Hello Red Beard. My name is Luke aka uniqueone. I was injured while serving in the U.S.M.C . I raced dirt karts as a kid from 8 to almost 17 . Back then it was the 5 hp flat with Alcohol carburetors. Many surgery later and a ton of rehab I’m ready to try doing some dirt racing again. I have a great bunch of friends on board to help. I started from scratch with a bare racing Cassie And I will be using the predator 212. I have learned a ton from your channel and was able to setup my first fuel pump system by making my own pulse with the overhead value and removing the governor gear. I was hoping that there might be a way that I could message you to ask a few questions for a little help so I would not be bothering the RUclips messages and bugging everyone. Again thank you for time and your channel it’s a lot of fun to watch...
WOW, you guys are amazing. You swapped that engine on a mini-bike far better than Carsandcameras did today, you guys used an impact wrench and they just used hand wrenches. Truly inspiring!
Gunna need one of these soon. I finished an xr50 with a 70 4 speed. My brother rode it and needed one on a budget so we built him a doodlebug with a predator swap. Now I wanna tillitson swap a 4 wheeler or go cart
Hey RBG, from one round guy to another, if you're being recorded and you crash and you're on any type of hill you should roll down it for the sake of comedy... For maximum hilarity roll UP the hill.
You forgot to mention that this is a much higher compression engine than normal i think like 13 or 14:1 so race gas and a few tweaks would make a crazy race minibike motor.
I have a predator 212 hemi it has the aftermarket air filter kit and aftermarket exhaust a better spark plug and arc billet flywheel the governor is still hooked up it mounted on a doodlebug and my top speed was 47 mph
The puppets on these types of channels push whatever, whenever they are told. They dont want you finding the best bang for the buck. Get a ducar 212, aluminum flywheel rated to 10,000 rpm, adjustable carb jets, reinforced block, more torque...and its a hemi. Predators are for the masses power washers. Be safe
Any chance you wanna throw this on your dyno quick? Was told it made around 7.1hp out of the box or as much as 10. It's What I started with as a building block for a motor since the price was good and flat top piston the jt207 head etc. 24mm carb rod .010 head gasket, super x dyno cam, all the stuff to make it live it has now, honestly it's to much for my buddies dirt oval soon as you stand on it just lights the vision 1 legend chassis rear tires with 12 66 gearing like no ones in the kart lol.
Hi love your videos 💪 what type off stage 4 kit will fit the 212r Tillotson racing engine, been looking on Google but haven't have luck finding anything?
I was thinking that the Tillitson R had the hemi head, maybe not. I think one would be money ahead with the predator converted because of the $150 initial cost savings but I just like to build these small engines. Keep up the good videos but you’ll be careful or you are going to get hurt bad.
I bought a motovox mini bike. Took out the 2.5hp motor, re painted it and thinking im putting in a predator 212. Any suggestions on my first build/mini bike?!
So I'm guessing if one has the extra cash that one should buy the Tillotson 212R over a Predator 212. Is there a Tillotson 212 (without the R) that is more affordable and if so how does it compare to the Predator 212?
We have a small idk what name brand knock off 4 wheeler. Has a briggs 550. On it. Would this be a good swap amd would i need a defrent clutch?. Was lookimg at yalls sight. Bery good prices
Wow, cars and cameras stole you idea, I saw your Instagram post saying this was coming out today and you posted that a few days ago. Don’t tell anyone but I prefer this channel over any other
Id like to see the torque rating. In other words, would it be a replacement for a more expensive 420cc on an offroad kart? Would it even be worth taking the govenor off? I doubt it as it would probably only be good for a small difference. I do like the improved air filter and the plastic filter cover. The stock predator filters are garbage and continually get your carb dirty and im not a fan of the k&n styles with sock because when you're in dust and mud they just dont cut it. I was going to take a briggs style box and filter and mod it to fit my 212.
Come to think of it, I have a Manco 3 wheeler with a 212 on it so im pretty sure I am going to replace it with one of these. That solves 2 problems. The other being I wanted to run twin 212's on my kart. I do like the predators. I weigh 250lbs and I have a light kart with live axle, 48 tooth, torque converter and I can get low 40'smph stage 1 with no govenor plus plenty of low end. You can cheat a little with a tc, never be able to run a 48tooth with a clutch a rip uphill from a dead stop with a clutch. With twins should be interesting lol. Of course, like I said it's a light frame also.
It sounds like it's got a nice "Lope" to it. You throw a header with a DG pipe from Amazon and it would sound sweeeeeeeetttt please get a DG exhaust slip on for dirt bikes and test them on these. They sound great on all small engine like this
hello im a big fan. question I have a chinees buggy that I put a predator 670 on it. I put a 40 series torque converter on it.Its not grabbing the way I expected. do I need a larger one or can I upgrade the converter springs?
What do you recommend, getting a 212 predator and working its way up or getting the Tillotson 212r and working it’s way up? What’s cheaper and more convenient for power ?
What I've found is a predator is $100, a performance air filter kit is $40, a header is $40, and a muffler is almost $80. That's $220 for about the same performance as what this engine is claiming. This engine goes on sale for $220. Also, with the predator you have to take it all apart before you can even use it. But, I have not used a tillotson yet, so I am not sure how good they are.
@@dustinshort6207 u can get a filter for 28 from omb, and then build a header for $12 for pipe and u can run a big 1 1/8 in pipe. so for $140 you get the same performance. and this engine is 220 if u pick it up. if u want it shipped good luck last i checked it was 40 to ship to ny
@@dustinshort6207 Get a ducar 212, aluminum flywheel rated to 10,000 rpm, adjustable carb jets, reinforced crank case, more torque...and its a hemi for $217 bucks. Predators are for the masses to use in their power washers, lol. Be safe.
@@joelboley2344 Get a ducar 212, aluminum flywheel rated to10,000 rpm, adjustable carb jets, reinforced block, more torque...and its a hemi. The flywheels in the tillotson are not rated for 10,000 rpms...no matter what the ads say. A ducar 212 flywheel is rated for 10,000 rpms. Just a heads up, be safe.
Amazing they got that power number with a stock appearing airbox and stock appearing muffler. So do we really need those expensive addons and open headers afterall??
its all in the head and cam if you want to make any real gains. the stock exhaust on most small engines is still poo poo though haha. it does help make them run better and cooler all around when they are opened up a little as long as the carb is tuned right though.
hello, i have a coleman ct200 ex stock engine would hop up parts for predator 212 fit or work wanting to upgrade motor not sure of manufacture of motor thanks love your guys youtube channel
@@hayimhere9604 nowhere near true it has improved parts such as the cam head and carb higher governor engagement but it is not built if this is what you consider built then I don’t want to see your stock bike
About how many times have you been pulled over by the police on your speed runs to the dollar store and back? The cops around Xenia,Ohio would not be happy seeing you ! :) awesome video's!
@@shushunliu6572 I honestly think it is close ungoverned. If you put it up against all the other out of the box 212s, pull all those governors and stick them straight on a dyno, no stage 1, AS it comes....the 212r will poop on the others at a certain point because of A)the cam B)the carb c)compression. The triple "c" is hard to beat....now really run them...only 2 engines will remain in contact but the blue caped avenger would hold on till that last rotation......it is a nice cast flywheel though....🤔
You can't get this engine anymore, if you want my opinion go with the Tillotson 212E Hemi. That motor is powerful and very reliable from what I've heard and I've never heard anyting bad about it yet.
William Velasquez they have torque converter rated for this much hp so yes u can. But I the links don’t work anymore and every website I try for this engine all say out of stock :( been that way for months
Interesting. I found this engine on another site about three weeks ago, yet you provide a GPS link that is broken. I search for it and GPS says it might be available in several days. Why not link all available sources?
You can get a hemi head 212 for 100 with coupon at harbour freights and 80 for the better stage 1 kit. Add a upgraded idle jet for 4 bucks and a offset timing key for 6 or 8. Best combo I've found without tearing into the engine.
Andrew Boyle in usually like to support RBG. I spent $700 not long ago and used their coupon code and said I was referred by them. I received no response in regard to my post so I used the code DIYGOKARTS and said they referred me. Just did a $350 order this morning.
These really don't look like they make much more power than a slightly modded 212......with all the variables like gearing, transmission type, tire diameter, rider/vehicle weight, it's very difficult to objectively support a claim of 12hp without doing a side by side drag race between 2 identical bikes, geared exactly the same with near identical total weights. I won't believe it makes anywhere near 12hp unless i see it curb stomp a stock 6hp 212 with the same exact bikes, rider weights, and gearing/clutches.
To the oval guys one of them will dyno this engine with a predator for a predator class not the spg predators. Just your predators with a .750 max O.D pipe. Stock airbox. Still dont think it would pass a predator class why because it's not a predator. You might get away with swapping a flywheel cover but if the tec guy catches that it's not a predator block well good luck running the engine lol.
@@Maverick_Van_Traveller horsepower does not necessarily go up in a linear fashion with rpms. Horsepower is determined at a specific rpm.... all engines have an rpm after which power starts dropping off.
@@Maverick_Van_Traveller like brandon said below the rpm doesn't solely determine the hp. If this engine has a better flowing head with a cam profile that allows for that increase in flow to be used only then will it actually make more power. you could in theory setup a stock 212 predator with the governor system from this engine (5800rpm) but I promise it will be way out of its efficiency range for the cam. the head will flow enough air but the cam wont allow it to. it will make slightly more power but it won't have a nice torque curve at all. and if you put a load on it it also will likely drop back down to around 4500-5000. I'll bet thats where a stock predator cam runs out of steam. just my .02
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Who else is inspired by RBG, CarsandCameras, Ratherbwelding, and others?
they all got me into mini bIkes and carts.
meeee!
Cant get enough. Im building a stage 3/4 hemi 212. I wish it was warm so I could go riding.
Excitement with Technology me
I wouldnt say inspired. But I definitely learn alot
I just bought a 212r. Can't wait till it gets here.
Where do you buy it
@@Gearheadlaboratory that motor was complete garbage. Barely made 6hp .I got totally ripped off on it. They wouldn't give me a refund!
Hello Red Beard. My name is Luke aka uniqueone. I was injured while serving in the U.S.M.C . I raced dirt karts as a kid from 8 to almost 17 . Back then it was the 5 hp flat with Alcohol carburetors. Many surgery later and a ton of rehab I’m ready to try doing some dirt racing again. I have a great bunch of friends on board to help. I started from scratch with a bare racing Cassie And I will be using the predator 212. I have learned a ton from your channel and was able to setup my first fuel pump system by making my own pulse with the overhead value and removing the governor gear. I was hoping that there might be a way that I could message you to ask a few questions for a little help so I would not be bothering the RUclips messages and bugging everyone. Again thank you for time and your channel it’s a lot of fun to watch...
RED I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS IM 57YRS OLD WHEN ME AND MY BROTHERS WERE KIDS WE BUILT ALL KINDS OF GOKARTS AND MINIBIKES COOL STUFF MAN
STEVE
that backfire was insane. oh my GOD that sounds beautiful
Enjoyed this video a lot !! I’ll be putting this 212R on my BT200X here soon !!
Let me know how it goes im planning to do the same
My wife bought me a ctu-exr for Christmas.. I LOVE MY BIKE!!
She's d!stuff
Cz
WOW, you guys are amazing. You swapped that engine on a mini-bike far better than Carsandcameras did today, you guys used an impact wrench and they just used hand wrenches. Truly inspiring!
You aren't being serious right? like using different tools makes one job better than the other. and I'm pretty sure they did use a dewalt impact lol.
Haven't watched in a while, but the new intro is 10x better
You guys need to try the tillotson tct mechanical fuel injection on one of your builds
Gunna need one of these soon. I finished an xr50 with a 70 4 speed. My brother rode it and needed one on a budget so we built him a doodlebug with a predator swap. Now I wanna tillitson swap a 4 wheeler or go cart
Yes cant wait for the frame build.
🔥🔥. Red. Question ? What side rear sprocket and clutch sprocket you running 👽🤟🏴☠️
Tillotson 212R looks awesome.
Red beard/stunt man! Thanks for review. Nice to have this option now. Bolt on sweetness.
Hey RBG, from one round guy to another, if you're being recorded and you crash and you're on any type of hill you should roll down it for the sake of comedy...
For maximum hilarity roll UP the hill.
I have a Harley Davidson but still love the mini bikes, they are just so much fun to ride and build.
More power too. 😂😂
Are you going to do a video on the carb to mechanical injection thing that they sell on Go Powersports
I got a 212 that has been ran 600 miles. still runs like a beast about to run 70miles more
How would that setup do with a torque converter instead of clutch?
You forgot to mention that this is a much higher compression engine than normal i think like 13 or 14:1 so race gas and a few tweaks would make a crazy race minibike motor.
I went to 212e I should have brought the 212r just for a few more dollars more
Can you tell me the difference between the 212e and 212r
What’s a better engine outta this 212r & the Briggs Animal?
good video content as usual guys...is the 212R a fit with the GPS torque convertor as well? God Bless all,
I think this was the first time I saw red crash n burn ! Sorry bout your rib but I still laughed a little lol. Great video as always guys !
So question is for the extra 120 bucks do you get a more durable more powerful engine compared to spending 120 on suping up your predator?
Less headache
Cant wait to see you build the 212r. Im building a briggs right now.
After having it over a year would you buy it again???? Gopowersports doesnt even carry them anymore only the HEMI version....
It sounds really good.
I have a predator 212 hemi it has the aftermarket air filter kit and aftermarket exhaust a better spark plug and arc billet flywheel the governor is still hooked up it mounted on a doodlebug and my top speed was 47 mph
i have a stock predator 212cc with no air filter but the box is there and stock exaust and i hit 45
Nice
whats your gearing?
I run a torque a verter but I have the stock Rear sprocket on it and that is 70tooth
That intro is badass
Can you bring the 200cc yerf dog go kart back
How come you guys didn't make any more videos about this engine
The puppets on these types of channels push whatever, whenever they are told. They dont want you finding the best bang for the buck. Get a ducar 212, aluminum flywheel rated to 10,000 rpm, adjustable carb jets, reinforced block, more torque...and its a hemi.
Predators are for the masses power washers. Be safe
Just put intake and header on ours with the tct carb....took a few mins to dial in the carb but holy shitballs Batman she sounds mean!
Any chance you wanna throw this on your dyno quick? Was told it made around 7.1hp out of the box or as much as 10. It's What I started with as a building block for a motor since the price was good and flat top piston the jt207 head etc. 24mm carb rod .010 head gasket, super x dyno cam, all the stuff to make it live it has now, honestly it's to much for my buddies dirt oval soon as you stand on it just lights the vision 1 legend chassis rear tires with 12 66 gearing like no ones in the kart lol.
Hi love your videos 💪 what type off stage 4 kit will fit the 212r Tillotson racing engine, been looking on Google but haven't have luck finding anything?
See that you have an old Attex 6x6. You should do a video on that. Put a 20hp in in and see how it runs.
I was thinking that the Tillitson R had the hemi head, maybe not. I think one would be money ahead with the predator converted because of the $150 initial cost savings but I just like to build these small engines. Keep up the good videos but you’ll be careful or you are going to get hurt bad.
so if i was to remove the gov on the tillotson i wouldnt need to upgrade the valve springs?
No them springs will handle Alot , this is a Tillotson Engine not a Predator Engine Lol
@@jacobsebastien3910 are you familiar with the tillotson 225cc bro?
What was the top speed.
How does the Tillotson r compare to a techumseh 6.5. Looking to change out on a yerf dog 3203. Thanks!
That looks like a great engin
I bought a motovox mini bike. Took out the 2.5hp motor, re painted it and thinking im putting in a predator 212. Any suggestions on my first build/mini bike?!
jjgarrison33 hold it wide 🤙🏼🤙🏼
So I'm guessing if one has the extra cash that one should buy the Tillotson 212R over a Predator 212. Is there a Tillotson 212 (without the R) that is more affordable and if so how does it compare to the Predator 212?
I have a baja racer do i need this jackshaft ?? What is the advantage of a jackshaft again. looks like a primary chain on a Harley lol.
We have a small idk what name brand knock off 4 wheeler. Has a briggs 550. On it. Would this be a good swap amd would i need a defrent clutch?. Was lookimg at yalls sight. Bery good prices
Wow, cars and cameras stole you idea, I saw your Instagram post saying this was coming out today and you posted that a few days ago. Don’t tell anyone but I prefer this channel over any other
RP Motorsport they are both sponsored by Go power sports so they gotta make vids to review
Joel Raheem I know, but post on the same day?? Kind of weird
Id like to see the torque rating. In other words, would it be a replacement for a more expensive 420cc on an offroad kart? Would it even be worth taking the govenor off? I doubt it as it would probably only be good for a small difference. I do like the improved air filter and the plastic filter cover. The stock predator filters are garbage and continually get your carb dirty and im not a fan of the k&n styles with sock because when you're in dust and mud they just dont cut it. I was going to take a briggs style box and filter and mod it to fit my 212.
Come to think of it, I have a Manco 3 wheeler with a 212 on it so im pretty sure I am going to replace it with one of these. That solves 2 problems. The other being I wanted to run twin 212's on my kart. I do like the predators. I weigh 250lbs and I have a light kart with live axle, 48 tooth, torque converter and I can get low 40'smph stage 1 with no govenor plus plenty of low end. You can cheat a little with a tc, never be able to run a 48tooth with a clutch a rip uphill from a dead stop with a clutch. With twins should be interesting lol. Of course, like I said it's a light frame also.
It sounds like it's got a nice "Lope" to it. You throw a header with a DG pipe from Amazon and it would sound sweeeeeeeetttt please get a DG exhaust slip on for dirt bikes and test them on these. They sound great on all small engine like this
Add a small swingarm pike u did for trike minibike build. That will let u sit back a bit and smthen out the ride.
hello im a big fan. question I have a chinees buggy that I put a predator 670 on it. I put a 40 series torque converter on it.Its not grabbing the way I expected. do I need a larger one or can I upgrade the converter springs?
What do you recommend, getting a 212 predator and working its way up or getting the Tillotson 212r and working it’s way up? What’s cheaper and more convenient for power ?
What I've found is a predator is $100, a performance air filter kit is $40, a header is $40, and a muffler is almost $80. That's $220 for about the same performance as what this engine is claiming. This engine goes on sale for $220. Also, with the predator you have to take it all apart before you can even use it.
But, I have not used a tillotson yet, so I am not sure how good they are.
Price for Power..... Tillotson is better
@@dustinshort6207 u can get a filter for 28 from omb, and then build a header for $12 for pipe and u can run a big 1 1/8 in pipe. so for $140 you get the same performance. and this engine is 220 if u pick it up. if u want it shipped good luck last i checked it was 40 to ship to ny
@@dustinshort6207 Get a ducar 212, aluminum flywheel rated to 10,000 rpm, adjustable carb jets, reinforced crank case, more torque...and its a hemi for $217 bucks.
Predators are for the masses to use in their power washers, lol. Be safe.
@@joelboley2344 Get a ducar 212, aluminum flywheel rated to10,000 rpm, adjustable carb jets, reinforced block, more torque...and its a hemi. The flywheels in the tillotson are not rated for 10,000 rpms...no matter what the ads say. A ducar 212 flywheel is rated for 10,000 rpms.
Just a heads up, be safe.
Amazing they got that power number with a stock appearing airbox and stock appearing muffler. So do we really need those expensive addons and open headers afterall??
its all in the head and cam if you want to make any real gains. the stock exhaust on most small engines is still poo poo though haha. it does help make them run better and cooler all around when they are opened up a little as long as the carb is tuned right though.
Why isn’t this engine on the website anymore
hello, i have a coleman ct200 ex stock engine would hop up parts for predator 212 fit or work wanting to upgrade motor not sure of manufacture of motor thanks love your guys youtube channel
Great engine demo
Sweet I’m going to get one . Thanks boys
What’s the difference between the r and the regular version
R means race its already built
@@hayimhere9604 nowhere near true it has improved parts such as the cam head and carb higher governor engagement but it is not built if this is what you consider built then I don’t want to see your stock bike
@@colbyturbeville2946 I was a joke
@@hayimhere9604 my bad
More vids of the wreck....... CLASSIC!!!!!
Why did they use a non-hemi?
Im going to order one for my snow blower. Should be able to through 100 ft.
About how many times have you been pulled over by the police on your speed runs to the dollar store and back? The cops around Xenia,Ohio would not be happy seeing you ! :) awesome video's!
I got the new one. Sweet motor! 5800 rpm out of the box!
Was the engine 12 hp?
@@shushunliu6572 I honestly think it is close ungoverned. If you put it up against all the other out of the box 212s, pull all those governors and stick them straight on a dyno, no stage 1, AS it comes....the 212r will poop on the others at a certain point because of A)the cam B)the carb c)compression. The triple "c" is hard to beat....now really run them...only 2 engines will remain in contact but the blue caped avenger would hold on till that last rotation......it is a nice cast flywheel though....🤔
Will this make a huge difference switching it out with a 196cc?
i imagine so
I crapped myself when you said 36,000 😂
I wish my mini bike would run 36,000 rpm 😭😂
Love the channel! That engine is sweet!
I had the same problem on my BT200X with the clutch bolt.
The bolts holding the muffler guard on were falling out also.
Blue loctite
So is it basically a stage 3 built 212 predator with a governor
Do they not sell these raceing motors no more
Are there any stage one upgrades like the predator does for this 212r?
They actually sell it with stage 1. Love mine
8:42 😂😂😂
AMG Cartel that made my day 😂😂😂
So is this a 7hp motor or 12.5hp? Go power sports just told me it’s 7 and that’s the reason why they stopped selling it.......wth?
What's the difference between 212 hemi and 212 non hemi
When will they be In Stock?" I definitely need this for my Colman BT200x ""
You can't get this engine anymore, if you want my opinion go with the Tillotson 212E Hemi. That motor is powerful and very reliable from what I've heard and I've never heard anyting bad about it yet.
I'm game in going to buy one for my Coleman mini bike
It also has a flat piston
Have you played with a minibike powered with a single cylinder diesel engine? To me that would be kind of fun.
Makin sum Powrrrrr..
Your link isn't working for the motor
SoundStream Entertainments carsandcameras link doesn’t work iether. Also every website I look at for this engine all say out of stock
Saul Rodriguez same
Saul Rodriguez People are saying that they stop making them because they did not really make as much horsepower and they were saying they did
Awesome video!!!
What does it rev out to with out the governor
what speedometer app do you use?
So my question is being this high HP out the box i still could put a torque converter on it and make faster than it is right?
William Velasquez they have torque converter rated for this much hp so yes u can. But I the links don’t work anymore and every website I try for this engine all say out of stock :( been that way for months
Interesting. I found this engine on another site about three weeks ago, yet you provide a GPS link that is broken. I search for it and GPS says it might be available in several days. Why not link all available sources?
He is paid by Go Power Sports, can't link it to anyplace else.
LNR Ridez that makes more sense now. Thanks
EC Carburetors has em in stock, just bought mine. $265 to my door
I'm so gonna order one!!! 😁
Im lost. My 200ex with predator hemi and gov removal will run 42
I can't find this engine on gopowersports.
I was looking no lucky
Ec carbs will have in stock any day now
Jacob Sebastien how do U no they been out of stock for forever now
Jacob Sebastien people say that don’t make them no more
Does anyone know the best way to make one of these super quiet? I want to ride at night.
I have 2. 2 stroke engines and those are loud you try ordering a muffler for like a honda grom and there not so noisy
How much do you have invested in the engine with stage 1? That's how we will know if it's worth it price wise.
You can get a hemi head 212 for 100 with coupon at harbour freights and 80 for the better stage 1 kit. Add a upgraded idle jet for 4 bucks and a offset timing key for 6 or 8. Best combo I've found without tearing into the engine.
Do they not make this engine anymore
I have two Tillotson engines from gopowersports and neither came with that linkage.
What size is the clutch
Does the 10% off code for GPS no longer work?
JaniceWalker was wondering the same thing.. it says code disabled
Andrew Boyle in usually like to support RBG. I spent $700 not long ago and used their coupon code and said I was referred by them. I received no response in regard to my post so I used the code DIYGOKARTS and said they referred me. Just did a $350 order this morning.
U should try and build a paraglider or paramotor that would be awesome
Dose the headlight still work with the tillotson on it
Only if you get the Electric start tillotson. It has a charging coil on it.
Try out a Xtreme Power US 212cc
That is a Lifan engine.
Can I use this engine for a pressure washer?
send415 if you can find one
3:15 "You just gotta.. think about your life for a minute."
These really don't look like they make much more power than a slightly modded 212......with all the variables like gearing, transmission type, tire diameter, rider/vehicle weight, it's very difficult to objectively support a claim of 12hp without doing a side by side drag race between 2 identical bikes, geared exactly the same with near identical total weights. I won't believe it makes anywhere near 12hp unless i see it curb stomp a stock 6hp 212 with the same exact bikes, rider weights, and gearing/clutches.
To the oval guys one of them will dyno this engine with a predator for a predator class not the spg predators. Just your predators with a .750 max O.D pipe. Stock airbox. Still dont think it would pass a predator class why because it's not a predator. You might get away with swapping a flywheel cover but if the tec guy catches that it's not a predator block well good luck running the engine lol.
The extra 2200 (governed) rpm surely helps that figure. Box stock Predator makes that 6.5 hp at 3600. This revs to 5800.
@@Maverick_Van_Traveller horsepower does not necessarily go up in a linear fashion with rpms. Horsepower is determined at a specific rpm.... all engines have an rpm after which power starts dropping off.
@@Maverick_Van_Traveller like brandon said below the rpm doesn't solely determine the hp. If this engine has a better flowing head with a cam profile that allows for that increase in flow to be used only then will it actually make more power. you could in theory setup a stock 212 predator with the governor system from this engine (5800rpm) but I promise it will be way out of its efficiency range for the cam. the head will flow enough air but the cam wont allow it to. it will make slightly more power but it won't have a nice torque curve at all. and if you put a load on it it also will likely drop back down to around 4500-5000. I'll bet thats where a stock predator cam runs out of steam. just my .02
Yeah, if it says 12 HP, it should be 12 HP out of the box and shove a properly geared minibike 70 - 75 MPH...
So is the stock rod and flywheel going to live long term in this motor with the 5800 rpm?
It doesn't have a stock flywheel
when will these engine be for sale or where can I pick it up
Ec carburetors... Just got my 212r mkll in the mail, cant wait to bolt it on my btx
$265 after shipping n tax to NY