Did Fanatics Ruin Topps Finest?
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- With a longer checklist and a higher MSRP - are we buying 2024 Topps Finest?
We also preview other upcoming Topps releases - Topps Chrome Basketball (unlicensed?), Dynasty Soccer (could be HUGE), and Cactus Jack (totally pointless).
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Minor Correction: Jackson Merrill is not included in the “Uncommon” checklist. Just Common and Rare.
Also, no Mini Boxes this year. 6 packs with 10 cards each.
Finest looks like it went on a date with inception and had a kid. It has that inception paint stroke look.
Jeff here: I think that’s an apt description 🤣
@@chadl4357 nailed it!
Modern cards are getting crazy and costly 😮
@@4TheGame2016 💯💯💯
This is the truth
Cactus Jack will only ever be a WWE wrestler to me.
The design is a little busy for me, but don't hate it.
Seems like Topps Finest and Finest Flashbacks merged this year. I don't mind the tiers, but agree with the Super Fractors.
It would be cool if they made the RC's only the rare level though. Would maybe be some staying power with it then.
@@mnplumberman Chris here - love this idea!! Three different rookie cards ll with the same parallels just seems like overkill.
I agree!
I was certain that’s the Cactus Jack the boys were bringing up! No idea who this version is, guess I’m old 🤷🏻♂️
Not sure how I feel about the tiers, but it makes more sense for this than for Big League, which they also tiered. I don’t care about big league and I don’t rip it, but they essentially short printed rookies in the various tiers and it’s supposed to be a product for kids. Dumb.
@@cardyard608 you’re right! That makes no sense in a kids product! Why??
This is just a confusing set now. Chris here - I’m out of patience for this lol
If they can keep it clean like the 1999/2000 Topps Gold Label with the Class 1,2,3 that could be promising. Given where things are heading, I doubt it will be this simple and will make completing a set pretty much impossible. The design isn’t bad; if there is a McCutchen or Alonso to be had I may pick up singles later (After the inevitable price drop) on the secondary market. As always, a great video 👍👍
@@Briguycollectables Chris here - If there’s one thing we can assume it won’t be, it’s simple. Or clean.
Tier are great for set builders. It's just that the price per box is too expensive to actually chase and build sets.
Great points! Probably will be much more affordable to buy 50 - 100 card lots of base cards on ebay.
You guys have probably already seen this but the #d refractors are serial numbered differently depending on what level they are so not all golds are out of /50 not all reds /5 etc.
Jeff here: Oh man, just what we needed, more confusion about numbering!
@@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin yeah it seemed like they’re making something already confusing even more confusing.
@@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin yeah from what I’ve seen there will golds /50, golds /25 and golds /20. But then the reds are /10, /5 , /3 haha so I don’t know if that’s what they’re actually going to be but if so that’s confusing as hell.
@@andrewnixon7466 Chris here - this is making my head hurt.
Another set I'll never touch unless it happens to be in a subscription box. Which is also doubtful because I get cheap sub boxes. Not too long ago it was around 100 for a hobby box of Topps Finest. Again pre-COOF times.
Chris here - it's sad how collectors are getting priced out of product. It makes no sense.
Topps chrome Holliday Gold refractors have sold for around $500 on ebay. That may not even cover the cost of a Hobby jumbo Box!
Fanatics needs to return to reality before they lose people for good.
Yeah this is sad. Very few boxes are under $100 anymore, hard to justify opening packs of any product.
No mini boxes. Just one box the size of a tribute or HTA box with 6 packs in each and 10 cards in each pack. Yes cards have serials. I saw blue to /99 and orange to /25.
@@oppotacos9229 thanks! Looks like different tiers have different serial numbers because complicated baseball card sets are fun?
@@SpitballinCards Lmao right
I agree with Scott. Finest looks and feels like something straight out of Panini.
Chris here - unfortunately, its starting to trend that way for some reason. What a shame. It used to be such a cool product.
I really don't get the parallels at all...seems like green refractors are /75 for common, /35 for uncommon and /25 for rare. It's so confusing. Ultimately that will decrease the collectabilty of the product.
Sadly, I think you're right. The consistently of Golds /50 and Reds /5 is one thing that keeps them in such high demand.
Absolutely. Inconsistency is a killer for collectibility.
Fanatics has ruined everything. I need to step in and save this hobby
@@purplerainsportscards8472 Chris here - they’re not making anything better. Not yet at least.
Travis Scott release is a fanatics fest exclusive. 1000 boxes made. Lottery type system in order to buy. If you get picked you have opportunity to buy a box. Same with the topps chrome hobby exclusive boxes with the skyline parallels.
Thanks for the info!
@@nunzi83 chris here - if I get picked do I HAVE to order a box???
Topps Finest.... interesting.... but at $300.... well no rips for me... but I might look for a few refractor singles for my PC. Remember Gold Label had a similar 3 tier system for all the checklist? I really liked having some of those in my collection. I'm on the line about the design... It's so busy. I loved some older years of Topps Finest.... we will see if this grows on people.
@@markinnes4264 Chris here - some
Of the autos designs look good, but the price point is ROUGH.
There’s a crazy amount of over printing going on now. They’ve created a far bigger bubble than the wax era and when it pops a lot of modern collectors are going to lose their shirts.
chris here - I can't argue this. Sooooo many parallels and junk autos. If Fanatics fails to grow the hobby like they want, landfills are going to be full of Aqua Ray refractorts.
Especially with SO MANY sets being produced, most of which collectors don’t/won’t care about.
IS that a picture of Buttons behind you Scotty Bodacious?
It's a Buttons parallel of /10..... :)
I love the analogy to the Kmart, ToysRUs, KayBee sets from the 80s.
With them doing tiers in Finest, I wonder if this means they will not be doing Topps Gold Label this year (since that set uses tiers, called classes). My personal opinion is the Finest set is squeezed by other and honestly better sets (both more expensive and lower price options). This used to be the highest end product in the 90s, but now its a meh mid-tier product that doesn't have a niche anymore. FYI, they no longer have a mini boxes, and the parallels have different numbering between tiers (which I hate).
@@TheProfessorsDugout Chris here - your last sentence fills me with rage.
@@TheProfessorsDugout still Chris - I love those little box sets! I still have some and I put them in pages. I remember being a kid and so happy when my parents would buy me one. Core memories.
We opened two last night. It was fun. Got nice autos. Yount gold auto, Holliday to 50 , and noice looking Ellys
Chris here - CONGRATS!! Sounds like you got a couple great cards! Was the Yount a Finest Moments insert?
You beat the odds! Sounds like some nice autos!
@@SpitballinCards
It was just a gold I beleive. I know I got lucky and still didn’t get my value probably back but it was fun.
@@timmccray7507 fun counts!!
Topps finest is a no for me, don’t like the look of the cards, too pricey. Topps Chrome Basketball, is also a no, can’t get behind the non licensed cards.
Jeff here: have seen some of those and they look pretty bad to me. Just wait until they get the license!
@@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin Exactly
@@deanwilson7070 this Lu d of feels like a rough draft. Or a test run for chrome basketball.
I agree. I have a hard time buying Donruss baseball since they're unlicensed as well. Yeah the price is better than Topps but I just don't like blank jerseys and hats
@@snkrheadndaatl77 It just looks lame. Truly. And the resale value just wont be there. But if you're looking to rip something cheap...
Fanatics has absolutely ruined the hobby for collectors. For gamblers, breakers and sneaker bois, Fanatics has been great. I bought a case of 2024 Topps Chrome to rip. I pulled some great cards but lost $2000. I'm done buying boxes/cases and will now just focus on my two PC players. Oh well. We all have to adjust.
Oh man, sorry to hear about that brutal loss. It is becoming untenable for regular collectors to open wax. Disappointing.
people can like whatever they want. I will never own an unlicensed card without an on card auto.
@@TR-ry1xv Chris here - agreed. There’s plenty of stuff for all of us!
I’m with you and on card autos. I can’t stand a sticker.
Super fun product for breakers - tough rip as a single box for collectors.
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Nothing is off limits, even Caldor came up hahaha love it!
haha - chris here, that was in a shopping center with Toys R Us when i was kid. So many rack packs to search!!
My problem with this set is they are ugly to me. Design way too busy no focus on the player!
@@frankschneider9040 Chris here - I agree! 2010-2012 the designs were great but just too busy now!! Like it’s trying to be Bowman’s Best.
Those Messi Cards look amazing, Aint gonna lie!
Chris here - they do look really good! Do we need NINE 1/1's though??
I guess we'll find out!
One 1/1 would be the perfect amount of 1/1's 🤣👌💯
They have oil spills and then numbered oil spills. I'm so happy I didn't buy cards anymore...it's just throwing money away opening packs.
Chris here - this product is giving me a headache!!
THanks for watching!
Yeah the high prices take a lot of the fun of opening packs away.
T-Pot almost single handedly started the Dynasty craze earlier this year. And it hasn’t slowed down
Topps should put a mini box inside a mini box that is then inside another mini box with 60 packs inside. Let the excitement build. lol.
@@SportsCardJungle 😂😂😂😂
Chris here - Rick and Morty reference? A simulation inside a simulation inside another simulation!
@@SpitballinCards I was actually thinking of it like when your give someone a birthday gift and put tiers of smaller boxes inside a giant outside box to give the impression that you bought them something extraordinary because "the bigger the box, the better the gift", but whatever way you want to see it. It's all an illusion.
@@SportsCardJungle 😂😂😂
My two cents is that I absolutely love products that do the tier system RIGHT. court kings does it right. 1. You need to have each tier be very unique and easily identified, especially at first glance before learning the set. 2. Each tier can’t have every parallel they should only be on the rare tier or have it so the most common parallels go with the common and the most rare parallels go with the rare.
After seeing the product Topps failed miserably at both of these. The tiers all look identical and they all have the same 900 parallels. So this product is a major swing and a miss however it has the potential to be awesome.
Again I love Court Kings for my basketball PC and to stick with panini examples i despise Select more than any product ever made (only a slight hyperbole)
@@stefan9229 the same parallels in each tier seems like such a bad idea!!
Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@SpitballinCards awesome love the ahow
Jeff here: thanks for watching and for the thorough description of how to do tiers the right way! 💪🏼
When I hear the name Cactus Jack I don't think of Travis Scott. Bang, Bang!
Chris here - me neither! I think of these tasty margaritas at our Grocery Store.
Agree on TF - watered down (check list 3x) and too costly.
@@cshecks yes and yes!
Thanks for watching!
It was cool with gold label, not with finest.
@@XGenMovies chris here - I don’t like change
365 on the big sellers websites! Hard pass at that price.
@@TheCardDeal Chris here - yep! Immediate pass
Sheesh
@@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin Update....get in the "waiting" link and they are 250 a box, I am back in lol. Just checked my email. At that price I love Finest, a 1993 original chrome product that I hope to God Fanatics never changes or gets rid of it.
That the / is missing in the checklist, is it possible they are not serial numbered?
@@stueystuey1962 with topps anything is possible. We’ll have to see when cards start getting posted and ripped.
Cards have serial
@@stueystuey1962 it looks like different tiers have different #/. So that’s fun.
The finest changes seems like they are Beta testing the format concept for when they take over football.
@@TR-ry1xv Chris here - you may very well be onto something here.
Its Topps gold label was tiered also
@@zachguarino yep!
Thanks for watching! 🍻🍻
I was planning on picking up a box of finest based on last year’s price, but with the massive price increase, I’m out.
Chris here - I don't blame you at all. I might check out some singles.
@@SpitballinCards I went to my LCS yesterday looking for Leaf Trinity and they had Finest boxes for $280. I almost reconsidered.
@@MPsCards under $300 is better.
But still not many cards in this set will sell for over $280 by September.
@@SpitballinCards That's not my concern.
Soccer Dynasty boxes will prob be over 2500 a box within a week of release. And could approach 4-5k a box in a short time
@@nunzi83 Chris here - nothing would surprise me. I mean, there are NINE 1/1’s!!
cactus jack will be available only at Fanatics Fest
@@JeffreyMacDonald-vl5px Chris here - I can’t add that to a reason I wish I could attend.
Thanks for watching!
Smart to keep it limited!
Hate the Finest design this year. Couldnt afford it as a kid, still cant now. Passing
Chris here - I don't blame you. The 2010-2012 designs just look better and better with this new look.
Jeff here: agree on design and price is way too high
I really hope they don’t do this to Bowman’s Best.
@@Sportscardwhatever 😬😬😬
They ALREADY ruined Bowman’s Best by removing the Atomic Refractor!!
@@305CardCollector that’s true but at least the checklist format has remained unchanged for so many years. This change in Finest doesn’t bode well for a similar product like Bowmans Best.
It's Topps making Select, which I wouldn't hate if it was a new product.
@@justinmusgrove2548 Chris here - I’ve read that similarities and it’s just not for me. But if people love it, great! But is Select $300/box??
@@SpitballinCards at least. Possibly more.
@@justinmusgrove2548 and people buy it?!
@@SpitballinCards it's actually about 5-600 a box. I wouldn't buy either product at 300 or 600, but it's definitely one of three most popular/wanted panini products that you can also find in retail.
@@justinmusgrove2548 Thanks for the info! Sounds insane to me. How does anybody afford to collect multiple sports??
Things that make me mad: Scott not being on the show, Scott talking too much (about relief pitchers), Chris questioning Judge´s greatness, Jeff talking too little, Phil, 16-minute long show
@@mauriciobori 😂😂
oh man, that’s a long list!!
Chris here - I feel like I’ve acknowledged Judge’s greatness. Hard to argue against it. As for the rest, I can’t help you.
Things that make me sad: not getting mentioned 😢
Jeff here: I get paid by the word, so budgetary constraints have limited me. Until we lock in that big sponsor Phil keeps promising, anyway.
It says the topps cactus jacks is cosmic chrome x cactus jack, will we still be getting normal cosmic?
@@benjaminjohnston2822 Chris here - good question. We’ll have to wait and see.
@@SpitballinCards Hopefully not cosmic is a great product people love but only time will tell. Hoping we still get it! 🤞
@@benjaminjohnston2822 After they canceled my favorite set - Stadium Club Chrome - who knows what else will go down.
I think the "cactus jack" thing is from a very successful and valuable set of castus jack toys in McDonald's happy meals.?.? I know, very weird but it was a thing...
@@Gram72534 Chris here -🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
“Another pointless card?” If someone likes it and cherishes it, it’s not pointless. So what if it’s not “investment” material?
Chris here - if someone cherishes it, then that's great! But none of these cards will be free and the cost just keeps rising while the value keeps dropping.
@@SpitballinCards that’s the thing. My chase this year is Davis Schneider. Will his cards have value? It depends on who you ask. These cards are not for sale. They may be penny cards to most, but not me.
The Ben Baller cards. I dig the way they look. I snatch them up in my team when I can because I like the look. “Another pointless card?” To you, maybe. However there are collectors who want more than just refractors or gold refractors - what we’re told we’re supposed to like.
Fanatics has a new slogan: May the odds never be in your favor!! : ( Hunger games!
😂
Huge negative on Finest is the auto checklists. Absolutely massive. Big increase from the past year or two and a ridiculous increase from 8 years ago.
Also. There’s no mini boxes this year in finest.
@@nunzi83 yep! That just means they’re printing more and more and more. Which stinks.
There is 1 box, no mini boxes.
Gotcha! Thanks!!
Rarity only matters for base cards... and base cards don't matter to the hobby anymore. Auto checklist is far too big with way too many players who are not the "finest". I will not be touching this product as a rip... and singles, I dunno - looks like last year's Masterpieces insert from Bowman's Best... Positive - the new configuration is nice.
So true on the auto checklist
Yeah agreed. Might want to rename the product since the move to 300 includes a lot of the non-finest players.
No mini boxes this year…Stryker just ripped some
@@cardyard608 how do they look?
@@SpitballinCards I thought they looked good. He said the WC looked good- always tough to see that on a video. Lots of x-fractors…
The K-Mart card set comp was Spot On!
Jeff here: I loved those sets as a kid!
@@Blabbin_Bout_Slabbin Guilty as well!
I have that Toys R Us Bo Jackson rookie card that @baseballcardaddict almost mentioned lol
@@TR-ry1xv YES!! Chris here - there’s an early Bo, a Canseco and I think a Bonds in there too. Love those cards!!
“They are copying Select”that’s exactly it 😂
I don't collect it at all, but man those Dynasty soccer cards are incredible looking
400 for 60 cards lololol for a mid product smh fanatics is going all in on breakers only // to make the 300 card set you need to buy 5 boxes at 400(if no doubles ) 2k set lolol smfh they expect kids to get into this? way to 10x the hobby rubin smfh
@@vendora1 ridiculous price point
Oil spill refractor???? 😂
Not the best name for a parallel. Is the background a burning BP platform or a sinking Exxon Mobile ship??>
Right!? sponsored by Big Oil!
My dogs, lil negative today....why so serious? ( joker voice) let's count our blessings, good things 2 come, nobody cares about finest anymore anyway, it's almost as relative as bowmans best.....all good
Chris here - we probably were a little negative, but I get concerned when a set "nobody cares about" comes out at $300/box!! People will buy it and lose a lot of money. I hate to see people get screwed because it makes them more likely to ditch the hobby!
There is much to be happy about with the hobby, but hard to positive about the new products coming out - especially at these prices 🤬😭
I absolutely hate modern Finest except for 1993 baseball and 1996 basketball.
@@tubenachos Chris here - take a look at 2011. Beautiful set. Seriously. One of my favorites of the last 15-20 years.
Could you guys do a video on fanatics fest?
@@daveg5173 Chris here - I don’t think any of us can get to it. But hopefully we can get reactions from others.
@@SpitballinCards
Gotcha, maybe post fanatics fest you can compare to national
Its 249 on topps i pre-ordered 4 and they are live at 9am so best price is on their website, i personally liked the color splashi look which is what sold me
@@bellmusick chris here - I saw it on blowout at $329 and selling on eBay at $300.
Yea, I've noticed that, that's really wild, I've only got my boxes from topps so far, I'm going to look at what my LCS has it for out of curiosity and maybe open a box at his shop, I'm a junky for ripping packs, when I know damm well it's better to buy singles lol. 😅
@@bellmusick it’s fun! Maybe a little addictive…
I skipped pristine it was too close to this sale and the look didntappeal@as much, what did you think about it?@SpitballinCards
@@bellmusick Chris here - I skipped it as well.
I’m mostly Topps, Topps Chrome, Bowman Chrome and some Stadium club for fun.
I will pass. Price isn't worth it. Maybe I will buy singles that I find attractive.
Seems like the smart move
Chris here - agree 100%
Thanks for watching!
More cards, more sales for Fanatics. More greed. Yay.
@@dominatorbooze8381 it’s pretty transparent - you can see the thought process behind it.
T pot showing no issues with fanatics anything. Pretty apparent he has to be careful with the cards hq partnership with fanatics
You mean "The 3 Jackson's" right Phil? Merrill is the best Jackson, so no disrespect will be tolerated. :)
hahaha - chris here, yeah Merrill has been the best Jackson so far! No arguments here!
Not so fast though! Chourio has been balling. Has 11 multi hit games in his last 15 including 3 tonight. His avg is up from about .200 to over .270!
The 2 Jacksons are about even with WAR, so it will be a fun showdown for the next 7 weeks!
As a collector i would say without hesitation, hell yes to all of topps products! ,They are just another greedy company that has come into a buisness where they don't belong.Shame on topps for letting the transaction to take place!
Nope cactus jack has been and will always be Mick Foley
@@richardbianco9674 thanks for watching!
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It's a 💯 hard pass for me. Don't like the design at all 🤮
Jeff here: Can't blame you
@@chadfrenna3912 🍻🍻🍻
Unlicensed garbage.
Jeff here: pass for me as well
The product is overpriced and the cards don’t look good once again can’t Fans/Topps be creative.
Chris here - the price is a huge issue! I miss the designs of earlier Finest Sets, like 2010-2013.
Cactus Jack is the new lamer Aoki or Ben Baller garbage
Chris here - yes. exactly. And who's clamoring for more Ben Baller cards??
Jeff here: I’ve been told by some younger folk that THIS is a much bigger deal 🤷🏻♂️. At least it’s a limited thing with Fanatics Fest and not a huge print run.
So they can make a million more boxes its a rort
finest is copying prizm baseball. Prizm baseball literally says tier 1 11 111 on the back
Why do this!? Leave that to Panini
Chris here - Ugh. Not something to emulate!!
@@SpitballinCards i agree. Not a fan
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Oil spill refractor😂😂😂…How about an acne refractor or an AIDS refractor…euthanasia refractor? WW3 refractor. I need to apply I got a thousand of these gems.
The cactus 🌵 jack cards already the most valuable cards at the funatics Nycc show you guys are way off his shoes alone resell for 1,500 and retail at 220 maybe 🤔 try doing some product knowledge before making a video about it
Chris here - wouldnt be the first thing I've been wrong about, but let's check the value on these things in about 6 months.
Then feel free to throw some rocks at me.
Travis Scott killed a bunch of people at his concert? Seriously, this was an irresponsible take. I imagine he's probably not a big fan of yours either "T-Pott".
great to see yall bowing down and gobbling that fanatics johnson with topps football and basketball.
if fanatics didnt play social media nazi, maybe we would get the same honesty and feelings like with leaf and sage and blah blah.
the amount of people willing to hype these topps unlicensed cards is wild. “oh but theres wemby autos!!”
bs justification. expect it from someone affiliated with geoffy ’523 is separate from SCI’ wilson
Jeff here: I think Ty was talking about them as more of a preview for what’s to come for Topps Chrome when Fanatics gets the license?
As for me, the unlicensed cards are a hard pass. And it does seem like a money grab, I think they should’ve just waited until they got the license to release a product.
In this video I l definitively say how much I hate what they are doing with one of my favorite sets in Topps Finest. We can hate some things and like other things they do.
@@JeezyKeen Chris here - I don’t think any of us loved anything we talked about tonight!
Lmao Scottie the only guy who wasn't on his knees. Well done Scott.
The product is overpriced and the cards don’t look good once again can’t Fans/Topps be creative.
yes