I can directly address the situations that happened on stage 1. The timer's review function was not working properly. The last 3 shots prior to the final shot were not being stored. We looked at Jeremy's video and his videographer cut the video off before you could hear me state the time, and before he could view the timer. The timer was bumped from his shotgun when I was trying to assist him in the clearing and making the range safe. We watched the video to try and establish a time, but because we could not verify, he was awarded a reshoot. I ran a substitute timer back to back with the stage timer to verify accuracy for 4 more shooters. It worked as it should...just would not show the previous shots just prior to the last shot. The coaching came from another competitor that yelled "left" when Jeremy asked a question of himself. She immediately realized her mistake. Technically, coaching isn't even mentioned in the rule book, but as a general rule, I only know of 1 major multigun match were coaching is accepted and that's the Vortex match in Texas. For some reason, there were a number of people that chose that match as their first match. Some didn't even have their own equipment. I'd strongly recommend that new shooters attend a local match before attending something that has a prize table. There were a few concerns on stage 1 around the 180 and I tried to make every squad aware of that during the walk through. After the buzzer, sometimes the brain scrambles. I think they added the Ladies division late to help separate the prize table. It was less division based, although open would normally have a benefit. They are working on following something similar to what Aaron Hayes has started for the Magpul match and it will be a % based approach for whatever the lady chooses to shoot. Based on my experience, it was the best prize table by far for the amount of shooters that I have seen in a long time. They'll be back next year and it will be even better.
@@shooterray8160 Hey, Ray! I thought you did a really good job of ROing stage 1. The timer thing is an equipment issue, not anything wrong that you did. I do think that a match with a prize table should be using timers with the review working - we've all had the odd timer pick up a chamber closing or a bump on a gun or prop. Jeremy and Joe are both top shooters, they both deserve their wins. I'm using both of them getting on the clock coaching as examples of how coaching happens regardless, it wasnt punished here, it isn't often (ever, in my experience) punished at other major matches for multiple reasons, and I don't think we should pretend to punish it. We live in a world of Bluetooth phone connected sound amplified hearing protection. I can hear people behind me talk when they think I missed a target, and I usually wear traditional earplugs. Coaching is happening, if the match is not going to enforce the rule then why not approach the question from a new mindset? Maybe a coaching division? Maybe an extra attaboy for the top "non coached" shooter? A raffle ticket to the shooter on every stage that an RO certified was shot without coaching? Just ideas. The sport is in decline, we basically can't lose any more shooters. Which means we got nowhere to go but up! 😃
An idea for "COACHING": The Gas Gun series is adding a "SKILLS" division. That division allows coaching for the shooter (no coaching in other divisions). Might be something to consider.
Unless your game has a very strong tradition, understanding, and fully explained rules around coaching (Ex. Uspsa) I think it's dumb to kinda-but-not-really outlaw it. A division where it is allowed is one solution. Regardless of the rule, a rule should be enforced, though, and this rule was not being fairly enforced. Which is kinda the worst case scenario.
Looks like fun, BUT poor admin and comms really turns me off to a major match. As an MD, if you set up a communication conduit, it must be monitored and responded to. A match DQ is there to 1) punish unsafe behavior 2) avoid an injury or death. Any match DQ should not be allowed to continue. A lesser infraction could be given a stage DQ.
People allowed to shoot for no score after a Match DQ is odd, but it was offered to one sponsored shooter (who had an equipment related ND) and some shooters from A Girl and A Gun. I presume it was offered to all the people who DQ'd.
@@mygoodnamewastaken9837 the one that was allowed to continue from AGAAG was from a stage DQ from shooting a car door. It was just the Stage DQ, so not sure about the others. Ultimately, that is up to the sole discretion of the Match Director...and I've seen that discretion in multiple matches in multiple areas.
I can directly address the situations that happened on stage 1. The timer's review function was not working properly. The last 3 shots prior to the final shot were not being stored. We looked at Jeremy's video and his videographer cut the video off before you could hear me state the time, and before he could view the timer. The timer was bumped from his shotgun when I was trying to assist him in the clearing and making the range safe. We watched the video to try and establish a time, but because we could not verify, he was awarded a reshoot. I ran a substitute timer back to back with the stage timer to verify accuracy for 4 more shooters. It worked as it should...just would not show the previous shots just prior to the last shot. The coaching came from another competitor that yelled "left" when Jeremy asked a question of himself. She immediately realized her mistake. Technically, coaching isn't even mentioned in the rule book, but as a general rule, I only know of 1 major multigun match were coaching is accepted and that's the Vortex match in Texas. For some reason, there were a number of people that chose that match as their first match. Some didn't even have their own equipment. I'd strongly recommend that new shooters attend a local match before attending something that has a prize table. There were a few concerns on stage 1 around the 180 and I tried to make every squad aware of that during the walk through. After the buzzer, sometimes the brain scrambles. I think they added the Ladies division late to help separate the prize table. It was less division based, although open would normally have a benefit. They are working on following something similar to what Aaron Hayes has started for the Magpul match and it will be a % based approach for whatever the lady chooses to shoot. Based on my experience, it was the best prize table by far for the amount of shooters that I have seen in a long time. They'll be back next year and it will be even better.
@@shooterray8160 Hey, Ray! I thought you did a really good job of ROing stage 1. The timer thing is an equipment issue, not anything wrong that you did. I do think that a match with a prize table should be using timers with the review working - we've all had the odd timer pick up a chamber closing or a bump on a gun or prop.
Jeremy and Joe are both top shooters, they both deserve their wins. I'm using both of them getting on the clock coaching as examples of how coaching happens regardless, it wasnt punished here, it isn't often (ever, in my experience) punished at other major matches for multiple reasons, and I don't think we should pretend to punish it. We live in a world of Bluetooth phone connected sound amplified hearing protection. I can hear people behind me talk when they think I missed a target, and I usually wear traditional earplugs. Coaching is happening, if the match is not going to enforce the rule then why not approach the question from a new mindset? Maybe a coaching division? Maybe an extra attaboy for the top "non coached" shooter? A raffle ticket to the shooter on every stage that an RO certified was shot without coaching? Just ideas.
The sport is in decline, we basically can't lose any more shooters. Which means we got nowhere to go but up! 😃
An idea for "COACHING": The Gas Gun series is adding a "SKILLS" division. That division allows coaching for the shooter (no coaching in other divisions). Might be something to consider.
Unless your game has a very strong tradition, understanding, and fully explained rules around coaching (Ex. Uspsa) I think it's dumb to kinda-but-not-really outlaw it. A division where it is allowed is one solution. Regardless of the rule, a rule should be enforced, though, and this rule was not being fairly enforced. Which is kinda the worst case scenario.
Looks like fun, BUT poor admin and comms really turns me off to a major match. As an MD, if you set up a communication conduit, it must be monitored and responded to. A match DQ is there to 1) punish unsafe behavior 2) avoid an injury or death. Any match DQ should not be allowed to continue. A lesser infraction could be given a stage DQ.
People allowed to shoot for no score after a Match DQ is odd, but it was offered to one sponsored shooter (who had an equipment related ND) and some shooters from A Girl and A Gun. I presume it was offered to all the people who DQ'd.
@@mygoodnamewastaken9837 the one that was allowed to continue from AGAAG was from a stage DQ from shooting a car door. It was just the Stage DQ, so not sure about the others. Ultimately, that is up to the sole discretion of the Match Director...and I've seen that discretion in multiple matches in multiple areas.