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This is not as simple as it looks… || Submission Audio Flatline 2
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
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INDEX:
00:00 Intro
00:19 What is flatline?
02:00 First look
02:32 Don't use auto gain...
03:54 Hybrid Mode
04:57 Should you use it?
06:23 The challenge with clipping
10:42 Conclusion
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Clipping drums can be a game changer sometimes . Especially when they don’t seem to react well to a compressor
clipping drums before hitting the comp is the secret
Just clipped the crap out of snare in parallel to get more meat out of it xD
also try using parallel compression or transient designers instead of clipping the transients, just bring the sustain up louder to meet the transient in volume. same effect but slightly cleaner
One tip there, @@shaferproducergod - Transient Master comes with Komplete select, so if you have any OLD NI hardware you likely own it.
@@shaferproducergodgetting distortion it's exactly why you want to clip transients 😅
I recently started to use a clipper on my individual instruments as well as before and after the limiter. It takes away the peaks so the limiter is having an easier time limiting stuff. It made my final result a bit cleaner. I really encourage people to start looking into it…
sounds like a version of the clip to zero method intensly presented by the one and only baphometrix. never use a clipper withput a good beat synced oscilloscope (signalizer is free).
In the defense of Flatline, Submission Audio makes a lot of metal focused plugins. Obviously you can use them for other stuff but a lot of their bass libraries in particular are very modern-metal focused
I own the original Flatline, then a few weeks ago they sent me a link to upgrade to the new Flatline 2 version for free. No company does that, they always make you pay. So I gotta give those guys at Submission Audio kudos for that.
"colour" sounds like it's going from hard clipping (0%) to soft clipping (100%), the pink glowing graphic thing seems to be hinting at that too.
No, this is what the 'Shape' control on Clip mode does. The 'Colour' control in Hybrid alters the linearity of the gain reduction behaviour. The perceived effect is somewhat similar, but the mechanisms are ostensibly different.
_"For a lot of different music genres, clipping doesn't make it anymore beautiful"_
The most important sentence i've been given to listen to this year... unquestionably!
I thought the benefit of this clipping was also to end up with more headroom, for instance when used on the drum buss. Making it louder, but ending up with more headroom than when you would raise the levels.
@@nagemaakte I completely agree. Only the disadvantage with clipping generally is that it is a transient killer and suddenly it acts almost or even as a limiter and therefore inevitably we lose in dynamics.
On the other hand, I did a clipper experiment once on my drums bus to gain headroom and even punch. Subsequently, due to lack of an over-powerful processor, I had to print my drums and when I play them again, I realize that the dB value at which it was under the clipping is no longer the same. It has increased.
How do u explain it?
I still have to experiment with this technique to be honest, but that seems like te opposite result you would expect from it. I’ll come back here when I did some tests!
@@nagemaakte ok my friend.
Man , you just really blow my mind sometimes . The attention to detail in a subtle and delicate manner makes a world of difference. I watched Dans video and went to work on my plugins using the plugin doctor a few months ago. I did not realize what a mess I was making in the mix . Thanks for everything you do , my mixing is horible but I am improving thanks to this channel. Thanks for sharing your experience and making it easy to understand and follow - cheers from Canada
We need a review of Scaler EQ. First EQ that works jn key frequencies
Would be great if you could review Gold Clip and maybe even compare it to other clippers like Flatline, Newfangled Saturate, KClip, V-Clip, etc...
Yes please!
Oh man you really need to dig up more the products before reviewing. The selling point of this plugin is the hybrid mode which is not "just" clipping and limiting, it is a mode with 2 different detection circuits working simultaneously : Transients and Sustain circuits. This allows to seperate the signal like the Eventide EQ for exemple and apply limiting or/and clipping to the split signal in real time to avoid harmonic distortion when pushed severely. The video on their youtube channel explains the concept with more details.
This plugin is actually one of my favorites in my mastering chain. I use it so that is clips the peaks introduced by powerful drums mostly without clipping in between drum hits. It really keeps the drum's punch and energy. The hybrid mode is what makes this thing really shine.
@MeDiAaid-emyes, I believe so. It also has a "safe clip" option to catch all true peaks.
7:40 Newfangled Audio Saturate is supposed to tackle this exact problem.
please have a conversation with Baphometrix! it would be incredibly interesting to hear you two discuss loudness, clipping, converters, oversampling and all of that stuff. really really want that to happen :) cheers!
100% agree on the equal gain monitoring. I tend to discard plugins that don't make it easily possible. And thanks for the explanation about the DA converters.
this was super helpful man, you are the guy
Newfangled Saturate has ‘detail preservation’ embedded inside it’s hard clipping algorithms. It’s basically the only hard clipper that sounds different to any other, and is the only one I really use now because of it; it just sounds better (anti-aliasing and hard limiting options too)
Uhh I have to look into it! I think schwaab audio gold clipper has it too right? it's sounds really great but is pretty expensive
@@enno_4753 yeah there’s just no way I’m paying £200 or whatever it is for a clipper, regardless of what hardware it’s emulating; no thanks
Why you didnt show the Hybrid mode in action and basically just talked about oversampling?
Super weird, its the whole point of Version 2 and I personally think they nailed it.
Thanks man, always great video!!! What do you think about Acustica Audio plug-ins?
Wow, i just threw out a lot of plugins and went back to the basics. 3 plugins per channel and about 7 on the mixbus. I use slate digital vcc the brit 4k e and the SSL 4k b which does eq and compression. I finally created a track which pops from the speakers and is super clean. This is all thanks to a youtube vid by slate digital. It really was a life saver. I almost tought about quiting music production, but 15 years in and things are finally coming together
love your point of view on softwere
Muchas gracias!!
Minute 9:43 That strain of hair above Your left ear, is very special. A perfect ring. How do You do that??
A very good clipper is ASH from Acustica Audio. Not bad is Kazrog clip3
i think the guys at Submission took inspiration from Fabfilter style interface because that's what their customer base are already adjusted towards.
Im playing with fire all the time - fire the clip is an awesome plugin by acoustica 😂❤
thanks
By using clipping instead of limiting you're preserving microdynamics inside the mix and fader balance better. That's why pro mastering engineers use more clipping than limiting usually. I always find that the limiter is making a track feel a bit squashed (no matter what settings and plugin I use) compared to the clipper.
Soft clipping
I love me some saturation/soft clipping. Funnily enough im also a fire dancer/breather XD.
Probably my go-to to do most of what this does would be Ultrachannel, that said. But i also dont like to just brick wall stuff, i love dynamic range.
Try the apogee soft limiter clipper out if you haven't it sounds like analog silk even in small amounts
I use StandarCLIP and Brainworx bx_clipper, both are beautiful piece of software. I can achieve up to 6 dB of headroom on drum bus catching the peaks from snares and hats in electronic music, and put in the synths and bass buses, with a total of 12 dB of headroom! Can get about -5 dB LUFS in the final master with FF L2. Really a must have tools in the era of the loudness nuk-lear war! Thank you!
I don't play about with hard clipping or similar too often, but I think if it's not on the master, and not on the loudest signal in your mix (and isn't going directly to a D/A right after and is summed prior), you can get away with it a bit more with knowing less as the clipped signal will not be the highest peaks and will of blended with other elements. OFC people clip expensive convertors on the master etc. but I assume these people know what they are exactly doing (or at least they should xD).
Unless I missed it you didn't give credits for the song buddy. For those that don't recognise it, its "Darude - Sandstorm".
Totally unrelated to the plugin, but the hair curl being round totally distracted me haha :D Thanks for the video though!
not every streaming service sadly has loudness normalization, there is not a single one service in russia that has this, despite that people requesting this for years
so in this area we hear your -12 lufs mix as your -12 lufs mix, and -5 lufs as -5 lufs, i would love to do more quiet and dynamic than -7 lufs, but then my music will sound quiet compared to rest in the genre (indie rock, but not metal)
I hope one day in the future loudness war will end also for electronic music. I'm a hardstyle music producer, so to me, clipping is basically essential to get to the commercial loudness expected from listeners and labels. But god, sometimes I just would like to have my music "breathe" a bit more and have the same potential of being considered a nice tune and not an "unprofessional" one just because of damn volume and loudness...
Its like the clipper in Elevate from Newfangled Audio. But Elevate can do a lot more and is more advanced in my opinion.
That hair loop got me, no need of clipping it.
On more serious side, regarding the "challenge" side of clipping, I'm pretty sure we all are friendly with how it sounds these days. Good use of clipping make cool and great sound, badly used… well yeah, sounds a**. In my case I hear about all these overshoots, oversampling, overthis, overthat… but in the end I don't care. If to my taste, my search of sound this sounds good, then it's all good! In EDM we hear tons of clipped sounds, sometimes some are wrong as hell, some are well done and this give somethings to the sound and on the mixing side, help a lot compressors and stuff when well tweaked.
So yeah, just a good use of clippers and we're all good! Keep focusing on musicality, feelings on music. Math side is great to understand, but in the end it's the feeling that will take it to the next level.
Can yo do a video on the new maselec mastering eq by relab development it’s phenomenal in my opinion easily one of the best hardware emulations I’ve heard.
There is the HUM LAAL but there is also the more affordable Spectra C610 that is faster than one sample - mastering engineers are using it.
If this man finds a plug-in interesting, it’s most likely very good.
Try Ash Ultra
Got it! Love it!
Sounds really good, but my cpu hate me 😂
Please show analog clipping or ADC clipping on the analyzer next time! It'd be very educational!
Is there a hardware clipper with Analog IO that would constitute not playing with fire?
Any hardware mixer depending on your taste and budget, turn up the channel gain until it distorts, reduce master volume.
A transformer or tape unit - both will saturate rather than hard clip. Its a REALLY common effec in traditional production.
I hate the fact it swaps the names of the controls to show you the Values.... Surely theres an option to see both?
Question: Should I be soft/hard clipping my mix before submitting it for analog mastering?
For my service not, maybe other engineers request or accept it, but its better to not do that
awesome. Thanks so much for the reply!@@Whiteseastudio
From the oscilloscope, clipping just looks like “distortion” (the guitar kind, not THD/IMD).
…Is that really all it is?
Wyste is explaining all this but the person who made this is actually a world class mastering engineer...who do you trust more?
Umm... the impartial professional mastering engineer, obviously. It's why 3rd party testing exists.
Clipping loud is dangerous that’s why I master to -27 LUFS
Are you happy with your masters, how they sound on streaming platforms and otherwise? -27 is insanely quiet, by every standard
13 lufs seems pretty sweet for most things to sound great
If you use this kind of tool to clip out 14db out of any given signal… maybe audio engineering is not for you… 🤷🏻♂️🤣
This plugin is really powerful if used properly.
In 2023, we have a dynamic range of 144 dB, and we can technically master at such a high level. I never quite understand why you add distortion to your beautiful recordings right at the end. Clipping isn't playing with fire; it's more like setting something on fire and then claiming that deliberately burning it improves its appearance, only to say it looks much better after it's been charred.
Hmm, I don't think you have it right when you say, 'Clipping is for mastering, etc.' Come on, and what about punchy drums? How do you expect to cut some peaks and still have punch? I use clippers on snares, kicks, all the time in every genre
Transient shaper/editor/designer/master plugin
Comment for da algorithm
Streak count: 210
Wow
That's a lot of steak 🥩🥩🥩
@@GingerDrums too much steak🥩
Yes yes loudness war is over.. loudness won. So everyone using clippers in 2023)
That's a really weird way to frame it.
Dynamic range is making a comeback, like baggy jeans
It was trash the first time around 🙄
5:49
Well, the dude who owns the company that developed this plugin is widely recognized as THE metal mastering engineer for modern productions, and has been for some time.
So, you know...
It‘s „tranSient“ not „tranSCHient“ 😂
You always pronounce it wrong. For years actually. Just thought I should tell you. 🫣
Besides that: Love your videos. I’m a loyal follower of your channel for years now.