Great job but you are wrong at 13:30 concerning excursion curve : If you want to reduce the 40Hz bump, then you should increase the attenuation curve from -10 to -13dB in this area (edit the other blue line). You are lucky the optimizer somehow managed to flatten those ripples (maybe a side effect of boosting that 20-30Hz hole). By the way, be careful, it is not recommended to boost that much low frequencies. You could damage your speakers and/or start hearing weird stuff. In this case, I would try moving things around and calibrate again, to see how this potential room mode evolves.
This might be something that got mixed up in the editing stage but the UK Trinnov distributor did review this video and verify it for us. Regardless, you're absolutely right about being careful not to boost too much, which I definitely highlight in this video. The point here was to guide you on how to make these adjustments should you want to experiment, but with caution! Completely agree! Thanks for the comment!
useful thanks - I'm shortly going to buy the Nova and use it in 2.1 configuration - It would be very helpful if there was a video on how to integrate a sub..
@@calib5 It’s so easy to do it’s almost self explanatory. There are two ways to do it depending on if you want to be able to bypass the sub with the Trinnov. If you run stereo into your sub and from there into your speakers, you can use the Trinnov exactly as I’ve set it up in this video. If you wish to run the sub on a separate output, you will need to purchase the 4-license Nova, and then specify an extra output in the “speakers” part of the configuration pages. Then proceed with the calibration as normal! If you have the La Remote, you can bypass the sub at the simple push of a button and it also restores the full range to the speakers when you do so.
First of all, thank you very much for posting this. Great tutorial. I had a question though. In the part where you adjust the upper excursion curve to flatten out that peak you have at 40 Hz, why are you using the upper curve and not the lower one. After all, you are adjusting the attenuation limit, not the boost limit. Cheers!
@@sxproaudiohi. But the attenuation curve is the lower blue curve. Raising the upper blue curve will increase the maximum boost the algorithm will consider. Since you want to increase the amount of attenuation, that should be done by dragging down the bottom blue line (which is the same as increasing the attenuation limit).
@@paboloish The Trinnov UK distributor watched and verified the video was all correct before going out. Regardless, if there are any such errors in future we’ll pay extra attention to such details and ensure nothing slips through!
I’m curious what your spectral decay looks like, which Trinnov doesn’t show. If you don’t have any treatment, most likely that’s where you will see issues. Really impressive results either way!
@@dougleydorite Really fair comment. In this room it really doesn’t matter; I’m just demonstrating concepts and principles here. I have a better room available for critical mixing which is nigh on perfect (spoiler alert: it will appear in certain product videos soon!)
does it just look like that or is your monitor a little too low? The midrange speaker on the PMC 6.2 should be at ear height. That's the center axis. 😉 Do you use ISO acoustic pucks under the speakers? They really make a difference, the low end is tighter and the mids are cleaner! I can only recommend these things 😉
As you can see in video, the Trinnov show the elevation on the left speaker to be -2 degrees, and the right speaker a tiny bit above zero degrees. This is about as level as you could hope for in real terms and is probably attributable to my mic stand not being completely straight/vertical. Besides, The actual acoustic centre of the speaker is between the mid-range and tweeter, a little higher than you're suggesting. I knew someone would spot that I had no speaker isolation under these. On this particular day of shooting I had to loan my ISO-PUCKS out so had none to hand, but thankfully it doesn't remotely harm the concept of the video.
@sxproaudio hey take a look at the description at PMC, it says that the central point for the height of the monitor on the 3-way speaker is the midrange speaker, which should be at ear height!😉 The way you do it is the same as with 2-way speakers!😉
@@mosermichael4404 I was actually thinking of the PMC 6 where the acoustic centre is indeed between the woofer and tweeter so you are indeed correct about the 6-2 in this regard! Apologies! Regardless, Trinnov says that the measured acoustic centre of the speaker is at between zero and two degrees from level; ie perfectly ear height - did you see that part in the video?
Hello, I saw that you have a 500 series Harrison preamp behind you. How is its performance? Is it worth buying? I am using Neumann MT 48 Interface. Are its preamps of higher quality? I'm torn between Harrison and Neve 1073 500 series. I'm curious about your opinion, thank you. :)
@@cubaseman1487 If you have a 500 series rack the Harrison Pre is a brilliant addition. It’s super smooth, really fat and warm and very much more “analog” sounding than you’ll get from any mic ore that comes built into an interface.
As the Trinnov has no wifi built-in, you need to connect it via ethernet to a router. I guess it's possible that some sort of wifi dongle may work, but I haven't tried that so cannot verify that as a solution.
Trinnov should have a link to this video in their manual. Valuable information for anyone who has bought one.
Great job but you are wrong at 13:30 concerning excursion curve :
If you want to reduce the 40Hz bump, then you should increase the attenuation curve from -10 to -13dB in this area (edit the other blue line). You are lucky the optimizer somehow managed to flatten those ripples (maybe a side effect of boosting that 20-30Hz hole). By the way, be careful, it is not recommended to boost that much low frequencies. You could damage your speakers and/or start hearing weird stuff. In this case, I would try moving things around and calibrate again, to see how this potential room mode evolves.
This might be something that got mixed up in the editing stage but the UK Trinnov distributor did review this video and verify it for us. Regardless, you're absolutely right about being careful not to boost too much, which I definitely highlight in this video. The point here was to guide you on how to make these adjustments should you want to experiment, but with caution! Completely agree!
Thanks for the comment!
Great video! Nice one, Dale!
Thanks for this Video! We need more videos like this, as Trinnov's website is super vague on info.
Thank you. More videos are coming if people keep asking for them!
useful thanks - I'm shortly going to buy the Nova and use it in 2.1 configuration - It would be very helpful if there was a video on how to integrate a sub..
@@calib5 It’s so easy to do it’s almost self explanatory. There are two ways to do it depending on if you want to be able to bypass the sub with the Trinnov.
If you run stereo into your sub and from there into your speakers, you can use the Trinnov exactly as I’ve set it up in this video.
If you wish to run the sub on a separate output, you will need to purchase the 4-license Nova, and then specify an extra output in the “speakers” part of the configuration pages. Then proceed with the calibration as normal!
If you have the La Remote, you can bypass the sub at the simple push of a button and it also restores the full range to the speakers when you do so.
Would love to see this!
@@joeyf808 We have scheduled a video in for this :)
Awesome as always!
Thanks Dale from Rich.
First of all, thank you very much for posting this. Great tutorial. I had a question though. In the part where you adjust the upper excursion curve to flatten out that peak you have at 40 Hz, why are you using the upper curve and not the lower one. After all, you are adjusting the attenuation limit, not the boost limit. Cheers!
I needed to increase the amount of attenuation the Trinnov is doing, so by raising the curve I'm increasing the amount the Trinnov will attenuate it.
@@sxproaudiohi. But the attenuation curve is the lower blue curve. Raising the upper blue curve will increase the maximum boost the algorithm will consider. Since you want to increase the amount of attenuation, that should be done by dragging down the bottom blue line (which is the same as increasing the attenuation limit).
@@paboloish The Trinnov UK distributor watched and verified the video was all correct before going out. Regardless, if there are any such errors in future we’ll pay extra attention to such details and ensure nothing slips through!
I’m curious what your spectral decay looks like, which Trinnov doesn’t show. If you don’t have any treatment, most likely that’s where you will see issues. Really impressive results either way!
@@dougleydorite Really fair comment. In this room it really doesn’t matter; I’m just demonstrating concepts and principles here.
I have a better room available for critical mixing which is nigh on perfect (spoiler alert: it will appear in certain product videos soon!)
@ awesome! You make an interesting point that a flat room can sound like it’s not bass light in a good room. That must be my problem haha
Do my preset files save on the unit or on my computer
@@nathanielhawkins8674 they save on the hardware
does it just look like that or is your monitor a little too low? The midrange speaker on the PMC 6.2 should be at ear height. That's the center axis. 😉
Do you use ISO acoustic pucks under the speakers? They really make a difference, the low end is tighter and the mids are cleaner! I can only recommend these things 😉
As you can see in video, the Trinnov show the elevation on the left speaker to be -2 degrees, and the right speaker a tiny bit above zero degrees. This is about as level as you could hope for in real terms and is probably attributable to my mic stand not being completely straight/vertical. Besides, The actual acoustic centre of the speaker is between the mid-range and tweeter, a little higher than you're suggesting.
I knew someone would spot that I had no speaker isolation under these. On this particular day of shooting I had to loan my ISO-PUCKS out so had none to hand, but thankfully it doesn't remotely harm the concept of the video.
@sxproaudio hey
take a look at the description at PMC, it says that the central point for the height of the monitor on the 3-way speaker is the midrange speaker, which should be at ear height!😉
The way you do it is the same as with 2-way speakers!😉
@@mosermichael4404 I was actually thinking of the PMC 6 where the acoustic centre is indeed between the woofer and tweeter so you are indeed correct about the 6-2 in this regard! Apologies!
Regardless, Trinnov says that the measured acoustic centre of the speaker is at between zero and two degrees from level; ie perfectly ear height - did you see that part in the video?
Hello, I saw that you have a 500 series Harrison preamp behind you. How is its performance? Is it worth buying? I am using Neumann MT 48 Interface. Are its preamps of higher quality? I'm torn between Harrison and Neve 1073 500 series. I'm curious about your opinion, thank you. :)
@@cubaseman1487 If you have a 500 series rack the Harrison Pre is a brilliant addition. It’s super smooth, really fat and warm and very much more “analog” sounding than you’ll get from any mic ore that comes built into an interface.
@@sxproaudio Thank you very much for the answer, I'm torn between Harrison or Neve, but I think I'll give Harrison a chance :)
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Is there a way to connect Trinnov on my network via wifi?
As the Trinnov has no wifi built-in, you need to connect it via ethernet to a router. I guess it's possible that some sort of wifi dongle may work, but I haven't tried that so cannot verify that as a solution.