React content is probably the most mixed bag when it comes to content. Some channels actually review the content and add value to it whereas some people just use it for free clicks
People either actually add something into it like commentary and genuine reactions like Charlie, and theres people who just sit down and watch the whole video they're reacting to without doing anything and being silent the whole time, basically watching the whole video with the streamers facecam being stoic.
I'm not against reaction content as a whole, but I am against lazy reaction content. If a streamer or creator or whoever sits down in front of their webcam and silently watches someone else's work while eating their lunch, that is adding nothing. It is not transformative in any way, it's just stealing and once the viewers of that "reaction" have seen the video, they have no reason to go to the original cause they've already watched it through. But if someone is constantly stopping the video to discuss what was said, offering critique and opinion (on a regular basis not just once or twice) then they're adding something different and potentially worthwhile. And since the video is constantly being interrupted, there's a greater chance some viewers will want to go and see it themselves. Though I still would prefer if reactors didn't watch ENTIRE videos on stream. Maybe cut to a fullscreen facecam at points during it so the viewers have reason to go see what they were missing. At the end of the day, reaction content isn't going anywhere, but to me there is a right and wrong way to do it and so many huge personalities tend to do it the wrong way.
@@cl4267 I'm speaking generally. Based on this video, Charlie understands the need to be transformative and even realizes when he hasn't been. He's not the issue.
He also used to regularly shit on reaction content as well as continuously bitches about lazy content. And then the makes it like a total tool. Just like he shit on drama channels and makes garbage like this.
Idk about everyone else but I click and watch because of charlie I couldn't care less about the content hes "reacting" to...He makes the usually unwatchable and retarded content he reacts to entertaining.
I normally love Charlie but here he’s just flat out wrong. I HEAVILY encourage people to read the actual document, he’s taken a number of things completely out of context and framed this in a way as to make Dark look as bad as possible. I love both these creators but this really seems like a defensive knee-jerk reaction from Charlie because it hits so close to home.
It's a pain in ass to find. He wants people to watch the video and have a tribal mindset and do as he says. But I like both but Charlie is wrong this time
Charlie, I think you should include the unfinished script in the description. I've never heard of dark viper before this but after watching this I saw his response and it really does seem like you've done him dirty. If what he's said is bad enough like you make out show/ link the original script instead of taking what he's wrote out of context then making claims/ counter claims you don't prove or provide any evidence towards which you call dark viper out for doing.
Just google it bro, he clearly mentioned that’s what he’s talking about and it’s definitely not hard to find. You know his source, you know where to find it, he shouldn’t have to hold ur hand all the way there
I saw a reaction channel once that used someone’s animation and got way way more views than the original. The channel owner felt bad about it but another react channel owner came in and said something along the lines of “you should be proud you got more views it means your stuff is better than theirs” and I was just blown away lol
sometimes I watch Charlie's videos out of order and feel like I got thrown in a hyperbolic time chamber or something. I watched the drama response video before this one and thought this whole situation happened a long time ago but nope. this goku-frieza-on-namek fight has taken place only over the last 3 days!
I'm watching this video for the first time now, right after watching Charlie talk about why he quit doing reaction videos and put this part of his channel in the past.
There's actually a really great video by Jay Exci about this. He talks about how there's good and bad reaction content, and that it's about finding the balance between showing an amount of a video and also adding enough commentary and actual reactions to make it your own. Some get it pretty right, like Charlie, some not so much.
He's not necessarily a streamer, but Vlogging Through History would be another example of a react format done right. He's a historian who reacts to history-related content while offering feedback, fun anecdotes, and other cool stuff to the point where the reaction is drastically longer than the video. Just an example of how reaction content can most certainly be very good, and even enhancing.
Sooo much good history content on RUclips that does reactions-- they fill in blanks, they talk about their experience learning it, how it relates to other areas of history etc.
Vlogging through history reacts to historical videos and adds some things that we might not know, and adds contexts to some things. That's what reaction channels should be.
its good to see that many charlie's fans are calling him out for misrepresenting DarkViper's point. glad to see that this fanbase isnt blinded just because charlie is their favourite/ one of their favourite youtubers and actually understand that a coin has two sides to it
nah, just nah. people arent calling him out for being wrong, people just follow whatever the new narrative is. everybody agreed with charlie about the things he said and about the document, but then after one video comes out from darkviper everybody suddenly thinks charlie is completely wrong. if charlies makes a video doubling down everybody will be on his side again. noone is being honest here, they're just drama frogs who follow whatever narrative they last heard and use that to be negative towards people
There is a really specific memory I have from an old video of Charlie's. My friend showed me his channel around 8 years ago, when all he did was voice over playing video games, with the first video he showed me being an Operation Room simulator game. He was very against showing his face, saying his name, or having his viewers know anything about him personally, he was simply kritical/penguinz0. Then one day he posted a video, still voicing over a game, however talking about his real life and how sad he had been lately, from having lost both his girlfriend and gotten fired from his job, he was not in a good place. However, he said what he felt most ashamed about was since he lost his job, he needed to start using the money his channel was making to make ends meet instead of donating it the way he normally did, and he was just totally stuck on this fact, and that he hoped to get back on his feet and be able to make up the money he meant to donate. Thats when I realized how good of a person he truly was
I remember this too! The fact he was donating his youtube earnings for so long, what a beautiful soul he has. And the way he spoke about how he would have to use the money; as though he was asking *our permission* to use his own money, and apologising for it. I truly believe he has the biggest heart of all content creators, and I truly wish nothing but happiness and success for the rest of his life. Finding out Charlie is only a couple years older than me was a shock, I remember seeing that QWOP vid when I was, what, 16? I remember showing the girls in my class and we were all guessing he was about late 30s, 40s, because of his voice. And he was just a lil 16 year older, like us! Aging while watching him has been a trip, I stopped watching for 3/4 years before 2016 and a little after but man, his content is as good as it's ever been right now.
@@knighter1209 How do I steal content, I also have no ads on my contend and I get hardly any views. I upload it for myself and would gladly make it private if it offends you so much. I do not sit there take other peoples videos play it all the way through and put ads on it, it’s wrong and a very scummy thing to do.
It blew my mind when React World tried to trademark the “react” genre. They were going to make people pay to literally react to videos. If you want a good laugh you can look up their introduction to the “trademark” series and then their apology which followed shortly after.
I would like to see twitch implement like a “watch party” feature for youtube where the viewers would watch the content from their own accounts just to boost (or rather accurately reflect) the view numbers
Wow its actually nice to see in the comments a community that cared about the other side of the story before they started dogpiling on someone without any consideration. Idk anything about this situation but it seems that Charlie might have made a mistake and if thats true, thankfully he has a community that will let him know
@@stevenchaloner162 Dang ya I figured. I dont really do too much looking into things but i saw almost all the top comments seem to be defending the guy and it surprised me. But that's not to say there will still be a whole bunch of ppl who dogpile without context anyways
@@stevenchaloner162 go watch a video on the darkviperau channel where he made a response to this video bringing up all the points Charlie didnt care to bring up or he didnt want to
Kinda feels like the argument of the document was missed, rather took extreme examples out of context to criticize the examples and not the leading point itself. React content is kinda whack, it's not very transformative and takes away engagement from a creators channel and any other potentially recommended channels after that.
Yup. This has so many red flags & clearly was meticulously set up to make darkviper look as bad as possible with so much stuff purposely taken out of context…. Classless move by Charlie.
tbf Charlie is a funny dude but his youtube content is like a reddit top comment generator just in video form. 99% of the time he just states some vanilla normie popular opinion that the majority of his demographic already agrees with and dresses it in his "edgy" humor.
Pokimane watching someones entire video while eating in silence, and then "saying nice things about it" is the bare minimum you can do after watching someones content with thousands of people, and it's hilarious that charlie doesn't recognize that. " I mean yeah he was a tax evader, sure, but one time, he did pay three dolars so he's okay" Small creators don't complain about reactors is because they're small, inexperienced, and don't know better As for big channels who are affected by reactors and do complain just look at jay exsi. They've make several streams and an hour long video explaining why this isn't ok
Yeah Poki and Hassan are some that come to mind who take the “Jinx” approach to reacting and Hassan is worst since his egos is so big that he just attacks whoever criticized him
@@LivingLikeLarry12 go watch dark vipers response video. Charlie purposefully makes stuff up and takes a lot of of context in order to make himself look better.
Old media has this figured out long ago. If you want to provide `curated` content, you're going to have to pay the original creator. Paying with 'exposure' is possible but only when the original creator agreed to that. The rapist argument, while absurd and in bad taste, sheds light on this, the reactor is not asking if the original creator wants to be paid in exposure. They just re-stream the video... In software development, consent is given through a license attached to the code/content. In music, there's a license required to stream/play music you did not create yourself. On youtube, there's a gap where a license would provide clarity. And it seems that they're still a long way of fixing that. I hope, in a couple of years, there's a youtube.com, where you can watch videos for yourself, and and reacttube.com where all content fit for re-streams is available.
Someone: _Makes ONE analogy in an argument_ Moist: Your analogy is super wrong forget the rest of your argument let’s talk about why this analogy sucks so much
If that’s all it takes to make you laugh so hard you spit out your coffee then maybe you would also get a kick out of Amy Schumers stand up special on Netflix.
@@shortstarwarsessays1842 it’s funny how you spent a whole comment section arguing with others about how he steals content only to go out of your way to criticize someone’s humor a few months later it’s entirely unnecessary if anything it seems like your lashing out
What upsets me isn't the document. It's the fact that Charlie completely either misinterpreted it, or was just outright wrong. I'm on DVs side of things because if you look at his response video, he clarifies all the misinterpreted points made in this video. People are more likely to take Charlie's side on things because he is the larger creator, but status shouldn't matter in a scenario like this. Don't be that guy who immediately takes one side just because it's the person you like better. Watch DVs video first, then make a decision.
listen to his video very closely. it's not the document that has him upset. he' took part of the document as a very personal attack. he reinterinates the same points about the rapist comparison and his name being used. relative to charlies understanding, the document is an ad homin attack. his response is him not apreaciating being attacked even though. the document really isn't about his specifically. Don't know what charlie is going through in his personal life but homie might not be okay right n ow.
I have been watching for 5-6 years now and almost always agrees with what he says because of how well thought out most of what he says is without feeling like he is attacking another person due to his own feelings. However this time it feels a lot different with Charlie trying to take what DarkViper says out of context and blowing it out of perportion. I also feel like Charlie is bringing his own feelings in to this. I could be wrong but this video feels like it’s trying to bring negative attention to DarkViper.
@Codex And a RUclipsr that is 10x smaller, DarkViperAU could've lost thousands of subscribers if he didn't release his own video about the topic. Even worse, DarkViperAU was making and writing the script for the video about his thoughts on reaction content that he was about to release and go more into detail on the topic, but his plan was ruined by Charlie because he felt violated.
I don't wanna see mum and dad argue but judging by the comments on both videos, Matt must've disassembled this entire video with surgical precision in his response video
Yeah he did lol cause that’s the type of person he is he literally wrote a 14 page essay on it that Charlie is referring to but obviously Charlie took tiny chunks and used them in his favor without context
What shocks me is that even though Charlie is a massive youtuber/streamer that has seen so much drama in both platforms he couldnt just have a direct conversations with Matt to better understand the document. What could have been a discussion between two knowledgeable people turns into one-sided discussions and drama. People need to learn to talk with each other and only then, if they still think it´s worth it, make a video about it.
DarkViper has responded, sad that Charlie takes alot of stuff out on context etc:/ i will take what he says with a pinch of salt from now on:/ ruclips.net/video/cqWNmXYC76A/видео.html
Coryxkenshin is a good example of someone uplifting smaller channels by reacting to them to, he doesn't do it all the time but the times he does, they gained a lot
Reaction channels are the laziest and most bottom effort form of content creation on any video sharing site. It does not require much effort at when you are doing nothing but reacting to the original content of more creative people.
The only time I've had an issue with a reactor is when they told an animator that their content wasn't creative due to art style and that sitting on a couch watching their content is more creative. They ended up deleting that video due to heavy backlash and have never addressed it since.
Well, my respect for a person drops to zero the moment a react streamer decides to take down others videos and channels for including their content. Basically, i majorly dislike double standards.
Thank you , people are judging dark even though they haven't even looked at the document , Charlie defamed matt and took thing matt said out of context , ruclips.net/video/cqWNmXYC76A/видео.html
I normally appreciate Charlie's opinions but this is the first time I've really had a problem with one - the blatant misconstruing and hypocrisy in this just doesn't sit right with me, not even going to the effort of linking the document being discussed and discredited.
@@danielhernandez2575 even if he is a hypocrite that doesnt dissprove his point and also the rapist part it was an analogy for reactors only backing off if you straight up say no even if you clearly need permission
@@titosyettos2689 Watching a video on stream doesn't equal having intercourse without consent and shouldn't be compared. The context behind them is vastly different and its absurd he used THAT analogy when there are plenty other ones that fit better.
It amazes me to no end that 1 video with poorly done research and lack of communication can lead to so many people hating on Matt (DarkviperAU) and misreading what he said/wrote but this is what I should have expected from people who can barely read 14 pages.
The worst part is the fact that Charlie or any other reactor was never compared to a rapist …It was an “analogy” of exploitation without permission…Fuck Charlie
This is the first time I've seen any fanbase call him out collectively for being wrong, but still be fans of whoever they are calling out, claiming that he may have made an honest mistake as a benefit of doubt.
I get that Charlie isnt the brightest bulb in the box; he's never pretended otherwise, but this is just embarassingly wrong and misrepresentative of what DarkViper said. This is incredibly disappointing to see
@Nigga _ how is your username even allowed? Also yes but i'm trying to get people to watch DarkViper's video, that's all. Same tactic as the self promo guys just that it's more relevant :))
@Nigga _ maybe, but you can't deny he will always be the funny likeable guy that talks about buttholes and fleshlights. It's kind of sad how when you make the kind of persona you can't really go back to being serious, it just feels uncanny.
@Nigga _ I mean, he's not wrong in being upset for being name-dropped alongside XQC and other streamers who are clearly on another level of reaction scum. Other than that, he did a very bad job presenting Matt's points. I see this as an exception, though. Usually Charlie is quite reasonable and doesn't fail to make good points. Also, this isn't twitter, no one's cancelling anyone. Unlike the mouth breathers on twitter, people here actually try to come to a common consensus (for the most part).
I am always amazed by how fast charlie switches from a rather eloquent way of speech, even without any script, to a pretty casual way of talking with swearing and sarcasm. One of my favorite things about him.
Rule 1 of arguing dont listen to the other side Rule 2 make up their argument before they can Rule 3 argue your side while looking for every way to make the other guy look like the asshole without letting them defend themselves Edit: I also don't think Charlie should apologize for being a react content creator because he isn't just that, however I think he should apologize to dark viper for consciously cutting off his ability to make the video without it being shrouded in controversy from the get go, and the for blatant misrepresentation of dark vipers character for the consent analogy that we all understand that somehow Charlie twisted into saying matt was a rapist, like the fuck dude?
Rule 4 be friends with Susan Wojici and Twitch Admins so that you can make sure your revenue streams stay open since a large portion of your content relies on nebulously structured and interpreted fair use laws
I understand Charlie wants to defend himself he feels he's done nothing wrong thats okay... its just kinda funny Charlie decided to jump out in front of Matt's video without letting him make his own argument I think he really shot himself in the foot there because he only has the argument that he made for the document not what matt had intended the argument to be, Charlie also seems to purposely misunderstand the consent analogy and accost Matt's character without even knowing what matt means... even though everyone knows you ask for consent first you don't just do what you want and apologize if needed later
I think you've done Dark a disservice with this video. It, ironically, goes some way to proving his point: you've grown comfortable simply firing off your gut reaction to anything and everything, and in this case it's ended with a lot of bad tales, deflection and serious misrepresentation of his document.
My initial reaction to seeing Matt being flamed by Charlie was 'oh no has Matt let the frustration of speedrunning get to him?'... however this topic has been worked on tirelessly and passionately by Matt, and Charlie is 100% in the wrong for putting out his video just because the script mentioned his name and probably triggered a response. What this has done is swayed a majority of people away from Matt's content and killed the discussion of this topic before it was even brought to light. However I do believe Charlie is a good person who has unknowingly done this and would benefit from actually understanding the argument being made. This could be done by both of them sitting down and having a conversation be it offline or online. Also, please ignore the unnecessary personal attacks made by both parties and focus on the argument.
I definitely agree that Charlie is inherently a good person and just seems to be unknowingly doing what he is. I hope Matt's document can convince not just react viewers, but also explain the problem to react streamers themselves. Unfortunately, since Matt is so passionate about it and clearly labels react streamers as bad people, this will probably be hard to swallow for most people.
@@Blucario90 Tbh Matt made good points so I can respect him arguing with someone who has WAY more supporters than him and can, at any time, "hate raid" him. It's a different case if he's just ranting pointlessly, but the reality is, it's the opposite.
I don’t know if it’s just me, but I love it when a streamer or other creator reacts to my content, so long as it isn’t lazy. I get useful feedback and sometimes minor boosts to my videos
Yeah I get your viewpoint, but it likely is lost views if they do the reaction like some streamers do; just sitting there and watching the whole video unedited,which equals to lost money and a bad taste for the creator while the reactor runs off with a thousand bucks in their wallet. Why watch original content when you can watch the video with someone else reacting to videos? Why go out of your way to find the original piece of content after you've watched a reaction video of that same video with someone else's commentary. If someone makes video X, that took 1000 hours to make, it's full of knowledge, research, nice editing, background footage, the whole shabang, and a reactor comes around and watches video X, uses only 10 minutes of effort to nick your video and put it on the screen and just talk about it every now and again, video X's creator doesn't make any money or views from it, at the very best like 300 inactive subs and 3 new viewers that stick around, while the reactor gets $2000 from video X's creator's 1000h of labor. With game reviews and gameplay, you can't get the whole experience of the game from a video, there's always some aspect in the controls that make it worth it to buy the game, videos don't have this luxury, if you watch a video, that's it, you know the video now, sure you can come back and watch it again since it was good, but you're not likely to go off a reactor's channel to a whole different channel to seek a single video out.
@@TheBiggestCorn i don't think it's the stream reaction that's hurting the original videos to be honest. It's when people (not the streamer) clip the whole reaction from the stream and post it on youtube and then makes it to the front result
As much as I love you Charlie, I'd genuinely take a more nuanced look at Dark's document and also a look at his response. You have genuinely misrepresented lots of his points and making one of the focal points an (admittedly extreme) analogy over the vast majority of the document and even the context of which he used the analogy makes you look lazy and makes me have to question your integrity, especially as this is in defence against criticism of a practice you partake in.
i agree. you can’t deny the analogy was right. although i did think it was a bit extreme i understood the point he was trying to make and that’s the point of analogy’s. they aren’t trying to make their own point, dark wasn’t comparing reactors to sex offenders. the analogy is only there to help people understand his original point. i’m sure charlie knows this and chose to take it the wrong way considering it’s the first thing he mentions about the document not even a minute into the video.
Bro he knows he is wrong but he wants to keep reacting to stuff for ez money so ofc he is going to misrepresent it. "This is a MASSIVE document with LOADS of words.... so basically he just called us rapists 😞"
@@eliza1905 I hope it was an honest mistake that he took it the wrong way, but if he did purposely twist DVau's words to be used against him then he's just as good as the crappy channels he reacts to.
People have been shitting on commentary since 2012. It's not new. What is new, however, is the level of commentary that these channels provide. Whether you agree with Charlie or DarkViper, SSSniperwolf's content is not transformative or entertaining at all; it's straight theft. At least with most creators, they will speak on the topic and actually add something to the video, as well as direct attention towards the channels. Even Charlie shat on SSSniperwolf.
@@AUSWQPCVhe said she makes higher effort content than reactors like Charlie and asmongold, not that she made good reactions. Bad or not she has highly edited videos which is a lot harder and more time consuming than just pressing the play button
Or at least link the full document in the description to THIS video. Jesus. That's like the bare minimum he should do if he's serious about engaging in a good-faith discussion.
Charlie's blunt, sarcastic and factual comments delivered in his signature lack of emotion is why I like his videos. RUclips White T-Shirt Moist Jesus ftw.
Whenever Charlie used to react to something bad like attaway general, he 100% added way more to it and made me laugh so much, a lot of channels that just blankly stare at a video and call it a “react” are definitely garbage, but actual good reactors shouldn’t be lumped together with those people EDIT : I went and watched DarkViperAU’s video and after seeing that, I do now think that cr1tikal is in the wrong here, however my initial point still stands that he did transform and improve attaway general A LOT.
Charlie is the actual reason I watch some of my now favorite channels. Nexpo, Mama Max, Defunctland, and Summoning Salt to name a few. If it wasn't for Charlie reacting to these creators, I may never have found their channels. So thank you Charlie.
I believe most react streamers can be decent, depending on what they do. For example, we got Charlie as a react streamer and he is doing a great job of doing that. Props to him!
Idk I just miss the originality of what used to be twitch nowadays I feel like it's a lot of people trying new stuff that is literally not new or half the effort I simply try not to go on twitch as much as I can anymore cuz I think it's just a bunch of lazy people at this point expecting people to watch them
Dark Viper has a whole response to this, and despite being subscribed to both I really think Dark came back at Charlie with the receipts to back it up. Look if we can just get these two to sit down or get this out of the way or whatever maybe instead of both channels trying to kill each other it could maybe end up going down how Dark Viper and Some Ordinary Gamers went.
For real man, I don't want to see these 2 gems go away or keep ranting with each other. They really need to settle their agreement and make up for each's mistakes. It's hard to be a follower of these two having bad terms with each after being a fan for such a long time
It’s really sad because they could be a really funny tag team for videos or whatever. Also just sad because of how unnecessary it is. I hope they sort it out.
Got to ask yourself - who is more likely to commit sexual assault - a man who watches content in front of an audience, or a man who trivialises sexual assault? It's a mystery!
So he didn't read the document, felt attacked, and made a hasty video that makes no sense. (Damn I remember when people universely agreed react content was lazy and bad)
@@JackReacheround I don't mind Charly at all, he's a funny guy but what I hated most in this video was him saying "I add to the content, except when I like it, then I just watch it in silence on my stream". He literally just showed the issue right there wtf
"He seems to just pull facts out of his ass while is only source is 'trust me bro'" is such a funny statement considering that's exactly what you did in this video
And the fact that this video actually serves to prove his point about reaction content taking views and money away from the original creator - because loads of people are only watching this and not bothering to engage with DarkViper's side.
Charlie and Matt are both good content creators I follow and like, but, ngl, Charlie did some dirty here. I didn't saw this video (Charlie's) yesterday, I just knew about it after DarkViper's response and, gotta say, Charlie sure took a lot of things out of context and talked about it like it's something Matto explicitly said without any further context. But, if you read the document, you'll see how most of the things Charlie used as an argument were comparisons and with a lot of context to add into, because this same things he said were in the last pages of that document.. And, for me, the worst of the things is Charlie talking about the document without even linking it for others to go there and read by themselves. He's not giving the proper context, nor providing the source... Charlie's video is just a personal attack to Matt..
Okay, first of all. DarkViper himself told that Charlie was a BAD PERSON, and he steals money from others His comments "MoistCritikal has more money than 99.99999% of people who have ever lived and he uses his time to steal people's content to prevent other's from entering this space. He is a bad person." Then he calls out people who watch Xqc, Moist, as people who lack morals "I know. Content aggregation is very profitable for those who lack morals." Also rants about how's Charlie is ONLY for the money, and he WILL steal for the profit. "Dude literally told his followers that short content makes no money, among other innaccuries. I made a video correcting him. Ludwig made a video correcting him. The video is still up, because he just doesn't care. He is in it for the money, and whatever he can steal he will steal for profit." All the proof is here : p-+a-+s-+t-+e-+b-i-+n.c-+o-+m/p-+R-+m-+z-+D-+C-+D-+f remove the -+ symbol
"Charlie's video is just a personal attack to Matt.." because the document isn't a personal attack to react streamers? why is this comment section full of matt apologists exactly? how do you defend comparing react streamers with rapists?
@@MrRubixscube Did you read the document yourself? Or are you just repeating the points that Charlie made in this video? If you are not gonna read the document, at least watch Matt's response so you can know the other side of the story.
@@MrRubixscube No one's defending comparing react streamers with rapists, it's just that Matt's point is much more than that and Charlie is representing it like Matt just said that all react channels are spawns of Satan or something when that line was supposed to be a kind of an analogy. Not a good one, but an analogy nevertheless.
Reaction videos are lazy as hell. They’re just using someone else’s content and they just put their own two cent in. Like that is lazy as hell! If someone is doing react videos, I would rather Watch the Original creator’s video and put my Own two cent in without having anyone else’s opinion be put in
damn Charlie, you didn't even bothered putting the document in description so people could fact check what you were mentioning, I really encourage people to watch Matt's response and really understand what he points and how wrongly Charlie did this video.
@Bolivian-Lament maybe not right each time, but definitely in this situation. Charlie took so much shit out of context that's it almost feels like an April fools video
@Bolivian-Lament pretty simple: he doesn't start drama himself. So the drama about him has to come from someone like charlie (someone who doesn't do any research and deliberately distorts everything)
Reminds me of that one HugeCharles video I saw. One of the comments asked to put the video being reacted to, in the description. They got dogpiled on, because the name of the video was on the screen the entire time ... and that makes it okay because it's more than what other reactors do??? Like ... that's not the point. Charlie is unintentionally making it harder for his viewers to follow channels he's reacting to, likely for the short one-line description shtick that stopped being funny 5 years ago.
If I write a document about why I like dogs but I also write a whole part about why we need to kill Jews and why hitler was right, people are still right to shit on the document as a whole despite most of it just being about dogs lol. This guy still called streamers similar to rapists. That point alone makes the whole document stupid and worthy of shit
@@bloodstainedalyss i think charlie realized he was wrong and hating on reaction channels for adding content to it and making more people listen to the music /become a new fan
This is probably the first time I disagree with you on most points you make. I'm sure you didn't do it deliberately, but I do believe you misunderstood the essence of what the script is supposed to state. Also, it would be the right thing to do, to link the document you are reacting to in the description. Thank you.
I've been subbed to cr1tikal for 2 years and darkviper for a little less time and I have to be honest, even though I am a bigger fan of cr1tikal there isn't much of an argument on who's right here, cr1tikal took darkviper's views out of context, extremely exaggerated his comments and overall was in the wrong. I still love your content cr1tikal but I lost some respect for you today.
I feel the same way, but I don’t think any respect should be lost for either party. I think Charlie just acted out of emotion, made a mistake, and hopefully he will address it very soon and resolve things. He usually admits when he’s wrong, from what I’ve seen. I hope you have a wonderful day :)
I lost respect for DV a while ago. Maybe if he stayed out of bullshit and calmed down with the shit he says about people id watch him again. I feel after the suicide note he was involved in he just has lost the plot
@@tronikal5078 Thank you! I do completely see your point, I just hate coming to negative conclusions about people lol, though I certainly will once I’m sure it’s entirely deserved.
@@IDoABitOfTrollin The suicide note was entirely apollo's fault and the only other drama that can think of that happened recently was the muta drama in which case he deleted the videos and apologized
How Charlie got targeted as one of the bad actors for reaction content is a baffling. He’s one of the best examples of how to do reaction content correctly. There’s few people that do it as well as him.
I would agree with this if he actually linked to other videos and gave shoutouts. He is nowhere near as good at this type of contact as the likes of Blind Wave.
A perfect example of a good "react" content is Corridor Crew with their VFX Artists/Animators/Stuntmen React series. Each episode features an in-depth analysis of the content they're reacting to. They don't just sit there dead-eyed thanking people for donations.
After watching this video I had disagreed with all of Charlie's points and was about to call him out on his wrongdoings but seeing how this video has 0 dislikes it made me think and realize that maybe I was the problem. Thank you Charlie for opening my eyes.
Our goals shouldn't be to get them to fight, it should be to get both sides to realize how wrong each of them may have been . That's the only proper way to get them to squash this beef before it gets out of hand . I don't want to see this become a drama saga segment for documentaries channels to continually explore .
@Mounted ♪ He has a tendency to get over-obsessive and stop thinking straight, but he apologized and took those videos down. He even played some gtaguessr with him and they were super chill
Originally reading the comments I was admittedly disappointed to see people just “fanboying” this other guy…. But then I watched his vid. Usually penguin has soon good takes, but this is not one of them. Yes, he could have used a different analogy in that one paragraph, but by no means was it as big of a deal then moist made it out to be. As a fan of some reactors, I have to admit, viper makes some very good points that Charlie clearly failed to see when making this vid.
hello, i just wanna say that it is amazing that you did your own research, when matt (darkviperau) sort of went after nobody (nobody is a name of a guy that did something before matt as first) i defended him as one of the only people.
@@Zvion I think it was UnNamed and they put their differences aside, and DV actually used some of UnNamed's techniques to finally complete the challenge.
@@sneakysnake7695 Matt was SUPER pissed (unsurprisingly so) at Unnamed but since then he did mention him positively a lot and did use his strats (because how else are you going to finish the run lol)
Personally, I mainly watch Charlie’s reactions for his witty jokes and add ons to the video. I would never in a million years find those videos by scrolling and even if I did, I wouldn’t click. Charlie’s commentary is what makes me click.
@@layton6202 it means that Charlie isn’t stealing the view from the og content because the view never would’ve been given to the og content in the first place.
@@misaetmi he's not necessarily stealing but he is benefitting from something they original creator won't even tho it's their video..... But that's life tho
@@layton6202 It means that react content is worth giving a view of the reactor is in some way transforming the video. Charlie’s jokes and commentary make the video more enjoyable for some or maybe less terrifying or lonely for some. I’m not a fan of streamers who literally just play the video for their stream while they leave to go eat or cook. But Charlie and a decent bit of streamers are not like that.
Deji reacted to my most viewed video about a year ago (which has since been removed by RUclips) and he pretty much made fun of me and my content and a lot of his viewers came and left hate comments on my video and I literally didn’t care. It was funny and I got some exposure. The video eventually hit over 1 million views 😂
Charlie has been wrong about someone's ideas/character. I explicitly remember a video he made about during the OTV Rust days about a Rust player that was egregiously misguided. It is very possible that's the case again.
@@coltonwilkie241 For real i went back and watched both sides and trainwreck was acting so damn whiney over Winter playing the game how its mainly played and got him kicked only because he was a bigger creator but xqc is another story he whined over everything that didnt go his way on the server.
I've ended up finding COUNTLESS channels, which I now love, precisely because they were highlighted in a RUclipsr's video or a stream. I always appreciate that Charlie shows the channel and video name while reacting, because I very often go look them up myself if I enjoyed them. I just subbed to Chad Chad yesterday because I was introduced to her from Charlie's latest video, and I thought her content was great. I never would have found her or countless others otherwise.
Exactly Charlie literally blew up that one dark story guy because he watched two of his videos and we all could see the quality the guy put in his work
yea its disappointing seeing this come out, i was really enjoying their content for the past year edit: DVs analogys we’re absolutely shit and should not have been used in the way they were but he makes some decent points. however, the SA analogys are absolutely unnecessary and disrespectful to the victims of SA. i am still disappointed with DV
Why did you take everything out of context like the rape thing that was way out of context because darkviperAU made a 14 page essay on why he dislikes people that react to videos.
It’s incredible just how objectively bad this video was, and it’s genuinely nice seeing so many of his fans call him out on it. Most communities blindly defend the creator in situations like these but this is a refreshing sight to see
@@sionn1 I recommend to read that document by Matt. Darkviper's points are completely correct, it's just that you are judging by hearing one side of the argument.
@@rudraacharya8247 you should know that whenever a youtuber has more then 5 million subs most of the subs are stupid kids that belive anything the creator says and Charlie most likely knows this because he knows he can say whatever shit about small RUclipsrs to make him feel good and his brain dead fans will attack the creator like puppets
Another great example is Tuv, I got to know his amazing content thanks to Charlie, and it was so surprising to see Tuv thanking for 60k and then looking at his subcount at 500k. Charlie's reaction absolutely helped Tuv's channel to get to the spotlight and grow by himself. I really enjoy DarkViper's content, but this document was just incredibly wrong.
I started watching tuv because of charlie. I might not have watched the video I saw Charlie reacting to because I had already seen it, but I've watched several of his videos and I think that makes up for it. Even if react videos take views away sometimes if the view liked the content they're obviously going to seek out the content creator.
But the overall idea that Viper was trying to portray makes a lot of sense, and is written in the document which Charlie didn’t even link, Vipers new video explains that Charlie’s video is taken extremely out of context.
@Cryptix many of the channels admit how much Charlie has helped. Tuv has. This vid is completely wrong but if there is anything he was right about, it’s how he has helped smaller channels.
Since you yourself are a react streamer, would you be open to posting links to all your sources? Like in this video, post the link to the document and to Dark’s channel. That would be good internet integrity.
he should definitely do this from now on, I've always been a bit saddened to see him never post the link to the video he's reacting to in his descriptions
Charlie's the worst react streamer at that. 99% of the time i click on one of his videos, it's just so i can get the title of the video he's reacting to so i can watch it myself, instead of watch tiny 5 second clips of it while Charlie talks about random shit
I never seen Slap Fight until I seen your 5 year old reaction video one day. After seeing it, I went and subscribed to their channel because I wanted to watch more.
@@stellar1252 yeah but to take it completely out of context and then not have the decency to support your argument by linking the document? No one is going out of their way to find that trust me
You know the internet, by today's standards this whole drama will be obsolete in 3 days. Absolutely 0 changes will come out of this. It's just how it is when you make a video instead of discussing the matter privately to reach a common consensus.
Nah, Almost everyone (at least how I see it) is disagreeing with charlie, or at least saying that he took everything out of context, let's hope he realises he did a fck up
@@titipezehealing4348 only viper's viewers who raided this video and agree with his comparison of reaction videos to rape disagree. All the raiders appeared in the last 90 minutes or so.
@@titipezehealing4348 Listen man, I would have taken Charlie's word for granted without botherin to look up source material if it weren't for the fact that Darkviperau uploaded his side right after I finished watching Charlie's. Would have gone along with that sheep mentality bullshit. Made me take a long hard look at myself
@@purplewine7362 lol "raiders" is that what you call it when Charlie lies and then someone corrects him? What about ppl who watched this video first and then darkvipers?
Personally, this has been a complex issue I have been wrestling with for several months now. On one hand, as a viewer, I can't deny that I enjoy the content and I have seen several instances where people love/use the exposure and views off of react content to springboard their channel and to get your content in front of so many eyes is without a doubt an invaluable asset. However, there is something pretty fundamentally true about the fact that react content, although fun and enjoyable, is downright lazy and unfortunately has become a standard for so many of these RUclips and Twitch streamers and content creators. At the end of the day, I like Charlie's reactions, but I very rarely feel he does enough to really call it a creative and transformative amount but tbh, I'm not upset about it, the content is perfectly enjoyable and I don't want it to change but it's pretty fair to say it leechs off the original content although I feel that term may be harsh. Additionally, when looking up some stuff on twitter, it is fair that none of Charlie's react videos actually credit the original videos, maybe if you're hanging in twitch chat and he's sitting on the channel's page for a while it's easy to pick it up for yourself but he's really not even doing the courtesy of giving links in his RUclips videos. Maybe this is an oversimplistic solution, but would it not be possible to have the original creator of said content be paid a percent of the money made off the video? I don't know what the cut delineation would be precisely but would that not feel fair especially when so many of these content creators are making so much money that it's not like there isn't enough to go between the two parties.
Darkviper fails to realize people like Cody Ko, Danny Gonzalez, Drew Golden and so forth actually put their own spin to the content that they react to. It’s not just done lazily. They actually come up with a set-up, story and they execute it perfectly. They do a lot more work than most react channels that just watch content and that’s it.
yeah but they most often talk about weird films or larger channels where they usually heavily criticise them and making new content around it instead of just watching a smaller channels content and profiting off of it
He said there are differences between actual reactions that add something and hasan leaving his room while a video plays like it happened with his video.
Does he actually call out these people? That would be an absurd thing to say a Drew Gooden video isn't transformative. I was under the impression that it was streamers who were being called out: like Hasan, XQC, and Pokimane, who watch RUclips videos or TV shows and just kinda sit in the corner.
@@shinysky8119 But then he made a response video no? So he had time. He leaked it and name dropped to orchestrate beef and garner views and engagement because now everyone is all "you have to see his video, two sides" yada yada. So I don't buy the victim angle people are selling.
He made a response video as quick as he could to extinguish the fire that could potentially kill his career because of a simple misconception by one guy reading a document. You'd probably do the same thing if you're in that situation.
Usually like charlies takes on things but my god hes cherry picking here. Edit to add: I’ve been thinking whilst i had my lunch that charlie has purposefully left out parts of darkvipers argument to make his view. Is that how he see’s us? His fans? Purposefully leaving out information so we just get his point of view? He knows that some of his fans will take his words as gospel and not do research outside of his video and uses that to his gain to shoot down darkviper. Really disappointed.
It’s actually crazy seeing that darkviper wrote this, I regularly watch his rants and his streams and for the most part seems like a logical kind of guy, I know recently he’s been super stressed out but like daaaamn Edit: after watching darkviper and critical’s two videos on the subject my opinion is that while darkviper is mostly in the right right now critikal did admit to being wrong but still also had some fair points of criticism to dish out. I believe that they should just discuss it and talk it out peacefully for the better ment of both communities since everyone likes to go ape shit against them
I watched him quite a bit as well. Maybe the GTA speedruns made him go manic. Edit: Still don't think anyone here is really in the right or wrong. Hope they can work it out, shake hands, and be cool again.
@@aarfran I’m rationalizing that darkviper has a lot on his plate and just went overboard venting. I know he can be a great guy and live his community but his anger consumes him, whether you decide to stop following him or not I personally won’t because I know he can do better
Jay Exci: Spends a month compiling a really good takedown of a very specific type of lazy react content, explaining in great detail why it's morally objectionable on almost every level, to the point people feel the need to strawman her in order to counter her position effectively. DarkViper: Immediately afterwards posts the script for an upcoming video that is exactly the same in premise but needlessly inflammatory and less cohesive on almost every level
yeah, there's about the comment i was gonna make. exactly this, jay talked about very specific types of reaction content and she doesn't otherwise go after anyone producing react content except for the most notable and overall disliked sorts. and she even gets second opinions from other youtubers and some disagree with her main point. her video is very thoughtful and lighthearted and this is just goofy.
@@pharoahcaraboo9610 I also appreciate that Jay mentioned in the video that she is herself makes react content both in video and stream form, and that she likes the majority of it. She doesn't just pull this weird "react channels are bad people" shit because it's just not true.
I'd recommend people either don't engage with this drama at all (therefore not forming an opinion of darkviper), or they go and watch darkviper's video immediately afterwards. If you just watch this video, and engage with this situation enough to form a negative opinion on darkviper, but don't watch darkviper's response, you're doing him an immense disservice. This is because a lot of what Charlie responds to isn't what darkviper was actually saying, or was missing key context. If you read the document and watch darkviper's vid, it's clear that the unlikable, unreasonable version of darkviper that Charlie presents in this video isn't real.
I don't think darkviper's video makes him out to be that much more likeable and reasonable. He still makes a lot of bad hyperbolic analogies, dismisses a lot of the benefits of reaction content, and makes arguments which he has no actual evidence for. He also misrepresented Ludwig's video, saying that it disproved Cr1tikal's video on short content, when it didn't. A lot of the arguments Cr1tikal made in favor of react content are also still valid. It's annoying how stupid and passionate this debate has gotten, but then again that's usually how these discussions on react content have gone in the past so I guess it's not that surprising.
@@Arctrooper2091 What is a benefit to react content? Also what claims did DViper make that need evidence to back them up? Everything he argued in the doc and video was 100% based in logic.
@@britts9988 For an example of a benefit, look at Ordinary Sausage. Before Cr1tikal reacted to him he was getting views below 10k. After, he got a massive jump in subscribers and is now gets 100k a video. Reaction channels do lead to views, especially for smaller channels. DarkViper downplays this, saying that they would have found the video through the algorithm or that other creators would have been found if viewers had been watching things other than react content. While you are right that this is “based in logic”, it is not based in evidence. Also, while it is logical that content would have been found through the algorithm or other means, it’s also logical that it wouldn’t. For example, I do not watch food channels, so the algorithm likely would not have fed me (pun intended) Ordinary Sausage’s channel. I also might not have found a different channel to watch, as I rarely find new channels to subscribe to on my own. I might have found different videos to watch, but I also might have done something else besides watch RUclips. I also might have watched just a couple videos from a channel instead of subscribing and being a consistent viewer of Ordinary Sausage. There frankly not a lot of evidence to say if and how much reaction content is taking from other RUclipsrs.
@@alexendo2955 go and watch DarkViper's video. Penguinz0 took a big L here. He totally misinterpreted the document that Dark Viper wrote. And moreover critical thinking is enough to realise what DarkViper said is actually true. You don't need to present factual data for it.
@@brothergunns5055 okay thanks but i feel like darkviper should have explained that better in the document, i also think that critical was upset because he was compared to a rapist lol
@@alexendo2955 it was a script for a video. Not meant to be explained. He would have addressed all issues in his video. DarkViper compared the tendencies of reactors with rapists. And it's true to some extent. Both doesn't take consent, and both are bound to repeat the offense.
Love both channels, but i think Charlie was too focused on dropping witty analogies rather than addressing the actual arguments in Dark’s essay. That being said react content can be great if something new is added to it as Charlie has said before, not sure why both of them are taking it so personally
Let's make some distinctions to this. "React" means watch something for the first time, without preparation. You may be able to add something witty to it, but if you think about it, does that offset the hours and hours the other person has spent on the video? If we simply go off of labour here, I think it doesn't matter how clever your comments are. Commentary videos and analyses are completely different. In those, the analyst watches the video in advance, and then scripts essentially a video essay in which he or she explains exactly what the problems in the original video were. Criticism. This criticism can of course be then packaged in witty remarks, metaphors, and just an all-around fun video. I'm not saying analyses need to be serious. Kind of like the content Charlie used to make, where he would comment on other videos and shows in a fun way, where most of it was him talking over clips of the content in question, and the whole thing being edited. Just watching something on stream, however, is completely different, no matter how funny or witty the reactions are. This is serious, because it is financially hurting thousands of other people. I hope this clears up your questions! Cheers
I had no idea what defuntland, Ordinary Sausage, and even Chikara Wrestling was until you covered in Charlie. You actually opened my eyes to so many new avenues to content and interests because you looked at them both in videos and on-stream. Viper's absolutely insane if he thinks react youtubers are leeches like he's trying to spin that they are
Same I started watching AtrocityGuide, Defunctland and SunnyV2 only thanks to Charlie. And I learned I liked documentary style vids thanks to him, which I never got recommended before because of the things I already watched (mainly gamers and sketch channels) so the algorithm never recommended those things to me even tho its great content
@@kidmosey It depends, if the person with 30k subs is transforming their content and either adding humor or criticism or something to a good percentage of the vid then imo it still doesn't seem like they're leeching off H3H3, but ofcourse there are those who do leech but the point is that its definitely not an absolute like "Every single react streamer is evil/bad"
@@kidmosey It depends, if the person with 30k subs is transforming their content and either adding humor or criticism or something to a good percentage of the vid then imo it still doesn't seem like they're leeching off H3H3, but ofcourse there are those who do leech but the point is that its definitely not an absolute like "Every single react streamer is evil/bad"
For every one reaction streamer/RUclipsr like Charlie there’s twenty that just sit there with a look of mild excitement every now and then saying “wow” or “what?!”. I’ve never liked the argument of “they’re giving exposure by watching”, they are, but unless they have their own commentary going along with it or only upload small sections of the whole video, the viewer has no reason to go and seek out the original content creator. I think it was about a year or so ago, but there was drama on twitch surrounding reaction content and there were clips showing Pokimane and Hassan getting up and walking off stream for like ten minutes whilst someone else’s content was being played on stream. What does that add to the original video?
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React content is probably the most mixed bag when it comes to content. Some channels actually review the content and add value to it whereas some people just use it for free clicks
Nah some people or streamers use it for the views
That's what I was thinking too.
@YeaMan hello I am your biggest fan! I love your diverse comments ❤️ Thank you 🙏
Yeah, there isn’t a one size fits all when it comes to reacting.
People either actually add something into it like commentary and genuine reactions like Charlie, and theres people who just sit down and watch the whole video they're reacting to without doing anything and being silent the whole time, basically watching the whole video with the streamers facecam being stoic.
I'm an awful person.
I guess you are
We know Ken
Yes you are
NO KEN
think of the small creators you monster.
I'm not against reaction content as a whole, but I am against lazy reaction content. If a streamer or creator or whoever sits down in front of their webcam and silently watches someone else's work while eating their lunch, that is adding nothing. It is not transformative in any way, it's just stealing and once the viewers of that "reaction" have seen the video, they have no reason to go to the original cause they've already watched it through. But if someone is constantly stopping the video to discuss what was said, offering critique and opinion (on a regular basis not just once or twice) then they're adding something different and potentially worthwhile. And since the video is constantly being interrupted, there's a greater chance some viewers will want to go and see it themselves. Though I still would prefer if reactors didn't watch ENTIRE videos on stream. Maybe cut to a fullscreen facecam at points during it so the viewers have reason to go see what they were missing.
At the end of the day, reaction content isn't going anywhere, but to me there is a right and wrong way to do it and so many huge personalities tend to do it the wrong way.
I mean if it’s legal it’s legal.
Doesn't Charlie do exactly that?
@@cl4267 yea, I’m confused on this take, Charlie does EXACTLY this on his twitch.
@@flogos989 he says he tries to add things but any stream i saw from him was just watching content and sometimes interjecting a word or two.
@@cl4267 I'm speaking generally. Based on this video, Charlie understands the need to be transformative and even realizes when he hasn't been. He's not the issue.
"I do react content from time to time" that is an understatement...
He also used to regularly shit on reaction content as well as continuously bitches about lazy content.
And then the makes it like a total tool.
Just like he shit on drama channels and makes garbage like this.
Lmao RIGHT
what did the other reply say
@@thatisaduck something
Idk about everyone else but I click and watch because of charlie I couldn't care less about the content hes "reacting" to...He makes the usually unwatchable and retarded content he reacts to entertaining.
I normally love Charlie but here he’s just flat out wrong. I HEAVILY encourage people to read the actual document, he’s taken a number of things completely out of context and framed this in a way as to make Dark look as bad as possible. I love both these creators but this really seems like a defensive knee-jerk reaction from Charlie because it hits so close to home.
lesgoooooooooooooooooo
Yes finaly someone who understands
I hope Charlie sees this then
It's a pain in ass to find. He wants people to watch the video and have a tribal mindset and do as he says. But I like both but Charlie is wrong this time
Yea I loved Charlie too but this just proves he is like everyone else just letting different dog shit fall out of his mouth
Charlie, I think you should include the unfinished script in the description. I've never heard of dark viper before this but after watching this I saw his response and it really does seem like you've done him dirty. If what he's said is bad enough like you make out show/ link the original script instead of taking what he's wrote out of context then making claims/ counter claims you don't prove or provide any evidence towards which you call dark viper out for doing.
ruclips.net/video/cqWNmXYC76A/видео.html - watch this , Matt did nothing wrong , Charlie defamed him
@@bblLover100 "defamed" him, so I see that defamation/libel is the new buzzword people are going to use incorrectly.
@@WontBeSaved define it
Excellent point
Just google it bro, he clearly mentioned that’s what he’s talking about and it’s definitely not hard to find. You know his source, you know where to find it, he shouldn’t have to hold ur hand all the way there
Let's be honest, there is a definite issue with reaction channels doing the least and wanting the most.
Sidemen and Mr. Beast are guilty of that.
I saw a reaction channel once that used someone’s animation and got way way more views than the original. The channel owner felt bad about it but another react channel owner came in and said something along the lines of “you should be proud you got more views it means your stuff is better than theirs” and I was just blown away lol
@@davids2606 Critikal as well tbh. I still enjoy it cuz I wouldn't have found the videos if he didn't cover them.
500 hours of work to get paid in "exposure"
@@davids2606 Nah man Sidemen are calm their reaction are actually good they don't just sit there and say nuthin
sometimes I watch Charlie's videos out of order and feel like I got thrown in a hyperbolic time chamber or something. I watched the drama response video before this one and thought this whole situation happened a long time ago but nope. this goku-frieza-on-namek fight has taken place only over the last 3 days!
you meat riders need to stop commenting nonsense😂😂charlie completely misunderstood the document and is too scared to admit it.
JESUS CHRIST 😭😭😭
I'm watching this video for the first time now, right after watching Charlie talk about why he quit doing reaction videos and put this part of his channel in the past.
I’m tryna see the twitch timeline by Moist and I feel like future Trunks😭😭
people hate reactors unless its their favorite streamer/youtuber doing it
charlie does youtube nights himself
I mean no shit
Yeah they act all hypocritical, bots
There's actually a really great video by Jay Exci about this. He talks about how there's good and bad reaction content, and that it's about finding the balance between showing an amount of a video and also adding enough commentary and actual reactions to make it your own. Some get it pretty right, like Charlie, some not so much.
This hit's too close to home although I believe the ones I watch at least add to it. For example The Corridor Crew Analysing SFX
He's not necessarily a streamer, but Vlogging Through History would be another example of a react format done right. He's a historian who reacts to history-related content while offering feedback, fun anecdotes, and other cool stuff to the point where the reaction is drastically longer than the video. Just an example of how reaction content can most certainly be very good, and even enhancing.
Sooo much good history content on RUclips that does reactions-- they fill in blanks, they talk about their experience learning it, how it relates to other areas of history etc.
Agree, I also watch his videos
No wrong
Mr terry is pretty cool too
Vlogging through history reacts to historical videos and adds some things that we might not know, and adds contexts to some things. That's what reaction channels should be.
its good to see that many charlie's fans are calling him out for misrepresenting DarkViper's point. glad to see that this fanbase isnt blinded just because charlie is their favourite/ one of their favourite youtubers and actually understand that a coin has two sides to it
Yes indeed.
well not really all of charlie fanbase
@@M-a-r-c a good portion though
nah, just nah. people arent calling him out for being wrong, people just follow whatever the new narrative is. everybody agreed with charlie about the things he said and about the document, but then after one video comes out from darkviper everybody suddenly thinks charlie is completely wrong. if charlies makes a video doubling down everybody will be on his side again.
noone is being honest here, they're just drama frogs who follow whatever narrative they last heard and use that to be negative towards people
@@Sopsy_Hallow no one huh? you seem to be really sure about that
There is a really specific memory I have from an old video of Charlie's. My friend showed me his channel around 8 years ago, when all he did was voice over playing video games, with the first video he showed me being an Operation Room simulator game. He was very against showing his face, saying his name, or having his viewers know anything about him personally, he was simply kritical/penguinz0.
Then one day he posted a video, still voicing over a game, however talking about his real life and how sad he had been lately, from having lost both his girlfriend and gotten fired from his job, he was not in a good place. However, he said what he felt most ashamed about was since he lost his job, he needed to start using the money his channel was making to make ends meet instead of donating it the way he normally did, and he was just totally stuck on this fact, and that he hoped to get back on his feet and be able to make up the money he meant to donate. Thats when I realized how good of a person he truly was
Dam I remember that too. It was really wholesome
I remember this too! The fact he was donating his youtube earnings for so long, what a beautiful soul he has. And the way he spoke about how he would have to use the money; as though he was asking *our permission* to use his own money, and apologising for it. I truly believe he has the biggest heart of all content creators, and I truly wish nothing but happiness and success for the rest of his life.
Finding out Charlie is only a couple years older than me was a shock, I remember seeing that QWOP vid when I was, what, 16? I remember showing the girls in my class and we were all guessing he was about late 30s, 40s, because of his voice. And he was just a lil 16 year older, like us! Aging while watching him has been a trip, I stopped watching for 3/4 years before 2016 and a little after but man, his content is as good as it's ever been right now.
This little puff piece you wrote on him doesn’t justify him stealing content.
@@shortstarwarsessays1842 this is coming from a person who steals content
@@knighter1209 How do I steal content, I also have no ads on my contend and I get hardly any views. I upload it for myself and would gladly make it private if it offends you so much. I do not sit there take other peoples videos play it all the way through and put ads on it, it’s wrong and a very scummy thing to do.
It blew my mind when React World tried to trademark the “react” genre. They were going to make people pay to literally react to videos. If you want a good laugh you can look up their introduction to the “trademark” series and then their apology which followed shortly after.
ruclips.net/video/rN55-aamkOA/видео.html
Yippee
in hindsight, maybe they were the good guys
Man i really hate when i see that someone is putting his reactions as something you have to pay to be able to see
I had that same feeling too,
I wonder how this guys gonna feel like whenever he makes an apology video.
NPD's a helluva drug
I would like to see twitch implement like a “watch party” feature for youtube where the viewers would watch the content from their own accounts just to boost (or rather accurately reflect) the view numbers
@Nisa Suharni surely it's not a bot, there's just no way, also you tweaking
That would be amazing
Holy sh*t, that's a great idea!
That’s an amazing idea
@Nisa Suharni that Spanish makes zero sense lmaoo
Wow its actually nice to see in the comments a community that cared about the other side of the story before they started dogpiling on someone without any consideration. Idk anything about this situation but it seems that Charlie might have made a mistake and if thats true, thankfully he has a community that will let him know
i dunno if you look at comments from before dvvideo then ts a big ass dogpile, its only the last few hours that ts become about the other side as well
ay fuck barca
@@stevenchaloner162 Dang ya I figured. I dont really do too much looking into things but i saw almost all the top comments seem to be defending the guy and it surprised me. But that's not to say there will still be a whole bunch of ppl who dogpile without context anyways
@@stevenchaloner162 go watch a video on the darkviperau channel where he made a response to this video bringing up all the points Charlie didnt care to bring up or he didnt want to
@@kike6359 🤣🤣🤣
Let's be honest guys, some of us have definitely wished for a button that removed viral low-effort reaction channels from our recommended.
there is one, hover over the video, three dots, don't recommend
@@rippingaxe I don't feel like clicking that every time criticals videos pop up, because he has 10 million subs.
@@3dirt516 you can also click don't recommend channel
@@rippingaxe only to get another recommendation by the thousands of reaction channels
@@3dirt516 well eventually there will be no more recommendations like that. that's the most you can do as far as I know
Kinda feels like the argument of the document was missed, rather took extreme examples out of context to criticize the examples and not the leading point itself. React content is kinda whack, it's not very transformative and takes away engagement from a creators channel and any other potentially recommended channels after that.
Yup. This has so many red flags & clearly was meticulously set up to make darkviper look as bad as possible with so much stuff purposely taken out of context…. Classless move by Charlie.
Bayzed take
I complete agree
charlies just mad he got called out
tbf Charlie is a funny dude but his youtube content is like a reddit top comment generator just in video form. 99% of the time he just states some vanilla normie popular opinion that the majority of his demographic already agrees with and dresses it in his "edgy" humor.
Pokimane watching someones entire video while eating in silence, and then "saying nice things about it" is the bare minimum you can do after watching someones content with thousands of people, and it's hilarious that charlie doesn't recognize that.
" I mean yeah he was a tax evader, sure, but one time, he did pay three dolars so he's okay"
Small creators don't complain about reactors is because they're small, inexperienced, and don't know better
As for big channels who are affected by reactors and do complain just look at jay exsi. They've make several streams and an hour long video explaining why this isn't ok
Yeah Poki and Hassan are some that come to mind who take the “Jinx” approach to reacting and Hassan is worst since his egos is so big that he just attacks whoever criticized him
@@LivingLikeLarry12 "Jinx" i haven't heard that name in years
@@LivingLikeLarry12 go watch dark vipers response video. Charlie purposefully makes stuff up and takes a lot of of context in order to make himself look better.
Old media has this figured out long ago. If you want to provide `curated` content, you're going to have to pay the original creator.
Paying with 'exposure' is possible but only when the original creator agreed to that.
The rapist argument, while absurd and in bad taste, sheds light on this, the reactor is not asking if the original creator wants to be paid in exposure. They just re-stream the video...
In software development, consent is given through a license attached to the code/content.
In music, there's a license required to stream/play music you did not create yourself.
On youtube, there's a gap where a license would provide clarity. And it seems that they're still a long way of fixing that.
I hope, in a couple of years, there's a youtube.com, where you can watch videos for yourself, and and reacttube.com where all content fit for re-streams is available.
Pokimane got a dmca strike for watching full episodes of avatar. Why does that not apply to RUclips videos people put hundreds of hours on.
Someone: _Makes ONE analogy in an argument_
Moist: Your analogy is super wrong forget the rest of your argument let’s talk about why this analogy sucks so much
Yeah there’s some weird cherry picking going on here
I mean i still think this reaction is justified. You don’t compare someone to a rapist even as a over sensualized analogy
@@wolfiemuse I wouldn’t say that it is justified
exactly. i love both content creators but i gotta take matts side on this one
I'm actually sadge and disappointed.. 😞
Charlie passionately using the phrase “I was deep into the slap rabbit hole” made me spit out my coffee 😂
@senni bgon oi mate, wot ah yew on about then?
@senni bgon what are you on about actually? Lmao
@senni bgon druggie
If that’s all it takes to make you laugh so hard you spit out your coffee then maybe you would also get a kick out of Amy Schumers stand up special on Netflix.
@@shortstarwarsessays1842 it’s funny how you spent a whole comment section arguing with others about how he steals content only to go out of your way to criticize someone’s humor a few months later it’s entirely unnecessary if anything it seems like your lashing out
What upsets me isn't the document. It's the fact that Charlie completely either misinterpreted it, or was just outright wrong. I'm on DVs side of things because if you look at his response video, he clarifies all the misinterpreted points made in this video. People are more likely to take Charlie's side on things because he is the larger creator, but status shouldn't matter in a scenario like this. Don't be that guy who immediately takes one side just because it's the person you like better. Watch DVs video first, then make a decision.
You're completely right dude
Agreed sir
I have no idea how he could misinterpret was was clearly an analogy, I’m glad that I went out of my way to read it myself
@@KinguKirimuzon He had to, otherwise he had no point
listen to his video very closely. it's not the document that has him upset. he' took part of the document as a very personal attack. he reinterinates the same points about the rapist comparison and his name being used. relative to charlies understanding, the document is an ad homin attack. his response is him not apreaciating being attacked even though. the document really isn't about his specifically. Don't know what charlie is going through in his personal life but homie might not be okay right n ow.
I have been watching for 5-6 years now and almost always agrees with what he says because of how well thought out most of what he says is without feeling like he is attacking another person due to his own feelings. However this time it feels a lot different with Charlie trying to take what DarkViper says out of context and blowing it out of perportion. I also feel like Charlie is bringing his own feelings in to this. I could be wrong but this video feels like it’s trying to bring negative attention to DarkViper.
arent you bringing your own feelings into this?
@Codex And a RUclipsr that is 10x smaller, DarkViperAU could've lost thousands of subscribers if he didn't release his own video about the topic. Even worse, DarkViperAU was making and writing the script for the video about his thoughts on reaction content that he was about to release and go more into detail on the topic, but his plan was ruined by Charlie because he felt violated.
@@1_FLASKFAN No. They are stating their opinion based off of the evidence provided to them.
Just 3 days after he passed 10mil sub and now he is doing this, I’m really disappointed.
His videos aren't well thought out, he's just saying what you're wanting to hear. Critikal has been devoid of genuine logic for years.
I don't wanna see mum and dad argue but judging by the comments on both videos, Matt must've disassembled this entire video with surgical precision in his response video
He did, definitely go watch it
hahaha this is the best comment here
Yeah he did lol cause that’s the type of person he is he literally wrote a 14 page essay on it that Charlie is referring to but obviously Charlie took tiny chunks and used them in his favor without context
Darkviper's response video ruclips.net/video/cqWNmXYC76A/видео.html for anyone who wants to know
Funnily enough darkviper reacts to this video
Idk why RUclips doesn't just add an automated system that shares the revenue when you're reacting to a video
Then reaction videos would die
RUclips doesn’t want to get rid of its cash cow
What shocks me is that even though Charlie is a massive youtuber/streamer that has seen so much drama in both platforms he couldnt just have a direct conversations with Matt to better understand the document. What could have been a discussion between two knowledgeable people turns into one-sided discussions and drama. People need to learn to talk with each other and only then, if they still think it´s worth it, make a video about it.
Lol you're right but Critikal is a react youtuber/streamer so of course he chose to react.
DarkViper has responded, sad that Charlie takes alot of stuff out on context etc:/ i will take what he says with a pinch of salt from now on:/ ruclips.net/video/cqWNmXYC76A/видео.html
@@Wolf-Brigade you should apply that to most people on the internet including that other guy
yes, instead of clashing two giant fan bases together. But i guess at the end of the day they make more money then
@@fizzinsoda isn't that why he released the document name dropping instead of making the video? I'm sure this has been very profitable so far.
Coryxkenshin is a good example of someone uplifting smaller channels by reacting to them to, he doesn't do it all the time but the times he does, they gained a lot
@Mbita Acoustic Guitar no he didn’t
Yeah and I think he actually asks permission beforehand
I'm shocked Charlie would make a video like this. He took the whole document out of context and heavily defamed Matt.
He truly is a "disingenuous and dense motherfucker" sometimes
let's see the outcome
@@A_D_H_L I like that 😂
Ong bro these people leaving comments defaming matt are misled by a landslide
@Pedro who did what
Reaction channels are the laziest and most bottom effort form of content creation on any video sharing site.
It does not require much effort at when you are doing nothing but reacting to the original content of more creative people.
The only time I've had an issue with a reactor is when they told an animator that their content wasn't creative due to art style and that sitting on a couch watching their content is more creative. They ended up deleting that video due to heavy backlash and have never addressed it since.
who
I swear I’ve seen this comment somewhere before.....weird dejavu
Well, my respect for a person drops to zero the moment a react streamer decides to take down others videos and channels for including their content. Basically, i majorly dislike double standards.
WHO
Now I think I know who you're talking about but I'm not gonna make any assumptions on who it is
I would like to encourage everyone to see DarkViperAU's response before taking a stance. It's unfair to only hear one side of the argument.
heavily agree, as a person who is subscribed to both people i am shocked to see charlie try and do some shit like this
Thank you , people are judging dark even though they haven't even looked at the document , Charlie defamed matt and took thing matt said out of context , ruclips.net/video/cqWNmXYC76A/видео.html
@@entity5279 same bro
Yep just finished the video
@@entity5279 But my man just compared react streamers to sexual predators
I normally appreciate Charlie's opinions but this is the first time I've really had a problem with one - the blatant misconstruing and hypocrisy in this just doesn't sit right with me, not even going to the effort of linking the document being discussed and discredited.
YUP, Same, DarkVieperAU's response here:
ruclips.net/video/cqWNmXYC76A/видео.html
yeah matt's hypocrisy about calling reactors rapist despite having react content himself
@@danielhernandez2575 Have you even seen the response
@@danielhernandez2575 even if he is a hypocrite that doesnt dissprove his point and also the rapist part it was an analogy for reactors only backing off if you straight up say no even if you clearly need permission
@@titosyettos2689 Watching a video on stream doesn't equal having intercourse without consent and shouldn't be compared. The context behind them is vastly different and its absurd he used THAT analogy when there are plenty other ones that fit better.
It amazes me to no end that 1 video with poorly done research and lack of communication can lead to so many people hating on Matt (DarkviperAU) and misreading what he said/wrote but this is what I should have expected from people who can barely read 14 pages.
The worst part is the fact that Charlie or any other reactor was never compared to a rapist …It was an “analogy” of exploitation without permission…Fuck Charlie
This is the same guy who recently made that Dark and Darker video missing tons of context
This is the first time I've seen Charlie's fanbase call him out collectively for being wrong.
I know, I can't believe Charlie is a rapist, glad the fanbase corrected him here.
This is the first time I've seen any fanbase call him out collectively for being wrong, but still be fans of whoever they are calling out, claiming that he may have made an honest mistake as a benefit of doubt.
@@TheLordAizen I don't remember that appearing in the document.
@@davids2606 Congrats on pointing how dense yourself and other Viper fans are then I guess
@@neesuman3759 Probably because this is the first time, if something like this happens again Twitter is going to banish him to the shadow realm.
I get that Charlie isnt the brightest bulb in the box; he's never pretended otherwise, but this is just embarassingly wrong and misrepresentative of what DarkViper said. This is incredibly disappointing to see
He's misrepresenting this on purpose, see DarkViper's response here:
ruclips.net/video/cqWNmXYC76A/видео.html
@Nigga _ how is your username even allowed? Also yes but i'm trying to get people to watch DarkViper's video, that's all.
Same tactic as the self promo guys just that it's more relevant :))
@Nigga _ LUL
@Nigga _ maybe, but you can't deny he will always be the funny likeable guy that talks about buttholes and fleshlights. It's kind of sad how when you make the kind of persona you can't really go back to being serious, it just feels uncanny.
@Nigga _ I mean, he's not wrong in being upset for being name-dropped alongside XQC and other streamers who are clearly on another level of reaction scum. Other than that, he did a very bad job presenting Matt's points. I see this as an exception, though. Usually Charlie is quite reasonable and doesn't fail to make good points.
Also, this isn't twitter, no one's cancelling anyone. Unlike the mouth breathers on twitter, people here actually try to come to a common consensus (for the most part).
React streams are cool if the reactor actually adds commentary, streams like those are fun
Like dontai
@@Ballfondler624 dontai is boring
Not really I can read people by their facial expressions so talking while reacting is really annoying to me. Or pausing is also a fine option to talk
Yeah because if they don’t you might as well just be watching the show or video they are reacting to.
@@Haha-Jim for sure it’s getting ridiculous at this point I haven’t seen a recent video about it
I am always amazed by how fast charlie switches from a rather eloquent way of speech, even without any script, to a pretty casual way of talking with swearing and sarcasm. One of my favorite things about him.
Istina, rođak
and it's all monotone so same
If Charlie was truly a bad react streamer, he’d be wearing his black shirt right now.
RUclips really needs to do something about these bots
It sucks when my report button does absolutely nothing against bot replies on my own comment.
@@yahia5476 But they won't. They never do anything right.
ruclips.net/video/XvF7xlZ9PWM/видео.html
Enjoy
no way, free porn??? not like theres a website for it no way, gotta click!
Rule 1 of arguing dont listen to the other side
Rule 2 make up their argument before they can
Rule 3 argue your side while looking for every way to make the other guy look like the asshole without letting them defend themselves
Edit: I also don't think Charlie should apologize for being a react content creator because he isn't just that, however I think he should apologize to dark viper for consciously cutting off his ability to make the video without it being shrouded in controversy from the get go, and the for blatant misrepresentation of dark vipers character for the consent analogy that we all understand that somehow Charlie twisted into saying matt was a rapist, like the fuck dude?
I think you've got to watch both videos to understand your point. And then they probably agree with you anyway.
this is probably the worst video charlie has made
Rule 4 be friends with Susan Wojici and Twitch Admins so that you can make sure your revenue streams stay open since a large portion of your content relies on nebulously structured and interpreted fair use laws
I understand Charlie wants to defend himself he feels he's done nothing wrong thats okay... its just kinda funny Charlie decided to jump out in front of Matt's video without letting him make his own argument I think he really shot himself in the foot there because he only has the argument that he made for the document not what matt had intended the argument to be, Charlie also seems to purposely misunderstand the consent analogy and accost Matt's character without even knowing what matt means... even though everyone knows you ask for consent first you don't just do what you want and apologize if needed later
@@frankmerker630 dude you’re reaching
I think you've done Dark a disservice with this video. It, ironically, goes some way to proving his point: you've grown comfortable simply firing off your gut reaction to anything and everything, and in this case it's ended with a lot of bad tales, deflection and serious misrepresentation of his document.
True
Yea Charlie knows that people won’t actually read the document. The fact that he hasn’t linked it yet speaks volumes.
Boom, headshot.
Old Charlie vids were lit dumping on tik took culture and stuff this he’s just going for the reach over some remarks
So true
Some React channels are bad, but that's the case for all types of channels.
true
y does this have one like
without a doubt all verified commenters are bad though
@@thisisaretiredaccount a lot are, yes, but why all? Would you consider me bad for commenting? For using a feature on RUclips?
Most react channels are lame
My initial reaction to seeing Matt being flamed by Charlie was 'oh no has Matt let the frustration of speedrunning get to him?'... however this topic has been worked on tirelessly and passionately by Matt, and Charlie is 100% in the wrong for putting out his video just because the script mentioned his name and probably triggered a response.
What this has done is swayed a majority of people away from Matt's content and killed the discussion of this topic before it was even brought to light. However I do believe Charlie is a good person who has unknowingly done this and would benefit from actually understanding the argument being made. This could be done by both of them sitting down and having a conversation be it offline or online.
Also, please ignore the unnecessary personal attacks made by both parties and focus on the argument.
I definitely agree that Charlie is inherently a good person and just seems to be unknowingly doing what he is. I hope Matt's document can convince not just react viewers, but also explain the problem to react streamers themselves. Unfortunately, since Matt is so passionate about it and clearly labels react streamers as bad people, this will probably be hard to swallow for most people.
It's a 10 v 1 here on subscribers so I'm worried. RUclips people are known to mobilize at basically nothing.
@@Blucario90 Tbh Matt made good points so I can respect him arguing with someone who has WAY more supporters than him and can, at any time, "hate raid" him. It's a different case if he's just ranting pointlessly, but the reality is, it's the opposite.
I actually think Matt might grow from Charlies reaction :')
@@dan4992 yes, look at how much he has grown since,
ruclips.net/video/cqWNmXYC76A/видео.html
I don’t know if it’s just me, but I love it when a streamer or other creator reacts to my content, so long as it isn’t lazy. I get useful feedback and sometimes minor boosts to my videos
Damn I did not expect to see you here. love the videos. Reminds me of sam onella mixed with history house productions.
Jus cus u said that I subbing u cus u jus make react contnt n u gro off it lmaooo
Yeah I get your viewpoint, but it likely is lost views if they do the reaction like some streamers do; just sitting there and watching the whole video unedited,which equals to lost money and a bad taste for the creator while the reactor runs off with a thousand bucks in their wallet.
Why watch original content when you can watch the video with someone else reacting to videos?
Why go out of your way to find the original piece of content after you've watched a reaction video of that same video with someone else's commentary.
If someone makes video X, that took 1000 hours to make, it's full of knowledge, research, nice editing, background footage, the whole shabang, and a reactor comes around and watches video X, uses only 10 minutes of effort to nick your video and put it on the screen and just talk about it every now and again, video X's creator doesn't make any money or views from it, at the very best like 300 inactive subs and 3 new viewers that stick around, while the reactor gets $2000 from video X's creator's 1000h of labor.
With game reviews and gameplay, you can't get the whole experience of the game from a video, there's always some aspect in the controls that make it worth it to buy the game, videos don't have this luxury, if you watch a video, that's it, you know the video now, sure you can come back and watch it again since it was good, but you're not likely to go off a reactor's channel to a whole different channel to seek a single video out.
Just wanted to say your videos are bangers
@@TheBiggestCorn i don't think it's the stream reaction that's hurting the original videos to be honest. It's when people (not the streamer) clip the whole reaction from the stream and post it on youtube and then makes it to the front result
As much as I love you Charlie, I'd genuinely take a more nuanced look at Dark's document and also a look at his response. You have genuinely misrepresented lots of his points and making one of the focal points an (admittedly extreme) analogy over the vast majority of the document and even the context of which he used the analogy makes you look lazy and makes me have to question your integrity, especially as this is in defence against criticism of a practice you partake in.
Thank you, here's the link to his response video:
ruclips.net/video/cqWNmXYC76A/видео.html
i agree. you can’t deny the analogy was right. although i did think it was a bit extreme i understood the point he was trying to make and that’s the point of analogy’s. they aren’t trying to make their own point, dark wasn’t comparing reactors to sex offenders. the analogy is only there to help people understand his original point. i’m sure charlie knows this and chose to take it the wrong way considering it’s the first thing he mentions about the document not even a minute into the video.
Hats off for u mate.
Bro he knows he is wrong but he wants to keep reacting to stuff for ez money so ofc he is going to misrepresent it.
"This is a MASSIVE document with LOADS of words.... so basically he just called us rapists 😞"
@@eliza1905 I hope it was an honest mistake that he took it the wrong way, but if he did purposely twist DVau's words to be used against him then he's just as good as the crappy channels he reacts to.
This aged really bad. Given the fact how you all jump on the SSSniperwolf train, only underlines that Darkviper was right from the very beginning.
People have been shitting on commentary since 2012. It's not new. What is new, however, is the level of commentary that these channels provide. Whether you agree with Charlie or DarkViper, SSSniperwolf's content is not transformative or entertaining at all; it's straight theft. At least with most creators, they will speak on the topic and actually add something to the video, as well as direct attention towards the channels. Even Charlie shat on SSSniperwolf.
Crazy how darkviper also said sssniperwolf makes good reaction content
@@AUSWQPCV The hell? When did he say that?
@@AUSWQPCVhe said she makes higher effort content than reactors like Charlie and asmongold, not that she made good reactions. Bad or not she has highly edited videos which is a lot harder and more time consuming than just pressing the play button
@@MannyPardoPillow1989 Do you agree with darkviper though
Ok now link the document and look at everything pointed at in actual context
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Excatly. I personally think charlie is wrong here
You should read the full document Charlie.
Ayy, Undead Army
@@JTmaxx 😎
Or at least link the full document in the description to THIS video. Jesus. That's like the bare minimum he should do if he's serious about engaging in a good-faith discussion.
Aight Charlie, you know what to do. The bad RUclips apology tradition.
then matt can react to his video saying its a bad apology, and then charlie starts speedrunning gta 5, kills himself and blames darkviperau
This is the dude from tiktok charlie
You kidding. Charlie couldn't even make a real apology for the projared situation.
Charlie's blunt, sarcastic and factual comments delivered in his signature lack of emotion is why I like his videos. RUclips White T-Shirt Moist Jesus ftw.
ruclips.net/video/rN55-aamkOA/видео.html
Yippee.
@serlihot💯💞 penguinz brother reacting too him ruclips.net/video/IHpwFrAud5M/видео.html
So Charlie is why you like Charlie?
Wtf?
@@williamboyce4829 wow he likes the person because he likes his personality i have no clue what you mean by this comment bro💀
Whenever Charlie used to react to something bad like attaway general, he 100% added way more to it and made me laugh so much, a lot of channels that just blankly stare at a video and call it a “react” are definitely garbage, but actual good reactors shouldn’t be lumped together with those people
EDIT : I went and watched DarkViperAU’s video and after seeing that, I do now think that cr1tikal is in the wrong here, however my initial point still stands that he did transform and improve attaway general A LOT.
*Cough* fine bros *cough*
cough hasan couh
charlie doesn’t really react that much a lot of the times lmao
Bro
adin ross will just watch in silence and randomly pause and go AYO???!!? most of the time lmao
Charlie is the actual reason I watch some of my now favorite channels. Nexpo, Mama Max, Defunctland, and Summoning Salt to name a few. If it wasn't for Charlie reacting to these creators, I may never have found their channels. So thank you Charlie.
Food dip and Kay’s cooking
3 months later and shots have been fired... lethal ones.
I believe most react streamers can be decent, depending on what they do. For example, we got Charlie as a react streamer and he is doing a great job of doing that. Props to him!
@Mbita Acoustic Guitar penguinz brother reacting too him ruclips.net/video/IHpwFrAud5M/видео.html
@Mbita Acoustic Guitar shut up.
@@Forgiveiolord accurate name
Blutube baby, she's cool
Idk I just miss the originality of what used to be twitch nowadays I feel like it's a lot of people trying new stuff that is literally not new or half the effort I simply try not to go on twitch as much as I can anymore cuz I think it's just a bunch of lazy people at this point expecting people to watch them
Dark Viper has a whole response to this, and despite being subscribed to both I really think Dark came back at Charlie with the receipts to back it up.
Look if we can just get these two to sit down or get this out of the way or whatever maybe instead of both channels trying to kill each other it could maybe end up going down how Dark Viper and Some Ordinary Gamers went.
For real man, I don't want to see these 2 gems go away or keep ranting with each other. They really need to settle their agreement and make up for each's mistakes. It's hard to be a follower of these two having bad terms with each after being a fan for such a long time
Yes. Have a cup of drink and talk in a civilized manner. It would be great to see them come to an agreement and play GTAguessr
It’s really sad because they could be a really funny tag team for videos or whatever. Also just sad because of how unnecessary it is. I hope they sort it out.
"Reactors are likely to commit sexual abuse" Thats called projecting, guys
This was only at the beginning of the video and it's already escalating too quickly
At this point I won't be surprised
OOOF
I'm getting deja vu from these comments wtf
Got to ask yourself - who is more likely to commit sexual assault - a man who watches content in front of an audience, or a man who trivialises sexual assault?
It's a mystery!
Charlie mentioning RWJ blowing up his channel is so wild bc that’s how I found him n that’s such an ancient memory now what a thing to remember lol
So he didn't read the document, felt attacked, and made a hasty video that makes no sense. (Damn I remember when people universely agreed react content was lazy and bad)
We do, but the people making bank off it still defend it.
@@JackReacheround and they pretend they aren't doing "lazy" react content because they pause it and laugh at the video ...
@@JackReacheround I don't mind Charly at all, he's a funny guy but what I hated most in this video was him saying "I add to the content, except when I like it, then I just watch it in silence on my stream". He literally just showed the issue right there wtf
"He seems to just pull facts out of his ass while is only source is 'trust me bro'" is such a funny statement considering that's exactly what you did in this video
And the fact that this video actually serves to prove his point about reaction content taking views and money away from the original creator - because loads of people are only watching this and not bothering to engage with DarkViper's side.
Charlie and Matt are both good content creators I follow and like, but, ngl, Charlie did some dirty here. I didn't saw this video (Charlie's) yesterday, I just knew about it after DarkViper's response and, gotta say, Charlie sure took a lot of things out of context and talked about it like it's something Matto explicitly said without any further context.
But, if you read the document, you'll see how most of the things Charlie used as an argument were comparisons and with a lot of context to add into, because this same things he said were in the last pages of that document..
And, for me, the worst of the things is Charlie talking about the document without even linking it for others to go there and read by themselves. He's not giving the proper context, nor providing the source... Charlie's video is just a personal attack to Matt..
Okay, first of all. DarkViper himself told that Charlie was a BAD PERSON, and he steals money from others
His comments
"MoistCritikal has more money than 99.99999% of people who have ever
lived and he uses his time to steal people's content to prevent other's
from entering this space. He is a bad person."
Then he calls out people who watch Xqc, Moist, as people who lack morals
"I know. Content aggregation is very profitable for those who lack morals."
Also rants about how's Charlie is ONLY for the money, and he WILL steal for the profit.
"Dude literally told his followers that short content makes no money,
among other innaccuries. I made a video correcting him. Ludwig made a
video correcting him. The video is still up, because he just doesn't
care. He is in it for the money, and whatever he can steal he will steal
for profit."
All the proof is here :
p-+a-+s-+t-+e-+b-i-+n.c-+o-+m/p-+R-+m-+z-+D-+C-+D-+f
remove the -+ symbol
"Charlie's video is just a personal attack to Matt.."
because the document isn't a personal attack to react streamers? why is this comment section full of matt apologists exactly? how do you defend comparing react streamers with rapists?
@@Skillerikx stop copy pasting this shi i saw this before somehwere
@@MrRubixscube Did you read the document yourself? Or are you just repeating the points that Charlie made in this video? If you are not gonna read the document, at least watch Matt's response so you can know the other side of the story.
@@MrRubixscube No one's defending comparing react streamers with rapists, it's just that Matt's point is much more than that and Charlie is representing it like Matt just said that all react channels are spawns of Satan or something when that line was supposed to be a kind of an analogy. Not a good one, but an analogy nevertheless.
Reaction videos are lazy as hell. They’re just using someone else’s content and they just put their own two cent in. Like that is lazy as hell! If someone is doing react videos, I would rather Watch the Original creator’s video and put my Own two cent in without having anyone else’s opinion be put in
damn Charlie, you didn't even bothered putting the document in description so people could fact check what you were mentioning, I really encourage people to watch Matt's response and really understand what he points and how wrongly Charlie did this video.
@Bolivian-Lament maybe not right each time, but definitely in this situation. Charlie took so much shit out of context that's it almost feels like an April fools video
@Bolivian-Lament pretty simple: he doesn't start drama himself. So the drama about him has to come from someone like charlie (someone who doesn't do any research and deliberately distorts everything)
Reminds me of that one HugeCharles video I saw. One of the comments asked to put the video being reacted to, in the description. They got dogpiled on, because the name of the video was on the screen the entire time ... and that makes it okay because it's more than what other reactors do???
Like ... that's not the point. Charlie is unintentionally making it harder for his viewers to follow channels he's reacting to, likely for the short one-line description shtick that stopped being funny 5 years ago.
@Julo Micha miner*
Checkamte
Jesus man this ain't it, everyone should read the document, Charlie has skipped over a lot of key points here.
Charlie is a great streamer and I love the guy, but damn this is a bad video
Nope
@@Leviathan56 I'm a big Charlie fan for sure but yeah this is a pretty stinky one
If I write a document about why I like dogs but I also write a whole part about why we need to kill Jews and why hitler was right, people are still right to shit on the document as a whole despite most of it just being about dogs lol. This guy still called streamers similar to rapists. That point alone makes the whole document stupid and worthy of shit
Im not reading 14 pages of somthing you could just explain in a paragaraph.
This sounds ridiculous after hearing Dark viper's pov
Nope sounds better
I don't think I've ever seen Charlie so pissed.
@BlindingHornet Kay.
well at least he knows that thinking like this is bs now
@@hippywill what do you mean?
@@bloodstainedalyss i think charlie realized he was wrong and hating on reaction channels for adding content to it and making more people listen to the music /become a new fan
@@hippywill he got offended by it without even being one of the bad reactors, and you can really see it in the video
This is probably the first time I disagree with you on most points you make. I'm sure you didn't do it deliberately, but I do believe you misunderstood the essence of what the script is supposed to state. Also, it would be the right thing to do, to link the document you are reacting to in the description.
Thank you.
If my man moist never reacted to slapping comps I'd never have flown to Poland to train and take on the Russian Olympic slap team. Thank you Charlie 😅
That is honestly so admirable
too many bots
good luck!
@Jennifer 6 how could you do this to butter
What is your technique and does it have a cool name? Like "whirlwind of rage" or "palm of judgement"?
I've been subbed to cr1tikal for 2 years and darkviper for a little less time and I have to be honest, even though I am a bigger fan of cr1tikal there isn't much of an argument on who's right here, cr1tikal took darkviper's views out of context, extremely exaggerated his comments and overall was in the wrong. I still love your content cr1tikal but I lost some respect for you today.
I feel the same way, but I don’t think any respect should be lost for either party. I think Charlie just acted out of emotion, made a mistake, and hopefully he will address it very soon and resolve things. He usually admits when he’s wrong, from what I’ve seen. I hope you have a wonderful day :)
I lost respect for DV a while ago. Maybe if he stayed out of bullshit and calmed down with the shit he says about people id watch him again.
I feel after the suicide note he was involved in he just has lost the plot
@@choppaufaceoff2400 i can respect that
@@tronikal5078 Thank you! I do completely see your point, I just hate coming to negative conclusions about people lol, though I certainly will once I’m sure it’s entirely deserved.
@@IDoABitOfTrollin The suicide note was entirely apollo's fault and the only other drama that can think of that happened recently was the muta drama in which case he deleted the videos and apologized
How Charlie got targeted as one of the bad actors for reaction content is a baffling. He’s one of the best examples of how to do reaction content correctly. There’s few people that do it as well as him.
yeah exactly, there’s probably so many other people that wouldve been way better examples. makes no sense to bring up charlie
How does he react better then other people?
Lol like all those creators he shouts out on twitter all the time and all those links to the videos such a good example.
Stan
I would agree with this if he actually linked to other videos and gave shoutouts. He is nowhere near as good at this type of contact as the likes of Blind Wave.
A perfect example of a good "react" content is Corridor Crew with their VFX Artists/Animators/Stuntmen React series. Each episode features an in-depth analysis of the content they're reacting to. They don't just sit there dead-eyed thanking people for donations.
After watching this video I had disagreed with all of Charlie's points and was about to call him out on his wrongdoings but seeing how this video has 0 dislikes it made me think and realize that maybe I was the problem. Thank you Charlie for opening my eyes.
I see what you did there. 100% agree.
Haha nice
Our goals shouldn't be to get them to fight, it should be to get both sides to realize how wrong each of them may have been . That's the only proper way to get them to squash this beef before it gets out of hand . I don't want to see this become a drama saga segment for documentaries channels to continually explore .
Yeah I wonder how many dislikes this actually has.
@@cmdrmeldoc59 10K at the moment of writing this comment. There's an extension that restores the dislike
I think Darkviper is in the right here.
Some of your critiques were reaching - especially when reading the document.
man it sucks seeing people i love watching say absolutely stupid stuff like that. darkviper took a massive L here and it’s incredibly disappointing
I assume you're a guy with that PFP
Nice Atago pfp
He always does
It’s not over yet, it’s merely the script for the video, the full impact will probably happen when the video releases.
How did he take an L? lol, he's completely right.
Funny thing is matt is probably gonna react to this video
@Mounted ♪ He has a tendency to get over-obsessive and stop thinking straight, but he apologized and took those videos down. He even played some gtaguessr with him and they were super chill
Nah, I don’t think he will, he will respond to it in a vid, but he won’t react to it
Ludwig already did
@@40-watt he did?
@@40-watt has he posted the vod?
Originally reading the comments I was admittedly disappointed to see people just “fanboying” this other guy…. But then I watched his vid. Usually penguin has soon good takes, but this is not one of them. Yes, he could have used a different analogy in that one paragraph, but by no means was it as big of a deal then moist made it out to be. As a fan of some reactors, I have to admit, viper makes some very good points that Charlie clearly failed to see when making this vid.
hello, i just wanna say that it is amazing that you did your own research, when matt (darkviperau) sort of went after nobody (nobody is a name of a guy that did something before matt as first) i defended him as one of the only people.
@@Zvion I think it was UnNamed and they put their differences aside, and DV actually used some of UnNamed's techniques to finally complete the challenge.
@@sneakysnake7695 Matt was SUPER pissed (unsurprisingly so) at Unnamed but since then he did mention him positively a lot and did use his strats (because how else are you going to finish the run lol)
@@The_Viktor_Reznov exactly
@@The_Viktor_Reznov Yeah. I feel like he head the right to be mad, but I forget if he said anything he shouldn’t have about UnNamed
Personally, I mainly watch Charlie’s reactions for his witty jokes and add ons to the video. I would never in a million years find those videos by scrolling and even if I did, I wouldn’t click. Charlie’s commentary is what makes me click.
But that doesn't mean anything you just watched Charlie not the actual video not will ever so what does your comment mean
@@layton6202 it means that Charlie isn’t stealing the view from the og content because the view never would’ve been given to the og content in the first place.
@@misaetmi he's not necessarily stealing but he is benefitting from something they original creator won't even tho it's their video..... But that's life tho
@@layton6202 It means that react content is worth giving a view of the reactor is in some way transforming the video. Charlie’s jokes and commentary make the video more enjoyable for some or maybe less terrifying or lonely for some.
I’m not a fan of streamers who literally just play the video for their stream while they leave to go eat or cook. But Charlie and a decent bit of streamers are not like that.
@@layton6202 ??
Deji reacted to my most viewed video about a year ago (which has since been removed by RUclips) and he pretty much made fun of me and my content and a lot of his viewers came and left hate comments on my video and I literally didn’t care. It was funny and I got some exposure. The video eventually hit over 1 million views 😂
Charlie has been wrong about someone's ideas/character. I explicitly remember a video he made about during the OTV Rust days about a Rust player that was egregiously misguided. It is very possible that's the case again.
When he lied about SerWinter because his best friend forever xQc was having a daily baby meltdown in Rust with Trainwrecks.
@@coltonwilkie241 For real i went back and watched both sides and trainwreck was acting so damn whiney over Winter playing the game how its mainly played and got him kicked only because he was a bigger creator but xqc is another story he whined over everything that didnt go his way on the server.
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I've ended up finding COUNTLESS channels, which I now love, precisely because they were highlighted in a RUclipsr's video or a stream. I always appreciate that Charlie shows the channel and video name while reacting, because I very often go look them up myself if I enjoyed them. I just subbed to Chad Chad yesterday because I was introduced to her from Charlie's latest video, and I thought her content was great. I never would have found her or countless others otherwise.
Exactly Charlie literally blew up that one dark story guy because he watched two of his videos and we all could see the quality the guy put in his work
Same I would have never found those channels without his react videos
Same. I also found Chad Chad and Eliminate because Charlie plugged their channels.
Agreed. I've found some of my favorite RUclips channels because of reactors. Sure there's bad apples out there, but they're not all bad.
Man DarkViper has been a favorite of mine for a long time, Weird he sees things this way when he seems like such a cool and reasonable guy 😕
He sounds like one of those ALL REDDITORS ARE EEEVIL THEY EAT BABIES-when a lot of it r/cutepuppers and wholesome shit.
yea its disappointing seeing this come out, i was really enjoying their content for the past year
edit: DVs analogys we’re absolutely shit and should not have been used in the way they were but he makes some decent points. however, the SA analogys are absolutely unnecessary and disrespectful to the victims of SA. i am still disappointed with DV
@@craigusselman546 He is quite literally the epitome of a redditor.
@@craigusselman546 have you even watched him?
*roblox islands themes intensifies*
Why did you take everything out of context like the rape thing that was way out of context because darkviperAU made a 14 page essay on why he dislikes people that react to videos.
14 PAGES
@@sevuri1233 yes
It’s incredible just how objectively bad this video was, and it’s genuinely nice seeing so many of his fans call him out on it. Most communities blindly defend the creator in situations like these but this is a refreshing sight to see
Kinda like how you're blindly following a different creator here? Face it, Matt's ranting points were out of line.
@@sionn1 they didn't say Matt's take was good they just said Charlie's take was bad
@@sionn1 I recommend to read that document by Matt. Darkviper's points are completely correct, it's just that you are judging by hearing one side of the argument.
@@sionn1 exactly what the other guys said read into both sides not just one darkviper is right on this
@@rudraacharya8247 you should know that whenever a youtuber has more then 5 million subs most of the subs are stupid kids that belive anything the creator says and Charlie most likely knows this because he knows he can say whatever shit about small RUclipsrs to make him feel good and his brain dead fans will attack the creator like puppets
Another great example is Tuv, I got to know his amazing content thanks to Charlie, and it was so surprising to see Tuv thanking for 60k and then looking at his subcount at 500k. Charlie's reaction absolutely helped Tuv's channel to get to the spotlight and grow by himself. I really enjoy DarkViper's content, but this document was just incredibly wrong.
I started watching tuv because of charlie. I might not have watched the video I saw Charlie reacting to because I had already seen it, but I've watched several of his videos and I think that makes up for it. Even if react videos take views away sometimes if the view liked the content they're obviously going to seek out the content creator.
I started w his edp vid lmao
But the overall idea that Viper was trying to portray makes a lot of sense, and is written in the document which Charlie didn’t even link, Vipers new video explains that Charlie’s video is taken extremely out of context.
@Cryptix many of the channels admit how much Charlie has helped. Tuv has. This vid is completely wrong but if there is anything he was right about, it’s how he has helped smaller channels.
Since you yourself are a react streamer, would you be open to posting links to all your sources? Like in this video, post the link to the document and to Dark’s channel. That would be good internet integrity.
I wouldnt call it good internet integrity, I would call it the bear minimum...
he should definitely do this from now on, I've always been a bit saddened to see him never post the link to the video he's reacting to in his descriptions
Charlie's the worst react streamer at that. 99% of the time i click on one of his videos, it's just so i can get the title of the video he's reacting to so i can watch it myself, instead of watch tiny 5 second clips of it while Charlie talks about random shit
I think this is a good point.
@@mattc9598 you mean him cutting it up and adding commentary instead of just silently watching the video? Like yk the actual shit reaction channels
I never seen Slap Fight until I seen your 5 year old reaction video one day. After seeing it, I went and subscribed to their channel because I wanted to watch more.
This is honestly poor on Charlie's part. He didn't even link the document and expects you to just take his word for it. Childish really
you don't know how to use twitter?
You can search it up you know? It's not exactly some underground confidential document.
@@stellar1252 yeah but to take it completely out of context and then not have the decency to support your argument by linking the document? No one is going out of their way to find that trust me
Wasn’t this a common consensus a couple years ago that react channels were lazy? We’ve already gone through this.
You know the internet, by today's standards this whole drama will be obsolete in 3 days. Absolutely 0 changes will come out of this. It's just how it is when you make a video instead of discussing the matter privately to reach a common consensus.
But charlie totally doesn't do lazy react content for clicks, his approach is TOTALLY different! **grey sarcasm guy**
It's basically the norm now for almost every twitch streamer so I'm not surprised.
Hopefully people will not just blindly attack Matto, because he doesn't deserve that at all.
Nah, Almost everyone (at least how I see it) is disagreeing with charlie, or at least saying that he took everything out of context, let's hope he realises he did a fck up
@@titipezehealing4348 only viper's viewers who raided this video and agree with his comparison of reaction videos to rape disagree. All the raiders appeared in the last 90 minutes or so.
@@titipezehealing4348 Listen man, I would have taken Charlie's word for granted without botherin to look up source material if it weren't for the fact that Darkviperau uploaded his side right after I finished watching Charlie's. Would have gone along with that sheep mentality bullshit.
Made me take a long hard look at myself
@@purplewine7362 lol "raiders" is that what you call it when Charlie lies and then someone corrects him? What about ppl who watched this video first and then darkvipers?
@@purplewine7362 Yeah I came from Matt's channel to point out just how fucking stupid this take was. Its not a raid.
Personally, this has been a complex issue I have been wrestling with for several months now. On one hand, as a viewer, I can't deny that I enjoy the content and I have seen several instances where people love/use the exposure and views off of react content to springboard their channel and to get your content in front of so many eyes is without a doubt an invaluable asset.
However, there is something pretty fundamentally true about the fact that react content, although fun and enjoyable, is downright lazy and unfortunately has become a standard for so many of these RUclips and Twitch streamers and content creators. At the end of the day, I like Charlie's reactions, but I very rarely feel he does enough to really call it a creative and transformative amount but tbh, I'm not upset about it, the content is perfectly enjoyable and I don't want it to change but it's pretty fair to say it leechs off the original content although I feel that term may be harsh.
Additionally, when looking up some stuff on twitter, it is fair that none of Charlie's react videos actually credit the original videos, maybe if you're hanging in twitch chat and he's sitting on the channel's page for a while it's easy to pick it up for yourself but he's really not even doing the courtesy of giving links in his RUclips videos.
Maybe this is an oversimplistic solution, but would it not be possible to have the original creator of said content be paid a percent of the money made off the video? I don't know what the cut delineation would be precisely but would that not feel fair especially when so many of these content creators are making so much money that it's not like there isn't enough to go between the two parties.
I can’t believe we are still having this discussion
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Imagine leaving out 90% of what is being said just to drive your mostly invalid arguments through with the out-of-context parts.
Lmao he couldn't even be bothered to link the document, cuz we'll know for sure he was cherry picking. 😂
Darkviper fails to realize people like Cody Ko, Danny Gonzalez, Drew Golden and so forth actually put their own spin to the content that they react to. It’s not just done lazily. They actually come up with a set-up, story and they execute it perfectly. They do a lot more work than most react channels that just watch content and that’s it.
yeah but they most often talk about weird films or larger channels where they usually heavily criticise them and making new content around it instead of just watching a smaller channels content and profiting off of it
Those are different than reaction channels tho. Those are commentary channels
He said there are differences between actual reactions that add something and hasan leaving his room while a video plays like it happened with his video.
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Does he actually call out these people? That would be an absurd thing to say a Drew Gooden video isn't transformative.
I was under the impression that it was streamers who were being called out: like Hasan, XQC, and Pokimane, who watch RUclips videos or TV shows and just kinda sit in the corner.
Funnily enough, I discovered Charlie when Pewdiepie reacted to the Dark Web video three years ago and stuck around ever since
Could've let DarkViper discuss his own document first...
Why did he post it instead of making the video? Was he seeking a reaction or is this standard practice to leak scripts?
@@K.RUclips2 he was working on something else and didn't want to put more time into it than he already did
@@shinysky8119 But then he made a response video no? So he had time. He leaked it and name dropped to orchestrate beef and garner views and engagement because now everyone is all "you have to see his video, two sides" yada yada. So I don't buy the victim angle people are selling.
He made a response video as quick as he could to extinguish the fire that could potentially kill his career because of a simple misconception by one guy reading a document.
You'd probably do the same thing if you're in that situation.
@@K.RUclips2 dark viper was getting attacked for saying something he never said. He needed to make a response.
Usually like charlies takes on things but my god hes cherry picking here.
Edit to add: I’ve been thinking whilst i had my lunch that charlie has purposefully left out parts of darkvipers argument to make his view. Is that how he see’s us? His fans? Purposefully leaving out information so we just get his point of view? He knows that some of his fans will take his words as gospel and not do research outside of his video and uses that to his gain to shoot down darkviper. Really disappointed.
It’s actually crazy seeing that darkviper wrote this, I regularly watch his rants and his streams and for the most part seems like a logical kind of guy, I know recently he’s been super stressed out but like daaaamn
Edit: after watching darkviper and critical’s two videos on the subject my opinion is that while darkviper is mostly in the right right now critikal did admit to being wrong but still also had some fair points of criticism to dish out. I believe that they should just discuss it and talk it out peacefully for the better ment of both communities since everyone likes to go ape shit against them
I watched him quite a bit as well. Maybe the GTA speedruns made him go manic.
Edit: Still don't think anyone here is really in the right or wrong. Hope they can work it out, shake hands, and be cool again.
I think I may be done following him. Found him a little over a year ago and love his rants and content. Sad to see him stoop that low
@@aarfran I’m rationalizing that darkviper has a lot on his plate and just went overboard venting. I know he can be a great guy and live his community but his anger consumes him, whether you decide to stop following him or not I personally won’t because I know he can do better
He should have hust focused on pacifist
no dude him yelling at mutahar for jack shit disproved all of that
The answer is yes, they are. And we don't need a reaction video to explain why.
Yes we do. 🥱
huh this isnt a reaction video??
Jay Exci: Spends a month compiling a really good takedown of a very specific type of lazy react content, explaining in great detail why it's morally objectionable on almost every level, to the point people feel the need to strawman her in order to counter her position effectively.
DarkViper: Immediately afterwards posts the script for an upcoming video that is exactly the same in premise but needlessly inflammatory and less cohesive on almost every level
Yeah I feel bad for my boy Jay. At least EFAP is always by his side
yeah, there's about the comment i was gonna make. exactly this, jay talked about very specific types of reaction content and she doesn't otherwise go after anyone producing react content except for the most notable and overall disliked sorts. and she even gets second opinions from other youtubers and some disagree with her main point. her video is very thoughtful and lighthearted and this is just goofy.
@@randomnerd3402 Yeah EFAP is top tier shit. Really says how to do good, transformative react content right there in the name: Every Frame A Pause.
@@pharoahcaraboo9610 I also appreciate that Jay mentioned in the video that she is herself makes react content both in video and stream form, and that she likes the majority of it. She doesn't just pull this weird "react channels are bad people" shit because it's just not true.
@@tgoas3503 Rags and Fringe arguing about an alligator comparison is really something else
I'd recommend people either don't engage with this drama at all (therefore not forming an opinion of darkviper), or they go and watch darkviper's video immediately afterwards. If you just watch this video, and engage with this situation enough to form a negative opinion on darkviper, but don't watch darkviper's response, you're doing him an immense disservice. This is because a lot of what Charlie responds to isn't what darkviper was actually saying, or was missing key context. If you read the document and watch darkviper's vid, it's clear that the unlikable, unreasonable version of darkviper that Charlie presents in this video isn't real.
Thank you, here is DarkViperAU's response video:
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It would surprise me if Charlie would "lose" the drama since he has way more subs
I don't think darkviper's video makes him out to be that much more likeable and reasonable. He still makes a lot of bad hyperbolic analogies, dismisses a lot of the benefits of reaction content, and makes arguments which he has no actual evidence for. He also misrepresented Ludwig's video, saying that it disproved Cr1tikal's video on short content, when it didn't. A lot of the arguments Cr1tikal made in favor of react content are also still valid. It's annoying how stupid and passionate this debate has gotten, but then again that's usually how these discussions on react content have gone in the past so I guess it's not that surprising.
@@Arctrooper2091 What is a benefit to react content? Also what claims did DViper make that need evidence to back them up? Everything he argued in the doc and video was 100% based in logic.
@@britts9988 For an example of a benefit, look at Ordinary Sausage. Before Cr1tikal reacted to him he was getting views below 10k. After, he got a massive jump in subscribers and is now gets 100k a video. Reaction channels do lead to views, especially for smaller channels. DarkViper downplays this, saying that they would have found the video through the algorithm or that other creators would have been found if viewers had been watching things other than react content. While you are right that this is “based in logic”, it is not based in evidence. Also, while it is logical that content would have been found through the algorithm or other means, it’s also logical that it wouldn’t. For example, I do not watch food channels, so the algorithm likely would not have fed me (pun intended) Ordinary Sausage’s channel. I also might not have found a different channel to watch, as I rarely find new channels to subscribe to on my own. I might have found different videos to watch, but I also might have done something else besides watch RUclips. I also might have watched just a couple videos from a channel instead of subscribing and being a consistent viewer of Ordinary Sausage. There frankly not a lot of evidence to say if and how much reaction content is taking from other RUclipsrs.
Dark Viper definitely takes the win here.
How? Just based off watching this video and not knowing either off this creators darkviper seems a bit dense by providing no evidence for his claims
@@alexendo2955 go and watch DarkViper's video. Penguinz0 took a big L here. He totally misinterpreted the document that Dark Viper wrote. And moreover critical thinking is enough to realise what DarkViper said is actually true. You don't need to present factual data for it.
@@brothergunns5055 okay thanks but i feel like darkviper should have explained that better in the document, i also think that critical was upset because he was compared to a rapist lol
@@alexendo2955 it was a script for a video. Not meant to be explained. He would have addressed all issues in his video.
DarkViper compared the tendencies of reactors with rapists. And it's true to some extent. Both doesn't take consent, and both are bound to repeat the offense.
@@alexendo2955 Critical did stop making reaction content tho and both of them are good friends now.
Love both channels, but i think Charlie was too focused on dropping witty analogies rather than addressing the actual arguments in Dark’s essay.
That being said react content can be great if something new is added to it as Charlie has said before, not sure why both of them are taking it so personally
analysis content is what you mean, react content is different and is never cool.
Essentially react
"That being said react content can be great if something new is added to it as Charlie has said" That's DV's point. Both Charlie and you missed it.
I would be annoyed and mad too if I'm being misrepresented and borderline defamed.
Let's make some distinctions to this. "React" means watch something for the first time, without preparation. You may be able to add something witty to it, but if you think about it, does that offset the hours and hours the other person has spent on the video? If we simply go off of labour here, I think it doesn't matter how clever your comments are.
Commentary videos and analyses are completely different. In those, the analyst watches the video in advance, and then scripts essentially a video essay in which he or she explains exactly what the problems in the original video were. Criticism.
This criticism can of course be then packaged in witty remarks, metaphors, and just an all-around fun video. I'm not saying analyses need to be serious. Kind of like the content Charlie used to make, where he would comment on other videos and shows in a fun way, where most of it was him talking over clips of the content in question, and the whole thing being edited.
Just watching something on stream, however, is completely different, no matter how funny or witty the reactions are. This is serious, because it is financially hurting thousands of other people.
I hope this clears up your questions! Cheers
Who’s here after they collabed😂
I had no idea what defuntland, Ordinary Sausage, and even Chikara Wrestling was until you covered in Charlie. You actually opened my eyes to so many new avenues to content and interests because you looked at them both in videos and on-stream. Viper's absolutely insane if he thinks react youtubers are leeches like he's trying to spin that they are
Same I started watching AtrocityGuide, Defunctland and SunnyV2 only thanks to Charlie. And I learned I liked documentary style vids thanks to him, which I never got recommended before because of the things I already watched (mainly gamers and sketch channels) so the algorithm never recommended those things to me even tho its great content
@@kidmosey It depends, if the person with 30k subs is transforming their content and either adding humor or criticism or something to a good percentage of the vid then imo it still doesn't seem like they're leeching off H3H3, but ofcourse there are those who do leech but the point is that its definitely not an absolute like "Every single react streamer is evil/bad"
@@kidmosey It depends, if the person with 30k subs is transforming their content and either adding humor or criticism or something to a good percentage of the vid then imo it still doesn't seem like they're leeching off H3H3, but ofcourse there are those who do leech but the point is that its definitely not an absolute like "Every single react streamer is evil/bad"
For every one reaction streamer/RUclipsr like Charlie there’s twenty that just sit there with a look of mild excitement every now and then saying “wow” or “what?!”. I’ve never liked the argument of “they’re giving exposure by watching”, they are, but unless they have their own commentary going along with it or only upload small sections of the whole video, the viewer has no reason to go and seek out the original content creator.
I think it was about a year or so ago, but there was drama on twitch surrounding reaction content and there were clips showing Pokimane and Hassan getting up and walking off stream for like ten minutes whilst someone else’s content was being played on stream. What does that add to the original video?
I found the Food Dip extended universe through Charlie, I am forever grateful for that