BXR with Incandescent and Pugilist. I just made mine, and have whiffed my hammer and recharged it before the whiffed hammer exploded on the ground. Pretty nice for a legendary!
At this point I see the whole master ketch crash thing as a social experiment to see how many people would have pushed themselves to lfg when normally they wouldn’t. And well, they got their data. The vast majority of people hated it. I liked the whole idea personally because of the fact that it did push me to LFG n realize how easy it is.
pushing people to use an external service of the game is never gonna end well. That's why the integrated lfg coming with lightfall will be a god send for the game.
@@epicgamerzfail4575 It's the app for the game itself, the same one you use if you want to pick up bounties without waiting forever in the glitchy laggy tower, the same thing you use to check Xur's inventory without having to look up a video. The in game LFG is not going to change a thing people will still not use it and still complain.
Your points on Master level content and power creep, as well as the (lack of) strength in the sandbox are right on point imo. Even as a more casual player, strikes and the game world not being tuned to the 3.0 subclasses is becoming very visible
literally started playing 2 and a half weeks ago, sitting at 1540 powerlevel on a solar titan running around pressing the c button. im not buying dlc until its on sale but from my perspective, yea, the things i can do in the base game seem very... weak
Been playing d2 for quite a while at this point and I swear light level is the cause of basically every issue with the game regarding power creep. Its not 3.0 subclasses that make the strikes and patrols boring. Its the fact that the only time that part of the game isn't being subjected to a ridiculous damage dealt/taken modifier is the first week of a new expansion launch. As soon as the players vastly overlevel the strikes and patrol content most of the game becomes way less enjoyable. Gambit is literally the only place in the game you can fight level appropriate enemies without some other gameplay challenge piled on top. Master and grandmaster level content always has modifiers, mechanics, or other added difficulty things piled on top. If they enabled an option to set strikes and patrol spaces to scaled light levels the game would instantly become way more engaging.
I reluctantly agree because the last time they made content around how powerful we are was Reckoning. Once the regen exotics were nerfed it became harder. Not to mention Season of Worthy's activity which I presume was built around warmind cells. Pour one out for those who were launched off the bridge.
Why don't they just have master raids drop universal ornaments and have weapons drop with enhanced perks base? People have been clambering to get the old Solstice armor back in the game, and that's a great way to incentivize doing the master mode, as well as getting the weapons. Weapons dropping with enhanced perks base does make them slightly better then the base raid, but that's it, just slightly better. It's great for people who are really into min-maxing without affecting the casual side. I also disagree with your thoughts on champions in master mode raids, champions in raids don't add anything except force a load out which is boring. We should be able to go into the raids with whatever loadout we crafted. Master mode raids are supposed to be where test your powerful builds and they don't do that if I'm forced to use something bungie decided. I have a ton of build ideas I can't properly try out because champions force me to abandon them. And just because it's always been like that doesn't mean it has to stay that way. you thought the same of sunsetting at one point and here we are now. Datto I love ya but you really got to drop that mentality.
I wanna comment on the endless horde mode idea that you mentioned at the end of the video. We've all been wanting something like that for years and personally I think that would be a good way to combat burn out. The main reason I stick with the game is the gameplay. All of my friends quit during Curse of Osiris and Warmind and I kept playing non stop because I love the gameplay and the way it feels so much. The only incentive I need from a horde mode is just that, more mindless shooting, because sometimes I just want to turn my brain off and shoot things. However, more incentive than that would obviously be nice, and I'm sure even the mindless waves would burn me and others out eventually too. There's never gonna be a fix to burn out, but I personally think that just having a place to shoot stuff other than strikes or patrols would be nice. Idk, as long as I can keep killing stuff, I'm satisfied at the end of the day.
The verdant forest (from the one-time spring event back in forsaken) could be a start. It was infinite time provided you killed enough in the time limit. Maybe do that but with increasing difficulty as waves progress
19:27 this ending part is exactly how I feel about the game rn. I love D2 to death, but for some reason rn it’s just not the same. Something needs to change in regards to the health of the game
I’ve been feeling we lack uniqueness in our new content. It doesn’t feel a lot different from our older standard seasonal model. Secret missions and exotic quests would be a great return. The last exotic quest we got was dead messenger and it really wasn’t that interesting :/
This season is also just kinda meh - not a ton of secrets, not the best activities, decent loot but nothing especially amazing, arc 3.0 is fine but not especially gamechanging, really only a newish raid. It's also kinda overcomplicated and high-jargon compared to how much any of it actually matters.
@@bedopskepop7936 Honestly Dead Messenger was a bit of a wasted oppourtunity.On one hand for new players it was awesome, it gave us a new seasonal checklist, and it let new players see Mars. On the other hand it felt as though it should have had some of those temporal rifts from TWQ campaign
Master raids need to have the ornament raid sets tied to them the same way destiny 1 age of triumph did, it's that simple and is ridiculous that we still don't have such a system. Leviathan at least had the glow armor set but that quickly went away and hasn't been back since....
@@PaulinoGomez if it had kept the random rolls from where D1 had ended, Leviathan would have had way more life lol. I just want them to bring back the old D2 raids now because thought they may be easy as hell now, they were still fun.
The issue is that making raid ornaments takes dev time away from designing eververse ornaments, and makes eververse ornaments less desirable. They’ll never come back
Was about to comment this: maybe tie up one of the AOT armor designs to the master challenge or a completion (no idea if rng here, but triumphs would be better). That way, people get something worth showing up, on top of the title.
What I'm gutted about with the master raid this season is they had the perfect opportunity to put the harrowed armour in like they did in d1, I'm sure that would be plenty incentive enough for more people to do the master raid
Only complaint I have about seasonal model is that umbral energy was tied exclusively to the seasonal activities last season but not the one before it or the one we are currently in. If they will simply let umbral energy drop from playlist activities for all seasons I will be completely fine with everything else. I think the seasonal model does what it is meant to do and does it well. I just don’t like that last season randomly differentiates from the “do playlist activities, so seasonal activity for rewards, repeat” model. If no season followed it or if they had changed the model for this year for all seasons i wouldn’t care. The fact that last season was so stingy with umbral energy and no other reasons really were is just really annoying
There's an upgrade on the Star Chart that lets you passively earn Plundered Umbral Energy from activities, such as strikes, Gambit, Crucible, raids, etc. You only get 1 Plundered Energy every 5 or so activities, but it's better than nothing. But yes, we shouldn't have to do an upgrade to have gotten this. They are being super greedy with the Plundered Umbral Energy this sesaon.
Yeah I would actually prefer the rewards be more of “the same”. I’d rather have consistently good rewards systems over a random season that, for no reason, is worse than the others.
@Urazz my idea is with the hallowed weapons have one set of perks have the fixed God roll and the second set random enhanced perks. With armor rolls no less then 62 and guaranteed 20 minimum on a stat in a weekly rotation. Artifice would be cool however a armor piece with 6 mod slots would be a but much.
That's intentional. You shouldn't be getting anything that's better from those activities because literally only 1% of players do it and they have no lives or money. There's no return on investment for the engineering/artist effort to be catering to people who have no jobs or money and spend 24/7 on the game. Those players will play Destiny 2 till the servers shut down.
With Final Fantasy, older content has a few things... if you're doing match made stuff, for example doing a Duty Roulette (random dungeon) the game forces you DOWN to the level of the content you're playing, so it'll always be a challenge, or at least not something you can really sleep through. Any match made activity is like that in FF, if you want to make it easy cause you over level it, you select Unsynced... which lets you play any activity at your current level, but there is no match making. So if you want to take friends in, you gotta first make friends... or use the in game lfg. No matter what, older content can still slap you around because you're still being forced down to a level where it wants you to be when you play. Now is that saying your gear isn't going to give you an advantage? No, by all means good gear is good gear. But health wise, and level wise, it drops you down where the game says "This is where you need to be to do this content, I'm MAKING you do it." Destiny does that with the Legendary Witch Queen Campaign... I wouldn't mind seeing them implement that for the Strike Playlist on the whole as a testing ground...
Thing is, power creep in 14 is stupidly outrageous rn. Its never been easier to blaze through content on sync ever before. The game may have the option of syncing down to old content or even play it at MIL (Minimum Item Level), but our potencies from the endwalker stat squish are so busted that you just become a half-god compared to when the content released.
@@SayaKirasaka What are you talking about? The inverse happens with stat squish in XIV. Dun Scaith's Diabolos HOllow will 1-shot tanks on spawn unless you invuln (Lv60 Alliance Raid) and certain Alexander TBs are now tank-swaps when they weren't before. Only 'power-creepy' thing XIV MAY have is in the form of kit-reworks in cases like Summoner, but I'm fairly certain the level-sync function trims that down significantly enough?
I don't think you fully understand how much FFXIV has changed over the years. Even if we get level synced our food stats/melds and potency of skills don't get get synched at all. Making every old content, even just half an expansion ago, an absolute breeze to go through. Even old Ultimates are becoming a cakewalk and glorified extremes, just need time dedication for them but DPS checks are hardly there anymore. Let alone the jobs that are balanced on 80-90, like RPR, SMN and SGE, have some really wonky potencies going on in lower level content. Level sync might be a good idea but the way FFXIV implements it is a very half-assed version of it sadly.
@@Eszoable Perhaps you're right. I thought it operated on a similar process to Destiny's scaling, which is to say "you will never scale over BiS of the appropriate level," except D2 does it by saying "you will effectively only do full damage with your gun when your score when is 15pts over the target's power, and you will never scale above that." It is incredibly weird reading "half-assed" on XIV's scaling, when D2 reduces all scaling issues to rely upon gear score, though.
One of the most memorable things for me from the launch of Beyond Light were those really strong Brigs in the Europa patrol. They were a genuine challenge that had random players cooperating in patrol to take them down in a way I don't think we've seen since like, Escalation Protocol. There wasn't really a reward for taking them down but it was fun just doing so, to speak to your point about difficulty.
Man I really really hope the Tormentors actually give me a feeling of fear and dread when I see them. I want to feel powerless and feel like my best option is to run away so that when I do kill the enemy it feels that much more triumphant.
One thing that makes Brigs really fun is that they don't start with a crit spot, so you're encouraged to use big explosives on them. This is D1 design in the best way.
I think you’re right about needing a horde mode. And I think that the point of it needs to be just a time sink. Instead of being timed to complete objectives, I’d like to see waves get more difficult as time goes on, while rewarding better loot. For example, you can start with a ton of red bars and normal Strike end chests, dropping some planetary materials and legendary shards. Slowly start making enemies more difficult and scaling the Light of the waves. Then we can get up to like 50 champions, massive bosses, yellow bar acolytes and thrall, dropping Adept Nightfall weapons, Ascendant Shards, tons of prisms and cores, and exotics. Take Escalation Protocol and dial it up to 11. But then at a specific threshold, it stops scaling the rewards. And like Master raids, it’s just for the love of the game and to shoot stuff. It would cater to the top 1% but not too much. Then again, that would piss off the “300 kids, 10 wives, 150 jobs” crowd. So maybe not.
Seasonal burnout is real with season of Plunder. I was done after my 5th run of 6 man and 3 man activity. I'll be dipped if I continue to run this thing. Transmog might be my end-game this season.
As far as the master raid loot goes, my clan and I have been talking about making armor ornaments drop from master raids, bringing back the old D1 ornaments especially for legacy raids would be a pretty easy thing to do without power creeping.
My hot take is this, Adept Raid weapons should have been the only craftable raid weapons there better then normal drops and it gives a reason to run master oh also drop there blueprints to 2 or 3. So the loop goes new raid try out weapons find what ones you like then do master to craft the good ones considering the people good enough to do master are the ones that mid max the most
For master raids, I want Bungie to make adept drops the normal encounter drops and for the challenge, you get a glowy armor piece ornament/mementos. That's incentive for players to take those on.
I personally don't think they would need to heavily incentivise a horse/endless mode. It would be a good spot to test things and farm catalysts/crafted weapons. You could also have a leaderboard if you wanted. To see how high of a wave people can get to
The autocomplete objective was a wake up call for me because it made realize how many destiny players don’t actually lfg enough to know how it works. I lfg’d a masterketch crash the 1st week it came out cause i wanted the loot. It makes you realize how many people aren’t used to these systems. I’ve been a regular lfg’er since the crota days and I honestly enjoy it sometimes because it’s excersize in both patience and teamwork
I don't LFG stuff like Master Ketchcrash because I value my time too much to run it, full stop... It's not worth it when you have stuff like Master Duality or Master Nightfalls.
@@dekkonot it’s not as necessary now but I ran it more early on for the weapons. There is still a reason to run it however because it drops ascendant alloy
I do use lfg regularly, but the success of Destiny is in it being an MMO lite. They need systems to be simple enough that anyone can use them and most players are not going to leave the game to play the game. Once they bring the LFG into the game next year I think they will get a lot more people using it.
I've been thinking about all the new enemies destiny adds in each expansion and then, just doesn't include them in endgame content? Stasis Fallen weren't in the raid, Hive Guardians are just in patrol spaces and story missions and also weren't in the raid. Hell, even Wyverns are pretty cool and are scary in nightfalls but they only appear in one strike. These are phenomenal ways to break away from Champions but it feels like they just aren't using these enemy types as much as they could be. Is that just me?
King's Fall is a reprised raid and Bungie is treating them as if they're snapshots in time. Vow is Scorn, so no place for the newer enemies types. DSC could have included stasis Fallen, but they may have had story reasons for not including them. I only did it once and am fuzzy on how it fits in the lore (if they weren't Fallen associated with Eramis, they wouldn't belong). The one exception to this is wyverns, they are in Vault, but we haven't seen any other new content with vex since then, so there's no where for them to be.
I love the idea of requirements or minimums in order to matchmake Master SEASONAL content. I hear some loot incentives for Master raids to bring back the remaining weapons that weren’t brought to D2 (King’s Fall’s Auto, Shotgun and Rocket Launcher and VoG’s Fusion, Auto and Pulse), the D1 AoT raid ornaments, and hard mode armor (Harrowed, did VoG even have hard mode armor? I forgot). I love the idea but if they were to incorporate this theme into future raids, especially the new raids - not reprised ones - then armor would be okay, raid ornaments would be okay. Maybe Vow Master mod could’ve received an Auto rifle, the hand cannon, machine gun, or maybe other weapons not available in normal. Given the state of the community I think they’d riot over locked content but oh well.
All of these would be a great incentive to play master but like you said, people would bitch and moan about it being locked behind hard content. I honestly hate how casual the game is now. I wish theyd add more hardcore rewards like this and add new mechanics for hard raids like in d1 and leviathan. Im fine with champions personally, i just hate how thats our limit for hard content. The game is boring now. It doesnt make me want to grind or get better. Its just "do your weekly bounties for brightdust, your pinnacles for light level, and your weekly "watch NPCs talk to eachother" for the seasonal story". The game isnt an "MMO RPG" if its more casual than minecraft is rn...
loreley is still a super strong exotic and I still use it for masters stuff and pair it with Well Of Life and it’s still keeping me alive as it did before nerf. Only difference is that I can’t stand in front of hundreds of enemies thinking I can tank them all. I’m glad it was fixed as well and people got super dramatic because they can’t just be bad at the game kek
I was someone who did master ketchcrash three times on each character so I didn’t mind the requirement because I got powerful loot while doing them. But I also understand people who were annoyed by it. Personally, I didn’t care that the 50 champions requirement got removed.
Something like the haunted forest as a horde mode would be amazing, rewarding players the farther you go, giving lower skilled players rewards for clearing a few waves, maybe a big reward at 3 or 5, and then more of a resource to spend as you get further into the waves.
welcome back Datto, hope you had fun on vacation! Agree with the topic of bringing up old content, I just don't know how many man hours Bungie would have to throw into it to get it done. It would be absolutely hilarious though if we ever see the arms dealer strike have teeth in it. I can see that getting memed pretty quick if it came to pass.
People are way too over confident in player ability. Enough LFGs will show you how much people suck and don’t want to learn, it’s crazy. The game is also insanely easy compared to how difficult they make this game. Nothing is this game is difficult outside of Day 1 raids, master raids, and GMs. Nothing, and I mean nothing outside of those are of any difficulty people just don’t want to actually try.
Master raids aren't even all that difficult if you're close to on level and run endgame viable builds tbh. It's only hard if you're not prepared to deal with everything that master mode brings to the table, which is basically just the ability to stay alive and stun champs.
Everybody was laser focused on the "Ketchcrash" part of that quest requirement and thought you HAD to do it, but you could just do hero nightfalls and get about 10 per run easily.
Not really, as he said in the divinity video that he actively holds back opinions that do not align with the casual community as he doesn’t want to deal with the inevitable vitriol that comes with said opinions
@@amarioguy Yeah that is true, but all im saying is if he ever says fuck it and doesn't hold anything back. Run for the hills. And even if we got different options, not worth sending any bs death threats. Its a game and we just trying to play it. :>
I love watching last season's thoughts and multiple ppl love to essentially say "the seasonal model is to old and bland, we need some changes to it" while also hearing those same ppl say things like this "seasonal story mission is not where I look for intense quest completion requirements" at this season. they heard you, but it didn't matter.
I saw something where someone said that master raids should rewards glass needles (from D1) allowing you to reroll exotic armour stats. This would make master raids more rewarding and lost sectors grinding less painful. I'd imagine the cost for rerolling exotic armour to be very high requiring you to do at least a full master raid (or the equivalent, as in 5x encounter completions) to reroll your exotic once or you only get the glass needles if you do a full master raid completion (you buy a nightfall card, think trials card, and it keeps track of the encounters you have done) which then rewards you with enough materials to reroll maybe twice but this would make it so you can't just farm the shortest encounter. Oh and you can only get the glass needles from the most recent released raid.
For master raid it unlocks the AoT ornaments. Completing a full master raid unlocks the glows similar to trials of Osiris for a week or two. Boom people run it for the fashion
Well, Bungo has stated that they will rework some of the old strikes in Season 20. Hopefully its not just "add more champions" and "Boss has 5x health now" but instead lightbearer hive, tormentors or some other difficult and not annoying stuff.
Here are my ideas for Master raids, -Age of Triumph armor - just port from D1 please bungie -Emblem -Shader/Raid Momento -Some sort of crown or physical appearance change when completing master raid, or perhaps when equipping emblems, like trials does -One or two exclusive weapons with some more potent loot pools - these weapons wouldn’t necessarily be better, but just have more godrolls and just be a flex - this could easily be done for the destiny 1 raids since there are a few weapons that just didn’t get ported over -taken king ghost shell please bungie At the end of the day I totally agree that the population numbers in master content are not that high. But you have to ask yourself why? There can be many reason but at the end of the day I think it’s mainly tied to incentive. If there was more incentive it would get a larger portion of the community to be invested in master content, setting it as a goal since the loot is sought after. For example look at trials. Trials used to be a shit show about a year ago and it was mainly the sweatiest of the sweats playing because they just liked trials. Then bungie reworked trials, made loot more accessible, made new loot, re worked the system, and now the trials population has sky rocketed compared to where it was before. At the end of the day destiny players love loot and love to flex it, bungie just needs to capitalize on that to bring more players to master raids. Everybody always says fashion is the Destiny endgame for a reason, it doesn’t have to OP power crept gear.
I think part of what caused King's Fall reaction is that even by Master standards, it felt like they went up a notch with the amount of Champions. Which, to be honest, is probably one of the few ways they can challenge us with our current power level. With that said, for as much as I don't mind being challenged combat-wise, it does feel like some things are a bit too much with King's Fall. For the most part, the Warpriest challenge mode. Truth be told, chip away at the ads isn't that much harder, even in Master difficult. Totems felt more difficult, in that sense. While there you are pretty much in the open, with Warpriest, you can pretty much just stay at plates and kill things with a bow or something. But the actual challenge has so many frustrating things halting it. Lack of heavy ammo, lack of special ammo, latency messing up with the timer (both for who is counting and for the person who needs to get the aura), a restricted loadout due to the presence of Champions, and on top of that, one of the toughest damage walls currently present in the game. You need to be quite well optimized to deal with everything. Should a CHALLENGE in a MASTER raid ask that much from the players? Maybe. But if that's the case, I wish there was some other option as well. Specially when power creep takes us more and more towards this kind of design on high-level content. I'm a bit tired of going into a raid and instantly evaporating everything in sight. Beating Atraks-1 on Day 1 is one of my fondest memories of Destiny, and coming back to it a long time after getting my seal done and not really touching it ever since, it felt so disappointing that people nowadays can instantly delet her without even tocuhing the mechanics. Not even builds are any fun when everything is dead before their engine gets going. But I also wish we had something that allows for more freedom of approach then what Warpriest challenge has been like. Where I need to actually think to play and show some level of mastery of the mechanics, but not to be so well optimized that it feels restrictive. I had some good fun with Master Vow, but even that feels something people will rarely actually want to play week to week. Specially if you are talking about Exhibition Challenge. Which I still felt more in control of and had more fun with than the Warpriest challenge, but is still quite taxing for non-A teams and below. Hard Mode felt much more approachable in Destiny 1 than Master has been on Destiny 2, and I would like to see something at that level of difficulty here too. Something that someone between B- and A- can have some semblance of challenge, but without it being overbearing. Because right now, it feels like Destiny has pretty much two modes. F- and A+, maybe S for some really insane stuff.
The champion quest/challenge mentioned was in fact champion STUNS, which makes it a lot more different. I just loaded into a Legend lost sector, and stunned the same Overload champ 50 times, it took me all of 10-15 minutes
As a generally non-raid (and by extension definitely not a master raider), would tying the master raid triumphs to raid exotic bonus chances similar to heartshadow and duality make doing them more appealing?
Significantly. I got lucky with getting Touch after only 20 clears, but friends of mine had almost 80 clears in Deep Stone before they got Eyes. Most people I know got Heartshadow within 15 clears AND they actually wanted to work for the title because of how everything was linked
Thank you Datto for forming my opinion for me. I lost the ability to think for myself after tuning into one of Leopard’s streams, and your videos help alleviate my suffering.
regarding matchmade master seasonal activities, I wouldnt mind. I started using the d2 app lfg for stuff like master ketchcrash and it's been okay. Some extra UI in game when launching 6-player, master-mode activities to show how many weapons of each element type, and how many anti-champ weapons (with mods!!) players have equipped. So you see that your group has f.ex 2 void weapons, 5 arc, and 7 solar weapons, with 3 people having overload, and 4 people having antibarrier. That way you can hopefully prevent loading into activites improperly equipped, preventing frustration, since in matchmade activities you won't be communicating and strategizing your loadout with your team.
On the last point you harped on: they ARE doing that starting with Lightfall, retuning strikes came up as part of the expansion's content push, I have no doubt they will likely expand on that soon after.
The last segment of this video is very important and I understand how much of an issue this is? The content is truly stuck in the past, where everything else is moving forward. Can’t wait to see your next video about this topic.
As fun as ×2 Restoration Loreley was, just eating absurd amounts of damage; but I fully agree with the nerf. It made things TOO easy, however it is still quite strong and keeps your ass alive most the time. Sunspots bestspots.
the best part of the video was the explosive payload incandescent zhaouli's bane drop at the end. not to say the video was bad but goddamn that gun is so hot.
@@Barn80 I’ve been saying this. D1 mechanic changes from hard mode with the D2 res system. Prestige Levi did hard mode perfect but yet again the problem with it was lackluster rewards that made it not worth running so nobody did.
Glad you had a great vacation. Thanks for the recap of all the news, since I took a similar break from Destiny. As for your discussion of PVE content and incentivizing hard content, completely agree. The skill of completing a raid is what we look for. Not the endless grind. It's why I'm on the verge of walking away into FFXIV to finally have a narrative that will endure for a full year or more. Destiny is fun but the piecemeal story and grinding for pinnacles every season does take its toll. So thanks for all the videos and analysis. Keep up the great work and stay safe. :)
My favorite part of the casuals freaking out about "50 champion kills" for the story progression is that you literally didn't have to kill any to get it. I loaded into a master ketchkrash and my teammates got the champ kills for me.
I would like to see adept weapons having a Hard light or Borialis swapping firing modes, but instead it swaps the primary perk being used. Could be interesting. Especially if it stacks
I want to believe they're experimenting with new mechanics, like that tormentor(if that's what it's called) coming in lightfall, but I agree they need to buff older content now that the 3.0s are set.
Master raids could use more cosmetics like Age-of-Triumph style ornaments, maybe a cool memento for crafting purposes, and maybe give the adept guns enhanced perks (or at least make them start with normal perks but they turn into enhanced perks after an extra expensive masterwork which requires ascendant alloys at the final increment instead of just enhancement cores as usual)
I hate the seasonal dlc delivery style, killed the game for me. People complain about droughts but I’d rather just play a different game during droughts and get higher quality content more sparsely.
My only problem with the nerf is that the exotic still says improved restoration when that isn't the case anymore, i personally don't see any reason to use that anymore
In most content, I kind of find it funny, as in technicality, we’re supposed to be this strong against everything with the power we have🤣 it’s similar to how the Dragonborn in Skyrim is supposedly able to level mountains and destroy entire towns in a shout
I’d really love for the nightmare/empire hunts to be revitalized in particular for more nightfall-level difficulty. So many iconic enemies from D1. Giving them their own playlist would also allow for old strike-exclusive armor to make a resurgence and introduce new armor based on Eramis’ old allies. I might be the only one who wants to see this happen but I’d like to hear from others on this.
Nightmare hunts being relevant would also where the Shadowkeep title more reasonable to get as well. Rn you just aren't going to get those speedruns done for the title
My thoughts: Gear power should be based on the max level of any item in that slot. If I have a Calus Mini Tool drop at 1580, I think a sunshot in my vault that I haven’t infused so it’s at 1350 should be treated equivocally as 1580 in most/all content. Same for all armor slots. It creates the drive to complete pinnacles but reduces the frustration of infusing specific gear, as that’s a big limiter of buildcrafting. I also think most content should do like Haunted Leviathan and bring up the power of anyone not at it. Let me try a master nightfall even if I’m 1500 power, and just set me 20 power under or something. It would require extreme work to complete, and would hedge on buildcrafting and tactics to work, but would still be doable. Honestly I hate grandmasters have light minimums. If I have a perfect build, champion mods, and a group, I should be able to enter at the already-appointed minimum light level it sets you at. I shouldn’t have to exp farm to even be able to do one
Just put the contest-modifier in GM's and cap everyone 20 lvl under. Noone would have to mindlessly grind anymore for doing GMs every season (although that would reduce playtime by a lot which Bungo probably doesn't like)
I agree with you on the light level comment, I'd like to move to slot leveling first and just see how that goes. But I can also understand the argument from some folks that just say "no light on gear" and just have the artifact. I don't think I want to go as harsh as that last statement yet. I'd just like to see how slot leveling would work out first. Plus it would be nice to just eliminate the need for upgrade modules.
Hot Take: What if they brought back the D1 raid intrinsic weapon traits from VoG, Crota, etc. into the Master Challenge weapons. I feel like there should be tiers to weapons. Ex. You get a Zaoulis Bane drop from the normal difficulty and that’s what you get a normal hand cannon with those perk traits. Then crafting that weapon will allow you to choose whatever perk traits you want on that weapon along with enhanced perks. Master weapons ex. You get the Zaoulis Bane but this time you get the normal random rolls obviously but there is an intrinsic trait added, like bonus damage to Knights or Wizards along with the ability to add adept mods. Master challenge weapons will allow you to get double perk slots. Crafting the Adept/Harrowed version of the weapons will allow you to have enhanced double perk traits along with the intrinsic bonus. Crafting the Adept/Harrowed will only take 1-2 patterns instead of 5 for the normal version of the weapon. Doing challenges on Master will have a 33% chance to get a redborder weapon. Normal challenge will be a 25% chance. Drop comments below for replies so we can discuss negatives and positives. P.S. Make crafted weapon costs free after purchasing that trait. Think Datto said something about the free cost after purchasing the trait that way you can swap traits for different content. Long comment but yeah… Edit: Another hot take along with the challenge for the week that specific encounter allows the enemies to have the Iron Modifier only on Elites/Mini-boss enemy types. Same for Master although in Master there will be more Elites/Mini-boss enemy types. Since Bungo doesn’t want to change Master raid mechanics there will be limited options to making the content a little more difficult besides saying hey you can’t stand on the same plate until everyone else has. If this actually becomes a thing the intrinsic trait for the raid weapons will become more viable as you might do more damage or will be able to stun Elites/Mini-bosses with your legendary weapon as if you had an anti-champion mod equipped.
Adept weapons from raids should be craftable, this way the pinnacle content would have pinnacle loot, which is slightly better than the standard one but only relevant to the minmaxers (aka the ones running Master Mode). The tier system would look like this Master Mode (Crafted) Adept
Hope we start getting exotic quests with each season again instead of it being tied to dungeons. I loved the Ager's quest. To me, S16 and 17 felt a bit empty without them Edit: Forgot S16 had Vox Obscura... that activity was a miss for me though.
Nah bro don't apologize for this, you're right on so many levels we are to stronk to the point where stuff isn't made around us being this strong. No doubt lightfall will bring some good stuff but the whiplash of going back to the same old activities we'll doing for another year is just gonna keep makin my neck hurt till Bungie does something about it, love ya Datto and I hope we will see this eventually cause if they are gonna do something about it it'll be a long time till then
Are crafted enhanced perk weapons better than the same roll on an adept weapon? I didn't realize you could buy adept weapons at the end of master raids once you've unlocked them, but not sure if it's worth the spoils to try and get a 5/5 god roll when you can craft an enhanced version of the regular gun.
I agree with many points you make in this video, I would disagree that Armor is living in the same space as the weapon and subclass systems. Armor is not stone-aged like many activities, but it has several ways it could be improved to better match the way that weapon acquisition has developed. Every armor piece being a complete 6-full-odds slot machine every single time is not modern enough yet.
I had a idea and I'd like your thoughts on it. Since GM has adept weapons and dungeons artifice armour why cant master raids have both also let the adept raid weapons have douple enhanced perks.
The bigger problem with the Ketchcrash step was, there was literally no way to know in-game that one master Ketchcrash will cover the step because of some unknown multiplier. I shouldn't have to go to Reddit, social media or RUclips to get the hot tip. If the quest description clearly stated the multiplier or just straight up said finish one Master Ketchcrash then it would have been an interesting experiment to see how many went to LFG. It would have still been rough for newer players who are underlight but maybe Master would be contest mode scaler and not purely LL.
How to incentivize master raids: Make armor and weapons look like Trials gear after a flawless run where you get the extra visual effects for the week. It doesn't need to be something super elaborate but at least it's a reason to go back into one.
Have master raids require the encounter challenge to be completed, I think they would be a good middle ground between now and the new mechanics ppl want
To touch on the end part of the video: I wholeheartedly agree. A week or so before Witch Queen, I was talking to a lot of my friends about how the game is missing something, and they got me to realize that the game isn't hard anymore, especially compared to D1 in my eyes. Yeah, GM, Trials (for non sweats), and the like are tough, but that's for various reasons. I remember doing a story mission when Taken King came out that took my an hour, alone, to beat the boss of it, but it was sooo good feeling when I finally did it. Destiny, outside of the Legendary Campaign, is just way too easy. And subclass updates/upgrades didn't help that aspect.
"You are lucky to get content" "Players should just give up trying to get bungie to change shit mechanics" "Master Content is for the love of the game not for the rewards" What did he mean by this?
I just banged out the 50 champions in a couple runs of Heroic nightfall. A little excessive for a storyline quest, sure, but there were options outside of Master Ketchcrash.
Haha I finished half the step and didn’t play until day before reset and the step was completely gone and it was now telling me to do the mission. I was like yeah!!
no way new opinions just dropped
why would you invoke dcj in this consecrated ground
@@shibashroomtwo7439 they're everywhere
Slugger
@@shibashroomtwo7439 dcj is the only good destiny sub
@@peabrain6872 truuuu
@@shibashroomtwo7439 ghalr
the bell teleport hammer loss at like 2:30 really spoke to me in the deepest way im so sorry for your loss
Same lmfao
Biggest titan pain is losing your hammer
BXR with Incandescent and Pugilist. I just made mine, and have whiffed my hammer and recharged it before the whiffed hammer exploded on the ground. Pretty nice for a legendary!
"Nooo.. my hammer" are the most spoken words by solar titans
I lose my basic motor functions without my hammer. It's like dropping a whole box of crayons.
Getting a Memento for completing Master Raids would be cool. A unique one for each Master Raid.
Normally they give a special sparrow, Vow of the Disciple did.. think King's Fall also does. Haven't checked the others tho.
@@Eszoable KF does. But a memento would be a consumable that you might want to farm multiple of. I think that's what he's getting at.
He's talking about mementos not sparrows.....
Honestly I think Mementos should (and hopefully will) be expanded to all 3 core playlists and Master Raids. That would be very cool
Reaching 5500 glory and you get a memento would finally give a reason to play survival again
At this point I see the whole master ketch crash thing as a social experiment to see how many people would have pushed themselves to lfg when normally they wouldn’t. And well, they got their data. The vast majority of people hated it. I liked the whole idea personally because of the fact that it did push me to LFG n realize how easy it is.
Lol I’ve been lfging since d1. It’s not hard
pushing people to use an external service of the game is never gonna end well. That's why the integrated lfg coming with lightfall will be a god send for the game.
And Xbox console built in LFG makes it even easier
@@epicgamerzfail4575 Mark my words. People would still not use it.
@@epicgamerzfail4575 It's the app for the game itself, the same one you use if you want to pick up bounties without waiting forever in the glitchy laggy tower, the same thing you use to check Xur's inventory without having to look up a video. The in game LFG is not going to change a thing people will still not use it and still complain.
Your points on Master level content and power creep, as well as the (lack of) strength in the sandbox are right on point imo. Even as a more casual player, strikes and the game world not being tuned to the 3.0 subclasses is becoming very visible
literally started playing 2 and a half weeks ago, sitting at 1540 powerlevel on a solar titan running around pressing the c button. im not buying dlc until its on sale but from my perspective, yea, the things i can do in the base game seem very... weak
Been playing d2 for quite a while at this point and I swear light level is the cause of basically every issue with the game regarding power creep. Its not 3.0 subclasses that make the strikes and patrols boring. Its the fact that the only time that part of the game isn't being subjected to a ridiculous damage dealt/taken modifier is the first week of a new expansion launch. As soon as the players vastly overlevel the strikes and patrol content most of the game becomes way less enjoyable. Gambit is literally the only place in the game you can fight level appropriate enemies without some other gameplay challenge piled on top. Master and grandmaster level content always has modifiers, mechanics, or other added difficulty things piled on top. If they enabled an option to set strikes and patrol spaces to scaled light levels the game would instantly become way more engaging.
I reluctantly agree because the last time they made content around how powerful we are was Reckoning. Once the regen exotics were nerfed it became harder. Not to mention Season of Worthy's activity which I presume was built around warmind cells.
Pour one out for those who were launched off the bridge.
Why don't they just have master raids drop universal ornaments and have weapons drop with enhanced perks base? People have been clambering to get the old Solstice armor back in the game, and that's a great way to incentivize doing the master mode, as well as getting the weapons. Weapons dropping with enhanced perks base does make them slightly better then the base raid, but that's it, just slightly better. It's great for people who are really into min-maxing without affecting the casual side.
I also disagree with your thoughts on champions in master mode raids, champions in raids don't add anything except force a load out which is boring. We should be able to go into the raids with whatever loadout we crafted. Master mode raids are supposed to be where test your powerful builds and they don't do that if I'm forced to use something bungie decided. I have a ton of build ideas I can't properly try out because champions force me to abandon them. And just because it's always been like that doesn't mean it has to stay that way. you thought the same of sunsetting at one point and here we are now. Datto I love ya but you really got to drop that mentality.
he’s a Bungie shill, he will ride this dogshit company and their terrible practices as much as possible
I wanna comment on the endless horde mode idea that you mentioned at the end of the video. We've all been wanting something like that for years and personally I think that would be a good way to combat burn out. The main reason I stick with the game is the gameplay. All of my friends quit during Curse of Osiris and Warmind and I kept playing non stop because I love the gameplay and the way it feels so much. The only incentive I need from a horde mode is just that, more mindless shooting, because sometimes I just want to turn my brain off and shoot things. However, more incentive than that would obviously be nice, and I'm sure even the mindless waves would burn me and others out eventually too. There's never gonna be a fix to burn out, but I personally think that just having a place to shoot stuff other than strikes or patrols would be nice. Idk, as long as I can keep killing stuff, I'm satisfied at the end of the day.
I have to agree 100% this is one thing warframe does right imho. Endless modes are so nice.
The verdant forest (from the one-time spring event back in forsaken) could be a start. It was infinite time provided you killed enough in the time limit. Maybe do that but with increasing difficulty as waves progress
This man just loves killing
I certainly wouldn’t mind it being in the game.
At the very least, a gamemode where you increase in levels then have a bossfight, like the Halloween event.
19:27 this ending part is exactly how I feel about the game rn. I love D2 to death, but for some reason rn it’s just not the same. Something needs to change in regards to the health of the game
I feel you. I love destiny and always will, but I honestly can’t play for more than a couple weeks before getting burnt out and not caring anymore
What’s missing is good exotic missions and end game other than strikes and raids
I’ve been feeling we lack uniqueness in our new content. It doesn’t feel a lot different from our older standard seasonal model.
Secret missions and exotic quests would be a great return. The last exotic quest we got was dead messenger and it really wasn’t that interesting :/
This season is also just kinda meh - not a ton of secrets, not the best activities, decent loot but nothing especially amazing, arc 3.0 is fine but not especially gamechanging, really only a newish raid. It's also kinda overcomplicated and high-jargon compared to how much any of it actually matters.
@@bedopskepop7936 Honestly Dead Messenger was a bit of a wasted oppourtunity.On one hand for new players it was awesome, it gave us a new seasonal checklist, and it let new players see Mars. On the other hand it felt as though it should have had some of those temporal rifts from TWQ campaign
Master raids need to have the ornament raid sets tied to them the same way destiny 1 age of triumph did, it's that simple and is ridiculous that we still don't have such a system. Leviathan at least had the glow armor set but that quickly went away and hasn't been back since....
D2Y1 loot was underrated
@@PaulinoGomez if it had kept the random rolls from where D1 had ended, Leviathan would have had way more life lol. I just want them to bring back the old D2 raids now because thought they may be easy as hell now, they were still fun.
The issue is that making raid ornaments takes dev time away from designing eververse ornaments, and makes eververse ornaments less desirable. They’ll never come back
Was about to comment this: maybe tie up one of the AOT armor designs to the master challenge or a completion (no idea if rng here, but triumphs would be better). That way, people get something worth showing up, on top of the title.
@@fort809 it takes that much dev time to copy paste something from the first game into the 2nd game?? I don’t buy it.
What I'm gutted about with the master raid this season is they had the perfect opportunity to put the harrowed armour in like they did in d1, I'm sure that would be plenty incentive enough for more people to do the master raid
Only complaint I have about seasonal model is that umbral energy was tied exclusively to the seasonal activities last season but not the one before it or the one we are currently in. If they will simply let umbral energy drop from playlist activities for all seasons I will be completely fine with everything else. I think the seasonal model does what it is meant to do and does it well. I just don’t like that last season randomly differentiates from the “do playlist activities, so seasonal activity for rewards, repeat” model. If no season followed it or if they had changed the model for this year for all seasons i wouldn’t care. The fact that last season was so stingy with umbral energy and no other reasons really were is just really annoying
There's an upgrade on the Star Chart that lets you passively earn Plundered Umbral Energy from activities, such as strikes, Gambit, Crucible, raids, etc. You only get 1 Plundered Energy every 5 or so activities, but it's better than nothing. But yes, we shouldn't have to do an upgrade to have gotten this. They are being super greedy with the Plundered Umbral Energy this sesaon.
Yeah I would actually prefer the rewards be more of “the same”. I’d rather have consistently good rewards systems over a random season that, for no reason, is worse than the others.
I don't have an issue with how Bungie is making Master Raids. The problem is how they give rewards.
@Urazz agree on this its also good filler if you dont feel like running a certain gm for a particular week
@Urazz my idea is with the hallowed weapons have one set of perks have the fixed God roll and the second set random enhanced perks. With armor rolls no less then 62 and guaranteed 20 minimum on a stat in a weekly rotation. Artifice would be cool however a armor piece with 6 mod slots would be a but much.
Master raids should drop the age of triumph armor. And any non d1 master raid should have a better looking set of armor
That's intentional. You shouldn't be getting anything that's better from those activities because literally only 1% of players do it and they have no lives or money. There's no return on investment for the engineering/artist effort to be catering to people who have no jobs or money and spend 24/7 on the game. Those players will play Destiny 2 till the servers shut down.
@@overduetax so apt it hurts
My master take is that for me to run it I would love an ornament per challenge for the raid. Do the five challenges get a full set of armour.
With Final Fantasy, older content has a few things... if you're doing match made stuff, for example doing a Duty Roulette (random dungeon) the game forces you DOWN to the level of the content you're playing, so it'll always be a challenge, or at least not something you can really sleep through.
Any match made activity is like that in FF, if you want to make it easy cause you over level it, you select Unsynced... which lets you play any activity at your current level, but there is no match making. So if you want to take friends in, you gotta first make friends... or use the in game lfg.
No matter what, older content can still slap you around because you're still being forced down to a level where it wants you to be when you play. Now is that saying your gear isn't going to give you an advantage? No, by all means good gear is good gear. But health wise, and level wise, it drops you down where the game says "This is where you need to be to do this content, I'm MAKING you do it."
Destiny does that with the Legendary Witch Queen Campaign... I wouldn't mind seeing them implement that for the Strike Playlist on the whole as a testing ground...
Thing is, power creep in 14 is stupidly outrageous rn. Its never been easier to blaze through content on sync ever before. The game may have the option of syncing down to old content or even play it at MIL (Minimum Item Level), but our potencies from the endwalker stat squish are so busted that you just become a half-god compared to when the content released.
@@SayaKirasaka It was like that even before the EW stat squish, hardly surprised the squish didn't fix the problem.
@@SayaKirasaka What are you talking about? The inverse happens with stat squish in XIV. Dun Scaith's Diabolos HOllow will 1-shot tanks on spawn unless you invuln (Lv60 Alliance Raid) and certain Alexander TBs are now tank-swaps when they weren't before. Only 'power-creepy' thing XIV MAY have is in the form of kit-reworks in cases like Summoner, but I'm fairly certain the level-sync function trims that down significantly enough?
I don't think you fully understand how much FFXIV has changed over the years. Even if we get level synced our food stats/melds and potency of skills don't get get synched at all. Making every old content, even just half an expansion ago, an absolute breeze to go through. Even old Ultimates are becoming a cakewalk and glorified extremes, just need time dedication for them but DPS checks are hardly there anymore. Let alone the jobs that are balanced on 80-90, like RPR, SMN and SGE, have some really wonky potencies going on in lower level content. Level sync might be a good idea but the way FFXIV implements it is a very half-assed version of it sadly.
@@Eszoable Perhaps you're right. I thought it operated on a similar process to Destiny's scaling, which is to say "you will never scale over BiS of the appropriate level," except D2 does it by saying "you will effectively only do full damage with your gun when your score when is 15pts over the target's power, and you will never scale above that."
It is incredibly weird reading "half-assed" on XIV's scaling, when D2 reduces all scaling issues to rely upon gear score, though.
One of the most memorable things for me from the launch of Beyond Light were those really strong Brigs in the Europa patrol. They were a genuine challenge that had random players cooperating in patrol to take them down in a way I don't think we've seen since like, Escalation Protocol. There wasn't really a reward for taking them down but it was fun just doing so, to speak to your point about difficulty.
I thought light bearers would be the same like really strong and tanky but oh well they were chumps except in GMs
That always happens during expansion releases. Then come the next season and everyone can destroy those
Man I really really hope the Tormentors actually give me a feeling of fear and dread when I see them. I want to feel powerless and feel like my best option is to run away so that when I do kill the enemy it feels that much more triumphant.
One thing that makes Brigs really fun is that they don't start with a crit spot, so you're encouraged to use big explosives on them. This is D1 design in the best way.
I think you’re right about needing a horde mode. And I think that the point of it needs to be just a time sink. Instead of being timed to complete objectives, I’d like to see waves get more difficult as time goes on, while rewarding better loot. For example, you can start with a ton of red bars and normal Strike end chests, dropping some planetary materials and legendary shards. Slowly start making enemies more difficult and scaling the Light of the waves. Then we can get up to like 50 champions, massive bosses, yellow bar acolytes and thrall, dropping Adept Nightfall weapons, Ascendant Shards, tons of prisms and cores, and exotics. Take Escalation Protocol and dial it up to 11. But then at a specific threshold, it stops scaling the rewards. And like Master raids, it’s just for the love of the game and to shoot stuff. It would cater to the top 1% but not too much.
Then again, that would piss off the “300 kids, 10 wives, 150 jobs” crowd. So maybe not.
Seasonal burnout is real with season of Plunder. I was done after my 5th run of 6 man and 3 man activity. I'll be dipped if I continue to run this thing. Transmog might be my end-game this season.
Fashion will always be the real endgame
As far as the master raid loot goes, my clan and I have been talking about making armor ornaments drop from master raids, bringing back the old D1 ornaments especially for legacy raids would be a pretty easy thing to do without power creeping.
My hot take is this, Adept Raid weapons should have been the only craftable raid weapons there better then normal drops and it gives a reason to run master oh also drop there blueprints to 2 or 3. So the loop goes new raid try out weapons find what ones you like then do master to craft the good ones considering the people good enough to do master are the ones that mid max the most
I think that would have been interesting
Maybe have master raids gurantee an adept raid border at the end of the raid for a full clear to incentivise full clears instead of cps
@@Spartan-sz7km red box chest should give a second drop/ second chest on master. You get 1 from normal and 1 from hard each week
I've read somewhere that someone wanted the master ornaments (forgot what they're called) to transform your shaped raid weapon into its adept version.
For master raids, I want Bungie to make adept drops the normal encounter drops and for the challenge, you get a glowy armor piece ornament/mementos. That's incentive for players to take those on.
I personally don't think they would need to heavily incentivise a horse/endless mode. It would be a good spot to test things and farm catalysts/crafted weapons. You could also have a leaderboard if you wanted. To see how high of a wave people can get to
The autocomplete objective was a wake up call for me because it made realize how many destiny players don’t actually lfg enough to know how it works. I lfg’d a masterketch crash the 1st week it came out cause i wanted the loot. It makes you realize how many people aren’t used to these systems. I’ve been a regular lfg’er since the crota days and I honestly enjoy it sometimes because it’s excersize in both patience and teamwork
I don't LFG stuff like Master Ketchcrash because I value my time too much to run it, full stop... It's not worth it when you have stuff like Master Duality or Master Nightfalls.
@@dekkonot it’s not as necessary now but I ran it more early on for the weapons. There is still a reason to run it however because it drops ascendant alloy
There's also the possibility that a lot of them are solo players just saying "no" to the forced LFG for master ketch.
@@senounatsuru6453 I mean i think that was assumed by the fact most people who use lfg are solo players to some extent
I do use lfg regularly, but the success of Destiny is in it being an MMO lite. They need systems to be simple enough that anyone can use them and most players are not going to leave the game to play the game. Once they bring the LFG into the game next year I think they will get a lot more people using it.
Anyone know what gauntlets he’s using in the master ketchcrash segment?
I've been thinking about all the new enemies destiny adds in each expansion and then, just doesn't include them in endgame content? Stasis Fallen weren't in the raid, Hive Guardians are just in patrol spaces and story missions and also weren't in the raid. Hell, even Wyverns are pretty cool and are scary in nightfalls but they only appear in one strike. These are phenomenal ways to break away from Champions but it feels like they just aren't using these enemy types as much as they could be. Is that just me?
King's Fall is a reprised raid and Bungie is treating them as if they're snapshots in time.
Vow is Scorn, so no place for the newer enemies types.
DSC could have included stasis Fallen, but they may have had story reasons for not including them. I only did it once and am fuzzy on how it fits in the lore (if they weren't Fallen associated with Eramis, they wouldn't belong).
The one exception to this is wyverns, they are in Vault, but we haven't seen any other new content with vex since then, so there's no where for them to be.
You’re not the only one, I was just thinking about that a couple of days ago. The Lucent Brood is freaking cool but… where are they?
that aspirational content take is just,
wow
I love the idea of requirements or minimums in order to matchmake Master SEASONAL content.
I hear some loot incentives for Master raids to bring back the remaining weapons that weren’t brought to D2 (King’s Fall’s Auto, Shotgun and Rocket Launcher and VoG’s Fusion, Auto and Pulse), the D1 AoT raid ornaments, and hard mode armor (Harrowed, did VoG even have hard mode armor? I forgot).
I love the idea but if they were to incorporate this theme into future raids, especially the new raids - not reprised ones - then armor would be okay, raid ornaments would be okay. Maybe Vow Master mod could’ve received an Auto rifle, the hand cannon, machine gun, or maybe other weapons not available in normal. Given the state of the community I think they’d riot over locked content but oh well.
All of these would be a great incentive to play master but like you said, people would bitch and moan about it being locked behind hard content. I honestly hate how casual the game is now. I wish theyd add more hardcore rewards like this and add new mechanics for hard raids like in d1 and leviathan. Im fine with champions personally, i just hate how thats our limit for hard content. The game is boring now. It doesnt make me want to grind or get better. Its just "do your weekly bounties for brightdust, your pinnacles for light level, and your weekly "watch NPCs talk to eachother" for the seasonal story". The game isnt an "MMO RPG" if its more casual than minecraft is rn...
Having the armor ornaments from AoT would be spectacular.
@@KingOTanks it would be! Which sets were your favorite? Mine was either KF or VoG. Titan VoG was so good.
loreley is still a super strong exotic and I still use it for masters stuff and pair it with Well Of Life and it’s still keeping me alive as it did before nerf.
Only difference is that I can’t stand in front of hundreds of enemies thinking I can tank them all.
I’m glad it was fixed as well and people got super dramatic because they can’t just be bad at the game kek
I was someone who did master ketchcrash three times on each character so I didn’t mind the requirement because I got powerful loot while doing them. But I also understand people who were annoyed by it. Personally, I didn’t care that the 50 champions requirement got removed.
datto returns with a brand new opinion for me to have let's go 😈
Something like the haunted forest as a horde mode would be amazing, rewarding players the farther you go, giving lower skilled players rewards for clearing a few waves, maybe a big reward at 3 or 5, and then more of a resource to spend as you get further into the waves.
welcome back Datto, hope you had fun on vacation!
Agree with the topic of bringing up old content, I just don't know how many man hours Bungie would have to throw into it to get it done.
It would be absolutely hilarious though if we ever see the arms dealer strike have teeth in it. I can see that getting memed pretty quick if it came to pass.
People are way too over confident in player ability. Enough LFGs will show you how much people suck and don’t want to learn, it’s crazy.
The game is also insanely easy compared to how difficult they make this game. Nothing is this game is difficult outside of Day 1 raids, master raids, and GMs. Nothing, and I mean nothing outside of those are of any difficulty people just don’t want to actually try.
Master raids aren't even all that difficult if you're close to on level and run endgame viable builds tbh. It's only hard if you're not prepared to deal with everything that master mode brings to the table, which is basically just the ability to stay alive and stun champs.
Everybody was laser focused on the "Ketchcrash" part of that quest requirement and thought you HAD to do it, but you could just do hero nightfalls and get about 10 per run easily.
Yea that's what I done was finished in 30 mins
I love how datto can straight up give his opinions and not give a damn even if its against the majority of the community's opinions. Sigma male moment
Not really, as he said in the divinity video that he actively holds back opinions that do not align with the casual community as he doesn’t want to deal with the inevitable vitriol that comes with said opinions
I appreciate his comments as well
@@amarioguy Yeah that is true, but all im saying is if he ever says fuck it and doesn't hold anything back. Run for the hills. And even if we got different options, not worth sending any bs death threats. Its a game and we just trying to play it. :>
Why would you care what other people in the D2 community think about your opinion?
He paints his nails. Soft takes
That harrowed zaouli’s at the end was just beautiful
We need more quests! (like zero hour, whisper of the worm and stuff! )
I love watching last season's thoughts and multiple ppl love to essentially say "the seasonal model is to old and bland, we need some changes to it" while also hearing those same ppl say things like this "seasonal story mission is not where I look for intense quest completion requirements" at this season.
they heard you, but it didn't matter.
I'm liking these DattoRantsDestiny series lately. Keep it up
I mean that's been the channel since Day 1, because Bungie makes it really easy content
20:25 - I think the Zaouli’s Bane (Harrowed) icon is bugged lol
I saw something where someone said that master raids should rewards glass needles (from D1) allowing you to reroll exotic armour stats. This would make master raids more rewarding and lost sectors grinding less painful. I'd imagine the cost for rerolling exotic armour to be very high requiring you to do at least a full master raid (or the equivalent, as in 5x encounter completions) to reroll your exotic once or you only get the glass needles if you do a full master raid completion (you buy a nightfall card, think trials card, and it keeps track of the encounters you have done) which then rewards you with enough materials to reroll maybe twice but this would make it so you can't just farm the shortest encounter. Oh and you can only get the glass needles from the most recent released raid.
That zaoulis Bane roll at the end was cracked.
Yea but the crafted version is better 😂
For master raid it unlocks the AoT ornaments. Completing a full master raid unlocks the glows similar to trials of Osiris for a week or two. Boom people run it for the fashion
Well, Bungo has stated that they will rework some of the old strikes in Season 20. Hopefully its not just "add more champions" and "Boss has 5x health now" but instead lightbearer hive, tormentors or some other difficult and not annoying stuff.
5x health holy shit hahah that would be terrifying and fun
Finished that quest by running a lost sector multiple tines plenty champions. And that counted also
Man you didn’t run to twitter and cry and actually handled your business. Good on you king
Been binge watching old datto videos so when I saw this in my feed I was like “oh I don’t remember this one”
Here are my ideas for Master raids,
-Age of Triumph armor - just port from D1 please bungie
-Emblem
-Shader/Raid Momento
-Some sort of crown or physical appearance change when completing master raid, or perhaps when equipping emblems, like trials does
-One or two exclusive weapons with some more potent loot pools - these weapons wouldn’t necessarily be better, but just have more godrolls and just be a flex - this could easily be done for the destiny 1 raids since there are a few weapons that just didn’t get ported over
-taken king ghost shell please bungie
At the end of the day I totally agree that the population numbers in master content are not that high. But you have to ask yourself why? There can be many reason but at the end of the day I think it’s mainly tied to incentive. If there was more incentive it would get a larger portion of the community to be invested in master content, setting it as a goal since the loot is sought after. For example look at trials. Trials used to be a shit show about a year ago and it was mainly the sweatiest of the sweats playing because they just liked trials. Then bungie reworked trials, made loot more accessible, made new loot, re worked the system, and now the trials population has sky rocketed compared to where it was before. At the end of the day destiny players love loot and love to flex it, bungie just needs to capitalize on that to bring more players to master raids. Everybody always says fashion is the Destiny endgame for a reason, it doesn’t have to OP power crept gear.
Yo that Zaouli's at the end was kinda nuts
I swear I would do a master raid if they made some armor cosmetics for it. Age of triumph armor was sick and had me do some of those back in D1
As someone that always does the master raid and challenges the one thing I would really like to have is just enhanced traits on the adept weapons.
I think part of what caused King's Fall reaction is that even by Master standards, it felt like they went up a notch with the amount of Champions. Which, to be honest, is probably one of the few ways they can challenge us with our current power level. With that said, for as much as I don't mind being challenged combat-wise, it does feel like some things are a bit too much with King's Fall. For the most part, the Warpriest challenge mode.
Truth be told, chip away at the ads isn't that much harder, even in Master difficult. Totems felt more difficult, in that sense. While there you are pretty much in the open, with Warpriest, you can pretty much just stay at plates and kill things with a bow or something. But the actual challenge has so many frustrating things halting it. Lack of heavy ammo, lack of special ammo, latency messing up with the timer (both for who is counting and for the person who needs to get the aura), a restricted loadout due to the presence of Champions, and on top of that, one of the toughest damage walls currently present in the game. You need to be quite well optimized to deal with everything. Should a CHALLENGE in a MASTER raid ask that much from the players? Maybe. But if that's the case, I wish there was some other option as well. Specially when power creep takes us more and more towards this kind of design on high-level content.
I'm a bit tired of going into a raid and instantly evaporating everything in sight. Beating Atraks-1 on Day 1 is one of my fondest memories of Destiny, and coming back to it a long time after getting my seal done and not really touching it ever since, it felt so disappointing that people nowadays can instantly delet her without even tocuhing the mechanics. Not even builds are any fun when everything is dead before their engine gets going. But I also wish we had something that allows for more freedom of approach then what Warpriest challenge has been like. Where I need to actually think to play and show some level of mastery of the mechanics, but not to be so well optimized that it feels restrictive.
I had some good fun with Master Vow, but even that feels something people will rarely actually want to play week to week. Specially if you are talking about Exhibition Challenge. Which I still felt more in control of and had more fun with than the Warpriest challenge, but is still quite taxing for non-A teams and below. Hard Mode felt much more approachable in Destiny 1 than Master has been on Destiny 2, and I would like to see something at that level of difficulty here too. Something that someone between B- and A- can have some semblance of challenge, but without it being overbearing. Because right now, it feels like Destiny has pretty much two modes. F- and A+, maybe S for some really insane stuff.
Welcome back man! Happy you got some rest!
elitist datto is fucking dead. in his place we have conformist datto: "be thankful bungie is being generous enough to make master mode raids at all"
That Zaouli's Bane you got at the end of the video is the sunshot at home roll
LOVED the takes and reality checks. You just don't miss do you
The champion quest/challenge mentioned was in fact champion STUNS, which makes it a lot more different. I just loaded into a Legend lost sector, and stunned the same Overload champ 50 times, it took me all of 10-15 minutes
happy to see you back, datto. hope you and danielle had a good time
As a generally non-raid (and by extension definitely not a master raider), would tying the master raid triumphs to raid exotic bonus chances similar to heartshadow and duality make doing them more appealing?
Significantly. I got lucky with getting Touch after only 20 clears, but friends of mine had almost 80 clears in Deep Stone before they got Eyes. Most people I know got Heartshadow within 15 clears AND they actually wanted to work for the title because of how everything was linked
@@DrunkenSquirrell thanks for giving the insight! Glad to know that I'm not completely off-base conceptually!
Thank you Datto for forming my opinion for me. I lost the ability to think for myself after tuning into one of Leopard’s streams, and your videos help alleviate my suffering.
regarding matchmade master seasonal activities, I wouldnt mind. I started using the d2 app lfg for stuff like master ketchcrash and it's been okay. Some extra UI in game when launching 6-player, master-mode activities to show how many weapons of each element type, and how many anti-champ weapons (with mods!!) players have equipped. So you see that your group has f.ex 2 void weapons, 5 arc, and 7 solar weapons, with 3 people having overload, and 4 people having antibarrier. That way you can hopefully prevent loading into activites improperly equipped, preventing frustration, since in matchmade activities you won't be communicating and strategizing your loadout with your team.
On the last point you harped on: they ARE doing that starting with Lightfall, retuning strikes came up as part of the expansion's content push, I have no doubt they will likely expand on that soon after.
The last segment of this video is very important and I understand how much of an issue this is? The content is truly stuck in the past, where everything else is moving forward. Can’t wait to see your next video about this topic.
The 50 champions was like a d1 exotic quest😂
idk about master KC but Guardian Games proved that random matchmade players can at least _stumble_ through higher difficulty nightfalls.
As fun as ×2 Restoration Loreley was, just eating absurd amounts of damage; but I fully agree with the nerf. It made things TOO easy, however it is still quite strong and keeps your ass alive most the time. Sunspots bestspots.
This game in it’s entirety is too easy.
the best part of the video was the explosive payload incandescent zhaouli's bane drop at the end. not to say the video was bad but goddamn that gun is so hot.
I love the Master difficulty raids. I hate the lacklustre rewards.
@@Barn80 I’ve been saying this. D1 mechanic changes from hard mode with the D2 res system. Prestige Levi did hard mode perfect but yet again the problem with it was lackluster rewards that made it not worth running so nobody did.
Glad you had a great vacation. Thanks for the recap of all the news, since I took a similar break from Destiny. As for your discussion of PVE content and incentivizing hard content, completely agree. The skill of completing a raid is what we look for. Not the endless grind. It's why I'm on the verge of walking away into FFXIV to finally have a narrative that will endure for a full year or more. Destiny is fun but the piecemeal story and grinding for pinnacles every season does take its toll. So thanks for all the videos and analysis. Keep up the great work and stay safe. :)
My favorite part of the casuals freaking out about "50 champion kills" for the story progression is that you literally didn't have to kill any to get it. I loaded into a master ketchkrash and my teammates got the champ kills for me.
I would like to see adept weapons having a Hard light or Borialis swapping firing modes, but instead it swaps the primary perk being used. Could be interesting. Especially if it stacks
I want to believe they're experimenting with new mechanics, like that tormentor(if that's what it's called) coming in lightfall, but I agree they need to buff older content now that the 3.0s are set.
Master raids could use more cosmetics like Age-of-Triumph style ornaments, maybe a cool memento for crafting purposes, and maybe give the adept guns enhanced perks (or at least make them start with normal perks but they turn into enhanced perks after an extra expensive masterwork which requires ascendant alloys at the final increment instead of just enhancement cores as usual)
I hate the seasonal dlc delivery style, killed the game for me. People complain about droughts but I’d rather just play a different game during droughts and get higher quality content more sparsely.
My only problem with the nerf is that the exotic still says improved restoration when that isn't the case anymore, i personally don't see any reason to use that anymore
I agree, I think it's worthless compared to Hallowfire, Heart of Inmost light, or even phoenix cradles. They're all better than Lorely now
In most content, I kind of find it funny, as in technicality, we’re supposed to be this strong against everything with the power we have🤣 it’s similar to how the Dragonborn in Skyrim is supposedly able to level mountains and destroy entire towns in a shout
Thank you for your thoughts Datto! Great listen!
I’d really love for the nightmare/empire hunts to be revitalized in particular for more nightfall-level difficulty. So many iconic enemies from D1. Giving them their own playlist would also allow for old strike-exclusive armor to make a resurgence and introduce new armor based on Eramis’ old allies. I might be the only one who wants to see this happen but I’d like to hear from others on this.
Nightmare hunts being relevant would also where the Shadowkeep title more reasonable to get as well. Rn you just aren't going to get those speedruns done for the title
Exotic armor crafting should be a thing or rerolling with keeping the same stat number. Lost sectors are not rewarding enough. Please bungie.
My thoughts:
Gear power should be based on the max level of any item in that slot. If I have a Calus Mini Tool drop at 1580, I think a sunshot in my vault that I haven’t infused so it’s at 1350 should be treated equivocally as 1580 in most/all content. Same for all armor slots. It creates the drive to complete pinnacles but reduces the frustration of infusing specific gear, as that’s a big limiter of buildcrafting.
I also think most content should do like Haunted Leviathan and bring up the power of anyone not at it.
Let me try a master nightfall even if I’m 1500 power, and just set me 20 power under or something. It would require extreme work to complete, and would hedge on buildcrafting and tactics to work, but would still be doable.
Honestly I hate grandmasters have light minimums. If I have a perfect build, champion mods, and a group, I should be able to enter at the already-appointed minimum light level it sets you at. I shouldn’t have to exp farm to even be able to do one
Just put the contest-modifier in GM's and cap everyone 20 lvl under. Noone would have to mindlessly grind anymore for doing GMs every season (although that would reduce playtime by a lot which Bungo probably doesn't like)
I agree with you on the light level comment, I'd like to move to slot leveling first and just see how that goes. But I can also understand the argument from some folks that just say "no light on gear" and just have the artifact. I don't think I want to go as harsh as that last statement yet. I'd just like to see how slot leveling would work out first. Plus it would be nice to just eliminate the need for upgrade modules.
Hot Take: What if they brought back the D1 raid intrinsic weapon traits from VoG, Crota, etc. into the Master Challenge weapons. I feel like there should be tiers to weapons. Ex. You get a Zaoulis Bane drop from the normal difficulty and that’s what you get a normal hand cannon with those perk traits. Then crafting that weapon will allow you to choose whatever perk traits you want on that weapon along with enhanced perks. Master weapons ex. You get the Zaoulis Bane but this time you get the normal random rolls obviously but there is an intrinsic trait added, like bonus damage to Knights or Wizards along with the ability to add adept mods. Master challenge weapons will allow you to get double perk slots. Crafting the Adept/Harrowed version of the weapons will allow you to have enhanced double perk traits along with the intrinsic bonus. Crafting the Adept/Harrowed will only take 1-2 patterns instead of 5 for the normal version of the weapon. Doing challenges on Master will have a 33% chance to get a redborder weapon. Normal challenge will be a 25% chance. Drop comments below for replies so we can discuss negatives and positives. P.S. Make crafted weapon costs free after purchasing that trait. Think Datto said something about the free cost after purchasing the trait that way you can swap traits for different content. Long comment but yeah…
Edit: Another hot take along with the challenge for the week that specific encounter allows the enemies to have the Iron Modifier only on Elites/Mini-boss enemy types. Same for Master although in Master there will be more Elites/Mini-boss enemy types. Since Bungo doesn’t want to change Master raid mechanics there will be limited options to making the content a little more difficult besides saying hey you can’t stand on the same plate until everyone else has. If this actually becomes a thing the intrinsic trait for the raid weapons will become more viable as you might do more damage or will be able to stun Elites/Mini-bosses with your legendary weapon as if you had an anti-champion mod equipped.
Adept weapons from raids should be craftable, this way the pinnacle content would have pinnacle loot, which is slightly better than the standard one but only relevant to the minmaxers (aka the ones running Master Mode). The tier system would look like this
Master Mode (Crafted) Adept
Match made raids do exist. Guided games I do them semi frequently ie a few times a week.
Hope we start getting exotic quests with each season again instead of it being tied to dungeons. I loved the Ager's quest. To me, S16 and 17 felt a bit empty without them
Edit: Forgot S16 had Vox Obscura... that activity was a miss for me though.
Are the recommended light levels (e.g., 1590) with the seasonal artifact or without?
Nah bro don't apologize for this, you're right on so many levels we are to stronk to the point where stuff isn't made around us being this strong. No doubt lightfall will bring some good stuff but the whiplash of going back to the same old activities we'll doing for another year is just gonna keep makin my neck hurt till Bungie does something about it, love ya Datto and I hope we will see this eventually cause if they are gonna do something about it it'll be a long time till then
Are crafted enhanced perk weapons better than the same roll on an adept weapon? I didn't realize you could buy adept weapons at the end of master raids once you've unlocked them, but not sure if it's worth the spoils to try and get a 5/5 god roll when you can craft an enhanced version of the regular gun.
Should Loreley now grant radiant on barricade cast?
YO?! how are you using Loreley and Aeon in the master Kings Fall footage?
I agree with many points you make in this video, I would disagree that Armor is living in the same space as the weapon and subclass systems. Armor is not stone-aged like many activities, but it has several ways it could be improved to better match the way that weapon acquisition has developed. Every armor piece being a complete 6-full-odds slot machine every single time is not modern enough yet.
Lorely had a description that reads improved restoration effects 😐 but it's x1 now not x2 so they need to change it.
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I had a idea and I'd like your thoughts on it. Since GM has adept weapons and dungeons artifice armour why cant master raids have both also let the adept raid weapons have douple enhanced perks.
The bigger problem with the Ketchcrash step was, there was literally no way to know in-game that one master Ketchcrash will cover the step because of some unknown multiplier.
I shouldn't have to go to Reddit, social media or RUclips to get the hot tip.
If the quest description clearly stated the multiplier or just straight up said finish one Master Ketchcrash then it would have been an interesting experiment to see how many went to LFG.
It would have still been rough for newer players who are underlight but maybe Master would be contest mode scaler and not purely LL.
i like these kinda vids where you just talk about stuff that's going on, ik its not suppose to be a news channel kinda thing but i like it
That HC at the end was a greeeeat roll. Great video overall 👌
How to incentivize master raids: Make armor and weapons look like Trials gear after a flawless run where you get the extra visual effects for the week. It doesn't need to be something super elaborate but at least it's a reason to go back into one.
I think for master raid they should double drop rate for the exotic at least
Have master raids require the encounter challenge to be completed, I think they would be a good middle ground between now and the new mechanics ppl want
To touch on the end part of the video: I wholeheartedly agree. A week or so before Witch Queen, I was talking to a lot of my friends about how the game is missing something, and they got me to realize that the game isn't hard anymore, especially compared to D1 in my eyes. Yeah, GM, Trials (for non sweats), and the like are tough, but that's for various reasons. I remember doing a story mission when Taken King came out that took my an hour, alone, to beat the boss of it, but it was sooo good feeling when I finally did it. Destiny, outside of the Legendary Campaign, is just way too easy. And subclass updates/upgrades didn't help that aspect.
"You are lucky to get content" "Players should just give up trying to get bungie to change shit mechanics" "Master Content is for the love of the game not for the rewards" What did he mean by this?
I just banged out the 50 champions in a couple runs of Heroic nightfall. A little excessive for a storyline quest, sure, but there were options outside of Master Ketchcrash.
Haha I finished half the step and didn’t play until day before reset and the step was completely gone and it was now telling me to do the mission. I was like yeah!!
13:22 is a hard disagree, add exclusive ornaments/momentos to master raids. No power creep or busted weapons. Just some fashion for our characters.