coverkillernation I personally thought Rob Flynn's takedown of racism in metal was a very fresh thing to hear; do I seriously ultimately want metal finally associated with white supremacy? No.
The Blackening is the greatest metal album of all time. All the songs are brilliant and not a wasted second in any of them. I haven't been as keen on the previous two albums.
The Blackening is in my top 3 albums of all time, but I'm also starting to get into Through The Ashes Of Empires. Imperium, Bite The Bullet and Descend The Shades Of Night in particular are kickass tracks.
The Burning Red is a great album if you ask me. The hate it gets for being a nu-metal record is really unwarranted, but ya Supercharger was kind of bleh...
Same. I liked everything in The Burning Red. As Machine Head tried to hit the mainstream, like most Nu-Metal bands since it was THE thing, Machine Head was just too good, and still are too good to be Nu-Metal. As Supercharger was crap, I still liked Bulldozer, White-Knuckle Blackout!, Crashing Around You, Only the Names, All In Your Head, Trephination, Deafening Silence, and the two other bonus tracks.
I actually told Robb that The Burning Red was one of my favorites lyrically and that it got a bad rap. He was surprised and delighted by someone who is a long time fan.
1994-97- Groove metal 1998-2002- Nu-metal 2003-present- groove/thrash metal Machine Head deserve credit for weathering it out over 25 years. Sure, the band's music isn't on the same level as Slayer, Pantera or Metallica, but MH somewhat spearheaded the New Wave of American Heavy Metal.
Hellwyck Slipknot were thrown in the nu-metal sub-genre as the band relied on rap verses and samples. The band was more extreme than other American metal bands at the time, but nu-meta nonetheless. Biohazard had an influence on nu-metal bands. Although Biohazard is a NY hardcore band.
cabalofdemons *Slipknot were thrown in the nu-metal sub-genre* by idiots, yes *as the band relied on rap verses and samples.* Used, not relied. *The band was more extreme than other American metal bands at the time, but nu-meta nonetheless.* Yes, I know who they are and since their background was death metal - not numetal. *Biohazard had an influence on nu-metal bands. Although Biohazard is a NY hardcore band.* You really don't need to lecture me on Biohazard.
Machine Head did what very few did, they pulled off 2 absolutely perfect albums, the Blackening and Unto the Locust are like the Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning of groove
it's just one song, not the whole album is like that, rob made it to get radio play to spread the message, you can't say it's too bad. not the worst thing ever, but people who call it "pop garbage" are a bit dumb
never cared if a band has albums that cross genre's and seems to hop from one sound to another. I don't listen to a single compartmentalised genre I listen to a lot of variety, so why the fuck would anyone keep playing the same old thing over and over again.
That's right, man! If a band would stay in their same genre and music, they'll get hated. If a band always change, they'll still get hate. But the fact of the matter than Machine Head tried Nu Metal and one out of two albums were good, they got back to their original sound, but more conceptional and modernist - because they're better than Nu Metal, they're plain better as Groove/Thrash Metal band.
Here's a challenge: how about 5 reasons people hate Children Of Bodom? (I think it would be pretty hard to find 5 valid reasons. They're a pretty good group.)
Machine Head is not uninspired. Yes the first two albums was pretty much a interpretation of Pantera's groove, but they cearly did hid with their own, new handwriting. They had some much more complex songstructures than Pantera, sounded harder, had more ups and downs and more raising inside the tracks. Pretty much generated with the awesome complex drums and Robb's more diverse vocal-style. The rest you can call maybe a Pantera-copy, but at all was kicking me much more than anything from Pantera. I'm thankful for Pantera cause they was pioneering that genre, but Machine Head did much better afterwards, imo.
Eh, I disagree that the first two albums were an interpretation on Pantera. The closest thing to Pantera they had was the crushing guitar tone and maybe the use of whamy bars and pinch harmonics on some of the songs. Sonically, they had more in common with bands like Poison Idea and Neurosis. They had a sound that was a lot darker than Pantera's southern rock-inspired sound. On TMTC, they had hardcore punk sections all over most of the songs and were already shifting from that groove metal label.
@@antona.1327 But Robb told in older interviews Panterea would be one of the influences he was inspired by. I guess you can compare the latest stuff from Pantera very well to the very first stuff from Machine Head, like Walk and Davidian. They had very similar song structures, slow beats with brutal and repeating riffs and also the singing had a lot in common. For this period Pantera is applied as the founders of groove metal and that's what's Machine Head started with.
I've met Rob Flynn and Phil Anselmo and they both seemed very cool down earth people... but I think Robs biggest problem is he has a big mouth at times and he just needs to let the music do the talking. Burn My Eyes is an absolute classic and until Through The Ashes Of Empires they looked to be washed up. Getting Phil Demmel to work with him again was a great move and I don't think they have put out a bad album since.
@@wolfstar675 Every band or singer you name, somebody will just hate it. I don't now Robb Flynn, i don't now any band member... I just listen to the bands and like the songs or not. What they do with their lifes, I just can't care less...
Diane Daley stupid Band? You are stupid! You don't no anything about metal, it is a fucking great band and no other metal band is as good as Machine Head
Diane Daley stupid Band? You are stupid! You don't no anything about metal, it is a fucking great band and no other metal band is as good as Machine Head
I love the MH (fan since 94') but to me the first 5 albums seemed more real, or more genuine, yes that includes TBR and SC. I still like the recent records too (not the awful recent standalone single though!).
The song Davidian kicks ass and The Blackening I think does live up to the hype of it I personally love that album. Unto the locust was actually really solid as well but I didn't like their latest album.
I'm kinda thinking this dude does too much meth. Chill out. Maybe Machinehead has had their ups and downs, but they have such quality music, I wouldn't knock them. Live, They kill it. Love them. I don't agree with this guy at all. Sorry. Machine head has the most awesome melodies, hands down ..appreciate it!
I have dabbled in Machine Head off and on for years. While I don't hate the band, none of their music really grabbed me and made me a fan. I can say that the style changes are what kept me from becoming really invested in the band. But, I think it would be a good idea for me to start with Burn My Eyes and work my way up their discography. As for the whole Phil thing. Phil has been making racist remark and back paddling for years now. Hell, I remember various new bits on MTV back in the mid 90's where Phil was being called out about his racist remarks and actions. So I was glad to see Robb call him out. Just because you are in a bad does not mean that you are above scrutiny and should be allowed to get away with such negative behavior. More people need to step up to the plate like Robb did and call Phil out on his crap.
If you threaten people just because they speak against racism you are simply on the wrong track and Rob could probably not care less about you liking his band or not
I do enjoy Machine Head's first album. There's a big "Chaos A.D." vibe on that one and it was pretty important in inspiring groove/death metal albums like Obituary "World Demise" and Napalm Death's "Fear, Emptiness, Despair" (along with "Diatribes") to follow a similar route. I like a couple of their later albums too but that nu metal phase the band went through was a mess. Combine that with Rob's " lifetime Adidas supply/secret fangirl of Powerman5000" look just shows Rob to be a a bit musically inconsistent a a bit trend hippy. Jumpdafuck up Rob? no you need to jumpdafuck down man. Jumpdafuck down from bitching about Phil all the time.
i dont hate them, but just see a lot of groove metal in general being annoying compared to thrash or death metal. Metal Archives members call it ""half thrash" because it essentially splits thrash riffs in half. Plus the macho pseudo hardcore thing as far as vocals and attitude. YEah thrash had macho stuff but not in the same overly obvious cheesy way. I don't mind giving them a spin once in a while, but for groove metal i usually listen to Exhorder (As elitist as it sounds lol)
People hate them either for the fact that they changed their sound after The More Thing Changes, or for the fact that Robb is very outspoken on social media and has leftist political views and such. I don't give a shit, quite honestly. Hate The Burning and Supercharger (although I enjoyed them more when I was younger), but their new stuff kicks ass. And Robb's political views don't interest or bother me. There are also some detractors that hate the band for silly reasons. Like, for example, A7F fanboys jumped on hate bandwagon against the band (and Robb in particular) after Robb did his review of the Hail to the King album, in which he was pointing out what everyone was pointing out: Avenged Sevenfold simply ripped off the best rock and metal bands and blatantly tried to justify it as an "homage".
I've listened to every machine head song at least once and there isn't one song I actually dislike, they aren't a bad band if they are still around after 25 years
Machine Head are one of the few bands now days that know how to write great music. Mudvayne, Lamb of God, Machine Head, Chimaira. Put your skull through the wall.
machine head are the reason I got back into metal after a good 6 or 7 years away when I was into the rave scene. but when I eased out of that scene I was lost, and I heard supercharger on spotify and I was brought back to my younger years! this was about 5 years ago itself now and since then I've opened my eyes to so much more metal and can say I don't listen to machine head anymore, I am grateful for what they have done for me.
The first time I heard burn my eyes in the summer of 94 reminded me of Feb of 86 hearing master of puppets not that they sound alike not that they are remotely similar but the fucking way it captured my soul as a metal head . Dude you probably like whoever is winning in football huh? Man ride with us or collide with us I've been down since obituary/napalm death . an open mind with a clenched fist hey I'm a Broncos fan lol! In 1988 saw violence open for testament my nephew and I talked to Perry rob and Sean found out they were hungry went across a very busy Denver street and purchases 20 cheese b from macdy s our homage to vio lence fuckin rob remembered that shit and gave me some sic MH GEAR on burn my eyes stuck mojo wickerman fuckin love you Rob. I still think they shred but triple beam and out there Idk lol but goddamn now we die fuckin locusts choice metal!!
Personally, The Burning Red and Supercharger are my least favorite albums. They are heavy but they don't represent who Machine Head is. Yes, they have changed a lot over the almost 9 albums now, but they've improved from each album. The Blackening is an incredible album and most metal fans should always know that. For a band to write so many epics on one album and play such melodic yet such heavy music is astounding. I still cannot believe how they were able to write that album and its entirety. Yes, Robb called Phil out on his actions and it did create havoc. It shows the fans true colors too. Phil is a POS to even do that and Robb had every right to call him out. He is a man for sticking up to one of the 'fathers' of that genre. Every metal fan knows Phil is a huge vocalist, big name, but as Robb said, he's a big bully. A lot of people look up to musicians and when someone like Phil makes a comment and gesture like that, that's not cool. Robb may have 'lost' those 'fans', but if they left because Robb had the balls to call Phil out, they weren't true fans. He's a good hearted person. He is one of the most down to earth musicians I look up to. Machine Head fans don't need those fakes to pretend to like the music. There's the door. Yeah Machine Head lost those fans or whatever you call them, but that doesn't matter, nor does Machine Head playing big stadiums. I've seen Machine head at least 3 times and I'm seeing them in February. I have seen them at Mayhem Fest and in a small bar. At Mayhem, they were told they couldn't play Halo, so they told the stage manager to fuck off and they played the 10 minute song even though they only had a couple minutes left. They are forced to play certain songs at festivals which doesn't allow the band to be themselves. At "An Evening With", they play for 2-3 hours and get to play whatever the hell they want. It's in a small venue, but that is about the best experience any fan can get. There is a really close relationship between the fans and the band when playing in a small venue with 200-300 people. The sound quality is fantastic, every one gets equal opportunity to see the band at a good view, it's amazing. So good that I'm go to my third "An Evening With" and this time I managed to get a VIP pass. To the people that don't know about Machine Head, I am sorry but you are missing out on so much. To me, they are the ultimate metal band. They play well melodically, heavy, and their transitions are so smooth they sound like completely different songs. If you haven't heard them or only heard their old stuff, you should really give a listen.
No rob never had any right calling Phil out, the only reason Phil said that was because some idiot kid in the audience kept screaming racist throughout the show, of course Phil is going to get pissed and shout that shit, I would’ve done same thing, Phil is anything but a racist, Rob was wrong to say that
Machine head rocks one of my favorites. I have every cd and play them every day. They help me get through. Sounds like me and Rob kind of grew up the same. To me all their albums are Awsome. And to me that's where slipknot and early stone sour and others got their sound. To me it's pantera meets biohazard a little old korn
He isn't the 1st Artist to call people out on record. Also speaking out against racism should be applauded. If any Metal Heads have a problem with that, they probably have deeper rooted problems.
A: Nothing wrong with a band that mixes it up with different sounds...HELL take a listen to the back catalogue of some other bands, no bands sound ever stays the same over the years..if it did how boring!... B: Don't see how you can compare some songs to pop music, maybe similar song structure...but you break it down most songs are structured the same regardless of genre. At the end of the day after DECADES as machine head they remain a continuing working band, and continuing to tour...so they must be doing something right. I am a huge machine head fan have been so since I was 16 years old....this video is just silly.
Discovered them in 2004 in Paris, live with Slayer, Slipknot and Mastodon, it is my favourite band now, aged very well, new album is killer and Robb is a veru cool guy =)
Bands change and experiment with sounds with every record. Innovate or die. As far as his comments earlier this year I'm with that. It was the right thing to do and people will just have to accept it or go away. Besides if you watch the video he is pretty much telling anyone that will listen that if your okay with or defend that kind of thing, then you can get f*%ked. What's more metal than standing up for what you believe and publically telling one of the biggest metal artist "F*&k You"? Not a huge fan but I can respect this kind of statement.
1. The lyrics to the song science. 2. Thanking Charles Manson on Toxicity thankslist. 3. Its basically numetal. 4. Drop tuning. 5. People calling them thrash metal.
I'm doing some research on people's opinions about the band currently. I do a 2 person show where we review albums the other gives ys every episode, and this episode he gave me the blackening. First experience I've really had with machine head other than Is There Anybody Out There. And I dont really get it to be honest
It seems a bit redundant to have counter arguments here considering the video is just expressing points of view but still, all the reasons you listed are reasons I hate elitist metal snobs. But i want to address two points; *takes deep breath* A bands sound evolving over the years is what keeps it fresh new and exciting, and in my opinion the most honest, I listen to old music, i listen to new, they all inform the music i write, including many genre's outside of metal. So i wouldn't call it trend hoping, just being open to new ideas and change, hence why they're still going strong 20+ years later. Second, Flynn knew the backlash he would receive from calling Phil out, again this ties in with honesty, how many people thought the same but kept their mouths shut through fear, and again, including this in your lyrics, it's honest, it's true. I love rap and hip hop for the freedom it gives in speaking your mind openly. Sort of reminds me of Aesthetics of Hate, and many old Pantera songs in fact; 5 minutes alone as an example, direct and real, people are just butt hurt cause they don't want Pantera being knocked from their almighty pedestal, but in my opinion Phil did that himself, Flynn just called him on it because he knew no one else would.
When I decided to listen their discography I thought Burn my eyes were cool, the following albums were from mediocre to really bad, but all of that changed on The blackening which is a masterpiece with a great yuxtaposition between crude melodies, aggressive riffs with really good solos and complexity. After that they did two good albums and I thought they got a good formula but then they decided to return to their mediocre era. For me, the only weak point they have is Flynn's lyrical content which are really immature and goofy (I mean they abuse the word fuck a lot like Trailer park boys). Other than that I find them a solid bad regardless of only having 2 masterpieces (personally for me is just the Blackening).
Not sure what what era the concerts’ crowds are, but songs from the Burning Red and Supercharger rile up the crowds the most during each concert. All the negativity and criticisms suddenly feels misguided. There is a lot of love for these albums.
I think you should a 5 reasons people hate nirvana. Nirvana is a great band that I've enjoyed but some of friends don't like nirvana cause of Kurt's Vocals. To me that's dumb to hate a band just because of the vocalist
Slipknot and machine head will forever be my 2 favourite bands of all time. Slipknot for personal reasons and machine head due to my love of the Blackening cemented me as a permanent metal haed. And the Blackening still remains to this day my favourite album ever. No band, not even machine head themselves have been able to top it since in my honest opinion (Opinion Trigger Alert)
For me, its 1 & 5 and I used to be a huge fan up until Locust, then for me it started to become phoned-in; and then Robb himself - and again I agree with alot of his thoughts etc but he goes about it the wrong way and I totally get why people rip on him.
I'm like you on the like to dislike ratio, I like, or even love, most of the bands that have been roasted thus far. I think so far the only ones I don't like are any of the Post Hardcore bands you mentioned in the series. To be honest though, I want to see another genre based 5 Reasons video. With that in mind my biggest suggestions are Dubstep, Thrash Metal, Power Metal, Progressive Rock/Metal, Grindcore and Crust Punk.
Machine Head are definitely tread hoppers, as they jumped on the nu metal bandwagon when it was the big thing at the time, once nu metal died down they ditched it, you can say the thing about slayer when they did diablous in musica LOL
TBH. The FIRST Machine Head album I bought was The More Things Change and I loved it... then I found Burn My Eyes at a local record store where I lived, picked it up, and spun it... and holy SHIT! Burn My Eyes blew me away the first time and pretty much every other time I've listened to it.
Well, on the Trend-Hopping thing. Metallica trend hopped. They went from Thrash, to a pop-ish feel. And, with Pantera, there was some obvious inspo on St. Anger. Same with Slayer. No one gives them shit for it. So why not rag on them instead? I see no problem with trend-hopping. It improves some band's image *cough* excluding the 2 bands I mentioned *cough cough*. And I say Machine Head had done a good job. And we can all agree A Farewell to Arms is a kickass song.
Thanks for the video, I learned a lot about Machine Head. I heard of them in the 90s and never again so I thought they moved to another planet or something. I might dig around in this a little. The beginning of the Blackening was somewhat compelling.
Never liked Rob. He was always a "me, me, me" type of guy. It is no wonder he got booted from Vio-Lence after insisting the band take a more groove/melodic oriented direction regardless of the fact that Sean Killian and the guys told him a big fat NO!
the blackening was fucking amazing. it was unfortunately so good that now they seem like they suck by comparison for not making an album as good as it.
I've also been a fan since Burn My Eyes ... I think Robb's personality is just becoming too dominant in the music, particularly on the last album and especially on the new single track. Robb's passion has always been inspiring, but lately it seems a bit overbearing. I think the other band members need to exert more influence and round out the sound and approach MH is taking or things will start to splinter.
Hey CKN, my favorite band is RHCP, there are over 100 songs by them I like, and I'd like to see a top 5 reasons people hate the red hot chili peppers just to see what you have to say. Thanks!
I love the Chili's also and they along with Faith No More are still one of my favorite non metal bands....most people who used to be fans that I know lost interest because they lost their edge after Californiacation. I'm really digging the new album, Josh Klinghoffer shines and is doing a great job imo.
Sweet :) yeah those are my favourite too I think Iquite like Blood and Diamonds too though :) I am gonna be reviewing some machine head this week on my channel too I might just review there entire discography or something :)
Oh yeah, if they were trend hoppers as you say, then why haven't they sounded like all this mascara metal crap the last 3 albums such as black veil brides, motionless in white, and devil wears prada. Horrible bands like these is what is popular in metal now. Yet machine head still sounds like they always have, heavy fucking metal.
goddamn I haven't even heard The Blackening. I'm still rocking out with burn my eyes and change. instead of labeling shit if you don't like it just don't fucking listen. it's rock and roll . fucking pple are a trip. put their lives and beliefs up and let them be judged. I'm digging Machine Fucking Head. only wish I was turned on sooner
So I'm a huge Phil and Pantera fan. I think Machine Head's music is alright, after all there is worse things to listen to out there. You can also like someones music even if you don't like them. Just like me with Machine Head. Does that mean that I'll boycott them and not buy their cd's? Yes, but that's why I'll listen to the songs I like on places like here. And not from Machine Head's channels. So I'm going to step up and be stronger than, yes the little whinny SJW libtard Robb and not let him being a dumbass stop me from listening to the songs I like from them. That is what I'm choosing to do and I'm not telling anybody else to do the same.
I'm a die hard machine head fan from 2003 when i discovered them and your on the money with all of this message them many saying if the next album is anything like is there anyone out there ill be getting rip added to my tattoo. I enjoy the diffent styles of there music simply because I'm a metal head and love most types of metal including nu-metal i prefer tech death but you can never go wrong with some classic machine head it like the pop of metal but only really metal head can understand that every there musicly style comes out in pairs of albums.
I have to agree with Burn my eyes, but I think The more things change is always going to be my favorite, probably because it the first time I heard them.
I know people that do not like the band or Robb, personally never had an issue with them. The More Things Change to me is one of the best metal records of the 90s and although I did like the Burning Red, I felt they (like many) jumped to the popular nu metal trend at the time. Supercharger was kind of like a less important retread of TBR. As for Flynn, he seems like a cool dude, little full of himself once in awhile but no reason to not be a fan of this band that to me heads above crap bands like FFDP and A7X.
most metal couch ever!
it is!
+coverkillernation flowery is the new metal!
+coverkillernation and keep up the good work.
coverkillernation I personally thought Rob Flynn's takedown of racism in metal was a very fresh thing to hear; do I seriously ultimately want metal finally associated with white supremacy? No.
Most ugly couch ever... a sharpie would help.
I haven't heard Supercharger, but The Burning Red is a underrated album. That record is good from start to finish in my opinion.
Haven't heard it, thank for the recommendations
The first Machine Head song I ever heard was "Old". Been a fan ever since.
For me it was when I heard now we die.
Davidian. I started listening to them around 1997, just before The More Things Change came out.
+GunsnRosesfan2012, nice!
+Lurch “Murf” Murphy, awesome stuff bro!
fucking love Burn My Eyes
I really love Machine Head. They have this unique charm that just appeals to me.
The Blackening is the greatest metal album of all time. All the songs are brilliant and not a wasted second in any of them. I haven't been as keen on the previous two albums.
Lol, no.
definitely one of the best ever
Blackening and Seasons in the Abyss
+Donna G Yeah, and Machine Head don't have anything yo do on it. :)
The Blackening is in my top 3 albums of all time, but I'm also starting to get into Through The Ashes Of Empires. Imperium, Bite The Bullet and Descend The Shades Of Night in particular are kickass tracks.
The Burning Red is a great album if you ask me. The hate it gets for being a nu-metal record is really unwarranted, but ya Supercharger was kind of bleh...
I really dig The Burning Red...Supercharger had a great beginning and a bread ending but the middle part just drags on and on.
+TheBahamut0 Blank Generation was dope yo...
It was around the same time as numetal but it wasn't a numetal record.
Same. I liked everything in The Burning Red. As Machine Head tried to hit the mainstream, like most Nu-Metal bands since it was THE thing, Machine Head was just too good, and still are too good to be Nu-Metal. As Supercharger was crap, I still liked Bulldozer, White-Knuckle Blackout!, Crashing Around You, Only the Names, All In Your Head, Trephination, Deafening Silence, and the two other bonus tracks.
I actually told Robb that The Burning Red was one of my favorites lyrically and that it got a bad rap. He was surprised and delighted by someone who is a long time fan.
1994-97- Groove metal
1998-2002- Nu-metal
2003-present- groove/thrash metal
Machine Head deserve credit for weathering it out over 25 years. Sure, the band's music isn't on the same level as Slayer, Pantera or Metallica, but MH somewhat spearheaded the New Wave of American Heavy Metal.
no DJ, no basslines pretending to be drums.
- not numetal.
shitty rap verses, jump da fuk up choruses and that horrible scooped mid guitar tone that bands like slipknot, korn and limp bizkit used
Elliot Knight
Slipknot were never nu-metal.
Numetal was more than "rap verses" (gonna call Biohazard Numetal next?)
Hellwyck Slipknot were thrown in the nu-metal sub-genre as the band relied on rap verses and samples. The band was more extreme than other American metal bands at the time, but nu-meta nonetheless.
Biohazard had an influence on nu-metal bands. Although Biohazard is a NY hardcore band.
cabalofdemons
*Slipknot were thrown in the nu-metal sub-genre*
by idiots, yes
*as the band relied on rap verses and samples.*
Used, not relied.
*The band was more extreme than other American metal bands at the time, but nu-meta nonetheless.*
Yes, I know who they are and since their background was death metal - not numetal.
*Biohazard had an influence on nu-metal bands. Although Biohazard is a NY hardcore band.*
You really don't need to lecture me on Biohazard.
Machine Head did what very few did, they pulled off 2 absolutely perfect albums, the Blackening and Unto the Locust are like the Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning of groove
1-5: Robb Flynn
Blackening is a fucking masterpiece, and robb seems cool, but I honestly hate the new song
it's just one song, not the whole album is like that, rob made it to get radio play to spread the message, you can't say it's too bad. not the worst thing ever, but people who call it "pop garbage" are a bit dumb
That song is bad.
Wait, am I talking to myself?
No, you are not and the song is not bad.
+Donteatmepls I agree.. Well said.
The song is not that bad. I actually liked it. It's definitely a Machine Head song, that's for sure, and not trying to be a ripoff.
never cared if a band has albums that cross genre's and seems to hop from one sound to another. I don't listen to a single compartmentalised genre I listen to a lot of variety, so why the fuck would anyone keep playing the same old thing over and over again.
Exactly bro couldn't have put it better
That's right, man! If a band would stay in their same genre and music, they'll get hated. If a band always change, they'll still get hate. But the fact of the matter than Machine Head tried Nu Metal and one out of two albums were good, they got back to their original sound, but more conceptional and modernist - because they're better than Nu Metal, they're plain better as Groove/Thrash Metal band.
Rich the unstable Yeah but the music sucks ass You can't polish a turd lady...
There's changing up your sound as a creative force, but in contrast, there is going along with the trends which is really not authentic.
Here's a challenge: how about 5 reasons people hate Children Of Bodom? (I think it would be pretty hard to find 5 valid reasons. They're a pretty good group.)
Machine Head is not uninspired. Yes the first two albums was pretty much a interpretation of Pantera's groove, but they cearly did hid with their own, new handwriting. They had some much more complex songstructures than Pantera, sounded harder, had more ups and downs and more raising inside the tracks. Pretty much generated with the awesome complex drums and Robb's more diverse vocal-style. The rest you can call maybe a Pantera-copy, but at all was kicking me much more than anything from Pantera. I'm thankful for Pantera cause they was pioneering that genre, but Machine Head did much better afterwards, imo.
Eh, I disagree that the first two albums were an interpretation on Pantera. The closest thing to Pantera they had was the crushing guitar tone and maybe the use of whamy bars and pinch harmonics on some of the songs. Sonically, they had more in common with bands like Poison Idea and Neurosis. They had a sound that was a lot darker than Pantera's southern rock-inspired sound. On TMTC, they had hardcore punk sections all over most of the songs and were already shifting from that groove metal label.
@@antona.1327 But Robb told in older interviews Panterea would be one of the influences he was inspired by.
I guess you can compare the latest stuff from Pantera very well to the very first stuff from Machine Head, like Walk and Davidian. They had very similar song structures, slow beats with brutal and repeating riffs and also the singing had a lot in common. For this period Pantera is applied as the founders of groove metal and that's what's Machine Head started with.
Whatever you say. Tons of talking and absolutely no content.
ROASTED XDDDDDDDDD
This Fucking Dude Is The Biggest Douche Poser EVER
I've met Rob Flynn and Phil Anselmo and they both seemed very cool down earth people... but I think Robs biggest problem is he has a big mouth at times and he just needs to let the music do the talking. Burn My Eyes is an absolute classic and until Through The Ashes Of Empires they looked to be washed up. Getting Phil Demmel to work with him again was a great move and I don't think they have put out a bad album since.
People hate everything nowdays...
Machine Head just makes bad music. Plus Robb Flynn is a fucking imbecile.
@@wolfstar675 Every band or singer you name, somebody will just hate it. I don't now Robb Flynn, i don't now any band member... I just listen to the bands and like the songs or not. What they do with their lifes, I just can't care less...
@@wolfstar675 ratio
who hates machine head? nobody I hope
all true metal heads hate this stupid band
Diane Daley stupid Band? You are stupid! You don't no anything about metal, it is a fucking great band and no other metal band is as good as Machine Head
Diane Daley stupid Band? You are stupid! You don't no anything about metal, it is a fucking great band and no other metal band is as good as Machine Head
All True Metal heads???
Keep your stupid Clique shit in high school
+Diane Daley stfu conhoto
I love the MH (fan since 94') but to me the first 5 albums seemed more real, or more genuine, yes that includes TBR and SC. I still like the recent records too (not the awful recent standalone single though!).
it is possible to hate machine head?
cough metal heads cough
cough phil pantera cough
I hardly see how is it possible. I hardly disliked any Machine Head song.
Just two albums when their lsot their way and tried to look like powerman 5000 ;p
Yes.
That couch is so metal. So flowery and pastel.
The song Davidian kicks ass and The Blackening I think does live up to the hype of it I personally love that album. Unto the locust was actually really solid as well but I didn't like their latest album.
I'm kinda thinking this dude does too much meth. Chill out. Maybe Machinehead has had their ups and downs, but they have such quality music, I wouldn't knock them. Live, They kill it. Love them. I don't agree with this guy at all. Sorry. Machine head has the most awesome melodies, hands down ..appreciate it!
katie bodkin hahahahah
Damned right, you hit the bulls eye !
I have dabbled in Machine Head off and on for years. While I don't hate the band, none of their music really grabbed me and made me a fan. I can say that the style changes are what kept me from becoming really invested in the band. But, I think it would be a good idea for me to start with Burn My Eyes and work my way up their discography. As for the whole Phil thing. Phil has been making racist remark and back paddling for years now. Hell, I remember various new bits on MTV back in the mid 90's where Phil was being called out about his racist remarks and actions. So I was glad to see Robb call him out. Just because you are in a bad does not mean that you are above scrutiny and should be allowed to get away with such negative behavior. More people need to step up to the plate like Robb did and call Phil out on his crap.
If you threaten people just because they speak against racism you are simply on the wrong track and Rob could probably not care less about you liking his band or not
I do enjoy Machine Head's first album. There's a big "Chaos A.D." vibe on that one and it was pretty important in inspiring groove/death metal albums like Obituary "World Demise" and Napalm Death's "Fear, Emptiness, Despair" (along with "Diatribes") to follow a similar route. I like a couple of their later albums too but that nu metal phase the band went through was a mess. Combine that with Rob's " lifetime Adidas supply/secret fangirl of Powerman5000" look just shows Rob to be a a bit musically inconsistent a a bit trend hippy. Jumpdafuck up Rob? no you need to jumpdafuck down man. Jumpdafuck down from bitching about Phil all the time.
Fear Emptiness Despair is so underrated. Been rediscovering that one lately
The blackening .that is all.......
five reasons people hate machine head.Robb flynn,Robb flyn,Robb flyn,Robb flyn,and Rob flyn.
That's funny.
Are you gonna finish the Rush discography?
I saw Megadeth yesterday in Tijuana and I shit you not he didn't sound like Mickey Mouse
No neanderthalic lyrics? That should definitely be among the top 5 reasons, I've heard people complaining about that.
i dont hate them, but just see a lot of groove metal in general being annoying compared to thrash or death metal. Metal Archives members call it ""half thrash" because it essentially splits thrash riffs in half. Plus the macho pseudo hardcore thing as far as vocals and attitude. YEah thrash had macho stuff but not in the same overly obvious cheesy way. I don't mind giving them a spin once in a while, but for groove metal i usually listen to Exhorder (As elitist as it sounds lol)
Hey CKN! Just wanted to say I love your videos and keep up the great work brother!!!
People hate them either for the fact that they changed their sound after The More Thing Changes, or for the fact that Robb is very outspoken on social media and has leftist political views and such. I don't give a shit, quite honestly. Hate The Burning and Supercharger (although I enjoyed them more when I was younger), but their new stuff kicks ass. And Robb's political views don't interest or bother me. There are also some detractors that hate the band for silly reasons. Like, for example, A7F fanboys jumped on hate bandwagon against the band (and Robb in particular) after Robb did his review of the Hail to the King album, in which he was pointing out what everyone was pointing out: Avenged Sevenfold simply ripped off the best rock and metal bands and blatantly tried to justify it as an "homage".
Also Robb Flynns lyrics are extremely immature and embarrassing, I can tolerate swearing in some amount, but he really overdoes it
Before I even watched I thought one reason would be how, and I know this is being overused, cringe Robb is.
I don't like over-use of swearing too. It has it's place artistically, but too much just sounds like you've got nothing real to say.
I've listened to every machine head song at least once and there isn't one song I actually dislike, they aren't a bad band if they are still around after 25 years
Machine Head are one of the few bands now days that know how to write great music. Mudvayne, Lamb of God, Machine Head, Chimaira. Put your skull through the wall.
Based. I agree.
Machine Head's music Is excellent and honest, Robert Flynn Is and magnificient musician, always try new things saludos from México.
machine head are the reason I got back into metal after a good 6 or 7 years away when I was into the rave scene. but when I eased out of that scene I was lost, and I heard supercharger on spotify and I was brought back to my younger years! this was about 5 years ago itself now and since then I've opened my eyes to so much more metal and can say I don't listen to machine head anymore, I am grateful for what they have done for me.
They never were hated actually
The first time I heard burn my eyes in the summer of 94 reminded me of Feb of 86 hearing master of puppets not that they sound alike not that they are remotely similar but the fucking way it captured my soul as a metal head . Dude you probably like whoever is winning in football huh? Man ride with us or collide with us I've been down since obituary/napalm death . an open mind with a clenched fist hey I'm a Broncos fan lol! In 1988 saw violence open for testament my nephew and I talked to Perry rob and Sean found out they were hungry went across a very busy Denver street and purchases 20 cheese b from macdy s our homage to vio lence fuckin rob remembered that shit and gave me some sic MH GEAR on burn my eyes stuck mojo wickerman fuckin love you Rob. I still think they shred but triple beam and out there Idk lol but goddamn now we die fuckin locusts choice metal!!
Personally, The Burning Red and Supercharger are my least favorite albums. They are heavy but they don't represent who Machine Head is. Yes, they have changed a lot over the almost 9 albums now, but they've improved from each album. The Blackening is an incredible album and most metal fans should always know that. For a band to write so many epics on one album and play such melodic yet such heavy music is astounding. I still cannot believe how they were able to write that album and its entirety.
Yes, Robb called Phil out on his actions and it did create havoc. It shows the fans true colors too. Phil is a POS to even do that and Robb had every right to call him out. He is a man for sticking up to one of the 'fathers' of that genre. Every metal fan knows Phil is a huge vocalist, big name, but as Robb said, he's a big bully. A lot of people look up to musicians and when someone like Phil makes a comment and gesture like that, that's not cool. Robb may have 'lost' those 'fans', but if they left because Robb had the balls to call Phil out, they weren't true fans. He's a good hearted person. He is one of the most down to earth musicians I look up to. Machine Head fans don't need those fakes to pretend to like the music. There's the door.
Yeah Machine Head lost those fans or whatever you call them, but that doesn't matter, nor does Machine Head playing big stadiums. I've seen Machine head at least 3 times and I'm seeing them in February. I have seen them at Mayhem Fest and in a small bar. At Mayhem, they were told they couldn't play Halo, so they told the stage manager to fuck off and they played the 10 minute song even though they only had a couple minutes left. They are forced to play certain songs at festivals which doesn't allow the band to be themselves. At "An Evening With", they play for 2-3 hours and get to play whatever the hell they want. It's in a small venue, but that is about the best experience any fan can get. There is a really close relationship between the fans and the band when playing in a small venue with 200-300 people. The sound quality is fantastic, every one gets equal opportunity to see the band at a good view, it's amazing. So good that I'm go to my third "An Evening With" and this time I managed to get a VIP pass.
To the people that don't know about Machine Head, I am sorry but you are missing out on so much. To me, they are the ultimate metal band. They play well melodically, heavy, and their transitions are so smooth they sound like completely different songs. If you haven't heard them or only heard their old stuff, you should really give a listen.
I completely agree with you, you couldn't have worded it better. 🤘💀🖤
No rob never had any right calling Phil out, the only reason Phil said that was because some idiot kid in the audience kept screaming racist throughout the show, of course Phil is going to get pissed and shout that shit, I would’ve done same thing, Phil is anything but a racist, Rob was wrong to say that
I actually tried to show a girl in my math class their song Locust. She didn't like it all that much. Hey, I tried.
Machine head rocks one of my favorites. I have every cd and play them every day. They help me get through. Sounds like me and Rob kind of grew up the same. To me all their albums are Awsome. And to me that's where slipknot and early stone sour and others got their sound. To me it's pantera meets biohazard a little old korn
He isn't the 1st Artist to call people out on record. Also speaking out against racism should be applauded. If any Metal Heads have a problem with that, they probably have deeper rooted problems.
A: Nothing wrong with a band that mixes it up with different sounds...HELL take a listen to the back catalogue of some other bands, no bands sound ever stays the same over the years..if it did how boring!... B: Don't see how you can compare some songs to pop music, maybe similar song structure...but you break it down most songs are structured the same regardless of genre. At the end of the day after DECADES as machine head they remain a continuing working band, and continuing to tour...so they must be doing something right. I am a huge machine head fan have been so since I was 16 years old....this video is just silly.
Sorry but if you don’t like machine head, we can’t be friends - it’s legit the best metal band don’t @ me
Discovered them in 2004 in Paris, live with Slayer, Slipknot and Mastodon, it is my favourite band now, aged very well, new album is killer and Robb is a veru cool guy =)
Bands change and experiment with sounds with every record. Innovate or die. As far as his comments earlier this year I'm with that. It was the right thing to do and people will just have to accept it or go away. Besides if you watch the video he is pretty much telling anyone that will listen that if your okay with or defend that kind of thing, then you can get f*%ked. What's more metal than standing up for what you believe and publically telling one of the biggest metal artist "F*&k You"? Not a huge fan but I can respect this kind of statement.
5 Reasons People Hate SYSTEM OF A DOWN
People hate SOAD?
+Necce yes, I do
1. The lyrics to the song science.
2. Thanking Charles Manson on Toxicity thankslist.
3. Its basically numetal.
4. Drop tuning.
5. People calling them thrash metal.
+the artist formally known as craig lastname Science is their truest song
+Joseph Hinson I hate the vocals, specially live.
I'm doing some research on people's opinions about the band currently. I do a 2 person show where we review albums the other gives ys every episode, and this episode he gave me the blackening. First experience I've really had with machine head other than Is There Anybody Out There. And I dont really get it to be honest
thank you for hearing my requests and finally doing this video haha
It seems a bit redundant to have counter arguments here considering the video is just expressing points of view but still, all the reasons you listed are reasons I hate elitist metal snobs. But i want to address two points; *takes deep breath* A bands sound evolving over the years is what keeps it fresh new and exciting, and in my opinion the most honest, I listen to old music, i listen to new, they all inform the music i write, including many genre's outside of metal. So i wouldn't call it trend hoping, just being open to new ideas and change, hence why they're still going strong 20+ years later. Second, Flynn knew the backlash he would receive from calling Phil out, again this ties in with honesty, how many people thought the same but kept their mouths shut through fear, and again, including this in your lyrics, it's honest, it's true. I love rap and hip hop for the freedom it gives in speaking your mind openly. Sort of reminds me of Aesthetics of Hate, and many old Pantera songs in fact; 5 minutes alone as an example, direct and real, people are just butt hurt cause they don't want Pantera being knocked from their almighty pedestal, but in my opinion Phil did that himself, Flynn just called him on it because he knew no one else would.
I don't understand how seconds apart you say they are uninspired and then you say they're trend hoppers for changing their sound!
When I decided to listen their discography I thought Burn my eyes were cool, the following albums were from mediocre to really bad, but all of that changed on The blackening which is a masterpiece with a great yuxtaposition between crude melodies, aggressive riffs with really good solos and complexity.
After that they did two good albums and I thought they got a good formula but then they decided to return to their mediocre era.
For me, the only weak point they have is Flynn's lyrical content which are really immature and goofy (I mean they abuse the word fuck a lot like Trailer park boys). Other than that I find them a solid bad regardless of only having 2 masterpieces (personally for me is just the Blackening).
Well put. Thanks Mr. Nicholson!!
Do you have anything to say about the new KoRn songs or are you waiting for them to drop an album?
Never hate this band …still listening till today…,.🤘🤘🤘
The Blackening is cool, but both Burn My Eyes and Unto The Locust just piss all over it. They're the 2 crowning achievements of Machine Head's career.
i was a hardcore machine head fan. for years. but quit listening after through the ashes of empires.. and i can say that your comments are true.
Not sure what what era the concerts’ crowds are, but songs from the Burning Red and Supercharger rile up the crowds the most during each concert. All the negativity and criticisms suddenly feels misguided. There is a lot of love for these albums.
If James Spader and Rainman had a child...now we know..
I think you should a 5 reasons people hate nirvana. Nirvana is a great band that I've enjoyed but some of friends don't like nirvana cause of Kurt's Vocals. To me that's dumb to hate a band just because of the vocalist
that's a great reason to not like a band? if someone thinks vocals are shit...than how is that a bad reason?
***** true
+Joseph Hinson And their fanbase...
Slipknot and machine head will forever be my 2 favourite bands of all time. Slipknot for personal reasons and machine head due to my love of the Blackening cemented me as a permanent metal haed. And the Blackening still remains to this day my favourite album ever. No band, not even machine head themselves have been able to top it since in my honest opinion (Opinion Trigger Alert)
What the hell how did you come to know Thermit? Saw them numerous times live in Poland. Much respect!
For me, its 1 & 5 and I used to be a huge fan up until Locust, then for me it started to become phoned-in; and then Robb himself - and again I agree with alot of his thoughts etc but he goes about it the wrong way and I totally get why people rip on him.
I'm like you on the like to dislike ratio, I like, or even love, most of the bands that have been roasted thus far. I think so far the only ones I don't like are any of the Post Hardcore bands you mentioned in the series.
To be honest though, I want to see another genre based 5 Reasons video. With that in mind my biggest suggestions are Dubstep, Thrash Metal, Power Metal, Progressive Rock/Metal, Grindcore and Crust Punk.
Reasons why people hate machine head:
1)Robb Flynn
2)Robb Flynn
3)Robb Flynn
4)Robb Flynn
5)Robb Flynn
Machine Head are definitely tread hoppers, as they jumped on the nu metal bandwagon when it was the big thing at the time, once nu metal died down they ditched it, you can say the thing about slayer when they did diablous in musica LOL
Hey CoverKiller, big fan. What would really be interesting is a "5 reasons people hate black metal" video. :) I'm curious about that.
TBH. The FIRST Machine Head album I bought was The More Things Change and I loved it... then I found Burn My Eyes at a local record store where I lived, picked it up, and spun it... and holy SHIT! Burn My Eyes blew me away the first time and pretty much every other time I've listened to it.
They were on Roadrunner though they have been known for not giving artists complete control?
Well, on the Trend-Hopping thing. Metallica trend hopped. They went from Thrash, to a pop-ish feel. And, with Pantera, there was some obvious inspo on St. Anger. Same with Slayer. No one gives them shit for it. So why not rag on them instead? I see no problem with trend-hopping. It improves some band's image *cough* excluding the 2 bands I mentioned *cough cough*. And I say Machine Head had done a good job. And we can all agree A Farewell to Arms is a kickass song.
Thanks for the video, I learned a lot about Machine Head. I heard of them in the 90s and never again so I thought they moved to another planet or something. I might dig around in this a little. The beginning of the Blackening was somewhat compelling.
If something is uninspired, it just means that it wasn't inspired by anyone or anything.
4 reasons why I love Machine head: 1 - Burn my eyes; 2 - The more things change; 3 - Hellalive; 4 - The Blackening
Never liked Rob. He was always a "me, me, me" type of guy. It is no wonder he got booted from Vio-Lence after insisting the band take a more groove/melodic oriented direction regardless of the fact that Sean Killian and the guys told him a big fat NO!
No, MH haven't done well at all...
And congrats on the sun glasses and the 10 cd collection..
I love Supercharger
Have you done Motley Crue or better yet, Poison?
the blackening was fucking amazing. it was unfortunately so good that now they seem like they suck by comparison for not making an album as good as it.
I've also been a fan since Burn My Eyes ... I think Robb's personality is just becoming too dominant in the music, particularly on the last album and especially on the new single track. Robb's passion has always been inspiring, but lately it seems a bit overbearing. I think the other band members need to exert more influence and round out the sound and approach MH is taking or things will start to splinter.
I've heard and enjoyed two of the band's songs, Crashing Around You and Kick You.
Hey CKN, my favorite band is RHCP, there are over 100 songs by them I like, and I'd like to see a top 5 reasons people hate the red hot chili peppers just to see what you have to say. Thanks!
how can't people hate RHCP?
+Nikolai 21 i hope that's supposed to say can
I love the Chili's also and they along with Faith No More are still one of my favorite non metal bands....most people who used to be fans that I know lost interest because they lost their edge after Californiacation. I'm really digging the new album, Josh Klinghoffer shines and is doing a great job imo.
mr. bungle is better. not even close
I didn't get the blackening album I prefered the Ashes through empires albums and the one that followed the blackening
MY Personal Spin
Same here! TTAOE and Locust are Machine Head's best two records! (Blackening is #3)
Sweet :) yeah those are my favourite too I think Iquite like Blood and Diamonds too though :) I am gonna be reviewing some machine head this week on my channel too I might just review there entire discography or something :)
Oh yeah, if they were trend hoppers as you say, then why haven't they sounded like all this mascara metal crap the last 3 albums such as black veil brides, motionless in white, and devil wears prada. Horrible bands like these is what is popular in metal now. Yet machine head still sounds like they always have, heavy fucking metal.
They are like a Variety Band playing Metal and I love it :)
goddamn I haven't even heard The Blackening. I'm still rocking out with burn my eyes and change. instead of labeling shit if you don't like it just don't fucking listen. it's rock and roll . fucking pple are a trip. put their lives and beliefs up and let them be judged. I'm digging Machine Fucking Head. only wish I was turned on sooner
So I'm a huge Phil and Pantera fan. I think Machine Head's music is alright, after all there is worse things to listen to out there. You can also like someones music even if you don't like them. Just like me with Machine Head. Does that mean that I'll boycott them and not buy their cd's? Yes, but that's why I'll listen to the songs I like on places like here. And not from Machine Head's channels. So I'm going to step up and be stronger than, yes the little whinny SJW libtard Robb and not let him being a dumbass stop me from listening to the songs I like from them. That is what I'm choosing to do and I'm not telling anybody else to do the same.
I'm a die hard machine head fan from 2003 when i discovered them and your on the money with all of this message them many saying if the next album is anything like is there anyone out there ill be getting rip added to my tattoo. I enjoy the diffent styles of there music simply because I'm a metal head and love most types of metal including nu-metal i prefer tech death but you can never go wrong with some classic machine head it like the pop of metal but only really metal head can understand that every there musicly style comes out in pairs of albums.
I really love Hallowed be Thy name cover on the Blackening. Unto the Locust is a great album.
The first two albums and The Blackening are fucking awesome
I have to agree with Burn my eyes, but I think The more things change is always going to be my favorite, probably because it the first time I heard them.
Going for the Lars Ulrich hairstyle are we?
I can only think of one. "Is There Anybody Out There?" that is really the only flaw in their awesome 25+ years!
Well, I love MH.
It must be difficult to find reasons to hate MACHINE HEAD. I always thought they where a much liked Band.
I know people that do not like the band or Robb, personally never had an issue with them. The More Things Change to me is one of the best metal records of the 90s and although I did like the Burning Red, I felt they (like many) jumped to the popular nu metal trend at the time. Supercharger was kind of like a less important retread of TBR. As for Flynn, he seems like a cool dude, little full of himself once in awhile but no reason to not be a fan of this band that to me heads above crap bands like FFDP and A7X.
Isn't Metallica also a trendhopper band? And Stinkin Fart (Oh, I'm sorry I meant Linkin Park) and then Slipknot with the ginger snob on vocals?
You talk too much man! After two minutes just couldnt hear you anymore!!!!
+Michalis Stephadouros what did you hear? Shoot I'd better check that audio!
coverkillernation i think you should do that!!
+Helen Lynch *bitch
+Jose Larios Fuck You lady
big buddy you shouldn't talk to yourself like that
Dont know any machine fans claiming they are falsely inspired,true metal if anything sure as shit ain't grunge!!!