Haha thank you, you're a great commentator. I just envy your patience of writing such nice things about kelly. You and carshe are our vanguard. I just shoot canons on the background with my videos. :P
Exactly, thank you for proving my point. She is relying more on resonance these days, rather than attempting to carry too much weight into her middle/upper register and making it sound more voluminous. What she was doing before was hurting her voice. That's why her voice was always giving out. Now she's very consistent because she's staying true to the natural color and SIZE of her voice, in choosing RESONANCE over LOUDNESS. Her voice wasn't meant for extremely voluminous passages.
When Carrie does The Sound of Music in November, you will hear what the natural color of her voice sounds like, since the ROLE is that of a soprano, so she won't be trying to manipulate her vocal tract to sound more like a mezzo. & I want you to think back to this conversation when you realize it.
In terms of squarely nailing the pitch most of the time, and not CRACKING. It shows that she has a natural aptitude in that region of her voice, despite using a mechanism that would otherwise cause her to CHOKE on the note, as Christina (a lyric mezzo) would have.
She always used more head on her top belts, it's just that she's lightening up the tone more now instead of trying to carry all that weight up there. She's using less THROAT to generate volume and instead using more RESONANCE.
Uhhh, she's a LIGHT-VOICED lyric soprano. There are some lyric sothat also have more dramatic tendencies (like Carrie), and they are termed lirico-SPINTO sopranos. Kelly's voice is super light by its natural color. Nicole, Vanessa , and ESPECIALLY Aretha, all have more weight to their voices NATURALLY, that's why their head dominant mixes sound "louder." When we speak of "weight" in that context, we're talking more upon the lines of VOLUME. Kelly's head-dominant mix is lighter, unless PUSHED
It's not just about touching the note. Carrie was able to belt the F# with a reasonable amount of volume AND apply vibrato to it. F# and above for Christina was practically NON-EXISTENT. They sounded like painful, stifled yelps that were about a millisecond in duration.
Weight can also indicate heft. I'm speaking from the standpoint of heft AND volume together. Instead of going by the resonance of which their voices are capable, they attempt to project with a level of volume that is UNNATURAL to the size of their vocal tract, which goes hand in hand with heft, as stretching the vocal tract will also provide a false sense of "weight" that isn't naturally there. That is where the struggle comes in.
Ask Chimier and Primohomme. Carrie is another classic example of a lyric soprano by voice color. It doesn't matter how much she over stretches the vocal tract to make her voice sound darker and heavier than it naturally is, it's an AFFECTATION. That's why she is so throaty and lacks resonance. A REAL mezzo would not only have the volume, but they'd have a degree of resonance to boot. Carrie is all THROAT and pushed volume. That's why she doesn't belt past F#5.
You don't understand what I'm saying. She used to attempt to carry too much WEIGHT (i.e.. volume) into her belts, for what was appropriate to her voice's NATURAL COLOR. Her voice is light. Lyric voices are lighter by nature. They weren't meant for huge voluminous passages (although lyric spintos have that capability) and when they attempt to PUSH their voices to do so, it sounds more labored and shouty (LOUD and STACCATOED), which is why you thought Kelly was chest-dominant.
You're not understanding me. It was ALWAYS head dominant, or at LEAST balanced. She has a LIGHT lyric voice, there's no way that she'd be able to carry a dominant chest tone up there. What made you believe it was chest-dominant was the WEIGHT that she tried to carry up there, making it "louder" and more pushed sounding. But it was never chest-dominant. The difference now is that she's using more RESONANCE instead of pushing for VOLUME. That's why the overall sound is more VIBRANT, but LIGHTER.
TTWLI? Are you kidding? She sounded very pushed in that performance, and you could hear the strain. The one G#5 at the end "STRONGER than your pride" was better, but still not chest-dominant by any means. On that particular one, she lightened up the tone a bit. But everything else was too heavy for her, which was why she sounded hoarse and tense. She has better form than Carrie and mixes better, which is why she can still tackle those notes.
Celine has a much better technique. But the whole point was that a mezzo soprano with Carrie's technique would NOT be able to belt the F# like that, they would either crack, or it would be EXTREMELY tight and thin-sounding. As a soprano, Carrie has the ability to belt that note naturally, even though she's going about doing it in an improper fashion. Celine was just an example since she's a lyric mezzo with a better technique. & I was referring to the F# in Alone, which is a FAIL for her.
I don't count studio vocals, because we all know that miracles tend to happen in a studio setting. ESPECIALLY with Christina. I have a feeling that was the case, because even the technique on that G5 seemed pretty much on point. Yet live, she could barely ever even produce an E5 with technique that good.
Lol, well not using your throat is one of the main conditions that need to be present in the voice mechanism in order for true resonance to be produced. So saying "using less throat instead of using more resonance" kinda wouldn't make any sense.
Wtf? Who said that she wasn't using more resonance? I said that she IS using more resonance. I said that from the very beginning. I don't understand what you read....
That's the common misconception about Carrie. Her vocal idol was Martina McBride, who is a lyric mezzo. Carrie tried to change the natural color of her voice to SOUND like Martina. But you can hear the clear difference in their voices. Carrie's natural voice color is that of a lyric soprano. Don't let the weight that she attempts to carry into her belting fool you. It isn't natural. She can get away with it most times, but it's unnatural, and she can only do it to a point.
What Christina did on G5 and G#5, Carrie could just as "easily" do with G#5 and A5. They are completely stifled and SWALLOWED sounding yelps, that not only lack resonance, but don't even have volume. They're essentially squeaks. Those don't even COUNT as belts, I'm sorry.
Uhh, the first G#5 that she belted in the performance had a raspy, PUSHED quality (and no, it wasn't a conscious decision, so don't go there), as did the final one right before the sustained F, ("the TROUUUUUBLE with love"). Her voice was without question very tired at the end of that performance. Why? Because she was pulling too much weight on the majority of those notes.
Also, if she wasn't a soprano, there'd be NO way that she'd be able to belt those F#s with the general level of accuracy that she does, in spite of the questionable method that she uses to produce the sound. Celine is a lyric mezzo with a considerably better technique than Carrie (Celine's still isn't good), and she can't even belt the F# like that.
Carrie's situation is worse than Kelly's was, because not only does she completely lack any sort of mixing technique, but she tries to change the color of her voice by over stretching her vocal tract in an attempt to sound more like a mezzo soprano. She uses WAY too much chest. She's a lyric soprano by color as well, but she's not as light as Kelly. Still, she carries too much weight on her belts as well, and that's why it sounds more and more pushed the higher she goes. There's no resonance.
It doesn't matter what you think. Carrie is a lyric SOPRANO. It's a fact. Ask the likes of Chimier and primohomme, who both know a lot more on this subject area than you and I do put together. Carrie has the voice COLOR of a soprano. Once again, she is FOOLING you by over stretching her vocal tract to make her voice more closely resemble that of a mezzo. But it often gets overly reedy and THROATY, indicating that it isn't natural to her. She's a lyric soprano by voice color. TRUST me.
Ugh. You view things in such black and white terms. Just because she's a light lyric doesn't negate the fact that there could be even LIGHTER lyrics. Besides, Ariana has more of a piccolo voice anyway.
![Kelly Clarkson's Best Belted G#5s Live 2003 - 2011 [HD]](/img/1.gif)
Freaking powerful G5, holy shit that was awesome!
It was amazing live.
very very nice
Haha thank you, you're a great commentator. I just envy your patience of writing such nice things about kelly. You and carshe are our vanguard. I just shoot canons on the background with my videos. :P
Exactly, thank you for proving my point. She is relying more on resonance these days, rather than attempting to carry too much weight into her middle/upper register and making it sound more voluminous. What she was doing before was hurting her voice. That's why her voice was always giving out. Now she's very consistent because she's staying true to the natural color and SIZE of her voice, in choosing RESONANCE over LOUDNESS. Her voice wasn't meant for extremely voluminous passages.
When Carrie does The Sound of Music in November, you will hear what the natural color of her voice sounds like, since the ROLE is that of a soprano, so she won't be trying to manipulate her vocal tract to sound more like a mezzo. & I want you to think back to this conversation when you realize it.
OHMYGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!
Gracias, se escucha bastante mejor, no se como me has respondido en español pero vale xD
In terms of squarely nailing the pitch most of the time, and not CRACKING. It shows that she has a natural aptitude in that region of her voice, despite using a mechanism that would otherwise cause her to CHOKE on the note, as Christina (a lyric mezzo) would have.
:O ok i cant hear very well but that took me by suprise! I hope some better audio surfaces!
She always used more head on her top belts, it's just that she's lightening up the tone more now instead of trying to carry all that weight up there. She's using less THROAT to generate volume and instead using more RESONANCE.
It sounds like whistle G6's
G5's :)
Well, I'm not the only one who thought it :P
Alex is right, they're G5's but considering that she hasn't hit G5's like that in a while this is AMAZING
WHAT PERFORMANCE AND WHAT SONG?
Uhhh, she's a LIGHT-VOICED lyric soprano. There are some lyric sothat also have more dramatic tendencies (like Carrie), and they are termed lirico-SPINTO sopranos. Kelly's voice is super light by its natural color.
Nicole, Vanessa , and ESPECIALLY Aretha, all have more weight to their voices NATURALLY, that's why their head dominant mixes sound "louder." When we speak of "weight" in that context, we're talking more upon the lines of VOLUME. Kelly's head-dominant mix is lighter, unless PUSHED
G5, G#5... whatever the note is... Still is a pretty high up belt. Tbh all I can think of is DAMN!!!!!! DID YOU HEAR THAT SHIT?!?!??! DAAAAMMMMNN!!
Yeah amazing but these are G5s! :)
NO WONDER Y SHE KEEPS WINING GRAMMYs FOR THE VOCAL CATEGORIES !!!
It was a neutral larynx?
It's not just about touching the note. Carrie was able to belt the F# with a reasonable amount of volume AND apply vibrato to it. F# and above for Christina was practically NON-EXISTENT. They sounded like painful, stifled yelps that were about a millisecond in duration.
Weight can also indicate heft. I'm speaking from the standpoint of heft AND volume together. Instead of going by the resonance of which their voices are capable, they attempt to project with a level of volume that is UNNATURAL to the size of their vocal tract, which goes hand in hand with heft, as stretching the vocal tract will also provide a false sense of "weight" that isn't naturally there. That is where the struggle comes in.
Ask Chimier and Primohomme. Carrie is another classic example of a lyric soprano by voice color. It doesn't matter how much she over stretches the vocal tract to make her voice sound darker and heavier than it naturally is, it's an AFFECTATION. That's why she is so throaty and lacks resonance. A REAL mezzo would not only have the volume, but they'd have a degree of resonance to boot. Carrie is all THROAT and pushed volume. That's why she doesn't belt past F#5.
You don't understand what I'm saying. She used to attempt to carry too much WEIGHT (i.e.. volume) into her belts, for what was appropriate to her voice's NATURAL COLOR. Her voice is light. Lyric voices are lighter by nature. They weren't meant for huge voluminous passages (although lyric spintos have that capability) and when they attempt to PUSH their voices to do so, it sounds more labored and shouty (LOUD and STACCATOED), which is why you thought Kelly was chest-dominant.
You're not understanding me. It was ALWAYS head dominant, or at LEAST balanced. She has a LIGHT lyric voice, there's no way that she'd be able to carry a dominant chest tone up there. What made you believe it was chest-dominant was the WEIGHT that she tried to carry up there, making it "louder" and more pushed sounding. But it was never chest-dominant. The difference now is that she's using more RESONANCE instead of pushing for VOLUME. That's why the overall sound is more VIBRANT, but LIGHTER.
TTWLI? Are you kidding? She sounded very pushed in that performance, and you could hear the strain. The one G#5 at the end "STRONGER than your pride" was better, but still not chest-dominant by any means. On that particular one, she lightened up the tone a bit. But everything else was too heavy for her, which was why she sounded hoarse and tense. She has better form than Carrie and mixes better, which is why she can still tackle those notes.
Celine has a much better technique. But the whole point was that a mezzo soprano with Carrie's technique would NOT be able to belt the F# like that, they would either crack, or it would be EXTREMELY tight and thin-sounding. As a soprano, Carrie has the ability to belt that note naturally, even though she's going about doing it in an improper fashion.
Celine was just an example since she's a lyric mezzo with a better technique. & I was referring to the F# in Alone, which is a FAIL for her.
That's a G5 not a G#5. But still impressive!
I don't count studio vocals, because we all know that miracles tend to happen in a studio setting. ESPECIALLY with Christina. I have a feeling that was the case, because even the technique on that G5 seemed pretty much on point. Yet live, she could barely ever even produce an E5 with technique that good.
Lol, well not using your throat is one of the main conditions that need to be present in the voice mechanism in order for true resonance to be produced. So saying "using less throat instead of using more resonance" kinda wouldn't make any sense.
Wtf? Who said that she wasn't using more resonance? I said that she IS using more resonance. I said that from the very beginning. I don't understand what you read....
That's the common misconception about Carrie. Her vocal idol was Martina McBride, who is a lyric mezzo. Carrie tried to change the natural color of her voice to SOUND like Martina. But you can hear the clear difference in their voices. Carrie's natural voice color is that of a lyric soprano. Don't let the weight that she attempts to carry into her belting fool you. It isn't natural. She can get away with it most times, but it's unnatural, and she can only do it to a point.
What Christina did on G5 and G#5, Carrie could just as "easily" do with G#5 and A5. They are completely stifled and SWALLOWED sounding yelps, that not only lack resonance, but don't even have volume. They're essentially squeaks. Those don't even COUNT as belts, I'm sorry.
No, son G5's, en éste video se escucha mejor /watch?v=0CkR3B3B0tc
I can't hear it
Uhh, the first G#5 that she belted in the performance had a raspy, PUSHED quality (and no, it wasn't a conscious decision, so don't go there), as did the final one right before the sustained F, ("the TROUUUUUBLE with love"). Her voice was without question very tired at the end of that performance. Why? Because she was pulling too much weight on the majority of those notes.
nope they are G5s but killer ones
Also, if she wasn't a soprano, there'd be NO way that she'd be able to belt those F#s with the general level of accuracy that she does, in spite of the questionable method that she uses to produce the sound. Celine is a lyric mezzo with a considerably better technique than Carrie (Celine's still isn't good), and she can't even belt the F# like that.
She's not chest dominant lol.
Carrie's situation is worse than Kelly's was, because not only does she completely lack any sort of mixing technique, but she tries to change the color of her voice by over stretching her vocal tract in an attempt to sound more like a mezzo soprano. She uses WAY too much chest. She's a lyric soprano by color as well, but she's not as light as Kelly. Still, she carries too much weight on her belts as well, and that's why it sounds more and more pushed the higher she goes. There's no resonance.
It doesn't matter what you think. Carrie is a lyric SOPRANO. It's a fact. Ask the likes of Chimier and primohomme, who both know a lot more on this subject area than you and I do put together. Carrie has the voice COLOR of a soprano. Once again, she is FOOLING you by over stretching her vocal tract to make her voice more closely resemble that of a mezzo. But it often gets overly reedy and THROATY, indicating that it isn't natural to her. She's a lyric soprano by voice color. TRUST me.
Ugh. You view things in such black and white terms. Just because she's a light lyric doesn't negate the fact that there could be even LIGHTER lyrics. Besides, Ariana has more of a piccolo voice anyway.
Wow, it doesn't even sound human. LOL.