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Love that 390 motor. I put 10k miles on my little RC in 2 years with no issues..gonna be a dope SM! Wish those folks at KTM handling the books were as smart as those making bikes.
I'm not worried about the reliability of any KTM 390 bike. That engine got the KTM secret refresh years ago and has been reliable since. I do worry about KTMs financial situation. Even if someone else scoops them up, it will be years before all the past issues shake out the company. In short, if you are OK with losing factory support, go for it. If that's important to you, stick to Suzuki. The five speed is disappointing, but it will still be a good bike.
I bet with the DRZ400sm you have to mod it well for it to be proper but it is pricey at $7100. I was not excited about the new DRZ4000sm, they could have made it better and more exciting. This new KTM 390 SMC R is a hell of a deal at $5499 for the power and features you get, I'm sure the reliability will be just fine, like you said the 390 is pretty solid.
@CycleCruza i was excited for the new 400s, and then they unveiled them. FI and a 6 speed is all we were asking for. As for KTM, when they hit the mark, it's glorious. If I were in the market for a long service interval sumo, this would be at the top of my list.
KTM beating the others on paper, but with their reliability issues and parts being on back order so much. You'd be better off going with any other Supermoto.
That stunt rider was whipping the bike around pretty sick. I doubt you have much issues with the 390 but parts are always hard to come by with KTM. It took me a couple of months to get a side plastic. You can't beat $5499., that is $1100 cheaper than a KLX300sm but with double the power! And still has more power then the new DRZ400sm but $1700 cheaper!
I don't have an issue with my MT-07 or YZ450FX's 2.2 gal fuel tank for urban riding. The 390 is not a bike you are going to tour on anyways, not a big deal. I bet some of the weight can be shed as well.
It's really not a enduro bike, it has a naked bike frame not a dirtbike frame.. you don't want a rock of something breaking the engine. Also has 17 inch rims for street tires, not the 21 front 18 back that you need to go over stuff. a dual sport would be better like a crf450rl, more power, lighter, alot more capable offroad with fully adjustable showa suspention with Pro-link in the back... but it's 2 times the price of this one so yeah.
@balinoob1837 appreciate the info yeah I got to forget there's dual sport I'm 51 so I'm kind of old school anything that's dirt bike looking to me if it's on the street it's an Enduro lol but yeah I'm really looking forward to picking up something of that nature this summer going to get one of the lighter ones I think I dated a girl that had one and i thought it was really cool easy to handle super fun
You'll love supermotos, they are proper hooligan street machines and you can still go off-road and mess around a bit too like I do with Shinko 705 DS tubeless tires on the 17" supermoto wheels..
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Man I think that extra weight will help with road highway riding . I have a beta 500rrs and it is super sketchy on highways being so light . I’ve been tuning my suspension playing with tire pressure but think it comes down to bike weight . Look forward to riding one of these. Thanks for sharing
My YZ450FX is awesome on the highway and it only weighs 265 lbs. I never understand why some riders say they have a problem with lighterwight bikes on the highway. You should be able to reduce some of that weight on the 390 SMC R such as a new exhaust, ditch the ugly stock fender, etc. Overall, you can't beat it for the price vs performance. From my understanding the 390 is pretty reliable as well.
@@CycleCruza A light bike on the freeway on a windy day is no fun after a few hours. I rather have a heavier bike almost always. The reason I sold my Triumph Daytona is because it was too light. Other than that it was a perfect bike.
I love KTM bikes. I need me a 390 duke for the street the SM390 is good real fun bike to buy as a project bike and keep and just have fun on and tech it has also quite impressive for price
I bet the 390 would be cool for small roads and townships. But it would never hold up to the open desert roads we have here in Nevada. Cruzer grab one of those and show us what it can do... :)
It is definitely a urban hooligan supermoto, just look at the way that rider is throwing that bike around and whipping up wheelies effortlessly out of a stoppie. A hell of a deal for this new 390 sumo.
It must be that heavy because of the regulations in Europe with the A2 licence. there is a limitation with the power to weight ratio. A2 licence qualifying motorcycles can still only have a maximum power output of up to 35kW (46.6hp) as well as a power to weight ratio of 0.2kW per kg
My YZ450FX supermoto is sublime, most fun motorcycle I've ever owned in my life. Super lightweight and a torquey as hell. I take mine into the woods a little to mess around too with my Shinko 705 DS tubeless tires.
This new 390 sumo is a hell of a deal, I bet you can get it for even cheaper seeing as how KTM is desperate to unload inventory quickly. If I were buying it I would try to get it for 5k OTD.
I think the bike is so heavy cause in the EU alot of smaller bikes need to have a certain weight to power ratio to be abel to be driven with the small driving licens
It weighs a little less than my duke 390 with smaller tank which I don’t like. More Hp than the other 2 bikes you mentioned simply because the torque comes up higher in rev range which is not good for this type of moto. I feel low torque in lower RPMs in my duke version which I hate. It’s rattly and weak under 4k rpm.
They tuned this 390 SMC R with my bottom end grunt. Just look at that dude effortlessly bust wheelies off of a stoppie. $5499 is a hell of a deal, much better bang for your buck than KLX300sm.
So in my opinion the big problem for KTM is that they do not have any dealerships. As a previous 690 smcr owner. I can tell you. It's a headache. I have two KTM dirt bike dealers near me, they wont touch it. I had to ask one of them if they can order a oil change kit for the 690 thankfully they did and kept it stocked for me and others. The only dealership that will touch the smcr for me is 2hrs away. And they suck. I brought my 690 there for the valve service and they messed my bike up, i will NEVER go there again! So Where does that leave me? With another brand. I want a KTM RC990 or 890adv but i cant. Because where will go to get it? And whos servicing it!? KTM is the shit i love KTM but they need more knowledgeable dealerships. And why is KTM dirtbikes and street bikes a different "company" thats crazy.
Wheres it made? I just have a hard time spending money on something from a company like ktm. Suzuki has plants all over and I believe five locations in japan
I don't really know anything about KTM, except for what I've read and heard. Personally, I'm not willing to spend my money on a brand that's known for reliability issues. I will just stick to Yamaha and Honda. 😂
Because it looks like they just basically made a supermoto out of the 390 Duke. It isn't a fresh from scratch supermoto/dual sport like the 690 SMC R/Enduro R.
I doubt it, the 390 is pretty solid from what I hear. The engine is the same as the 390 Duke, a street engine so the maintenance has long intervals not in hours like my YZ450FX supermoto conversion.
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Love that 390 motor. I put 10k miles on my little RC in 2 years with no issues..gonna be a dope SM! Wish those folks at KTM handling the books were as smart as those making bikes.
I'm not worried about the reliability of any KTM 390 bike. That engine got the KTM secret refresh years ago and has been reliable since.
I do worry about KTMs financial situation. Even if someone else scoops them up, it will be years before all the past issues shake out the company.
In short, if you are OK with losing factory support, go for it. If that's important to you, stick to Suzuki. The five speed is disappointing, but it will still be a good bike.
I bet with the DRZ400sm you have to mod it well for it to be proper but it is pricey at $7100. I was not excited about the new DRZ4000sm, they could have made it better and more exciting. This new KTM 390 SMC R is a hell of a deal at $5499 for the power and features you get, I'm sure the reliability will be just fine, like you said the 390 is pretty solid.
@CycleCruza i was excited for the new 400s, and then they unveiled them. FI and a 6 speed is all we were asking for. As for KTM, when they hit the mark, it's glorious. If I were in the market for a long service interval sumo, this would be at the top of my list.
KTM beating the others on paper, but with their reliability issues and parts being on back order so much. You'd be better off going with any other Supermoto.
That stunt rider was whipping the bike around pretty sick. I doubt you have much issues with the 390 but parts are always hard to come by with KTM. It took me a couple of months to get a side plastic. You can't beat $5499., that is $1100 cheaper than a KLX300sm but with double the power! And still has more power then the new DRZ400sm but $1700 cheaper!
I'm getting one, I've been waiting for years for this
They are not able to make it much lighter because they want it to be A2 license compliant in Europe. Sucks but it is what it is.
Hey for 5k it looks like it would be a blast!!
That's is what I'm saying. I bet you can probably get it even cheaper with KTM being desperate to sell bikes asap.
I wouldn’t complain about the fuel range considering that it’s pretty much the same if not a bit better than our mt-07’s.
I don't have an issue with my MT-07 or YZ450FX's 2.2 gal fuel tank for urban riding. The 390 is not a bike you are going to tour on anyways, not a big deal. I bet some of the weight can be shed as well.
@ well, I’ve never rode my mt07 any faster or farther than it will go.
Man I love those style bikes I've always been an Enduro fan I'm going to try to pick me one up this summer
It's really not a enduro bike, it has a naked bike frame not a dirtbike frame.. you don't want a rock of something breaking the engine. Also has 17 inch rims for street tires, not the 21 front 18 back that you need to go over stuff. a dual sport would be better like a crf450rl, more power, lighter, alot more capable offroad with fully adjustable showa suspention with Pro-link in the back... but it's 2 times the price of this one so yeah.
@balinoob1837 appreciate the info yeah I got to forget there's dual sport I'm 51 so I'm kind of old school anything that's dirt bike looking to me if it's on the street it's an Enduro lol but yeah I'm really looking forward to picking up something of that nature this summer going to get one of the lighter ones I think I dated a girl that had one and i thought it was really cool easy to handle super fun
You'll love supermotos, they are proper hooligan street machines and you can still go off-road and mess around a bit too like I do with Shinko 705 DS tubeless tires on the 17" supermoto wheels..
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It looks like is going to be a great bike. Hopefully the quality is good.
Great bang for your buck, $5499 is dirt cheap for any motorcycle let alone a supermoto with this power and features.
Man I think that extra weight will help with road highway riding . I have a beta 500rrs and it is super sketchy on highways being so light . I’ve been tuning my suspension playing with tire pressure but think it comes down to bike weight . Look forward to riding one of these. Thanks for sharing
My YZ450FX is awesome on the highway and it only weighs 265 lbs. I never understand why some riders say they have a problem with lighterwight bikes on the highway.
You should be able to reduce some of that weight on the 390 SMC R such as a new exhaust, ditch the ugly stock fender, etc. Overall, you can't beat it for the price vs performance. From my understanding the 390 is pretty reliable as well.
@@CycleCruza A light bike on the freeway on a windy day is no fun after a few hours. I rather have a heavier bike almost always.
The reason I sold my Triumph Daytona is because it was too light. Other than that it was a perfect bike.
I found out that ktm have install a memory function. So when you turn off the bike, it's supposed to remember your previous settings.
I love KTM bikes. I need me a 390 duke for the street the SM390 is good real fun bike to buy as a project bike and keep and just have fun on and tech it has also quite impressive for price
I bet the 390 would be cool for small roads and townships. But it would never hold up to the open desert roads we have here in Nevada. Cruzer grab one of those and show us what it can do... :)
It is definitely a urban hooligan supermoto, just look at the way that rider is throwing that bike around and whipping up wheelies effortlessly out of a stoppie. A hell of a deal for this new 390 sumo.
Get one CC. Do a 2 stroke supermoto cc. I have 3 supermoto's right now. A cr250r supermoto is next.
I can't watch this until later. But I will say that new KTM supermoto 125 SMCR looks amazing
This 390 is a hell of a deal. Check the video out when you get a chance, the stunt rider throws this lil bike around effortlessly. Looks so fun!
It must be that heavy because of the regulations in Europe with the A2 licence. there is a limitation with the power to weight ratio. A2 licence qualifying motorcycles can still only have a maximum power output of up to 35kW (46.6hp) as well as a power to weight ratio of 0.2kW per kg
Cfmoto already owns the controlling share of KTM
I would go for the new Suzuki. Super Moto really doesn't need a lot of hp to be fun. IMHO 😮😮😮
Honestly I think a 450 supermoto is the way to go especially if you’re never going to throw knobbies on and take it on the trails or woods.
People ain’t got the time or patience for maintenance this is nimble and easy this is why they made the smc r line
My YZ450FX supermoto is sublime, most fun motorcycle I've ever owned in my life. Super lightweight and a torquey as hell. I take mine into the woods a little to mess around too with my Shinko 705 DS tubeless tires.
@@CycleCruza so basically the same as what they have just bought out without the high maintenance 😌
kawaski KLX 300sm, triumph scrambler 400x, or this new ktm?? decisions decisions
This new 390 sumo is a hell of a deal, I bet you can get it for even cheaper seeing as how KTM is desperate to unload inventory quickly. If I were buying it I would try to get it for 5k OTD.
I wanna try it
I think the bike is so heavy cause in the EU alot of smaller bikes need to have a certain weight to power ratio to be abel to be driven with the small driving licens
I know this is dumb but the fact it doesn't have a downtube to protect the engine is why I dont like it lol
It weighs a little less than my duke 390 with smaller tank which I don’t like. More Hp than the other 2 bikes you mentioned simply because the torque comes up higher in rev range which is not good for this type of moto. I feel low torque in lower RPMs in my duke version which I hate. It’s rattly and weak under 4k rpm.
They tuned this 390 SMC R with my bottom end grunt. Just look at that dude effortlessly bust wheelies off of a stoppie. $5499 is a hell of a deal, much better bang for your buck than KLX300sm.
So in my opinion the big problem for KTM is that they do not have any dealerships. As a previous 690 smcr owner. I can tell you. It's a headache. I have two KTM dirt bike dealers near me, they wont touch it. I had to ask one of them if they can order a oil change kit for the 690 thankfully they did and kept it stocked for me and others. The only dealership that will touch the smcr for me is 2hrs away. And they suck. I brought my 690 there for the valve service and they messed my bike up, i will NEVER go there again! So Where does that leave me? With another brand. I want a KTM RC990 or 890adv but i cant. Because where will go to get it? And whos servicing it!? KTM is the shit i love KTM but they need more knowledgeable dealerships. And why is KTM dirtbikes and street bikes a different "company" thats crazy.
Wheres it made? I just have a hard time spending money on something from a company like ktm. Suzuki has plants all over and I believe five locations in japan
I don't really know anything about KTM, except for what I've read and heard. Personally, I'm not willing to spend my money on a brand that's known for reliability issues. I will just stick to Yamaha and Honda. 😂
yea you know some one will pick up ktm. it would be their reliability and part availability that would be an issue for me.
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So far no problems wit my KTM, knock on wood but I'm selling mine because I don't need two supermotos and love my YZ450FX supermoto the most.
How could it be so damn heavy? Wtf
Because it looks like they just basically made a supermoto out of the 390 Duke. It isn't a fresh from scratch supermoto/dual sport like the 690 SMC R/Enduro R.
Buy it for the testing then sell it
will it break after 10 hrs 😂
I doubt it, the 390 is pretty solid from what I hear. The engine is the same as the 390 Duke, a street engine so the maintenance has long intervals not in hours like my YZ450FX supermoto conversion.
@CycleCruza yeah - not like KTM has had issues with camshafts recently or anything Lmao.
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