@LucasGomes-ng2go Dafuq ? You’ll lose way too much damage for what it’s worth. You just need 1-2 ER roll on substats. If you’re a god at rotation you can even go with 0 ER role.
yeah, jinhsi and carlotta are a tier over Jiyan, to even be on S you need to do double dragon stuff in reality he is A. They absolutely do have AOE he is delusional there, jinhsi on the liberation and on her 'illuminous Epiphany' and you can use 'crescent Divinity' to reposition her before enabling epiphany, yeah she do a lot overkill damage if you full stack her concerto, something she don't need to do in trash mob, carlotta have AOE on her first and last hit of the liberation and those 2 are the strongest hits on her liberation, her second E press, plus her full concerto heavy attack.
@@mizunochie I would only agree a part that she's only bad in multi wave content.. since she's only has big 1 pp per her 15 sec rotation.. also let see list of current dps + their best in slot subdps back: jiyan(mortefi s4), jinshi(zhezhi[not really best in slot currently]), xianglixiao(yinlin/changli), camellya(sanhua c s6/roccia), charlotta(zhezhi), I can understand why people put jiyan or camellya so high in the list since they only require 4 star subdps.. but can anyone explain to me why?? in the earth that XL can be even ranked that high when he requires specifically a 5 star support/ 5 star quickswap in the game to work.. is it because he's free? 🤣 *I'm not putting changli since I still consider her sub dps since she's more excellent in quickswap.. plus u not want her to be on field for a long time since unusually u swap cencel animation..
"Jinhsi needs specialized teammates to reach her full potential" there are 7 possible teammates for this. Meanwhile Jiyan has whole 4 possible teammates but it isn't a downside, lol. If your argument is no stacks from coordinated attacks = no damage then mine is no Mortefi = no damage.
I think its more so the fact that Jiyan's best in slot is a 4 star that just buff his damage. Whereas Jinhsi needs coordinated attacks to actually use her full kit and therefore wants 2 teammates that have them, but also ideally buff her damage in some form or another. Jinhsi has an innate anti synergy with characters that don't have coordinated attacks, which can be limiting.
That was crazy to hear. It's when I knew this was a feelscraft tierlist based on Saint's tastes, not really based on reality. Jinhsi has so many options, including ones where you don't even have to build them, just press E and enjoy (Yuanwu). Jiyan has ONE real team. And this list is supposed to be based on account value, when Jiyan value is completely tied to whether you have Mortefi or not. And keep in mind Mortefi before S4 is kind of very mid.
@@rincledon1 What? "Jiyan's best in slot is a 4 star that just buff his damage." that's not just Jiyan's "best in slot", that's Jiyan's ONLY teammate. You don't have him you are cooked, your Jiyan team is now a meme. Jinhsi wants coordinated attacks, yes, but that's like 1/4 of the roster.
I recently decently built Jiyan and learned to use him and am hating myself for sleeping on him even though I got him and his weapon on release (I was maining Calcharro at the time). He is extremely strong. I wouldn't put him above Jinhsi, but above Carlotta is realistic.
Yeah, I had problems with the current pincer using Xiangli Yao as my 2nd team's DPS. Replacing that team with a Carlotta-led team allowed me to easily clear it.
@@ericcckyjinhsi isnt hard to play, saint himself will agree jiyan is way more difficult, and she has teams even more accessible to f2p than him that require literal 0 investment to work at their full potential (her easy f2p teammate yuanwu is LITERALLY given for free), cant say the same abt jiyan (mortefi’s not entirely free and requires mild investment to perform evenly to jinhsi yuanwu) so yes, ranking jinhsi below jiyan in terms of pull value is favouritism, OP is correct
@@sweatdropssHow about AOE content that Jinhsi struggle the most? Saint is ranking the overall value including clearing event modes and overworld exploration, not just TOA meta value which he explained. Also saying Jinhsi with S1 Yuanwu does similar damage to Jiyan with built Mortefi is just copium.
@@ericccky could also be because the BiS Jiyan team is basically free aside from Jiyan. Verina is standard who you *should* have gotten. And mortefi was literally on Jiyan's banner.
@@kharis9120same. Heck her freeze mechanic in her skill and heavy attack clears a mob by itself in Pincer with a well-built Carlotta. Bro is wrong on her for that.
@@pranavdatta2059 what value does jiyan hold other than grouping atp? his dmg is very low compared to the other 5* dps and its very obvious. hes extremely hard to play if you try to do the qiloong cancel trick and i honestly think its not worth the stress just to output a tiny bit more dmg, rather use jihnsi and nuke for 500k every rotation than to deal with his janky kit
@@dharshanv4047 lol if anyone ever try to blame on danjin.. I can hear from a mile a way people gonna throw a comment about skill issues to you back 😂
List of Changli teams that can clear everything smoothly (if you aren't 7 years old): 1. Changli - XY 2. Changli - Calcharo 3. Changli - Carlotta 4. Changli - Encore 5. Changli - Chixia She is complicated but she is not THAT complicated List of Jiyan teams that can clear everything comfortably: 1. Jiyan - Mortefi 2???. Jiyan - Alta (but really why ever do this?) notice a disparity? EDIT: my main point is that when you consider changli as a sub-dps she begins to appear much more valuable than before. She does require more investment and skill than any other sub dps but is MORE FLEXIBLE than ANY other sub-dps. For the last time... Changli is a SUB DPS
So teams that can clear with Changli 1. Changli and one of the strongest DPS in the game carrying her, who can also clear without her 2. Changli and one of the strongest speedrunners in the game, who can clear without her 3. Changli and one of the strongest DPS in the game carrying her, who can also clear without her 4. Copium 5. Copium Jiyan's team: 1. Jiyan and a 4* character everyone has Yeah, I do notice a disparity
I cleared all of the content in the game with Changli - Yinlin up until 1.4. Changli is probably the most versatile character in the game if you just embrace the quickswap.
ikr, does the guy even play the game? Her aoe is fine. Its not camellya level but her E, forte and ult give her aoe. Only the 4 shots are single targer and her final shot actually pierces so its aoe.
I 've extensively used both Jinshi and Carlotta and can say for 100% certain Carlotta has better aoe. Too many times jinshi's puke cant hit every enemy while with Carlotta you can shoot all the enemies in a cannon-width line in front of you with her nuke while her skill and forte both have great aoe+timestop+dmg
Yinlin: E, Heavy, E, Ult, Heavy. concerto is full, coord attacks applied. She is very easy and fast to play. But she doesn't work very well in multiwave content, because enemies are dead before her coordinated attacks can do damage.
News flash guys Tier lists are very subjective You don't need Saintontas's tier list to validate your pulls/favorite character Just play who you wanna play
True, make ur own tierlist and try defending it, it takes guts. And I think the only objective take here is SK is a must pull when u still don't have Verina.
Yinlin may be showing signs of aging but that won't stop me from using her cuz she is still my favorite character in the game and the reason I started playing Wuwa.
She'll be aging like a fine wine, she is and will ever be the best in slot electro sub dps which makes her future proof. As of now she got 3 teams, XLY, calculator and Jinhsi
@@Iroh-lowkey leaks said yinlin will also become BiS sub dps for upcoming electro 5 star, no electro sub dps will compete with her probably until later than 3.0
@@neverhonors2688 there will be more electro sub dps in future tailor made for certain dps like Zhezhi for Carlotta but even so her outro buffing electro dmg alone and being a coordinate attacker will raise her value as a viable sub dps for every future electro teams
25:59 what did you smoke my guy? Carlotta Aoe is not even that bad. Her skill has aoe, her forte has aoe, her ult has aoe at the start and her final shot is also aoe. I have NEVER had any problem with aoe or pincer with carlotta EVER. I have her at S0 with statc. And she is ranged which is a huge advantage when every boss in the game can fly.
IG I am bias since I love Changli but putting her B is criminal. It's true that she needs a good DPS to run some crazy combo, but its precisely that reason that makes her extremely versatile. There is no other damage dealer that can slot in with almost every single DPS. On top of that, she outputs 3 waves of damage that are amazing for crowd enemies. Let's be realistic with our ratings and not heavy hate bias.
@@tylerzhou1350 You're right. She slots well with so many character it makes absolutely no sense to put her that low. Her gameplay also isn't that hard, as long as you understand how to outro character, her skill which does quick a numerous amount of damage already fills half the bar. I'd argue to put Changli as a top 4 must pull. Jinhsi imo is A tier because she cannot function by herself while Camellya is arguable annoying to do rotation from her own kit, Carlotta is slightly good from having 2 blows that does AOE but the rest is mainly single target.
@@CipherZeroes Aye we're in the same boat, I have pretty much all characters in game as a F2P except Jiyan (I didn't want to pull him) but exploration wise, AOE wise, versatile wise, I just cannot stop using her. I fell in love with Carlotta but guess what, I can still use Changli with her🤣. The new John Wick Event with the turtles, guess what, Changli once again, clears everything. I would love to make a Tier List video to give Saint a constructive criticism so he stops being bias and see how good she really is.
Tbf she doesn't need another dps to function as good as other dpses lol. That's a very bad misconception people seem to have(only comparing Verina buffed bc it'd not be a controlled environment otherwise). The best team u can have on Changli rn is Verina-changli. That it. Just 2. And u will clear ToA very comfortably. Playing her with other dpses typically speaking outdpses their main hypercarry BiS. This doesn't only means she's dealing more than respective subdpses. This also means she needs to be able to do enough or more DMG to match the other 'main' dps for this team to be worth. Results are out there. This is in fact the case. Tldr : Changli IS a Hypercarry that can switch to subdps or dualdps team seamlessly.
While I do agree that Jiyan is way better overall than most players act like he is, I do not think he's so much better to put him that high based on the arguments, I think Jinhsi and Jiyan are very close, just with opposite strengths since she has the nuke and a fast rotation, he has a long rotation with amazing grouping and AoE. And Carlotta, I don't know what he was playing saying she struggles to do Pincer Maneuver and all content, she's insane for me in PM, and she fits in basically any quick swap comp, you can pair her with someone like XY to handle trash while she blows back bigger enemies, very easily. I don't really understand that one, especially when Camellya is so high and she can totally whiff against certain enemies, get knocked out of her nuke, etc.
This list is for absolute value though. A new account picking their first limited dps should pick Jiyan. That's an account without XLY, Zhezhi, Yinlin... anyone arguing against that is just wrong.
@zippo718 I don't necessarily agree even then, Jiyan is heavily dependent on Mortefi and his liberation which makes him not the best pick for open world and certain events which is relevant to new players. Everyone gets Sanhua for free and she works great with characters like XY and Camellya but not Jiyan. Jinhsi just needs coordinated attacks which means a new player has a lot of options, Verina, Baizhi, Yuanwu, not just Zhezhi or Yinlin. Also adding in difficulty, characters like Jinhsi or Carlotta make combat way more forgiving with tracking nuke and flying above enemies with Jinhsi and Carlotta is fully ranged and freezes with her skill. I'm just saying, I like Jiyan, I have him, but to me, he's upper middle of the pack for now IMO, at least until more teammates come out for him.
Yeah overworld jiyan is kinda bad for me personally especially when I only have him at 108 er, the only reason why I can still play a bit comfortable is because I have his s1, so I have his skill twice
She kinda edoes ngl, do u play the game because carlotta forte does AOE, when u use her resonance first hit is Aoe, if enemies are lined up or really close to each other carlotta hits them all@@kaloyanivanov885
@@KyHeartWill Her 1st ult, final ult, forte and skill are all aoe. The skill aoe is tiny but its aoe. She actually has more AoE than Jinhsi. Also I tried new Yinlin rotation and she's just as fast as zhezhi. You just have to hard attack. Dude should stop making guides. He's the prydwen of CCs
Intro to Yinlin > E > HA > E > Ult > HA Forte > Echo > Outro I just fixed your said Yinlin clunky Rotation. It literally only takes seconds doing this thing.
Jinhsi with verina is more than enough you can slot anyone in the 3rd slot to play as you want. I main a Jiyan and Jinhsi team and found you can quickswap Jinhsi's heavy and its so long it procs the 2 outro lances of Jiyan its pretty nice.
Ppl really put comment before watching the video huh 😅 Sure all character is MONSTER if you play the game enough and learn to optimize their kit. but if you reach that level or simply character collector you dont need VALUE tier list. Im sweaty enough to do 3 DPS quickswap but if new player asking me which character to pull to progress game faster I wont recomend changli, but I still gonna put her on same tier with yinlin. My only addition on this take is Jiyan kinda sucks against enemy that moves a lot. which should make him on same level as jinhsi/carlotta at this case.
When it comes to Yinlin, I love using her burst because it doesn't time stop, with the right timing you can just ignore big enemy attacks and then concerto out to the next unit!
Its a value tier list but he put changli on B tier. Just criminal since changli is one of the most versatile units with a lot of different playstyle. This just looks like a blatant hate to changli.
@lucklessflow5769 how can she be a low value. You will always have atleast one dps. Besides, as i said she can be played as a dps herself too, but being able to use her with your existing dps as a sub dps is icing in the cake. It makes her way above other 5 stars.
im so suprised people are hating on jiyan so much, even at this point in the game hes still super strong, and lets not forget his team is with mortefi, very f2p friendly.
@@acciocats8764 so according to your point of view, XY should also be talked down as he higher in the list than even Jiyan. So why is that not happening?
Most L-take Saintontas video ngl, Jinhsi is literally still one of the best DPS in Wuthering Waves, Jiyan is consistent but he's worse than Jinhsi and Carlotta.
its a Value tier list not who has the biggest numbers. Jinhsi and Carlotta are worse than Jiyan in most Events and game modes with AOE and multiple Waves.
@@vibriw9315 Yes, hence why Jinhsi SHOULD be on top of Jiyan. Jinhsi is literally amazing at AoE situation, I don't know what people are talking about. She gets her Forte fast with Mortefi E4, and has literally almost no downside (outside of Multiwave, but even you can fix that with Zhezhi because Zhezhi will clears up the smaller enemy due to her high damage), Jinhsi has a lot of variant with her team composition (having work with literally anyone which has coordinated attack while Jiyan NEEDS Mortefi), Jinhsi having higher damage ceilling which makes any content faster to clear, and is overall a better unit than Jiyan. Not to mention, if that's the case why would he put XY above Changli? They're basically both AoE and works literally together the best
Xiangli yao free. But debatable placement I guess. Jiyan> jinhsi just cause jiyan+mort is just better than jinhsi mort/yuanwu or other Carlotta 4* sub dps comps. It is what it is. It's a value tier list for low spender/f2p after all. I'm saying this as jinhsi main.
@@nyes4596its not that i agrees with jiyan > jinhsi especially carlotta since their comfort against 6 holos are literally the best in the game rn. But jinhsi literally has several downside outside than just multiwaves contenr, I'd take this video more as a bait but its not that he's not making any sense since he's still backing them up with reasons and flaw but maybe overlooking some mechanics and is bias towards some resonators. In terms of dmg capabilities on free charas S6 mortefi isnt as fast on building incandescence as you describes him to be- yuanwu is the best alternative for that but the down side is not getting a full benefit of 25/38% buffs which could be considered as a huge dmg lost, speaking about dmg lost she must crit to avoid that more than 50% dmg lost in what she does on a single rotation since most of her dmg cames from her nuke. and avoiding those if worst case scenarios, you must get high crit so definitely get her weapon in order to get a good crit value since standard 5 broadblade is not an option unlike pistol/sword critrate for carlotta and cam making their crit ratio good whereas jinhsi needs to sacrifice 4Cost echo to critrate instead of cdmg so she'll always be "expensive". (Assuming her value for f2p's is just isnt as great as both Chun though jiyan doesn't make any sense). Last problem is even with zhezhi i think you're exaggerating what she does to team on multiwaves content, she aint clearing those small mobs with that dmg of hers in sonata moonlit unless you decides to use her offensive set giving up on buffing jinhsi.
@@vibriw9315 Even if it's value it's still wrong, no on in their right mind is going to recommend to someone who is looking for value picks to recommend the very first limited 5 star released in the game, especially now that we are in 2.0. Jinhsi and Carlotta still completely bodies Jiyan in literally every scenario and would both be far more valuable over picking him.
For real. I got him and his weapon on release but mained Calcharro and so I kind of slept on him till recently. Damn he is a monster when you build him and learn how to play him right.
I think you have a good point in 99% of cases, just wanted to say that if you don't have Jiyan and overall lack of grouping Roccia is a good pick just for grouping, but you need to keep in mind that yes, she need a lot of investment, but if you really enjoy farming and character building it's not that a big of the deal. The worst part it's probably that you actuaqlly need her signature, but in my case I don't have Xiangli Yao signature weapon anyway
Is that how actually does it works though? He's glazing jiyan ever since way way before, thought he's tryna sneak him and make people believes with his influence, still doing good for his channel
I have jinshi s0r1 and carlotta s0r1, both of them built and I agree with what he said here. They’re good in tower and holos, but overworld and pincer, not so much. I had to redo my runs with Jiyan on all 2nd stages. They just fall short in multi wave. Edit: I think people in the comsec forget the disclaimer once their favorites were placed lower. I love playing carlotta in overworld even if it’s not optimal. I just enjoy running around with her and killing stuff with guns. Plus her animations. Man, if you really love the character no tier list is correct. Play the game and have fun!
I'm sorry but not being able to clear pincer with fully built Carlotta in a proper team is pure skill issue. I'm 100% willing to give you that Jiyan is easier, but if you straight up CANT clear with Carlotta I think it's less the unit and more the hands, I'm sorry. To me it's like saying Jiyan can't clear middle stages in TOA. Sure he isn't the best single target DPS out there but he obviously can clear with proper teams and rotations. Same here, Carlotta can clear Pincer COMFORTABLY, I know from experience, she just isn't the absolute number one unit for it. Better than most though, her damage is spread in many hits and that's what really matters in this mode.
@MacA60230 and that’s what he said in the video, they can but they’re not the best at it Value wise. Re: Carlotta in a proper team, i guess I don’t have that, since I don’t have her BIS Zhezhi and am running her with Taoqi. And Jiyan, s6 Mortefi is what I have so that’s what I’ll use since it’s easier to get 4k+ in pincers with that team than my Carlotta and Taoqi team. I’m literally working with what the RNG has given me here. Rather than skill issue, I think that’s a lack of account investment.
@@rvillaagustin Haven't tried her in pincer with Sanhua but for ToA and holos yes. I used them both with their signature, when you consider that Jiyan f2p weapon isn't great compared to carlotta just further show that this list is inaccurate and biased
Saint, have you forgotten how much you struggled in the last stage of 'although colors have no form' cuz Hecate kept floating in the air and all Jiyan could do was standing there like an idiot with his ult activated? Yeah, if you had used Carlotta it would've been much easier cuz she can freeze enemies and her ult can hit ememies even when they're in the frigging air like Crownless often does. How about putting that in the reasoning of your tier list?
As someone who just started wuwa, literally like 5 days ago, getting verina as an upgrade from baizhi felt like taking off concrete shoes, no matter what I get in the future, verina will always be the most valuable to me 🙏
Lol, my Verina is more in a team than shorekeeper Don't forget man who made things ez for you, the hate towards Verina bc of shorekeeper isn't worth it
For all the people saying Jiyan shouldn’t be above Carlotta and Jinhsi, and that if Jinhsi needs coordinated attackers, Jiyan needs Mortefi and that Saintontas isn’t being fair. Not at all, bro. Jiyan with Aalto is actually really cracked. Not as cracked as Mortefi of course, but it’s still good nonetheless. Jinhsi on the other hand, needs a coordinated attacker for her kit, really limiting her team comps, if that wasn’t enough, she’s not really the best against multiple enemies, since the nuke can sometimes miss a few enemies that weren’t close enough and you can have to do the whole rotation again which can be really annoying. Also, for those saying the game has a lot of coordinated attackers, Verona is a must have for Jinhsi, we all already know that. That just leaves the sub dps slot vacant for basically only 3 characters. 2 of them being 5 stars in the form of Yinlin and Zhezhi while Yuanwu is her only realistic 4 star option, and no, Mortefi doesn’t work that well with her due to him providing basically no buff to her other than moonlit. I can testify that, as someone who uses both, Jiyan feels like the better one here. I feel like people tend to overrate both Jinhsi and Carlotta. Like, sure. They’re definitely the best to use against bosses, but they’re also the worst against multiple enemies. I love AOE DPS characters like Jiyan, XLY and even Changli because of this reason, they’re flexible, best against multiple enemies and still amazing against single targets since their dmg stays the same even against them. So yeah, I think AOE DPS characters in general are just above single target DPSs purely because of their flexibility.
Na he doesnt understand that Changli is fk op asf in overworld and OP asf in Multiwave And OP af in a quickswap Team Its a joke to talk about overworld and waves before and rank her in B Tier 😂
Although I agree with pretty much everything, putting XLY above Yinlin and Changli is kinda weird, who are you playing him with if you don't have neither? Jianxin? Yangyang?
@@dapper-alcremie460 the work u need to put in for changli to work is greater than xyl. He mentions the util xyl provides in terms of time slows and gap closing that makes quickswap q a lot easier on him
I don't have Jiyan, but I have all characters in this S-Tier. I agree XY is absolutely nuts, on par or above Jinshi's nuke, and way easier to play especially with his ability to pause time during Liberation. YinLin vs Zezhi is close to me, I have both and have their sig wep. YinLin is a bit slower but she hits hard af.
The video is nice especially for people who may not have some of those characters and want to know where they land. After his is finished, a nice idea will be to do the same for the current weapons in game.(including both 5 stars and 4 stars) for people to know what weapons are more versatile both from the banners and what free to play options are available as 4 stars
@ He already learned and practiced all changli's rotation and kits tho? In his streams he did a perfect rotation for quick swap changli but still not enough compared to other dps
I have yet to see an s0 Changli or S0 Jinhsi clear tower in 40 seconds or less. Until you show that, you have nothing to support Jinhsi is stronger than Jiyan
@BS-se4yg this is getting tiring. Where in my comment did I ever try to compare two DPS characters ? Go touch some grass and calm the hell down. P.S. I don't like quick clearing videos as they are mostly just flashy lights but from what little I have seen, most of the top quick clears are Changli quick swaps. So yeah.
people are missing the point of jiyan being better that jinshi VALUE wise. her aoe is mid or trash to be honest same with carlotta. jiyan can easly sub 1 min clear toa and will always be better than both of them AOE, farming, grouping,auto parry. this is VALUE
I can agree on most his take base on value but in jinshi vs Carlotta no. If his basing which is higher or lower on those two base on their pincer performance (since both excel in the same mode but worst in the same mode), I disagree. Carlotta has better performance than jinshi in it mainly because 1. Jinshi main DMG take time to full forte, not ideal on wave type 2. Jinshi's DMG outside of her forte is decent at best same for her aoe outside her forte. All the while Carlotta 1. Has better average DMG outside her main source 2. Her ultimate(main DMG) is mutliple part and cast(unlike jinshi's one cast Forti). Which makes her similar but worst to xiacliao in pencer. Carlotta has stronger DMG per hit but lower aoe compare to xiang Liao 3. Carlotta main source of aoe outside her ulti is her Forti which has alot of easy technic to full, (even her non enhace Forti has good aoe)
31:52 One thing that goes for Roccia's value is that if paired with Camellya, your Sanhua gets freed for a different DPS such as Encore, Carlotta (for those without Zhezhi) or future BA damage dealers.
Big skill issue CC attempts to make Wuwa Meta content Bro to make a tierlist you should at least have played every character you talk about I think you won't ever accept that Encore S0 stringmaster is just as good as Jiyan And you don't play well any other team that is not Jiyan I mean what can i expect? L takes on Jinhsi, Carlotta and Changli Basically this is just your opinion without actual experimentation. And i think you know pretty well, that's pretty poor
Overall, it is a good tier list, points and reasoning are well presented on each unit. BUT b4 y'all complain... Don't forget that you have an option to DISREGARD it if you disagree..
The problem is the new players praising him and saying they are converting to the cult of Psycho jiyans, not even the sane ones lol like they are calling jinshi bad like what?! And then there is changli like B?!
@@kaloyanivanov885 lot of aoe?? One mid damage aoe and the last ult shot that has an aoe of a door size. That's a lot of aoe?? Compared to jiyan and camyllia, it's like 10vs100
@@Wolfyyy 2 ult aoe, forte aoe and double E aoe per rotation. Even without the E thats still 3 abilities that do aoe. In fact her aoe is better than Jinhsi, who has only 2 nukes, Carlotta has 3 plus the mid range shots of her ult. So Carlotta performs better in pincer than Jinhsi.
26:56 The thing is though you can get all the Astrites from Pincer without getting the highest clear target. For tower you need all the stars to get the maximum Astrite. It's also only 300 Astrite over 1 whole patch so it's honestly really no big deal.
Changli is the best unit in the whole game If u can actually play well But this guy is very casual and cant swap rly Changli is also rediculous strong in Multiwave and overworld cz her liberation is not needed Hes just a changli hater While prydwen place changli s Tier for Tower, he places her b Tier even when she is SS for overall value because her value in overworld and waves is insane high
A support being too reliant on a dps character being top tier makes them top tier too? X to doubt. Pull value should be based on how well the character synergizes with multiple teams while contributing buffs/damage/utility. Zhezhi doesnt have good synergy outside jinhsi and carlotta, her coordinated attacks have mid damage, no grouping, no AoE but she is S tier. Roccia has grouping, universal attack buff, AoE, good damage with investment, fits into multiple quick swap teams but is B tier? The fact that Roccia is not locked with Camellya already says that her pull value is much higher than ultra niche supports like zhezhi. I guess some wuwa players also cant figure out what pull value means. The Roccia slander is real
Heck even changli, how come she's soo low when she can be used in so many different teams. Doesnt pull value means a particular character working in a lot of different situation and not just one niche?
Hard disagree with your takes. Zhezhi is S tier because she is BiS for the 2 most used DPSes in the game. And it’s by a considerable margin for Carlotta (Taoqi is extremely annoying to use). And she’s the only unit to simultaneously have coordinated attacks and a res skill amplifying outro for Jinhsi (while not being same element as Jinhsi for those extra forte stacks). She also heavily reduces ER requirements, as her outro provides 15 energy on your dps for free (which you fail to mention btw). Roccia primarily used as a BiS support for Camellya and HR. However, what makes her B tier is that she’s barely better than S6 Sanhua. And she is only 1% better in the 1 team that is commonly used in ToA (Camellya hypercarry). She also feels worse to use. Sanhua just needs moonlit+heron and you’re already dealing good damage. Roccia meanwhile needs 70% CR and 130% ER to maximise her 200 ATK buff. There also aren’t many characters that *need* her grouping, especially because it’s wasted on Camellya who already has excellent AoE. You can argue that Roccia is usable in quickswap teams. But that’s not what 99% of people would use her for. You could also argue that a large portion of characters in the game work surprisingly well for quickswap. Especially when Changli already exists. It’s not that Roccia performs badly. The reason why she is ranks so low is that she’s only a 5% upgrade at most when compared to her alternatives. Whereas Zhezhi is *at least* a 25% upgrade for Jinhsi and Carlotta teams, that are used by 80-90% of people. She also *feels* twice as smooth compared to Yuanwu for Jinhsi and Taoqi for Carlotta.
@GrGalan6464 Just because another character buffs similarly doesn't make the other character lower tier. Let me use Genshin as an example. Kazuha is an amazing buffer and grouper, a solid S tier. Xilonen is an amazing buffer, a solid S tier. Having supports that buff similarly don't make one superior over the other. Roccia and C6 Sanhua have similar buffing capability, so why is Sanhua S tier but Roccia B tier? Literally makes 0 sense. Not enough crit rate? Just run 44111 moonlit with ER weapon or just ignore the 200 attack buff all together, treat it like a non C6 Sanhua. The fact that you didn't even consider this makes your argument flawed already. Yes I agree zhezhi is BiS for 2 meta DPS Jinhsi and Carlotta, but you can't use her in both teams, you have to choose either ZZ with Jinhsi or with Carlotta. Roccia being similar to Sanhua means she is free from the Camellya jail which Sanhua is stuck in because there is no other meta basic attacker DPS other than Camellya, which Sanhua only buffs, which is basic attacks. Roccia buffs havoc and basic attacks which is already superior to Sanhua's niche buff. "Zhezhi is at least 25% upgrade for Jinhsi and Carlotta teams" because the 4 stars for them are contributes almost no damage and clunky AF to play, that's why zhezhi feels much better. I hope this debate broadens your mind.
@@Creeperific This is a tier list for the most *valuable* characters. Not the characters with the highest capabilities. This is literally said in the title of the video. Roccia is not as valuable as Sanhua because she is: 1. A lot more niche 2. Only 1% better even when used in her niche (Camellya hypercarry) 3. Requires a lot more investment in terms of pulls and mats to perform on a similar level Allowing Sanhua to be used elsewhere is the only decent argument for Roccia. And the other BA DPS team she excels in is Aalto (HR prefers Danjin). Which 99.9% of people don’t even use him.
@@GrGalan6464 Well i guess it's no use reasoning with you. Roccia has more utility and buff than Sanhua but you say she is more niche, countering your own argument. Waste of time trying to reason with your Roccia slander and Sanhua glazing
It makes no sense for you to put Changli that low on a value tier list because, would you rather: A) Pull for 1 sub-dps who only works well with 1 or 2 dps characters and gets matched or even outclassed by more universal characters like Sanhua and Yangyang when paired with dps characters that don't synergize as well with them, but you don't have to build them. B) Pull for 1 hybrid (Changli) who works well with every single dps in the game, but you have to fully build her. There is no difference between, for instance, pulling Yinlin for your Xiangli Yao to boost his damage and pulling Changli to do the same, except that Changli can do that for any dps character in the game and not just specific ones that can benefit from the sub-dps character's outro buffs. Sure you'll have to spend a lot of resources to build Changli, but in terms of astrite you get a very flexible character who works in any team and saves you the need to pull a dps character's dedicated buffer to get a really strong team. Sure Changli's skill ceiling is really high and you need be pretty good at the game to make her perform as well as a dps character's dedicated buffer, but it's not like Changli can't clear content at lower levels of play with minimal quickswaps.
@@n8nwest563 And Jiyan makes it up by having the best grouping in the game.Him and Roccia will see massive buffs once we see more AOE content(actually already have due to Pincer)
Just found your channel from Tectone, you remind me of DemoneKim in the early days of Genshin if you know who that is. Super knowledgeable down to earth guy, you guys give the same vibes!
Insane Jiyan glaze lmao. 1) His tacet field is not efficient to farm. 2) The highest ER requirement among limited 5-star dps units. 3) Need S6 Mortefi BADLY to compete in current meta. 4) limited teambuilding and gameplay, only great in hypercarry.
Stop acting like mortefi is hard to get, everyone who plays the game decently has him S6. Other points are just bad . This list is considering good investment, echo farming one day will be good enough it's not that hard but you can't change a characters kit like that
I think Roccia may be for Phrolova or the new sentinel resonator. Sub dps is usually released before the targeted DPS. JInhsi didn't get a dedicated sub dps, maybe because they are already very powerful. Yinlin feels built as XY support. It's not we didn't get Havoc sub dps for Camellya, but we already have that, similar to Jiyan.
Funny for a "Jiyan main" he never optimal dash cancel and weave support autos on rotations and just do brainrot one button hold to appease the core audience 🤣
Thank god I don’t pay attention to tier lists and just play whatever characters I like. Don’t have Jiyan, SK or Jinshi and still clearing all end game content just fine.
Well, maybe not towards to Jiyan. But towards saints seems have some bias. Someone like me clear everything with Changli Havoc Rover team easily will strongly disagree with the rank of Changli. He just seems prefer some particular play style of a character.
I mean because this is probably the most retarded take he has ever had. His reasoning with carlotta also didn't fit right with me since she has plenty of aoe. I really didnt face any issue clearing pincer which u know mostly favours aoe charas. Even her supports, you dont really need zezhi to play her comfortably since sanhua works really well with her. Besides, how come he put changli on B tier when arguably she's one of the most versatile charas in game, she literally works with every other dps, you can play her as a sole dps, if you have her you can also enjoy a lot of cool quickswap teams.
Sure, Carlotta has AOE issue, but you can pair her with Yang Yang, a free 4 star sub-dps that good at grouping. I used Carlotta in the left tower with Yang yang, and I clear that tower just fine. On top of that, she has very good mobility. If you gonna rate Xiangli Yao with his mobity, you should rate her with mobilty as well. She also has a very long ranged and high damage liberation, which makes her very easy to play.
For the love of all things good in the world, stop using the word 'obviously' as a conjunctive. At best, it's annoying to hear the same unpleasant 3 syllable word so unbearably often. At its worst, it's just condescending and unhelpful.
FYI, I counted at least 15 times you've used the word 'obviously' just in this single video, and in every single instance you used the word to make it sound as though your claim did not need an explanation because it was so readily apparent to anyone who plays the game although it most definitely was not. Stop using the word 'obviously' to turn your opinion into a fact. Just say the thing you're gonna say.
Last thing, using the word 'obviously' when you're trying to convince someone or explain your idea to another person is just poor communication if not just plain rude. You rule out the possibility of you being wrong, or your listener bringing a valid counterpoint to build a constructive dialogue. Et Demonstratum: If I said "You obviously should never use the word 'obviously' when having a constructive dialogue with someone" instead of saying what I said above, how would that make you feel? Just food for thought.
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Peak Changli hater
Lmao ong 😂 changli mains RIIIIIISE!!!!!😆
Bro doesn’t even know how to play Verina, yet he still makes a tier list.
idk man, XY Changli is bread and butter for me rn, need brant for double fusion quickswap😈
@@JadinJames-s1d Woo Changli!
@@rezathoriqiss1511plus the new rumored fusion dps, triple dps here we goook
Bro has Jiyan brainrot
How much er are we talking abt for Jiyan?
@@m0nk3ymadnessHe wants 120% for smooth tower rotation
@@m0nk3ymadness just use a 3 cost ER and call it a day
@LucasGomes-ng2go Dafuq ? You’ll lose way too much damage for what it’s worth. You just need 1-2 ER roll on substats. If you’re a god at rotation you can even go with 0 ER role.
@CaptainRx-ss3rt nah its fine, specially with his weapon and a double crit ER 3 cost. It makes his rotation really smooth
Video Summary:
He likes Jiyan
bruh can't play changli cuz he has no fingers 🤣
flat IS justice tho🍷
yeah, jinhsi and carlotta are a tier over Jiyan, to even be on S you need to do double dragon stuff in reality he is A.
They absolutely do have AOE he is delusional there, jinhsi on the liberation and on her 'illuminous Epiphany' and you can use 'crescent Divinity' to reposition her before enabling epiphany, yeah she do a lot overkill damage if you full stack her concerto, something she don't need to do in trash mob, carlotta have AOE on her first and last hit of the liberation and those 2 are the strongest hits on her liberation, her second E press, plus her full concerto heavy attack.
@@mizunochie I would only agree a part that she's only bad in multi wave content.. since she's only has big 1 pp per her 15 sec rotation..
also let see list of current dps + their best in slot subdps back:
jiyan(mortefi s4), jinshi(zhezhi[not really best in slot currently]), xianglixiao(yinlin/changli), camellya(sanhua c
s6/roccia), charlotta(zhezhi),
I can understand why people put jiyan or camellya so high in the list since they only require 4 star subdps..
but can anyone explain to me why?? in the earth that XL can be even ranked that high when he requires specifically a 5 star support/ 5 star quickswap in the game to work.. is it because he's free? 🤣
*I'm not putting changli since I still consider her sub dps since she's more excellent in quickswap.. plus u not want her to be on field for a long time since unusually u swap cencel animation..
@@zen-mm5hn YangYang and Jianxin work perfectly fine with XiangliYao and Encore do too
"Jinhsi needs specialized teammates to reach her full potential" there are 7 possible teammates for this. Meanwhile Jiyan has whole 4 possible teammates but it isn't a downside, lol. If your argument is no stacks from coordinated attacks = no damage then mine is no Mortefi = no damage.
True
I think its more so the fact that Jiyan's best in slot is a 4 star that just buff his damage. Whereas Jinhsi needs coordinated attacks to actually use her full kit and therefore wants 2 teammates that have them, but also ideally buff her damage in some form or another. Jinhsi has an innate anti synergy with characters that don't have coordinated attacks, which can be limiting.
That was crazy to hear. It's when I knew this was a feelscraft tierlist based on Saint's tastes, not really based on reality. Jinhsi has so many options, including ones where you don't even have to build them, just press E and enjoy (Yuanwu). Jiyan has ONE real team. And this list is supposed to be based on account value, when Jiyan value is completely tied to whether you have Mortefi or not. And keep in mind Mortefi before S4 is kind of very mid.
@@rincledon1 What? "Jiyan's best in slot is a 4 star that just buff his damage." that's not just Jiyan's "best in slot", that's Jiyan's ONLY teammate. You don't have him you are cooked, your Jiyan team is now a meme. Jinhsi wants coordinated attacks, yes, but that's like 1/4 of the roster.
@@MacA60230how exactly is this a bad thing for jiyan tho
Carlotta and Jinhsi behind Jiyan is crazy
World’s strongest and sanest Jiyan main
😂
he is jiyan bias actually so just think jiyan is not there 😅
I recently decently built Jiyan and learned to use him and am hating myself for sleeping on him even though I got him and his weapon on release (I was maining Calcharro at the time). He is extremely strong. I wouldn't put him above Jinhsi, but above Carlotta is realistic.
i think hes fair, have you tried carlotta in pincer? it feels very bad.
Saint has some wild takes. I disagre with almost the entire list ☠️ thats how being a Jiyan main affects your brain
Same.
I completed pincer with Carlota and camellya lol
Yeah, I had problems with the current pincer using Xiangli Yao as my 2nd team's DPS. Replacing that team with a Carlotta-led team allowed me to easily clear it.
@@akamenightraid8045 that's my team too lol full clear all rewards all first tries no retries easily.
@@altguardian How are you having problems with using XLY in pincer maneuver? Genuinely asking cuz I have cleared it with him.
u need to put more hours into him@@altguardian
Ranking Jinhsi below Jiyan is blatant favoritism lol
Edit: At least he actually put XY over Jiyan
Jinhsi is harder to play properly and also if you can’t crit her big nuke, it’s kinda useless and she has a harder time clearing mobs than Jiyan.
@@ericcckyjinhsi isnt hard to play, saint himself will agree jiyan is way more difficult, and she has teams even more accessible to f2p than him that require literal 0 investment to work at their full potential (her easy f2p teammate yuanwu is LITERALLY given for free), cant say the same abt jiyan (mortefi’s not entirely free and requires mild investment to perform evenly to jinhsi yuanwu)
so yes, ranking jinhsi below jiyan in terms of pull value is favouritism, OP is correct
@@ericccky Jinhsi is so easy to play hell u can even skip dodging if u suck at it and just go up and fight in the air
@@sweatdropssHow about AOE content that Jinhsi struggle the most? Saint is ranking the overall value including clearing event modes and overworld exploration, not just TOA meta value which he explained. Also saying Jinhsi with S1 Yuanwu does similar damage to Jiyan with built Mortefi is just copium.
@@ericccky could also be because the BiS Jiyan team is basically free aside from Jiyan. Verina is standard who you *should* have gotten. And mortefi was literally on Jiyan's banner.
Saying Carlotta can't clear Pincer maneuver is just wrong tho, and even if it's right her value in ToA alone deserve her to be top tier.
That is weird, i clear pincher just fine with carlotta. first try no retry. and i havent even finish building her idk what saints talking about
@@kharis9120 same hahahah
Same she can have less aoe but she compensd with 2 ulti and four heavy bullet in a row
@@kharis9120same. Heck her freeze mechanic in her skill and heavy attack clears a mob by itself in Pincer with a well-built Carlotta. Bro is wrong on her for that.
Yeah compare to jinshi, Carlotta performe better
Agree on Yinlin but you're dickriding jiyan
It's a value tier list read the title not power lvl tier list
@pranavdatta2059 Read it. My point still holds.
@@Time4trouble what point ? all i saw is cope ?
cope comment
@@pranavdatta2059 what value does jiyan hold other than grouping atp? his dmg is very low compared to the other 5* dps and its very obvious. hes extremely hard to play if you try to do the qiloong cancel trick and i honestly think its not worth the stress just to output a tiny bit more dmg, rather use jihnsi and nuke for 500k every rotation than to deal with his janky kit
Camellya mains watching other mains fight on the comments 🗿🗿🗿
Danjin mains: "doesn't even care"
@@winkythepooh lol. Danjin the only character that doesnt even have hate.
Lmao true.
I'm a Zani main from the future.
@@dharshanv4047 lol if anyone ever try to blame on danjin.. I can hear from a mile a way people gonna throw a comment about skill issues to you back 😂
List of Changli teams that can clear everything smoothly (if you aren't 7 years old):
1. Changli - XY
2. Changli - Calcharo
3. Changli - Carlotta
4. Changli - Encore
5. Changli - Chixia
She is complicated but she is not THAT complicated
List of Jiyan teams that can clear everything comfortably:
1. Jiyan - Mortefi
2???. Jiyan - Alta (but really why ever do this?)
notice a disparity?
EDIT: my main point is that when you consider changli as a sub-dps she begins to appear much more valuable than before. She does require more investment and skill than any other sub dps but is MORE FLEXIBLE than ANY other sub-dps.
For the last time... Changli is a SUB DPS
he's just skill issue with changli
Best Changli’s teams have 4 5* characters while Jiyan just need a 4* which you can obtain easily…
notice a disparity?
Aalto, not Alta, (aalto = Finnish word for "wave")
So teams that can clear with Changli
1. Changli and one of the strongest DPS in the game carrying her, who can also clear without her
2. Changli and one of the strongest speedrunners in the game, who can clear without her
3. Changli and one of the strongest DPS in the game carrying her, who can also clear without her
4. Copium
5. Copium
Jiyan's team:
1. Jiyan and a 4* character everyone has
Yeah, I do notice a disparity
I cleared all of the content in the game with Changli - Yinlin up until 1.4. Changli is probably the most versatile character in the game if you just embrace the quickswap.
The Carlotta slander is just skill issue
ikr, does the guy even play the game? Her aoe is fine. Its not camellya level but her E, forte and ult give her aoe. Only the 4 shots are single targer and her final shot actually pierces so its aoe.
@@kaloyanivanov885 so youre saying is that camellya, jiyan aoe is better than carlotta? its a good tierlist then.
@@dn4417 Is it an aoe tierlist or a value tierlist. Jiyan is melee and deals less dmg too.
If this was an aoe tier list, I'd agree lmfaoo bro got lost inthe sauce@@dn4417
I 've extensively used both Jinshi and Carlotta and can say for 100% certain Carlotta has better aoe.
Too many times jinshi's puke cant hit every enemy while with Carlotta you can shoot all the enemies in a cannon-width line in front of you with her nuke while her skill and forte both have great aoe+timestop+dmg
Yinlin: E, Heavy, E, Ult, Heavy. concerto is full, coord attacks applied. She is very easy and fast to play. But she doesn't work very well in multiwave content, because enemies are dead before her coordinated attacks can do damage.
I will try this. Thank you.
I tried it and it does work insanely well. Very fast indeed, thanks for the tech
Totally agree. Not sure what he means by difficult/slow concerto generation on Yinlin. Its so easy…
@@alyrris he just has skill issues
News flash guys
Tier lists are very subjective
You don't need Saintontas's tier list to validate your pulls/favorite character
Just play who you wanna play
Ma man👍
Bro is a know it all nerd like no one cares as much as he does and doesn't actually play
@@Prxnce_Nelli Punctuation exists my boi.
True, make ur own tierlist and try defending it, it takes guts. And I think the only objective take here is SK is a must pull when u still don't have Verina.
The #1 Kurobot and Jiyan Glazer 👑
Yinlin may be showing signs of aging but that won't stop me from using her cuz she is still my favorite character in the game and the reason I started playing Wuwa.
She'll be aging like a fine wine, she is and will ever be the best in slot electro sub dps which makes her future proof. As of now she got 3 teams, XLY, calculator and Jinhsi
@@Iroh-lowkey agreed bro
@@Iroh-lowkey leaks said yinlin will also become BiS sub dps for upcoming electro 5 star, no electro sub dps will compete with her probably until later than 3.0
@@neverhonors2688 there will be more electro sub dps in future tailor made for certain dps like Zhezhi for Carlotta but even so her outro buffing electro dmg alone and being a coordinate attacker will raise her value as a viable sub dps for every future electro teams
@@Iroh-lowkey yes but we won't see them so soon
25:59 what did you smoke my guy? Carlotta Aoe is not even that bad. Her skill has aoe, her forte has aoe, her ult has aoe at the start and her final shot is also aoe. I have NEVER had any problem with aoe or pincer with carlotta EVER. I have her at S0 with statc. And she is ranged which is a huge advantage when every boss in the game can fly.
IG I am bias since I love Changli but putting her B is criminal. It's true that she needs a good DPS to run some crazy combo, but its precisely that reason that makes her extremely versatile. There is no other damage dealer that can slot in with almost every single DPS. On top of that, she outputs 3 waves of damage that are amazing for crowd enemies. Let's be realistic with our ratings and not heavy hate bias.
Update: I've not yet seen him talk about running Changli + Sanhua, its a team and it exist that does clear endgame.
@@CodeNet0911Rover plays very well with Changli as well. Maybe better than any other teammate
@@tylerzhou1350 You're right. She slots well with so many character it makes absolutely no sense to put her that low. Her gameplay also isn't that hard, as long as you understand how to outro character, her skill which does quick a numerous amount of damage already fills half the bar. I'd argue to put Changli as a top 4 must pull. Jinhsi imo is A tier because she cannot function by herself while Camellya is arguable annoying to do rotation from her own kit, Carlotta is slightly good from having 2 blows that does AOE but the rest is mainly single target.
@@CipherZeroes Aye we're in the same boat, I have pretty much all characters in game as a F2P except Jiyan (I didn't want to pull him) but exploration wise, AOE wise, versatile wise, I just cannot stop using her. I fell in love with Carlotta but guess what, I can still use Changli with her🤣. The new John Wick Event with the turtles, guess what, Changli once again, clears everything. I would love to make a Tier List video to give Saint a constructive criticism so he stops being bias and see how good she really is.
Tbf she doesn't need another dps to function as good as other dpses lol. That's a very bad misconception people seem to have(only comparing Verina buffed bc it'd not be a controlled environment otherwise). The best team u can have on Changli rn is Verina-changli. That it. Just 2. And u will clear ToA very comfortably.
Playing her with other dpses typically speaking outdpses their main hypercarry BiS. This doesn't only means she's dealing more than respective subdpses. This also means she needs to be able to do enough or more DMG to match the other 'main' dps for this team to be worth. Results are out there. This is in fact the case.
Tldr : Changli IS a Hypercarry that can switch to subdps or dualdps team seamlessly.
While I do agree that Jiyan is way better overall than most players act like he is, I do not think he's so much better to put him that high based on the arguments, I think Jinhsi and Jiyan are very close, just with opposite strengths since she has the nuke and a fast rotation, he has a long rotation with amazing grouping and AoE.
And Carlotta, I don't know what he was playing saying she struggles to do Pincer Maneuver and all content, she's insane for me in PM, and she fits in basically any quick swap comp, you can pair her with someone like XY to handle trash while she blows back bigger enemies, very easily. I don't really understand that one, especially when Camellya is so high and she can totally whiff against certain enemies, get knocked out of her nuke, etc.
This list is for absolute value though. A new account picking their first limited dps should pick Jiyan. That's an account without XLY, Zhezhi, Yinlin... anyone arguing against that is just wrong.
@zippo718 I don't necessarily agree even then, Jiyan is heavily dependent on Mortefi and his liberation which makes him not the best pick for open world and certain events which is relevant to new players. Everyone gets Sanhua for free and she works great with characters like XY and Camellya but not Jiyan. Jinhsi just needs coordinated attacks which means a new player has a lot of options, Verina, Baizhi, Yuanwu, not just Zhezhi or Yinlin.
Also adding in difficulty, characters like Jinhsi or Carlotta make combat way more forgiving with tracking nuke and flying above enemies with Jinhsi and Carlotta is fully ranged and freezes with her skill.
I'm just saying, I like Jiyan, I have him, but to me, he's upper middle of the pack for now IMO, at least until more teammates come out for him.
Man im actually impresed that a tierlist can make me mad
L takes over L takes over L takes. Cant expect anything from a Jiyan bias
ikr? carlotta doesnt have aoe? does this guy play the game even?
Yeah overworld jiyan is kinda bad for me personally especially when I only have him at 108 er, the only reason why I can still play a bit comfortable is because I have his s1, so I have his skill twice
She kinda edoes ngl, do u play the game because carlotta forte does AOE, when u use her resonance first hit is Aoe, if enemies are lined up or really close to each other carlotta hits them all@@kaloyanivanov885
@@kaloyanivanov885 her last attack and forte is AOE. Ikr lol
@@KyHeartWill Her 1st ult, final ult, forte and skill are all aoe. The skill aoe is tiny but its aoe. She actually has more AoE than Jinhsi. Also I tried new Yinlin rotation and she's just as fast as zhezhi. You just have to hard attack. Dude should stop making guides. He's the prydwen of CCs
Intro to Yinlin > E > HA > E > Ult > HA Forte > Echo > Outro
I just fixed your said Yinlin clunky Rotation. It literally only takes seconds doing this thing.
L take on Jinhsi and changli
Nope, correct take.
absolutely correct take i love jinshi but she sucks at pincer unlike jiyan, im prob gonna build xly because of his takes
@@zedeon6299pinoer is just a single event not the entire game
@@reeverfalls2069L take. How does characters have slightly better performance in pincer event make them better over performance in ToA?
@@zedeon6299because pincer event have buff that cater toward Havoc, aero and electro character
Jinhsi with verina is more than enough you can slot anyone in the 3rd slot to play as you want. I main a Jiyan and Jinhsi team and found you can quickswap Jinhsi's heavy and its so long it procs the 2 outro lances of Jiyan its pretty nice.
Ppl really put comment before watching the video huh 😅
Sure all character is MONSTER if you play the game enough and learn to optimize their kit. but if you reach that level or simply character collector you dont need VALUE tier list. Im sweaty enough to do 3 DPS quickswap but if new player asking me which character to pull to progress game faster I wont recomend changli, but I still gonna put her on same tier with yinlin.
My only addition on this take is Jiyan kinda sucks against enemy that moves a lot. which should make him on same level as jinhsi/carlotta at this case.
As a Changli Carlotta quickswap main im crying 😭, love your videos and would be cool to see a full potential tierlist as well!
Carlotta hypercarry is better, her kit restrict you from swapping her out during liberation because it will end the "Final Bow" passive
Full potential would look like 90% of the characters would be in S tier, so what's the point
When it comes to Yinlin, I love using her burst because it doesn't time stop, with the right timing you can just ignore big enemy attacks and then concerto out to the next unit!
Yes its , timestop is wore
Same with verina, its very strong to not have timestop but this guy is too casual tbh
People shitting on his take forgot that this is a value tier list not who does the most damage per screenshot tierlist.
right, people really need to remind their selves that this is not a general tier list and a usability tier list
Its a value tier list but he put changli on B tier. Just criminal since changli is one of the most versatile units with a lot of different playstyle. This just looks like a blatant hate to changli.
it is Saint's list its his opinion no matter how much shit people think it is
@@__Senpai_XD__ if she needs another dps to work she's def low value compared to other 5*
@lucklessflow5769 how can she be a low value. You will always have atleast one dps. Besides, as i said she can be played as a dps herself too, but being able to use her with your existing dps as a sub dps is icing in the cake. It makes her way above other 5 stars.
As a jiyan main, i enjoy saint's glazing because people shit on jiyan for being powercrept even tho he's still good 💀
Saint's Iyo arc incoming, lmao.
j/k
But seriously that list is wild, and your reasonings are even wilder. Saint into that Jiyan bussy.
im so suprised people are hating on jiyan so much, even at this point in the game hes still super strong, and lets not forget his team is with mortefi, very f2p friendly.
@@WaitingForGeshulin no one is hating on Jiyan. They are saying he is not as good as Saint thinks he is.
They just don't want male character to be stronger than their waifus
They all skipped him because they thought he would get power creeped by the next DPS, Kuro proved them wrong but they are still in denial...
@@acciocats8764 so according to your point of view, XY should also be talked down as he higher in the list than even Jiyan. So why is that not happening?
@@psr2771 what you yapping about, Xiangli Yao is not a waifu lmao
The WuWa community’s strongest and sanest Jiyan main, ladies and gentlemen.
Most L-take Saintontas video ngl, Jinhsi is literally still one of the best DPS in Wuthering Waves, Jiyan is consistent but he's worse than Jinhsi and Carlotta.
its a Value tier list not who has the biggest numbers. Jinhsi and Carlotta are worse than Jiyan in most Events and game modes with AOE and multiple Waves.
@@vibriw9315 Yes, hence why Jinhsi SHOULD be on top of Jiyan. Jinhsi is literally amazing at AoE situation, I don't know what people are talking about. She gets her Forte fast with Mortefi E4, and has literally almost no downside (outside of Multiwave, but even you can fix that with Zhezhi because Zhezhi will clears up the smaller enemy due to her high damage), Jinhsi has a lot of variant with her team composition (having work with literally anyone which has coordinated attack while Jiyan NEEDS Mortefi), Jinhsi having higher damage ceilling which makes any content faster to clear, and is overall a better unit than Jiyan. Not to mention, if that's the case why would he put XY above Changli? They're basically both AoE and works literally together the best
Xiangli yao free. But debatable placement I guess. Jiyan> jinhsi just cause jiyan+mort is just better than jinhsi mort/yuanwu or other Carlotta 4* sub dps comps. It is what it is. It's a value tier list for low spender/f2p after all. I'm saying this as jinhsi main.
@@nyes4596its not that i agrees with jiyan > jinhsi especially carlotta since their comfort against 6 holos are literally the best in the game rn.
But jinhsi literally has several downside outside than just multiwaves contenr, I'd take this video more as a bait but its not that he's not making any sense since he's still backing them up with reasons and flaw but maybe overlooking some mechanics and is bias towards some resonators.
In terms of dmg capabilities on free charas S6 mortefi isnt as fast on building incandescence as you describes him to be- yuanwu is the best alternative for that but the down side is not getting a full benefit of 25/38% buffs which could be considered as a huge dmg lost, speaking about dmg lost she must crit to avoid that more than 50% dmg lost in what she does on a single rotation since most of her dmg cames from her nuke.
and avoiding those if worst case scenarios, you must get high crit so definitely get her weapon in order to get a good crit value since standard 5 broadblade is not an option unlike pistol/sword critrate for carlotta and cam making their crit ratio good whereas jinhsi needs to sacrifice 4Cost echo to critrate instead of cdmg so she'll always be "expensive".
(Assuming her value for f2p's is just isnt as great as both Chun though jiyan doesn't make any sense).
Last problem is even with zhezhi i think you're exaggerating what she does to team on multiwaves content, she aint clearing those small mobs with that dmg of hers in sonata moonlit unless you decides to use her offensive set giving up on buffing jinhsi.
@@vibriw9315 Even if it's value it's still wrong, no on in their right mind is going to recommend to someone who is looking for value picks to recommend the very first limited 5 star released in the game, especially now that we are in 2.0. Jinhsi and Carlotta still completely bodies Jiyan in literally every scenario and would both be far more valuable over picking him.
saint try not to be Jiyan biased challenge: failed miserably
I've never felt worse by not playing the game during 1.2
A lot of people dont have Jiyan in the comments
For real. I got him and his weapon on release but mained Calcharro and so I kind of slept on him till recently. Damn he is a monster when you build him and learn how to play him right.
Only dude I've been tempted to pull in a gacha since they're usually lame twinks. Still didn't pull him though.
I have every character and their signature except Roccia. Jinhsi, Carlotta and Camellya are way better than Jiyan.
Exactly lol the waifu collectors are in denial that a male character is worth more than their waifus. Heck even both current male DPS's worth more xD
@@fdpmcfor real, I have him exactly built like my jinshi and camellya with almost the same investment but my jiyan is higher. And he still shit man.
the jiyan glaze is crazy
Nahhh jiyan being above jinhsi and Carlotta has to be ragebait 💀
I think you have a good point in 99% of cases, just wanted to say that if you don't have Jiyan and overall lack of grouping Roccia is a good pick just for grouping, but you need to keep in mind that yes, she need a lot of investment, but if you really enjoy farming and character building it's not that a big of the deal. The worst part it's probably that you actuaqlly need her signature, but in my case I don't have Xiangli Yao signature weapon anyway
What is this? Finally someone not overrating Jinshi
Don’t let bro cook again, please
Nah nah nah not agree on carlotta lol
The guy doesnt play wuthering waves, what did you expect?
Moral of the story, just prioritize your Husbando and your Waifu over meta 👌
I love the fighting in the comments. Saint is a genius CC.
More comments = Better algorithim for his channel. Bro has Xiangli Yao's brain fr
Is that how actually does it works though? He's glazing jiyan ever since way way before, thought he's tryna sneak him and make people believes with his influence, still doing good for his channel
Okay I read the comments, and was expecting some jank, but the disclaimer and the explanation of why you are ranking them there is fair
I have jinshi s0r1 and carlotta s0r1, both of them built and I agree with what he said here.
They’re good in tower and holos, but overworld and pincer, not so much.
I had to redo my runs with Jiyan on all 2nd stages. They just fall short in multi wave.
Edit: I think people in the comsec forget the disclaimer once their favorites were placed lower. I love playing carlotta in overworld even if it’s not optimal. I just enjoy running around with her and killing stuff with guns. Plus her animations. Man, if you really love the character no tier list is correct.
Play the game and have fun!
I'm sorry but not being able to clear pincer with fully built Carlotta in a proper team is pure skill issue. I'm 100% willing to give you that Jiyan is easier, but if you straight up CANT clear with Carlotta I think it's less the unit and more the hands, I'm sorry. To me it's like saying Jiyan can't clear middle stages in TOA. Sure he isn't the best single target DPS out there but he obviously can clear with proper teams and rotations. Same here, Carlotta can clear Pincer COMFORTABLY, I know from experience, she just isn't the absolute number one unit for it. Better than most though, her damage is spread in many hits and that's what really matters in this mode.
@MacA60230 and that’s what he said in the video, they can but they’re not the best at it Value wise.
Re: Carlotta in a proper team, i guess I don’t have that, since I don’t have her BIS Zhezhi and am running her with Taoqi.
And Jiyan, s6 Mortefi is what I have so that’s what I’ll use since it’s easier to get 4k+ in pincers with that team than my Carlotta and Taoqi team.
I’m literally working with what the RNG has given me here.
Rather than skill issue, I think that’s a lack of account investment.
@@rvillaagustin Carlotta outdmg Jiyan with mortefi even with S6 Sanhua
@@Vessalius9 is this still for pincer?
@@rvillaagustin Haven't tried her in pincer with Sanhua but for ToA and holos yes. I used them both with their signature, when you consider that Jiyan f2p weapon isn't great compared to carlotta just further show that this list is inaccurate and biased
Bro's tier list is making me appreciate Prydwen's half baked work. No way he's serious about those placements. 😂
Saint, have you forgotten how much you struggled in the last stage of 'although colors have no form' cuz Hecate kept floating in the air and all Jiyan could do was standing there like an idiot with his ult activated? Yeah, if you had used Carlotta it would've been much easier cuz she can freeze enemies and her ult can hit ememies even when they're in the frigging air like Crownless often does. How about putting that in the reasoning of your tier list?
Can You Make Most Valuable Dupes
As someone who just started wuwa, literally like 5 days ago, getting verina as an upgrade from baizhi felt like taking off concrete shoes, no matter what I get in the future, verina will always be the most valuable to me 🙏
Lel. Wait til you get variation weapon on her
that's how i felt after getting her and swapping jianxin with her, then i got shorekeeper and verina was history 😔
Lol, my Verina is more in a team than shorekeeper
Don't forget man who made things ez for you, the hate towards Verina bc of shorekeeper isn't worth it
you should note that this tier list only take in to effect hyper carry teams
Ladies with gentle hands
This will be my new greeting instead of "Ladies and Gentlemen."
I spit my soda when i heard "We have finally hit the second..." 😂😂😂
For all the people saying Jiyan shouldn’t be above Carlotta and Jinhsi, and that if Jinhsi needs coordinated attackers, Jiyan needs Mortefi and that Saintontas isn’t being fair. Not at all, bro. Jiyan with Aalto is actually really cracked. Not as cracked as Mortefi of course, but it’s still good nonetheless. Jinhsi on the other hand, needs a coordinated attacker for her kit, really limiting her team comps, if that wasn’t enough, she’s not really the best against multiple enemies, since the nuke can sometimes miss a few enemies that weren’t close enough and you can have to do the whole rotation again which can be really annoying.
Also, for those saying the game has a lot of coordinated attackers, Verona is a must have for Jinhsi, we all already know that. That just leaves the sub dps slot vacant for basically only 3 characters. 2 of them being 5 stars in the form of Yinlin and Zhezhi while Yuanwu is her only realistic 4 star option, and no, Mortefi doesn’t work that well with her due to him providing basically no buff to her other than moonlit.
I can testify that, as someone who uses both, Jiyan feels like the better one here. I feel like people tend to overrate both Jinhsi and Carlotta. Like, sure. They’re definitely the best to use against bosses, but they’re also the worst against multiple enemies. I love AOE DPS characters like Jiyan, XLY and even Changli because of this reason, they’re flexible, best against multiple enemies and still amazing against single targets since their dmg stays the same even against them. So yeah, I think AOE DPS characters in general are just above single target DPSs purely because of their flexibility.
Well said
Jiyan haters: "wtf, he put him above my waifus"
Xiangli players: "wtf, he put him above my waifus"
Tier S: S for Shorekeeper
I don't think people in the comments understand this isn't a TOA tier list.
Na he doesnt understand that
Changli is fk op asf in overworld and OP asf in Multiwave
And OP af in a quickswap Team
Its a joke to talk about overworld and waves before and rank her in B Tier 😂
Although I agree with pretty much everything, putting XLY above Yinlin and Changli is kinda weird, who are you playing him with if you don't have neither? Jianxin? Yangyang?
XY can be paired with another DPS or YangYang. He's very quick swappable with his long animations, so you don't need Yinlin or Changli for him.
@@Zer0Perplexityaight so if this is the reason then him putting changli in b makes no sense, by this logic they’re both a tier
@dapper-alcremie460@dapper-alcremie460 personally I think Changli has more value than XY, but only really if you're pursuing quick swap.
@@dapper-alcremie460 the work u need to put in for changli to work is greater than xyl. He mentions the util xyl provides in terms of time slows and gap closing that makes quickswap q a lot easier on him
Yinlin should be b tier imo, she is not the BIS in any team right now. And yeah Saint is just a Changli hater lol.
I just began playing again in 2.0 after being absent ever since the launch and I really needed this. Now just waiting for the part 2
It's a terrible tierlist 😂 he's too biased it's not good advice yk?!
Tbh, except for Shorekeeper, I will put all the others to A tier.
If this was a purely 'do they clear well' tier list I'd 100% agree
Reading the comments made me finish my popcorn. I'm just waiting for an event like PGRs Warzone to see how everyone will react to it...
Are you looking for a positive reaction or negative reaction?
@@TechyCatz Both 😁
@@sevy700😊
I don't have Jiyan, but I have all characters in this S-Tier.
I agree XY is absolutely nuts, on par or above Jinshi's nuke, and way easier to play especially with his ability to pause time during Liberation.
YinLin vs Zezhi is close to me, I have both and have their sig wep. YinLin is a bit slower but she hits hard af.
The video is nice especially for people who may not have some of those characters and want to know where they land. After his is finished, a nice idea will be to do the same for the current weapons in game.(including both 5 stars and 4 stars) for people to know what weapons are more versatile both from the banners and what free to play options are available as 4 stars
The tierlist is too biased
bro just couldn't help it and put changli in B. what's with the hate boner? 😂
and I don't even have her. that placing is certainly a choice
He couldve put her at a or atleast a- but the changli hate is apparent and im having fun watching him hating on a character this bad lmao
@Takodachii1727 skill issue bro
@ He already learned and practiced all changli's rotation and kits tho? In his streams he did a perfect rotation for quick swap changli but still not enough compared to other dps
Just started on psn release with Carlotta with sig as my first limited unit. I will be saving for Shorekeeper and Jiyan reruns 🙌💕
Bro just accept that you're extremely biased toward Jiyan just like I'm extremely biased toward Changli. It's not a big deal. 😂 He is at most a A.
I have yet to see an s0 Changli or S0 Jinhsi clear tower in 40 seconds or less. Until you show that, you have nothing to support Jinhsi is stronger than Jiyan
@BS-se4yg where in my comment I mentioned Jinshi ? Are your brain not braining ?? 😅😂
@@psr2771 show me one DPS character who can clear the tower at s0r1 in 40 seconds or less with a 4* subdps besides Jiyan.
@BS-se4yg this is getting tiring. Where in my comment did I ever try to compare two DPS characters ? Go touch some grass and calm the hell down.
P.S. I don't like quick clearing videos as they are mostly just flashy lights but from what little I have seen, most of the top quick clears are Changli quick swaps. So yeah.
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Chat got lobotomized during the stream lmao
people are missing the point of jiyan being better that jinshi VALUE wise.
her aoe is mid or trash to be honest same with carlotta.
jiyan can easly sub 1 min clear toa and will always be better than both of them AOE, farming, grouping,auto parry. this is VALUE
I can agree on most his take base on value but in jinshi vs Carlotta no. If his basing which is higher or lower on those two base on their pincer performance (since both excel in the same mode but worst in the same mode), I disagree. Carlotta has better performance than jinshi in it mainly because
1. Jinshi main DMG take time to full forte, not ideal on wave type
2. Jinshi's DMG outside of her forte is decent at best same for her aoe outside her forte.
All the while Carlotta
1. Has better average DMG outside her main source
2. Her ultimate(main DMG) is mutliple part and cast(unlike jinshi's one cast Forti). Which makes her similar but worst to xiacliao in pencer. Carlotta has stronger DMG per hit but lower aoe compare to xiang Liao
3. Carlotta main source of aoe outside her ulti is her Forti which has alot of easy technic to full, (even her non enhace Forti has good aoe)
Nah man L take
W
sub 1 minute clear the first levels of the towers yes 😂
Correction for Jinshi. Her AoE is super good but her Multiwave content is bad.
31:52 One thing that goes for Roccia's value is that if paired with Camellya, your Sanhua gets freed for a different DPS such as Encore, Carlotta (for those without Zhezhi) or future BA damage dealers.
he probably have a s6 jiyan 😂
Carlotta being expensive is so lore accurate
Big skill issue CC attempts to make Wuwa Meta content
Bro to make a tierlist you should at least have played every character you talk about
I think you won't ever accept that Encore S0 stringmaster is just as good as Jiyan
And you don't play well any other team that is not Jiyan
I mean what can i expect? L takes on Jinhsi, Carlotta and Changli
Basically this is just your opinion without actual experimentation. And i think you know pretty well, that's pretty poor
Overall, it is a good tier list, points and reasoning are well presented on each unit. BUT b4 y'all complain...
Don't forget that you have an option to DISREGARD it if you disagree..
The problem is the new players praising him and saying they are converting to the cult of Psycho jiyans, not even the sane ones lol like they are calling jinshi bad like what?! And then there is changli like B?!
Its more like an AOE tier list then value tier list
Also carlotta has a lot of aoe idk what this guy smoked when he said she doesnt have aoe
well, generalists will outperform overall specialists 95% of the time so that's about it
@@kaloyanivanov885 lot of aoe?? One mid damage aoe and the last ult shot that has an aoe of a door size.
That's a lot of aoe?? Compared to jiyan and camyllia, it's like 10vs100
@@Wolfyyy 2 ult aoe, forte aoe and double E aoe per rotation. Even without the E thats still 3 abilities that do aoe. In fact her aoe is better than Jinhsi, who has only 2 nukes, Carlotta has 3 plus the mid range shots of her ult. So Carlotta performs better in pincer than Jinhsi.
26:56 The thing is though you can get all the Astrites from Pincer without getting the highest clear target. For tower you need all the stars to get the maximum Astrite. It's also only 300 Astrite over 1 whole patch so it's honestly really no big deal.
as a jiyan main, this makes me happy
The Jinhsi slander goes crazy. She can clear every pincer stage and get 5k point on the last stage (s0r1)
My mans you must try Jinshi with Yuanwu in current pincer maneuver, I easily cleared the final endless run with 8000 (overall) score first try
me too i finish pincer with carlotta first try, i don't remember the score, because i thought the pincer got nerved
@@kharis9120 It did, after what happened last time...
I feel appreciated for pulling the top 4 on the list but also a Changli owner, so I was aware she wasn't gonna place high on this guy's tier list 😅
Changli is the best unit in the whole game If u can actually play well
But this guy is very casual and cant swap rly
Changli is also rediculous strong in Multiwave and overworld cz her liberation is not needed
Hes just a changli hater
While prydwen place changli s Tier for Tower, he places her b Tier even when she is SS for overall value because her value in overworld and waves is insane high
@@Nesteayy she is nowhere near jiyan or any other DPS ...
A support being too reliant on a dps character being top tier makes them top tier too? X to doubt. Pull value should be based on how well the character synergizes with multiple teams while contributing buffs/damage/utility. Zhezhi doesnt have good synergy outside jinhsi and carlotta, her coordinated attacks have mid damage, no grouping, no AoE but she is S tier. Roccia has grouping, universal attack buff, AoE, good damage with investment, fits into multiple quick swap teams but is B tier? The fact that Roccia is not locked with Camellya already says that her pull value is much higher than ultra niche supports like zhezhi. I guess some wuwa players also cant figure out what pull value means. The Roccia slander is real
Heck even changli, how come she's soo low when she can be used in so many different teams. Doesnt pull value means a particular character working in a lot of different situation and not just one niche?
Hard disagree with your takes.
Zhezhi is S tier because she is BiS for the 2 most used DPSes in the game. And it’s by a considerable margin for Carlotta (Taoqi is extremely annoying to use). And she’s the only unit to simultaneously have coordinated attacks and a res skill amplifying outro for Jinhsi (while not being same element as Jinhsi for those extra forte stacks). She also heavily reduces ER requirements, as her outro provides 15 energy on your dps for free (which you fail to mention btw).
Roccia primarily used as a BiS support for Camellya and HR. However, what makes her B tier is that she’s barely better than S6 Sanhua. And she is only 1% better in the 1 team that is commonly used in ToA (Camellya hypercarry). She also feels worse to use. Sanhua just needs moonlit+heron and you’re already dealing good damage. Roccia meanwhile needs 70% CR and 130% ER to maximise her 200 ATK buff. There also aren’t many characters that *need* her grouping, especially because it’s wasted on Camellya who already has excellent AoE.
You can argue that Roccia is usable in quickswap teams. But that’s not what 99% of people would use her for. You could also argue that a large portion of characters in the game work surprisingly well for quickswap. Especially when Changli already exists.
It’s not that Roccia performs badly. The reason why she is ranks so low is that she’s only a 5% upgrade at most when compared to her alternatives. Whereas Zhezhi is *at least* a 25% upgrade for Jinhsi and Carlotta teams, that are used by 80-90% of people. She also *feels* twice as smooth compared to Yuanwu for Jinhsi and Taoqi for Carlotta.
@GrGalan6464 Just because another character buffs similarly doesn't make the other character lower tier. Let me use Genshin as an example. Kazuha is an amazing buffer and grouper, a solid S tier. Xilonen is an amazing buffer, a solid S tier. Having supports that buff similarly don't make one superior over the other.
Roccia and C6 Sanhua have similar buffing capability, so why is Sanhua S tier but Roccia B tier? Literally makes 0 sense. Not enough crit rate? Just run 44111 moonlit with ER weapon or just ignore the 200 attack buff all together, treat it like a non C6 Sanhua. The fact that you didn't even consider this makes your argument flawed already. Yes I agree zhezhi is BiS for 2 meta DPS Jinhsi and Carlotta, but you can't use her in both teams, you have to choose either ZZ with Jinhsi or with Carlotta.
Roccia being similar to Sanhua means she is free from the Camellya jail which Sanhua is stuck in because there is no other meta basic attacker DPS other than Camellya, which Sanhua only buffs, which is basic attacks. Roccia buffs havoc and basic attacks which is already superior to Sanhua's niche buff. "Zhezhi is at least 25% upgrade for Jinhsi and Carlotta teams" because the 4 stars for them are contributes almost no damage and clunky AF to play, that's why zhezhi feels much better. I hope this debate broadens your mind.
@@Creeperific This is a tier list for the most *valuable* characters. Not the characters with the highest capabilities. This is literally said in the title of the video.
Roccia is not as valuable as Sanhua because she is:
1. A lot more niche
2. Only 1% better even when used in her niche (Camellya hypercarry)
3. Requires a lot more investment in terms of pulls and mats to perform on a similar level
Allowing Sanhua to be used elsewhere is the only decent argument for Roccia. And the other BA DPS team she excels in is Aalto (HR prefers Danjin). Which 99.9% of people don’t even use him.
@@GrGalan6464 Well i guess it's no use reasoning with you. Roccia has more utility and buff than Sanhua but you say she is more niche, countering your own argument. Waste of time trying to reason with your Roccia slander and Sanhua glazing
XY mobility and movement is so satisfying, it feels like glitching
Sanest Jiyan brainrot enjoyer lmao.
It makes no sense for you to put Changli that low on a value tier list because, would you rather:
A) Pull for 1 sub-dps who only works well with 1 or 2 dps characters and gets matched or even outclassed by more universal characters like Sanhua and Yangyang when paired with dps characters that don't synergize as well with them, but you don't have to build them.
B) Pull for 1 hybrid (Changli) who works well with every single dps in the game, but you have to fully build her.
There is no difference between, for instance, pulling Yinlin for your Xiangli Yao to boost his damage and pulling Changli to do the same, except that Changli can do that for any dps character in the game and not just specific ones that can benefit from the sub-dps character's outro buffs. Sure you'll have to spend a lot of resources to build Changli, but in terms of astrite you get a very flexible character who works in any team and saves you the need to pull a dps character's dedicated buffer to get a really strong team.
Sure Changli's skill ceiling is really high and you need be pretty good at the game to make her perform as well as a dps character's dedicated buffer, but it's not like Changli can't clear content at lower levels of play with minimal quickswaps.
Saint I’m starting to think you might just be 🏳️🌈
Xiangli Yao + Yinlin + Verina feels so good to play
Jiyan in S tier is absolutely hogwild
how come, he is great
@ he is notably worse than every other 5 star limited mdps other than XY who makes up for it in flexibility and utility
@@n8nwest5630 skill take. Jiyan is the strongest Speedrun character along side Carlotta, you are just shit at the game
@@n8nwest563 And Jiyan makes it up by having the best grouping in the game.Him and Roccia will see massive buffs once we see more AOE content(actually already have due to Pincer)
@@skyrimenjoyer so will changli, XY, and camellia
Just found your channel from Tectone, you remind me of DemoneKim in the early days of Genshin if you know who that is. Super knowledgeable down to earth guy, you guys give the same vibes!
Insane Jiyan glaze lmao.
1) His tacet field is not efficient to farm.
2) The highest ER requirement among limited 5-star dps units.
3) Need S6 Mortefi BADLY to compete in current meta.
4) limited teambuilding and gameplay, only great in hypercarry.
Saint is using 1 character best in slot scenario and forcing it on every other dps
@ryuk6795 he misunderstands 'value' 😂
Stop acting like mortefi is hard to get, everyone who plays the game decently has him S6. Other points are just bad . This list is considering good investment, echo farming one day will be good enough it's not that hard but you can't change a characters kit like that
@@pranavdatta2059 i have every dps chara and don't have s6 mortefi
I think Roccia may be for Phrolova or the new sentinel resonator. Sub dps is usually released before the targeted DPS. JInhsi didn't get a dedicated sub dps, maybe because they are already very powerful. Yinlin feels built as XY support. It's not we didn't get Havoc sub dps for Camellya, but we already have that, similar to Jiyan.
Funny for a "Jiyan main" he never optimal dash cancel and weave support autos on rotations and just do brainrot one button hold to appease the core audience 🤣
He cant even use verina what do you expect 😂
Thank god I don’t pay attention to tier lists and just play whatever characters I like. Don’t have Jiyan, SK or Jinshi and still clearing all end game content just fine.
Idk why saint's chat hating on jiyan? I literally cleared every content (without sig weapon) in the game with jiyan...
because a dude can’t possibly be better than their waifus
Jiyan is really good but I think Saint still glaze him too much lol.
Well, maybe not towards to Jiyan. But towards saints seems have some bias. Someone like me clear everything with Changli Havoc Rover team easily will strongly disagree with the rank of Changli.
He just seems prefer some particular play style of a character.
Welp I also clear every content with jinshi w/o sig so imo she is the best. That doesn't say anything now, does it?
I mean because this is probably the most retarded take he has ever had. His reasoning with carlotta also didn't fit right with me since she has plenty of aoe. I really didnt face any issue clearing pincer which u know mostly favours aoe charas. Even her supports, you dont really need zezhi to play her comfortably since sanhua works really well with her. Besides, how come he put changli on B tier when arguably she's one of the most versatile charas in game, she literally works with every other dps, you can play her as a sole dps, if you have her you can also enjoy a lot of cool quickswap teams.
changli still have potential and just fun to play on almost all content. saint's just dont wanna use her kek
Roccia being a B is such a wild take, it's insane how terrible this ranking is.
True. Should be C.
I think bro should change the tittle to : the best pincer manuver characters 😂
lmfao nah he didnt just rank Jinhsi there, id let it slide if ure drunk or smth
Sure, Carlotta has AOE issue, but you can pair her with Yang Yang, a free 4 star sub-dps that good at grouping. I used Carlotta in the left tower with Yang yang, and I clear that tower just fine. On top of that, she has very good mobility. If you gonna rate Xiangli Yao with his mobity, you should rate her with mobilty as well. She also has a very long ranged and high damage liberation, which makes her very easy to play.
As always, undervaluing Changli and overhyping Jiyan smh
What exactly is Saintonta's beef with duoDPS comps?
Hypercarry isn't the only playstyle.
His skill issue
For the love of all things good in the world, stop using the word 'obviously' as a conjunctive. At best, it's annoying to hear the same unpleasant 3 syllable word so unbearably often. At its worst, it's just condescending and unhelpful.
FYI, I counted at least 15 times you've used the word 'obviously' just in this single video, and in every single instance you used the word to make it sound as though your claim did not need an explanation because it was so readily apparent to anyone who plays the game although it most definitely was not. Stop using the word 'obviously' to turn your opinion into a fact. Just say the thing you're gonna say.
Last thing, using the word 'obviously' when you're trying to convince someone or explain your idea to another person is just poor communication if not just plain rude. You rule out the possibility of you being wrong, or your listener bringing a valid counterpoint to build a constructive dialogue.
Et Demonstratum: If I said "You obviously should never use the word 'obviously' when having a constructive dialogue with someone" instead of saying what I said above, how would that make you feel?
Just food for thought.