliability along with being proven. I wish Honda would build a CRF350R so we could have a CRF350RL.
and better suspensions, but we have the new drz400
What difference is 50 more ccs gonna make? 1-2 hp?
I'd like it if Honda took the 286cc engine from the CB300R and plinked into an offroad capable frame. That engine is so much fun and it'll be a blast offroad too I suspect.
@@mariojorge547Way more. More cc = lowe fuel consumption, more torque. 300cc is great for... moped. 500-600cc is minimum for motorcycle.
@@podunkman2709 thats cos you are american
None of these bikes fit me (too tall). I am looking forward BMW F450 instead. I know BMW has a tendency to make a standard/tall and lower version for rest of us. Currently riding 310GS.
I think the standard versions should have a seat height around 32 inches.
Happy waiting until 2026, don’t forget also it is a concept, not the final product 😅
BMW F450 will have a 19-inch front, wheel, and overpriced
KTM may be having cam issues w/ the LC8C engines, but the Bajaj produced 390 engines have been reliable for years and have the advantage of RC CUP international racing heritage! Believe that the updated LC4C, 399cc power plant will follow suit. Slightly increased bore and stroke w/ 46mm throttle body should slightly lower stress to engine! Long live KTM!
It looks terrific! But if it weights what they say in the vídeo, it won’t be the unicorn we’re looking for…
I had a 2023 390 adventure. I ultimately traded it in due to the lack of highway power. It also lacked cruise and tubeless wheels. I see the new one has cruise but it looks like the same power plant and unsure about tubeless until all the specs are in. I traded mine for a Tuareg 660 that comes in at 450lbs. If I’m hearing correctly the new 390 adventure will be 400.
improved engine, from 373cc to 399cc, not a huge improvement, but definetely notable (just ride the Duke 390)
@pinpon - Sometimes these days the increased displacement is offset by new emission controls and their weight. It's possible the 399 doesn't have a discernible power difference from the 373. Certainly a massive difference between it and a Tuareg. But 50 pounds is really noticeable off road, so there's also that.
A DR-Z4S Rally model would be epic!
is 390 enduro version heavier than 690 enduro?
The weight makes me a little nervous, and I'm sure it's just to get that A2 license. It does seem like manufacturers are starting to cotton on to what people actually want out of their adv bikes, though, which is a generally good sign for the market. Now we need Honda and Yamaha to offer a lightweight single cylinder adv bike, maybe based on their dual sport bikes with a fairing, bigger fuel tank and longer service intervals (I do realise in order to do that, we'd probably lose some power). A CRF 450 rally and a Yamaha Tenere 500/450 would be awesome
If we do see either of those models I'm hoping they bump that displacement to 550-600cc to make up for the detuning you mentioned to keep the fun factor.
Yes, Yamaha and Honda are conspicuously absent from this conversation.
@mikeisland7382 Yeah, that's a good point. Honestly, the 390 adventure just looks like a smaller version of what every man and his dog are doing with a 690 enduro and slapping a Rade garage tower/fairing on it. It weighs about the same as a modified 690, just with a smaller engine, so you're right, they definitely could make a bike over 500cc with a tower and decent size tank from factory with decent suspension and so on.
Honda crf300L
Honda crf300L rally
Cfmoto 450 mt
Royal enfield himalayan 450
KLR 650
Ktm 390 adventure R
Ktm 390 enduro
Kove 450
Suzuki drz 4s
Kawasaki KLE500 upcoming?
Honda nx 500
Kawasaki versys 300
This is madness. Imagine just 5 years ago. The choice in price vs offroad capability vs road capability is getting very serious. Good times
@ Differant Spokes TV: Thank you for this video!
Finally! Here in Germany the 690 SMC R is the best selling KTM model for years now. No surprise, supermotos are very poupular among young riders and content creators, and the 690 was the only street legal supermoto available on the market before Ducati joined.
Therfore I expected A2 supermotos already years ago.
I guess the KTM will be pricier than the Suzuki. The 390 has 6 axis IMU and all the electronic bells & whistles. The DRZ seems to be more simple in that regard.
The Suzuki has the fresher looks in my perception, especially in the blue colour. And the white DRZ is ready to go for your own stickers.
I'm sure both will find their buyers.
Where and when come the 390 adv x??
They nailed the looks! Now they need to give this same treatment to the 690 and give it the magic handling 890 tanks you mentioned are missing from this update.
Where and when comes the 390 ADV X??
The new 390r adventure xplore suspension is an option. Can come with either the base suspension or xplore for more $$
Suzuki dropped the ball badly leaving it a 5spd. This was the reason I bought the crf300l. I'm really hoping KTM plugs the gap as Suzuki not happening and crf300 needs suspension immediately after purchase. Being honest the bike I'm exited about buying next is Pioneer from Husky (touch wood it's road legal unlike the KLX 300🤬)
That Kawasaki will be tempting, my brands of choice are Honda and Kawasaki. Also, for touring a twin is propably the better option. But finally KTM makes a bike one can look at without getting queasy. That is a big improvement.
KTM looks awesome, but it needs 5 years/50 000 km, full warranty for riders riding in the "civilized west". Here in Asia, it's not an option. You are absolutely correct, we need/want Rally DRZ. For old man like me, cable driven throttle, fine with 5 speed, but make sure 5th is tall "overdrive". I guess I wont look at it much, the front headlight is beyond ugly.
For now, in Asia, my fixed up (suspension, ecu/intake/exh.....) Honda Rally 300 is the weapon.
European riding, CFMOTO 450MT. 15T front sprocket, ecu tune to get rid off the snatchy off idle fueling, done. Unbelievable features/good enough quality/proven engine/all for such low price.
Good lucking bike for sure, like it.
Thanks 👍
Good pickup on the kle500, first i'd heard of it
Yeah, it was bound to come out. Kawasaki wouldn't want to miss out on this action.
...where is the 490...or 590...???...
KTM huh? How do thy handle warranty claims and product recalls, and where are the bikes made, asking for a friend i
Bajaj ktm in India give 5 year engine warranty.
Great choices ahead, loving it.curious about kawasaki.
Can't say I've ever been excited about a BMW, but the concept F450GS catches my attention. 125° firing interval parallel twin is unique as well. I think a twin cylinder is more suitable for an "ADV" bike in 450cc range. Just going to be more high speed capable, less buzzy and fatiguing, require less counterweight magic to smooth out.
To be fair, that is going to be dependent on your definition of "ADV" bikes and riding. If you are spending hours at a time on the blacktop, your absolutely right about a twin, but then you probably want a bigger bike like a T7. If your adv riding is majority offroad, then a 400-500cc single is perfect. Every bike is uncomfortable on corrugated gravel roads, but a single just makes more sense in the rough stuff.
@@HartyBiker Depends on how you cross the "line" between ADV and Dual Sport. I think companies are going to make ADV so capable off pavement that the Dual Sport will hold less advantage soon enough.
@exothermal.sprocket I certainly hope that's the case. Manufacturers used to make bikes in the touring and sports touring categories, but since ADV bikes became so big and powerful that category has all but disappeared from a lot of manufacturer lineups. I wouldn't mind seeing a bigger differentiation between bikes that are actually capable of offroad biased touring and road biased touring, rather than just lumping them all in as "ADV" bikes, whatever that means.
@@HartyBiker Sports touring bikes have become less relevant probably mostly due to cost. What do I mean? Older generations today have expendable money to shell out on expensive motorcycles, the younger generation do not. Simultaneously, the younger generation are the only ones (by majority) who are interested with, and put up with sports motorcycles. The sports touring genre is derived from sports bikes. It's designed to be less sharp and peaked, and offer more comfort without a big compromise in performance. In other words, they are still uncomfortable for the senior class to spend time and miles on.
Then over 2020 the claustrophobia of being forced into house arrest motivated people to get out of the city and towns and concrete jungle and seek rural adventures. The ADV class does this without the big sacrifice in comfort (dirt bikes, enduros, dual sports are not as comfortable). Toss in a near vertical spike in inflation, the prices of ADV have gotten out of hand which is prompting the creation of smaller displacement and less amenity bikes. They are still ADV so manufacturers are still riding the wave of ADV sales and popularity, without potentially alienating their buyers with new dual sport (soft dirtbikes).
I don't think there's any reason to believe the DRZ4S will be a better dual sport motorcycle than the 390 Enduro R. That's the bike I believe has real promise - not as highly strung as a competition enduro bike, but should still have the chops for off-road riding for beginner to intermediate riders. If it's anything like the 690 Enduro R, which is supposed to be an amazing off-road bike, then this bike should also be good.
Have you ever tried the 30 kg difference on any terrain other than the tarmac and hard pack gravel? It is the game changer, the difference between 230 kg and 200 kg is NOT the same as between 185 and 151 kg. It is around 30 kg in both cases, but while first two are both heavy, the second difference you could really feel. My current 88' XT600 Tenere loaded with 23 l is like expected 390 Adventure R - still heavy to lift when dropped. It is interesting how little we have gained form end of 80', when it comes to the power and weight. If I wanted modern equivalent of good old XT600 or TT600, my bet is currently on Suzuki in this price range, Kove 450 being better but more expensive I guess
@DrazenCika sure - if I was talking about the 390 Adventure R, I specially mentioned the 390 Enduro R, which I don't think will weigh much different from the DRZ4S.
@@thecaptain5344sorry mate, my mistake, surely 390 Enduro should be very comparable and competitive, and it would come down to the price and personal preferences...I have had the 640 Adventure R, kind of hoped 390 Adventure R would try to fill this gap, but it looks like KTM care too much about A2 licenses, and bike would end up heavy...
@@DrazenCika My hope is that the bike prioritises low weight and isn't A2-compliant as is, but can be power restricted to be so. I don't think the market for this kind of bike is people on an A2 license anyway.
EDIT: There's some precedence here. The RC390 is 158kg sans fuel and produces 43bhp, I know that big is strictly A2 compliant, so I think there's a good chance.
thecaptain how can you put a Jap bike in the same sentence as ktm a china ktm at that and say, dont see any reason to believe a Suzuki will be any better . Sheez no idea
I wish I could trust its quality not just its cool features. If a manufacturer could make a light weight 450cc bike that could carry a 200+ rider at 80mph at hwy speeds and be a good off-roader they would have a unicorn bike how can they not see this.
If only a Japanese company made something like this
I ride an awesome KLR 650. But I think this bike looks awesome. The pipe is low??? Makes no sense
Looks fantastic, that 885mm seat height is pretty extreme though. 5mm higher than the 790R seat height
It is a thinner bike with more suspension travel. In thin enduro bikes even 940mm is ok. If you want low seat buy a harley.
Yeah, a ktm 500 exc has a 970 mm seat height, and they're a popular offroad adv bike. The ktm 690 enduro has a seat height of 910 mm. 885 mm is not at all extreme for a bike that's designed for offroad, if anything, it's on the short side.
New BMW 450 kills it in every way.
Ktm india should launch the adventure R in india ❤❤❤
This is good news for Suzuki 😅
I get excited about these bikes then I remember the DR650 is lighter and more powerful and cheaper and more reliable
Not selling my trusty, well prepared DR650 any time soon.
It's about time suzuki updated the DRZ, but it got heavier too.
If this was made by a brand new Indian company I’d be way more interested.
I’m looking forward to throwing a leg over this bike. I had an Africa Twin several years ago. I hated that thing. The smaller adv concept makes a lot more sense to me.
I like it but I’d struggle dealing with KTM. After all their camshaft issues and their disgusting treatment of their customers. Also I’d prefer it if I could get this direct from an Indian company I don’t want to pay (thousands) extra for the KTM badge. However a 40 hp sub 200kg rally bike sounds brilliant!
Cruise control will be the clinher for me, Thanks for your videos
You bet! Thanks for watching.
Should have used the 690 lump. Shame...
Haha its not close to the unicorn. The kove 800x is 408lbs curb. This 390 adv R weighs 404lbs curb. The kove also costs the same amount of money as this 390 adv R. The only reason to buy this KTM over a kove 800x is if you have an A2 license restriction or are brand new to motorcycles. However keep in mind this 390 AdV R has a very HIGH seat height - so not exactly a beginners bike 🤔 . Even then i imagine u can set the kove to an eco mode to smooth it out til you are ready for an 800.
Lets be honest - the kove 800x makes this entire ‘lightweight adv’ market a joke - except for the ibex and himalayan which are dirt cheap.
Until the problems pop up & KTM ignores the warranty claims , a story as old as time.
This looked and sounded great until I heard 400-406 pounds. I want a bike like this at around 320 pounds, like an adventure built 500exc with a longer maintenance interval.
A2 license requirements unfortunately stipulate that the bike has to be close to 400lbs.
@ I understand the reality of why manufacturers are building bikes to meet that requirement, but it seems unfortunate that it will keep brands from delivering the true unicorn bike. Something light, capable, and equipped for real adventure riding and off-road performance. The closest thing I’ve seen to what I really desire is RTWPaul’s 500exc build, and that takes some deep pockets and a pile of farkles.
Yes, the 390 Adv R is visually appealing, but not best looking Adv bike ever. I'd say the KTM 640 Adventure and the KTM 990 Adventure set standard in design of all Adv bikes. There no better looking bikes in the Adv class than the 640 and 990, IMHO.
Looks really nice but I would never buy a KTM motorcycle. They’re just too unreliable and have too many electronics failures.
My buddy and I bought new ADV bikes in 2020.
He got a 2019 KTM Super ADV S and I got a 2019 Yamaha Super Tenere ES.
He has 40,000km and I have 92,000km.
I have had no issues and never in the shop broken down, his KTM always has electronic failures. Exhaust failure, suspension failure, low oil level failure and general system errors requiring a new CPU. KTM has replace all the sensors multiple times and they generally only work for about 1 day before the errors come back. Parts are also extremely hard to get for KTM bikes and KTM is very difficult for motorcycle dealers to deal with.
We are planning a trip to Alaska next year but he is really worried his 2019 KTM Super adventure won’t make it due to electronic failures.
New ADV bikes are too electronics laden and that always leads to problems: Pan America, Triumph 1200, KTM Super ADV 1290, Ducati multistrata, and BMW 1300GS.
My Super T is not as sexy, not as powerful, and does not have advanced electronics…..what it does have is a price that is half of the others and unparalleled reliability.
I’ll pick a Yamaha over anything else any day.
I’m looking forward to my next 100,000km trouble free.
Ride safe.
Kove 450 Rally is 51 hp deGRETArded.
That's the claim but testers are saying the power is a bit soft.
Unicorn? I hear of a wet weight of 185kg. Mmm. If you want an orange bike, KTM have been building a unicorn for years, is called a 690. Significantly less weight, more power, more torque, more travel. Farkles for days.
The big problem is it’s a ktm
Hope it is not for 5 footers again 😂
When will this plastic over complicated hit the market
I don't understand why these bikes are A2 compliant. They should be light and powerful, not legislation trash. Unicorn? LOL
duhhhh they need that for their targeted audience. For lighter and more powerful you have those 350 450
@donkeizluv Who is their targeted audience? Eedeeotz between 20 and 22 that can't wait 2 years to get a proper bike? And you want to destroy ALL 300 to 500cc bikes for these f+(cks? There are no bikes anymore for real riders, wake up. Only race bikes with 1500km service intervals or grandpa A2 bikes. Duhhh your amoeba brain.
yeah after all these years, ktm 690/ husky 701 is the only platform that's light around 350 lb and has all the power you need on tap. It's frankly appalling that other manufacturers have not released their light and powerful offerings to steal some of those customers.
@@donkeizluv you don't know what you are talking about.
@@panic_diver thats because modern 600cc single only sounds wonderful on paper but bogged down horribly to pass emissions. They are literally not worth it and unrideable in stock form. I have yet to see anyone keeping them around without removing emission. Thats a costly and complicated mod in a lot of peoples eyes
Two and a half minutes of BS before the video even starts 😫
no KTM’s for me… Too many mechanical failures.
Moped with weak, old, anoying 'brrrrrrr' single cylinder engine.
People actually buy ktms? Crazy
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