Tadej Pogacar Scary Climbing Performance on Col d'Eze | Paris-Nice 2023 Stage 8
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- Lanterne Rouge presents highlights of Stage 8 of the Paris Nice 2023.
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Pog is so strong in these cooler temp, early year races. The heat seems to impact him quite a bit so it’ll be interesting to see how the weather is for this year’s TdF.
"can't you just gift us a win" - the peloton
"get gud" - the Slovenians
“Wanna win? Go to tour of Poland or something” - the Slovenians probably
It's 2023, did nobody tell DdlC that sport isn't about the winning, it's the taking part that counts.
get a Slovenian Doctor.
@@Blaz-l9k re-visiting this a year later and the slovenians took Poland too!
If I was Jumbo, I would have a lot more concern about going to the TDF without a dual leader strategy after this week. Sure Vingegaard will come in better shape than now, but without Roglic the advantage is much less
It is just hard to defend that. Jonas is the reigning champion, he should not have to share his captain role with anybody - and Roglic will not ride as a domestique. There is no doubt that Pogacar is the favourite. He was the favourite before Paris-Nice too. Jonas had the weaker team this time. In Tour de France, he will have Wout and the best riders in Jumbo-Visma at his disposal. Jonas favours hot weather and long races over multiple weeks. That is his speciality. I would not be too worried yet. But it is obvious that Jonas and TJV have to play it perfectly if they want to win the Tour. Pogacar is above everyone else and I think the loss to Jonas has only motivated him to work harder.
@@Soli11 I agree, extremely hard to sell to both Primoz and Jonas the dual leadership plan with JV the former winner and PR wanting to hunt GTs. It does concern me that one of the big reasons Pogacar detonated on Granon was reacting to the Roglic attacks and then you’re choosing to remove that option via team selections. Vingegaard still amazing on long climbs and has the best team so certainly has a chance to win.
@@willgraver770 I do not think they chose to remove it. I just think they realised there is no way to sell the strategy to Vingegaard and Roglic as you said yourself. In all honesty, that strategy only worked last year because Roglic got injured early on. If he had been at full health, Roglic and Vingegaard would have ended up competing with each other as well and likely this would have been enough of a distraction that Pogacar would have snatched back the yellow jersey. There is no doubt that Pogacar has all the odds in his favour to win the Tour. UAE has even beefed up their team this year and the teams are close to equal. It is strange when the defending champion is not the favourite to win, but I am sure Jonas and Jumbo will give it their all and then they will see where they end up. Jonas is a fighter. It was recently revealed that Vingegaard actually ended up with a pretty significant hip injury on stage 15 of the TdF, but they told no one because they did not want UAE to see a chance of attacking. Jonas managed to fight his way back, so he was not even at his top game for the last part of the Tour. We can only hope that the competition between Pogacar and Jonas will be good and close.
People forget that Roglič won tour for Jonas also not taking anything away from Jonas top 5 or top 3 rider in the world right now, but without roglič I doubt Jonas can do anything against Pog
@D R It is very hard to find a team to support him due to his riding style...
He looks amazing, Will be interesting to see what his plan for MSR is.
I never thought I would see Jonas win a sprint
U should watch more cycling, lmao
@@telmolicious Ok when was the last time Jonas won a flat sprint then?
@@manutavano it was a 4 rider sprint after a day of climbing, there’s not many similar situations
Jonas has a decent sprint though, it's just that he's always with Pog so it looks worse than it is
Jonas has a good Sprint. He's just alone with Pog most of the time and there are not many if any winning that.
Mostly dependent on whether Pog can maintain fitness peak through the summer for TdF. He's looking incredible at the moment
@@paddymurphy-oconnor8255 Yep. He probably wants to peak in the classics, then do altitude training and then peak again at the Tour.
He’ll just up his drug dosage for tdf
@@loc9588 it doesn't work like that unfortunatly.
@@drym3943 I would be shocked if pogacar isn’t doping
@@loc9588 Tbh, I would be shocked if a majority of riders at a grand tour aren't doped
At this stage of his career, he's the best rider since Merckx. He's like the Cannibal in the sense he wants everything. Great to see
When Pogacar cracked in last year's TdF, it was a combination of Vingegaard and the weather that did him in. If it stays cool in the mountains, it's Pogacar's race to lose; if it heats. up, lots can happen.
It’s usually hot in southern france in the summer.
@@frankburn6312 Not like last year though.
no, it was combination wva, roglic and vingegaard. attacking pogi
Paris Nice 2023 does not mean "its over" yet. This about approach/periodisation & a peak performance.... if we accept Tadej is the most naturally talented cyclist on the planet.
In 2022, Jumbo's Pre tour training camp saw Vingegaard gain 2-3% in performance on aerobic power and he was able to shift sufficient lactate to recover from Pogs attacks. Jonas performance on Hautacaum was extrodinary close to Riis 1996 absolute best. That day Jonas climbed late in a three week race at a level that Pogacar or Bernal are yet to hit. That should not be overlooked! However, due to Stage 11, Jonas was able to ride very defensively/ just following Tadej after his errors on stage 11. I'd be shocked if that approach alone is allowed to bring him succes in Le Tour 2023.
Jumbos strategy to beat Pogacar must be built on Vingegaard gaining 30-40 secs over Pog on Puy de Dome & Col de la Loze. This will nullify the bonus seconds he loses elsewhere and give him advantage. However, Tadej is smart both instinctively and strategically. If he is ahead before the longer climbs I think he will repay Jonas for 2022 wheel sucking and race more conservatively on those stages sitting on the wheel forcing Jonas to lead. I also think Mcnulty will be a telling positive aide to Pogacar providing all arrive fit and healthy. The TT will be +/- secs either way. Therefore finding anything else for Jonas will be key if Jumbo and their strategy advisors wish to replicate the coup of 2022 IMO... be really interested in other views.
One other thought/consideration.... thats not be talked about much...what if Pogacar adjusts his approach altitude camps (nb he's not yet gone to altitude in pre season 2023) and is prepared to sacrifices some absolute wattage in June/July to enable his long climb ability to improve by a small margin.... that could be very interesting. Tough times for Jonas?
If Jonas can beat Tadej on the 2023 Parcours it'll be a phenomenal performance and a great drama to watch. If Jonas can't then conversations will understandably turn to, "Pog the modern goat" and a 'hope' that Evenpoels introduction in 2024 brings a tri- interest to cycling's centre peice...
Really interested in other views regardless of whether your backing Tadej or Jonas!
Excellent analysis 👏! I agree! Brandon McNulty will be very helpful for Tadej Pocacar. Interesting to see if Primo and Jonas start the tour.
Pog also needs a strong team around him. JV tends to have that covered. Pog weathered and initiated a lot of moves in the TDF last year but needed the stronger team around him for support in key moments. (Both riders are incredible talents so I’ll be happy if either wins but Pog is currently my favourite)
If UAE team wasn't decimated by COVID last year Pog would win.
I think weather is going to play a bigger role here. Jonas is 5kg lighter than Pog and seems to do better in the heat.
Worth remembering the 2021 tdf, where we saw the first signs that JV could(and later would) challenge Pog. I seem to remember that Jonas in fact was the stronger rider past stage 12(?), and really startet shining after Primoz crashed out? Anyway, looking so much forward to this duel in the future. Hope Evenepoel joins in, but I dont see it, as for now :)
I think TJV has to bring both Jonas and Roglic to TDF if they want to dethrone Pog from a all but certain yellow jersey at the tour. Basically , they have to do again what they did last year and hope that one of them ( either Jonas or Roglic) can be sacrificed for the other. I am sure neither of them would agree to such a role but I see no other way Pog can be shaken.
Jonas without Wout and Rogla isnt The Same.
Yeah, Tadej is just.... Idk man, it's next level stuff. He's riding with THE BEST and leaving them behind...
TDF is a long time away, Vingegaard is clearly not in top form, Gaudu was almost 14 min slower last year in the TdF, clearly if Vingegaard was in a better form he would at least beat him.
Why does everyone forget that Tadej has to be in his best form (or very close tà) if he wants to win San Remo and Flanders?! Remember, Vingegaards only wants to win the TdF!
I picture the directors at Jumbo secretly hoping for a minor mishap to Roglic early in the Giro so they could send him to TdF.
Roglich is crap in tour de France
Well, at least the speculation about who between Pog and Jonas was in better form coming in to Paris Nice has been put to rest.
Love this guy! Still humble when he's destroyed the field! What a machine!
Pog is so fun to watch. I love that all he cares about is winning. I know he races at a high level year round but I worry about him being able to hold this form all the way until July.
I don't think you should be worried about him. Did you see him last year at the TdF? Demolishing elite riders and making climbing stages look easy.
Merckx did for 10 years. And he raced the six day circuit in winter!
This is what he needed after being dropped by Jonas last year.It's a psychological win.
@@ravenmad9225 He was dropped due mainly to high temperature. We will see if that same combination occurs this year.
Pog is a beast…he will be fine
Top job as always sir. Really enjoyed your coverage throughout. I'll tell you one thing, it's all a far cry from the late 80's when we'd get an inch by four inches of daily standings in the back pages of the Sports section in the local paper and then Winning magazine a month later.
Booyah! Pog on fire, just riding away
Doesn’t change anything for this year’s Tour. Jonas was miles off Pogi last year in Tirreno, same this year. I reckon Jonas can get in mutant shape for a good month, whereas Pogi can hold his shape for the whole year round.
So still too early to draw any conclusions (Jonas wasn’t that good during Basque Country either), not until Romandie/Dauphiné
Pog has even better team this year I would say much better then last year and also there will be no Roglič and without Roglič there is no hope for Jumbo
Haha Scandinavians coping already
@@n.m4497 The username „Welshdragon“ indicates he isn’t Scandinavian.
Last year, TJV couldn't have cracked Pogi on the Granon stage without Rogla and Jonas teaming up on him, so unless they're willing to scrub Rogla's plans for the Giro they're gonna have a hard time keeping up. Especially because the UAE squad picked up a handful of very strong mountain domestiques for this season.
@@ktakashismith Yep like I have said UAE is looking much better then last year a big upgrade. Roglič is gone do Giro and Vuelta except if there would be a good deal for him to go for GC, but then again Jonas is defending title so that is out of the window.
I have NBC Sports through Peacock, however, I would consider switching to GCN plus if Lanterne Rogue gave live commentary. 😊
Whats scary for TdF is no just the level that Pogacar is showing, but also he wont make the same mistakes. He(or someone on his team) said that he doesnt eat and drink properly in high heat, which I think they will change and UAE is probably gonna field a much stronger team, which can tactically keep up with whatever TJV throws at you. And people forget this year UAE can also do the 1-2 tactics with Pog,Yates or it they take Ayuso
What is with Ayuso? Such a strong rider .Not heard anything about him this year
@@stefankucera9224 Tendon injury apparently, will start in tour de suisse.
Vingegaard didn't even try to go with Pogacar. He knew he didn't have a chance. Securing second place was reasonable.
For short mountains, Pogacar is the best in the world. But the Tour has very long mountains and Pogacar will have problems against Vingegaard. That was also the case last year. Pogacar always had to use time bonuses on the short climbs because he knew he would lose time against Vingegaard on the big climb.
Can't wait for the tour let's gooo!
Kudos to POGS...
special thanks to LR...for spreading the cycling race.
Thank you. Always great synopsis.
Gracias from Spain!!!
They just got Pog'd didn't they? Nothing more to say from the man with 55 wins in 5 seasons. Incredible rider.
purchased a GCN plus pass with your discount, very pleased with the service.
A lot can happen between now and TDF, but this was definitely a shot across the bow.
It's like he's a different species than the rest.
exactly . . . DOPE
His legs.... he looks and is so powerfull, its just steady sustainable pace to him. Similar power only WvA and MvdP come to mind, but even WvA cant really do this, cant win the tour, pog can, by himself if need be it seems. Fantastic
@@KleineJoop If you think Pogacar won this race singlehandedly, you don't understand cycling beyond GCN highlights. Team UAE put in work for him this week, Pogi didn't crush that TTT by himself, and it wasn't Pogi strining the whole peloton out at the base of Col d'Eze.
@@ktakashismith Yes of course, yet theyre not interesting.
Briliant pogi...needs to grab TDF this time..let's see
OMG , Lance is back.
Pog’s in a different league. You’ll only beat him with a 2 prong attack at a Grand Tour (no, not you Ineos)
Send Rog to the TdF
dont think it means too much. for the tour. Most riders choose peaks for the season and jonas will peak for july when he needs to peak. Pog is just Pog i guess and peaks a year round
Last year UAE left Pog to do a lot of heavy lifting himself (COVID and whatever else impacted them) for a lot of stages, meanwhile WVA carried TJV and Jonas in a big way. If the rest of UAE pull their weight this year then I don't see how anyone else gets a look in.
Will there be a race recap of the 2023 Strade Bianche?
Don't discard Vingegaard, the TdF is 3 weeks long, and last year Pogacar was dominating week one.
UAEs team in general is way better then last year.. with the switch to enve and shimano i think Pog is going to destroy everyone in the tour.
You speak about Jorgenson staying up with all those light guys here and also on Tour of Oman you said the same thing. It may be shocking but this guy, Matteo is 65kg according to internet whilst being 1.90m tall. So in fact he is lighter than Pog for example. I was kinda shocked when I acknowledged that
no way Matteo Jorgenson is 65 kg.
@@bevillenz why not? When I was in a peak (amateur cycling) performance I was around 69/70kg being 1,93 and I still didn't look as skinny as them so I guess 1,90/65 is possible. Cycling long distances/climbing doesn't get you a lot of muscle mass too
I have a feeling this climb will be featured as B-roll for TP's Oprah interview 😂
Pogacar is insane man.
Pog's english has improved drastically... I recall Tour of California where he was struggling at interviews.
Slovenia is main force in cycling!
Slovenia DOPE is MAIN force in cycling
@@savagepro9060 Michael Rassmusen, Bjarne Riis, Jonas Rassmusen Vingegaard all danish dopers on Tour The France.
Yes you got 2 riders👍🏻
My God. Doesn't bode well for an interesting race in July! What a rider.
great commentary as always - and nice mention of 'one week race' - so the Tour isn't a cert, as if it is anyway
The reason vingegaard won tdf last year, was because jumbo made a great plan to worn out pogacar, and they obviusly dosent have the possibility to do that in a 8 day race, with that being said tho, i do think that it should be concerning for vingegaard and co. to see Pogacar in should well form. It will for sure be an intressting battle, also with UAE, probably learning from their mistakes from last year
Are Pogs’ bars a tiny bit flared in the drops?
Keep up the good work!
That joke about the maths was pure class 😂
One week vs three week races are VERY different. Jonas is the king of long alpine climbs, whereas Pog is stronger on these sort of punchy climbs. I don't think we can judge how this race informs TDF right now. Pog certainly looks strong, but Jonas won't be near his peak yet given this is really pre-season racing.
We need Padun to at least win a stage or two from break.
Could be early season for Vingegaard, don’t count him out. Pogacar is on fire.
Stating the obvious but a 1 week stage race is not a Grand Tour. A lot can and does happen over 3 weeks and it all typically happens in the third week. It will be a mighty battle between Pog, Jonas and Roglic plus maybe one or two others sneaking in to the top 3 but I cant wait.
Pog is beast mode, if he keep it the tour is over
Unbelievable
That last climb is extremely hard. The Chemin du Vinaigrier. I did the sportif the day before.
Some people were walking in parts. I had to zig-zag bits of it.
Going to watch E.T. now
It's hard to say what that will mean for TdF. July is 3 1/2 months away, even a few years ago most people would say Pog has peaked too early.....
slovenian domination, crazy time to be alive :D
Jumbo Visma is going to have to use all their stars to pummel Pogacar again and Pogacar hopefully has learned more tactics than using his strength to break his opponents and hopefully there will be other surprises that come along in the Tour....
The New Cannibal!!
How did you find out Pogi's W/kg from today's climb? It's hidden from Strava.
They calculate a (good) estimated using many data points like length of climb, steepness, wind, how much a rider paced upfront, speed, ...
Is it a deliberate decision by Vingegaard to not be at his best level in the spring? Is he doing something differently from Pogacar that allows him to reach a higher peak level in July?
Traditionally this is the best guess.
Why no analysis of Strada @ lanterne
Pog is obviously the most gifted rider in the world - perhaps ever - but Vingegaard on top form is also an absolute beast and likely a smarter rider, so I think the TDF is very much up for grabs. One bad day is all it takes.
Jonas just has to enter his villain arc and add a good 10-15 pounds no lie
great preparation by Felix Großschartner
🤡
Thanks guys for the highlights and excellent analysis as always. My thoughts for the Tour de France are based on pure self-preservation. I'll be watching for the sprints and breakaways like last year. Too much alien DNA in the GC. Just my humble opinion and no need for the haters to get on my case. I've been cycling and supporting cycling for over 30 years. Plenty to enjoy without worrying about the overall. Cheers guys!
Jonas and Jumbo playing some 4d chess and gonna come into TDF firing on all cylinders to defend his title.
Give me Pog for the win anyway.
Roglic vs Pog at the tour this year... if roglic can stay on his bike it could be a good show
Pogacar Vs Remcom that two i want to battle.
One of the best cyclists ever. He lives and breathes riding it seems. He must also train more i guess, why not ride all the time when you can, with the girlfriend, slower pace lot of volume is the best training. The best life, i dont have as much time and good weather to ride, but really there is little i enjoy more. Nothing better for body and mind
this years tour suits poc much more than jonas. jonas won by dropping poc on two super long climbs. This years tour is laking of such mountain top finishes. Without any crash or mechanical poc could win this tour by only taking bonusseconds bc he has the superior sprint
Pog has always been the strongest even in last years tour. The difference is the TEAM
I understand from the video engagement the end question but at the same time i think is "unfair" wanting to see if in TdF pog will be good to fight/win with Jonas, why don't appreciate the fact that he is winning different types of races during the full season, and still be the favorite to win the TdF ?
Jonas "only" won the TdF las year, but was in a nuclear form there ... and pog still gave him fight...
Two different type of riders, and different objectives during the season ... and two completly different teams in managment and goals ... (seems like jumbo manages riders, uae only pay riders to ride whatever they want)
Great race for Jorgensen. Top 10, and just a few seconds and he would have finished two places higher
With Pogs performance like that, outpacing other top level riders, makes me think they've discovered another undetectable performance enhancing drug!
col d’eze nuts
Tadej Pogacar my be peeking to soon,
Pogacar could enter the Kentucky Derby and win against thoroughbred racehorses. He is exceptionally tuned for success.
For Pogacar this race was about hurting mentally Vingegard. Still, I think he is too on form right now, meanwhile Vingegard will build his form towards Le Tour.
What this means for the TdF? Wout van Aert taking a turn 😂
Pog looking for revenge. This is scary...
It means absolutely nothing. There is so much time between those races that anything could happen. All Vingegaard needs to do is just pick him apart in the mountains. I think Pog has shown his power but day after day of keeping up will more than likely wear him down.
Form changes as the year goes on , but then again I am sure they know how to handle Pogacar form at uae
IMO, Vingegaard had every intention of dodging head-to-head competition with Pogecar until the TdF.
Well he attacked Pogi, he wanted to win a stage with the longest climb even got his team controlling the race , but when Pogi beat him he said : Doesn't matter, it's not TDF 😂
Big watts by Pog.
He is a long way from Sean Kelly as far as Paris- Nice is concerned. But it's fantastic to watch a professional at the top of his game work a race this way! His WAY
He's ridden it ONE time. ONE time. Not a bold statement.
Really important to remember that Pogacar was winning for the first part of the TdF last year, then Jonas beat him.
No one man can beat Pogi. It will take a stacked team to win against him, just like Le Tour last year
That’s what JV will have.
@@frankburn6312 true. But UAE has improved their team and hopefully Covid won’t wipe them out this time
How the people can be so sure about Jonas being in top condition in July and almost give 100 % guarantee he will be stronger than ever?
A Jumbo-Visma vai ter que levar os 30 atletas pro Tour de France pra tentar parar o monstro Pogacar...
He doesn't need altitude trainings in Tenerife. Guidance by Mauro Gianetti and dr. San Millan is more than enough.
💉💉💉
I guess new wheels and a group-set and most importantly the old coach will be enough to win TDF. At this level every gram matters. I remembered in 2021 he got drop from JV and next day he took his rim brake bike and smoked him.
Jonas still waiting for Jumbo-Juice to kick in it seems.
While Gianetti's Pogacar Porridge is available all year round
Pog and Jonas are almost equal, difference will come out on who has the better team. Just like what happened in the TdF last year, Jonas had the better team. Let’s see what happens this year.
I know people are talking about Jonas not being on form, but Pogi is not on top form either.
His base level is just that high compared to other riders. Odds are very much in his favour for the tour with good tactics.
Make no mistake, he hasn’t peaked yet.
This was one of the best performances of his career though. Question is, how much can Pog really go over his base? So far it seems he has a really high base, but his peak doesn't seem much higher than that.
If you follow cycling just a bit, you would know, that Vingegaard is better on longer climbs, than Pogacar. Paris-Nice, is not like TDF. Almost just like a normal training day for VIngegaard for sure.
Will Jumbo Visma bring Roglic and Vingegaard to the tour?
If YES; Pog can be beaten again.
UAE is gonna roast everyone in the TdF
Back on the jungle jucie I see ;)
Pog could have taken on prime team sky by himself including the team time trails and still won
Probably could have taken on postal too thinking about it.
His goal next year win all 3 grand tours