Kung Fu of the Chinese Muslims: Xinyi Liuhe Quan - Exploring Xingyi Quan ep10
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- Опубликовано: 5 ноя 2019
- In the final episode of our Xingyi Quan series, we travel to the ancient capital of China, Luoyang in Henan province, to learn about the rare style of Xinyi Liuhe Quan from Master Ma Zhi Ping. This style has been practiced within the Chinese Muslim community for hundreds of years, and is said to have preserved the earliest methods of Xinyi. There are two main branches of Xinyi Liuhe, one in the city of Zhoukou which you can also find in Shanghai, and the Luoyang style which is incredibly rare. In this episode, we meet Ma Zhi Ping in the local Mosque to learn about the Luoyang style of Xinyi Liuhe.
In this series, I team up with Paul Andrews of Xingyi Academy and Jon Nicklin to travel to Tianjin, Shanxi and Henan to explore the various styles of the art of Xingyi Quan. We will cover the Hebei Style of Li Cun Yi, Song and Che Family Xingyi in Taigu, Dai Style Xinyi in Qi County and Muslim Xinyi Liuhe in Henan Province.
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Joined your mailing list. Great insight. Away from the big cities few see real life in the middle kingdom. Especially living in a tiny city next to changchun. I taught English part of the time .worked on a nearby farm growing corn and slaughtering animals in winter. Dysentery sent me home a while back. I miss the songhua and piercing dongbeikoyin.NB! SALAAM...
Sounds like you had a pretty awesome experience! And yes, few see life beyond the big cities or tourist hotspots. Rural Chinese are some of the most generous and kind people I've ever met.
@@MonkeyStealsPeach I have seen only a few things .I left for jilin after visiting a few times,and working briefly in Beijing. My shaolin teacher was huizu from qingdao.That was in 99. He didn't speak English . I decided I'd better learn Chinese. The venture partially began.Moving to rural jilin at 37 with two kids wasn't easy.Only one African brother in liaoyuan. I wrote a few English courses including American food . The stagnant jia You books are less than inspiring. I wish you well brother. Thank you for answering in the comments. I'll support any way I can.
You should write a blog or something, sounds like you have some epic stories to share!
@@MonkeyStealsPeach you flatter me brother. It is a dream. I started a book. About experiences in Dongbei. Watching your hard work and dedication I'm inspired. Have you ever seen the wild chickens as they call them in Dongbei? Really looks like a pheasant. I saw them in trees in winter. Everyday was a chapter in the countryside. The truth.... We become part of China. Sir Reginald Fleming Johnston spoke of this.Deep Respect!
ever since i read the manga kenji i've wanted to see this martial art in action. THANK YOU
I see you too are a man of culture.
可见这位少侠也是一名有品味的君子。
@Ken Jay its so slept on! definitely top 5 comics for me.
Thats awesome thats exactly where I'm coming from!!! This is all awesome but too bad kung fu in its current state has no place in real fighting. Kenji is good but I think Holyland is the better fighting manga
@@jairmendez6583 I see where you are coming from and I do agree that the current state of a lot of traditional martial arts is overshadowed by the "practical" training methods that are meta today. I do believe these martial arts have a lot to offer and people just need to think about it more. I'm speaking from experience because I trained in a lot of martial arts schools and after learning Taichi from a good school I think there is hope for kung fu.
Yes! My goodness that name "Kenji" brings back memories
I absolutely love watching these Muslim/hui style kung fu, soo badass to watch, wish I learn Xinyi Liuhe but so far I learnt Bajiquan with a little bit of Pigua.
As a long time Bajimen, I have also read the legendary comic book, Kenji. Of course, This is where I first learned about Xinyiliuhe, Rare or nonexistent in the States. As expected truly unique and devastating. I’m sure the uninitiated would dismiss the movements, There’s very little beauty about bashing someone’s brain in 3 simultaneous strikes, Key one a head butt.
Wow! Great vid 😃 The master is a very high standard and his students are an absolute credit to him. Thanks so much for posting this up! 👍👍👍
8:14 We have that exact same move in Choy Li Fut, we call it Kam Kem. You can do it with the other leg too, and make it into a leg hock.
You do CLF? Nice! Who's you Sifu?
There's a reason why Kenji thought this art may have been near the pinnacle of Kung Fu.
Very interesting. The applications are just like what we do in Cheng Ting Hung lineage of Practial Wudang Tai Chi Chuan. Pat the horse, draping the body and needle at sea bottom etc. also their forms remind me of Pentak Silat from Malaysia which are really similar. Fascinating style
Silat is a result of mix martial arts from Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam. You can easily guess where does those 3 comes from. India, China, and middle east. So if you're saying it's similar. It comes from the same root
Similar like silat buah pukul mersing..and no one know where silat comes from..there are no proof to claim which it comes..even the malaysian dont know the origin of silat and who makes it..
actually the first Silat founded was Silek Tuo Minangkabau in 10th Century in the land of Kingdom of Pagaruyung Minangkabau,
but I cannot say that all styles of Silat took Silek Tuo as the root because in Malay Archipelago all martial arts were called Silek or Silat in old days since that time Silat/Silek was the only word to mention about martial art
before Silek Tuo Founded, there was no specific word for martial art
today new word created, in Indonesian Language the term for Martial art is Beladiri, just remember that it's a new word
In the past all martial arts were called Silek/Silat which is similar in China even till now where all martial arts are called Wushu
P.S.
I never say Silat came from Indonesia or Malaysia, because it actually came from the land of Malay Archipelago or what we called Nusantara, and the first Silat even belong to Minangkabau people which now live in West Sumatra (Indonesia) and Negeri 9 (Malaysia)
now many Malaysians and Indonesians are fighting to claim who has Silat, it's just moron
even Minangkabau people admit that Tiger Style of Silat came from Kingdom of Champa (Located in Cambodia), Cat Style of Silat came from Kingdom of Siam (Located in Thailand), and Dog Style of Silat came from Kingdom of Persia (Located in Iran) , so even We as Minangkabau never over proud of Silat that actually created for the first time in our land, we respect all the kingdoms where we got the techniques from
He really only showed that one attack, shearing the opponents body in half and disrupting the root. It would be interesting to see other fists.
Man these are all amazing thank you so much for sharing this amazing quest of yours🙏🏼
I love the wall murals of the guys practicing xinyiliuhequan.
OSU! Fluid movement and powerful stances! Thank you for sharing this.
I learnt Xin Yi Liu He in Shanghai. So interesting to see the similarities and differences here. Thank you.
The big difference is in Luoyang they have loads and loads of short forms. It seems much more eclectic than Shanghai XYLH... who was your teacher btw? Im looking to interview someone here to round off the series
Great job Guys! a student introduced me to your series. I love it! Thanks for your hard work!
Thanks a lot Chris! I grew up watching your show, so I guess I could say this series was inspired by you!
Great job guys luv this,so good to see xing yi dedication,its up to us to keep these arts alive.😍😍
Amazing ! Thank you for sharing 👍😁
White bearded old man is A Daoist monk. Daoist monk used to help and taught someone with good character and good talent without told his name to the student. And when the student is ready and capable, Daoist monk will leave him. Still not tell his name to the student.
Very Impressive! Thanks for this.
Great video!
What a wonderful series! I have thoroughly enjoyed the xingyiquan episodes I’ve seen thus far. Haven’t completed the series just yet, but I’m on my way. I’ll definitely be visiting Patreon to show my support. As someone who has been involved in martial arts for 40+ years, I’m so appreciative of gongfu enthusiasts like you who are taking advantage of the opportunity of living in China with the willingness to share your experiences with those of us who aren’t as fortunate.
Thanks very much, and glad you enjoy it. I think you will enjoy the Shaolin series too, and see some crossovers with Xinyi Liuhe.
If you do join my Patreon, I'm already uploading my Fujian series to there too!
Amazing how skilled these boys are !
This is good content. Much like meeting Hsing I chuan with the Same lineage as mine in Hebei and jilin. May we cross in Dongbei. Respect
man this is still my fav episode. would love to see more of these guys. seems almost completely different from the XYLH I learned and see around youtube. very..."snappy" should I say?
The explosive movement?
Another interesting post. I spent a bit of time in Xian. Many forms resemble Baji.
Mashallah that’s why I am proud to be a Muslim
We have our own martial arts
Love it!
mashAllah nice 💪🥰
Very interesting video! I like the way you communicate with various masters of the Chinese fist! There is also the Tongbeiquan style of the Ma family in the Muslim fist. This is a combined direction consisting of the schools of Pigua, Baji, Fanzi and Chuojiao. It would be very interesting and informative if you talked about the Tongbei quan of the Ma family on your RUclips web page.
I’d like to visit some members of the Ma family at some point, for sure
Very good brother
it is interesting that many martial artist of various spiritual bacground share and teah to other masters...the white bearded man might be a daoist, the founder of xingyi luehebafa..also trains in shaolin..what a harmony
Wish that you could show the basic training of this style. Great video anyway.
Kekaisar terbesar pertama di China dan indonesia keluarga dan saudara berkat pengetahuan dan kebaikan sunan gunung jati cirebon.. subhanallah..
Great Style
mash allah
i love china muslim
im from india
Sehr gut und gute Bewegung, 👍👍👍
Eu prático este estilo
That’s good keep training that !!
Great stuff, alot of people dont under stand that Muslims traveled across Asia and Europe about thousand years ago and developed its own unique systems.
The Hui people of China are the descendants of Arab, Persian and Central Asian traders who settled down and married , adopting Chinese culture but keeping Islam.
I used to study Islamic Long Fist Kung Fu with a grandmaster in it. Still do shadow fighting/ shadow boxing. I didn't know the more you learn the more medical knowledge you get. From a white belt to a black belt you learn how to brake someone down, likewise from a black belt higher you learn how to build them back up.
Where you are learn it?
Maaan i'm envy you, the healing aspect of muslim kungfu help me alot
I've got highway accident in 2012, and in the 2014 i'm always in constant pain whenever i'm sleep, or on sit position, modern treatment didn't makes any progress in my recovery, the one who help me is old muslim master kungfu, for 2017-2020 i've go to his place to gets therapy, he re align my body, setting out every joint, healing me step by step so when im full recovery it didnt have any after effect
Sorry for my bad english, i hope you understand what i mean
@@yogi8337
Where I learned some of my Kung Fu is at the local moquse I attained. One of the brothers he is a grandmaster of it he told everyone who would like to learn it to come by.
@@brianjett1446 it's in china?
@@yogi8337 great story. BTW where do you practice long fist kungfu?
Whats the thing about stomping on the ground? Is it just part if the form for training with no practical use.
LOVE XINGYI
Guys you are doing an extraordinary job right there! I’ve read about a style which is called something like “lo ho quen by” (I definitely butchered it) or like “the style of lost highway”. I read it in a Russian book so I am not sure about translation. They said it has exceptional jumps and acrobatics. Have you ever heard of it? I made some researches, but never found out
Thanks very much! I dont know that style, sorry
It should be called Liu He Quan（六合拳）Liu He is concept of the express the strength in KungFu , you also can search Liu He spear
jiatao cui thanks so much! I’ll do my research
When he also learned in Shaolin maybe e was teached in Xin Yi Ba.
There certainly are similarities. The way this master moves and gestures reminds me a lot of Shi Dejian.
very powerful .kung fu
Certainly is an interesting martial art.
In "Iron and Silk," Mark Salzman writes that xingyi and baguazhang are often taught together. Is this true? He was living in Guangzhou when he was learning wushu and gong fu. I wonder if he was merely lucky enough to learn from a shifu who was skilled in both.
Sometimes taught together, yes. Not always though
Would enjoy seeing this compared to Shaolin Xinyi Ba, Chen Tai Chi Quan. Also.. To see Bak Mei exchange hands. With all do respect of course.
I have done a Shaolin Xinyiba episode. I would like to cover it in more detail though.
Shaolin, Chen Taiji, Xinyi and Tongbei do all seem to have a common root.
Bak Mei I don't know anything about Im afraid.
Most excellent! What about Baiji Quan?
The technincs he shown were taught by carl cestari as well!. Strange!.
Not strange at all. We all have two legs and to arms with the same limitations in movement. He uploded recently a video on dog boxing a ground style Kung Fu some moves you find in break dancing.
How and where to learn it ?
What is the difference berween xingyiquan and xingyi liuhequan? Thx before.
Watch my Origins of Xingyi documentary, it explains in detail
Well, I am living in Zhengzhou
hello? I'm here for the fa li.
Simple qustion. How can be muslim internal style, if Koran forbids to deal with internal energy ? Xing yi can not be muslim. Xini liuhe quan is absolutly different style paying attention only for fighting, not for internal energy.
Thank you for video interesting, master shows some interesting yunfa but children spoiled good video ofcourse children are good but if master show some more technik it will be much better.
it's just how it goes in China sometimes. The Teacher won't perform much themselves. He made us sit through a lot of kids doing forms, I only included a couple.
I disagree, I don’t think the children spoiled the video. It displayed the teacher’s ability to teach as well as basic movements of the style, furthermore it gives hope that the new generation will continue to pass down the style.
I get what you mean, but I think his point was he wanted to see more of the teacher himself.
Ahh understood.
Lushan Xinyi Liuhe is different to this Luoyang style. I'm going to try to cover some of that style here in Shanghai
assalamualauikum....hallo....i am herman sudianto a amuslim from indonesia
So this is the style Gen Fu from DOA uses....🤔🤔🤔
How awesome finally a fight school with the good old islam
Karate demonstrations lots of power, although the combination of techniques look impressive I can sense lack of power in their actions.
Maybe, but if you look at history of lei tai fighting, these styles (Xingyi and Xinyi) produced fighters and killers. Shang Xueli killed Shaolin fighter Zhang Qilin using a knee strike with " back power", Lu Songgao killed people(Xinyi Liuhe) Xin Jian Hou (Xingyi) won the 1931 lei tai tournament. Dai Family (Dai Family Xinyi) dominated the caravan escourt business because of their techniques and power generation. Sometimes power doesn't have to be "Karete" or "Boxing" type.
Wang zi ping
It feels like you ran out of steam with this series. In the beginning there were subtitles with translations for most of the conversation, but the last few episodes have been fairly incomprehensible to the majority of us who are not fluent in Chinese. I'm kind of bummed by that, as it is very interesting material. :(
There is subtitles on this episode when he is introducing the style. I didn't do it when he is demoing coz he's not saying anything besides "i can do this" "I can grab here" etc.
Anyway, thanks for the feedback though, and I will pay attention to it for my future videos.
I do find your mandarin a little bit easier to comprehend than that master's mandarin
Ok but Bajiquan? Why you never speak about this style? If you don't know there Is a great Baji School in Mengcun Village,in cangzhou province.
There are a lot of styles I am interested in, but I can only get through them one at a time.
Soooooo we are the world'?
Soon it will be understood.There are no opportunities, just the other side.
Or do you not have 2 lungs?
If you have 3 and gills I might under stand your superior complex.
Nothing says harmony like forced wall graphity
You are uninformed
The Master is so incredibly stiff.
english sub
this is not xing xi quan, its xinyi liu he quan
exactly
Obviously the video is about "Luoyang Xinyi"
@@giuseppienad3413 不知道你懂不懂 反正这是六合心意拳 不是形意 。 do u understand
@@thomasda3482 😄😄😄 whatever. You are concerned about semantics
@@giuseppienad3413 but it is different lineage of family styles and background and history ... of course myabe u just don't care ..哈哈
Every Kung fu method that uses entanglement besides very intense wrestling does not take into consideration the opponents footwork or the flashing speed of people’s arms they always insist their partners stick there arms out. I definitely think modern masters should all have to deal with western boxers an adapt there arts. There’s a whole channel dedicated to an aikido black belt who ended up leaving the art due to finding out just how difficult it is to connect to someone’s wrist or elbows in a fight. It is getting boring to see self satisfied teacher showing grappling techniques the really on the wrist grip which is nearly impossible to attain when someone wants to harm you.
You can't apply his case to every kung fu, yeah many kungfu suck because many masters can't really be called master. Most authentic kungfu masters are either dead or way too old now, but some still exist
I have practiced in a kungfu school that allows its student to spar with real power and full resistance especially if you've trained for more than 1 year, and a few cases of sparring between teachers lead to hospital treatment
And just to let you know that aikido is utter useless because aikido's idea is to use moves that will protect the enemy from getting hurt and in aikido they're not taught to spar will full resistance.
@@onimekyo7633 can you share the place's name and the country?
@@matali5940 indonesia
We have bailong naga putih kungfu school here, the master currently lives around Depok, Jawa barat
My teacher lives in lembang bandung
This school has 5 or 7 branches around java, Indonesia
Sadly due to covid, this school hasn't trained for a while
And also there is the infamous silat cimande, in Jawa Barat, my teacher did trained there for several years
I have a video tutorial from silat cimande that even teaches you how to move on the floor, dragging yourself on the floor and even using karambit. The weird thing is the instructor in that video is a westerner who have trained in silat cimande for a while
If you're referring to "Martial Arts Journey" that dude just practices martial arts for a few weeks so he can make a "Why I quit..." video. Of course Aikido useful in a "fight" it's meditation with self defense lessons but it is still an incredibly valuable art.
I think it gets boring seeing people thinking every "self defense" thing is supposed to be used for MMA or fighting competition.
... Only reason I replied to this is because the there's someone else who replied after a few months. I typically don't reply to long dormant posts.
Can you still learn from them, or has China rounded them all up into camps? I have great respect for many aspects of Chinese culture, but they've been going drastically wrong in so many ways ever since mao.
I think hui people may have less problem. Since they are chinese also. If there is, then maybe a little degree of islamophobia which is happening around the world too. The one most pressured maybe the uyghur, since they're not ethnically "chinese".
ghengis Khan
Stop pandering to the enemy.
Xing Yi is NOT Muslim. It is one of the three principle internal styles, native to China.
It is Xinyi Liuhe Quan. WAAAY older than Xingyi
Yue fei General at song dinasty who discover this gong fu. 1122-1142.
@@kesumacandra7325 Nope, no REAL historical evidence
@@kesumacandra7325 all xinyi and xingyi practitioners (I myself included) recognized Ji Longfeng as the founder of Xinyi Liuhe.
Xinyiliuhequan is practiced predominately by the Hui, which are are an ethnic minority, which are Muslims.
There is no such thing as muslim xinyi or xingyi or any other gongfu. You practice Gongfu or you don't!
yeah, its han chinese kungfu, muslim hui do it too
It is called "Muslim Xinyi" because this style is practiced orginally by Muslim people. Ma Xueli was the Muslim to spread Xinyi to the Hui minority
Please do some proper research before you make this comment.