Not sure if you're being serious, but Future Weapons was incredibly dumb. Even as a teenager back then I kept noticing incorrect statements and oversimplifications
@@Snarknado5Yeah the host back then would make the .22LR sound like something just short of a anti tank round with how he described everything. At least with Garand he will do it as a joke before laughing before dismissing the thought.
Not much different than light 308 loads. It only has a slight edge because of the 2piece cases handle more pressure. The 308 will eat less barrels and cost less to shoot.
I love that Micah keep rebelling with not putting in the edits when he calls for them lmao. Also, I agree with the other guy, bring back the "If you''ve ever... hit that subscribe button" intros!
Sig has continued to prove themselves as the leaders in innovative firearm technology. Everything they’ve been doing over the last 5-10 years has been super cool and innovative.
Can't wait until the XM7 just evolves into an overcomplicated, overpriced M4 with Sig's shitty QC. At least we're finally getting MLOK rails in the conventional army.
@@travelingspartan2035why would you want our weapon’s program to fail? Seems like you’re letting your hate for a private company overpower your love for your country, and that’s not cool.
I absolutely love how John completely glazed over the 22 YEARS he spent in the Army with 15 of those being with the Rangers lmao. He was like, "yeah I did some cool stuff. What about it?"
SimplexStorm : A real and true " Quiet Professional" , unlike His Counterpart, the " Noisy Amateur" , needs not to broadcast to each and every other Civilian Clothes - wearing Person what the Warfighter did in the US4CES ( United States Forces) .
For real. Guys like to say the only thing harder than getting to regiment is staying in regiment. And dude was there FIFTEEN YEARS? Seriously impressive.
Ill be using my Geissele Super duty 14.5 for a LONG LONG TIME. To me it really is the perfect fighting carbine. MOA-SUB MOA capable with multiple different loads, gassed beautifully and just simply bombproof With an RC2 mini, a good scope and an offset enclosed emitter red dot it is just an outstanding setup from 5-500yds it can just do it all. and very very well
A POF Revolution 16" would be around the same weight as that 9" Spear(~1884 ft-lb), and provides ~2480fps with 168gr GMMK(~2294 ft-lb). A normal 16" 308 would be way less concussive, no NFA BS, and you would be able to find ammo for that; it may not be the case for full house 6.8 tho. For a round designed to be more powerful than 308. Cutting it that short means all the lost ft-lb from the bullet adds into flash and sound.😨Sure suppressor can help, but that will really cook the suppressor along with the muzzle end of the barrel.
Obviously it's going to be a win for them to have a firearm featured on the channel and we are aware of this. This rifle is still very much a prototype but we love to report on potential future military technologies.
@@noonenoesbutme It's an AD for who? You can't purchase this firearm as a civilian so it's not really an advertisement. It's more so just a demonstration. And of course if offered the opportunity who wouldn't wanna shoot it on someone else's dime?
Today on garand thumb ?? Dude what happened to " if you ever.....hit that subscribe button, like and comment, comment section is outta control" I miss this
I also miss those intros. My fav was "If you've ever gotten a weekend safety brief in which you were told explicitly not to fight the locals... but you fought the locals anyway; go ahead and hit that subscribe button."
I can sense garand thumb going the way of idubbbz and I've become indifferent to him. Was subbed for like 2 years and now every video he releases completely fails to catch my attention.
Dude... That Dad advice at the end was choice! LOL I'm gonna take that to heart. Your grandmother would be proud that you just shared that with a million people on the internet.
Wow, he literally answered my question! I was wondering at the start of this video, since they have a new rifle, whether the Army would also field a new round that's bigger than the 5.56 for more kinetic energy, but smaller than the 7.62 to still have velocity! I think he mentioned the 6.8 round, which I've never heard of! Hopefully he speaks on it this video!
The magic of anabolic steroids. I however do not see it as something bad. Each and everyone of us has the magic thing called free will. If Mike likes it and it makes him feel better and he is ok with the side effects he made his choice. Millions of people smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol, they also made their choice. As long as you don't hurt somebody you can do pretty much whatever the fuck you want with this awesome thing called life and being alive. Enjoy the ride gents, it is not a fucking trial run haha.
Fun Fact: THE fully automatic flashbang launcher, the HK51 fires 7.62 NATO out of a ~8 inch barrel. Another fun fact: The Spear's suppressor not only serves to reduce the report of the rifle but also to prevent the operator from suffering a concussion. Magdumping the screamer Army ammo out of this perfectly average length rifle would probably give you a TBI.
The Garmin is supposed to be BEHIND the muzzle! 5-15" behind and or off to the side and it still picks up fine. I put a mount on my PRS rifle, and it just stays on the rifle and picks up every shot. There's also a diving board mount out there to mount it on the scope. It's Doppler radar. It take the velocity readings about 20 yards in front of the muzzle (couldn't get a reading any closer). You don't need to shoot over it like an old sky screen that measured timing between shadows.
This video is great - it also does a great job of showing how the 5.56 is still a great fighting round - it does make me wonder how the average Joe getting issued the XM7 will fair with recoil management when they already struggle with 5.56 recoil at times…
The shorty is for specops bros so don't think they'll have an issue. But I'm sure that they'll have standard non-hybrid cartridges for the regular army grunts that won't shoot so spicy.
I atypically run a 12.5 308, and the issue I run in to often is carrying as much ammo as my 11.5 556. The smaller capacity and larger space make the 556 so attractive for extended range sessions.
The fact we aren't allowed to see the shot pattern on the target, just shows how new this thing is. These guys have insane levels of privilege with weaponry and it's awesome.
@@bomaniiglooM4 came off had years of R&D to go off of. And decades of M16 experience onto on the m4. It's way more mature platform. Spear has only started to get into production from 2023.
@@LootGoblin432dude a 6.8x51 put of 9in barrel and have a constant velocity of 2700fps thats on average of a 16" 556 ar that's fucking insane and with the 6.8" shorty only lost 300fps compared to the 13". Imagine what a 18 or a 20" is capable of. The Spear doesn't fuck around and the 6.8 is literally a spear lives up to the name
@@Alien300Blackout maybe who knows, this 6.8x51 is really fucking deadly, if I was wearing level4 plates and some dude had a spear in 6.8x51 I'm just walking in the other direction lol
There is a new caliber named 6max that fits in a standard AR15 lower. It's not as powerful as 6.8x51 obviously but SOLGW tested a 10.5 with 55gr ammo and it was chrono'ing at 3,000fps+.
That's some crazy pressure and performance out of that sig. I'll be interested to see what the longevity end up being. That suppressor needs to be a beast.
@@jonathanpfeffer3716it honestly doesn’t matter. This thing is only gonna be in the hands of door kickers and special forces. The military can afford to replace the barrels a bit more often.
I can feel the concussion and weight and recoil all the way here. 6mm arc is the perfect round for a carbine. The Spear 277 can not be shot in squad with out a suppressor no way; its a super heavy system too; every one goes deaf with out suppressor on that 277 its a magnum round. A Spear LT in 6mm arc would be a perfect do it all gun with low recoil, low concussion, low weight hit out to 1000 meters and double the muzzel energy of 556 👌. 277 Spear is a perfect DMR for that roll it sounds perfect.
Damn, it’s been soo long since I last came on here. I miss you soo much The Great Garand Thumb, and also you’ve slightly added weight, I love that. Big love from Nigeria sir...🇳🇬
What an awesome channel. The videos and narratives are well done and informative. This seems like something on Discovery or History Channel. So glad I found you guys!
@@es4583 That’s my guess too. If military really is using a 22 grain heavier projectile with similar velocity, imagine how much more stout the recoil must be.
I am an old school SIG fan; P226, P228, P229. etc. I own a SIG716i Tread and love it. However, I am NOT all things a SIG fan. I am on the fence about the SIG Spear in general and the military's choice in specific.
I have the Spear 16" 308 and the Spear LT 11.5" 556, that rail deflection thing is real! Mine were both super noticeable, out of the boxes because SIG forgot to torque the screws. I could turn them with a bit and my fingers. Even torqued to 60/40, my LT fell over and rail deflection was visually noticeable and held. Had to loose screws to straighten it out so the barrel didn't look bent. I can't even imagine the force that steel tab on the rail that the takedown pin passes through, must be putting on the receiver when this happens. It acts like a giant prybar. I'm shocked the barrel clamp can handle the sudden impact and force. First time I had the issue I bought Arisaka ZRC's for both but honestly, I ended up just removing those and now I don't run rail screws on either, problem solved. I no lasers on the rails and my irons sit solely on the upper receiver. LT has Unity T2 mount with OMM coming soon. Once you understand the limitations and know how to work around them for your needs/wants, these are nice rifles. These are battle rifles, not DMR's!
Im gonna be honest, sig seems to be the only manufacturer constantly putting out new products and at least trying new stuff multiple times a year. Look at the scar series, it hasnt changed and when they did release a shorty it was a 7" 5.56 being nearly useless to many consumers at a still ungodly price tag, with no compatibility between other scar platforms.
I am so happy to be a part of this community (the guntuber-loving community, but specifically GT fan club). This comment section...i have NEVER seen a more positive, supportive, wholesome comment section on this platform, hell, ANY platform. The fact that Mike and the team have created something that brings together such a good group of people says so much about this channel and the contributors and I am so proud and impressed. This may be the best place on the Internet in 2024.
Just bought a 308 13" MCX Spear after watching this, will wait for the barrel change and go 277 fury. While many say it's a mistake as its heavier, more concussion and more ammunition weight, military is forward looking to our next near peer conflict which is brewing. The days of dominating unarmored enemy are coming to an end. Its gonna suck more hefting this around but if you are fighting well armed enemy with plates, you will want the advantage that this round brings to the table, especially the AP version.
I would like to see Garand Thumb do a review of the XM-8 platform that was created to replace the M4 in the 2000s. It seems like many people have forgotten that the weapon system existed. I would love to see the guys get their hands on a real one and run it through some tests for SCIENCE.
@@mobilegamersunite the military taught me how to take care of my rifle it’s pretty easy. Besides it is not like I have only one, only poors worry about lockup.
![The M4 vs M7 Sig Spear NGSW [feat. GBRS Group]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZZ3bbUw3skw/mqdefault.jpg)
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The shot with the dust on the ground was bad ass.
YES IT WAS!!!!!!! I was thinking the same thing.
Crazy loud 😮
I was thinking holy shit that's a lot of concussion as I watched that
Insane levels of concussion
Its like being on Arrakis..
The Garand Thumb channel is essentially Future Weapons (of the Discovery Channel) for modern day.
I can only hope to live up to his reputation
Not sure if you're being serious, but Future Weapons was incredibly dumb. Even as a teenager back then I kept noticing incorrect statements and oversimplifications
I actually confused it with Forgotten Weapons or a second there.
@@Snarknado5Yeah the host back then would make the .22LR sound like something just short of a anti tank round with how he described everything.
At least with Garand he will do it as a joke before laughing before dismissing the thought.
Rip Mack.
2700 fps out of a 9” barrel is wild with a bullet that heavy
You said it before me
Absurdly high chamber pressures that gun is going to break itself in a ridiculously short amount of time.
Not much different than light 308 loads. It only has a slight edge because of the 2piece cases handle more pressure. The 308 will eat less barrels and cost less to shoot.
@@jurpo6 and honestly i think a steel case .308 can do just as well.
Barrels arent actually expensive in the grand scheme of things. The ammo will basically always be the main cost
Love when GT says "well put a little video up right here" and there is never a little video put up right there
That’s been a thing for like 5 years with his channel I swear🤣🤣 it’s so often too I actually get surprised when there is a pop up
I'm not sure if that's because I have annotations turned off or it's just a meme 😆
All the time hahaha
I did get an ad just as he said that, though
Garand Thumb out here trying to convince us he’s not addicted to the MK18…
Sig money
🤣😂😂🤣😂😂😂 right!🤙🤙🤙
He's definitely addicted to *something*
@@Pohonesty Tren??😂
😅😅😅 #mk18life 🤫
I haven’t seen St. John since the 90’s. He probably don’t remember me but I remember him. I served with him in 3/75.
I hope he saw this
Nice try St. John
Which Company, I was A co 3/75. Arrived in '98
I should have watched the video first. I remember St. John, he and my Team Leader were best friends.
Dr. Robotnik being the sales guy for SIG is a great career move on his part.
Good move on Sig's part; no wonder they keep winning contracts. Dr. Robotnik just does the supervillain thing and bam, government contract.
gotta love the guy
Yea but how many did they have to fire to get him? Failure after failure of marketing teams.
I'm fucking dying bro that comment made my morning
😂😂😂😂
The top down shot showing the concussive blast disrupt the dirt below might be some of Micah's best work ever.
That was honestly was one of the coolest shots Ive seen on the channel.
Timestamp?
@@reanukeevesauaround 0.40 min
@@reanukeevesau :37
@@xXCigarXx thanks!
I love that Micah keep rebelling with not putting in the edits when he calls for them lmao. Also, I agree with the other guy, bring back the "If you''ve ever... hit that subscribe button" intros!
And the "often forgotten, but not by me: ... "
Sig: How overgassed do you want it?
DoD: Yes
Overgassed for reliability esp in adverse conditions, HK416 same concept.
You mean one o’clock ejection pattern is bad? Lol
They didn't want the AK vs AR comparison 😂
@@thejohnhend One o'clock? LOL, yeah, from a left handed set up receiver.
@@thejohnhend 6:19
Fun fact: the muzzle flash and boom are what kill you and not the bullet
Scares bad guys to death. lol
Hitscan guns in games be like:
Review 2nd verse of Rifleman’s Creed. It’s the hits that count.
Directed energy psyops.
and people say i'm crazy for not having a suppressor for home defense. big flash, big boom, it sends a message
Sig has continued to prove themselves as the leaders in innovative firearm technology. Everything they’ve been doing over the last 5-10 years has been super cool and innovative.
"We like your AR-10 Mr. Stoner, but can you make it lighter?" History repeats itself.
?
Uhh.. this is heavier.
Can't wait until the XM7 just evolves into an overcomplicated, overpriced M4 with Sig's shitty QC. At least we're finally getting MLOK rails in the conventional army.
@@travelingspartan2035why would you want our weapon’s program to fail? Seems like you’re letting your hate for a private company overpower your love for your country, and that’s not cool.
@@devendoffing7004 Please be sarcasm.
I absolutely love how John completely glazed over the 22 YEARS he spent in the Army with 15 of those being with the Rangers lmao. He was like, "yeah I did some cool stuff. What about it?"
A quite professional, something that used to be the norm in that particular field of work
SimplexStorm : A real and true " Quiet Professional" , unlike His Counterpart, the " Noisy Amateur" , needs not to broadcast to each and every other Civilian Clothes - wearing Person what the Warfighter did in the US4CES ( United States Forces) .
Quiet*@@albinoyak2755
For real. Guys like to say the only thing harder than getting to regiment is staying in regiment. And dude was there FIFTEEN YEARS? Seriously impressive.
He and Robbie Johnson dominated various sniper competitions.
Ill be using my Geissele Super duty 14.5 for a LONG LONG TIME. To me it really is the perfect fighting carbine. MOA-SUB MOA capable with multiple different loads, gassed beautifully and just simply bombproof
With an RC2 mini, a good scope and an offset enclosed emitter red dot it is just an outstanding setup from 5-500yds it can just do it all. and very very well
Wow a fully automatic flashbang
lol thankfully we have suppressors tho
HK51 Mk2
The smoke cloud coming out that thing makes it look like an automatic musket.
@@bandolierboy1908Seems like it was made from the ground up with supressors in mind like the normal Spear.
A POF Revolution 16" would be around the same weight as that 9" Spear(~1884 ft-lb), and provides ~2480fps with 168gr GMMK(~2294 ft-lb).
A normal 16" 308 would be way less concussive, no NFA BS, and you would be able to find ammo for that; it may not be the case for full house 6.8 tho.
For a round designed to be more powerful than 308. Cutting it that short means all the lost ft-lb from the bullet adds into flash and sound.😨Sure suppressor can help, but that will really cook the suppressor along with the muzzle end of the barrel.
that rate of fire is nutty, also love the quick pan to the SIG guys just hanging out off camera
5 years from now and millions of dollars later the new 556 cartridge will be the gold standard .
No. Not enough power for modern armour.
"Real talk, I like chonky gun, small stock!" Micah you're a gem mate
St. John has a majestic mustache and an excellent skull shape.
we shall raise a glass to his superb physiogonomy
Very dali
0:37 OMG that shot looks so badass, the DoF resembles the Trinity test footage with the dust blowing after the bomb hit. Noice!
I am amazed you got your hand on it so soon. Only a while ago they had the prototype on display at the AUSA expo...
Obviously it's going to be a win for them to have a firearm featured on the channel and we are aware of this. This rifle is still very much a prototype but we love to report on potential future military technologies.
@@GarandThumb THIS SHIT GONNA BE ABSOLUTELY INSTITUTIONALLY IMMORTALIZED.........THE NEW DEAL
Im not. This is an ad, not a review. What a shame.
@@noonenoesbutme It's an AD for who? You can't purchase this firearm as a civilian so it's not really an advertisement. It's more so just a demonstration.
And of course if offered the opportunity who wouldn't wanna shoot it on someone else's dime?
That subtle flex with the quad tubes in the intro hurt the most.
yea, I saw the thumbnail and said this fkn guy
🤣
His wife must have a sweet job.
Today on garand thumb ??
Dude what happened to " if you ever.....hit that subscribe button, like and comment, comment section is outta control"
I miss this
I also miss those intros.
My fav was "If you've ever gotten a weekend safety brief in which you were told explicitly not to fight the locals... but you fought the locals anyway; go ahead and hit that subscribe button."
@@Jackal19xor “If you ever duck walked in your underwear for an old man…”
@@Jackal19xthat's a good one lmao
I can sense garand thumb going the way of idubbbz and I've become indifferent to him. Was subbed for like 2 years and now every video he releases completely fails to catch my attention.
Back when he was hyper serious almost the entire time.
Sig: Would you like a side of concussive TBI and tinnitus with your new mk18?
Army: Absolutely!
don’t worry. it’s not service connected
Sounds like the next class action next to 3m ear plugs
I love your videos Mike , great info and always a lot of fun , looking sharp all dreesed out ❤ awesome results❤
“Whatever the army decides to use it for”
My Brain: “Unga Bunga Noises intensify”
😆😆😆
Once again we return Return to monke
To defeat (civilian) body armor lol
*Neuron Activation x90,000,000*
edit : 90 million, felt like 90000000 would be hard to read
“Mine’s longer than yours”.
“Show me”.
“Yup. Your’s is longer. By 4 inches”.
Turning that loose in full auto would definitely be riding the lightning for some. Thats a lot of bang in a small package.
Must say I like this video a lot. Cool and not so goofy intro, great information and cool shots in the rest of the video. Loved it!
"And you have a lil bit of military experience" - and that stare in the camera made me chuckle :D
Dude... That Dad advice at the end was choice! LOL I'm gonna take that to heart. Your grandmother would be proud that you just shared that with a million people on the internet.
Guys having fun...always pleasant to see 😊
That shot from above with the dirt moving from the concussion is just 👨🍳 🤌🏻
“Taxidermy Tattoos and Tiddies” 😂 Thank you St. Grandma!
Grantham.
*tattoos
not taxes
@@stefthorman8548 corrected it good lookin out
St garandma
Meh..So many missed opportunities for success in this comment..
Just all the work and dedication.
Thank you so much for all you do!
The chinstrap buckle up was such a power move 😂
Best intro montage in quite a while
thanks man
the best intro to a video i have watched yet, epic is an understatement
I absolutely love the dynamic between GT and St.John...very entertaining and informative.i really enjoyed this content.
28:57 Grandma St John is a legend
I would add a 4th, toilet paper
Lol St. John is a fuggin legend for keepin it real like that. Hey, Truer words never spoken, that's for sure! Never go cheap on tits.
They are important.
Wow, he literally answered my question! I was wondering at the start of this video, since they have a new rifle, whether the Army would also field a new round that's bigger than the 5.56 for more kinetic energy, but smaller than the 7.62 to still have velocity! I think he mentioned the 6.8 round, which I've never heard of! Hopefully he speaks on it this video!
GT rockin some “sailor after deployment” forearms. Sheesh
Popeye
The magic of anabolic steroids. I however do not see it as something bad. Each and everyone of us has the magic thing called free will. If Mike likes it and it makes him feel better and he is ok with the side effects he made his choice. Millions of people smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol, they also made their choice. As long as you don't hurt somebody you can do pretty much whatever the fuck you want with this awesome thing called life and being alive. Enjoy the ride gents, it is not a fucking trial run haha.
he's a based Catholic
The power of Raw Milk
@@ProgressiveOverlordhas he mentioned this? Or are you just assuming
You guys should make a full on movie. The cinematography is excellent. Content is great. I wish there were longer intros.
Admin has hinted that they are. Admin is a complete film uber nerd, it's his second passion.
Didn’t they do a mini movie with Travis Haley hunting dinosaurs or something? 😂
Chris Bartocci summed it all up with this caliber and weapon. Small Arms Solutions guy.
Man, that's a satisfying little package. Hell of a decent velocity out of that 9" too
Always a great day when you have Jason St. John on the video!! Go Grandma advice, wife was rolling on that one!!!!
Just got my Spear LT yesterday. Absolutely beautiful!
“Upside-down McDonald’s logo” - also know as … a W 😂
WacDonalds
@@EmogetaWacArnolds
It’s like SIG looked at the HK51’s usage with the SAS and thought “yeah, we’ll definitely get contracts with this.”
Nah they probably look at the M4.
Am I the only one who loves how every single ejected casing follows the exact same flight path?
SIG reps .0005 seconds after the malf at 6:16 :
"It's a prototype"
Funny how the guntubers always receive the ones that malfunction...
Fun Fact: THE fully automatic flashbang launcher, the HK51 fires 7.62 NATO out of a ~8 inch barrel.
Another fun fact: The Spear's suppressor not only serves to reduce the report of the rifle but also to prevent the operator from suffering a concussion.
Magdumping the screamer Army ammo out of this perfectly average length rifle would probably give you a TBI.
The Garmin is supposed to be BEHIND the muzzle! 5-15" behind and or off to the side and it still picks up fine. I put a mount on my PRS rifle, and it just stays on the rifle and picks up every shot. There's also a diving board mount out there to mount it on the scope.
It's Doppler radar. It take the velocity readings about 20 yards in front of the muzzle (couldn't get a reading any closer). You don't need to shoot over it like an old sky screen that measured timing between shadows.
This video is great - it also does a great job of showing how the 5.56 is still a great fighting round - it does make me wonder how the average Joe getting issued the XM7 will fair with recoil management when they already struggle with 5.56 recoil at times…
The shorty is for specops bros so don't think they'll have an issue. But I'm sure that they'll have standard non-hybrid cartridges for the regular army grunts that won't shoot so spicy.
Struggling to write your name is when you run out of bullets
I just want to say man- Wearing the CAD/ US patch, shows a lot to us up north here bro. Appreciate you
It’s like St. John WANTS his hand to be in his pocket… but it’s barely ever gets there 😂
Beautiful gun. Love it.
13:41 real father and son moment, hard to hold back the freedom eagle's tears
I atypically run a 12.5 308, and the issue I run in to often is carrying as much ammo as my 11.5 556. The smaller capacity and larger space make the 556 so attractive for extended range sessions.
Love the canadian/USA patch man much love from up here in the north!
The fact we aren't allowed to see the shot pattern on the target, just shows how new this thing is.
These guys have insane levels of privilege with weaponry and it's awesome.
I was debating on if it was blurred or if I need glasses.
Lmao what. It’s just going to be holes in paper. There’s nothing innovative about a short battle rifle
Because it's still mogged by the m4
@@bomaniiglooM4 came off had years of R&D to go off of. And decades of M16 experience onto on the m4. It's way more mature platform. Spear has only started to get into production from 2023.
what are you talking about? not trying to sound rude. but i can't find what youre talking about.
“Where we’re going, we don’t need velocity”
4:48 Well shit, I stand corrected, .277 doesn’t fuck around.
.277 out of a 9” barrel clappin 5.56 out of a 10.5” across the board
@@LootGoblin432dude a 6.8x51 put of 9in barrel and have a constant velocity of 2700fps thats on average of a 16" 556 ar that's fucking insane and with the 6.8" shorty only lost 300fps compared to the 13". Imagine what a 18 or a 20" is capable of. The Spear doesn't fuck around and the 6.8 is literally a spear lives up to the name
I’m sure it could also chew up 12 inch block like nobody’s business
@@Alien300Blackout maybe who knows, this 6.8x51 is really fucking deadly, if I was wearing level4 plates and some dude had a spear in 6.8x51 I'm just walking in the other direction lol
There is a new caliber named 6max that fits in a standard AR15 lower. It's not as powerful as 6.8x51 obviously but SOLGW tested a 10.5 with 55gr ammo and it was chrono'ing at 3,000fps+.
I appreciate the honesty about flaws. The more people who. operate like THAT at home, the fewer soldiers DIE on the battlefield. Plain and simple . 🙂👍
Steel cased 110gr 308 out of the shorty AR 10 for the Spear Assaulter we have at home.
This looks sick. Haven't seen you wear a battle belt in a while.
Please do a review of your updated battle belt 😎
lots of lumbar and spine issues from my military injury but it's getting stabilized so I'm getting more bold.
@@GarandThumbi got mine lifting heavy shit, yours sounds way cooler lmao
Injuries and getting old suck. I hope you get better and don't reinjure yourself.
I appreciate the footage without suppressors. The noise is half the fun 🤙
Appreciate the patch on your chest. 🇺🇸🇨🇦 🤘
THE UNITED STATES MILITARY - a subsidiary of SIG.
Yeah, I wonder how much Stock certain Congress Critters and Military and Executive Branch Folks are receiving to purchase Sig Weapons.
As opposed to being a subsidiary of Colt for 150 years
I'm waiting to see what general is going to be on their consultation payroll after retirement
@@mghegotagun probably be hard to tell even then wait 20+ yrs
everyone else since forever: AKs
NATO: overpriced untested prototypes that are almost never adopted (but paid for by taxes so it's ok)
I would just like to point out the production quality of the video and how excellent it looks in general
That's some crazy pressure and performance out of that sig. I'll be interested to see what the longevity end up being. That suppressor needs to be a beast.
Sig claims a 10k round barrel life, which is absolutely insane.
@@jonathanpfeffer3716it honestly doesn’t matter. This thing is only gonna be in the hands of door kickers and special forces. The military can afford to replace the barrels a bit more often.
I can feel the concussion and weight and recoil all the way here. 6mm arc is the perfect round for a carbine. The Spear 277 can not be shot in squad with out a suppressor no way; its a super heavy system too; every one goes deaf with out suppressor on that 277 its a magnum round. A Spear LT in 6mm arc would be a perfect do it all gun with low recoil, low concussion, low weight hit out to 1000 meters and double the muzzel energy of 556 👌. 277 Spear is a perfect DMR for that roll it sounds perfect.
The problem is the mcx platform isn’t very accurate . Will 4-6 MOA get you reliable hits that far out ?
@@scottkimball9169from what I read, combined with the 277 it is a 10’ group at 600 yards. Which is kind of perfect
@@scottkimball9169I mean military M4’s are what? 4.5 MOA lol?
Thanks so much to St. John for coming to this great channel again and your last grandma quotes just got me right away hahaha.
Damn, it’s been soo long since I last came on here.
I miss you soo much The Great Garand Thumb, and also you’ve slightly added weight, I love that.
Big love from Nigeria sir...🇳🇬
So nice of Mike to invite Dr. Robotnik on his channel
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The new era of Future Weapons! RIP Mac. 💯🕊
What an awesome channel. The videos and narratives are well done and informative. This seems like something on Discovery or History Channel. So glad I found you guys!
Your videos never disappoint me, Mr Thumb. Semper fi.
I see the trend of circumsizing the barrel to cut the legs off of velocity is alive and kicking.
9" bbl. ,+2700fps with 113 Grns, in a tool you can enter a door with....that's a devastating room broom.
Very impressive weapon ! I hope to get the Spear soon ! Good job explaining the system !
That is crazy velocity for a 9" holy shit lol im assuming those are the steel base? And good on sig for being honest on the barrel flex
@GarandThumb Are you sure it’s a 113 grain bullet? The US military adopted a 135 grain round with the same ballistics you quoted.
It's 135.
This probably isn't the US military bullet.
@@es4583 That’s my guess too. If military really is using a 22 grain heavier projectile with similar velocity, imagine how much more stout the recoil must be.
Your intros are 🔥 the M1A is my favorite, and the HCAR you are epic Butt we need a little more Charlie for the hilarity!!
Another fantastic video! This new round and platform is gonna be a game changer.
oh god they named it the assaulter. Now congress will never let me get one
Really enjoyed this video,
don't know why but I felt it was a classic Garand Thumb!
I am an old school SIG fan; P226, P228, P229. etc. I own a SIG716i Tread and love it. However, I am NOT all things a SIG fan. I am on the fence about the SIG Spear in general and the military's choice in specific.
716i owner checking in, love mine
My Spear LT is my favorite gun!
@@decline1822 That's awesome. I think it's a good rifle.
556 classic and SP 2022 here. 🫡
Sig really digging deep into the army’s heritage for these new names, Assaulter is really fitting
I have the Spear 16" 308 and the Spear LT 11.5" 556, that rail deflection thing is real!
Mine were both super noticeable, out of the boxes because SIG forgot to torque the screws. I could turn them with a bit and my fingers. Even torqued to 60/40, my LT fell over and rail deflection was visually noticeable and held. Had to loose screws to straighten it out so the barrel didn't look bent.
I can't even imagine the force that steel tab on the rail that the takedown pin passes through, must be putting on the receiver when this happens. It acts like a giant prybar. I'm shocked the barrel clamp can handle the sudden impact and force. First time I had the issue I bought Arisaka ZRC's for both but honestly, I ended up just removing those and now I don't run rail screws on either, problem solved. I no lasers on the rails and my irons sit solely on the upper receiver. LT has Unity T2 mount with OMM coming soon.
Once you understand the limitations and know how to work around them for your needs/wants, these are nice rifles. These are battle rifles, not DMR's!
Im gonna be honest, sig seems to be the only manufacturer constantly putting out new products and at least trying new stuff multiple times a year. Look at the scar series, it hasnt changed and when they did release a shorty it was a 7" 5.56 being nearly useless to many consumers at a still ungodly price tag, with no compatibility between other scar platforms.
I am so happy to be a part of this community (the guntuber-loving community, but specifically GT fan club). This comment section...i have NEVER seen a more positive, supportive, wholesome comment section on this platform, hell, ANY platform. The fact that Mike and the team have created something that brings together such a good group of people says so much about this channel and the contributors and I am so proud and impressed. This may be the best place on the Internet in 2024.
It took us a lot of time and being very very out of control to get to this point
Just bought a 308 13" MCX Spear after watching this, will wait for the barrel change and go 277 fury. While many say it's a mistake as its heavier, more concussion and more ammunition weight, military is forward looking to our next near peer conflict which is brewing. The days of dominating unarmored enemy are coming to an end. Its gonna suck more hefting this around but if you are fighting well armed enemy with plates, you will want the advantage that this round brings to the table, especially the AP version.
I would like to see Garand Thumb do a review of the XM-8 platform that was created to replace the M4 in the 2000s. It seems like many people have forgotten that the weapon system existed. I would love to see the guys get their hands on a real one and run it through some tests for SCIENCE.
When St. John hears “fix bayonets!” He just turns his mustache to the front.
Big brother not even fielded yet and they already chopped it. Awesome
Sorry, Canadian guy here. That half US half Canada patch on your chest rig is seriously cool!
I dig the vest patch, man
Y’all need to do the Long Range follow up to the AK vs M4. 1-6 maybe on both and try to stretch them out and compare.
X39 AK
13:41 most kino man in this whole video
Ill hang on to my DD MK18...the OG, with the best quadrail lockup to this day IMO. 🎉
Laughing with monolithic upper quad, best lockup is no lockup.
Laughs in monolithic forged 7075 LMT MRP 😂
No lockup is "no lockup" DD still did it the best IMO compared to any other non monolithic setup.
Btw, you say that until you damage your rail and want a new one...I'll stick with a good lockup
@@mobilegamersunite the military taught me how to take care of my rifle it’s pretty easy. Besides it is not like I have only one, only poors worry about lockup.
Loved all the information that john gave. Was really interesting. Cool that he’s really humble as well. 2700fps is wild on that barrel length 🤣🤦🏻♂️
cant wait till garand thumb gets a hand on brandon's finished ak-50 prototype
BROOOO AGREEED